the-water-cooler

[tidal bronze]

Oops that was 20 miles over the limit, hopefully Mr Australia misses that picture. 😬

[prisma briar]

for shame

Speed limits where I am are largely only followed if it's snowing

Then people do the exact limit

[tidal bronze]

Sadly we are not very good people here in California. At least not me.

[static schooner]

not your fault, you weren't driving

[tidal bronze]

Thank you. That's what I always say. 😀

The "driver" is much more considerate and careful when overtaking and pisses off less people. So I let the best person do the job.

[solar zealot]

"why is my ha box so loud today"
oh its burning

of course its some docker being stuck .-.

[prisma briar]

That's an awfully high temp for a not that high load

[forest edge]

been around 30F the last couple of days. feels nice and warm lol

[candid wraith]

I need to hire someone with extensive Zwave knowledge to troubleshoot my system. Are there any companies out there that do that?

[tidal bronze]

Ah huh

[tidal bronze]

Do you have extensive issues?

[candid wraith]

Random dead nodes, delays in commands, think MQTT is not setup properly either

[tidal bronze]

Zwave and MQTT would be the 2 most reliable networks in any of my installs. Might be something simple. Ask around you might get some dedicated help.

[candid wraith]

For some reason I have duplicates and the MQTT ones are named weird and don’t work.

60+ Zwave devices

[blazing musk]

Why are you running both direct and through MQTT?

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-gif-27192372

[iron granite]

The more the merrier

[clever mortar]

https://swtrunkroads.scot/winter-service/meet-our-gritter-fleet/

[clear ferry]

LOL

Cooooooooldfiiiiiiiinger

On her majesty's slippery surface

these are hilarious

Sir David Atternbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[candid wraith]

Because apparently I don’t know what I’m doing. How do I fix it?

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/foreign-stance-racoon-racoon-blanket-racoon-blanket-cute-racoon-blanket-hide-gif-22051812

[candid wraith]

😂🤣

[clever mortar]

As explained in the channel topic you don't get help here 😉

#zwave-archived can help you though

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-swim-gif-18499251

[primal laurel]

5 fingers this time, impressive

raccoon hands are wrong though, they have 5 fingers too

[prisma briar]

Woo, got some shelves hung.

[glacial knot]

for which crime?

[solar zealot]

this will fit so much printing gear

[iron granite]

A high availability Home Assistant cluster

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/triggered-ninjaturtle-turtle-angry-gif-21556809

[iron granite]

Please be more precise. Device trigger, event trigger, state trigger, numeric state trigger,...

[glacial knot]

edge or level triggered?

[gleaming crater]

dead man trigger(ed)?

[gleaming crater]

You must be in a dry climate, around here my rolls would turn to soggy mush if I kept them out like that

[prisma briar]

Yea, it's really dry here basically all the time

I have years old rolls that print fine

[gleaming crater]

My house average humidity is like 50%

[glacial knot]

my office is currently at 37%

[gleaming crater]

You leave a roll of PETG out and it's unprintable lol

[prisma briar]

The only humidity sensor I have is in a bathroom to trigger an exhaust fan when the shower is used, it's reading 25.2% right now

[gleaming crater]

Living in a wet climate is good for many things, but not for printing lol

I need a better system, I'm never on top of rotating my desiccant enough

[prisma briar]

Hard to have humidity when it's 13F outside

[gleaming crater]

Terrible

It's 40F and raining here

[prisma briar]

The spikes are people taking showers

[gleaming crater]

My humidity went below 50 when it was freezing outside lol

[prisma briar]

I have humidifiers but I don't run them unless I start getting irritated from the dry

[gleaming crater]

Around here AC is half used just to dehumidify lol

[prisma briar]

It's crazy how much water those things pull from the air

Even on really dry days when I have my A/C on there's a regular drip

On humid days it can be a straight up stream of water

[gleaming crater]

I just know the grass grows really well near the drip line of my heat pump lol

[prisma briar]

Mine drips on a rock and I get a little mossy patch there in summer

[static schooner]

my downstairs AC drains into the washing machine drain and it often freaks me out to hear the water stream

makes me think that something is leaking

[prisma briar]

All of mine just drain onto the ground outside

Wall mount minisplit units

[gleaming crater]

I have a sump pump that spits it back outside from the basement furnace

I kind wish I had more small units

Mine ran for like 3 hours the other morning when it was cold

[gleaming crater]

I asked GPT for an existential meme about surviving in a capitalistic system and got this absurdity in response

The human legs are killing me lol

[iron granite]

A capitalAst hamsSter wheel

[gleaming crater]

The wording is insane as expected lol

[iron granite]

Better than expected for an AI image

[gleaming crater]

A regen got it mostly correct, but way more depressing

[glacial knot]

I love it

[glacial knot]

Very nice base to do some touchups on

[gleaming crater]

Yeah, some of these would be perfect with fixed text

[primal laurel]

Tell it to draw megadesk

[gleaming crater]

wut lol

[primal laurel]

Hopefully it knows what it is

[gleaming crater]

Looool

[glacial knot]

yea, people creating virtual goods will have to get used to use AI as a tool
I just hope it doesn't make learning way worse

^includes codes and other techy assets

[gleaming crater]

Sorry it's got no clue lol

[primal laurel]

Nice

Nasa control center

[gleaming crater]

As long as someone needs to pull the levers some of us will still have jobs lol

[glacial knot]

I'm in the field of fixing exactly that 😂

[gleaming crater]

I think in 50 years people will look at certain roles as insane you would ever do them by hand

Like no we have a contract loom right here, don't weave it by hand

[glacial knot]

colleague built a 10k smart socket earlier today 😄
Using a extender with physical switch
And a 10k€ robot

[gleaming crater]

Lol maybe a little overdone

[glacial knot]

computers^^

[glacial knot]

We have easy ways to remote onto those robots
We don't have a good way to integrate HA with corp security requirements^^

[gleaming crater]

Just put it in a box and only let out webhooks lol

[static schooner]

It just punted on the eternal "how do four-legged creatures wear pants?" question

or maybe settled it 🙂

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[gleaming crater]

Oh dear god

[orchid rose]

That's pretty hot. Not the shelves but the printer setup. Do you print something useful with them or just parts for the printers like most people?

[glacial knot]

define useful 😂

[prisma briar]

Most of my prints are functional prints

I hardly print things for my printers though

I have a Bambu, not a ton to print for it

[orchid rose]

Fixed my headphones today by printing a spare part. Probably the first time ever it felt useful

[orchid rose]

What kind of stuff do you usually print?

[orchid rose]

Oh very nice

[prisma briar]

I printed like 30 hooks in total for my controllers

[orchid rose]

Lots of post-process work though

[prisma briar]

I've got headphone stands, I printed a mount for my headphone amp/dac to hold it under my desk

None of those had any post processing

That's just how they come off the Bambu

Well, the Majora's Mask one was in multiple parts and needed glued

[orchid rose]

damn okay then. The multi-filament stuff is very impressive

I've tried to swap between two to try it out and it works on an Ender 3 clone, but it's just not worth the hassle

[prisma briar]

I added a second toolhead to my ender 3

[glacial knot]

reminds me, I still have a lamp project I wanted to do...

[prisma briar]

Originally had a 4->1 mixing nozzle on the second toolhead but it sucked so I swapped it with the stock ender hotend

Support material is great. If you have dual gantries you can print your support material out of PETG on one and the model out of PLA on another and the PETG and PLA separate really easily where they meet.

Or there's dissolvable PVA support material

[gleaming crater]

I find that the organic supports in prusaslicer work great and detach super ez

Even in single material

[prisma briar]

Even the best single material interface isn't as good as proper support material. It can print with zero gap between the support material and the model material so no droops, no weird bottom surface.

[gleaming crater]

we have a raise3d pro3 at work (not my choice) but it can do amazingly clean large overhangs

It's got a clever dual head with DD extruders tho

[prisma briar]

I have a direct drive and a bowden on mine

And dual z axis to drive it

The Bambu prints way better than the Ender does though so I mostly only use the Ender when my Bambu is already busy

[gleaming crater]

dual z is a requirement lol, quality is trash on single drive gantries

Yeah my ender is barely an ender still it's had so many upgrades

[prisma briar]

Auto gantry leveling with independent dual z looks like magic the first time you see it

[gleaming crater]

Yeah I had to build my firmware to add that support

[prisma briar]

I went with Klipper

[gleaming crater]

But just adding a finer pitch z screw means it never drifts

I've been meaning to try kilipper but never gotten around to it

[prisma briar]

I had Klipper running three SKR Mini E3 V3's with 10 motors and two hotends/gantries

[gleaming crater]

I'm reluctant to touch my ender tho

It really is for me just hit print and forget

The only time I get a failure is trying to minimize supports too much lol

[prisma briar]

My Z probe isn't as reliable as I'd like so I frequently have to adjust the z offset up or down .1mm or so but other than that mine is set and forget

For the Bambu I frequently don't even check on a print after hitting start

Only came back to a plate of spaghetti once

[gleaming crater]

Yeah it's nice having a reliable machine

Most of the ender problems come from gantry droop and hitting the print

Or just the crap stock cooling fan only blowing from one side lol

[prisma briar]

I had a couple broken projectors, I took some of the high airflow blowers meant to cool the bulbs and put them on my ender 3

If I don't have a sock on the hotend the fan wins and it goes into thermal overrun protection

[gleaming crater]

I mean it is possible to over-cool haha

[prisma briar]

Yea I hooked them to a PWM output so I could control it and generally ran it around 20%

I had it blow over a print once, lol

[gleaming crater]

You're going for it to reduce below the glass temp as quickly as possible, but still be hot enough to bond with the layer below

[prisma briar]

The print had a little indent in it, fan started blowing in it after it printed and it knocked over

[gleaming crater]

How soon till we can calibrate nozzle temp and fan speeds with a thermal scope camera?

[prisma briar]

:o I have a thermal camera I could do that with

[gleaming crater]

Have it run the filament without part cooling until it's flowing at the ideal glass temp for the material

Then tune the fan speed till it falls back below that temp

[prisma briar]

Honestly my Bambu does 90% of my printing anymore

[gleaming crater]

It seems to be the one everyones hot for now

[prisma briar]

I can get the Ender to almost match the Bambu in quality but nowhere close in speed

[gleaming crater]

Rigidity and tolerances cost money lol

[prisma briar]

And when I speed up the Bambu to the point the quality is lowered to what the Ender can do the Bambu is absurdly fast

[orchid rose]

Has anyone looked into input shaping on an ender 3 or similar? It seems like that's the main trick Bambu has nailed and it should be pretty easy to replicate

[prisma briar]

Yea, My Bambu setup is like $1200

I have input shaping on my Ender 3

[gleaming crater]

Yeah it's called klipper lol

[prisma briar]

It helps a lot but isn't a magic bullet

[gleaming crater]

You still need the sensor to measure it

[prisma briar]

Yea, I have the adxl sensor

[orchid rose]

The sensors are dirt cheap though

How are the results?

[prisma briar]

It definitely improved ringing a lot

Made pressure advance issues a lot more obvious though

[gleaming crater]

You pretty much have to test each filament

unless it's all from the same lot

[prisma briar]

I find I generally have to test brand/color combos but in my experience buying the same color from the same brand has been consistent

[gleaming crater]

Any good brand should have a consistent formula

Some cheaper ones can be a little more variable lol

I forget which brand clearly changed suppliers or something because the filament totally changed

But I learned my lesson with cheap filament after having rolls tangle on me lol

[prisma briar]

I was buying hatchbox but had three rolls from them tangle on me in a month

[gleaming crater]

Tho a rewind spool seems to help a lot with that

[prisma briar]

I've got a subscription to Bambu's filament program that came with my printer and can get refill spools for basic PLA for $16 from them

So I've been using that

but idk if I'm going to renew when my membership expires

$16 isn't that great of a price

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze should go to chicago and experince "frost quakes". apparently that city is depserate for attention to highlight something like that lol https://youtu.be/X9nUvQq-vVk?si=ZQ8rDJmnXuQKXDfe

[prisma briar]

I do like refill spools instead of wasting a ton of plastic on a spool for each roll

[orchid rose]

16 bucks for how much?

[prisma briar]

1kg

Nothing amazing but it's been consistent quality

[gleaming crater]

anything cheaper is probably shite lol

[orchid rose]

Sounds more than reasonable

The amazon basic etc is like 25€/kg for the most part here

[prisma briar]

idk how much the membership costs though

Normally they charge $25 for a refill

[gleaming crater]

20 bux is about my limit

maybe 25 for some wood pla

[prisma briar]

My mom got me a bunch of glow in the dark and wood filament for christmas

[gleaming crater]

Hope you're not printing with brass nozzles lol

Both of those will destroy a brass nozzle

I'm a fan of nickel plated, nothing sticks to them

Wood filament is my favorite tho, you can sand and stain it

[prisma briar]

I have stainless and hardened steel nozzles

[gleaming crater]

Bonus points for hitting the depths with a base primer coat

[orchid rose]

Is this a just a tax thing or where are you ordering from?

[gleaming crater]

Mostly amazon

But in seattle amazon has like 50 warehouses in our back yard

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08QN5FQX7/ has been my recent prints

[solar zealot]

me who exclusively buys orange petg because the color makes a difference in how well it behaves for whatever reason

[gleaming crater]

petg can be a fickle bitch

There is a lot of good PLA+ that has stronger print strength but less flex like PETG too

[solar zealot]

sadly they arent that uv resistant

[gleaming crater]

Oh for sure

I thought about finally trying ASA

I've got all the setup that could do it anyways

[prisma briar]

I've got some PC I've been using with my Bambu

I haven't noticed any amazing strength increases between PC and PETG though, but the PC looks nicer imo

My printer chamber isn't heated/doesn't get hot enough to print PC how it should be printed though

Ends up with subpar layer adhesion

[gleaming crater]

You can kinda fake that by just letting the bed heat for a couple hours

So the whole machine warms up

[prisma briar]

I was thinking of building something like a 250w space heater to put in there

If I ever have the need

[gleaming crater]

What about just doing a PTC heater

[prisma briar]

I'd want to be able to regulate it

[gleaming crater]

Those are self regulating tho

[prisma briar]

They regulate the wire temperature

I'd rather the environmental temperature be regulated

And if the coil only gets as hot as I want the chamber to be it'll take hours to warm up

I'll probably go with an esp32 to control a relay going to a heating coil, have one core on it dedicated to controlling the heater and the other core to handle wifi to control the heater

I wonder if esphome can do that

Probably not, and it'd be easy enough with esp-idf

[solar zealot]

that sounds like a strangely complex solution compared to printing at higher temperatures

[prisma briar]

Printing at a higher temperature would ruin print quality, some filaments just want heated chambers.

That and I think PC about maxes out my hotend and heatbed anyways

[solar zealot]

thats only what the software devs want you to believe

[prisma briar]

Some people wrap their bambus in insulation to get the chamber hotter

And their new overpriced enterprise model does have a heated chamber

But it's also $2500

idk if I want the bed hotter

It's already really easy to burn yourself on when it's at max temp

It goes to 110C I think

[solar zealot]

but does it reach those temperatures

[prisma briar]

Yea, it'll hold 110C

If the door is closed

From what I've heard a small heater to hold the chamber around 70C increases PC print quality by a lot

[solar zealot]

for what ive seen on my ender its off by about 10* in total and also not very uniformly distributed. could be less of an issue with more expensive ones but i end up preheating for about half an hour after it supposedly reached whatever temp

[prisma briar]

The Bambu preheats for 10 or 15 minutes before printing

[clear ferry]

https://tcz.medium.com/how-i-turned-my-old-rotary-phone-into-a-virtual-assistant-24f35ca9884f

[prisma briar]

It preheats, gives it a minute, does a bed level, does a mesh level, then starts printing

I can turn off the leveling but I find it's a lot more reliable if I just run it before every print

[solar zealot]

could you manually extend those durations?

[prisma briar]

There's a gcode to 'dwell' that I think could act as a pause

[gleaming crater]

Yeah a long preheat “soak” will help

[prisma briar]

I could also just manually turn on the bed before I start printing if I wanted to use that to heat it

[solar zealot]

i could see you just using the bed set to max temperature for a while before starting to print to preheat the chamber

[prisma briar]

I wonder if the chamber will maintain temp if preheated like that

I'd at least have to turn off the exhaust fan on it, lol

[solar zealot]

i suppose their spec sheet is wrong

[prisma briar]

idk what that's about

I've measured 2kw peaks while heating but it generally hovers around 300-500w

[solar zealot]

110v users getting ripped off ;D

[prisma briar]

There'd be no reason to limit 110v to 350w, we get 1250w off of the lowest power standard outlet here

And it only pulled 2kw for a couple seconds which is fine

[solar zealot]

a sea racoon

[last cedar]

That u-turn though

[prisma briar]

There was definitely some looney tunes running in place there

[static schooner]

lol, my cats have done that when they encounter something unexpected on the table or bed they just jumped onto

[prisma briar]

Like a sea lion?

[last cedar]

Hahahaha

[static schooner]

Hey, what I keep on my bed is my business

[last cedar]

Help

There is a raccoon in my toilet

[solar zealot]

because "their average dryer" is rated for ~6kw

knowing that an oven from other regions commonly has a higher power draw than a dryer they likely use arc furnances in their kitchen

thats the joke

the funny

[young sigil]

Don't blame the little fellow for the about face. Those leopard seals play with their food: https://imgur.com/a/1RIPgzI (2010 @ Casey Antarctica).

[ocean oar]

This is what came to mind for me

[glacial knot]

well, yea. they often go to 500° or something stupid

[solar zealot]

F

not C

they hate real units

[ocean oar]

I mean that's normal. Top number on my oven dial is 250°C which is 482°F

[glacial knot]

thats the joke
the funny

[tidal bronze]

Looks a little cold

mwh? Who uses electrical cooking appliances?

[solar zealot]

people who dont appreciate gas stoves

and those that have steel to melt

[tidal bronze]

Luke warm people

[primal laurel]

I cook using induction

[solar zealot]

Black magic

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy

How painful that must be

[glacial knot]

with decent pans and pods, it's nice to use

the one thing I don't understand though, why is this layout a thing?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41BasSRbwNL._SX300_QL70_.jpg

knobs behind the hot surfaces they control?

[primal laurel]

Not at all

[primal laurel]

never seen that before. Ours is just one big slab of glass

[glacial knot]

I've only ever seen them in 'murican TV

[static schooner]

Mine controls are in a cluster toward the center-front and I wish they were on the front instead. It's a pain in the ass to clean around them

[glacial knot]

oh, physical buttons on top, not just sensor/touch buttons?

[static schooner]

physical dials. gas, though

[primal laurel]

mine has touch controls on the glass. So cleaning is easy

[static schooner]

I don't like that range control arrangement above either, especially when people invariably put spices containers on top that get hot as they age

it's pretty much the prototypical stovetop/oven range that you'll find in the US, thoguh

[tidal bronze]

Have you used NG?

[primal laurel]

natural gas?

[tidal bronze]

I am yet to see them behind

[glacial knot]

is there a huge difference between NG and propane stoves? 🤔

[primal laurel]

we have (or had, we closed it) the largest gas field in all of europe so, most people are used to cooking on NG. Like me, until I moved

[tidal bronze]

I have use them all. I will jump off a cliff if my daily driver is electric

[primal laurel]

it literally makes no difference

[tidal bronze]

Then you have not used a professional natural gas stove

[primal laurel]

heat is heat

[gleaming crater]

I can’t get a gas hookup where I’m at, ever

[tidal bronze]

Sounds like you don't cook much

[primal laurel]

you're american, what do you know about cooking

[gleaming crater]

Lol damn u went there

[primal laurel]

dont you guys order like 5 days per week

[glacial knot]

more than you if you think it make no difference 😂

[tidal bronze]

@primal laurel and you are?

[glacial knot]

oh no, quad will use his favorite misconception 😂

[tidal bronze]

I am waiting to here about hid culinary experience, let's see....

[primal laurel]

microwave noodles with ketchup is my special

[tidal bronze]

Right on. Heat is heat.

[primal laurel]

correct

[glacial knot]

though I prefer the more modern (fancy?) induction tops that do away with specific "burner" zones over gas
For my use case gas and induction are pretty close. So the convenience beats it.

Ceran or even older just can't keep up though

[tidal bronze]

If you are the Baseline yes correct

[primal laurel]

do you put a lot of gas in your food? Or how does that work

[glacial knot]

nah, I make gas out of my food (imagine a fart sound onomatopoeia here)

[static schooner]

it would have been easier and cheaper to install an induction stovetop when I did my remodel, and that's probably what I would do if I did it again

I already had a big enough circuit for it, and had to run a gas line

[primal laurel]

you probably want it on 3 phase though

[static schooner]

also, gas is super cheap here and electricity is...not

[gleaming crater]

Yeah I’m not too sad about gas when we have some of the cheapest power

[static schooner]

it was just a regular glass electric stovetop before, so I might have found the power source lacking

[gleaming crater]

Those suck lol

[static schooner]

yeah, I was reminded of that when I went to see my mom over the holidays

take too long to heat up, retain the heat too long

can't ever really tell what temp they're at

look the same hot and cold

they scratch

[glacial knot]

^^
But 3phase induction beats gas in raw power (for most installations)
And modern ones don't do stupid things like essentially pwm with second or cycle instead of cycles per second

[static schooner]

not a fan

it's clearly way more efficient

[primal laurel]

yeah it's crazy powerful, I think this one can do like 7kW

[solar zealot]

Did this really escalate:D

[tidal bronze]

That's still around 21000 BTU.

Yep very much powerful heat. 🤣

As long as that Instant Ramen is top-notch. More "power" to ya!

[primal laurel]

no it 'ignited'

[primal laurel]

cooking ramen on 7kW, done instantly!

beat that mr natural gas

[tidal bronze]

Good for you 👍

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/honey-boo-boo-mama-june-memorial-day-american-flag-kiss-gif-4134168

[tidal bronze]

Now I can picture what 7kw is like https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Liquefied-Stovetop-Integrated-Stainless/dp/B0CG5LD2XG

Yep can't beat that

[umbral cliff]

Are you lot arguing over the best surface for cooking?
Gas wins for asian wok cooking, induction otherwise is pretty comparable, just turn on and go

[primal laurel]

oh yeah for sure I wont cook on a wok

[tidal bronze]

But you said heat is heat? What's up with that?

[solar zealot]

i do like the gas ones because its more fun

like doing your steaks over coal than over a pan

[tidal bronze]

So your 7kw is not Wokkable?

[umbral cliff]

Yes but thats basically comparing a bbq to a frypan
they’re two separate things

Unless you just hold the steak over the flame with tongs lol

[solar zealot]

if i dont want to have fun i use a microwave
black magic but in a box so the neighbours dont notice

[solar zealot]

it depends on what you call a bbq i think

[primal laurel]

you cook on a wok?

I dont

[solar zealot]

if its just about doing meat slowly like pulled anything, an oven will do this just fine

[tidal bronze]

I must be able to use anything I want.

[solar zealot]

but its like, too easy

[primal laurel]

why?

[umbral cliff]

This is a bqq

*BBQ

[primal laurel]

electric oven

[tidal bronze]

Cast Iron and Gas can beat the grill in the right hands.

[solar zealot]

thats pretty much the same thing as a pan

at least the moment i touch one

it doesnt get significantly hotter from the cooking aspect of it

you get the nice wood smells and stuff

[ocean oar]

Barely. I know it's not a popular opinion but I really despise those Weber Qs.
A BBQ needs to be able to cook adequately with the lid up.
Those things basically force you to shut the lid and steam your meat because they don't get hot enough otherwise.

[umbral cliff]

Interesting, I’ve had the opposite experience, cooks fine with the lid up and gets hot enough

[solar zealot]

might depend on the burner sizes

but you close the lid for making meat

[tidal bronze]

All this "powerful 7kw" cooking made me hungry. Lemon garlic Branzino it is.

[solar zealot]

they look fishy ^^

[primal laurel]

oven?

[tidal bronze]

Yes, GAS oven lol

[primal laurel]

lol

never heard of a branzino though

[solar zealot]

google says its a sea bass

they have a good taste in music

[tidal bronze]

https://www.themediterraneandish.com/roasted-branzino-recipe/

[primal laurel]

ah okay, that's zeebaars here

[solar zealot]

🦓 s

[umbral cliff]

Why gas oven
They offer no benefit over electric

Just pain

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy here we go again.

No thank you. I have both. Got 2.5 Kitchens.

[umbral cliff]

You and your wife really don't like seeing each other

[tidal bronze]

Lol. I love food but some smells I don't like lingering in the house. So purpose built.

I use the electric oven - keep warm feature when guests are over that's about it.

[solar zealot]

a second house just to cook food?

[tidal bronze]

2 kitchens indoor and 1 outside.

[solar zealot]

madness!

[static schooner]

The fish kitchen and everything else?

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir.

or anything with szechuan peppers in the Wok lol

[primal laurel]

He has special heat

[tidal bronze]

It's California, always special. Come on now.

[primal laurel]

Doe normaal, dan doe je al gek genoeg

Or translated, act normal, then you're already crazy enough

[tidal bronze]

So where you from?

[prisma briar]

Another Amazon find

[iron granite]

Safety for Chilnren

[dawn moth]

"Gently for woman"

What If they like it hot and a dude wants it cold, ehehe

I think this marketing is brilliantly flawed.

Grandpa over there be thriving at "midly" ya know ahaha

They all say 38C 👀

[umbral cliff]

Gotta submit your age and gender to unlock 38+
Age 16-60
and male

So @clear ferry wouldn’t get it

[clear ferry]

I prefer around 42

[umbral cliff]

-42?

[clear ferry]

that isn't wrong either

[umbral cliff]

I can’t see you wanting anything above 0

[ocean oar]

Make it like a car with valet mode. Gotta swipe the NFC tag embedded in your hand to unlock the higher temperature

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/cold-swimming-gif-21067640

[ocean oar]

Also water rations for each member of the household

[dawn moth]

Dam, do they need cloud access too?

Full body analysis

[umbral cliff]

That’ll be gen 2
submit your licence or other ID to verify your details, pay a monthly fee, get ads whilst showering

[dawn moth]

Ahh just as it was meant to be

Can't live without those ads

I'm sure they'll have a marketing ID for very user too to track you cross ad networks

Very useful for suggestive marketing

And I would absolutely hope every open source integration that makes zero dollars on using their API will be sent legal threats correct 🤣😭

[iron granite]

[dawn moth]

Good sauce 🫠

So I've got a creepy amazon device from China that was recently removed from their page

There of them in fact

I've already gutted it, took less then a minute and I'm... semi surprised 🤭

They definitely be using off the shelf stuff but also making their own chips?

Check it out, wants some opinions on it

It's a mini doorbell uses 2.4ghz

[clear ferry]

Nice seeing people still take pictures with the old Kodak digital cameras from 1997

[iron granite]

Analog pictures digitalized with a handheld scanner

[dawn moth]

And know I don't trust it, when I have people gift me stuff like this I hack it and try to dig up documented or undocumented exploits.

Least that's what I've been doing since I experimented with this "bulb" cameras, used it traditionally for a month to gather the consumer experience and then attempted to hack it..

Was able to access the feed locally, and during travel was punching out over a clear tunnel with the clear text password "password1234" to some sun Corp in China for sending back to user via their app.

Someone documented it already.

So now I wanna do the same thing to this thing

[clear ferry]

Pictures taken under the covers with a Samsung S1 surely @iron granite

[dawn moth]

Samsung a 71 actually

Camera is damaged, need to replace it... ahaha

[dawn moth]

Does look like Kodak 😂

[clear ferry]

Welll the Kodak 1997 purple digital camera that could also be used as a webcam

It made better pictures if you shook it while taking a picture

[dawn moth]

Ahaha

[clear ferry]

That explains it, I had an a71 for 6 months, then I chucked it in the trash

[dawn moth]

I've had it since launch

Love the thing

Just had a bad go

With um dropping it in water

Then 6 months later had to change the charging port

But didn't have the right adhesive

So used alien tape melted

The heat and chemicals buggerd up the camera

Probably just the lens or cover

But definitely did it in

I've got plans to redo it

Gonna hold out till it's killed off..

Okay back to creepy cam

This gotta be the processor?

[clear ferry]

That's the wifi chip

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wiki/XradioTech/xradiotech-wiki/doc/XR872/XR872_Product_Brief.pdf

It might have more actually

Yeah, CPU and audio too

[ocean oar]

https://datasheet.lcsc.com/lcsc/2010291008_MACHINE-INTELLIGENCE-XR872AT_C879208.pdf

One 384MHz ARM core

Actually sorry, 240MHz in that "ET" variant

[dawn moth]

A little monster really packs a punch 🤣

"For what it is"

[ocean oar]

Looks like 640×480 @ 30fps is its limit for video streaming too

[dawn moth]

Least I know it's an off the shelf chip

I wonder if they implemented cryptography or bootloader lock

The chips set supports it supposedly

Some unused interfaces

[clear ferry]

Those are probably how you flash it at factory

[dawn moth]

Mic at the top, commonly seen in earbuds

And modular camera

[clear ferry]

I don't even

[dawn moth]

I just find it odd that alot of the design is using I guess modular parts?

[dawn moth]

Build a bridge

Dangerous little sitting nook ahaha

K conspiracy theory

What if the Chime is a key logger or remote code execution device 😅

Because why... why the usb a port

That's just... silly

It would have not cost much more to implement AC for wall outlets.

Since that's logically what most people would do

When an average user buys something and sees USB a... I think they imagine pluging it into their PC

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584

[dawn moth]

Which the Manual doesn't tell you what to do with it, as you would expect from a 9 dollar product

[ocean oar]

Ah, but that means you have to make different versions for different countries, and that does cost money. A USB one you can sell the same thing everywhere

[dawn moth]

That's actually a fair point

But you could also sell adapters

Which are just plastic and metal

As long as the device has the ability to handle up to 220v

[clear ferry]

240

You mean

[dawn moth]

Yep my bad

I wonder if the USB A port could be used to write firmware on it, probably not though.

[clear ferry]

-25c really drives the voltage down

[dawn moth]

Mine is sitting at 120v

Which is the standard here

[clear ferry]

Spot when we hit -30-35c

[ocean oar]

I'd be actually surprised if the chime has any kind of reprogrammable micro. I assume that coil antenna labelled "433" is how the two haves communicate, chime is probably dumb

[dawn moth]

Just a signal transferred over radio?

[ocean oar]

Wouldn't be surprised

[dawn moth]

Which results in sound being triggerd

Thing is rattling

[ocean oar]

Like an old-timey analogue garage door opener

[dawn moth]

Has a tin like speaker

[dawn moth]

Yea, that would make the most sense, gonna pop it open and see

[ocean oar]

I just don't see any other reason for it to have a coil antenna labelled "443" other than that

[dawn moth]

Ohh that's not the 2.4ghz antenna?

[ocean oar]

This probably is the 2.4G

The long trace and big ground plane cutout (as well as the close proximity of one end of it to the micro) are the giveaway

[dawn moth]

Ahh, I would agree

Looks like it

[dawn moth]

Yep you were bang on

The one chip says 13.52127mghz

[ocean oar]

Which is very close to 1/32 of 433MHz, so that also tracks

[prisma briar]

Your camera lens may be dirty/scratched.

[dawn moth]

The black ic chip says

[ocean oar]

3 ICs, which if I had to take a wild stab is: one flash chip to store the sound(s) it makes, one DAC, and one RF receiver

[dawn moth]

CT2220ls 2317jcm612

[dawn moth]

I thought the 13mghz chip handled rf?

[ocean oar]

The silver package is just a crystal oscillator

Provides timing signal to one of the other things

[dawn moth]

My phone camera is melted, or it's a bit of a Long takle, scroll up for context

[dawn moth]

Ahh like rtc but for timing radio signals?

[prisma briar]

Just something that sends pulses at a set frequency for clock cycles to be based on

[dawn moth]

Little ic says a7

[dawn moth]

Makes sense

[ocean oar]

And 1/32 (1/2⁵) is a common frequency divider, 13.52127 × 32 = 432.68064

A7 just a diode

[dawn moth]

Ah not even an ic

Good to know

[ocean oar]

Are the other two entirely unmarked?

[dawn moth]

Yea

Only one is marked

[dawn moth]

This one

[ocean oar]

https://www.hoperf.com/ic/rf_receiver/CMT2220LSW.html

[dawn moth]

Found it faster then me

So the other two are a dac, and the audio file data?

[ocean oar]

That's my best guess

[prisma briar]

You can multiply and divide the frequency of an oscillator so generally a board will have one oscillator and all the other ICs on the board will multiply/divide based off of that one. When you've got something rigid like an RF frequency or TV signal frequency you'll generally want the clock speed to be an easy factor/multiple of it. Things like microprocessors or memory modules are generally quite flexible with their timing so they're less of a concern.

[dawn moth]

So if I was to find a way to jailbreak the Camera's firmware, I could technically take advantage of the the dumb accessory.. probably could just by sending the same signal.

[prisma briar]

Oscillators are more expensive than frequency multipliers/dividers

[dawn moth]

So the 13mhz oscillator is probably the most expensive part.

In that case one of those IC's could be used to multiply or divide the timing?

[prisma briar]

If you get deep into MCU programming different parts of the cpu frequently have their own frequency multipliers/dividers

Possible, it's also common for a frequency multiplier/divider to be built into another chip

So you don't need an external one

[prisma briar]

I doubt it's the most expensive part, it's just more expensive than a couple more transistors etched into a wafer

An oscillator is a piezo-electric crystal that vibrates at a known frequency when a current is applied to it.

I'm mostly just off on a tangent though, I didn't really look at the photos much

[dawn moth]

Makes sense

Also good to know, definitely brain food

So the chime dumber then a wyze chime

And the camera uses relatively available parts

The next question is, how does it pair to the app in order to grab wifi credentials?

I would assume Bluetooth

[ocean oar]

My favourite one of those was the app made a QR code on the screen and you scanned it with the device

[dawn moth]

It's probably the same app rebranded

Which means sun Corp is involved

[ocean oar]

No mention of bluetooth in the CPU datasheet

[dawn moth]

So gotta be something else, I didn't see a separate chip

Probably the qr code

[ocean oar]

But that does leave

• QR code
• Flashing lights at the camera
• Making tones its mic can pick up
• WiFI access point mode

[dawn moth]

^^

Good points I forgot about those

The battery and camera module can be easily swapped out

And the board has terminals for 5v

But even though there's mogualabily

There

I don't see anyone doing that if the max is 640p

Or roughly around that number 🤭

Guess it's time to setup a lab

And analyze it's traffic and behavior

Hmm

The last two are probably diodes

But what's these Chips do, I struggle to dig up docs 😵‍💫

[ocean oar]

Actually maybe I was reading the wrong line. Could be 1080p

[dawn moth]

That would make this thing more useful

Or at least the ability

[ocean oar]

Well one of them is obviously the other half of the 433MHz transmitter

[dawn moth]

Indeed

Oscillator is here too

And another ic unmarked

[ocean oar]

p25016h is a flash chip

[dawn moth]

Firmware location perhaps?

[ocean oar]

lpa2104s is an audio amplifier

[dawn moth]

For the speaker probably

[ocean oar]

a2shb is a MOSFET, could be anything power-related

no results for "taedy1" whatsoever

[orchid rose]

Aren't you guys supposed to be at 230V as well and not 220? It doesn't look like the temperature has made much of a difference here

[prisma briar]

Plotting all these datapoints is making HA very unhappy, lol.

[dawn moth]

How do you guys measure voltage?

[ocean oar]

I use my UPS

[dawn moth]

Is it every switch/relay monitoring

[prisma briar]

I have a meter in my breaker box

[dawn moth]

Ah neat both ways

I need a UPS for a server

[prisma briar]

I have UPSes too but I don't record them to HA

[dawn moth]

And a I like the idea of a meter

[prisma briar]

I used to use them to measure wattage

[ocean oar]

I don't either, but I do monitor them by SNMP

I don't know which one I'm more inclined to believe. The top line is an APC SMT1500, bottom is an Eaton 9PX1000

[dawn moth]

I've got a tiny office ups from the mid 2000's

Recently changed the battery on it

Really need to reconfigure what's drawing power on it

Since I just wanna run the Pi's via it, and send a shutdown command via it's Linux software

Either over serial or some how through the rj11 port

But atm it's running my ap's for 30 minutes 🤣

So I've gotta get to that, not very useful

My number one goal is to safe shutdown, and bring back up the pi's once time runs out

And eventually get a cheap ups to do the same for the server

Which is a Supermicro brute..

[umbral cliff]

Thats so weird
Like why bother doing that, just have it open and enjoy the extra space

[dawn moth]

Hey I've got a long question.

But any suggestions for this?

As some of ya know I'm trying to implement 3 IOT Relays into this 3 gang junction, it's deep but fitting wires at their standard link has become a challenge.

I also need to fit three spdt "dumb" paddle switches.

One is a 3 way parallel circuit, the other two are just 2 way with their wiring staying in this junction.

There's alot going on here, I'm following Canadian Electrical code with the exception of color convention being ignored in some places (I've done my best to keep it logical for the next election, might even leave lables and a schematic/map.)

But my main issue here is fitting, I don't think it's possible unless I cut back unnecessary wite and use a 5 port wago and a 6 port clamp down, I would have to special order those in since local shops don't supply such termination methods.

I've already tried using multiple push in and clamp down connectors with jumpers, this was compact but the wiring was in the way, so I re did it with two big wing nuts, these are now in the way, ahaha....

So a quick run down, 5 neutral conductors and 6 common conductors.

Neutral is my return path to the panel.

[silent dove]

@dawn moth I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[dawn moth]

Another thought was to install a secondary junction directly behind this wall, as the utility room is right there, the plan would be use this junction for the spdt switches and route all my bridged conductors as extensions going out of the bottom of the junction into the junction directly behind it where I'll keep the relays.

Pros, no wires get shorter which opens the door to changes, and the relays get their own junction in the utility room with a ul listed cover, so maintenance or changes are easy.

When push my endo scope through there's a stuff on the other wall so great mounting point..

The bad news, it's a cramped work environment, would be cutting the drywall and fishing romex behind a furnace but there's enough room to safely due so..

Finally yes these iot relays are certified to my knowledge.

Any help is greatly appreciated, I've been without lights in the downstairs for 3 days due to complications with two 3 ways circuits, ahaha

[dawn moth]

Dam you bot... hmph

I've gotta alot to say

Can't be compressing my words..

[iron granite]

You have to say less. The poor raccoons have to calculate everything by hand

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-playful-playing-bored-music-gif-14245228

[dawn moth]

Awee

Oki fine

For the raccoons..

https://youtu.be/QKY07_1YEuw?si=_3OSd2w3qhdW0kxb

This... is um

By the same company that built the software and possibly the camera too

They also made that ear endoscope 😅

Besides my morbid curiosity wanting to see if the employee had the guts to film trying it ||spoiler, they didn't|| I was interested to hear a familiar audio tone in the background

Is their factory also assembling jank dash cams?

[clear ferry]

Because, muuuuurica

[clear ferry]

Probably our local transformer is quite overloaded in -25c

Not that it matter until you go below 208 tbh

[ocean oar]

Spec for AU/NZ is 230V +10%/-6%, 216-253V. Pretty big range

[umbral cliff]

Ive seen the same in Singapore too
Isn't just America lol

[umbral cliff]

Seems like we're at 239.2v currently here lol

Seems to hover more around 236-240

[clear ferry]

Ours is 10% either way

So 207-253 is fine

This will be fun

Up to 40mm of probably rain will come night to monday

In our already snowy landscape of -20c+

[last cedar]

Don't you just have a direct 12kV feed into your house?

Actually, with all your servers, 137kV might be better

[glacial knot]

What's with the crippled per phase voltage?

[solar zealot]

Statistics and the lies associated with them volume 4

[prisma briar]

Two 120v phases 180deg out of sync adding up to 240v

[solar zealot]

Kinda interesting that your measurements are so stable

[prisma briar]

Aka split phase power

[prisma briar]

The regular slight dips are my garage space heater

[solar zealot]

It's much more messy around here

[glacial knot]

do you see the 15min irregularity? 🤔

[primal laurel]

I hit 253V in the summer 😭

[solar zealot]

Yea it does that

[primal laurel]

inverter turns off when that happens

[gleaming crater]

Holy crap did they really not coat the stainless steel on the cybertruck? Apparently these things are corroding immediately lmao

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-youll-have-to-wipe-dead-bugs-and-bird-poop-off-your-cybertruck-asap-to-avoid-corrosion/

[solar zealot]

Happens, it's a small startup where they bang those together in a garage

[gleaming crater]

Lol if you want to see shithouse watch a few episodes of the show “how it’s made: supercars”

The other brands have tons of fixtures to assemble things, Tesla has two guys carry a wobbly body panel over and set it by hand

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-sam-neil-joke-fence-electricity-gif-4318923

[primal laurel]

im so happy those things are not legal to drive here

[gleaming crater]

Too ugly to be allowed on the road?

[dawn moth]

Apparently they can't handle snow

Me Canadian sad

[gleaming crater]

Ahaha of course not

[primal laurel]

it wouldn't pass safety tests

[gleaming crater]

So many bad decisions in one car

[dawn moth]

Yea as someone who likes the concepts of ev's I still expected that result from the reviews 🤭

If the the thing needs firmware updates for it's controller like the Ford ev

Then the market is going down a scarier road

[gleaming crater]

You mean the appification of cars?

Where they just license you the right to drive it lol

And it needs a hundred updates to work

The average car has hundreds of individual processors in it now

[dawn moth]

Yea and those should have individual firmware 🤭

Not one system to rule them all

And when the devs brick it

No more drive time 🤣

[dawn moth]

Yep that too

Don't get me wrong I love ev technology and iot car features

Just keep it redundant... even better make it open source and share firmware

Except they don't do that 🫠

[agile jewel]

Anyone here a proud owner of Garmin watches? I had an idea of using the watch to share my contact (phone number, name) through NFC. But as far as I'm aware, the watch doesn't provide NFC API. Anyone ever had the same thought? Or perhaps knows of a way?

[umbral cliff]

That isn't even new
That started happening 20 years ago

[gleaming crater]

Lol true

At work we use a microcontroller that is typically used for door locks

Literally a purpose built processor for a door lock

[dusky plank]

I modded a ikea vindriktning and a förnuftig today.
Can recommend, fun projects!

[primal laurel]

I did that too

Small esp module inside

[gleaming crater]

I’m kinda reluctant to get more ikea sensors, I’ve had so many of the older gen ones fail or decide to start eating batteries on me

[primal laurel]

These are wired

[gleaming crater]

I’ve still had multiple sensors and remotes just croak on me too

I’m kinda done with the brand personally

Tho maybe that’s why they redid so much of the smarthome line lol

[clear ferry]

I hate the emalgamation of microprocessors in cars, I prefer Audi of the 80s, hydraulics, vacuum and buttons

The Audi C3 2.2q is my definition of perfection

[glacial knot]

then why don't you still drive it?

[clear ferry]

Because it does not fit in with having two kids, and most of them are Collectors objects these days if they aren't hunks of rust

I'd buy one if it came off the construction track new today in a heartbeat

There is actually not a single one for sale in Norway now

It isn't even available as a model choice in the search

Quite a few in Germany from 6-15k eur

[blazing musk]

I did love my E30 but constant maintenance was tough with infants/toddlers

[clear ferry]

I had a Audi A8 D2 when my first daughter was born

Not great either

[gleaming crater]

My buddy has a classic E30 and I literally cannot fit behind the wheel to drive it

The dash basically murders my knees

[clear ferry]

Only BMWs i would fancy is a E24 or E32

[gleaming crater]

My wife bought an X3 because it could fit all of us, including my 2m tall son in the back seat

[clear ferry]

Really? I wrote the X3 totally off because it was useless in space

I looked at the X5, but I wanted 7 seats and the X7 was too expensive, so I got the XC90

[gleaming crater]

My son can sit behind me and we’re both 2m/6’8”

[blazing musk]

I'm not tall so small is fine

[clear ferry]

The X3 was no upgrade from the Tiguan, and that was also pretty useless with two kids

[gleaming crater]

Lol my daily driver is a 2 door mini cooper

[clear ferry]

Rear facing car seats need some space

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/gitan-de-ses-mort-traffic-driving-little-car-small-car-gif-14473278

[gleaming crater]

It’s basically the tardis, it’s bigger on the inside

[clear ferry]

I will never forget the article I read when I was in the US, where the Subaru beat the VW because it had 19 cup holders instead of 17

Most American biased article I've ever seen

[gleaming crater]

My kids are 20, 21 and the wife’s kid is 11 so no car seats lol

[clear ferry]

Mine are 2 and 5

[clear ferry]

Just put the eldest in front facing

Because she is 128cm

[blazing musk]

The "family car" was out of commission

[clear ferry]

Half a head taller than the other kids

[blazing musk]

I always chuckled that the E30 is smaller than a modern mini in every dimension except length (hatchback)

[gleaming crater]

I believe it

I bought my mini cooper because it was the top rated car for tall guys

[blazing musk]

Personally in a Bolt now. Went from lots of maintenance to practically none.

[clear ferry]

I'm in the shop with both the Volvo and the leaf once a year

[orchid rose]

That's a sexy car

[blazing musk]

Yeah I miss it

[static schooner]

The monkeys own it now

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/lambo-gif-25321275

[clear ferry]

@last cedar

[primal laurel]

I love eating trash, oops I mean normal human things like drinking milk

[clear ferry]

Yes I too enjoy human things like small talk and helping others

[dusky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-why-are-you-gay-pepe-julian-who-is-gay-you-are-gay-gif-15004128

[last cedar]

Haha, you comedian ❤️

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/comedian-watchmen-hilarious-gif-14130419541200312586

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/noneed-gif-4894246

These two are hilarious when they wrestle like this daily

[blazing musk]

Damn cat has the post poop zoomies

[gleaming crater]

It’s like walking a couple hamsters

[prisma briar]

Woo, damn near done now.

[last cedar]

Pomeranian?

[gleaming crater]

Ya

[last cedar]

You 3D printed all that food?!

[prisma briar]

Yea these bambus are crazy

[last cedar]

My auntie has had a few lovely dogs ❤️

[prisma briar]

The hard part was printing the iron pipes holding the shelves up

[last cedar]

No harm with any more microplastics inside us, at this point

[prisma briar]

I figure as soon as I hit the credit-card level of microplastics inside of me I can just tap my hand for payments

I am 3d printing hooks to hold up the pot lids though

[ocean oar]

I printed a lens hood for one of my outdoor security cameras yesterday

[prisma briar]

Getting washed out from the sun or protecting from rain?

[ocean oar]

Sun

Well, a bit of sun, plus fairy lights I was installing on that side of the house

It's actually not even an outdoor camera (Ubiquiti G3 Micro), but it's far enough under the soffit that it's lasted 2 years outside just fine

[prisma briar]

Where I started

With less wide angle lens

[umbral cliff]

E46 or bust

[blazing musk]

I mean, they're cool, but the S54 has proven to be a pretty troublesome engine no?

[blazing musk]

Which resin was that?

[ocean oar]

Formlabs printer, just their standard black

This cartridge I forgot about in a cupboard and is past its best before date, hence printing random junk because it's gone goopy and isn't really up to fine detail

[umbral cliff]

S54 is the M3 of that generation I believe
M54 I don't believe is too bad

Just go with the M43 anyway, a model not available in NA lol

Baby engine

[ocean oar]

Two runs through the 50µm paint strainer

[blazing musk]

Ah. I'm playing with urethane resins at the moment but expensive

[static schooner]

Washing clothes is for suckers

[blazing musk]

Yeah it's the engine from my E30 with some external upgrades

[prisma briar]

I moved 'em out to my garage

I moved them to the other side of the wall on the left basically

Was close enough I could just reroute the existing hookups

[umbral cliff]

It's the one my daily driver has
A 2000 BMW E46 318i
112,000kms (69,500mi)

[blazing musk]

Oh and roller cams because something about RoHS and ZDDP

Cam followers that is

[prisma briar]

I hung a couple shelves in the garage above the washer/dryer to hold things like soap and fabric softener and it freed up a room in my house. I'm redoing my kitchen next so I turned this into a kitchen pantry so I can still have storage while the kitchen cabinets are ripped out

[blazing musk]

But yeah my M42 had 250k mi on it and I could still track it

When I finally sold it I encouraged the buyer to take it to redline on the test drive to prove it was good

(I tried once with a DISA M42 E36 I was testing for someone else and it choked up at the DISA switch-over engine speed)

[last cedar]

Those are huge 3D printers omg

Glad you found a smaller one

[prisma briar]

The heater on the right one takes like 5kw too

[last cedar]

Oooooof

Almost as much as one of @clear ferry s servers

[prisma briar]

It's all worth it for iLO though

[dawn moth]

I'm very interested in smart watch Devlopment, I'm familiar with that the Garmins exit but I haven't looked into it.

I'm on the look out for a smart watch to do stuff like that with, I researched the Fitbit API documentation once throughly so I could help program a concept a community member had once, they were gonna test it since they had the hardware but they ended up switching to Samsung hardware which had the feture easily accessible and did the task better. So I never gave it a shot.

Recently I've been looking at the Pine Watch since it's open source. Sucks that the BPM sensor isn't accurate

[blazing musk]

@prisma briar it's beautiful (I'm finally getting everything stabilized after getting the additional unit hooked up)

I think the "Garage Lights" and "Laundry Room" are actually kitchen sink circuits running more than their names

it costs more to run my upstairs PC than the PTC heater in my 3d printer

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[copper kindle]

posting in offtopic because it is not really directly related to the current voice assistants, I think. You know if the new language support needs to be added recording specific sentences and uploading somewhere, or can it be trained with public large models of recordings?

I'm sure I read about this in the past but my google-fu is faling me rn

[clear ferry]

Hey hey hey, the biggest single system I have has two 1200w psus

[umbral cliff]

Luckily you're not in America. Wouldn't that be an entire house circuit there

[clear ferry]

I thought so too, but this guy I know in Texas uses just as much power as me

Also, running servers on 110v

What a shitshow

[umbral cliff]

Running servers on 110v
Fixed that for you

220-240v better

Imagine if America used 220-240v, then I'm sure all the other countries on 110 would've swapped too. Voltage wouldn't have been a problem. Amazing

[clear ferry]

Japan would never swap

They are too stubborn

https://tenor.com/view/impossibru-impossible-gif-15724984

[iron granite]

Why don't we go full metric and use a 1000V or 100V grid?

[glacial knot]

that's actually a good question
Where do the standard voltages come from historically? 🤔

[olive cloud]

yo could any1 help #analytics-archived message

[glacial knot]

Hm, quick Google search suggests that's simply what early generators generated
And then some countries went split phase, others 3phase generation

[iron granite]

We already have metric time in HA, so let's metric all the things!

[clear ferry]

Metric is the superior measurements

Like, 3¼, what the fuck

Or awg, a reverse scale

[clear ferry]

At least NASA realised this

[glacial knot]

🤷 is Siemens or Ohm the reverse one?

[clear ferry]

AWG is

It's totally confusing

Bigger = smaller

[umbral cliff]

Would you prefer 3.25
Thats metric 😛

[umbral cliff]

Such a weird voltage that they generated. Seems random

[clear ferry]

3.25 inches does not end up in usable metric

[umbral cliff]

We're not talking about what you have down there

😛

[clear ferry]

I'll have them know though, the Imperial spanners are great for rusty 25 year old worn down bolts

When 13mm is just slipping

1/2 is just right

31/32 is such a weirdo size

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-what-she-said-dirty-joke-joke-laugh-gif-15661968

[ocean oar]

There's a reason you sometimes hear people refer to this as an "all-eighths spanner" 😆

I prefer "Swedish nut lathe", personally

Also
https://youtu.be/JYqfVE-fykk

[clear ferry]

Is that an Oceania term? I've never heard that

[ocean oar]

I think "nut fucker" is probably the most Kiwi/Aussie term you'll find for it

[clear ferry]

It isn't wrong

Especially ones with poor lock steps

[glacial knot]

They are commonly called Engländer (English person) here

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bHn9t.gif

[primal laurel]

such AI

[clear ferry]

My daughter found an interesting way to learn to read, she uses the type by mic on her tablet, and then she reads the word she just said

[umbral cliff]

So she sees a word, then spells it out using the tablet mic, then makes it play the word?

[clear ferry]

No, she says the word, the tablet writes it, and then she reads the word

Both Norwegian and English work well

[solar zealot]

Not so loud

This can be sold to people as dedicated app

They won't suspect a thing

[prisma briar]

There's nothing stopping someone from running a 200A 240v circuit here if they have the service to power it.

And the know how

Average circuits are either 15A or 20A at 120v but it's all upgradable

The size of the service going to the home and the lack of know-how to do their own work are what hold most people back

[clear ferry]

My friend from texas said most houses have 200A main breakers there

might be a texas thing

[prisma briar]

Most newer houses everywhere do. I have 150A to my house from the 70s

[clear ferry]

most houses here are usually 3x40 for 3ph in, or 2x63 for 1ph in

[prisma briar]

But my parents only have 100A service

[clear ferry]

I saw a huge house, twice the size of mine once, that one had 3x80A

[primal laurel]

meanwhile we have new houses which can't be connected to the grid at all because there's no room

[prisma briar]

My power service comes out to 150A@240v

[clear ferry]

is that 1 or 3 ph ?

inlet

[prisma briar]

1ph 240v

[clear ferry]

ah

yeah we transitioned to 3ph default in the early 90s

[prisma briar]

Then the transformer has a center tap on the 240v winding that gives us our 120v reference

Does Europe actually use split phase for 230v?

I've never worked on 3 phase. Only apartments and businesses have that here

[glacial knot]

My parents have 3x64
Though I know people that have multiple 3x64 sockets 😂

[prisma briar]

What voltage is your three phase at in total? 230v between each phase?

[toxic oasis]

I have 3x40a , it's an old house that was once a wood wheel workshop ...

And yes 230 between each phase

[solar zealot]

isnt it 230 to ground and 400ish between phases

[prisma briar]

That would be split phase

[toxic oasis]

380 if the phases are combined

[glacial knot]

yea, 230 to neutral, 400 between the phases

[toxic oasis]

There is no neutral

[glacial knot]

dunno which country you are from
But here (and afaik all of europe) has 230V to ground/neutral and 400V between the phases (120° shift)

[toxic oasis]

Belgium

[prisma briar]

That's basically how our apartments are wired here except the voltages are halved

[glacial knot]

Huh, Belgium is listed for both 230V and 400V between phases
so likely older installations that aren't standardized

[glacial knot]

don't you usually have 2phase 180° shift?

[prisma briar]

That is one good thing about the US's power system, it was decided on and standardized pretty early so there's compatibility a long way back.

I could take an appliance made 100 years ago and, ignoring safety issues, could just plug it in and it'd work.

[toxic oasis]

We did go from 110v to 220v in the 70s (I think)?for security reasons , it halves the amperage

[glacial knot]

there's more changes within the distribution than actual endpoints

[solar zealot]

i mean its also a significantly less old country

[prisma briar]

useful electricity is younger than the US so that's a weird argument to make

[glacial knot]

unless you had constant issues with wires burning, that makes no sense o.0

[prisma briar]

220v lets you use thinner wire and makes wiring a house cheaper

[glacial knot]

yea, but using it for safety is weird

[prisma briar]

It's kind of the opposite of safety

Makes electrocution that much more dangerous

[solar zealot]

less current should make the wires less hot

[prisma briar]

Which means you can make them thinner

Not you keep the same gauge and have more safety margin

[glacial knot]

also reduces electrical fields. But that's not really been an issue in home installations

[solar zealot]

that may depend on how the safety rulings are

[glacial knot]

it's easier to require thicker cables than make sure that people don't touch them though

[toxic oasis]

It's the amperage that kills

Not the voltage

[prisma briar]

It's the voltage that lets the amperage get to you

240v will go further down, for example, an accidentally electrified water pipe than 120v will

[glacial knot]

that's about as useful as it being the sudden deceleration that kills, not the speed

it's not wrong, but it's not a useful notion

[solar zealot]

welders do not be that harmless

[glacial knot]

water pipe should have close to 0 resistance, so that wouldn't make much of a difference. Especially if it's old and copper

[prisma briar]

Assuming the pipe is grounded right and doesn't have any plastic or low-conductive bits in the way like a sharkbite fitting

[solar zealot]

is that even still standard to use

i thought they were all those fancy hardtube plastics by now

[prisma briar]

My house still has copper, wouldn't surprise me if new houses were going all PEX

[glacial knot]

if it's grounded, gfci/RCD should make sure it's not energized for long either way^^

[prisma briar]

Fair

Requiring RCD for all breakers is something I wish we'd do here

[glacial knot]

Only place I've seen new copper is outside rain traps

[solar zealot]

rich people houses

[glacial knot]

yea, we have one in front of the distribution panel^^

[prisma briar]

When I moved my washer/dryer I did copper, I wish I would have just rented a pex expander and done pex for it

Would've taken like 1/10th the time

[glacial knot]

my parents had to throw some old copper pipes out when they replaced some gutters
Because some other parts got replaced by something that would react with the copper o.0

[prisma briar]

I'm looking at running a hot water return line for a cycler and I was going to just run a pex tube through my crawlspace

galvanic corrosion is a big issue for copper

[glacial knot]

I was aware of that due to some computer water cooling drive by knowledge^^

[prisma briar]

It likes to be a sacrificial anode

Fun fact: A/C causes way less (virtually none) galvanic corrosion than D/C does so mixing aluminum and copper in a home electrical system doesn't really cause issues with it.

And that goop that 'deoxidizes and prevents corrosion' is most likely snake oil

[glacial knot]

🤷 just add a 1:1 transformer and separate them if you really need to

[prisma briar]

Or just get a connector rated to deal with how much aluminum expands when it gets hot

You can connect aluminum and copper with a butt splice or terminal block just fine

But if you use a wago or a wire nut you're going to have a bad time

(ignoring that one brand of wire nuts approved for aluminum that cost like $3/wire nut)

[glacial knot]

This looks fun

https://asset.conrad.com/media10/isa/160267/c1/-/en/566432_BB_00_FB/image.jpg?x=1000&y=1000&ex=1000&ey=1000&align=center

[prisma briar]

Distribution block?

Are those breakers or just rails?

[glacial knot]

I think so. Shows up on ddg looking for terminal block

[prisma briar]

I meant more like

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/qbert-video-game-arcade-80s-game-gif-16901909

[prisma briar]

IMO aluminum should be screwed in on every end to the correct torque spec, it shouldn't ever have a spring like a wago or wire nut being the only thing holding it

[clear ferry]

Stuff like those became illegal here a few decades ago

[prisma briar]

You also don't have aluminum there to deal with, do you?