#the-water-cooler

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subtle pasture
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It actually has some serious niche appeal for anything that needs to run on batteries, but also needs more horsepower than the original Pi Zero could provide

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For anything else I tend to err on the side of throwing a cheap x86 solution at the problem

clear ferry
steel crag
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atx at this point is nearly e-waste himself, we need to trade him in for a new model that uses less power

solar zealot
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What if we only get instore credit and they don't have the right replacement in stock

orchid rose
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atx runs on uncooked meat which does save a little bit of energy at least

steel crag
glacial knot
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i need some cheap box but at least 8GB ram =.=

solar zealot
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how cheap

finite atlas
distant junco
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Go to eBay and look for (U)SFF PCs

glacial knot
glacial knot
subtle pasture
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Oh god, ebay links, why...

balmy bough
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lol, you forgot to trim it?

subtle pasture
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Wasn't sure you could trim ebay links

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But yeah, fixed it

balmy bough
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🙂

subtle pasture
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People sell lots of these old SFF PCs for peanuts all the time

steel crag
solar zealot
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if you order by ending shortly there is some actually interesting stuff but less bulk

balmy bough
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just wanted to point out, local prices do not reflect global prices.

steel crag
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omg that would be my new host right there

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if only I had.... money on my cc and not stacks of cash

solar zealot
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you can mail me those stacks of cash and i get rid of them

balmy bough
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IME, anybody who claims to have stacks of cash, either doesn't have a pot to piss in, in reality, or sells drugs. not saying either is true, but i have seen so many claim to have what they do not, on the internet. 😉

solar zealot
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well stacks of cash can still be pretty worthless

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until its like paper factory volume

balmy bough
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interesting, if i transfer my money to Norweigein Krone, i would have 1554.83 😉

solar zealot
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or you trade it to iranian rial and have like 6 million

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no idea what that would help, but its a lot of paper i suppose

balmy bough
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yes, but what i was getting at, is if somebody in Norway gets paid 50 NOK per hour, that's only $4.86 an hour in USD

steel crag
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I actually put money I'm trying not to spend in envelopes, then I can slide them into my safe without opening it

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and I have one labeled "PC/Toy upgrades"

balmy bough
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but back when i was getting $14 per hour, that would be 144.16 in NOK 😉 🤪

steel crag
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I think it was 10 Kronor:1 Dollar when I lived in Sweden too

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I think it's SEK if I'm not mistaken

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they both seem to hover around each other in value

static schooner
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It's less fun in Korea when everything is in 1000s of Won

steel crag
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or Thailand and baht

static schooner
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Otherwise you could have fat stacks of cash there

balmy bough
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i was just poking a few jabs at atx 😉

steel crag
prisma briar
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I had a friend who had a few trillion dollars from zimbabwe

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I think he got it on ebay

steel crag
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I could take my $2 to Jamaica and end up with JSD$310.68

static schooner
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And a joint

steel crag
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I have no idea what you're talking about RobC

static schooner
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Sounds like too much arbitrage with JSD

steel crag
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I remember when it was 1USD:35JSD....

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it wasn't that long ago either

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I feel accomplished today, I got a python script that actually can calculate my electricity bill... now I just need to figure out how to put that into HA lol

prisma briar
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I probably would have just got current draw sensors and calculated it with jinja

steel crag
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I don't have any sensors I can do that with

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so I am trying to use a number helper to input the usage manually

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I think I got it to a state it will work as a template

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but my pigeons are on lunch break so I don't have remote access to test

solar zealot
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I wonder if there is some additional configuration with keycloak I miss.
Can't be correct that you just have the default public welcome page and admin panel there

steel crag
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no clue

solar zealot
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Guess it's trickery time

steel crag
forest edge
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@tidal bronze Texas is quickly closing that gap in the GDP race. Some saying Texas may actually beat out California by 2025/26

steel crag
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and that's even with Texas having 10,000,000 less people? wow

clear ferry
clear ferry
clear ferry
clear ferry
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Temporary desk for home exam

swift dirge
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one of those "must be on camera" exams?

clear ferry
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Yes

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I did 18 successful ones last year, this will be the 6th so far this year

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Pearson does not approve of my primary workspace for exams

glacial knot
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I still need to setup for my proctored exam...

balmy bough
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Morning ☕

red rock
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Heyo

finite atlas
balmy bough
glacial knot
dusky plank
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https://www.anker.com/products/a1289?variant=41974285041814&discount=WS7DI558KR
this isn't allowed on planes right?

Anker
Anker 737 Power Bank (PowerCore 24K)

Ultra-Powerful Two-Way Charging: Equipped with the latest Power Delivery 3.1 and bi-directional technology to quickly recharge the portable charger or get a 140W ultra-powerful charge. (Note: This power bank does not support wireless recharge using a charging base) High Capacity: Featuring a 24,000mAh battery capacity, juice up an iPhone 13 almo...

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oh, you can bring up to 27.000mah on planes, I thought it was something below 20

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no, sometimes its the wattage with max 100

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I'm so confused

umbral cliff
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So given a lithium battery is normally 3.7v, at 24,000mah thats 88.8Wh

glacial knot
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Which at 3.SomeV is somewhere around 27000mAh

solar zealot
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You may get into trouble bringing multiple ones, but I haven't seen that happen yet if it's reasonable

umbral cliff
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Nah, the rule is per battery not total

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Unless its excessive

solar zealot
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Some airlines do limit the amount of batteries

glacial knot
swift dirge
clear ferry
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I mostly travel with hand luggage, so no worries smile

swift dirge
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Spare batteries for portable electronic devices (including metal devices) containing lithium metal or lithium ion cells or batteries carried for personal use.

Must be individually protected so as to prevent short circuits (by placement in original retail packaging or by otherwise insulating terminals, e.g. by taping over exposed terminals or placing each battery in a separate plastic bag or protective pouch).

Each spare battery must not exceed the following:

lithium metal or lithium alloy batteries, a lithium content of not more than 2 grams;
or
lithium ion batteries, a watt-hour rating of not more than 100 Wh.
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with airline approval:

Spare batteries for portable electronic devices containing lithium ion batteries exceeding a Watt-hour rating of 100 Wh but not exceeding 160 Wh when carried for personal use.
No more than two individually protected spare batteries per person may be carried

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fun fact, 1 watt hour is 3600 joules. an F1 handgrenade releases around 270,000 joules 😄 (how quickly energy can be dumped, and in what form is important 😄 )

solar zealot
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Using eol lithium batteries when you run out of grenades

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Don't give them ideas

umbral cliff
clear ferry
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They didn't last I checked

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Only checked in luggage

umbral cliff
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They don't want you checking in batteries

clear ferry
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All Norwegian airline pages state this
Batterier kan tas om bord som håndbagasje med enkelte restriksjoner, og de kan ikke sendes som innsjekket bagasje.

Or some variation

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And noone has bothered with any of my powerbanks in carryon the last 6 months

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They are pulling luggage aside and removing power banks from checked in luggage though

umbral cliff
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I see you don't read lol

distant junco
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Tell them you don't have batteries, only cells 😄

clear ferry
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Noone is getting their bag with battery banks stopped in security is all I can tell you Shrug neither in Norway or Denmark which is my last 6 months

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I carry two 28000mah banks in my carry-on because I'm zzzz with delayed flights

umbral cliff
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Just don't break them, they're there for a reason

young sigil
clear ferry
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Because KALI MALI KALI MALI

low harness
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The Book of Socks?

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Knitting?

clear ferry
low harness
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It reminds me of watching pictures download on our old dial-up modem.

balmy bough
clear ferry
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I didn't start downloading Linux Isos before 97, and by then I had dual isdn, and docsis by 98

balmy bough
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should be getting a 18TB drive in the mail today 🙂

steel crag
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Pre-mp3

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I'm so old I had to add mp3 as a file type to the os manually

balmy bough
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i'm so old, i have listened to music from a VIC-20 😉

umbral cliff
steel crag
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Get off my grass.

clever mortar
fiery smelt
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An old 2016 smeleron 2 core CPU 😆 and it runs Windows.
I'll stick to 4 core ARM with low power and Linux over X86 and Windows thanks

clear ferry
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Thankfully noone said windows

steel crag
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I'm upgrading all my pigeons with nitrous oxide just for that

clear ferry
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Nice

subtle pasture
night zodiac
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get pinged, nerd

subtle pasture
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It's also about as fast as the SoC on the Pi4 in most tasks. That said, that Atom kicks the snot out of the Pi4 if you need to do anything with hardware video acceleration or AES encryption.

fiery smelt
subtle pasture
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Which current OS can't you run on x86?

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Windows, Linux, and BSD are all x86 native

fiery smelt
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X86 is also limited when it comes to RAM.

subtle pasture
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Tell that to the servers at work with terabytes of the stuff...

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ARM really isn't that much more power efficient. ARMs biggest advantage (and disadvantage) is that you don't need intel's blessing (in the form of an x86 license) to produce ARM chips.

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That's lead to a lot of different companies producing their own flavors of ARM... unfortunately, they're often not binary compatible with one another.

fiery smelt
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What about power consumption and heat?
There is a reason ARM is used in embedded systems and mobile devices.

Also Windows Server 2008 R2 as far as I'm aware is 64bit only and won't run on X86.
There are hundreds of Operating systems that are made for ARM or X64.
Granted there are X86 distros but not every operating system will run on X86, maybe different distros but not "Every OS"

low harness
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Ever heard of x86-64?

subtle pasture
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Server 2008 R2 runs on x86_64 / AMD64

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So far, there hasn't been an AMD64 CPU released that isn't also x86

fiery smelt
subtle pasture
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Maybe @ who you're talking to, then 🤷‍♀️

low harness
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That’s not how things work here 😉

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fiery smelt
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This was who I was replying to!

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subtle pasture
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I'll stick to EPYC and Xeon servers. Running consumer AMD hardware in a server has always been a nightmare.

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Nothing against AMD's server hardware, but their desktop products don't translate well into the server space

fiery smelt
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And you jumped on saying the Atom is a quad core!
When that was not even brought up by myself!

subtle pasture
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Cool, and the discussion moved on 🙂

fiery smelt
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@subtle pasture my post was letting people here know that the Pi 4 is in stock in the UK! I was being helpful as they are hard to get hold of, and none of the above including your original mistaken reply to me is necessary.

subtle pasture
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Wasn't mistaken. lol

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It's called launching a new conversation from an existing one.

steel crag
subtle pasture
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Happens a lot...

fiery smelt
subtle pasture
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Nope, see above

fiery smelt
subtle pasture
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Yes, I was bringing up a new CPU. An additional option that would be better than both of the ones previously dicussed.

low harness
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Again, that’s just how things work here. No matter what time of day, if you mention pc hardware Leapo will jump in and drop model numbers, and Atx will jump in and drop green faces.

steel crag
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And I will 🤮

low harness
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Mixed with the occasional raccoon.

subtle pasture
fiery smelt
subtle pasture
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Seemed clear to me. I quoted you because I was responding to you 🙂

fiery smelt
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I'm not psychic

steel crag
subtle pasture
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I didn't expect you to be? I was responding.

fiery smelt
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Quoting

subtle pasture
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Yup, because it was in response

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I don't understand what you're confused about. lol

fiery smelt
steel crag
subtle pasture
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"I'll stick to X, for reasons"
"But there's also Y, which negates those reasons, you know..."

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Made perfect sense to me

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Literally a normal discussion

fiery smelt
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Well to me it was a response (Quoted) in reply to my conversation with a completely different person about a different CPU. But hey ho, you crack on.

Could easily of worded it differently.

How about the Atom...

On the subject of..

Again I'm not psychic to your way of thinking and neither would anybody else reading a quoted reply.
Good day.

subtle pasture
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What, nobody's allowed to bring in a 3rd option?

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I didn't expect you to be psychic. Plenty of people would have understood that response without issue. lol

fiery smelt
subtle pasture
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You keep complaining that I brought up a different CPU than was being discussed. Do you retract that complaint?
I was asking if that's what you meant (note the question mark). No words were placed in your mouth.

subtle pasture
clear ferry
night zodiac
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lol, I just switched back to this channel

clear ferry
balmy bough
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i feel like i walked in on something... 😉

subtle pasture
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Nah, moving on

fiery smelt
# clear ferry Yuck

Each to their own.
But it's perfect for a virtualisation setup and cheaper than a threadripper.
Does the job just fine

balmy bough
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just ran my initial backup from my Proxmox VE server, to my Proxmox BS server, only took a little over an hour 🤣

subtle pasture
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The issue I always run into using desktop-class AMD hardware in a server is ESXi basically doesn't support any of the hardware.

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AMD's desktop chipsets are a seperate beast, and have very little support in the server space

fiery smelt
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I agree, I run Proxmox

subtle pasture
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Ew, Proxmox. I'd never let that into production. lol

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We're a vSphere / Hyper-V / RedHat Virtualization (oVirt) shop

balmy bough
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to each their own 😉

clear ferry
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I prefer proper servers yes

subtle pasture
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I mean, the biggest issue is that literally zero enterprise backup software supports Proxmox, which makes it incompatible with production environments

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You'd have better luck running Citrix

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And that's a low bar

clear ferry
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Yuck

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Xenserver

subtle pasture
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Right? lol

balmy bough
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i am not enterprize level, so it works for me 🙂

subtle pasture
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Works until it doesn't, sure

fiery smelt
subtle pasture
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How you measuring IOPS, exactly?

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Storage is generally external to the hypervisor, so the IOPS are limited by other factors

fiery smelt
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Goes and creates backups of Proxmox

subtle pasture
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Yeah, how you pulling that off? I'd literally love to know, because Veeam / vRanger / StorageCraft / Datto have no support for it...

fiery smelt
subtle pasture
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I mean, I tried it for that, and ditched it because backups and disaster recovery were nigh on impossible...

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It was also an epic pain to migrate an existing virtual machine from ESXi to Proxmox, and I wasn't going to go through that pain for a worse solution...

fiery smelt
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I agree, backups could be improved.

balmy bough
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i just did a backup using Proxmox Backup Server running on another machine

fiery smelt
subtle pasture
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I'd probably still run Hyper-V and Veeam B&R (both also free). Then I could at least keep my existing backup chains.

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Or oVirt, if you're dead set on running Linux

fiery smelt
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Yeah dead set on running Linux.
Curious if you'd still run Hyper-V over Proxmox with my hardware?

subtle pasture
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Desktop class AMD hardware? I'd reach for Hyper-V before literally anything else.

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It'll run on pretty much anything without complaint, and will accept the drivers meant for desktop Windows.

fiery smelt
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Ok thanks, something for me to research

subtle pasture
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Like, they won't tell you a server OS is supported, but it's a desktop motherboard running Windows with the official Windows drivers, at that point...

fiery smelt
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I don't claim to be an expert when it comes to Virtualisation so happy to accept input and criticism either way

subtle pasture
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Virtualization is a good chunk of my job, for better or worse 😅

fiery smelt
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I know

subtle pasture
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And keeping systems stable and maintenance-free is a big part of it

balmy bough
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i only run virtualization to have multiple servers on one machine, with the exception of my backup server

fiery smelt
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My system had been stable for months.
Even a Pi4 I have running Proxmox and that's also never failed.

balmy bough
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didn't think proxmox even ran on a Pi, according to them...

fiery smelt
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I managed to get it running

subtle pasture
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Proxmox is just a front-end for KVM, same as oVirt

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oVirt just has a lot more enterprise support and 3rd party integration, because RedHat sells it as RedHat Virtualization

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At the end of the day, they both run VMs using KVM, though

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The Pi is perfectly capable of running KVM, so as long as Proxmox has no hardline x86 dependencies, it should work.

fiery smelt
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I thought KVM was a type 2

subtle pasture
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Nah, KVM qualifies as a Type 1 hypervisor, same as Hyper-V and ESXi

fiery smelt
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I use UTM on my M2 and Proxmox on everything else.
Works for me and can spin up any Distro I need for pentesting locally.

fiery smelt
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Bare metal is mostly what I prefer

subtle pasture
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Type-2 hypervisors have kinda gone by the wayside, these days

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Windows and Linux both include a Type-1 kernels out of the box. BSD is still using Type-2, though.

clear ferry
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Bhyve

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Yuck

subtle pasture
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That's the one. lol

fiery smelt
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So MacOS uses type 2?

subtle pasture
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I'm not sure wtf Darwin is using these days. lol

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BSD based systems tend to use jails (similar to containers) rather than virtual machines

clear ferry
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I'm guessing you mean paralells

fiery smelt
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Fair enough, I'd assume it uses type 2 as based on XNU kernel

subtle pasture
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MacOS is a bit of a mess right now because of the Intel -> Apple ARM transition

clear ferry
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Parallels is type 2 at least

fiery smelt
subtle pasture
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So there's emulation and virtualization happening on Apple ARM systems

fiery smelt
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Only because I wanted to test Windows ARM, so grabbed UTM

clear ferry
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Utm is based on qemu, so I guess type 1

fiery smelt
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Interesting

clear ferry
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Which explains why it can translate architectures

subtle pasture
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qemu is type 2 for sure <_<

clear ferry
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Is it?

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Oh yea it is

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Sorry

fiery smelt
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I'd of thought so given the XNU kernel. But just a guess

subtle pasture
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It's originally an emulator, which has virtualization extension to accelerate it if the host arch matches the emulated arch.

clear ferry
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Remember trying to emulate pa-risc on qemu once

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It went rather poorly

glacial knot
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The majority of kvm solutions use qemu at some point
Kvm itself really isn't a functional hypervisor

glacial knot
clear ferry
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Full

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Years ago

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For hpux

glacial knot
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Full system virtualization cross arch is slooow at best

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I optimized a build system to use qemu user optimization when necessary and native binaries otherwise
Which was also a very weird endeavor

clear ferry
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Fun thing about hpux, hpvm can run native pa-risc emulation in itanium

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And the performance actually improves during emulation

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I've seen 140% performance gain

glacial knot
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Itanium 😂

clear ferry
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Hey, even in small Norway I install 4-6 new boxes per year

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Imagine in technologically backwards America

glacial knot
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How many are outside your lab? D:

clear ferry
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All of them

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I only have two systems in my lab

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And 10 itaniums in Original intel boxes and wrapping

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Beta units tbh

late gate
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Is it time for me to start using a random username for different services. with GPT people are getting way too easy to find with regular usernames, or should I just use one, that nobody know is connected to me?

clear ferry
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I've used the same name for 20 + years, I haven't died yet

late gate
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well mine is eather aleks or alekslyse, an people call me crazy, but I also use another name that was my gametag 20 years ago, that is a bit more anonymous. But actually I never had issues with using my other ones

fiery smelt
clear ferry
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Think I made this one around... 99 or something

late gate
fiery smelt
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That's scary dude.
Do what makes you feel safer.
Pick a username that generates thousands of search results.
MrBean or something.
Pictures are never a good idea as will be linked to your socials

clear ferry
late gate
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that reminds me what is the best way to expose dns to a docker installation so I dont have to remember IP? I remember I read about it before, but I dont remember how to expose dns

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dns like in hostnames

clear ferry
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What do you mean?

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Inside docker network? Or outside?

balmy bough
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i don't get too many attacks... though the Russians seem to like my forum for trying to post SPAM...

clear ferry
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Most of my attacks are us west coast or china if I disable geoblocking

glacial knot
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what's your IP? I'll distribute it a bit better for you

late gate
clear ferry
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Hostnames of what?

glacial knot
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hostname of deez nuts

clear ferry
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If you mean the docker containers that are being port forwarded to, they aren't really hosts, so hostname doesn't make sense, but service router perhaps

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There are some plugins that update DNS servers, I've used cloudflare companion, and it propegates whatever ip i expose it with, was fun for metallb

clear ferry
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Can also do haproxy to translate any port numbers into port 443

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I did that for a while

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Then put a traefik host inline

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With an internal only domain, that I purchased from cloudflare

glacial knot
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yea, I use istio with a ton of hostnames and then just cname them in DNS

clear ferry
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I need to look at istio

glacial knot
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it also does the TLS termination

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and quic when I need it

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istio is neat in some ways
But I feel like most of the service mesh stuff (sidecar based) shouls be handled by the network plugin

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so I really only use the ingress gateway to gain TLS, quic and easy integration with authentic forward proxy

orchid rose
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cable modem stopped working... Thankfully most of my HA stuff is now local so at least I can still turn on the lights while I use my mobile Internet for surfing

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I could tether that connection to my router, but then I noticed that since the router doesn't have Internet connection, I can't just download the necessary packages on it so it's just not worth the hassle

steel crag
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you have a usb port to tether on ?

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or wifi tethering

dusky plank
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openwrt firmware selector lets you select all you need before flashing / upgrading

steel crag
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the version of DD-WRT I use supports USB WAN out the box

orchid rose
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I should have one free USB port on it

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I'm using openwrt so maybe it's worth it if I can't find a replacement cable box before weekend

steel crag
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yeah I think openwrt should definitely be able to replicate the same as DD-WRT

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I'm hopefully getting a SIM card for my LTE modem so I can do that today

orchid rose
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I didn't actually check if it has the packages, but if what mstone said is correct it might not be too hard to just use an upgrade to install them

dusky plank
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that triangle thingie

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orchid rose
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ja wohl

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if I do an upgrade like this, do I need to add all the packages that I already have added or will those remain?

steel crag
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im shocked my router isn't on that list

steel crag
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I own my modem but I pay insurance to the ISP to replace it if it blows

orchid rose
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I had my own previously and the cheapest one they sell is a 200€ router with Wifi6 and stuff which I don't need since I use it bridged

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I can probably find a 2nd hand replacement quite easily

steel crag
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oh they'd have to replace mine for free

orchid rose
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That might be the case here too if they had provided me the first one, but I'm not 100% sure. I bought mine for like 20€ instead

dusky plank
orchid rose
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gotcha, thanks

steel crag
late gate
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I was a bit mean, but my ISP got a child SIM card where they get 1GB/mon and can call 3 numbers. Suddently I got two newlyborn that that can keep it for 13 years. now HA can sms me :p HA is my child

static schooner
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I loled:

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steel crag
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lowest monthly plan you can get is 3gb and it's $30/month

late gate
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I have no idea how they earn any money on that

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but they can only call 3 numbers though

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for me its perfect as its me, my partner and an emergency

steel crag
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data only SIM is $75 for 50gb/month

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which is the same as cable service almost

late gate
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its quite cheap here

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I got an offer for me and partner with unlimited 5g ("unlimited I think is a TB a month), data sim ,and esim for apple watch for 70 bucks in total for both

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but since im starting in a new job I just let them pay

steel crag
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"unlimited" is 200Gb

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here

tidal bronze
steel crag
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well if the cali response time is like yours

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you're in trouble

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😛

tidal bronze
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That didn't deserve a response but since KC is sweaty and lonely just doing a favor.

steel crag
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spits out his soda laughing

umbral cliff
subtle pasture
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Individual USB device pass-through has honestly been hit-or-miss with every hypervisor I've tried (ESXi, Hyper-V, and KVM based solutions).

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The best option I've found is to pass the entire USB host controller (as a PCIe device) to whatever VM needs physical USB ports

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That's always rock-solid

umbral cliff
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Makes sense

subtle pasture
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And installing a USB 3.0 card isn't that big a deal if you have a VM that needs, say, a zigbee dongle or a hardware key of some kind.

umbral cliff
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I have never played with hyper-v at this point, only with proxmox, esxi, and kvm directly

solar zealot
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mini pc users hate this simple trick
learn on how to loose control over the system drives today

umbral cliff
subtle pasture
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You might also get lucky and find that your motherboard has multiple USB host controllers, allowing you to pass some of your motherboard's integeated USB ports directly to a VM without an additional card

steel crag
#

I've never had an issue with USB passthru on virtualbox or xenserver

subtle pasture
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I have on both. lol

umbral cliff
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Don't ask me why I'm considering replacing a direct linux install with a direct win serv install with a debian VM kekw
I'm crazy

steel crag
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only when I forget to add the user to vboxusers for example

subtle pasture
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Getting a webcam passed through to VirtualBox was a nightmare that never worked 100% until I passed the entire PCIe device through <_<

steel crag
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Cal you're not krazie I'm krazie... you gotta get that together my guy

umbral cliff
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😛

steel crag
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Cal: copy my name into an ascii character identifier then....

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that's an I not an l

subtle pasture
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Guess you're lucky 🤷‍♀️

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I think VirtualBox has issues with USB composite devices, more than anything

steel crag
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notice the alternating caps Cal

umbral cliff
steel crag
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you have fallen for the trap

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I've been confusing people as to my actual nick since IRC

umbral cliff
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You are old

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😛

steel crag
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I am indeed.

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mitnick was my hero

forest edge
tidal bronze
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Santa is real

forest edge
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you should be happy that california is slipping. state needs a reminder on what made it get to where it had gotten anways. not like your new slogan, "California, come get robbed" is catching on

tidal bronze
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You are little shy of 1.4 trillion dreams my son.

forest edge
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you say that like it's some big number. have you even looked at the past gdp standings? texas is closing in bud, regardless if you like it or not and that state is fighting damn hard to do it taking full advanatage of califronais recent shitness

tidal bronze
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Who said 1.4 trillion was a big number to middle earth.

forest edge
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see that fear talking lol

tidal bronze
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If you ever lived east or west coast you would know. The rest really doesn't count at all in our daily lives. But for the middle earth it's all about drooling over the coastline. I feel for ya

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What we say goes. It's hard to digest . I am sorry.

forest edge
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why did i picture your state breaking off and sinking into the ocean as you typed that?

tidal bronze
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The hurt is real huh? I am sorry again. Sucks when the coast controls 70% of the country $$ wise

forest edge
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you realize you have no impact on everyone east of colorado right?

tidal bronze
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Well other than food and money for welfare.

forest edge
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lol welfare

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we don't need the money, you got all the cases lol

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i don't think you realize just how little new york, texas and caliornia actually impact every others states day to day lives

tidal bronze
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Well 47 states

forest edge
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your under some false impression we need your orange juice, or wine or even your vegitables lol

tidal bronze
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Orange juice. What's that? Who drinks that crap. It's 2023. Veggies OK. Wine no.

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Hurry up typing that stuff. Got little left in my glass.

forest edge
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prob why texas is closing the gap, you all think you are worth more than you are

tidal bronze
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TX is pert of middle earth. Don't really matter

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Ask Mr Musk about TX lmao.

forest edge
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isn't he busy helping the feds shut down all those bankrupt companies in california? lol

tidal bronze
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TX, yeah right.

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I am sorry. 🤣

forest edge
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imagine with all the fed shut downs there must be a lot of extra room and sure california got desperate to make some deal that will break it's citizens even further so he can have land cheap for many years to come lol

tidal bronze
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Blah blah blah. You were ranting about Tesla moving to TX few years ago. It was a pretty easy move on the stocks to make him come crawling back. Like I tell ATX you gotta talk $$$

prisma briar
forest edge
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your infrastructure is literally held together by tape, tourism is an all time low and taxes are more than what most can afford not to mention the homeless surge continuly rising and your bragging about tesla coming back?

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lol politics

tidal bronze
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@forest edge like I said before you have to pick AK or MD as your sparring partner if you are from Missouri.

forest edge
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lol the need to spar

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you just don't get it

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we're self suffient

tidal bronze
forest edge
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that means as the water starts to rise and you start to sink, i'll still be working in my barn without a care in the world lol

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hell maybe i'll get lucky and be able to be within driving distance to salt water fish

tidal bronze
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Ah that's OK. We will be just fine. Please don't let your heart be troubled.

prisma briar
forest edge
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lol lets count power outages across the us

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please do..

prisma briar
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I've never had a power outage longer than maybe 3 hours where I am

tidal bronze
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Power outage? What's that?

forest edge
prisma briar
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The vast majority of the US enjoys solid power and can make it through winter without worrying that their state's backwards-ass policies will literally leave them out in the cold.

forest edge
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vast mjajority? you need to learn to do some research before casually spewing crap out those cheeks lol

tidal bronze
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Are we talking about this lone star stuff

prisma briar
forest edge
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not exactly hard to do alittle searching

prisma briar
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A little searching on what? Every other state's power grid needs to be hardened against winter conditions but Texas felt they were special and didn't do that.

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Therefore Texas falls apart when it gets to a temperature we experience here 4 months a year.

tidal bronze
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Oh that's why Musk moved. Chills and shit

forest edge
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so you think texas is the only state that experinced power outages during exterme temps?

prisma briar
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It's also not really a good idea to open a business in a state that's using politics to fuck with people so randomly.

prisma briar
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Texas built their power grid separate of the rest of the country

forest edge
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who cares? many states mostly coastal states lose power every year throughout the year for various reasons

prisma briar
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Yea but that doesn't lead to the shitshow it caused in Texas

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Only Texas could turn it into that big of a fuckup

tidal bronze
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@forest edge I got a question for you? Is life so damn boring in Missouri that you have the time to keep tab on all these other developed states day in day out?

forest edge
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no cause states like california are use to being in blackout lol

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which is why it's funny you brought it up

prisma briar
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What? Are you referencing the Enron scandal from the early 2000s?

forest edge
tidal bronze
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Oh no, my life couldn't be better. I have no need for news.

forest edge
#

ostrich

prisma briar
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Most people don't like torturing themselves dewelling on crap they can't reasonably address.

tidal bronze
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Pay my taxes, mind my own business and on to the next.

forest edge
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most people don't brag about something that causes thier state to become even more shitty yet here we are lol

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what a world we live in

tidal bronze
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You don't have to be simple all your life you know.

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Travel a little bit find out what's out there

forest edge
tidal bronze
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That's not a factor in my calculations.

forest edge
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till then, keep your doors locked

tidal bronze
#

Remember I don't lock doors 🤣

prisma briar
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I have an automation that locks my door after 5 minutes of being closed

tidal bronze
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I don't have a smart lock to begin with or any lock for my doors. Never locked anyway

forest edge
tidal bronze
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If your ID is scan ready

forest edge
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you talking about that new drivers license?

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i haven't updated mine

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think that was a requirement at one point, or was it still being pushed back

tidal bronze
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Real ID ? Not that

forest edge
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yea.. i predate that shit lol

clear ferry
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You guys actually replace drivers licences every four years?

glacial knot
#

do you guys use the EU cards? 🤔

clear ferry
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We have the same licences I guess

prisma briar
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It varies from state to state but mine is good for 7 years and I can renew it online

clear ferry
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They used to be valid for 100 years, now it's 15 years

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Or, until your 100th birthday

prisma briar
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I haven't actually got a new photo for my license since I was 18

clear ferry
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I had to get a new one when my licence broke after 20 years

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Couldn't reuse the old picture

prisma briar
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Yea, I think the photo can only be reused once or twice here. I'm going to need to go in next time I renew.

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That's alright, I don't look a whole lot like I did when I was 18 anyways.

clear ferry
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I look mostly the same, just fatter and less hair

prisma briar
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I have way more hair now. I was clean shaven/clean cut back then, now I have a rather untamed beard and my hair is down to my shoulders.

clear ferry
prisma briar
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I do at least comb and clean my hair regularly.

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My beard is probably 2x as long as his too

clear ferry
prisma briar
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I've only trimmed my beard maybe twice since I started my current job in 2017

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Both times for funerals

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And I haven't had a haircut since covid, lol.

glacial knot
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The picture on my driver's license is from when I was 16. It looks nothing like my current self

prisma briar
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They made me get a new picture when I moved from my permit to my full license at 18

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I didn't get my permit until I was already 17 though

glacial knot
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I put in the paperwork for the license some months before my 18th birthday
And it wasn't an entirely fresh picture at the time

umbral cliff
glacial knot
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I suspect I need a new photo when I renew mine

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since that's the only real reasno to have the expire either way

clear ferry
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Btw @prisma briar don't you have to renew it before 2025 anyway due to realID ?

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Or have I misunderstood the concept

prisma briar
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My state has had Real ID for over a decade, I already have one.

clear ferry
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Ah

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I thought it wasn't rolled out until recently

prisma briar
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No, the major upcoming change is that they're going to bar people from being able to fly without them eventually.

clear ferry
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I should order our new national id card, drivers licence isn't valid anymore for government or military bases

prisma briar
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It's already been pushed back 3 or 4 times

glacial knot
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realID? Is that a football thing? Like REal Madrid? 😂

glacial knot
clear ferry
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Yes, but passport doesn't fit in my wallet

glacial knot
#

🤷

prisma briar
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A real id is mostly just a set of anti-counterfeiting/cryptological verification criteria cards need to meet.

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Like have a barcode on the back that can be verified with the state and can't be generated and have holograms and watermarks and stuff

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There's like a wavy pattern on the card and that can be decoded to a verification too

clear ferry
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Same as our drivers licences then

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As pictured above

glacial knot
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wait, does my driver's license have a QR code? o.0

prisma briar
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A lot of people were 'AAAH I DON'T WANT MY ID IN A SYSTEM' when the government tried to roll it out because idiots are loud.

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It's not a QR code, but it is a 2D barcode

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At least on mine, idk if it varies state to state

clear ferry
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Ours is a qr code

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Plus 5 holograms

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Plus a bunch of other stuff

prisma briar
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I was able to register with a colorado state app and scan my ID to be able to pull it up on my phone. Bars and such won't take it but police have to accept it.

clear ferry
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Yeah, we also have digital drivers licences, but only valid in country

prisma briar
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So it's valid for driving with

glacial knot
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mine doesn't have the QR yet. I wonder if that's a revision thing

prisma briar
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Drivers license on left, underage permit or just state ID on the right.

glacial knot
prisma briar
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Our IDs also have a mark on them if you're an organ donor

glacial knot
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🤣 magnet stripes

prisma briar
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They've had magnet stripes on them as far back as I can remember, before they added the 2D barcode

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I haven't seen any place use them in a long time though, nowdays people just scan the barcode with a phone

tardy pasture
prisma briar
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My first license wasn't a realid but every one since has been

clear ferry
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I've never seen a driver's license with magnet strip

balmy bough
prisma briar
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There's also a UV mark on my license, a little spot that glows green.

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Not in that photo

tardy pasture
balmy bough
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Hmm, i thought Maine was the only state without Real ID requirement

clear ferry
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What our drivers licence looked like before 1997

tardy pasture
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I think it's required now, it just wasn't required then

clear ferry
prisma briar
balmy bough
clear ferry
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The 50 discombobulated states of America

balmy bough
#

stop pissing on the US atx

prisma briar
#

That's like calling all of Europe discombobulated

clear ferry
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We aren't a united country, we just have some rules in common

prisma briar
clear ferry
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And Norway isn't even part of that outside of trade

glacial knot
clear ferry
glacial knot
# clear ferry

I'd have to ask if they had to replace it by now, but I know someone that still used their License signed in Hitlers name until 10 years ago

prisma briar
tardy pasture
clear ferry
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Yes

balmy bough
clear ferry
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Yet refusals

prisma briar
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A lot of people have a general distrust of the government.

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More warranted in some cases than others.

clear ferry
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We find that a bit strange in Norway at least

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Unsure about Germany @glacial knot

prisma briar
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I think the absurd thing is that they think this random line in the sand means anything.

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It just seems like such a random and off the mark gesture

balmy bough
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i personally don't dislike the Real ID, i just don't like who has access to the stored information

clear ferry
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We do dislike it when our data is sent to the us, that is for sure, and most companies will refuse to use services that share data or store data in the US, especially financial and health data

prisma briar
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Some liquor stores around here used to have cameras pointing down at the counter and the clerk would lay the ID flat under it. It wasn't universal so I don't think it was a requirement but they had all the same information doing that.

clear ferry
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Yikes

prisma briar
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Most people in the US just don't seem to understand privacy

glacial knot
prisma briar
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Yea, that always irritated me too. They hate the one thing that might actually sometimes try to help them far more than the thousands of things hell bent on enslaving them

balmy bough
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i don't hate all the government, just the corrupt ones... 😉

prisma briar
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So many people decide 'Fuck it, the whole thing is corrupt' and try to get in the way of everything because they don't want to put the effort in to see if something is actually beneficial or not.

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Or anything beneficial gets 20 harmful things tacked on

glacial knot
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What remains after removing the corrupt ones? Dictatorships, because they are design to be that way? ;'D

clear ferry
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And the monarchy

prisma briar
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I don't think a monarchy would have ever been able to keep control of the US at a national level.

glacial knot
#

The effective rule of Monarchies was federated as well

prisma briar
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Yea, are there any absolute monarchies anymore?

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That aren't shitholes at least

clear ferry
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The only thing our king does is veto obscene stuff and constitute the government when a new is elected

prisma briar
#

I'm pretty sure most european royalty is little more than fancy holdings companies now

glacial knot
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some still have official powers. But it's one of those situations where they only have them until they use them

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Was it Australia that recently removed some crown powers because their official tried to use them? Not entirely sure

umbral cliff
#

I think we removed some powers
Wasn't because they tried to use them

prisma briar
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Australia's under the UK monarchy

umbral cliff
#

The governor general basically doesn't do anything except stamp legislation anyway

finite atlas
umbral cliff
prisma briar
balmy bough
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me?

prisma briar
#

No, Oberfail's addition to what you said.

finite atlas
glacial knot
#

yea, assuming any system is perfect (especially when it includes humans, power and profits) is the iffy attitude

prisma briar
umbral cliff
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Guessing in the next decade we will have a vote to become a republic, who knows whether it will pass

glacial knot
#

yea. Technically has to sign the law, but if he doesn't he gets replaced and soon after the position gets removed. Great power

prisma briar
#

So much of the 'corruption' people whine about in the US is just political funds being spent on things they don't agree with.

umbral cliff
glacial knot
umbral cliff
glacial knot
#

extra steps. But what's your impression on the chances of the referendum if it's called because the crown actually takes influence to block the democratic process?

umbral cliff
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Also hard to fight a democratic output given the results are posted for everyone to see clear as day

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Bigger thing is that people will vote no on a referendum because it will end up being a waste of money and time to basically have what we have today

clear ferry
glacial knot
# prisma briar So much of the 'corruption' people whine about in the US is just political funds...

I see your point, but I don't see it as a "so much". Though there's a high chance that's by the pre-selector of the communities I engage with.

I usually see it around lobbying, either via "personal" goodies that might be normal for some upper crusts but are still essentially gifts to the politicians, or more indirect via company or campaign contributions where the exact correlation of do they support the ideas that fit them, or do the politicians hold those ideas to gain that support in the first place is very questionable
And even if someone doesn't take money, the access to talk to someone over a dinner alone is way more influential than the power any other single person has by vote

green inlet
#

Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely

dusky plank
#

raspberry pis are very powerful

iron granite
red rock
rocky sandal
#

where may I find help to config the Zoom api for Zoom HACS integration?

silent doveBOT
#
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clever mortar
#

But... linking to the GitHub repo will help people answer the question

clear ferry
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Passed my VCAP deploy

balmy bough
#

hey @clear ferry , my sister is traveling to Norway later this year to visit a friend. anything she should know?

red rock
#

did you tell her to stay away from him?

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just to be safe

finite atlas
balmy bough
#

i am not sure she will be the one driving...

clear ferry
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Shit expensive for muricans

glacial knot
#

don't try to rely on American Express CCs

clear ferry
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Yeah, don't do that anywhere that isn't America

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Had french taxi drivers refuse me with amex

iron granite
#

In Germany they often don't even accept any credit card smile

glacial knot
#

I know only one place here that's still doing that

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and that's the furniture store. Where you clearly never have larger items 😂

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but yea, local shops prefer EC, which is the same convenience, but a local system

prisma briar
#

The US has a debit card system like that. Can be treated as cash if used with a pin, far lower fees. I try to stick with Visa though, better consumer protections.

red rock
#

We have EU laws that protect us 🙂

glacial knot
#

anyways, tips for American's here, tip 50%
not that it's expected, but you don't know 😂

prisma briar
clear ferry
glacial knot
#

vendors pay the fees

clear ferry
#

So we don't have to then smile

steel crag
#

And lots of folk live in Florida

prisma briar
steel crag
#

Their shit goes off as much as ours does

late gate
#

I need to use some remote controls / dimmers (fibaro wallie as I have a bunch of them) to control the light, but the issue is the light is smart bulb so direct connection with cable wont work. Of course the fibaro will go into alarm mode since its not restriction of the out port, so I put a fibaro bypass between dimmer out and N-in, and that cleared the alarm, and let me adjust the options. But that is just about 4w. Is 4W enough to not damage enaything, or does it exist bigger load resistors that maybe is also made for "fake dimming"?

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this would apply to all dimmers

last cedar
red rock
#

Cute

prisma briar
dusky plank
winged obsidian
#

We have EU laws that protect us 🙂

steel crag
#

I have upgraded the pigeons to nitrous oxide, and upgraded their pistons and crankshafts, they are now much faster

glacial knot
#

thanks

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I hope you send them to Venice as agreed

steel crag
#

I don't have any websites to visit in Venice tho

iron granite
#

Ohhh... you got speedbirds

steel crag
#

yup

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but the pigeon union has limited me to 50Gb of fast bird transfer

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apparently they die too quickly or something

glacial knot
#

do you actually have a 50GB datacap?

steel crag
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well it's better than what I had before

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no data cap but 50gb would take 63 months

glacial knot
#

I think that's my daily use at times...

steel crag
#

it's less than half my daily use normally

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but now I can annoy people on discord at high speed

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but hey, progress is slow sometimes

tidal bronze
steel crag
#

Yeah by throttling they mean turn you off

forest edge
prisma briar
#

Packet drop?

tidal bronze
#

I think total is 1.2gb link now

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And now it's pushback to park no more wifi after 10k ft

forest edge
#

i hear they still make those mini pocket games...

tidal bronze
#

Haven't turned on a in flight display in years, so don't know. 😀

forest edge
tidal bronze
#

Lmao. 2023 is actually a great year for inflight connectivity. Laptop 5g seamlessly switches to wifi once on board and back to 5g once lands. I couldn't ask for more

forest edge
#

you could always make yourself a sock puppet and brag to it about how great cali is and finally get to experience what it's like to brag to someone about the state that completely agrees with your unrealistic opinions on the subject

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rotf

tidal bronze
#

I know deep down you freakin wish you lived here. Sorry my man. Geographical issues 🤣

glacial knot
#

ah yes, geographically challenged people

tidal bronze
#

Time to get some bucatini going with shrimp.

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orchid rose
#

You grow your own pasta too?

tidal bronze
#

No fresh pasta from the Italian store.

low harness
#

Surprising. That's the first place I'd look...

prisma briar
#

You didn't get it off the local spaghetti tree?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti-tree_hoax

Spaghetti-tree hoax

The spaghetti-tree hoax was a three-minute hoax report broadcast on April Fools' Day 1957 by the BBC current-affairs programme Panorama, purportedly showing a family in southern Switzerland harvesting spaghetti from the family "spaghetti tree". At the time spaghetti was relatively unknown in the UK, so many British people were unaware that it is...

red rock
tidal bronze
steel crag
low harness
#

Ramen!

tidal bronze
#

Time for some Mango with tajin

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steel crag
#

we just did some mango with goat peppers, habaneros, and bird peppers.... so good

tidal bronze
#

So thankful for these sellers. I get mango and tajin on top or pineapple + mango with tajin, bliss

steel crag
#

the guys in Miami are usually loaded to the teeth with mangos

red rock
#

The irony

steel crag
#

LMFAO

#

that's classic

static schooner
#

That could be a robot

red rock
#

Imagine them running a robot

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and then distracting the clerk

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and that robot just enters the mall

orchid rose
tidal bronze
iron granite
red rock
#

HAHAHA

#

I had my door open to get some fresh air while playing counterstrike

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And my roomba was running at the same time

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And at some point I was like, can we get a technical pause? I think my roomba is entering the hallway

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And the rest was like, what the hell

steel crag
#

I think my cats would totally destroy one of those

solar zealot
#

how big are those cats 😮

daring jolt
#

this banner is kinda funny
(for context: click the gif picker and search for "triggered")

image.png
steel crag
#

the chubby girl sitting on it and riding it while making a vehicular assault on the others is what I'm afraid of

solar zealot
#

i kinda was hoping for images of those kittens

steel crag
#

oh that I can do in a bit

solar zealot
#

Luckily people be creating ai so we can have pictures of cats whenever we need them

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Tho the results are still a bit uncanny

winged obsidian
#

When searching for it, you do have to phrase carefully

solar zealot
#

It knows what you did

daring jolt
daring jolt
iron granite
tidal bronze
clear ferry
red rock
#

Yes

balmy bough
#

Good morning ☕

clear ferry
red rock
#

Heyo

steel crag
#

Sup

red rock
#

Still laying in bed oops

steel crag
#

I got up for water

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Considering going back

red rock
#

I did exactly that

#

Ate some yoghurt and went back

clear ferry
#

Kids these days

red rock
#

I mean, I have no obligations to do

#

The only thing that gets me out of bed these days is home assistant

gloomy blade
#

Low odds but anyone know of a t12 cartridge based soldering station that also takes a hot air blower? Everything I've found is either-or and I'm still debating whether to take a dremel to my ksger and ground it properly.

steel crag
steel crag
red rock
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I have to write a thesis

steel crag
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and other things 😉

balmy bough
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all i have to do is take the trash to the landfill...

steel crag
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im supposed to be wrangling data but my eyes are tired and my CTS is flaring up

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also curious to see what my test HA is doing on my VM at work

swift dirge
steel crag
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How did you get a pic of my cats in the future

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Sorcery

iron granite
solar zealot
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i love how solar stuff raises the grid voltage significantly

glacial knot
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voltage? o.0 that doesn't sound healthy

clear ferry
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Poor converting or isolation it sounds like

solar zealot
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it does seem to allign at least

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clear ferry
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Pretty useless graph without numbers

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Is the peak to peak 0.1v or 10v

solar zealot
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"nice crop"

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there ya go

Screenshot_1284.png
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it should still be within range

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but weird how little it needs

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well, realistically its a sum of every pv in the area but still kool to know

clear ferry
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That is outside tolerance of most things I would say, as most stuff is rated for 240

solar zealot
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grid variance should allow for 230+-10%

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which is weird as thats about 50v

glacial knot
#

oh, in your house only? That makes more sense

solar zealot
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yes

balmy bough
#

my grid is around 243-244v average, though much less on hot days, when a lot of people are running A/C

glacial knot
#

I still need to get one of the power monitors at some point...

gloomy blade
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That's a lot better than what I get. Anywhere from nearly 200 on up to 250.

balmy bough
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i monitor using the GenMon software for my standby generator. it just lets me see what the grid voltage is running at.

clear ferry
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My house peaks at around 235 in winter if it is -35c outside, and usually 225ish all summer

balmy bough
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my town has a solar farm, so that could be the reason

solar zealot
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a bit sad that the shelly does not provide a sum for the channels

gloomy blade
balmy bough
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i haven't put a oscilloscope on the power supply, but it could be spikey

gloomy blade
#

Judging by how my UPS goes on and off like a strobe light some days I'm betting mine is.

solar zealot
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what kinda country is this

gloomy blade
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Middle east. I'm also in a building old enough we don't have our own bomb shelters in each apartment.

solar zealot
#

sounds like a lot of aircon is required

steel crag
#

I have a voltage regulator before my UPS units

gloomy blade
#

It's less bad than florida actually, if my computer didn't heat up this room so much I probably would use it a lot less.

steel crag
#

I also don't have my own bomb shelters because 4ft underground is water

gloomy blade
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I'd say that sounds like Florida but 4 feet is way too deep for that.

balmy bough
#

no bomb shelter here either, and i hope i never need one...

steel crag
#

The Bahamas

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better to be a warrior in a garden

gloomy blade
#

How's the mosquitoes and internet there? I don't get too many here and they're hooking me up with fiber monday.

steel crag
#

many, and great if you can pay for it

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I just upgraded my IPoAC setup that I use for internet

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the pigeons now have nitrous

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they started the fiber deployment in the rich gated communities

solar zealot
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ipoac? isnt that just grown up poe :^)

steel crag
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they said it would be in my area Q1 2023, it is now Q3 and their latest update on timeline is 'we don't know'

steel crag
solar zealot
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oh that

gloomy blade
#

Don't forget HTTP 418 for the brits

steel crag
#

im a teapot

gloomy blade
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Hi teapot nice to meet you

steel crag
glacial knot
#

Better than 451

steel crag
#

if my teapot is unvailable for legal reasons I have bigger issues

balmy bough
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my grandfather used to refer to a man's... appendage, as a teapot... kinda gives new meaning 😉

gloomy blade
#

So this could double as the error code returned by adult content filtering services for him then

steel crag
#

remember the 'describe your love life in HTTP error codes' joke?

balmy bough
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404 🤣

steel crag
#

204 describes mine perfectly

glacial knot
#

417

gloomy blade
#

504

balmy bough
glacial knot
balmy bough
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lol

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as long as nobody is 403...

gloomy blade
#

Work scheduling vs commies invading the funhouse

umbral cliff
#

Wonder if there's a dark side of the internet where 418 would work

glacial knot
#

wdym where it would work?

gloomy blade
#

yknow this is ironic... I just bought a pretty decent dsl modem/router so I didn't have to keep renting from my ISP and basically right after I return theirs they offer a sweetheart deal for fiber hookup with no installation cost

umbral cliff
gloomy blade
#

and media converters are basically as expensive as a new router once you factor in the cost of the SFP module

umbral cliff
steel crag
#

it's called 'buy our crap'

steel crag
umbral cliff
#

Here I just have a ONT which sits on my wall, plug in any router I want and job done

gloomy blade
#

Nah for 1 euro a month for the first year they're giving me an AX5400 and SFP module.

glacial knot
umbral cliff
gloomy blade
#

They do like to earn that 5 euros a month in modem rentals but they usually give you a pretty dang good one.

balmy bough
#

in my area, fiber is provided by a bad company (terrible customer service), so i have just cable internet 😦

umbral cliff
#

Surely the extra speeds are worth it over customer service

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How often are you talking to your ISP?

glacial knot
#

Fiber would net me 0 difference in down speed

balmy bough
#

back when we had their DSL, a lot.

glacial knot
#

though I'd appreciate more up

gloomy blade
# umbral cliff How often are you talking to your ISP?

When I lived in the states I was having multi-hour support calls multiple times a week for the better part of a year until they finally sent me a greybeard who didnt just blame my surge protector or UPS (that wasnt even hooked up to the line) for our issues.

umbral cliff
#

I think I did once after I first signed up to ask them to unblock port forwarding for me and also to ensure I was on a static IP

gloomy blade
#

People I know over here have fairly regular outages and the usual overselling and underprovisioning too, which they have to complain about regularly. Or billing shenanigans.

glacial knot
#

static IP 🤦‍♂️

umbral cliff
glacial knot
gloomy blade
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The argument is it's a security risk. The response is anyone who's doing a drive by would've hit you anyway and anyone targeting you specifically is going to get you anyway

glacial knot
umbral cliff
clear ferry
#

Static IP is pretty useless, unless you are running mailservers

umbral cliff
#

I'm not fussed

gloomy blade
steel crag
#

my ISP gave me the same IP for 4 years and it wasn't even static

umbral cliff
steel crag
#

my router just stays up longer than most anyone elses

glacial knot
#

CGNAT 🤢

umbral cliff
steel crag
umbral cliff
glacial knot
#

depends on the specific implementation of the NAT

gloomy blade
#

For me it's convenient for work, I get to skip the glitchy VPN software.

balmy bough
#

i host my website, and i have a dynamic IP

clear ferry
#

I've been hosting stuff on dynamic IP for 25 years, never had issues

glacial knot
#

having more inbetweens for STUN can break it more often, forcing you onto TURN for graceful or just graceless non-service

gloomy blade
#

and also the only way out of CGNAT. Plus it comes by default with being one of their "professional lines" instead of a normal consumer line. Costs a bit more up front but I've had basically no outages and I get my full bandwidth even during peak hours.

steel crag
umbral cliff
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I got static IP free for 2 years
There was no downside to taking it

Plus works for me with want I do, can whitelist my specific IP for certain services, and lazy DNS records too

dusky plank
#

I didn‘t even request a static ip and have the same for > 10 years now

glacial knot
#

also, I had an amazing experience iwth STUN at work
the servers it tried ot use for the external entity were not external enough and saw an internal IP of one side =.=

dusky plank
#

Which.. also has its downsides ofc

steel crag
#

yeah I had mine 4 years before I couldn't afford it

red rock
gloomy blade
#

If we could all just switch to ipv6 already we could all go back to static IPs too

umbral cliff
#

I also just realised I get a static /48 of IPv6 by default too

I really should learn more how to expose IPv6 stuff lol

dusky plank
#

My isp doesn‘t do v6 yet

glacial knot
dusky plank
#

Forest cities, you know

umbral cliff
gloomy blade
glacial knot
#

what kinda stone age ISPs...

dusky plank
umbral cliff
glacial knot
#

I have fruit as well 🍏

steel crag
gloomy blade
glacial knot
steel crag
glacial knot
#

But yea, D-T sucks hard =.=

steel crag
#

but I have a couple hundred feet on a roll 😉

glacial knot
#

but they do get v6 right 😂

umbral cliff
gloomy blade
#

I've had to work with DT on a professional level before, I can see them being... Particular. about things.

steel crag
#

ummm excuse me sir but I'll be getting gigabit fiber shortly

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I'm just trying to pay off my bill cuz I didn't pay it for 4 months or so and they turned me off

dusky plank
#

Austrian telecom is the same shitshow as german, its only the local city isps which provide fiber since something 2k10

glacial knot
#

yea, the large cities all have one of those

gloomy blade
#

We're getting up to 5gbit fiber here with all the competititon since infra and service are separate companies. Even I had to pass on that, I don't even have anything that can do that at home.

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It's actually not a bad idea to improve competition at both levels. You can switch your infrastructure company OR your ISP, or get a combo-deal for convenience.

glacial knot
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yea, I only really have gbit for legacy reasons at this point

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it was useful with my old job, but now it's pretty useless

steel crag
#

you can technically get 10gig fiber here

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buuuuuut

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you're gonna need to be exceptionally wealthy to afford it

glacial knot
#

I know people that did lay their private fibre line

dusky plank
#

or you make your own isp

glacial knot
#

it was a cheap 50k€ to do so

steel crag
#

well you just rent dark fiber to do it here

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but the cost is ..... woooooooooooooo

dusky plank
#

sounds like a new job krazie, provide some new pidgeons yourself

steel crag
#

'new'? I ran an ISP for 17 years LMFAO

umbral cliff
#

How many pigeons was that

dusky plank
#

yes. its new 🤬

umbral cliff
#

Must've been hard to keep them all tamed

steel crag
#

many

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the problem was discarded packets

dusky plank
#

did your old isp provideo 10gbit? I don't think so! you'd have to be

exceptionally wealthy

steel crag
#

no, it was 11mbit mostly

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LMFAO

dusky plank
#

see

steel crag
#

it was a wisp

dusky plank
#

new opportunities

balmy bough
#

for me, 2Gig fiber is $85 per month 😱

steel crag
#

throws stones in your general direction

glacial knot
#

full duplex symmetric?

steel crag
#

I get 50gb data capped LTE for $75 a month

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lol

gloomy blade
#

as in 50 gigs of data, or as in 50 gigabits speed

balmy bough
steel crag
balmy bough
#

it says "The fastest 2-Gig speeds for both uploads and downloads"

dusky plank
#

orders 2 gbit with austrian telecom

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ends up with 40kbit/s

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thats how we roll here

gloomy blade
steel crag
umbral cliff
steel crag
#

i get no respect.

glacial knot
#

you may, your internet doesn't

steel crag
red rock
#

Loool

gloomy blade
#

My first thought was Curly

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"No reshpect. No reshpect at all. Wooowooowoooo"

red rock
#

Like we want to give you more respect, but you've gone over the fair use policy for this month

steel crag
umbral cliff
steel crag
#

im gonna pull an atx, love yuck 🤮

steel crag
umbral cliff
#

It's whatever you want it to be lmao

steel crag
#

eh tu, Cal? Eh tu?

swift dirge
#

(living in a major city is handy)

bright cradle
dusky plank
#

wifi coverage is excellent in most asian hostels, the problem here is that people don't know better and often times chain double NATs and the underlying networks themselves don't work rubber_duck oh and wifi meshes are unknown to them. its hotelname $i every day

late gate
#

when I lived i the philippines wrote I contract with PLDT (the largest tele company) I wanted a public IP, but ended up with CGNAT, in a local range that I could even ping other customers. When I confronted them, they just shrug and said we cannot help you sir, this is an ip

dim depot
clever mortar
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They've been working on that for a while now, refreshing the look and feel

orchid rose
#

a bit too "mobily" for my taste, but that's what everyone uses these days anyway

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tfw 70% of my ultrawide is just white 😢

dim depot
silent doveBOT
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dim depot
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ok, sorry

clever mortar
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No worries, it just stops you drowning the channel in pointless previews

dim depot
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ok

clever mortar
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(and saves me from manually removing them 😄 )

dim depot
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👍

orchid rose
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only raccoon embeds are allowed around here

finite atlas
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