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glacial knot
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it's amazing how bad some people are at what you'd think is their job

clear ferry
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Yes

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I once had a 20 year experience Unix administrator look over my shoulder asking what commands i was running to troubleshoot a storage issue

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When I had worked with it for 3

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And it wasn't my daily job

last cedar
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If I were to replace my old V70 it would have to be a T6 or T8 V90 at a guess, or a V60 perhaps (too small but really prefer how it looks), but I don't have that sort of cash lying around 🙂

clear ferry
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I too prefer the look of the v60 over the v90

last cedar
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I would definately want at least a hybrid, but a full electric would be perfect for me

dusky plank
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@tender jewel I'm awake again. what is going on? catdrama

clear ferry
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Polestar 2 is shite

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The original is alright

last cedar
clear ferry
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Ex90 looks cool

last cedar
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Mmm looks as cool as my house, because they cost the same :/

clear ferry
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Lål

last cedar
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I am happy I have the octavia as a works car, it basically costs nothing

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And the old octavia still works

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But new stuff is always nice haha

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And most of my journeys would be basically free with it being hybrid

clear ferry
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Brb drive around Europe to pick up @last cedar @glacial knot @dusky plank @finite atlas @hearty depot and @orchid rose because I have six passenger seats

dusky plank
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when are we going to pick up @forest edge ? we could (force-)show him non-america

clear ferry
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He's seen it all on TV already, and Europe doesn't scale like Murica

glacial knot
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sounds good. Where are we going?

clear ferry
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To visit @opaque girder and drink ouzu

dusky plank
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*ouzouzuzo

clear ferry
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Kalispera!

dusky plank
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I bet he's not home 😄

clear ferry
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Probably out conquering Persia

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Fighting Darius the third

finite atlas
clear ferry
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Yaaas, the sound system costs as much as Michelle's house

last cedar
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Do I need to wear a seatbelt???

clear ferry
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You can sit in a booster

last cedar
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As long as I can do this

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Re: octavia discussed earlier

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One of the office workers has a brand new kia ev6.....

Something we technicians are not even allowed to order

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Pisses me off

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I wasn't allowed to order a V60 T6 either would have had thay at least 1 year by now

clear ferry
last cedar
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There were 2 ev6....

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Amazing that the cars the nice office people can order are available

clear ferry
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Yuck office people

last cedar
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Exactly

clear ferry
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In the only employee in Norway who hasn't signed the home office contact I think

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Yet i still work 100% home office

last cedar
last cedar
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Like me

clear ferry
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Yes, upper class peasant

trim hollow
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Gave up on this whole 'owning your car' thing 5 years ago already. Just leasing one by the hour whenever needed.

glacial knot
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How often do you need a car?

trim hollow
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Once a month, perhaps. But we live pretty central in a city with good public transit system (Stockholm, that is).

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Maybe if we owned a car we would use it more than once a month, but since we don't have one we do all "weekly family food shopping" etc online instead. So it's not totally black and white.

glacial knot
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I need one once a week
Where need is, I'd be stuck away from home for a couple hours without D:

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Couple other times it's only convenient

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I never did weekly shopping when I lived in a city
Just grabbed stuff for the next 2 days on my way home

clear ferry
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I used to drive 40000km a year, now I do roughly 25

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With two kids

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And i live in the. Countryside

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Cheap houses, cheap expenses

glacial knot
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I drive like half that :probsLUL:
But I also use trains when I go longer distances. Or someone else's car whistle

trim hollow
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Yeah right now we'll stay put here for the next few years at least, as it's absolutely the best choice for our son's school. But yeah, working 100% remote anyways at least I could be living somewhere much cheaper as well so let's see how things turn out.

clear ferry
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I'm considering moving up north still

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Buy an old farm or large land

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Just need the wife to become 100% remote

glacial knot
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you just want half a year of winter D:

clear ferry
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I would like that

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Preferably 9 mounts

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Vorsprung durch technik

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Buy an old quattro

finite atlas
clear ferry
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Oh nice, my new internet provider will be connecting me on November 3rd

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Those who know,know

glacial knot
clear ferry
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I want FMA to be rereleased in 4k

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FMA > FMAB

cedar chasm
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sadness at the doggy

clear ferry
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Here I thought you were dead @cedar chasm

glacial knot
cedar chasm
clear ferry
cedar chasm
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Yes, that is my 'oh right I need to keep up appearances' face,

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No but seriously, always love lurking in off-topic

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you are all a hoot

clear ferry
glacial knot
cedar chasm
low harness
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It's FMA and Futurama. I want my wife to watch them, but then there's "the one with the dog"...

scenic radish
clear ferry
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I told my wife we could watch Grave Of The Fireflies

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We didn't finish it

orchid rose
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imagine having feels

dusky plank
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youtube sponsorblock adds a weird glow around the videos for me,
if anybody has the same, this ublock rule gets rid of it:
www.youtube.com###primary #cinematics

last cedar
trim hollow
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Thanks, in that case I know whom to vote for when I get my citizenship 😂

forest edge
brazen fable
glacial knot
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"google's"

prisma briar
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Lol at that website

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Just set up a second ssid or ap for your IoT devices if you don't want them connected to the internet. A cheap-o router for that would probably be the same price as a hue bridge.

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Like, it's a reasonable concern but the solution isn't to just forsake the entire protocol, lol.

dusky plank
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I am furious yet again!

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stop Matter!

glacial knot
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buy a usable router 😂

dusky plank
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i'm just shit talking, as always

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have to replace my homepods though when matter comes

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there's no sense in them running in the iot vlan

glacial knot
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don't expect anything else from an Australian like you

clear ferry
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Did someone say regular users won't care, tiktok steals all their data anyway, and any user who cares will just block it in their firewall

forest edge
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your name, address cc info and likes/dislikes has already been gathered for years now. what else could anyone really give them?

umbral cliff
dusky plank
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oh lol stupid me. it did not appear in other browsers for me though 😛

umbral cliff
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Probably Google's a/b testing

finite atlas
forest edge
clear ferry
dusky plank
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What is going on

clear ferry
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And they gave him command of a nuclear submarine

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sent him back

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in search of the garden of eden

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Can't you see @dusky plank ?

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It all makes perfect sense

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expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence

forest edge
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can't you see

silent doveBOT
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@prisma briar I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
prisma briar
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^ My Halloween decoration

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Stupid bot, now I can't edit my message to update the code.

dusky plank
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Good bot

brazen fable
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This looks interesting

umbral cliff
brazen fable
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Just don't use the wifi

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5head

forest edge
umbral cliff
umbral cliff
scenic radish
forest edge
umbral cliff
forest edge
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it was a pain, and for anyone brand new it was a deterrence which is kind of silly

dusky plank
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everyone posting over 15 lines should just straight up get banned

forest edge
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do the threads get neutered?

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i never looked

dusky plank
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the 👍 in the message does not make it better 😄

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forum is what threads should have been

forest edge
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the forum thing is kind of neat

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I run that in another server

forest edge
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I don't go on twitter but some of the youtube vids of the celebrities bailing after the elon takeover is funny

prisma briar
forest edge
clear ferry
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Jesus fucking Christ

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I flinched

dusky plank
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does this still work for you? I'm in browser dc but can't search images :/

discord-search-media-0.png
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oh its translated

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hat: red_hat

clear ferry
finite atlas
clear ferry
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Damn norwegians!

finite atlas
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how dare people have their own life outside of wörk

prisma briar
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The amount people here try to work is absurd.

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I walked from a job once because they kept yelling at me for not working 55 hours a week minimum. My position was only supposed to be 40 and the only reason they needed me to work more was because they couldn't retain anyone.

clear ferry
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Lol

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I used to work 60+ h weeks, but all paid overtime, now I currently work 8h, when I worked more than 40 a week HR and federal government would always be telling me to stop please

prisma briar
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They started interviewing people on my team asking if I'd ever done anything inappropriate or stolen or anything, basically fishing for something to harass me over. My coworkers at the time let me know. I went and signed up to drive Uber to hold me over until I found another job and quit.

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Did Uber for like 2 months. It was interesting.

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I did 60 hours a week for a couple years when I was hourly/getting overtime right out of college.

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Mostly to pay the absurd rent prices where I am.

clear ferry
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I'm going back to 32h in January when I'm doing less paternity leave

prisma briar
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That's what I put in most weeks now.

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Sometimes more but not often.

clear ferry
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Effective work is usually somewhere around 20h

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Plus some overtime and travel, but very little

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Used to have 5-700h overtime a year, now I earn more and have 100

prisma briar
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I travel like once a year for work.

clear ferry
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Before I did paternity leave I used to do once a month or so

prisma briar
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They wanted me to fly out to their headquarters this year for a Christmas party but thankfully they cancelled it.

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I wasn't looking forward to hanging out in a hotel for 3-4 days just so I could go to a 2 hour company event.

clear ferry
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I'm still waiting for the wife to get a 100% remote job so we can move remote up north and live cheap PTSD

prisma briar
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I like being remote. I hated working at the office.

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I was the only person on my team in our regional office out where I am, I literally just sat in a room by myself all day talking to people in virtual meetings.

glacial knot
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I love the mix

prisma briar
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I wouldn't have minded going in as much if it wasn't so boring.

glacial knot
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yea, I have my entire squad in the office, and we can do our meetings offline 😮

prisma briar
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'Here, sit in this plain white room with three monitors and a webcam staring at you all day. Have fun.'

clear ferry
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I'm in the office once a month or so, just for cake mostly

glacial knot
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also, 3meals a day + snacks 🙂

clear ferry
prisma briar
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We always had food in our break room at work available to make whenever and they ordered catering once a week

glacial knot
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don't have to pay in the office 🤷

clear ferry
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As long a single meal is less than $70 there is no extra justifications

glacial knot
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at home? o.0

clear ferry
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Yes, or driving around, or in the office, or flying

glacial knot
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huh, cool. I don't get any allowance at home 😮
While driving or flying it's 80€/d or legal minimum (which can be higher)

prisma briar
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The stupidest thing I was told was that I couldn't work remote so I could help teach and train up another department I have nothing to do with while the rest of my team worked out of a different building 2 miles from the headquarters because they didn't want to be with everyone else.

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Thankfully Covid fixed that

clear ferry
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When I did a lot of overtime I brought home take away for me and the wife 4 times a week on company bill yuckcat

prisma briar
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The mental disconnect of telling me that I needed to be at the office so other teams could benefit while every single other person on my team was working miles away from the nearest person on another technical team was rather astounding.

clear ferry
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I love how American employers seem to think employees don't work when they are home

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I can't see you

prisma briar
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I have to pretend to work less, but I still probably work about the same. Maybe a little more since I don't mind hanging out 20 minutes late at the end of the day anymore.

clear ferry
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I definitely work more, because I don't have to do 4h commute where I can't work

umbral cliff
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I'm glad that as much as my project at work is eh, we're only expected to work 7.5hrs a day, managed ourselves not someone time watching, so if you need to leave early you can just make up the hours

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Dont like no wfh but at least people in the office are entertaining

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Office politics makes for some good reality drama to watch instead of work

prisma briar
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The commute to my office sucked. It was ~60km one way to my office directly across Denver from where I was living at the time. It was generally 60-90 minutes one way to get to and from work.

clear ferry
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Exactly

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In winter storms I could use 5-6h one way to customers

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Or the office...

prisma briar
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My company always let us WFH when the weather was bad.

glacial knot
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I got ~90min door to door
but about 80 of that is on a train. So I just read, or work and spend less time on other days

clear ferry
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Not an option when the storm comes after you got in already 9ACOSP_CryPepeIgnore

prisma briar
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There was literally no reason ever for them to not let us to WFH, so to force us to come in when it's actually a hazard would be rather unforgivable.

glacial knot
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on that note, atx go read Frieren. It's comfy

prisma briar
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I'd head home when I saw the first flake and sign back on when I got home.

clear ferry
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I have 45m door to door to the office with car, 70 by train roughly

prisma briar
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I tried taking the train in 3 times, there was a stop like 1km from my house and maybe 100m from my work building. Each time the train broke down and I had to call an uber to get in.

clear ferry
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Lol

prisma briar
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Denver's public transit is pathetically underfunded.

clear ferry
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Can't be worse than Atlanta

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That was horrid

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Sidewalks were hardly even usable

umbral cliff
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I have about 10-15 minutes door to door for my commute lol, maybe 20 if I leave later for the office and it's raining, etc

prisma briar
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Denver got sued a couple years ago because our sidewalks were in disrepair to the point that wheelchairs couldn't get around.

umbral cliff
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Bus is about 30 including waiting times. Still convenient I'm just lazy and prefer my car

prisma briar
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I've never been to Atlanta though.

clear ferry
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I had to jaywalk in Atlanta, in front of a police car

prisma briar
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If my commute to work was only 20 minutes I'd probably go in more often.

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I live 130km from work now so screw ever going in now.

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I moved to a cheaper area when I went full remote.

clear ferry
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I currently live 65km, if I move where I want it will be 1400km

prisma briar
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I've been considering taking a road trip and just working from my car/starbucks/a park bench during the day.

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Drive around for a month then come home

clear ferry
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I like the digital nomad idea

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Have a customer doing that now, moving to Panama

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Supporting VMware installs all around the world

glacial knot
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I want to do that for vacation
Go somewhere for 2 weeks vacation, work 1 or two weeks from there, then another week of vacation before I go home

prisma briar
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I wasn't really planning on leaving the US, mostly because of how far it would be to drive out of the country.

clear ferry
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Had a customer want me for one day a week onsite in Luxembourg for six months, told them no thanks, that is too much travel for one day

umbral cliff
glacial knot
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ehh, I'd like to just live like locals for a week or two

prisma briar
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Heh, closest international border to me is 1500km away.

glacial knot
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like, not somewhere in europe. Thinking of Japan, or SEA

prisma briar
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New Zealand always seemed like a nice country to visit.

glacial knot
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Next border is like 200km I think

umbral cliff
clear ferry
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I'm gonna start working more out towards Europe now though, but mostly remote, i might do some days in UK or Germany and stuff and combine it with vacation

umbral cliff
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I think I can reach the coast in about 200-300km. Then fuck loads ocean to NZ

glacial knot
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if you end up in Munich, ping me

clear ferry
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I've been to NZ for a month

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Nice country

umbral cliff
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I want to visit

clear ferry
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I love Munchen airport

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But I prefer Schiphol

umbral cliff
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Can be next year's travel

prisma briar
clear ferry
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It was 36h flight for me to NZ if I remember correctly

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Tromsø - Oslo - Copenhagen - Bangkok - Sydney - Auckland

glacial knot
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is there anything special about MUC? o.0

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it's kinda small D:

clear ferry
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The design is good

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Better than Frankfurt

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And fuck Charles de Gaulle

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French airports are generally horrible

glacial knot
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.s/airports// D:

clear ferry
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You aren't wrong

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They have some good cheeses though

glacial knot
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planes are nice, they allow us to get to Spain without touching French ground 😄

finite atlas
glacial knot
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cheese 🤢

prisma briar
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US airports are generally void of any meaningful personality or discernability. They generally suck if they're really busy but otherwise never rise above the mundane.

clear ferry
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I've only been to JFK, Newark and Atlanta, JFK was my favorite

prisma briar
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I've been to both JFK and Atlanta's airports. I spent a week in Dallas at one point too.

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I honestly couldn't recall any specific detail about either of them.

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I remember Chicago's airport was really cold.

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Midway

clear ferry
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Sjikagå

finite atlas
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today i spent 2 hours wiring up a cable we have laying around, instead of paying 10€ to get a new one which would have taken me only 30 minutes to wire up

i love being broke

clear ferry
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Need a sugar daddy?

finite atlas
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yas

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mine commited suicide

clear ferry
finite atlas
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what i've been working on today still looks like a mess ): but tomorrow i should be done

clear ferry
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Battery load?

finite atlas
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solar inverter, with diy 48v battery capability
running the AC wires was the hard part

prisma briar
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Wow. If I set my 802.11 network to the wrong channel it'll knock 2/3 of my Zigbee network offline.

glacial knot
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nice!

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move to 5GHz

prisma briar
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I think my smart bulbs only do 2.4GHz

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There was an option to do 5GHz when I set them up but it required manual configuration and wouldn't just auto-pair so I didn't go with it.

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And screw re-pairing 45 bulbs.

glacial knot
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Is there a zigbee channel on 5GHz? I thought it's only 2.4 and one sub GHz

prisma briar
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A lot of my smart bulbs are WiZ wifi ones.

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I pretty much only have enough Zigbee bulbs to make everything reach.

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I was going to go Zigbee for all my bulbs but I ended up liking these WiZ bulbs the best.

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And the Hue equivalent that'd do Zigbee are priced by a mad man.

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Seriously, the cheapest I can find them for is just under $40/bulb and that's in a $160 4-pack. They're like $55 in stores, the WiZ are like $11 each.

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Also Kroger started carrying WiZ which is cool

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So I can literally buy them by walking across the street now

clear ferry
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I've never had interference with 2.4 and zigbee tbh

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even with a lot of 2.4 devices + 120 zigbee

last cedar
finite atlas
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thanks michelle

last cedar
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Looks better than some of our installations

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I had to tidy this up

finite atlas
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it will become more tidy, i promise!

last cedar
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It honestly isn't that bad

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Juet please remember to turn it off first, don't want you going boom!

finite atlas
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turn it off?

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so you want to tell me to touch live 230V AC and 330V DC is not fine?

last cedar
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Would be nice if you were not a statistic tbh!

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Who will I ask silly questions about lithium batteries if you are not around?

finite atlas
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my ghost?

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yeah yeah... breakers are tripped, no high voltage
i've touched high voltage too many times to know its only fun when you touch it for a few milliseconds and not hold the wire with your hand for 5s and be overwhelmed what to do

late gate
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Im going to have the third lead development interview on thursday. Anyone been on those and have any tips to impress / stand out? They said it wont be a case, but talk about technology. I was thinking about making a presentation including the open source code etc I have commited, but dont know if thats cheesy

glacial knot
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sounds cheesy

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know your stuff and talk about a project or tech you like

late gate
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I should go to the whiteboard and make a Hello World, make a mike drop and sit down hehe

glacial knot
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if you don't want a next round, do that

late gate
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its no next round. This is the final one. Its a bit untouched territory for me as being 25 years as a consultant, this is the first in house job I am applying to get out of the consultant work (its horrible in my oppinion). Im usually do one interview on the phone or in person, then get the job, but 3 rounds my introvert brain is getting tired

glacial knot
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the next round is the offer then 😂

late gate
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well lets hope. would be fun with the development job as I will be the only inhouse, with 100% freedom to work where and how I want. Its extremely relaxed as long as you deliver. I even might get the power to change from C# to Python as they will redevelop the old softwares

glacial knot
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python 🤢

late gate
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and you say that here? :p thats permaban

static schooner
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Python is pretty great. There can be no rational dissent 🙂

glacial knot
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if you do full typing it's ok

late gate
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I like being a developer generalist easily switching between C, Java, C#, Python, Node and (ahem) PHP

static schooner
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All the Python that I write is as a hobby and for my own benefit, so I don't know what it would be like to do it for my job

late gate
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It was Home Assistant that made me learn Python for my addons I made

glacial knot
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depends. But linters go pretty decent. Untypedness is still annoying when you have to jump into unknown codebases a lot

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C# is decent. F# is interesting

clear ferry
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Yuck devs

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F# - A - Em

static schooner
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devs, of course, make the things that you support

clear ferry
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Nah bruh, it's all hardware, no software running at all

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The lights are on, noone is home

glacial knot
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someone got to develop that hardware

clear ferry
silk dune
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sorry strange question, tipps for large discord servers? how do you handle large discord server like homeassistant? i have no idea how i should interact. if i turn on the pc once a day, so many new questions appeared.

glacial knot
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don't overload yourself. Mute channels you don't want to touch

static schooner
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mute & hide channels, block people

clear ferry
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I should block more

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That Rob guy is a jerk

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Maybe him

glacial knot
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can't geoblock here 😦

clear ferry
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All the muricans?

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You genius

glacial knot
forest edge
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You sound like those celebs on twitter who are throwing a fit lol

clear ferry
glacial knot
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oh, we are posting pictures of ourselves now?

forest edge
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you think atx looks like thor?

last cedar
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Well Norwegians are statistically quite tall

forest edge
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so are ogres

glacial knot
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and blond

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or was that the dutch?

last cedar
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Yes

clear ferry
finite atlas
last cedar
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Especially dutch speed scaters that are called Jutta

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Omg

glacial knot
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shitpost? We 🦝 post

last cedar
glacial knot
clear ferry
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I get paid to shitpost

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Living the life

clear ferry
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yaaaa

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Did I blow your mind yet @finite atlas ?

finite atlas
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Yes!

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its so adorable

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@last cedar you are missing something 🥰

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clear ferry
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IST ZU NICHTS SATISIFED?

finite atlas
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ICH VERY ZUFRIEDEN

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<:

clear ferry
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mstone just wat da fuq is goin on

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I should try to learn slide guitar when I have time

last cedar
forest edge
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all i heard was what sounded like someone strangling a cat so I think you would be good to blend in

clear ferry
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Oh nice, it took me 30 years and 2 years break from guitar playing

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but suddenly I can learn guitar solos by ear

forest edge
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I may actually live long enough to see this country tear itself apart lol

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good thing i have a personal bunker

dusky plank
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watched parts of the darrell brooks trial earlier...

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its interesting

forest edge
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that is a shit show

dusky plank
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objection!

forest edge
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I can't watch much of it cause I don't get how the judge can be so lenient towards how he acts in court

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# clear ferry mstone just _wat da fuq is goin on_

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clear ferry
clear ferry
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Curious what the smartest way to move my LVM mirror from two HDDs to two NVMe are

glacial knot
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recreate and tar pipe 😂

clear ferry
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Either join new NVMes to LVM mirror set, or stop host, boot live environment do a DD of the mapper to an img and move it to new host and dd the img to new mapper

finite atlas
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move all files individually via sftp

clear ferry
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HP-UX has a limitation of 3 members in a LVM mirror, curious if linux has the same

glacial knot
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oh, it's your root on that mirror?

clear ferry
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yes

forest edge
blissful hull
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Birds like pumpkins 🙂

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(HA+frigate+esphome+esp-eye)

past remnant
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Was wondering if someone could give me some advice on my proposed network setup

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I live in rural Michigan so my internet options are very limited. Spectrum isn't far but wants to charge $57,000 to bring their service a few miles down the road to serve me, several businesses, and a whole street of homes.

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What I'm hoping to do is keep the AC86U as my DHCP server since currently it's what's issuing IP addresses to all my devices. Right now I have just the Netgear hotspot but about 3 weeks ago my speeds and signal have dropped to the point it's almost worse than dial up. I have to turn the wifi off on my phone to do anything

clear ferry
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Ooof, wireless bridge, I'd buy a fiber cable

glacial knot
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setup laserlink 😄

past remnant
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@clear ferry well the DSL is only 10mb down, 1mb up and the 4g/5g hotspot is spotty at best so those bridges are more than enough

glacial knot
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get real internet then?

past remnant
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@glacial knot it's not available. I pointed that out already hence my janky set up with two ISPs to get something decently reliable and "fast"- using that world very loosely

glacial knot
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pfft, 'murican internet

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are you actually worse than us? D:

past remnant
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@glacial knot Spectrum/Charter is stingy and is forcing us, the other households, and the businesses to pay for them to expand their network. We'd all have to fork over several thousands of dollars and sign multi year contracts

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@glacial knot oh trust me it's enraging seeing the rest of the world and their internet access

dusky plank
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@glacial knot

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@glacial knot

past remnant
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I watch a guy on YouTube who lives in the middle of a Forrest in Sweden and has f***ing fibre at his log cabin

glacial knot
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use atx's trick. Save 50k by buying a used volvo and use those

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o/ stone

past remnant
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Meanwhile spectrum has service 1.5 miles north and south of me and refuses to extend it without their ransom money

glacial knot
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so you do need laserlink D:

past remnant
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Tried T-Mobile home internet, but we're right between two towers and even with an external antenna it kept bouncing between towers and dropping connection

finite atlas
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have you tried starlink?

clear ferry
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What is this, internet from 1998

scenic radish
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Rural US bb

rapid plinth
# past remnant Tried T-Mobile home internet, but we're right between two towers and even with a...

Might be worth finding out where the towers are and experimenting with directional antennas. Assuming you can get them to give you a modem with antenna connectors that can bypass the built-in antennas...
Also might be worth finding out of there's anyone doing FTTH in the nearest significant city and try to get them to quote a buildout. It'll be $$$$ but probably cheaper than Spectrum. Rolling out new copper just for DOCSIS seems insane to me anyway

clear ferry
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People roll out new copper?

keen bridge
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Hello, I'd like to introduce you to BT OpenReach. They don't just install new copper, they install shiny new copper!

clear ferry
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Yikes

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OpenBreach

forest edge
static schooner
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The US is large, and it contains multitudes

clear ferry
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Just like Bob Dylan?

static schooner
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exactly like that

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the US even contains Bob Dylan

clear ferry
forest edge
clear ferry
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I was born here I'll die here, against my will

past remnant
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@forest edge so Tell T-Mobile that? It's not like they give you choices for modems

past remnant
forest edge
past remnant
forest edge
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hell i bought a cheapo 80 buck one for my farm that works perfectly fine with tmobile

past remnant
forest edge
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you would have to search it. I don't use 5g

past remnant
forest edge
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besides have you contacted tmobile on the issue? pretty sure they would have a solution. you are not the only one in the world sitting between towers lol

past remnant
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@forest edge I did. They refunded my money for 3 months worth of unusable service and apologized for the sales rep saying it would work in my area

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What modem ARE you using and for what service?

forest edge
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sounds like you need to have them bump you up to the next tier of help lol

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mine dosen't do 5g

past remnant
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Btw the funny thing, I have PERFECT Verizon 4g LTE signal, and dl/UL speeds are great on my phone, but tell me their 4g home internet service isn't in my area

past remnant
forest edge
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https://a.co/d/1PWwRRK works perfectly fine for me and it has band locking which I had to use because my farm sits between two towers as well

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I tried a slightly fancier one that cost more but it was worse. there is also another step up from that one that might even better if you got the cash to pour

past remnant
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@forest edge awesome thank you. Do you happen to know what you're getting for average upload and download speeds?

clear ferry
forest edge
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I don't remember. I tested it when I put it in and I think i hit the max but you may not want the one i linked. they all come with different what they call "cat" which refers to it's max upload and download speed rating

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I believe the lan ports on the one i linked is only 100/m

last cedar
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Oh no, its Coyote man

forest edge
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down at the bottom of the amazon page it states it's max speeds are 150 dn and 50 up

forest edge
# last cedar Oh no, its Coyote man

I was howling in voice last night for a few seconds by mistake, you missed it. now you'll never be able to distinct me from the others who may be hunting you in the dark

last cedar
forest edge
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I need to figure out how to turn my farm setup into an HA addon. I can't possibly be the only one using HA for remote property monitoring who dosen't want or have unlimited bandwidth options

clear ferry
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Oh nice, I just sneezed so hard I popped my locked vertebra

forest edge
static schooner
orchid rose
clear ferry
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Yas

orchid rose
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Figured

clear ferry
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I love Kate Blanchett

orchid rose
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soooo good

clear ferry
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Mr jooooones

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Fuck you man

orchid rose
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stuck in your head now?

clear ferry
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Always

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I always have music inside my head

orchid rose
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and the other voices I bet

clear ferry
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Yes

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No

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Fuck you

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Trains

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Banana

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That said, it is probably one of the best movies I've ever seen

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Although it is more of a documentary

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Because, it is all true, he is more than one person

orchid rose
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I love the concept and it was extremely well-adopted as well. It's probably not for everyone, but worked for me too

clear ferry
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For those that haven't seen it

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https://youtu.be/MFUEofAr9GA

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You might need to have a relationship with Bob Dylan

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But it works even if you don't as a great story

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Also, a great movie for those that haven't seen it

dusky plank
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French Dispatch is in the same style

orchid rose
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Wes Anderson does have a very particular style. Moonrise Kingdom is still my favorite

clear ferry
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Yes, I love Wes Anderson

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I wish he made even more movies

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Isle of dogs is great too

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Same with the fantastic Mr fox

dusky plank
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lol isle of the dogs is great

clear ferry
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Also great

orchid rose
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I should watch Isle of Dogs it seems

dusky plank
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn1wR1V9dqs

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clear ferry
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I haven't seen that one

dusky plank
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me neither until recently 😉

forest edge
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why can't you people like marvel movies like everyone else lol

orchid rose
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We got old

clear ferry
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Speak for yourself, I've been old for 20 years

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And i dont enjoy sheep movies

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Unless it is Shawn

past remnant
clear ferry
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Wes Anderson is never wrong

clear ferry
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Speaking of @orchid rose I'm disappointed we haven't had a 61 year concert for Bob Dylan in Madison Square garden yet

orchid rose
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I'm still waiting for the second part of his autobiography...

clear ferry
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Here, take yet another another self portrait instead

forest edge
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what does it say about your character when you setup your own livingroom to do this when you walk into it https://youtu.be/JDeDYjqLl9M

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dusky plank
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nopenopenopenope

glacial knot
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Nice, I need to update and look for breaking changes D:

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on Friday

clear ferry
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Nah brah

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Just wing it

dusky plank
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Media player support was added to the Jellyfin integration. Thanks, @glacial knot!

glacial knot
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Yes!

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my reason to update 😄

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though I still need to work on my patch for jellyfin-android

clear ferry
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Yucke

glacial knot
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what?

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good luck with Plex!

clear ferry
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It just works, always, on any platform

glacial knot
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it just crashed always for me /shrug

clear ferry
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I haven't had a crash in over a decade tbh

glacial knot
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or I think it didn't allow remote control? it didn't work at least

rapid plinth
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Their main competition is Spectrum who has been aggressively adopting new DOCSIS standards to keep up (and it's working)

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old copper is OP

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the old POTS copper is dark and rotting, though really, unshielded straight copper cable is pretty useless

forest edge
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Spectrum should be rolling out only fiber according to everything I have read

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heh the new HA release changes to cards borders made the blank card on custom buttons show a line now

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gross

rapid plinth
forest edge
rapid plinth
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All their offerings are DOCSIS, but their top tier is full gigabit down (their site doesn't mention upstream)

forest edge
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people in the sticks have fiber while those in the city do not lol

forest edge
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hmm this change to card borders in HA isn't going to be an easy fix

static schooner
forest edge
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card mod is going to be my only option and that's gonna be tedious

rapid plinth
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Their main competitor is doing fiber, and all of their tiers are symmetric, from 300mbit up to 2gbit

forest edge
static schooner
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I have Spectrum and I see no movement from them here

rapid plinth
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I think it's mostly on poles around here

umbral cliff
forest edge
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i imagine they are doing it in spurts. kind of like how google fiber started out

rapid plinth
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2gbit symmetric is tempting, not gonna lie... but $110/mo is spicy

forest edge
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i can't see any reason for residential to have 1 gig up let alone 2

rapid plinth
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802.11ac can theoretically do up to 6.9gbit

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and there's consumer gear that can do 2.5gbit over UTP

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truthfully I'm gonna settle for the 300mbit symmetric for now... but I'm getting ahead of myself, need to close on the house first

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I'm turning financial uncertainty into a lifestyle

umbral cliff
forest edge
umbral cliff
forest edge
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obviously but at the same time. there really is no use for it outside of a business stand point

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refering to speeds, not the material

umbral cliff
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Yeah agreed. However when fibre is laid out then internet costs become cheap. Suddenly gigabit or even 2-5 gigabit is the new 12-100mbps speeds

forest edge
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yea. I don't think we'll ever reach ready player one for use though. like ever

umbral cliff
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What do you mean by that

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Never seen ready player one

forest edge
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I don't think we'll ever need those higher speeds, as in nothing will ever require it

umbral cliff
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I think we will approach a need that half gigabit to gigabit will be needed, but that'll be the most

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Rest will be latency & total bandwidth between countries

forest edge
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for what tho? what do you think the common resident would need those speeds for?

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hell compressions advances faster than anything else lol

rapid plinth
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We still don't have a terribly clear picture of what VR is going to want Internet-wise. If we want to full-on stream a scene to the client instead of realtime rendering locally, that's gonna take obscene amounts of bandwidth.

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And yet it's still a worthwhile possibility to explore, given that the Quest, from a fidelity standpoint, is rather crap, and anything that's doing better requires pretty serious PC hardware and a tether

umbral cliff
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You mentioned the key word, client. That's business talk not home talk

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Also metaverse/ VR/ etc is also full of buzzwords and not much action

forest edge
static schooner
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that's just bizarre

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Skinsuit dude coulda ended up on his ass from a kick in the face

last cedar
forest edge
forest edge
forest edge
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I feel like ditching borders to stack cards was way more work than it should have been lol

dusky plank
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i have a lenovo sff with a i7 6500, its LGA1151 - looking at the i7 9700k it states "FCLGA1151" - will this work ?

finite atlas
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no

dusky plank
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so 8th gen is the last one supported then?

finite atlas
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6th & 7th gen are LGA1151 v1
8th & 9th gen are LGA1151 v2

dusky plank
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such a mess

finite atlas
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v1 and v2 are not intercompatible
intel did a big mess up there

dusky plank
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yeah then that is not worth upgrading

finite atlas
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yup

dusky plank
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thanks

forest edge
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in 2030 EV's will be controlled with the Harry Potter Caster Wand

clear ferry
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So that is the same as the v1\v2 vs v3\v4 xeons then I guess

last cedar
clear ferry
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just put grease on the underside

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it'll slide in

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Yikes, Turkish inflation is 85.5%

forest edge
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it's ok they supplement their financials with being the worlds leader in scams

rapid plinth
umbral cliff
dusky plank
keen bridge
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That reminds me of the "Desk CPU Holder" I once found on Amazon. It was somewhere between £80-£90 from memory, and the only distinguishing feature is that it was the only option that came up with those keywords. Of course, if you typed "PC bracket" you got dozens or hundreds in the £15-£20 range. But not knowing/using the right words definitely gives some people the opportunity to charge the idiot tax

clear ferry
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Yes hello

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My CPU isn't booting

umbral cliff
wraith palm
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Where would I go to ask questions ab install lol

umbral cliff
late gate
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Finally got the 8GB, ram 32GB emmc with wifi and BT for the yellow I am going to use at my old parents. I also have a 4GB so if anyone in Norway is in need can get it for cost

umbral cliff
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@clear ferry loves Pi's 😛

clear ferry
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Yuck

scenic radish
clear ferry
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My MIL does that

scenic radish
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i just had flashbacks from explaining the difference to my brother

clear ferry
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One of my sisters of technical, the other one owns an iPhone

hollow glacier
dusky plank
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Lol i never understood those

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What are they doing with this? Gotta catch all the SSIDs or what

glacial knot
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Maybe they are calibrating wifi based navigation

clear ferry
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Hey, I hate wifi

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I take offense from this comparison

last cedar
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That is what happens when you have thick walls and the raccoon represents 5Ghz wifi

clear ferry
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Should I buy this one @last cedar ? https://www.finn.no/realestate/homes/ad.html?finnkode=277746289&ci=51

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finite atlas
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its not up north enough

clear ferry
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It isn't

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but it is eccentric enough

glacial knot
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3M real money?

clear ferry
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29M NOK yes

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roughly 3M EURINOS

last cedar
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Would be a deal breaker for me

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Looks amazing, would love to have something like that

clear ferry
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Probably a tosser who built it

dusky plank
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Graylogporn

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clear ferry
forest edge
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I see a lot of complaints about the new card border radius. i actually like them

static schooner
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they look more like Homekit and many of the commercial apps out there

keen bridge
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People hate change

static schooner
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the difference is that with that stuff, you can't do anything about it if you don't like it

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if I want to whack the borders, I whack the borders

dusky plank
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i always get confused with the new homekit style buttons, do i trigger it with the icon or the text? It's not obvious to my mind but will get used to it, thankfully the new mushroom cards behave the same

forest edge
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yea when you go small with the card it makes it a circle lol

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well mostly a circle

unborn fossil
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I ordered a Coway air purifier (the non-smart version) and I was wondering if anyone had luck with an ESP thingy to make it remote controllable? (beyond a smart outlet turning it on and off, I mean)

late gate
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Another nice lowball bid for a Yale Doorman V2N (now with local control) snart lock, wanting to pay 10% of retail price, and not happy with a no

clever mortar
clear ferry
dusky plank
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is that the gen9 ?

clear ferry
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Yes

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Yes

low harness
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Time to redo your nails?

clear ferry
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Yes, Halloween is flaking

low harness
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Last time I did mine they got all cold and sweaty, so I had to wipe it off... probably allergic or something

clear ferry
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Try kids nail polish, less additives

keen bridge
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I use gel polish

low harness
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I didn't know they even had special formulations for kids

clear ferry
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Usually have it in toy stores

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And fuck they have a huge selection

low harness
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Probably wise to have something less poisonous, though...

clear ferry
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Lots of neon

keen bridge
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Voilà, Halloween nails

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low harness
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We have some with glittery flakes in them. Looks nice but terrible to use. It's all chunky.

keen bridge
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Oh yeah, thick glitter is hard to work with

low harness
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That's a bit more advanced than mine

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keen bridge
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The designs there are water decals, kind of like temporary tattoos for kids.

clear ferry
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Here I thought it was hand painted @keen bridge but that font is not hand polished

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Cheating!

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Wow your kids have huge hands compared to yours @low harness

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Might have a byting

last cedar
last cedar
clear ferry
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Your Swedish is terrible too, doesn't help

last cedar
clear ferry
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porkey

dusky plank
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I dont want to interrupt the nail discussion but how fast does it boot ultrafastparrot

last cedar
clear ferry
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Almost as fast as Joe Bonamassas solos

low harness
clear ferry
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Racoons have terrible eyesight

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and can't read swedish

last cedar
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Can party though

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I was actually trying to not cheat, but now I saw the 10 circles haha

clear ferry
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y'all might be ripe for glasses Michelle

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Need to do some more tuning on my new internet connection, getting 650\650 on wifi, and 950\900 on wired

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might be the GPON is too old

static schooner
clear ferry
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Are cats ever amused ?

keen bridge
static schooner
forest edge
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or bottle cap

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no idea but a few of mine are absolutely obsessed with bottle caps

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is 11.1 a secret update or just delayed on making it to the blog?

bright cave
forest edge
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should ave just been added in as optional built in theme

last cedar
clear ferry
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OBS studio is pretty cool

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I might start using this for my presentations

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I'm tired of switching between windows on teams

keen bridge
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I like ECamm Live myself, but it's pricy sadly

late gate
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I hate moving!!! Moving is not WAF safe with "do you really need all that TP cable in different colors". Yes I do, yes I do need the colors just cause

scenic radish
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S U P E R S N I F F

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i'd also like to point out that Midnight has sparkles pink toe beans sparkles

last cedar
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Give belly rubs from me

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Like that

scenic radish
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😆

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Thank youuuuuuuuuuu

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he actually loves belly rubs

static schooner
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Much adorable

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I wonder what causes the pink pads. My black cat has black/brown pads and my black and white has mixed black/pink

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And both have multicolored mouths

scenic radish
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Yeah, Midnight also has mostly pink lips with some black spotting

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Definitely unusual. He also has about a billion white hairs scattered randomly mostly on his underside

orchid rose
clear ferry
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@keen bridge then do OBS! Is freesies!

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Also, I just finished Neuromancer yesterday, just two books to go and then I can try my mind on some Pratchett for the first time

static schooner
clear ferry
scenic radish
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SIPPIES

harsh heath
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OMG the void

scenic radish
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He is the night.

clear ferry
static schooner
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Vantablack cat

last cedar
orchid rose
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My feet are covered in enough dead skin to survive but I'll still skip

keen bridge
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Urgh, I've spent all day troubleshooting my network (literally) only to discover that there's some rogue device in my entertainment center that's taking down the network

scenic radish
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Oof

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I discovered a couple of years ago that it's possible to accidentally put an ESP8266 into a weird state that kicks everything off a 2.4GHz Wi-Fi network

keen bridge
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Well it's none of my wifi devices

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I had a hunch that I'd broken something when I updated a pihole so I unplugged that device, but still no dice.

scenic radish
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Oh I'm just mentioning that as a tangentially-related anecdote

keen bridge
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So after going through chunk by chunk, I'm down to the TV unit which is a pain to move 🥱

keen bridge
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I did try unplugging all of that sort of thing this morning. I even made a list as I did it so I remember to plug them all back in 😂

clear ferry
clear ferry
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should I buy this @last cedar ? https://www.finn.no/realestate/homes/ad.html?finnkode=278900675&ci=9

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tidal bronze
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@clear ferry what else does she need to approve?

clear ferry
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Everything

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Michelle is my accountant

tidal bronze
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Oh wow. Accountant huh.

finite atlas
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not northern enough atx, try your luck with another object

tidal bronze
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She be counting and all hmmm

cedar chasm
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Is there enough space to frolic, that's the main question for me.

clear ferry
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251m2 garage

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That should suffice for frolicking

cedar chasm
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You need open pastures to frolick

clear ferry
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The green pastures of Ireland?

cedar chasm
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That works, faith and begorrah it is

last cedar
last cedar
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I absolutely love it, kitchen is amazing, love the wood paneling, absolutely sick house

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Worth at least 27 doormats

clear ferry
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I would buy it if it wasn't in the woods

forest edge
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a log cabin in the middle of an urban city... yup sounds about right for you

harsh heath
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don't mind me, I'm just stealing all the GIFs being shared here

clever mortar
clear ferry
clear ferry
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I just ordered a ceramic wax coating for my car, gotta prepare for winter, 50% off, still ridiculously expensive

finite atlas
clear ferry
finite atlas
clear ferry
dusky plank
stuck python
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evening partypeople

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Just passing by with a random brainfart: is/would it be possible to create a sensor which shows interestrates on mortgages?

glacial knot
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If you find a way to query them

stuck python
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So a year back i managed to scrape(?) information from the Corona Dashboard of the Dutch govt. but my skills are really premature. Im basically wondering if something like this is doable with the national interest rates.

glacial knot
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if you can find it on some webpage, it will be possible. Maybe not nice, maybe not intended. but possible

stuck python
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preferably a .json right? I found a website, but i cant figure out if it uses json

keen bridge
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XML works too

forest edge
stuck python
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Im such a pleb, thanks Rosemary!

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nighty

dusky plank
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These days folks are apparently stupid enough to expose their mqtt broker on the net.
Kind of fun to just turn off the whole house or run scripts on them without even trying to breach HA login. Including alarm system in some cases

tropic dew
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Can't expose mqtt broker if you don't run mqtt broker 🙂

scenic radish
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open ports: yes

forest edge
clear ferry
clear ferry
forest edge
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Not sure what the layoffs is about, but the unpampering makes complete sense

dusky plank
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weak shodan, does not even see my open ports 2527_trolldog

dusky plank
forest edge
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that was dumb and you should feel ashamed for posting it

clear ferry
dusky plank
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Brb seting up biometric auth for everything now

clear ferry
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Fecal or semen reader?

dusky plank
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Mfa with both

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done, farting and burping now also logs in

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ffs chromium doesnt do fingerprint readers yet

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oh it does, just not the arm version for apple M

clear ferry
umbral cliff
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That's impressive

dusky plank
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thats the nintendo way of troubleshooting nat problems

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just forward 1-65535 to HA

clear ferry
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@last cedar @finite atlas

finite atlas
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too bad they dont have my size

clear ferry
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XXXXXS ?

late gate
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@clear ferry donate me some proper wifi and routing equipment !!! 🙂

finite atlas
late gate
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Any suggestion for a good budget sofrwaere for private use that works well. I tried ynab, but so us focused

clear ferry
finite atlas
clear ferry
finite atlas
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yes

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i'm so fat, i have 2 armchairs in my room

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because one broke down recently lol

late gate
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@finite atlas everyone know i dont have a brain

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What router, gareway, switches snd quipment to u ise for msm466

clear ferry
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Opnsense

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Any Poe switch

dusky plank
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where is the signup form for one of these msm thingies

low harness
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Oh oh oh! New Ben Eater video!

clear ferry
dusky plank
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What exactly is in these? 2.4 only? These are for outdoor use right?

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Looks interesting

clear ferry
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No, msm466 is the indoor unit

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There is a outdoor unit too

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That is water tight

dusky plank
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ahhh ok

clear ferry
dusky plank
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n/a/b/g is not needed here anymore, I'm already at ax 😛
but the outdoor ones look nice

clear ferry
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466-R is the outdoor unit

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It's pretty cool, installed a few hundred of those

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But this is the 466

Screenshot_2022-11-05-16-51-36-56_3aea4af51f236e4932235fdada7d1643.jpg
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Dual radio, either both 2.4 and 5Ghz or one of each

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Or heck, two 2.4 or two 5

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If you want

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Can either run autonomous or with controller

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I installed 1500 of those and had 24 left overs

dusky plank
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yeah I'm already satisfied for indoor 🙂 thanks

clear ferry
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I have one outdoor in a waterproof case from AliExpress

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To reach my greenhouse

dusky plank
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disappointing, I expected your greenhouse to have at least 8 fibers

clear ferry
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Sorry, I'm not quad

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Wonder if I should order one of these for testing

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NOK 147.26 44%OFF | ZigBee Wifi MmWave Human Presence Motion Sensor With Luminance/Distance Detection 5/110/220V Tuya Smart Life Home Automation
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOQxax6

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Tuya 🤢

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But zigbee

dusky plank
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I have seen them earlier, are they really mmwave?

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FP1 is $$$

clear ferry
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I should order one and figure out

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I can hear tinkerer in the back of my head

dusky plank
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you did? I hope they are not only PIR 😛

clear ferry
dusky plank
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okokok I ordered one too

glacial knot
clear ferry
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For all my cpap bros

ashen parrot
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Can anyone tell me why people seem to think sound is measured in Hertz?

clear ferry
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The frequency of sound surely is

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The volume of it isn't

ashen parrot
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that's only cos you haven't thought about it

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is sound a transverse wave?

clear ferry
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No

ashen parrot
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that's true, it is a longitudinal wave

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pressure, basically

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which is measured in pascals

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I think folks get confused cos of speakers

clear ferry
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Well, pressure isn't the same as frequency, just look at the vibrations of a guitar string

ashen parrot
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like the current producing the sound is measured in herz, and then it gets extrapolated

clear ferry
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Speaking of

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like a bubble, expanding in all directions simultaneously

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and then the dip, etc

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it's still a frequency, just not hertzian

finite atlas
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why bother?

ashen parrot
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what with

finite atlas
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that topic

ashen parrot
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cos it's wrong

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don't have to bother, I was just making a point

low harness
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What's your point, though? That sound without a time domain would somehow still contain the same information?

ashen parrot
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most certainly not

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the point was about the nature of the waves

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and the misnomer for the way it is being used in connotation

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a longitudinal wave still has a time dimension, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a wave

finite atlas
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i like my hertz

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i see nothing wrong with it

ashen parrot
low harness
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Obviously you can't measure the frequency of the wave itself, you have to localize the measurement to a fixed point, like the source. And also extrapolate it to infinite time if you want an exact measure. That doesn't mean frequency isn't a valuable discretization.

ashen parrot
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no that wasn't what I was going for at all

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my point is that hertz is for transverse waves not longitudinal ones, that's all

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and that the current making the sound is probably the one that is being referred to in most cases

low harness
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This depends on what you mean by measurement. What information would you need to recreate the sound? Would time and frequency content do it? Then that is as good a system of reference as any which is orthogonal in the same value space.

ashen parrot
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well no, because of the physical geometry of the waves themselves

dusky plank
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What is going on here

ashen parrot
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that's how a transverse wave looks like in space and time

low harness
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...with circular polarization. That's another dimension.

dusky plank
ashen parrot
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less relevant to my point

scenic radish
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Ah I see today's argument is happening

ashen parrot
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this is a pretty close representation of a longitudinal wave except you have to imagine it as a bubble in all directions

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(for the purposes of the sound discussion, that is)

dusky plank
low harness
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And if you pick a point in that, say right above the copyright symbol. How is there not a frequency to the change in pressure it experiences?

ashen parrot
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there is, rightly so

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I wasn't arguing against there being a frequency to the sound

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just can't measure it in Hertz

scenic radish
keen bridge
low harness
# ashen parrot just can't measure it in Hertz

noun
noun: frequency; plural noun: frequencies; symbol: f

1.
the rate at which something occurs over a particular period of time or in a given sample.
"an increase in the frequency of accidents due to increased overtime"

Uh, yes you can.

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Again - if discretized.

ashen parrot
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you don't use Hertz to measure the frequency of a wave

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you use Hertz to measure the frequency of a transverse wave

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sound is not a transverse wave, and thus cannot and IS not measured in Hertz

low harness
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Ok. Give me one other common example.

ashen parrot
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for what?

low harness
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Sorry. Misread. But how do you measure the frequency of a wave then?

scenic radish
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carefully

ashen parrot
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pascals

low harness
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That'd be the amplitude

ashen parrot
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no, it would be the change in pressure, but I agree it wouldn't be conclusive

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there probably is a more specific unit in SI but I don't know it

low harness
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s^-1 is the SI unit of frequency

ashen parrot
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that's good, we're getting closer

scenic radish
ashen parrot
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but can you type the name pls, I don't know it

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is that s for seconds maybe? idk

low harness
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For s^-1? 1/s? One per second?

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That's normally called Hertz

ashen parrot
low harness
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Yes.

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Or unitoccurrence per unit time if you want to abstact it even further.

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Not unit per unit. Sorry about that. Occurrence per unit time. It requires discrete events.

ashen parrot
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oh okay so pascals per second then

ashen parrot
low harness
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So in case of a perfectly periodic sound that would be e.g. the number of pressure peaks passing a certain point per second.

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Now, most sound is not perfectly periodic, and therefore the peaks will not have the exact same distance - is that maybe what you're talking about?

ashen parrot