the-water-cooler

[forest edge]

everything breaks with age

[umbral cliff]

I really don't agree with how 'whatever' you are with this lol

If it breaks with age it should be replaced before it breaks

Its not rocket science

.... Though America struggles with that atm too

[forest edge]

your joking right?

are all pipes ran above ground in AU?

[umbral cliff]

No underground

[forest edge]

then how do you fix something before it breaks when you cannot see it?

you aliens in AU?

[umbral cliff]

Because things have a maintenance cycle and get replaced before they break

And if they break it's for a very short period

Not a while

[forest edge]

you obviously have no clue how shit works lol

[forest edge]

1 second is more than enough to turn water brown for hours

[umbral cliff]

This is more than hours

[forest edge]

what is?

[umbral cliff]

ATX talked about this a few days ago I thought

[forest edge]

that picture? you psychic now too?

[clear ferry]

We have sensors under ground alongside pipes on newer installs, and replace preventatively

[clear ferry]

There has been a water quality issue in Mississippi since June

[forest edge]

yea but you only got like what? 30 ft to monitor?

[clear ferry]

Ah yes, the American argument of scale

I should have seen it coming

[forest edge]

scale does matter lol

[umbral cliff]

Australia does manage the same as Norway though. Long term water issues aren't really an issue. The most is the taste of water for small townships

[forest edge]

but even with your sensors, shit breaks

you have to same issues everyone else has

[umbral cliff]

Not for 3 months it shouldn't

[forest edge]

as i said, it's inevitable

[umbral cliff]

A couple weeks if it's super major break that happened sure

That could be excusable but still terrible

[forest edge]

how long were those cars buried in that car park?

[umbral cliff]

Also don't forget flint which still doesn't have water after a decade

[forest edge]

more than a couple years you say..

shit happens

[umbral cliff]

It's about a year now. Solid concrete makes things hard. They probably have them out by now

[forest edge]

oh stuff is hard?

you don't say

[umbral cliff]

Also a carpark with non essential cars vs essential for life water pipe

Some things get priority

[clear ferry]

Stuff seldom break more than a day

If it does it is a national crisis

We had mobile coverage down in a village for three days a few years ago after a flood, it was top priority to get it back

[forest edge]

Jackson Mississippi is a blip and the issues they face are from inevitable cases from storms to aged system

[umbral cliff]

Shouldn't be an aged system though. Routine maintenance

[forest edge]

hell it's only a small fraction of of that blip that isn't accessable to backup systems

[clear ferry]

Three months of water issues is a blip?

[umbral cliff]

Freak breaks do happen sure. But you've said this is age

[forest edge]

90% of our country isn't harsh desert so yea..

[umbral cliff]

Which is neglect

[umbral cliff]

Okay so? Still should be fixed when it's an issue. That's up to local governments to fund properly

[forest edge]

can't exactly fix shit when your in the middle of floods etc

[umbral cliff]

No I agree, same stuff happens here, but you don't have 3 months of floods going on

Or a decade of floods, etc for flint

Also maintenance should be replaced early enough to account for local weather events

[forest edge]

again, it's a a fraction of blip

they do what they can

[umbral cliff]

What about people in poor flint

They have nothing

Bottled water

[forest edge]

maybe they should move to au?

or norway

[umbral cliff]

I guess it funds the american dream of funding multinational companies

[umbral cliff]

Yeah either option would get them clean drinking water

[forest edge]

yea lets ask them if it's a fair trade lol

you all have your issues, it's just not everyone nit picks yours like you do everyone else's lol

[umbral cliff]

Oh people do nitpick, like you with the car stacker

[forest edge]

that's not nit picking, that's shoving your own failings back in your face 😆

[glacial knot]

what? 😂

Find the hyper capitalist that considers cars wrecks as relevant as basic modern infrastructure failures

[forest edge]

@umbral cliffhell a quick search shows you guys are just now experiencing what more older developed countries knew for a long time. with population boom.

unlike the states you only have one centralized body that dictates everything, granted the actual number of places in AU is miniscule in comparison there's already tons of articles that highlights it's inability to keep up

you may very well be eating your own words within the next decade

[umbral cliff]

Sorry? One centralised body? That is a confusing statement to make

What is this one centralised body

[forest edge]

"Infrastructure Australia Board"

that has one ceo

infact transparency is also something that keeps popping up that is a problem

@clear ferry pay attention, for one day you may as will be in the exact same boat

[umbral cliff]

No clue who the fuck that is. Infrastructure is managed by the relevant organisation that controls them, eg the water companies for water pipes, or roads by the local road agency in that state/ territory, by the council for that local road, or if its a national road, by the department of infrastructure, transport, regional development, communications, and the arts

All our stuff would be managed by government bodies, not a board of people to discuss stuff

[forest edge]

I guess the interwebs is wrong

fake news!

[glacial knot]

googling is a skill

[forest edge]

imagine something you read online being wrong

[umbral cliff]

Yes the internet is wrong, this one board doesn't decide what the local territory water company decides should be replaced lmao

[forest edge]

thats not what i said at all

[umbral cliff]

You said one centralised body that dictates everything

Which they don't

[clear ferry]

No, we usually stay away from fictinso scenarios you find on Google to fit your mindset

[forest edge]

yea, in terms of infrastructure

what gets allowed, what gets changed

[umbral cliff]

No they don't. They don't say any of that

[forest edge]

the money poured to upgrade etc

[umbral cliff]

They don't tell Icon Water here in Canberra they can't replace drinking water pipes

[forest edge]

taxes set etc

[umbral cliff]

Thats done by icon water

And the ACT gov too

Road repairs and upgrades is done by the local state council or government department depending on how large the job is

[forest edge]

shame, it looks legit too being a gov site and all

https://www.infrastructureaustralia.gov.au/our-structure

maybe your education is failing you?

[umbral cliff]

I'm guessing that is an advisory board

[forest edge]

maybe you should ask your teacher

[umbral cliff]

The Project Advisory And Evaluation team reviews and provides advice on the quality and feasibility of major infrastructure proposals across government jurisdictions on the basis of strategic fit, economic, social, environmental value, and deliverability.

The Policy and Research team identifies challenges and opportunities facing the infrastructure sector and promotes best practice and innovation policy and non-build solutions.

sounds advisory to me

[forest edge]

"The team is responsible for the maintenance of the Infrastructure Priority List (IPL) and the Assessment Framework."

[umbral cliff]

Infrastructure Australia advises governments, industry and the community on the investments and reforms needed to deliver better infrastructure for all Australians.

Hell they even say they advise lol

[forest edge]

you were the one who brought up the IPL

[umbral cliff]

I did? What

Also

The Infrastructure Priority List is a credible pipeline of unfunded nationally significant proposals.

Credible pipeline, meaning things that should be invested in

Sure its a gov run thing, but it doesn't dictate what gets invested where

Otherwise we would probably be in a better place instead of dealing with local governments throwing money at stupid things

[glacial knot]

You were the first to talk about prioritizing things
Apparently at scale, there's only one priority list that every priority runs on 😂

[forest edge]

heh

everything i am reading indicates that one source is the deciding factor on where the money flows

[glacial knot]

you should get a dictionary then

[forest edge]

@glacial knotholy shit, googling your country pops up some scary shit, you have NO right to comment on any of these conversations rotlmfao

[umbral cliff]

It really isn't lmao, it may in theory, but in practice it does not work that way

[glacial knot]

Examples?

[umbral cliff]

You have water

[glacial knot]

flowing. And warm! also drinkable

[forest edge]

either way, you guys are new to the whole what happens when you expand population with existing infrastructure and all of these articles are highlighting it

[forest edge]

i can't tell from reading some of this, you guys using utensils yet?

[umbral cliff]

Yeah its why theres calls to put in better inter state transport with trains even. So we can do better than maintain and improve too

[forest edge]

calls after suffering.. ding ding ding

welcome to how reality works

[glacial knot]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/utensils o.0 yes? Like, we've had those before your continent was known to anyone but natives

[umbral cliff]

Warm is nothing compared to tap water in australia during summer, we can get hot water out of the cold tap for a bit

[umbral cliff]

Yeah but we don't need to worry about the state of disrepair america is in, since we are still doing alright

Its why things are being improved

[glacial knot]

oh yea, also: Our cold tap water is actually cold without active chilling D:

[umbral cliff]

I love that, I love winter for chilled tap water lol

[forest edge]

which? the roman you's or the other guys? cause we all know the native germans didn't use tools cept maybe clubs lol

[glacial knot]

so you are just talking out of your ass again. Not that anyone expected anything else

[forest edge]

history is history

[glacial knot]

what temp is your cold tap in summer? o.0

[umbral cliff]

Sonoma is the type of american to be so strongly hating other countries but also after doing a DNA test proudly state they are 1/73626th [other country]

[umbral cliff]

Immediately (before the proper main runs for a bit) maybe 20-30 lol, winter is immediately cold. Then both settle in low single digits I would say

Winter is colder though and I prefer my tap water as cold as possible

[forest edge]

hey now, i only hate on atx. everything else is just response to being hated on from bitterness

i didn't build our pedestal but the ground is too far down for me to leave it

|| that was a joke ||

[glacial knot]

Uff. Sounds rather annoying

I guess your pipes aren't as far underground, s you don't get quite as cold in winter? o.0

80cm underground never really gets warm here

[umbral cliff]

I've never measured but it seems that summer is slightly warmer

It might just be me not paying attention properly lmao

[glacial knot]

we have some very old houses with pipes running outside. Those have that issue. But they are build in 3 digit year numbers 😂

[umbral cliff]

Ours are just the pipes inside the homes/ where they're not that far from the surface coming into a property that they show the heat

It passes pretty quickly as the water comes from the mains

[glacial knot]

as long as it's not sitting in lead pipes 🤷‍♀️

[umbral cliff]

Nup, been copper (and plastic) since 1930

Helps being a new country

[fallow karma]

Hello 🤗

How's going?

[finite atlas]

my eyes

why do you use flashbang mode?

[glacial knot]

to annoy you personally

[finite atlas]

):

[fallow karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9KYdSMfF64

[forest edge]

engrish hard for some

[umbral cliff]

What do you mean, they're all perfectly understandable

[umbral cliff]

Flashbang good during daytime

[glacial knot]

what? Does anyone not understand all 3 perfectly fine?

[dusky plank]

wanted to make a oracle free tier account for my friend but oracle refuses to finish the sugnup process... aws says their free t2.micro is free for a year. how much is it after the first year?
anybody know other free vps?

found useful stuff https://github.com/cloudcommunity/Cloud-Free-Tier-Comparison

[glacial knot]

says comparison. Is list 😦

[clear ferry]

Criminal English - English simplified - English traditional

[clear ferry]

I'm curious, I just saw a thread on Reddit about someone printing coins for shopping carts, do other countries still use those? Most have been unused here for the last 5-10 years depending on store

They just hang down or are taped to the cart so people don't put them in

[clever mortar]

Yeah, many supermarkets here use them. Mostly only where the supermarket is located in a residential area, to stop people taking the cart home.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/yo-what-the-fuck-just-relax-kid-wtf-what-the-whats-going-on-over-there-gif-25393935

What do you do when you have five shopping carts in your driveway?

[clever mortar]

Sell them to the scrap merchant?

[clear ferry]

Wait what

For real?

[clever mortar]

I'm sure people have tried it

[clear ferry]

Y'all cray

[clever mortar]

Well, duh

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/muppet-christmas-carol-the-muppets-sam-the-eagle-it-is-the-british-way-gif-22694933

[umbral cliff]

Yeah we do, mainly because idiots take them and dump them in the nearest body of water

[clear ferry]

How often does that actually happen? I've seen 4-5 in the ocean, near ocean towns, but I don't think it is a massive issue here

[clever mortar]

Varies according to the area really

[clear ferry]

So Scunthorpe likely

Aberdeen not so much

[clever mortar]

Well, central Aberdeen, maybe

Nice suburbs, not so much

[clear ferry]

A large majority of ours are plastic these days, so I don't think they have much scrap value either

[clever mortar]

I don't think I've seen any plastic carts, beyond the oversized hand baskets with wheels

[clever mortar]

This kind of thing

[clear ferry]

Ah yeah, we have those too

[orchid rose]

those are so dumb

way too deep so you end up with stuff getting crushed at the bottom unless you constantly rearrange things

[clear ferry]

I shop once a week using a shopping cart, if I need something small at the store I either just carry it or use the small baskets

[orchid rose]

those are much better. I don't know why they have started experimenting with perfection

[clear ferry]

We've had the big ones for decades, but I hardly ever use them

Some stores only have the big ones, which is annoying

[tidal bronze]

🤣

[low harness]

The big ones were great for putting the kids in when they were smaller.

[clear ferry]

Hah, never had the need, used a carry shawl, and when they started walking they used the child carts themselves

[clear ferry]

@finite atlas i saw a squirrel get run over by a car while a kid was watching, i yelled back to my wife in the backseat "ach nein mutter,. der nussefresser ist tot" because I forgot what squirrel was in German, and she almost pissed herself laughing

I think we should rename it to nussefresser

Should also be rammsteins next single

[finite atlas]

nussfresser is a great name for EICHHÖRNCHEN

[clear ferry]

Yes

Much better tbh

[finite atlas]

i agree

[clear ferry]

What is the general German consensus here @dusky plank @shadow prawn @glacial knot @hearty depot should we tell the government to rename it?

[finite atlas]

xD

[clear ferry]

Also, I'm relieved you didn't question why I yell German to my Norwegian wife while driving

I feel accepted

[finite atlas]

i accept every quirk of you

[glacial knot]

Oachkatzl is the proper name
Also, language prescriptivists are wrong. So the govt can’t rename it

Does your wife speak German?

[static schooner]

Tree Rat

[hushed basalt]

Anyone ever dealt with cleaning out a brick wall cavity

I'm guessing brits would be the only other ones to have brick cavity walls

[clever mortar]

Mostly I'd say pay some sucker

[hushed basalt]

Maybe if I do a full clean out

I can't even get anyone atm though

The trades industry is mental atm. 4-8+ week waits for most trades

I'm tempted to go in from the inside wall to get some particularly bad damp bridging spots

Since my plastering is better than my non existant tuck pointing skills

[clever mortar]

Alternatively, going in from the outside also gives you a chance to tell if the mortar is good, or if you need to re-point the wall

[hushed basalt]

Plus common internal blocks are common and cheap and hidden, while matching external blocks from 18 years ago will not be fun

[clever mortar]

Just don't break any... that should be easy ... /s

[hushed basalt]

I have some spares

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-what-smile-whut-weird-stare-gif-16592004

Ekorre

In real language

[hushed basalt]

Plus the brick restoration industry is full of resin injection DPC scam/fraudsters so it's hard to know who to trust

[hearty depot]

Nah, Oachkatzal (Oak kitty) is a far better name
I REALLY HOPE THAT THERE ARNT ANY OBJECTIONS @finite atlas

But yea, we can name it nussfresser in austria 😄
They can already say oachkatzalschwoaf

https://youtu.be/PSLUvxeOaDw?t=113

[clear ferry]

Most Norwegians understand basic German, my wife even more than me

[glacial knot]

sounds sus

[clear ferry]

All Norwegian secondary schools have at least one language for three years, on top of English

Most only offer German, some offer Spanish,some offer french

And high school general (non vocational education) offer language as basic curriculum too

[static schooner]

lol:

Replace archived sucks by py-sucks and bump to 0.9.8 for Ecovacs integration (@mib1185 - #77768)

[glacial knot]

I had 5 years of French in secondary education. Still don't speak a word

[finite atlas]

Sprachbehinderungen wont be accepted

[clear ferry]

Some good news, noone should speak French

[glacial knot]

agreed

[static schooner]

structured mumbling

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-disney-oui-oui-baguette-oui-yes-gif-23982525

[dusky plank]

Lel

[glacial knot]

I should set that as virtual background for our next call with HP. But with a nice slight amber tint

[dusky plank]

The full pack

[clear ferry]

I lolled irl

First time i visited the training facility outside Lyon

wælkøm tu hæsjpee

[clear ferry]

Also I love this one

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/x59dcp/i_built_an_ipod_style_esphome_remote_for_home/

[finite atlas]

that thing really is to be loved

[clear ferry]

Btw @glacial knot https://i.redd.it/875foqnspul91.jpg

[hushed basalt]

Hospital equipment is pretty cool

Even though the children's hospital here pretty much gave up on digital charts are spending a fortune on bedside ergotron wall mounted workstations that never got turned on in 5 years

[clear ferry]

Really? I deployed digital charts, with wall mounted workstations per bed in 2008 @hushed basalt still in use today

Patient can watch tv, doctor comes in, puts his access card in the wall mounted tv, pulls up x-rays of patient, shows them, removes card and TV resumes

[forest edge]

just what the patient needs.. more tv

https://cdn.quotesgram.com/small/1/21/785500228-x-ray_122235.jpg

[static schooner]

24/7 House

Well, at least I don't have that

[clear ferry]

Imagine getting healthcare and not being bankrupt @forest edge

[hushed basalt]

Yeah but you have a competent state health department

There was a huge industry of corruption that came to a head about 10 years ago

[clear ferry]

Australia, you fools, be like the "country" EU and not like the nation of USA

[umbral cliff]

Notice how he said state. Not all are as bad as each other. Pretty sure Victoria has digital charts

[clear ferry]

At least Australia is a country though

[static schooner]

It's come a long way from a prison colony

[clear ferry]

I wouldn't say that, they are still a bunch of Tuesdays

Wonder if drzzz bot will flog me for saying see you next Tuesday

[forest edge]

imagine dying and your spouse only getting 40-60% of your wages for only a handful of years

https://tenor.com/view/жабкафлексит-gif-15353804

[clear ferry]

Thankfully our spouses have jobs themselves

[forest edge]

you've mourned enough, get back to making wooden shoes!

what is up with this killer clowns from outer space fad now? 80's movie was good but now gets video games and theme park attractions?

I swear these newer generations don't have a single creative bone in their body

[prisma briar]

Yay, I've got my esp32 parsing yaml.

[clear ferry]

Yet another milestone locked

[prisma briar]

I like my hyphens and tabs.

It's also going to make it way more maintainable going forward, since most of the changes I foresee needing to make once I'm done will be to the data in the yaml, not to the code.

Going to try to get started on the rendering code tomorrow to turn the data it's loading into actual images.

It'd really have been nice if Amazon had managed to deliver any of the three screens I ordered from them.

Ended up just cancelling and re-ordering off of eBay.

Idiots lost the same part three times trying to deliver it. >.>

[clear ferry]

Yikes

[prisma briar]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/225061897225 This is the screen I ordered. It looks pretty nice.

[proven spruce]

fancy

[prisma briar]

Wasn't that expensive when I ordered it though.

I'm going to put a resistive touchscreen layer over it, have an esp32 draw a menu to it, then go into deep sleep and wait for an interrupt from my touchscreen controller to wake up/respond to the touch. Should end up being a really low power draw customizable remote with a decent screen.

Quick ms-paint mockup of what I was thinking for the menu.

[proven spruce]

sounds like something i can adapt for my M5Paper

[prisma briar]

Free memory: 289364 Yay, I have enough free for a framebuffer.

https://github.com/netham45/esp32-menu/tree/master/main if you're interested. Most of my code so far is in processyaml.{cpp,h}, the yaml it's loading is in theyaml.cpp, and everything except the main.* files are from libyaml.

Very much not done yet.

[proven spruce]

i'll wait till its done 😉

[prisma briar]

I'm probably going to pay someone on fiverr to remake the icons/assets for it once I'm done, I suck at that kind of stuff.

Going to have to store the icons as binary blobs precompiled in too, since I won't be able to fit them all into ram to parse them from yaml.

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0tB4Q6FHXPPxreaYzsdot8?si=DcJcc668Tg6HVFY1Y07abg&utm_source=copy-link

[prisma briar]

I hit play on that and my dogs left.

Make of that what you will.

[clear ferry]

Your dogs have poor music taste you say

That said, tom Waits is an aquired taste

[young sigil]

I like his Cemetery Polka.

[forest edge]

pretty sure it's you who has poor music taste

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-says-no-funny-nope-gif-3548945

[forest edge]

https://humoropedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/worst-music.jpg

[clear ferry]

Sorry, can't take criticism from people who think the EU and Africa are countries

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[forest edge]

You wish EU was a country lol

[proven spruce]

No thanks, that would mean living in the same country as the French

[last cedar]

Viva la baguette

[tidal bronze]

Anyone using FP1 sensor or SEN0395?

[forest edge]

Looking to grow some tumors?

[tidal bronze]

Somewhat, planning to add them all over. Working on replacing the intercoms with them and custom plates. Trying to gather some data about reliability

[forest edge]

you just don't want to touch anything in your home at all do you lol

[tidal bronze]

Yep, exactly. I think these will be good companion sensors for already installed in-wall zw motion dimmers.

[forest edge]

you could always shove a garmin up your butt and just use gps for location based automations

would be less work an probably cheaper

would even be move friendly when you have to emergency exit the state due to no water and move to flordia lol

[tidal bronze]

Mexico would be better. Never Florida 🤣

[glacial knot]

Mexicans being sick of American tourists is amusing htough

[tidal bronze]

Is that a thing 🤔

[glacial knot]

not sure how much it's only tabloid level news, but some like https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-07-27/americans-are-flooding-mexico-city-some-mexicans-want-them-to-go-home popped up a couple weeks ago

[tidal bronze]

Oh tourists 😀

I go there for work, hardly go to touristy places. So don't have a clue about that.

[forest edge]

there was/is this whole anarchist thing but it wasn't just americans

flooded like an entire city or something, complete shit show

[tidal bronze]

Street tacos make every trip worthwhile

[proven spruce]

The data is just coming in https://community.home-assistant.io/t/mmwave-wars-one-sensor-module-to-rule-them-all/453260 and I have a few on the way to test as well

[civic cave]

Anyone an idea for a zigbee wireless version of one of these

[clear ferry]

The symfonisk rotary encoder?

[tidal bronze]

Ordered 10 from Arrow and waiting on them as well.

[civic cave]

true but looking for more of an wall switch replacement (wireless)

[meager flume]

attach it to the wall

[clear ferry]

So, mount it on the wall?

[meager flume]

obviously he is looking for a switch with the wall already attached

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

[civic cave]

Yeah just that the square hole that will remain is bigger than the remote thats why but thnx tho

[meager flume]

ahhhhh like that

You could get a flush empty mounting plate, any plastic or whatever will do, and just mount the button to that?

[civic cave]

indeed Some diy should fix it

[meager flume]

hard to explain but something like this, without the hole

[proven spruce]

A blank plate

[civic cave]

Yeah got it

[clear ferry]

This is why we love 3d printers

[finite atlas]

@last cedar Whats the average property-change-ratio of doormats per raccoon per week?
There have been spotted a few raccoons a couple hundred meters of us and i want to be prepared.

[meager flume]

as a dutch person i cant judge whether raccoons are cool or not

they're cute

[static schooner]

they walk among us

[last cedar]

I have done 37 in one night before

But I have got into the swing of it

[last cedar]

And stand

https://tenor.com/view/froze-stop-moving-not-moving-still-standing-gif-16669739

[meager flume]

look at those feet

amazing

[finite atlas]

i see no problem with that

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/jeffrey-dean-morgan-smug-twd-negan-the-walking-dead-gif-9263025

[forest edge]

BAN HIM!

[finite atlas]

no, bäd, no lucille

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mvMlMZTRIR0?feature=share

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-baby-dino-laughing-happy-lol-gif-19199578

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-april-ludgate-heavy-breathing-breathing-nervous-gif-21782900

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/lVOJ7lhiAnU

[clear ferry]

Finally a car for you @forest edge

Norwegian newspaper tested the ford 150 lightning

And it was favorable because the made the suspension usable

It's even got a frunk

[forest edge]

meh early ev trucks are trash

i do like the looks of the rivian but don't need a half size truck

[orchid rose]

What makes them trash?

[clear ferry]

_actually usable suspension _ probably

[forest edge]

range mostly current battery tech secondly

@last cedargot my PP||P|| working. wanna see?

i think opnsense takes a shit when you have a failover configured and you unplug a wan

[clear ferry]

320 miles in a truck isn't bad range

[forest edge]

yes it is, that reduced on load

[clear ferry]

Fast charge is 15-80% in 44 minutes, it's quite versatile tbh

[forest edge]

now putz who buy full size trucks and don't ever haul anything will love it

[forest edge]

what good is charge rate when you never make it to a destination? lol

[clear ferry]

Ah yes, Sonoma always doing 250+ miles per day

That's why you are never here

[finite atlas]

even going 250 miles per hour

[forest edge]

again, reduced range on load

[clear ferry]

I was sceptical about the 400km range in the leaf, but heck i charge it once a month

The Volvo I charge every 2-3 days, but it is only 35km electric range, top up the tank once a month roughly

[forest edge]

like i said, the putz who buys that shit but never hauls anything or pulls anything will love it

but not realistic for people who actually use their trucks

EV would be a waste for me regardless. I easily go long stretches where I don't even drive my truck and I would never get use out of the battery life

and the one time I would go to use my truck the battery degrade would be enough to piss me off

[real tinsel]

hi, dont know exacly where I ask this but anyways
My google nest Hub is unavaliable in Home Assistant, event after reset, removing the entitie etc..
My nest mini, lenovo smartclock essencials, lenovo 7" all are working fine...any way to know why nest hub is unavaliable?

"Logger: pychromecast.socket_client
Source: /usr/local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pychromecast/socket_client.py:396
First occurred: 14:06:30 (1 occurrences)
Last logged: 14:06:30

[Escritório(192.168.1.95):8009] Failed to connect to service ServiceInfo(type='mdns', data='google-nest-hub-2bd57b3a8d81ff326a727dd41ea792dc._googlecast._tcp.local.'), retrying in 5.0s"

[clear ferry]

So, did you secure your network in any way?

[real tinsel]

locally, no

just for outside that i've a wing

[clear ferry]

It's failing to do mdns communication

Either because the device isn't broadcasting it's mdns nonsense

Or because you are trying to reach it on the wrong address

[real tinsel]

I use the home assistant automatic integration, soo, i dont gave any ipadress to home assistant oO

ive try to add to cast the ipadress but without success

[rustic peak]

The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

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No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

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[clear ferry]

No, you are using mdns

[clever mortar]

☝️ @real tinsel you wanted to ask in #general-archived if you didn't know where to start

However, you're asking about an #integrations-archived

[real tinsel]

@thanks @clever mortar

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/run-woman-hide-panic-dodge-gif-5264408

[dusky plank]

i didnt do nothing

[umbral cliff]

Blame ATX for providing support lol

[forest edge]

that video was posted before and one of the mods deleted it and said never post it again.. so BAN HIM!

[dusky plank]

Oops

Well, stop deleting stuff

So people know next time

[forest edge]

@clear ferryyou never messed with failover in opnsense I assume?

[clear ferry]

I have done multi wan

15 years ago

[forest edge]

yea that don't help lol

[clear ferry]

Failover is so developing countries

[forest edge]

that's like saying backups is so developing countries

I don't get why when I mark a gateway as forced down it still sends and receives through that interface

you can't unplug the eth cause opnsense takes a massive dump, can't simulate a gateway down by marking it.. how the hell do I test this failover lmao

[forest edge]

not too shaby for free interwebs

[tidal bronze]

Trying pulling the cable

[last cedar]

I wanna see your PP!

P

[forest edge]

had to disable the gateway. apparently the "mark gateway as down" option was for the lulz

[tidal bronze]

So if the primary wan goes down you have to disable the gateway???

Making very little "sense" 🤣

[forest edge]

to test it i had to disable the gateway

since my primary is NOT down

unplugging the eth made opnsense take a shit

prob a euro thing

[clear ferry]

[static schooner]

you're definitely not making me want to move to OPNSense

from my completely working and stable PFSense install

[clear ferry]

It's no problems if you know what you are doing

I've had no issues since migrating in 2019

[forest edge]

that means nothing, hell you said it yourself.. you haven't done <insert anything interesting> since <decades ago>

[clear ferry]

Who needs failover when Internet doesn't go down?

[forest edge]

see

your shit is probably factory tuned

[clear ferry]

You can come inspect all my bgp pairings and domain overrides and alias redirects if you want

[forest edge]

point is, pfsense it just works

opnsense it's, maybe next revision

[clear ferry]

Only when using archeic technology it seems

[forest edge]

i mean.. isn't that kind of the selling point of some of this shit? lol

[glacial knot]

BGP is pretty archaic in some aspects

[forest edge]

I don't mind the massive circle jerking to getting something to work in opnsense, the learning experince of new crap plus refresher of old keeps me entertained but at the same time searching for answers and 99.9% of the results coming back under pfsense and it's "working" does get annoying

[clear ferry]

It is, but I hate ospf

https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/x7cucn/distracted_much/

Excuse me

[static schooner]

what is that?

I thought it was a hand truck, but it looks more like a steel platform with a sign? Or maybe permanently set there?

[clear ferry]

It's a barrier for fixed parking spots

So people won't take your parking spot

[static schooner]

I don't think I've seen those around here. It would be a sign, maybe a cone, and maybe a person in a lawn chair

[last cedar]

I wouldn't move to OPN

However, if I was advising anyone to go for pf or opn, I would be fully suggesting opn

[forest edge]

suggesting stuff you yourself wouldn't do.. typical eastern

[last cedar]

I run OPN

I mean I wouldn't move from a working pf to an opn

[clear ferry]

Similar to this @static schooner

[finite atlas]

nice tesla logo

[clear ferry]

[woeful narwhal]

Is here something like gallery, or even better, more demo views?

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge so after all this, you are still unable to do a proper test? Lol

[forest edge]

I disabled the wan gateway and that worked as I stated

[tidal bronze]

Cable pull test?

[forest edge]

no

disabled gateway in software

gateways have this option

which I thought did the same thing, treat it as if it went down

but apparently that checkbox dosen't do shit lol

so I ended up just disabling the whole gateway and that worked

not bad for a connection not activly used but wish I could get it even lower

[wise garden]

if I have 3 ip cameras in a PoE unmanaged switch, can I plug that unmanaged switch into one port of a managed switch non PoE that is plugged into a router to work? I ask this because I have an unmanaged PoE switch already and a managed PoE switch is a lot more expensive than a regular managed ethernet switch.

3 ip cams -> unmanaged PoE Switch -> managed Ethernet Switch (non-PoE) -> router

[forest edge]

daisy chaining unmanaged switches work. not ideal but works

[wise garden]

would you recommend that I just go with my suggested route to save some $ at this point? I can't return my unmanaged PoE switch

I am just trying to get my ip cams on their own VLAN

[forest edge]

plugging an unmanaged switch into a managed switch is perfectly fine, many people say plugging unmanaged into unmanaged is fine too. the issue arises when the chain becomes convoluted enough packets get lost

the "ideal" route for branches is router > managed switch(s) > host /unmanaged switch(s) -> host

unmanaged > unmanaged > unmanaged > host is when people start to cringe but it still works

[wise garden]

gotcha, thanks a lot for that. Yeah advanced networking concepts is pretty new to me, but it seems that lots of switches like 5+ daisychained seems to cause issues via something about a tree and how the data is distributed like you were saying it seems

I am just going to be daisy chaining it once on a small home network so should be okay it seems

[forest edge]

I don't really view hooking an unmanaged switch to a managed switch as dasiy chaining because of how managed switches work

but yes, it's the more ideal route

[prisma briar]

Finally got my eink screen in

You can plug any type of switch into any type of switch, there's not much issue. The only major issue is with loops, unmanaged switches generally won't have STP to locate/prevent those.

If managed PoE switches are expensive you can get an unmanaged PoE switch and plug it into the managed switch. Set the untagged vlan on the managed switch port to the vlan you want all the ports on the unmanaged switch to be on.

Or get a PoE injector

Unmanaged switches may or may not carry tagged vlan traffic in my experience. Don't rely on it, just use untagged.

Generally you only want to send tagged vlans to another managed switch or to a host.

[wise garden]

nice dick butt. admitedly, I don't know anything about untagging vlans. I just learned about them today. It is to my new understanding that with a managed ethernet (or PoE) switch that I can create a vlan of lets say 1, and anything that is plugged into it (in my case my unmanaged switch) I should see the 3 devices so then I can create a vlan for those

[prisma briar]

1 is the default untagged vlan, start with 2.

[wise garden]

i got this https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Gigabit-Lifetime-Protection-GS105Ev2/dp/B00HGLVZLY/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2YMZEZKA3W0DD&keywords=netgear+managed+switch&qid=1662517771&sprefix=netgear+managed+switch%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-4

[prisma briar]

I have that switch too, it's garbage. Might want to get a better switch.

[wise garden]

and I have this already https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-Ethernet-Housing-4-Ports-AMPS4E4P-AT-60/dp/B08FCSN1CC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=3SKH7USVAIEAG&keywords=amcrest+poe+switch+4+port&qid=1662517797&sprefix=amcrest+poe+switch+4+port+%2Caps%2C87&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1

the poe+ switch there I can't return otherwise I would have just gotten a managed poe+ switch

so thats why I went with the cheapy one

I don't plan on getting more cameras, I just want to get my 3 ip cams on a vlan because my 3 poe ip cams are wired outside my house and I dont want ppl plugging in their laptop and accesing other stuff in my network

you still recommend getting another one?

[prisma briar]

You can make it work if you just want to do vlans but it doesn't have basically any other features that managed switches generally have

Each port can have one untagged and multiple tagged vlans on it. The untagged vlan is what devices that aren't aware of vlans (such as unmanaged switches) will use.

So you could set one port to untagged vlan 1 and tagged vlan 2, then access vlan 2 from the host by adding an additional interface.

And untagged vlan 2 on another port, then plug your POE switch into that.

untagged = just sends traffic as normal ethernet traffic, tagged = puts a tag before the packet starts that holds the vlan id. generally devices that only support untagged will ignore tagged.

On Linux additional vlans basically show up as additional network interfaces once they're configured.

[wise garden]

so unmanaged switches send everything as untagged. tagging packets and letting connected devices of lets say A and B let each other know about the vlans/tagging is how managed switches work conceptually?

[prisma briar]

I've never really done vlan stuff on Windows outside of vendor-proprietary methods. I think some generic method to do vlans was recently added.

Yea

The new vlan isn't going to have access to things like internet or dhcp unless you configure a gateway/dhcp server for it.

[wise garden]

when I plug my PoE switch into that netgear ethernet plus switch, will my router recognize that as its own device / mac address so ill have 3 ip cams + 1 more ip device (managed switch)

[prisma briar]

The unmanaged switch probably won't request an IP for itself

[wise garden]

one thing I have noticed is that my unmanaged switch doesn't show up as a device when plugged into my router but i think it has a mac address and all that

[prisma briar]

It'll have a MAC but not an IP

Unless it was routing or exposing a management interface you probably won't ever see the MAC from it

[wise garden]

yeah, I don't want my vlan to access the internet anyways

if I don't want my vlan to ever contact the internet / external connection, do i even need to do anything extra since you said it isn't going to have access to things like internet as I am not going to be configuring a gateway/dhcp server

or do I need to go the extra mile and setup my vlan/ip cams to be static IP and setup some sort of firewall rule?

[prisma briar]

No. Without at least a dhcp server you're stuck doing static IP assignments everywhere though.

[wise garden]

yeah thats where I need to read up on. it is to my understanding that my router (netgear nighthawk r8000p) has it's own dhcp server configured. I have configured dynamic dns and OpenVPN on my router as I want to view my ip cams from mobile phone outside network

so I don't need to do static ip assignments in my case it seems

thanks for your help

[prisma briar]

You're not going to have access to your router unless you configure vlans to it

I don't have a nighthawk but I've never had a consumer-grade router that supported vlans before.

In general I hate working with anything netgear

[wise garden]

I read that most consumer grade routers don't support VLANs but I see that my nighthawk has these options which I've already tried to play around with before learning about my PoE switch not being able ot support VLANs. I've had my nighthawk for a good while now but see that homelab people on reddit really like tp link / Ubiquiti

so it seems that I need tagging VLAN and not port based. it seems my consumer grade nighthawk is prob not gonna work, idk we'll see when i get there i suppose lol

[prisma briar]

vlans are assigned per port.

[wise garden]

so I learned that this VLAN functionality is limited to bridging the WAN port to ethernet LAN ports. It doesn't give me the option to create multiple subnets. RIP

so what I want to do isn't possible with this router big F

[static schooner]

Holy crap Plex is a pain in the ass to back up or transfer to a new server. It has eleventy-billion little tiny files in a ginormous directory structure

and that's excluding the cache directory

[prisma briar]

Yea, plex's metadata sucks.

If you have it on unreasonably slow storage it'll corrupt the hell out of itself too.

I expected it to be really slow, not to just die.

[prisma briar]

Sounds like what I'd expect from a consumer router.

Damnit, I just realized I'm going to need to make a font rendering routine for this screen.

Blah.

[wise garden]

are you programming something?

[prisma briar]

Yea, that screen I posted earlier, I'm making a menu system to render on it. I'm going to put a resistive touchscreen layer on top of it and 3D print a case for it all.

It's going to be a low-power Home Assistant remote

I can draw bitmaps and lines and squares to it but I don't have any font rendering yet. I need to make the bitmaps for the font first.

[wise garden]

oh yeah the dickbutt lol. that's pretty sick. I do java dev for work, but I've been playing around with an arduino / leds / just started learning about bitmaps. i

would like to learn more about lower level / embedded programming. looks like a cool project

[prisma briar]

Arduinos are a great starting point for that.

[wise garden]

yeah, they're pretty sweet. so i've been reading just now, and is it possible to essentially have 2 "vlans" by having two routers aka doing it "poor mans way"? I have a spare router in my closet. it seems that i can connect router 2 to router 1 via LAN, and have only one router configured with WAN interface (DHCP server?) Then it seems like anything on the second router will automatically be on a diff subnet and essentially acting like a vlan.

[glacial knot]

ARGH!

@clear ferry halp 😄

it's not a VLAN that way D: But it might look like it works for you, but be horrible D:

[prisma briar]

That sounds like a mess I'd do my damnedest to avoid.

I'd 100% go with static IPs before that.

If your cameras are wifi though that may be the only option you have.

[glacial knot]

At least without some €€

[prisma briar]

A big feature more advanced APs like ubiquiti ones give is the ability to broadcast multiple SSIDs that connect to their own VLANs.

I doubt a nighthawk is going to have anything akin to that.

[glacial knot]

I’d recommend to just take the 40€ or so for a cheap managed switch. It’s a great utility if you want to play with networks

[prisma briar]

Something nicer than that bargain-bin Netgear one, lol

[glacial knot]

Consumer devices tend to do pre-define guest and main network.
But don’t allow access to the guest in a vlan or anything :/

[glacial knot]

I’m happy with my GS308Ts /shrug

Only annoyed by the reduced SNMP MIBs they do. Otherwise perfectly fine for me

[prisma briar]

I have a gs305e that's awful.

Buggy, really limited

Can only do LACP LAGs

Oh, no, it couldn't do LACP LAGs, that was my issue

And my modem only does LACP

@wise garden You're getting into more advanced networking concepts that most consumer-grade stuff just isn't going to do well, if at all. Jumping up to the enthusiast/small business tier will unlock a lot more options and give you a lot less headaches.

A better managed switch and a decent AP instead of an all-in-one router would be where I'd start, personally.

[forest edge]

you only need to save the data dir i think

[wise garden]

yeah, I was hoping to avoid learning how to do pfsense or avoid the cost of a high priced all in one router / or expensive switch + another AP

[glacial knot]

What’s awfull about it? Maybe I just don’t notice o.0

[prisma briar]

Literally all it supports is vlans and a useless form of LAG

[wise garden]

what would you recommend instead of the cheap one i just got? lol looks like I'll probably end up returning it at this point

[prisma briar]

I'm fond of Mikrotiks but they do have a bit of a learning curve

[wise garden]

to save money, it seems that I should learn pfsense and flash my router with OpenWRT and call it a day. but it seems that will have a pretty big learning curve i imagine

[prisma briar]

If you're going the pfSense route you can probably just put your nighthawk in bridge mode if it's a modem/router combo or just omit it if it's just a router and you have a separate modem.

Or put OpenWRT on it and just use it as an access point instead of a router, if it's not a combo device.

Or just disable all the services on the nighthawk and plug the lan port on it into your lan and it'll more or less just be an AP

[forest edge]

learning pfsense isn't that hard. tons of guides out there. as long as you stay in the main stream of things there really isn't any fuss involved

[finite atlas]

openwrt routers can be so darn cheap

[wise garden]

yeah i have a separate modem, but can set the nighthawk to Router / AP / Bridge Mode

[prisma briar]

Yea, I recommend learning pfSense. It's got a great community, it's well documented, it's reliable, it can give you a lot of exposure to networking concepts you're unfamiliar with.

[finite atlas]

i use double wan, to kick the isp router out as much as possible

the isp router cost 150€ and has worse hard- & software then brand new 50€ routers

[prisma briar]

I have my modem connected over LACP to two ports on a MikroTik router, it's in it's own vlan that's shared with just my hypervisor nodes so I can migrate my pfSense instance around without downtime

2x1Gb lines from the modem to my switch, then my hypervisors are all connected over 10Gb.

[finite atlas]

i'm poor
i just stuck no normal 1gbit/s ports and dont feel like upgrading

everything is fast enough

[prisma briar]

I have a Ceph cluster set up at home, that thing chugged hard on a 1Gb network.

[glacial knot]

haven't touched LAG. But I mainly wanted VLANs either way, and like SNMP. Haven't touched the LAG or really looked into loop detection or tree building

[finite atlas]

my drives write speed is roughly the same as the 1gbit/s connection, so there wouldn't be much benefit for me

[wise garden]

if I go the pfsense route (I have a separate modem), can't I just use my nighthawk as an AP so that I can still have wireless devices connected to my network?

[prisma briar]

My Mikrotiks have all kinds of stuff, I can do ipsec tunnels on them, they can run dhcp./dns servers per vlan, they have per-port firewalls, they can do proper LAGs, they have comprehensive vlan support, they can do vrrp, mlags (lag where the hosts are plugged into separate routers), port mirroring, and a ton of other stuff I can't recall off the top of my head.

[finite atlas]

yes

[prisma briar]

Yea, just disable DHCP and DNS on it and plug it into your network by the LAN port instead of the WAN port.

[finite atlas]

or reconfigure the wan port to act as a lan port

[prisma briar]

OpenWRT will let you do that, idk if Netgear's fw will.

[prisma briar]

I've got around 70TB of disk spread across 24 drives

[wise garden]

is there a security issue if I have a VM of HAOS and a VM of pfSense on the same machine?

[finite atlas]

i got 5x 1TB 2,5" drives in raidz1

[prisma briar]

A couple of the drives I have are just a little bit faster than 1Gbps can do, too.

[finite atlas]

not really

[prisma briar]

Nah

My HaOS and pfSense VMs are on the same box.

Have been since I started using HA.

[finite atlas]

i write at 1x speed (100mbyte/s) and read at roughly 4x speed

for now, its a movies library, so plenty of big files

[prisma briar]

That's what most of mine is too.

[finite atlas]

my drives only cost me 15€

[prisma briar]

I don't want to talk about how much my setup cost.

:P

[finite atlas]

and i plan to convert all media to av1 eventually

[finite atlas]

probably more then all the stuff thats in my rooms

[prisma briar]

That 2TB of disk I can access at 12.25GB/s (~98Gb/s) was $500

Two 1TB SSD 980 Pro's

[finite atlas]

that alone costs more than my entire server

[glacial knot]

yea, Mikrotik is a more enterprise area. The Netgear are really SMB/Leaf node

[wise garden]

if I go the pfsense route with using my nighthawk as an AP, I don't need my managed switch right because I can create and setup the VLAN of the devices connected to my unmanaged switch with pfsense?

[prisma briar]

Your unmanaged switch will never be vlan aware. It will only ever carry one and just one vlan at a time.

[glacial knot]

you can move the entire switch onto a vlan. Which probably makes sense for what you are doing

[wise garden]

I see

[prisma briar]

but I can download games from Steam so fast now

I can download all of Cyberpunk 2077 in like 10 minutes, lol.

[finite atlas]

my limiting factor is my internet connection

50 mbits down
10 up

[glacial knot]

My limiting factor is an Ethernet cable that limits to 100Mbit that I'm too lazy to swap D:

[prisma briar]

https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/d48a272a-e7f1-4ddc-accc-b5c227ade087.png

My limiting factor is also my internet connection. :P

[finite atlas]

you lazy bum, i crimped my own cat 8 cables

[finite atlas]

great for you Mr. i spent on my home network as much money as for a new car

[prisma briar]

Used car, maybe.

[finite atlas]

i've setup sqm qos on my openwrt box and can max out my up- & download without any lags

so even the 50/10 connection is pretty solid

[prisma briar]

Actually, my desktop alone could buy a decent used car.

[finite atlas]

i can max it out and still play games like counter strike globoli offensive

[prisma briar]

Other than that, the rest of my actual computers are either old desktops I've replaced and kept as servers, or servers work decommissioned and gave me for free.

I got cheap-o 10Gb NICs off of eBay, they were like $15 each. My two 10Gb switches were about $300 for both.

I had it just peer to peer for just Ceph for a couple years before I got the 10Gb switches.

With just a normal 1Gb switch for my general internet

[finite atlas]

i use a i7-6700 desktop a friend gave me for free, into which i sunk 32gb ddr4 for 25€, a new mobo for 30€, 512gb nvme for 40€ and now 5tb hdd's for 75€
totalling 170€

[prisma briar]

I have a 3700x for my desktop, a 7600k for one of my servers, a 2500k for another, and a Xeon E5-2430 v2 in my third.

[finite atlas]

i got a core 2 quad q9550 for my grandparents

[prisma briar]

64/64/16/96 GB of ram in my boxes, along with a smattering of HDD/SSD/NVMe in each.

[finite atlas]

my grandparents pc has a loose ram stick and only detects 6/8 gb ddr2 and i'm too lazy to fix that

[prisma briar]

My 2500k will only detect RAM on one of the channels

I've actually got 32GB for it but I can't use the other 16GB

[finite atlas]

rip

get another cpu

sandy bridge is dirt cheap now

[prisma briar]

I'm not too worried about it, the only thing that box handles is my backups.

[finite atlas]

backups, what is that?

i'm not paranoid and dont fear the possible data loss

my life dosn't depend on some 0's and 1's on a screen

[prisma briar]

Most of my setup is this elaborate because I use it as a training lab for work.

It could cause me problems if I lost certain pieces of my data.

[finite atlas]

weakling

no risk no fun

[prisma briar]

I set up Proxmox Backup Server and set my VMs to back up to it. It does block-level deduplication for differential backups so I've got daily backups of all the data I care about for over a year.

[finite atlas]

i have my 5 disk zfs raidz1 array in proxmox and call it a day

raidz1 is enough of redundancy for me

i already lost all of my data a month ago and it was fun (for everyone else around me), but that was due to my own stupidity messing with stuff outside of vm's and containers

[prisma briar]

I have Ceph for my array. It doesn't really make much sense since it costs me a lot of disk space but a big chunk of what I do at work is managing Ceph so I need something to test on. I've got the disparate backups in case I blow up my Ceph array.

And whenever I set up a dev server at work someone else comes along and breaks the shit out of it and it's not there the next time I want it.

I wouldn't have my current job if I hadn't set all this up and learned about it.

The $500 100Gb/s NVMe setup on my desktop was the only thing that I somewhat regret.

[finite atlas]

i regret spending 300€ for my watercooling, for back then a R5 1600 and a GTX 1070..

[prisma briar]

I had one watercooling system when I was a teenager on an old Core 2 Duo system, it was a pita and barely outperformed a good air cooler. I've never tried again.

[wise garden]

about to get off and sleep, but thanks for the help everyone. will be back in here over the next few days probably lol. one last question though, my pc i want to run with 2 vms (HAOS and pfsense) only has one ethernet port (LAN it seems). Should I buy this one port NIC https://www.microcenter.com/product/408947/tp-link-gigabit-pci-express-network-adapter so that when I get pfsense up and running, one port is WAN and other port is LAN? modem -> WAN PC (port 1) ---- PC LAN (port 2) --> managed switch

so then my managed switch has my unmanaged switch (with ip cams), access point (nighthawk), and my PC. then can handle the VLANs

[prisma briar]

Unless you want to get really adventurous with vlans on your switch that'll probably be the best option..

[wise garden]

negative, my network skills are too poor for that and I'd like to get this up and running sooner than later. I like what I am learning so far but honestly with the time i've spent trying to get this up and running im thinking i probably should just get a prosumer router and call it done lol

[prisma briar]

A basic config would be to have that card passed through to the pfSense VM and another network bridged with your host/other VMs on the pfSense VM for the LAN.

The bridge will provide internet to your other VMs and the host's ethernet port, which will give the rest of the network access.

[wise garden]

the basic config you suggested is if I want to be adventurous or for what i'd have to do once I get that second network adapter I linked above? admittedly I don't know about network bridging, so I will start looking into that tomorrow

[prisma briar]

That's what it would look like with the second nic

You probably have a bridge already if your VMs can talk to the host/network.

[dusky plank]

Not necessarily

Nat can talk to host & net too

[clear ferry]

Did someone say poorly configured networks

[forest edge]

aka brown cheese

[clear ferry]

Said the guy who is configuring network connections from the 90s

[forest edge]

not my fault opnsense is archaic

[prisma briar]

Huh, both of those pictures came out upside down for some reason.

Just need the touchscreen layer now.

And to finish the software

[finite atlas]

esp32 e ink home assistant dashboard?

[uncut mulch]

I'm not into programming so I have a question. The laptop specs my University recommended lists "Intel processor". Will I have any issues if I buy AMD instead? My course is bachelor's in data science

[clear ferry]

No

Both Intel and AMD use the same architecture which has been called amd64 for the last 20 years

It was briefly called emt64 by intel when they caught on to 64bit architecture

Both should use the same compiler libraries too, so that shouldn't be an issue

[keen bridge]

The only thing I can think of that might make sense there is if they are talking about the Mac because they want you to use some program that for some reason doesn't yet work on an ARM chip. But I know of very few applications left that don't support that (which are actively being supported...)

[clear ferry]

Do apple still sell the intel boxes?

[umbral cliff]

Not really

So it's a fair point

[umbral cliff]

If it's data science it could be a windows only program that requires dual booting/ VM

[glacial knot]

you mean tensorflow? 😂

[clear ferry]

Doesn't the arm apple support VMs?

[glacial knot]

oh wait, desktop excel 🤢

[keen bridge]

Having worked in a university IT department: we didn't like to recommend dual booting or VMs

[glacial knot]

it does, but only Linux guests work anything close to reasonable on ARM

[keen bridge]

(CAD won't run in a VM, and most users are not competent enough to figure out dual booting by themselves)

[glacial knot]

we just provided the VMs server side D:

[clear ferry]

LÅL

Long live horizon desktop pools

[glacial knot]

but yea, profs that thought windows only software was acceptable had empty classrooms 🤷

[clear ferry]

Disgusting

Fun fact, my wife is better in bash and python than me

[umbral cliff]

Thing is the uni IT departments don't control what a lecturer recommends. As long as the uni provides a way to do it without your own personal device then its up to the student to sort out their own systems if they want

[glacial knot]

your wife got the better snake? 😄

[clear ferry]

I still best her salary by 100% at least, but she is the smart one

[umbral cliff]

Its not all about salary

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/all-about-the-money-meja-dont-think-its-funny-90s-music-all-bout-gif-17239778

[glacial knot]

it's all he got though

[clear ferry]

Is my sarcastic comments not good enough for you anymore ?

[umbral cliff]

Don't forget his ego the size of jupiter

[clear ferry]

Not only the ego

Also my belly

[glacial knot]

so we should catapult you at any incoming asteroids?

[clear ferry]

You jest, but when I worked in ireland, the Swedish team used to throw empty cans at me asking why they didn't orbit

[umbral cliff]

Then Atx would start orbiting the earth, which also isn't ideal

We can't have atx hitting satellites, nor complaining about the slow speeds of satellite internet

The latter would be horrific

[glacial knot]

maybe we can sling the earth into the sun with him

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-is-going-on-down-there-chrisjen-avasarala-the-expanse-whats-happening-whats-going-on-gif-19016271

[glacial knot]

reminds me of Schneewittchen syndrome

[clear ferry]

Gesundheit

[dusky plank]

sure

speedometer (browserbench) runs faster on my macbook air in a windows arm vm than on a bare metal dell xps x64 machine

[glacial knot]

ytdl-sub is a cute addition to jellyfin

[clear ferry]

Y'all and your ytdl

[glacial knot]

D:

I know you only use phdl

[clear ferry]

You mean bonarr

[tidal bronze]

Not the same

[forest edge]

of course not. some norwegian probably put it in there and thought the definition clearly meant something else

[clear ferry]

Sorry, we haven't done ppp in 30 years

[finite atlas]

add one more p and its a funny show

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge I have a few dual cellular carrier setups running for more than a year running ER-X. Few clicks and it works.

[forest edge]

I got this working

if this was pfsense and not eurosense it would have worked off the bat but you know..

[tidal bronze]

Did you test with primary ISP down? Not disabling.

What's the failover time?

[forest edge]

as I said I just disabled the wan interface which force the failover

[tidal bronze]

Lol. You can't or afraid to rock the boat I see. OK then.

[forest edge]

what do you mean?

there's only two options, yank the cord or turn off the interface

yanking the cord makes opnsense faint which does me no good

was like pulling the rotting whale flesh right out of atx's mouth. it threw the biggest fit and pouted

[tidal bronze]

Copy. So it's not working 👍

[forest edge]

sure, we'll go with that

[static schooner]

It really seems like a fragile failover system

[forest edge]

it works fine when the actual isp goes down and you don't pull any cords

but they even documented the yanking the eth plug causing it to take a crap

I guess i could have just unplugged my isp modem but f that

[static schooner]

That would have been the test

[forest edge]

meh

[tidal bronze]

So super glue RJ45🤔

Strange things that people use in the Midwest

[forest edge]

at least we have water

[tidal bronze]

@static schooner it's pretty hot in SD as well?

[static schooner]

Redonculous

73 at 4am

[tidal bronze]

It's been crazy. Few more days to go

[static schooner]

Luckily I'm near the coast. It's +15 inland

[tidal bronze]

It was 84 in sfo yesterday. Hot all over.

[clear ferry]

Mmm 350w tdp CPUs

And internal water cooling in a 4u chassis

[static schooner]

Most I've used the AC in 10 years

[clear ferry]

I'm loving next gen

[tidal bronze]

Same here.

Hopefully, this is a one-off. If this continues, I am going to run out of solar credit $$ 😀

[clear ferry]

Hello Climate change here to stay

finally the arctic circle becomes livable for people not used to snow

[tidal bronze]

Well, if that's the case change out panels/inverter in a few years.

[forest edge]

puhlease

[tidal bronze]

I know was unusually hot

[forest edge]

lets hope for triple digits for you soon

[tidal bronze]

It was for a quick visit. So you don't have to wish for anything. Lol

[forest edge]

wasn't too long ago you were all gloating about nice weather and such.. eat your words!

[glacial knot]

https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2022/09/07/db3d935c7f0863f2.mp4 Michelle in the wild

[tidal bronze]

I stand by that. No matter what, best WX hands down in the country.

[prisma briar]

It's going to be more of a remote than a dashboard, I'm not planning on having it display info from ha at the moment.

Just send commands to

I guess I could make it poll HA for labels and stuff

[last cedar]

I haven't got the hang of plastic bottles yet, tricky things

[prisma briar]

Adafruit puts the oddest quotes on their website.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-you-gotta-do-what-yougotta-do-inspirational-leela-gif-9183294

[prisma briar]

Yay, font rendering

Why the hell can my phone not take an image oriented correctly?

[prisma briar]

Yay font rendering without a bmp parsing bug adding noise

[prisma briar]

Eink remote thing

[forest edge]

meanwhile in Norway

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-fight-monkey-gif-5219878

[rare crane]

R.I.P. QE2

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/elizabeth-queen-gif-18018200

https://www.reddit.com/r/UpliftingNews/comments/x91651/california_passes_law_requiring_companies_to_post/

https://tenor.com/view/clap-clapping-applause-applaud-cheerleader-gif-12591824

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/one-milliondollars-dr-evil-mike-myers-gif-4123675

[clear ferry]

I'll accept

As long as I don't have to live in the US

[rare crane]

Love visiting the US

[clear ferry]

Love visiting, wouldn't stay

[rare crane]

Im in Cad so the border is 50 kms...we go quite often

[clear ferry]

I'm 6000km away

I've been four times

[finite atlas]

i like my 4 walls and the roof

[clear ferry]

Nein walls

[finite atlas]

Depends on what you count as a wall, but yes

[static schooner]

roof suspended from the sky? a hot air balloon?

some sort of Up! homage

[dusky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-bye-up-gif-18612530

[finite atlas]

held on by god himself

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/goddog-cool-shades-on-dog-cute-gif-16769212

[static schooner]

don't stop believin', I guess

[dusky plank]

i love that my shelly favors the access point across the whole building, every time

too bad it doesn't see the ap right next to it

[static schooner]

I have the same problem with my ESPs running ESPHome

the only way to get them to reconsider is to reboot them, and then it's a crapshoot

My signal sucks, but I like it!

[clear ferry]

You can probably do bssid binding

Somehow

[glacial knot]

or have more sensible send gain settings on the APs

since it'll select by receive signal strength, not proximity

[clear ferry]

Don't give me PTSD to 1400 AP TX tuning

https://tenor.com/xfuA.gif

Always fun with 5 floors

[static schooner]

That's the thing, the received signal sucks as per the ESP logs, and kicking it from the distant AP doesn't help

[glacial knot]

our university building had a number (N) active APs. And .5N scanning APs only used to optimize the TX power and find hotspots where more active APs are required

maybe it comes first in an iteration after a weird hash function on the BSSIDs to store them 😂

[clear ferry]

I know this was an issue on tasmota @static schooner where you had to clear the wireless settings to get it to rebind to other bssids

not sure if esphome has the same issue

[static schooner]

I'll investigate. It works anyway, so I haven't looked too hard

[clear ferry]

You can force it in esphome it seems

bssid (Optional, string): The connection’s BSSID (MAC address). BSSIDs must consist of six two-digit hexadecimal values separated by colon characters (”:”). All letters must be in upper case.

Adele - Hometown Glory is probably her best song ever

FITE ME IF YOU DISAGREE

[prisma briar]

I wonder if they'll find a bunch of stuffed corgis while cleaning out her rooms.

Old taxidermied ones just staring at you.

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/trashpandas/comments/x97tqq/chonk/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Enjoy that Chonky raccoon

[forest edge]

Good seeing Thanksgiving dinner pictures already being posted.

[forest edge]

ohhh 2022.9.* changes to automation overview window and automations ui editor took a HUGE step backwards.. gross

[static schooner]

I'm not the audience, but I think it's cleaner. And folks should be less likely to be confused about trigger, condition, and action types

[forest edge]

so sadden by this.. not only was it a major change from before but it's soo much more harder to tell wtf your doing lol

[static schooner]

It doesn't just default to 'device'

[forest edge]

cleaner dosen't mean better by any means

it's like every 6 months trying to relearn how to operate a new style vcr

[finite atlas]

if sonoma dislikes the change, i'll like it

[umbral cliff]

You can still do automations with yaml @forest edge that hasn't changed

[forest edge]

in the immortal language of the norwat... 🤢

[clear ferry]

Yuck UI automations

[static schooner]

I don't plan to use it, but I think it's an improvement

[forest edge]

it takes like 2 to 3 times longer to make an automation. i do not call that an improvement

even trying to edit one is tedious

took me like an extra 10 seconds just trying to figure out how to disable one from the overview lol

I need to learn to resist that update button is my problem

[clear ferry]

Just got yaml like a sane person

[lapis summit]

why I dislake it the fact I cant disable from overview, I see what its about and the change, the easier it becomes for noob, the more people will move over and tthe less questions get asked and the more time devs have for other things, once you know how to disable, its an extra 5 seconds to disable max, its not a issue or a dislike its a small adjustment.... <---- coming from a old dinosour

[forest edge]

money says more people will accidently delete the automation when quickly trying to disable it

[lapis summit]

yes that is a oversight i think, disable should be no where near delete lol

[forest edge]

it needs to go backj to how it was

with a toggle

[lapis summit]

or at lease add a confirmation 😛

[forest edge]

infinitely more user friendly and better

i mean it's miles apart

i just don't get how they thought this

was more user friendly and informative as this

[clever mortar]

You had time during the beta to provide feedback

[lapis summit]

I dont see the big issue, they are just drop down menus, why not what your used too, I see why it was done, you have to remember the generation behind us are used to working with pull down menus with mobiles and such.

[forest edge]

during the beta? i am in no beta

[clever mortar]

And there's your problem, well, your other problem

[forest edge]

so not being in the beta is people's problem?

that makes no sense lol

[clever mortar]

If you want to provide feedback before something is finished then taking part in the beta is how to do it

Bitching after the event does nothing

[forest edge]

can't someone bitch just to bitch?

[lapis summit]

I do believe a change is needed, but only changing the color of disbled text background from grey to theme highlight color but thats about it.

[forest edge]

not sure who is in the beta but yea, had I been in it I would have bitched then too.. but apparently I would have been the minority if it made it out of beta lol

[static schooner]

anybody who wants to be in the beta can be in the beta

[clever mortar]

It's almost as if that's the point of an open beta

[static schooner]

better yet, there's a nightly build

[forest edge]

my last response pretty much covers that

i'm too old for the new space age users who want to use the 3 sea shells over the toilet paper

[lapis summit]

and thats the issue, for projects do grow and not die out they have to adapt.

[forest edge]

yes soon it will just be a 3 dot button with no information

[lapis summit]

come on realy buddy, just adapt and overcome, just this comment makes me think your almost buthurt over this (not being rude, just have a sense of humer laugthing about it).

do I like it, no I prefer the old way, but ill adapt 😛

[forest edge]

you do that

i'll continue to point out step backs as i always have

[lapis summit]

but if its a adaption for new users its a step forward right 😛

[forest edge]

had it cut the time down to achieve the same end result, sure. had it explained the steps with less text, sure. what it is.. is none of that

if I had to guess it was designed with a really bad case of OCD in mind

[lapis summit]

well lets face it, most of the younger gen have ocd, adhd and pretty much everything else, including being a whatdoyouwanttocallitidontidentify gender

on a brighter note, finishing of tweaking the design for my new HA OS build 😛

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/beta-internet-beta-bis-bisek-betax-gif-14478997

[lapis summit]

is there a suggestion topic or channel?

[forest edge]

apparently there is only the "beta"

[clear ferry]

Yuck beta

[forest edge]

did you bail when the amount of other beta's decided UI was better than everything done in text?

[clear ferry]

I've never run beta

[forest edge]

ikr

[lapis summit]

there s the feature requests Sonoma, you could probably post there and if it gets upvoted enough they might change it

[umbral cliff]

@forest edge you don't have to sign up for the beta. Couldve just looked at the blog post and seen the changes and commented

[forest edge]

coulda woulda shoulda

like i stated above, the fact it made it out of beta like this means i am the minority so meh

[clear ferry]

Y'all minority?

[forest edge]

coming from a guy who thinks all games should be like Zork

[forest edge]

need to be a parody of that video killed the radio star but about mobile phones killed the desktop

[clear ferry]

You jest, but I plugged my mobile phone into the TV this morning and used a Bluetooth keyboard for a meeting

The desktop mode of android is quite good

[umbral cliff]

There's a desktop mode?

[clear ferry]

Has been for years

I had it on Huawei since my P9 pro at least

Wife tried it this morning its called Samsung DeX there

Just use any laptop dock or a $2 usbc to HDMI adapter on a high end phone, it needs to support hdmi

Emui desktop on huawei, the OnePlus is a little more lacking but still works fine

[umbral cliff]

Oh Dex. Yeah not supported on my Samsung

Which is sad

Barely worked on my partners Samsung though

[clear ferry]

No issues on the wife's s21

Wasn't available on the a71 i had earlier, shit phone

[umbral cliff]

Partners s20fe was super laggy. And not supported on the latest z flip either

[clear ferry]

That's strange considering the price point

[umbral cliff]

Yep. And given its got the same power as any other flagship

They've never supported it on the z flip

[clear ferry]

It has been flawless on p9 pro which is a 2016 model

And the p10

And the P20

[umbral cliff]

But also realising android is still a mess of lock in apps so also doesn't surprise me

[umbral cliff]

Yeah the z flip 4 has a Snapdragon 8gen1+ and apart from android being laggy it's been fine

[clear ferry]

Had to check with the wife, she has the s22+

[umbral cliff]

Fancy phone

[forest edge]

digital cancer you say

[umbral cliff]

And only with the 8gen1 too

[clear ferry]

Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 SM8450

I've used it for meeting room presentations at customers for years, very handy instead of pulling up the laptop

[clear ferry]

Couldn't figure out why our expense reimbursement system was down for me but up for all my collegues

turns out, it uses a suspicious cookie system that opnsense flagged as advertising \ phishing

and just gave me their random "sorry this site is down for maintenance now" as a catch all error message

when I couldn't accept the cookies

They default to all cookies it seems, but you have to choose, but since they default to all and it's a opt out it's dropped

SAP Concur differentiates between Required Cookies that are absolutely necessary for the website's technical features, Functional Cookies that allow SAP Concur to analyze the site usage, and Advertising Cookies that are used by advertising companies to serve ads relevant to your interests.```

[dusky plank]

you been fooled

norway_trojan.exe has already been launched

too late

[clear ferry]

Thank Dog I don't have wine installed then

[dusky plank]

does wine handle electron apps and the likes nowadays?

[forest edge]

opnsense limps through problems you say?

gee i would have never guessed opnsense being anything other than flawless...

[clear ferry]

It did its job

it did nothing wrong

Now to complain internally that our reimbursement software is tracking us and showing us ads

the american dream

[forest edge]

can you blame them? with everyone going around knifing and shooting arrows; you people obviously need to be put in check and tracked