zwave-archived

[high spindle]

i have to actually press the wake up button if one exists or w/e right?

[terse zodiac]

yes

most of the time it's the same button logic to include the device

[high spindle]

zse40 motion sensor had a little button to press

[terse zodiac]

excluding door locks, those are special battery devices 😉

[high spindle]

zcombo smoke alarm i had to pull battery tray out then hold test button

it pulled in all three kwikset locks

[terse zodiac]

yup those don't need any button pressing 😛

[high spindle]

hmm

guess i should have a list of what each node is...

i have one that is still going.. all others completed

[terse zodiac]

i label them in zwavejs2mqtt

[high spindle]

i'm not sure which device this could be shit

[terse zodiac]

example:

[high spindle]

it shows the ZZZ sleeping but i dont think i have any other wireless devices...

[terse zodiac]

check in HA

all the nodes should line up in HA and you'll find the "sleeper"

[high spindle]

ah i havent gotten that far yet

no devices in hass

[terse zodiac]

just keep going down the steps

[high spindle]

so go ahead and go through step 5 here?

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/switching-z-wave-js-addons-with-minimal-downtime-z-wave-js-official-to-z-wave-js-to-mqtt-community/409904

ok

[terse zodiac]

eventually you enable the integration again and then you'll see what's having issues 🙂

[high spindle]

ye

[terse zodiac]

says you can skip step 5-9

i'd go right to step 10

[high spindle]

wait why wouldnt i copy over the zwave-js files to z2m?

[terse zodiac]

no need

your cache already basically rebuilt

[high spindle]

i'll just reinterview any that arent setup right?

[terse zodiac]

yup

that step is mostly for those who have sensors like 20-30 feet in the air for some reason

lol

[high spindle]

ah

ah i forgot about the damn recessed door sensor in bathroom

[terse zodiac]

there you go lol

[high spindle]

i cant get the zse40 multisensor to wake up 😦

[terse zodiac]

did you ask it nicely?

[high spindle]

thought so

docs say to push the button once and that should do it..

i even tried removing battery to see if it woke up when it powered back on

easier to just remove and factory reset?

[terse zodiac]

did the led go blue or orange when you pressed the button?

[high spindle]

no but i think i turned that off in parameters

[terse zodiac]

well it's suppose to sleep, did the interview complete?

[high spindle]

interview shows complete but it's still showing undefined

and no entities are available in hass

and it wont reinterview cuz it wont wake up lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743144302334443622/995050114089484319/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743144302334443622/995050180644712569/unknown.png

[terse zodiac]

try maybe a heal node?

[high spindle]

factory reset it then remove failed evice?

no dice

tried

[terse zodiac]

if you factory reset it should auto remove from zwavejs

but if it doesn't you could do a replace failed node

that way the node # stays

and you don't have to rejig anything in HA

[high spindle]

as long as i rename entities the same i dont think it matters

[high spindle]

i might have to reach out to zooz.. this damn thing wont include

[terse zodiac]

pull the battery?

[high spindle]

i even scanned the s2 qr code

took battery out and in

got it to blink blue

still nothing

[terse zodiac]

weird

try excluding it first?

[high spindle]

it's already gone

i factory reset it (or at least i clicked the button 10x fast)

then removed failed node

[terse zodiac]

sometimes zwave gear is weird and still wants to be excluded

[somber shuttle]

Damn. Took apart my switches. I don't think I have a neutral available

Bad part is I destroyed one of my switches (screws wouldn't come off

[high spindle]

it finally added but added with unknown shit.. so i reinterviewed and we're golden

what a finnicky damn sensor

bummer with no neutral

none of the light switches i've removed from my house even had ground hooked up

1970s texas home

[somber shuttle]

I can't figure out how to post to imgur from mobile.

[spring gazelle]

Lol. The whole point of my switching guide was to avoid rebuilding the cache.

[somber shuttle]

https://ibb.co/WPXjrn7 those white wires though.

It feels like they're neutrals but no switch connects to them.

[terse zodiac]

doesn't that occur on step 4 tho?

[spring gazelle]

No

[terse zodiac]

normal switches don't use neutrals, they should just be all bundled together

[spring gazelle]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/switching-z-wave-js-addons-with-minimal-downtime-z-wave-js-official-to-z-wave-js-to-mqtt-community/409904#step-7-transfer-cache-files-13

[terse zodiac]

right but you have this line:
"If all your nodes are at Complete, congratulations! You can skip the backup modifications and restore steps, and go straight to reconfiguring the integration."

[spring gazelle]

Doesn't sound like that was the case.

[terse zodiac]

all his nodes said complete 😛

[somber shuttle]

Right. These white wires are. Next step is to figure out what these unlabeled black wires are: https://ibb.co/qBft9BC

[spring gazelle]

Well, when you wake up all the battery devices manually, yeah. The point of the guide is to not require that.

[terse zodiac]

one is load, one is HOT, load will be in the romex going up to the light

hot will be the in the romex with the ground and neutral (white) this goes to the breaker panel

usually all your hots are tied together as well

also I hate wirenuts 😛

your LOAD and LINE/HOT should be labeled on the switch you tore apart

[somber shuttle]

They're not

[terse zodiac]

fun

you'll need to trace the wires

usually the romex FROM the breaker panel comes in from the bottom of the blue box

ymmv due to local electrical code

[somber shuttle]

Yeah there are three big cables all of which come from the top

[terse zodiac]

find the one with a white, copper, and black

it'll likely be all bundled together with most of the others in that mess lol

also this is bad mojo here

[high spindle]

maybe a good idea to watch a couple videos if you arent used to working with this kinda stuff

[terse zodiac]

ya

[high spindle]

buy some wagos and a no contact tester while you're at it

[terse zodiac]

there's tons of vids on youtube to review too

[somber shuttle]

Yeah videos make it seem easier than it is.

[high spindle]

it really is easy tho.. but videos can point out what not to do and why

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/552293123766878210/990695375985840158/IMG_2607.jpg

that's how a lot of mine have looked lol

[terse zodiac]

mine never had jumpers on the hot

or load

[high spindle]

i think it's fine to use pigtails

that's what i've been doing with all my wagos

[terse zodiac]

i'm not against it, just I've not seen it done that way

well on a single switch i should say

[somber shuttle]

Guess I'm gonna end up yoloing this

[high spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsiK2aqzcqQ

[grim raptor]

yolo and electrical dont go together. or maybe they go together too well....

my brother calls those contactless testers widow makers

[terse zodiac]

i use them in conjunction with flipping the switch 😛

[grim raptor]

heh, that'll cover half the wires

[terse zodiac]

i little 120 never killed too many people....

[grim raptor]

i remember getting briefly shocked once as a little kid, was dark and i was plugging in a lamp and i think my fingers were on the prongs - man i saw a flash of white

[terse zodiac]

yikes, I accidentally shorted a transformer on my dialup modem (still plugged into the phone line) with my finger before... got a good tingle outta that

[grim raptor]

thats what 48v?

[civic bone]

240V is quite enough to spot weld with, I know, because I once did by accident 😄

[grim raptor]

to make a phone ring? or did you mean the power adapter for the modem

ouch

[terse zodiac]

dunno, was a xformer on the internal modem board

[grim raptor]

ah ok

[terse zodiac]

gave me a good poking

[grim raptor]

i bet

[terse zodiac]

when I open my breaker panel, I make sure to wear gloves and long sleeve shirt 😛
the PPE rating is only level 0 🤷‍♂️

[somber shuttle]

Alright so I'm assuming the hot is the one next to the LED hooked up in series and the negative is the other one.

[terse zodiac]

there is no negative

[somber shuttle]

OK. Line.

[terse zodiac]

it's honestly really hard to tell from your images 😦

[somber shuttle]

Now I think it's opposite :(. Another switch here has a red wire which I think is hot. But that doesn't make sense as what I think is the hot on the switch I'm trying to replace connects to what I think is the load on this other one.

[terse zodiac]

red is usually a traveler wire

for a 3way

[somber shuttle]

Hmm? This switch has 2 wires + exposed ground.

[terse zodiac]

ground is always bare copper

[somber shuttle]

Or green

[terse zodiac]

so if your wire starts melting it shorts out and pops your breaker

[somber shuttle]

On the zen77 manual, this setup looks like the second one.

[somber shuttle]

alright, the switch is getting no power

posibility one: neutral not hooked up properly. possibility two: lne and leader are swapped

these instructions confuse me. three switches for a single light?

[high spindle]

you mean for a 4 way config with smart bulbs?

[somber shuttle]

Yeah

[high spindle]

you wouldnt even use traveler wires if you have all smart switches

you'd just use an automation with smart bulb mode on each switch

[azure marlin]

is there an easy way to set the same parameters on multiple devices?

[spring gazelle]

Use a service call and pass multiple devices.

If you need multicast, I think the multicast_set_value service will do it. https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zwave_js/#services

[neon ermine]

Hey guys, hoping you can help here. I'm trying to upgrade from the old deprecated zwave to zwave js. I'm running on hassio on a raspberry pi. I've installed the z wave js add-on, but when I go to install the integration, it just says failed to connect.

I'm not ENTIRELY sure if I have the right USB selected, mine doesn't show up in the dropdown, but I'm hoping there's a way around that...

[terse zodiac]

type it in

[neon ermine]

I don't know how to find the correct port

[terse zodiac]

-> System -> Hardware ?

[digital jackal]

Just a newbie Q. what real world advantages does zwave have over zigbee? I ahve HAos running now and I have a handful of sensors but just wondering before I get serious if other networks like zwave are better?

[terse zodiac]

zwave devices that use batteries usually last longer, have further range due to the lower frequency

[digital jackal]

ah ok...so a use case might be there....I have some uses like a letter box zwave might be best on then.

[terse zodiac]

depends

[digital jackal]

I need to test

I need to layout my network so positioning the kit now needs thought

[terse zodiac]

zwave devices form a mesh so positioning usually isn't a big problem

as long as you're house isn't a bunker

[digital jackal]

yes but I have a few long ie 10m I'd link to cover if I can

[neon ermine]

Okay, so I'm still getting failed to connect on trying to install the integration

[terse zodiac]

what's the actual error

[digital jackal]

you cant find the device?

[neon ermine]

@terse zodiac literally says "Failed to connect" when I try to add the zwave js integration with the supervisor add-on checkbox checked

[terse zodiac]

what's in the ws URL box?

[neon ermine]

@digital jackal I'm not entirely sure which device to use. It's an aotec gen5, I know there's an issue with that listed in the integration, so that MIGHT be the issue, but I only have two usb devices attached to the pi, and I've tried both of them

@terse zodiac it doesn't ask for one when you use the supervisor addon

[terse zodiac]

it does

[neon ermine]

Oh crap, it worked now. magic of trying to get help

[azure marlin]

I made the mistake of enabling mqtt in z2mqtt and now have an MQTT version of every device. Is there any easy way to remove all of those?

[lyric sapphire]

try turning off MQTT discovery in the zwavejs2mqtt settings

[azure marlin]

No luck unfortunately. Guess I'm stuck manually deleting all 70+ devices

[lyric sapphire]

use mqtt explorer to look for the discovery messages

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/mqtt/discovery/

delete the topic for those devices

then restart home assistant

@azure marlin

[azure marlin]

Thank you!

[azure marlin]

any thoughts on if we'll see 800 series controllers anytime soon?

[spring gazelle]

https://atrim.co/zwave/stick-hub/

[candid summit]

Nortek combo HUSBZB-1 stick zwave not recognized

[azure marlin]

interesting had no idea they were out already. Wonder when zooz and aeotec will have their sticks

[spring gazelle]

Doesn't actually appear to be for sale quite yet.

[somber shuttle]

so for switches, is the 120V wire supposed to go on Line or Load?

booklet implies Line

[terse zodiac]

you'd have to be more specific, all the lines are 120v except ground, if you mean the line coming FROM the breaker panel, yes that would be your LINE/HOT

your LOAD will be the black wire that goes to the light fixture

[somber shuttle]

so I wired it right. cool. only problem is this switch is not powering on

which means it's either defective on the neutral wire is not hooked up right.

[storm wren]

Smart switches takes power feom the neutral, so yes, your neutral might be either wired up badly, or not be a neutral

Make sure that you identified correctly the neutral from the ground wire

[naive cypress]

incoming power goes to Line, device that is to be switched goes on Load Neutral must absolutely be connected to the switch or it wont work. The very first Zwave switch i installed was a dud, and instantly popped my circuit breaker the moment i turned the breaker back on. Replacement switch worked fine for like 2 years before a thunderstorm killed it.

[azure marlin]

i've got a zooz 32 stuck trying to update firmware now for the past 48 hours. Tried restarting home assistant, zwavejs2mqtt and the switch without any luck. Any other ideas?

[terse zodiac]

logs?

[azure marlin]

oddly enough nothing in there about the firmware update for the node and if I try and reinitiate says node has already started a firmware update

[mossy spindle]

Hello All, I had zwave js working with HA core and zwavejs2mqtt running for a good while. But decided to move over to an rpi 4 and HAOS. In doing such I read that the zwave stick itself contains the network. So I thought alright back up and restore core on the new rpi, plug the stick in, install zwave js add on and move on. Seems like more complicated than that.. Anyone got time to assist?

[storm wren]

You should at least mention what's the issue

[high spindle]

i moved from a vm to haos on a pi and it automagically found my usb stick and it justworkedTM

[bold frigate]

I have a number of Zwave switches & devices and would like to migrate from an Aeotec Gen5 to a Zooz S2 700 controller. I am using zwavejs2mqtt in HA, supervised. I would like to back up the cache & device files on the Aeotec and move them onto the Zooz stick so I don't have to re-pair everything. I was able to export the nodes.json file without any problem. However, when I try to backup the Aeotec's non-volatile memory I get the following error: NVM Management Backup error while calling api backupNVMraw: Could not turn off the zwave radio before creating the NVM backup Error: Zwave0203.. How do I turn off the radio while keeping all of the stick's contents intact and keeping the stick powered up? Not sure how to proceed & all assistance is appreciated greatly. Thanks!

[bold frigate]

Had to update the Aeotec stick to newer firmware. Then it worked.

[azure marlin]

Just curious, why did you want to do this? Were you having issues with the network? 700 series controllers seem to have quite a few issues

[rose ocean]

I just got a Zooz Z-Wave 7 adapter and 6 smoke alarms, 5 of the smoke alarms added perfectly with no hiccups but the last one isn't being picked up. Where'd be the best place to start looking? I see it under Provisioned Devices with an X next to it. Using z-wave.js

[azure marlin]

try excluding and reinclude?

[rose ocean]

I unprovisioned, reinserted batteries in the smoke detector, then readded it to Z-Wave

Still not detected

It detected the first time I tried pairing it but was stuck reading 'Node 7' for like 20 minutes before I gave up and removed it.

I don't see anything logged by z-wave.js

The manual for the smoke detector says pulling the batteries for 5s should make it try to pair again

"Do not use the silence feature in emergency situations. It will not extinguish a fire."

Heh

[lyric sapphire]

what firmware is the stick on

[rose ocean]

7.17.2

[rose ocean]

Got it to connect. I let it sit for around 10 minutes after re-provisioning and it showed up.

[thorn lichen]

Is there a way to run an automation based on timeout acks from zwavejs? I'm having an issue where every few days zwave devices stop responding and I accumulate a lot of timed out acks that I can view from the controller statistics. If I restart the zwavejs server, everything works again.

I'd like to create an automation to notify me when timeouts start accumulating so I can 1) track better when/how often it's happening and 2) can log in and restart the zwavejs server.

Not sure if there is an event I can listen to or a way to expose sensor(s) with the controller statistics

[compact anvil]

Not sure if it is exposed in HA, but each node has a "statistics" event

[terse zodiac]

afaik it's not passed on to HA just yet

[thorn lichen]

"just yet" is promising 🙂

I'll check out what events are there and see if there's anything I can use.

[terse zodiac]

i know the controller stats get consumed, but not sure if it's an event you can listen to

[thorn lichen]

Yeah, that's what I'm looking into now, how those statistics are being pulled. Hoping I can consume it in a script or something so I can monitor that. Probably won't burn too many cycles on it, really just a bandaid until I can figure out why the timeouts are occurring and fix the actual problem

Easiest thing, think I'm going to set up a new SD card. This one's been in for quite a while, might be starting to go out

[terse zodiac]

SDcard issues won't cause a timeout ACK

[high spindle]

No ssd for pi to boot to?

[terse zodiac]

netboot ftw 😛

[high spindle]

Vm on good hardware is best imo

[terse zodiac]

my pi runs all my USB radios

it's net booting, less power load on the USB port/power supply

[high spindle]

I ordered a yellow that I’ll be moving to but eventually I’ll use a nuc I think

[spring gazelle]

I would expect the zwave_js.event event would expose them. https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zwave_js/#zwave_jsevent

[terse zodiac]

the yellow should be good enough for quite a bit of HA stuff, unlikely you'll need to move to a NUC, or if you wanted, use the NUC for other docker containers 😉

that's all my Pi does is run docker containers

[atomic stump]

Hello, I'm using a Z-wave plus Aeotec Z-Stick 7 to control serveral Aeotec ZW100 sensors. Firmware: 1.15

Since the latest Home Assistant update all sensors are reporting the batteries as being 100% full. I know this to be not correct. What can I do to rectify this.

[terse zodiac]

100% full what?

[atomic stump]

Batteries, have edited original. Cheers

[terse zodiac]

refresh the entity

service: zwave_js.refresh_value

full example:

service: zwave_js.refresh_value
data:
  entity_id: sensor.chime_siren_battery_level

[late adder]

What was the method to avoid the soft reset bug with proxmox and zwavejs2mqtt?

I have this in my docker compose file devices: - '/dev/serial/by-id/usb-0658_0200-if00:/dev/ttyACM0'

[spring gazelle]

The hypervisor would need to be configured to dynamically re-assign the device to the VM

[late adder]

this is what i have in proxmox https://quad.pe/e/rUudnhG7Cc.png

[terse zodiac]

i don't think you'll ever be able to with proxmox

[late adder]

https://github.com/AlCalzone/ioBroker.zwave2/blob/master/docs/en/vm-usb.md

above my pay grade, but seems there is a way

[terse zodiac]

that keeps the device name, but I think the hypervisor won't re-associate the USB device to the VM/container without user intervention

[atomic stump]

Thank you. Have tired on all four sensors and they're still at 100%. Battery sensors from my radiator TRV's are working fine so I think it's just Aeotec.

[spring gazelle]

Did you wake up the devices after issuing the command?

[atomic stump]

Yes

[spring gazelle]

How'd you wake them?

[atomic stump]

Pressed the wake button at the back of them. I removed a battery out of one of them and it did reduce to 50% but as I already said I know that all sensors batteries are not 100% full.

[viscid birch]

So weird, restored from a backup and am on 2022.7.2. My zwave door lock is showing up as unknown in HA now, however, the codes I put in Keymaster (updated to the latest update) are working on the lock, however, I can't unlock/lock the lock in HA. Anyone have any idea next steps to fix this?

zwave js

[terse zodiac]

So the "official" addon then?

[viscid birch]

Yes.

It was working, when I restored from a back up I had to reinstall zwave js in supervisor but it was already in integrations. I installed zwave js in again and lined it up with my usb stick and it enabled what I had paired already.

[terse zodiac]

restart the addon

[viscid birch]

I've restarted core a few times since then, does that restart the addon as well or no?

[civic bone]

No

[viscid birch]

Ok, restarting now.

🤞

damn, still unknown.

trying to stop and then start it back up

still unknown 😦

[terse zodiac]

sounds like maybe your S0 or S2 keys got lost

[viscid birch]

Highest Security says S0 Legacy

[terse zodiac]

yes, but in your addon config is the S0 key present?

[viscid birch]

There is an S2 Access Control Key, S2 Authentication Key and S2 Unauthentication Key in config

oooh and S0 Legacy Key

[terse zodiac]

all are populated?

[viscid birch]

Yup

I wonder since the other zwave sensors aren't "secure" they are working because of that and I just need to reinterview the lock?

[terse zodiac]

you can try to re-interview the lock

[viscid birch]

trying that now

[terse zodiac]

50/50 chance of it working

[viscid birch]

I think maybe the S0 key didn't get transfered over.

[terse zodiac]

well that's bad

because you need that for the lock to work

[viscid birch]

I wonder if I can restore it some how from a back up?

[terse zodiac]

🤷‍♂️

container user, no HAOS

[viscid birch]

huh

[terse zodiac]

I don't use HAOS like you do so I haven't a clue if doing a restore will help

[viscid birch]

ahh ok

[honest solar]

If your backup included the addon, it should be in there and you can restore it

If you're resourceful, you can also just untar the backup and find it yourself without restoring

[bold frigate]

@azure marlin Zwave has been very unreliable for me, especially in the past 2-3 weeks. Had to completely re-provision my network twice (never happened before in 5+ years). I started wondering if the stick was fried somehow. Did multiple factory resets on the stick. Got the Zooz from Amazon & figured I could return if it proves unhelpful/awkward. Not sure if I'm even going to provision it, but I was trying to get things ready & I didn't want to re-pair the world yet again.

[viscid birch]

Interesting. I was able to find an article to retrieve my network key from a back up. I changed it to that in zwave add on. Now all my zwave stuff is unavailable even my lock.

[terse zodiac]

is your stick connected via a USB extension cable?

[terse zodiac]

sounds like the addon isn't running anymore

[viscid birch]

It is, I switched the key back and theya re back to normal

but lock is still unknown

[terse zodiac]

make sure you're running the latest addon

you may need to re-pair the lock, and since it's using S0 that means taking it off the door and bringing the inside bits near the zwave stick

(usually)

[bold frigate]

@terse zodiac It is not connected with an extension cable and never has been. Do they increase reliability? I can add one this evening if it will help.

[honest solar]

Yes

[terse zodiac]

yes, you'll want it to get the stick away from the USB ports and outside any kind of server rack

metal is bad for RF

noisy USB ports are bad for RF as well

[civic bone]

(and USB 3.0 ports are murder)

[bold frigate]

I have some 6' extension cables at home so I will move the stick away from the PC. Those darned Faraday cages of doom.

[terse zodiac]

6ft or 6 inch?

[bold frigate]

6 foot

[terse zodiac]

note you may get mixed results with that length

but you can try it

[bold frigate]

I may have shorter ones, but not 6"

Too much signal degradation in the cable, I assume.

[terse zodiac]

voltage drop over distance

[bold frigate]

Got it. Thanks for the tip!

[terse zodiac]

like i said may get mixed results

doesn't hurt to try

[bold frigate]

Easy enough to experiment with.

[terse zodiac]

i have mine on a USB hub that has about 3-4" of cable between the usb ports and my hub/sticks

works great

[bold frigate]

👍

[bold frigate]

Found a 3' USB extension cord & threw it into the mix. 🤞

[zenith turtle]

Anyone else attempt to pair the new Zooz Zen20 power strip? Mine paired on the second attempt but the lights are still blinking as if the power strip were still in pairing mode.

[zenith turtle]

Fixed it myself. Just power cycled the power strip at the physical switch

That said, I see the setup is still an absolute cluster fuck.

Very difficult to differentiate between the various W, V, A, and kWh entities.

[lime delta]

Anyone successfully use the new firmware update feature on ZwaveJS installs? It is not working for me and it seems the file I pick to upload isn't being transferred to the Pi. No traffic on my ethernet after hitting update. It also just spins away where the progress bar should be.

[lyric sapphire]

are you updating a battery powered device?

[lime delta]

Yes

Zooz moton sensor. I have tried setting it off before and after triggering an update

[lyric sapphire]

you have to wake it up

the manual should say how to do it

triggering it is different from wake up

[lime delta]

Was just about to ask that.

Firmware in route. Thank you

[still wing]

This is more of a placement/theory question - I have a 700 series zooz switch that I intended to replace a (i believe) 500 series Jasco switch, but I got that Jasco to start working. So now I would like to optimally replace an older switch somewhere else in the house.

Would it be better to go to the furthest 500-series switch and replace that? Or would it be better to put it closer to the ZST-10 in my office? Possibly somewhere in between (like in a cluster in the garage)?

I don't have a lot of dead zones or anything - everything can connect and works as is

[compact anvil]

You can try and use the health check tool in zwavejs2mqtt. Test each node and if one has higher latency, or bad SNR margin it might be worth putting a repeater between it and the controller.

[terse zodiac]

My Jasco devices, before they failed completely, would stop working then suddenly start working again, then a bit later blow up

be prepared to replace it

[somber shuttle]

There are 700 series devices?

[terse zodiac]

yes

Zooz's newer devices use 700 series

[high spindle]

I’m almost all 700 s2 devices

[sturdy juniper]

Anyone know if the Zooz 700 switch
https://www.amazon.com/Network-Control-Controller-ZEN34-Required/dp/B08TMWLY74/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3HQNKIGHKGH05&keywords=zwave+button&qid=1657646705&sprefix=z+wave+button%2Caps%2C129&sr=8-3

works with the aeotec z-stick?
"The ZEN34 is supported by: SmartThings (with a custom handler, instructions included with the product), Hubitat, Home Assistant, and HomeSeer. Please do NOT buy this device if your hub isn't listed here, it will not be recognized correctly by your system."

[spring gazelle]

It would be compatible with any USB stick

[high spindle]

That’s the beauty of using home assistant and zwave js

No being tied to hubs and shit

[sturdy juniper]

sweet, thanks - first time messing with zwave and didn't want to deal with returns

[spring gazelle]

depending on your version of the Z-Stick, you may or may not be able to use Smart Start for inclusion. Otherwise, it works. The hub comment refers to functionality provided to the application.

[sturdy juniper]

gotcha
yeah it's the Aeotec Z-Stick Gen5 Plus

[spring gazelle]

That version is the latest 500, so it's good.

[high spindle]

Zooz 700 sticks are on sale on Amazon for prime day btw

[sturdy juniper]

is it as good as the aeotec? I can cancel that order and swap it if so

[high spindle]

I think I’ve read here that the aeotec has a slightly better antenna design but both use the same chipset

[terse zodiac]

the 700 series sticks should be able to support ZwaveLR once it's ready too

[spring gazelle]

There have also been reports that the Z-Stick 7 has worse range than the others, despite the supposedly better antenna design.

YMMV

[high spindle]

Ya but aren’t those reports from dummies like me that don’t understand much about zwave and it’s usually a config issue or lack of decent network?

[spring gazelle]

https://github.com/zwave-js/node-zwave-js/issues/4352#issuecomment-1174988913

[somber shuttle]

Epic fail. So the reason my switch wouldn’t turn on is because my neutral wire was hooked up to traveler on the switch

[terse zodiac]

so you connected the neutral wire to the traveler spot on the switch?

[still wing]

Once I updated the firmware to my ZST 10 (that 700 series by zooz), it's been really solid. If I had to choose again, I'd stick with Zooz. In fact, most of their product line has been impressive and the price is perfect - I think I spent $25 on the last switch and those Jasco go for 50-60.

[high spindle]

Their sales are pretty significant drops in price from standard

[somber shuttle]

Yep. Now that I switched it, works.

[terse zodiac]

lucky

most of the time that'd blow up the switch

[sturdy juniper]

I just bought 5 jasco dimmers on the Amazon sale - am I going to regret not getting zooz instead?

[high spindle]

i was told to run from ge/jasco and lots of people seem to agree here + on the forums

[spring gazelle]

I haven't had any issues with mine.

[high spindle]

you just missed a huge zooz sale for memorial day.. not sure how often they slash prices down that far

i think black friday was last time i saw them have huge discounts

[spring gazelle]

Pretty sure they have the same discounts every holiday sale

[high spindle]

ya just saying they arent that often

[sturdy juniper]

One thing I specifically want is to be able to set dim light at night, full bright during day - does either switch do that better?

[spring gazelle]

For a manual switch toggle?

[sturdy juniper]

Yeah

[high spindle]

you'll most likely be doing that with an automation with hass but it depends on if you use smart bulbs

[spring gazelle]

My Zooz has min/max brightness. Doubt GE/Jasco do, you'd have to check the config params.

GE/Jasco are pretty light on the configuration options. Zooz and Inovelli have a lot in comparison.

[sturdy juniper]

Grr going to want to cancel that order aren't I lol

[high spindle]

did you order dimmer switches?

i decided to go non-dimmer switches with smart bulbs so i get the best of both worlds

[spring gazelle]

Check the config options

This GE has brightness settings. https://devices.zwave-js.io/?jumpTo=0x0063:0x4944:0x3235:0.0

[sturdy juniper]

Yeah dimmers

[sturdy juniper]

Perfect, I see a default brightness for manual mode
Thanks!

[spring gazelle]

Yeah. That was for the first GE Z-Wave switch I saw on Amazon

[somber shuttle]

uhhh wow.

if a switch blows up, how would I know?

[terse zodiac]

the magic smoke would be released

[sweet herald]

Guys for the zwavejs integration, I ran a heal network on some of my aeotec devices to make sure they have the best path back to the controller (as some are not taking firmware updates due to it timing out). The heals worked, but I was very surprised to see my main pc which was playing youtube videos in the living room (a hefty 16core 5950x pc), start to freeze/stutter. Its on a wired connection back to the main house router, which is also how HA connects back to the main router. Any ideas how a zwave heal can cause such a 'storm' on the ethernet network? I thought zwave heal / storm wouldn't affect wired ethernet devices.

[terse zodiac]

zwave doesn't do anything to ethernet

[still wing]

I've owned jasco switches for years and they have been very reliable. But Zooz is giving then a run for their money as inexpensive as they are.

I'd definitely go to www the smartest house.com to see if they have a better deal than what you have on Amazon

[somber shuttle]

hrm haven't seen that.

[terse zodiac]

you should be fine then

[somber shuttle]

so this switch is on firmware 10.10

[sweet herald]

I am initiating the heal from the same PC, unless its the home assistant tab, while the heal is running, somehow receiving tons of traffic? Very strange for sure. Let me try a heal from my phone and see if the pc freezes. If not I'll check the chrome network tab on the HA window to see whats happening at that moment while a heal is ongoing.

[somber shuttle]

website says 10.20 is available as OTA. anyone know what that means?

[terse zodiac]

you don't need to update unless you're looking for a feature they've added or some kind of bug fix

[terse zodiac]

if you have the zwavejs logs tab open chrome's gonna eat RAM like candy

[sweet herald]

I have a 10 aeotec multisensor zwave devices. Some are showing firmware 1.15, some 1.14. I'm trying to update the older firmwares to the newer version to fix an issue where some sensor readings are crazy from time to time. Many of the firmware updates are very slow, probably due to the distance, but they are progressing. The firmware update is reporting a timeout though. Is this a zwavejs enforced timeout or coming from the device? I can of course move them closer to the controller if its something I can't get past? Some of the sensors don't show a firmware version at all in the UI, even after re-interviewing. Does anyone know why this might be the case.

[terse zodiac]

the device is timing out

likely poor RF signal

[sweet herald]

You were right, I moved the device closer and the firmware update process completed. After restarting one of the sensors and reinterviewing it, it still shows the old version of the firmware. Does zwavejs re-ask for the firmware version, or is it only on initial discovery of a sensor?

[terse zodiac]

it updates on re-interview

make sure your zwave stick is on a usb extension

[sweet herald]

Ah right, I must have done something wrong. I used the .hec firmware update files provided by aeotec, it said firmware update completed, pending restart, but the reinterview still seems to show a version of 1.14, not 1.15 hmm

[deft pumice]

I'm running an older Aeotec 5 Zwave Stick. I'm looking to upgrade to the Zooz 700 Series stick. Is there an easy way to migrate, or do I need to rebuild from scratch?

[terse zodiac]

if you update it's firmware to 1.02 you can do a NVMbackup and restore

[somber shuttle]

funny when I wanted to buy my zwave stick, I was debating between the zooz and aeotec stick. the aeotec seemed better but the zooz was cheaper.

[high spindle]

did you reload the integration?

mine didnt show the new version until i reloaded zwave-js

so since i moved over to z2m i'm a bit confused with best practices now.. do i still edit parameters with the gui of zwave-js or only in mqtt gui?

[spring gazelle]

whichever you prefer

[high spindle]

is there anything i should do preemptively such as a nvm backup in case my usb stick dies?

does it help to add names and locations within z2mqtt if they're already set in home assistant devices?

[deft pumice]

@terse zodiac Upgrading the firmware on Aeotec or the Zooz? @somber shuttle I wanted to go with the Aeotec 7, but it has been in stock on Amazon and wanted to tryout some of the newer Zwave devices and features that are only available with 700 Series of Zwave.

[spring gazelle]

what features are only available with 700?

[somber shuttle]

not upgrade. my first zwave stick. lol.

yeah, $29 vs $60

[terse zodiac]

firmware on the stick

aeotec

[deft pumice]

@terse zodiac Thanks. I'll give that a shot. @spring gazelle My understanding was it increases the range, reduce energy by optimizing device communication, at the same time, it had more accurate battery life readings. (Though I'm skeptical), but more importantly, after per-ordering one of the Innovelli 5 button switches that has been significantly delayed, the features that they wanted to release on that device were not possible with Gen5. Where Zooz released a similar switch, but on the 700 series, so it would appear that in order to have more functionality with some of the newer devices, that the 700 series would be required. --- Could be wrong about all of this though.

[terse zodiac]

700 series devices are backwards compatible with 500

a 700 series sensor/device will talk to a 500 series stick

[spring gazelle]

Yeah, the controller isn't relevant to all those features.

[still wing]

When looking at the network graph in zwave2mqtt, does the RSSI score indicate what kind of signal that device is getting? ie does that mean the lowest RSSI is the device I should change? Or does that mean I need to replace one hope before that one?

and is it possible to change a route? I have a lot of bulbs that are acting as repeaters and it seems like if it loses power, that other device has one less route? I would think the bulbs would primarily be an end device

[terse zodiac]

the closer to 0 the RSSI the better

no you cannot change a route

[spring gazelle]

Wouldn't you want to leave power to smart bulbs, otherwise, if they're off they aren't smart anymore?

[terse zodiac]

ALL zwave nodes are repeaters, you should never be turning off a smart bulb technically

[deft pumice]

Thank you. I thought it was only that 700 sticks were backwards compatible with 500 devices. Didn't know a 700 device could work with a 500 stick. Are there any known limitations outside of the S2 security?

[terse zodiac]

500 series support S2

[deft pumice]

Well - From my understanding, the newer Gen5 Aeotech sticks do, but my older version on the Gen5 does not. Maybe that Firmware fixed that though.

[honest solar]

it will

[terse zodiac]

it's fixed in a firmware update

S2 and SmartStart

[spring gazelle]

I think the Gen5 supports S2, just not SmartStart. Have you had a problem including with S2?

because it's zwave-js that implements S2

[deft pumice]

@terse zodiac @honest solar Thanks. Going to work on an update when I get home from work. JS reports Aeotec is on Firmware 1.1 right now. @spring gazelle Just bought a newer Kwikset Zwave Door Lock maybe 2-3 months ago and S2 was not successful.

[spring gazelle]

What didn't work exactly?

Do you have a Home Connect 620 lock?

[deft pumice]

I went through JS to do the pairing process and failed both times, even when I had the failover to just basic encryption. I believe I ended up telling it just to use the basic encryption during the pairing process and it worked.

I only have Kwikset Zwave Locks. The others are the older gen.

[spring gazelle]

There's only one model of Kwikset lock that supports S2, AFAIK, the HC 620.

[deft pumice]

Well - That would make sense then. Thought it had something to do with Zwave+. Thankfully I needed a new lock, and wasn't just purchasing solely for that.

Thanks for letting me know! Headed home.

[somber shuttle]

hrm so does home assistant support firmware updates or is that a zwavejs2mqtt thing?

[spring gazelle]

both do

[somber shuttle]

don't see it in HA's interface

I think I updated my switch with zwavejs2mqtt

[deft pumice]

In Zwave-JS, Click the Device > Click Advanced > You'll see the Firmware Update on that popup screen. Though, I've never used it before.

[somber shuttle]

yeah that's the way I did it

I must say it's pretty neat.

[spring gazelle]

Added in 2022.7 release

[somber shuttle]

oh

I need to update the container I guess

https://i.imgur.com/zMEsOIv.jpg <-- is what mine looks like

[zenith turtle]

So I received an interesting response from Zooz support when I mentioned that entity naming for the Zen20, which creates 22-25 entities when added, is all over the place and needs improvement. Their response was Home Assistant sets the naming for the channel entities. We do not have much input as far as how the device displays within the interface, unfortunately. Is this true?

[spring gazelle]

HA gets the info from Z-Wave JS. Zooz, nor any vendor, has no control over any of that.

Naming is standardized and not specific to any particular device

[zenith turtle]

Interesting. It's really a challenge in so far as the "default" entity names are quite similar to one another and in no way discernible up front.

As I'm sure you can imagine, a five port power strip with energy monitoring results in 20+ entities all with similar names and none of which correspond to the name printed on the outer shell of the power strip. 🙂

I had to grab a couple laptops and plug them in to the strip so I could correlate HA entities to the specific port being used.

[spring gazelle]

In your case, probably this issue: https://github.com/zwave-js/node-zwave-js/issues/3183

[zenith turtle]

Yes, precisely.

Time to add my two cents to that feature enhancement I suppose.

[somber shuttle]

ah lovely 1.1GB container

This is what I get for running a garbage ARM32 device

[red rampart]

Hi, I recently had to swap out my "remote" rapsberry and did a restore (on the same lan as my main HA instance) The zwave-JS integration then have the wrong ip to the remote instance and cannot connect. No new integration is popping up. Is there a way to change the IP of the Zwave JS integration? (The remote HA is the same as the previous one without any changes except for the IP)

[still wing]

I've gone through my devices and wrote down the RSSI values - i have a range of -58 to -89, so I would think I would want to replace that -89 (500 series Jasco) with a zoon 700 series? Would it be better to find something between the hub and the -89 switch?

[terse zodiac]

they're labeled with CH1 or CH2 etc this correlates with the outlets labeled as 1 or 2 (last time I had added it to the network)

[terse zodiac]

the RSSI values are not static, it could also just be that your switch is in a location that's shielded

[terse zodiac]

why on earth would you run two instances of HA on the same network?

[plush scroll]

Just add the integration again without removing it

[red rampart]

Because the barn is too far away from the house to be able to use one zwave network 😉

[red rampart]

Thanks, seems like it is sorted now, had some issues with heat on the RPi causing the remote instance to hang

[spring gazelle]

You don't need two HA instances to run two z-wave networks

[surreal swift]

Anybody have any idea why I would be able to control z-wave devices via the Z-Wave JS web UI but they don't show up in my devices?

[spring gazelle]

web UI, as in zwavejs2mqtt?

[surreal swift]

Yes, sorry. It's zwavejs2mqtt

[spring gazelle]

did you install the z-wave js integration?

[surreal swift]

I had it installed. But it was running into issues after the update so I deleted it. If I try to add it now it says "failled to get z-wave js addon info"

I thought zwavejs2mqtt and zwave js couldn't run at the same time

[spring gazelle]

The add-ons can't run at the same time. There's only one integration.

If you have the official add-on still installed, you should remove it.

[surreal swift]

I did remove the Z-Wave JS integration

[spring gazelle]

add-on is not the same as integration

You removed the integration, so no devices.

[surreal swift]

I don't have the integration. Just the JS to MQTT integration

sorry, addon

the only z-wave addon I have is JS to MQTT

[spring gazelle]

Then install the integration by following the add-on docs (or the docs linked above)

Do not check the "use supervisor" option

[surreal swift]

if I don't uncheck that option, it defaults to ws://localhost:3000, which doesn't work. What should be in that line?

*don't check

[spring gazelle]

Did you read the docs?

[surreal swift]

I thought I did but I see that I missed a link that gives more instructions. I'll follow that and report back

[spring gazelle]

https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-zwavejs2mqtt/blob/main/zwavejs2mqtt/DOCS.md#setting-up-the-home-assistant-z-wave-js-integration
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zwave_js/#installing-and-configuring-the-z-wave-js-integration-in-home-assistant

[surreal swift]

That URL was what I was stuck on. It's stuck on the spinning ring so I assume it's installing. I'll give it some time

Thanks for your help. Sometimes I just need someone to tell me "check again"

[honest solar]

get yourself a rubber duck

[surreal swift]

Hey I get that reference!

[honest solar]

they have all the answers

[turbid knot]

is there any easy way to add custom config (device configs) files to zwavejs2mqtt addon ?

[terse zodiac]

yes

[turbid knot]

what am i missing, i dont see any exposed data for the container ?

[terse zodiac]

then you didn't map a path

    volumes:
      - /home/pi/.zwavejs_cache-700/store:/usr/src/app/store

you need a persistent storage location like that

for my example, custom config goes in /home/pi/.zwavejs_cache-700/store/config/

pi@friday:~/.zwavejs_cache-700/store/config $ ls -l
total 12
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9704 Nov  9  2021 lzw30-sn.json

like so

[turbid knot]

yes, but i cant define this when i use the "addon" can i? when running core and seperate containers this is easy enough.
The addon only allows for a few parameters

[terse zodiac]

oh sorry missed the 'addon' part

I guess you can try the store tab in the UI

might work

[turbid knot]

i can access the container and do a curl/wget to the file, so i can fix it that way. Was just hoping for better way 🙂

[terse zodiac]

part of the freedom you give up when doing addons

[turbid knot]

yeah, is there anyway to get the sidebar reverse proxy when doing core? one of the selling points i gues

[spring gazelle]

store UI does work

[turbid knot]

doesn´t allow me to upload a file does it, only download and create files ?

[spring gazelle]

Can do both

Click the yellow folder icon to make directories

click the blue file icon to make files

copy / paste / write text in the right panel

[terse zodiac]

I reverse proxy without HAOS/Supervised just fine 🙂

[turbid knot]

Yeah, i did to with subdomains and traefik, but the sidebar is harder to replicate, so it you dont have to use multiple auth sources

[terse zodiac]

🤷‍♂️ I use dashy

https://imgur.com/XNEQfp2

[high spindle]

what do you mean?

i still get the hass sidebar when exposing hass via nginx to a subdomain

[turbid knot]

Was thinking about zwavejs2mqtt panel as sidebar, where it is exposed from the home-assistant entrypoint where auth is then handled from ha

[high spindle]

you mean expose z2m via nginx instead of just accessing it through hass?

i dont see the point but even if you want to it should be fine with an ACL

[turbid knot]

@high spindle what do mean with expose it trough hass?

[high spindle]

better if you explain your end goal

[turbid knot]

hass-os lets you add zjs2m as sidebar, where hass it self does tunneling for you(?). so if you example use nabucasa you can access everything from that endpoint and auth is controlled from hass.

I can sidebar and iframe my self, but that wont do any tunneling for me.

[high spindle]

do you not have any server equipment at home?

if not then why not just use nginxproxymanager and cloudflare

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743144302334443622/996899202971996160/unknown.png

that is from my subdomain not local with no nabu casa subscription

[turbid knot]

yeah, i can do that in several ways. Just trying to avoid multiple moving parts, ha is one those thing that i just want to work.

[high spindle]

all nabu casa subscription does is gives you ddns basically

you can just do that yourself

[terse zodiac]

there's some extra perks too

[high spindle]

you mean the insta-google-amazon options?

i consider those spyware haha

[terse zodiac]

nah there's that nabuacasa TTS stuff too

[high spindle]

never looked into it much tbh. the attitude of the dev team and mods here prevent me from suggesting their revenue streams 😉

great overall community though!

[terse zodiac]

🤷‍♂️ I've always had good interactions with everyone so I can't say

[high spindle]

my one on one interactions with >50 people in this very server contradicts that lol

[honest solar]

That is called "Ingress"

and it's a function of the Supervisor, and unrelated to how you access HA in the first place - via Nabu Casa remote, NGINX, or direct connect

[turbid knot]

Yeah, but i dont see any way to replicate with let’s say traefic as ingress controller

[terse zodiac]

you could, but you're already setup with HAOS

[honest solar]

you can always create a panel_iframe to point to a website as long as it's accessible

if they're already running HA OS, then Ingress should work fine regardless of the path to HA

[turbid knot]

Yeah, with iframe I basically have to do my own auth protection

[terse zodiac]

I think zwavejs2mqtt can do it's own auth if you want to set that up as well, just some ideas

but i say if it's working for you now, no need to "fix" it

[turbid knot]

yes it has, but then i rather do authelia for zjs2m and z2m

if that's the case

[high spindle]

if he's already using haos and no server or anything else then why not host nginx on haos

or authelia yea

[terse zodiac]

I'd use a middleware in traefik to oauth my login if i wanted zwavejs exposed externally

right now it's only exposed on my internal lan via traefik

[high spindle]

i'm still wondering if cloudflare argo tunnel isnt the way

they have all the IXPs so pretty fast when proxying through their servers

you dont even have to expose ports if you let them man in the middle

[terse zodiac]

i don't expose ports with traefik either, except 443

[high spindle]

ya but these days you can let cloudflare MITM and literally not even expose ports

great for CG-NAT too

[terse zodiac]

ya I could... but since my ISP doesn't block any ports I figured why 😛

[high spindle]

same but i like the option for other nerds

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/552293123766878210/996914632520384602/unknown.png

[terse zodiac]

ya I'm gig symmetrical too 😛

[somber shuttle]

Unable to update firmware on Z-Wave Plus 700 Series S2 Dimmer Switch: Invalid Firmware Target.
<-- boooooo

[spring gazelle]

pick the right target?

[somber shuttle]

I did. Anyway, different issue now

the paddles do not work at all

which means I can't exclude it

i can't do a factory reset either

fixed by killing power to it

POS

[topaz bloom]

HA does not find Zooz Z-wave stick

[open estuary]

Trying to upgrade some Inovelli switches using Z-Wave JS version: 0.1.64 and I keep getting this error: "Z-Wave error 1501: Failed to start the update: Firmware target #0 is not upgradable! (ZW1501)"

[terse zodiac]

which device is it? LZW30?

[high spindle]

is it worth buying name brand cr123a batteries for stuff like motion sensors?

[terse zodiac]

usually when I get batteries for things, I try to find the best deal in bulk quantities, not usually caring about the brand

[open estuary]

LZW31, LZW31-SN

[terse zodiac]

0 should be the correct target, try a heal node on one of them first, then a re-interview, then try the firmware upgrade
also if i recall on the -SN models you also update target 1

[zenith turtle]

So if I have access to a couple of Configuration Parameters for a given device that are missing from the ZwaveJS ConfigDB Browser, how do I go about sharing that information so that these parameters can be added to the config?

[compact anvil]

As an issue in the node-zwave-js repo, or even better as a PR there

[hearty vigil]

so I was browsing the issue tracker a bit... is the general consensus that if we have a flat network graph, it really doesn't matter? assuming my z-wave network is working as intended.

[terse zodiac]

correct the graph means very little

[hearty vigil]

all my end devices have neighbors, it's basically just the controller that doesn't show neighbors.

mmk 🙂

[spring gazelle]

which controller?

[sturdy juniper]

So I'm a little unimpressed with my first zooz product

I need to dig through their changelog to figure out if there's newer firmware

Then they don't even provide it there, I need to reach out to support with an order number just to get the file

[spring gazelle]

Better than 90% of z-wave vendors

[sturdy juniper]

that's pretty pathetic to be honest

[spring gazelle]

Z-Wave JS's upcoming firmware auto-updates will forego the need to do emails (assuming Zooz is on board, which I think they are). Providing an order number is hardly an inconvenience, IMO.

[sturdy juniper]

Reaching out to support in the first place is the inconvenience

[spring gazelle]

Stick to Aeotec, Jasco (now), or Inovelli (can't buy), if you want public downloadable firmware.

[sturdy juniper]

should just be a download link on the product page, or manual page, or changelog page

[storm wren]

How do people find firmware updates for their devices? Do k need to look on some specific place? Currently owning some leviton DZ6HD-1BZ and DZ15S bot at version 1.20

[spring gazelle]

Usually with the manufacturer

Some Leviton version were posted here https://github.com/zwave-js/node-zwave-js/discussions/4087

[sturdy juniper]

Grabbed Z-Wave JS to MQTT
You add the node within the addon control panel?
or within the integration?

Also re: the earlier conversation
from Zooz:
"We are currently working on a customer portal to allow direct access to firmware files as well as optional notifications regarding firmware updates, and the portal is scheduled to go live next week. "

[spring gazelle]

You can add nodes however you prefer, z2m let's you pre-fill names and locations, which might get populated in HA w/o restarting.

[storm wren]

Interesting

[spring gazelle]

I was assuming Zooz is talking about the z-wave js firmware service

Or maybe they're doing their own thing

[sturdy juniper]

z-wave js to mqtt
Anything I can do with this node?
Been spinning all day - no idea what it is
https://i.imgur.com/YvXXcC8.png
to my knowledge I only have one zwave device, which I've already added

[fringe trout]

having a sudden issue with my FGS 223 Fibaro double switch (attached to my pond pumps). toggling always switched between on/off. while currently it has changed to some reverse mode. seems the direction changes upon toggle. I havent changed anything in the configuration, but do see Param 20 set to 'Toggle switch (device changes status...)'

seems the correct choice, the others are Momentary, or Toggle switch (contact closed - On, contact opened - Off).. nowhere can I find a setting that reverses the direction...

ofc, it could also be that my pumps are seeing the end of days.... but still it would be odd for them to suddenly start acting up like this?

[compact anvil]

Can you put a light bulb in place of the pump to test?

[fringe trout]

smart! yes I guess I can. ive got those pumps on an outdoors socket 😉 I'll be back

So, a quick test reveals the light actually turns on/off according to the Switch toggle correctly

[fringe trout]

But! I just realized it might be the balancing of the waterlevel causing the reverse flow… hmmm seems not a Zwave issue after all then ;

[plush scroll]

Zooz is also in the process of posting their files online generally

[zenith turtle]

2022-07-15 09:50:29.788 INFO ZWAVE: Node 26: has returned from the dead - I really need to update my 700 stick firmware...

[high spindle]

do-it.gif

[onyx cobalt]

i am planning to slowly build out my home assistant stuff for my small apartment, but im not sure what i should do re zwave or zigbee. will the "GoControl" hub on amazon work for me? it says it does both zwave and zigbee. or should i just get something else that only does one of those and stay in that eco system?

if it matters, i run my HA via a docker container via a linux server, and my apartment is not so big

[civic bone]

It's a not awesome controller, older generation on both Zigbee and Z-Wave

Now, pragmatically you probably want to pick one and start with it, and then maybe get into the second one

[onyx cobalt]

i suppose the key things im looking towards in the future are just some smart switches/plugs, sensors of various kinds and motorized blinds

[civic bone]

Both are mesh networks, they're built by the mains powered devices

So, building two overlapping meshes is expensive

[cedar shuttle]

My system has meshes for both, but only due to smart bulbs not coming in Z-Wave variants, at least from personal experience...

Z-Wave is the primary mesh though, with only enough Zigbee gear to establish a mesh range over the entire home...

[high spindle]

i've got both here, but my zigbee mesh sucks until i move off my hue hub. really happy with my zooz 700 series stuff for zwave

[olive shell]

Trying to transition from ZwaveJS to zwave2mqtt with only partial luck. I've completely removed ZwaveJS (the addon and integration) and done a few restarts. Zwave2mqtt says "Drivers Ready" and it sees my devices, even successfully interviewed one. But I can't get the data back into HA. Re-adding the Zwave integration keeps failing at the URL. Thoughts?

[spring gazelle]

zwave2mqtt or zwavejs2mqtt?

[olive shell]

zwavejs2mqtt

[spring gazelle]

how is it installed? is it the correct url? what's the error?

[olive shell]

The add-on is installed with no extra changes. Port 3000 is listed in the settings. When I go to add the ZwaveJS integration (making sure to uncheck the supervisor box), the URL fails.

[spring gazelle]

you specified the addon url?

the default is localhost, which isn't correct for the add-on

[olive shell]

Yeah I specified it. I figured it out. Under the addon config I needed to specify the port. The wording is really weird, I had to "show disabled ports" before I could specify the port I wanted to use.

[spring gazelle]

you don't need to set any ports

[zenith turtle]

How does one go about restarting the zwave network these days? Short of rebooting my VM, of course.

[spring gazelle]

restart the software?

[zenith turtle]

Ended up restarting my VM. Entire zwave mesh disappeared as a result. I knew something screwy was going on...

[compact anvil]

Either restart the addon or pull the stick and put it back

[zenith turtle]

Welp, whoever said the Zooz firmware would work with the Silabs 700 stick was wrong

[zenith turtle]

TIL an NVM backup does naughty things to a 700 series setup.

[cosmic island]

Double relay switch - is there a way to name S1 and S2 in zwavejs2mqtt or how do you guys document what's on each output?

[spring gazelle]

the silabs and zooz firmware files are bit-identical, i.e. the same file

oh, silabs stick... never heard anyone say the files are compatible. silabs stick uses the other chipset, different file

[high spindle]

I followed aeotec directions to update my si labs stick

[sturdy juniper]

Is there a trick to getting the zen34 to use direct association in zwavejs2mqtt?

I thought I had it set up correctly but I just can't get the switch to do anything
https://i.imgur.com/km9XNsC.png

[spring gazelle]

any difference if the target endpoint is None?

[sturdy juniper]

Set up like so
doesn't seem like it
https://i.imgur.com/LD6RE4h.png

[spring gazelle]

same security level? e.g. s2 authenticated and s2 authenticated

[sturdy juniper]

oooh you got me
one is s2 unauth, one is s2 auth
Is there a way to change that on one of the nodes?

[spring gazelle]

re-include

[sturdy juniper]

working now
thanks!

[high spindle]

i'm still confused with direct association and how to play around with it

[queen patrol]

anyone running UZB on raspberry Pi here? When i plug it in the pi it does not pop-up under notifications, like it aint recognized by the rpi?

[compact anvil]

That's probably because the whole topic is super confusing

[high spindle]

i've tried to google and find examples and it's usually not home assistant related and hard to extrapolate

[lyric sapphire]

I have direct association working in zwavejs2mqtt

it's for a remote light switch

[high spindle]

i need a bit of help.. i have a zse40 multisensor from zooz which used to be node33. it stopped responding and i didnt even think to try a new battery so instead i removed a failed node (not excluded) with zwave-js then tried to factory reset my zse40 since i cant exclude it anymore

i'm following the instructions online yet keep seeing 2022-07-17T20:08:47.426Z SERIAL » [ACK] (0x06) 2022-07-17T20:08:47.885Z SERIAL « 0x012300a81401211a9f03fa00b53ad3a34c505f16f1804741aaf79204621ecf260 (37 bytes 99500d5f6 2022-07-17T20:08:47.888Z DRIVER Dropping message with invalid payload 2022-07-17T20:08:47.890Z DRIVER « [Node 033] [REQ] [BridgeApplicationCommand] │ type: broadcast │ target node: 255 │ RSSI: -43 dBm └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation] [INVALID] error: Duplicate command

that means it is still trying to talk to the controller and isnt actually factory reset, right?

i got it.. it wanted my reset button pushes more firmly and faster https://www.support.getzooz.com/kb/article/71-how-do-i-perform-hard-reset-on-my-zse40-4-in-1-sensor/

[winged stone]

Anyone here have experience with a zen32?

[spring gazelle]

what's the question?

[somber shuttle]

out of curiousity, has anyone successfully updated their device firmware with HA?

[spring gazelle]

yes

[somber shuttle]

hrm ok. wonder why it's failing here.

maybe need to use HAOS 🙂

[terse zodiac]

try a heal node first, then do the firmware upgrade

[somber shuttle]

it basically goes to 100% and then tells me it failed

might be some zwavejs2mqtt odditity

[terse zodiac]

check the driver log

[uncut fog]

Hi all. I have home assistant OS installed on a rPi 4 and I’m trying to get zooz switches set up. I am using the officially supported zwave JS addon and integration and have also tried the Zwavejs2Mqtt add on. I have tried both zstick2 and aeotec 700 stick. Both were updated to firmware 7.17.2. When I go to do the inclusion of my new switches the integration just sits and spins. I have factory rest the stick to no avail. This whole setup is brand new. Any help is very appreciated.

Email zooz support and they said the don’t have a HA setup to help with trouble shooting and directed me here. IMO feels like a cop out.

[terse zodiac]

scan the QR code and enter it

[spring gazelle]

If you're not using the QR code, you have to physically activate the device to include it.

[uncut fog]

When I do that it sits in a limbo state I forgot what it’s called.

[terse zodiac]

make sure your zwave stick is on an USB extension cable so it's away from your USB ports

[uncut fog]

When you say physical activate it you mean putting the device in pairing mode? I do that by pushing a button on the switch 3 times and it blinks for 30 seconds

[spring gazelle]

yes

[uncut fog]

Oh yea? Ok I’ll try that

[uncut fog]

So the HA OS is searching and the switches are searching but no pairing up. I tried to do it manually and HA put it into a state that basically said when the switch comes online it would include it but that never happened

[terse zodiac]

do the extension

[uncut fog]

Ok I’ll report back thank you.

[somber shuttle]

I assume this only applies to USB3 ports

[terse zodiac]

all

[somber shuttle]

why would it be all?

[terse zodiac]

EMI/EMF

[somber shuttle]

I know USB3 is a large source of that

[terse zodiac]

all usb ports are noisy

and next to noisy other bits too usually

the main reason is many put their sticks next to sources of noise inadvertently or behind servers with metal chassis or inside metal server racks, metal and RF are a bad combo

(that's my reasoning for recommending, other than the EMI)

[somber shuttle]

what about something like this? https://www.amazon.com/Z-Wave-Me-RaZberry2-Plug-Raspberry-frequency/dp/B01M3Q764U

crazy that a GPIO module is more expensive than a USB one

[compact anvil]

You'll want the 700 series version though

[fringe trout]

just to be sure: if I want to move the zwave-js add-on from a dedicated Pi Ha instance to my new mini pc, can I simply pull the usb and attach it to the mini pc, install the add-on and we're set? The zwave-js integration on the mini pc is now connected to the add-on on the pi, I only need to re-direct that?

[high spindle]

i moved my whole haos from vm to pi and restored from backup and it brought everything back (including zwave-js) so i think you can do that with just the addon no problem

plus it shouldnt break everything on old install even if it doesnt work on new mini pc

[terse zodiac]

or nuke the HAOS on the Pi, install the Pi OS slap in docker and use that for your radio sticks 😛

[fringe trout]

Yeah but then I’d still have a second device… what would be the advantage there?

Other than my reason I used the device in the first place : spread your risk…

[fringe trout]

well.Ive made the move, see all devices and entities. but the only entities alive are the Ping button and node status.... all other entities are unavailable

Network Connected says 32 devices (31 not ready)...

[spring gazelle]

Sounds like you didn't restore the add-on backup?

[fringe trout]

uhm, no, I installed the add-on for the first time on my new mini pc.

[spring gazelle]

well, time to re-interview the nodes then

why not restore a backup?

of the add-on

[fringe trout]

can I dl that from the one instance and copy to the second (new)?

[spring gazelle]

isn't that the purpose of backups?

or, a purpose, at least

[fringe trout]

haha, probably yes... didnt think of the partly backup tbh

[spring gazelle]

the add-on stores all of the driver cache files. w/o those, it has to re-interview everything. powered nodes re-interview automatically, although it might take time on a full network.

battery nodes interview on wake up, which may take some time

[fringe trout]

ok thanks. let me see if I can find that...

MAGIC!!

everything is back 😉

now let's see where this takes my mini pc processor usage, having killed two other dedicated Z-wave and Mqtt instances and migrated those to the 1 mini pc production instance..

[uncut fog]

That did it! I think that’s crazy!

I got one to adopt but the other switch I think is frozen. But I know the stick works!

[terse zodiac]

you can pull the air gap tab to "reboot" it without throwing your breaker

[high spindle]

i had the same issues and it was a mixture of stick not on a usb extender + expecting magic with long range and no repeaters for my door locks.. once i put a few zooz light switches in and added a usb extender i realized how bad my initial "mesh" was lol

[proven glen]

Anyone have the Zooz Z-Wave Plus 700 Series Remote Switch ZEN34 (Battery Powered)

[spring gazelle]

Recommend you just ask the question

[proven glen]

What’s the battery life on it

[spring gazelle]

That's a tough one to answer 😅. Depends on how often you press the button I suppose.

https://www.support.getzooz.com/new/

[proven glen]

If you have one how long have you gone before replacing the battery

Just want a ballpark estimate

[spring gazelle]

I don't have one, I know others do. Maybe you'll get an answer later.

[fading pumice]

Hey all, would appreciate any feedback on this. Running zwavejs2mqtt latest versions of everything. I have a few zwave devices, specifically GE/Jasco outdoor lighting control modules 45604 (I know they are old but they are reliable) that go unavailable randomly (looks like when I apply system updates and perform a reboot). Manually clicking the button on these devices to power cycle them magically makes HA see them again. Thoughts, or do I need to replace these devices?

[full echo]

Anybody else running a Zooz Zen32 Scene Controller? Works fine, the only odd thing is when you do a 2x/3x press (haven’t tried 4x/5x but imagine same scenario), is that it ALWAYS triggers the 1x press first, and then does whatever was your 2x/3x scene. No matter how fast you double click. Anyone else have this scenario or know of a way to get it to not do the 1x scene trigger first?

[high spindle]

I don’t have that but ran into the same issue. It’s because you’re using the wrong trigger

@full echo https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743144302334443622/999118736550269009/IMG_2776.png

Use that instead of the device triggers

Obviously change to your node id and scene and value

[full echo]

I’ll have to check that out. I’m not 100% sure what I’ve set - don’t want to try to adjust it fro phone right now.

[high spindle]

You probably clicked device then chose the z wave device then chose the scene that way, which is what the logical thing to do is, which is wrong lol

Welcome to home assistant

[spring gazelle]

I don't see that with a non-Zooz

[high spindle]

#zwave-archived message <- me asking for help in #zwave-archived

#automations-archived message <- my post in #automations-archived

including logs posted in my second link

[spring gazelle]

Set my automation to "queued", and it gets double executed

I don't see different keypresses, as mentioned above, just multiple of the same

definitely a bug

[high spindle]

so tinkerer's suggestion to use zwave events instead of device trigger was just a workaround and not "the proper way"?

[spring gazelle]

yeah

happens when you have multiple triggers

device triggers have always been a little tricky in zwave-js. i'm not sure there are other integrations that go as far.

[high spindle]

it would be nice if there was a guide of sorts instead of me having to just stumble forward and hope i ask the right questions / talk to the right guy until i figure out how to do basic things lol

although i feel like i'm already at the end of my stumble at this point

excluding direct associations, because that's still magic to me and very little info seems available online and is very much device specific

i.e. one zooz device actually talks about control groups and others just.. dont

[compact anvil]

You could start by explaining what you want to solve with the direct association and share manuals of both the controlling and controlled device

[spark rampart]

How critical is it to get devices paired with security? I just installed a motion sensor and it won't pair with any form of security.

It works fine, just has a red icon

[terse zodiac]

it's not critical

unless the device requires it

[spark rampart]

I wasn't sure if I should unpair it and retry again. I think I'll just leave it.

[terse zodiac]

does it say it supports S2?

[high spindle]

bit of confusion here: https://www.support.getzooz.com/kb/article/549-zen76-s2-on-off-switch-700-advanced-settings/ regarding these parameter 7 options exposed via zwave-js: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743144302334443622/999395063325007942/IMG_2801.png and then how i'd actually use control group 2 once i understood how these settings changed things. their reply about them being used for direct association: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743144302334443622/999394792507183276/IMG_2800.png

@compact anvil this was pointed out before: https://github.com/zwave-js/node-zwave-js/pull/1564#issuecomment-772645235 would I need to reach out to zooz to ask them to add documentation to their site to reflect their support for the parameter 7 and associated control groups for it?

[plush scroll]

Well, we can’t add documentation to their site so if documentation is needed, then yes.

[compact anvil]

bit of confusion here httpswww support

[icy storm]

Just installed a supervisor instance. What's the recommended zwave addon?

Is it still zwave js?

I see zwave js to mqtt is a thing.

[high spindle]

most here suggest z2mqtt

[terse zodiac]

i agree zwavejs2mqtt

[formal basin]

ugh

just had a 1 second power outage and lost 3 devices in zwavejs2mqtt

[formal basin]

can not seem to get them back

[high spindle]

What have you tried

[formal basin]

me?

i had to delete 4 and re-add them

[high spindle]

Did you try manually waking them up, heal on the node, restarting zwave, etc?

[plush scroll]

So when things like this happen, there is no way to figure out if it’s a bug and to fix it if you delete the devices before contacting anyone

[reef halo]

One thing I've learned about ZWave (especially 700 series) is the more you poke at it and mess with things the less reliable it gets. Leave a problematic network without changing anything for a few days and suddenly it's really reliable lol.