#general-chat
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Might be your PC problem or NVIDIA settings
Are you playing as 939 
No, it's not graphics.
I used to play a lot a few years ago and everything had a distinct look. Now it's just.. tan?
@ancient tideAre you get this on other roles?
Someone is @ancient tide
bruh
!rename @ancient tide Creativity
Done.
☠️
That's the bot doing that
You have just given @latent jackal a reputation point!
lmao
Why would the bot name me that? 😭
Unrep dino
nah, he's a good guy
Trying to be smart xDDD
You have a "." at the start of your name which in the past alot of users used to get on top of the name list
fr, bro just tried
Ah, I see.
LOL @latent jackal the hell
#media-posts message
I've just noticed that
"Creativity" was taken so I just added dots to it.
💀
Anyhow
Whoops
Womp Womp
Anyway, if you are playing 939 then it just because they reworked 939's visual
if you sure you have this problem, go #technical-support for help
xDD
It's not literally gray, News!
I'm saying that the rooms had a lot more ambiance before
But thank you for trying to help
Tru
Outlast 2 when you out last 2 clinically insane people
i still need to do insane mode for that game
I completed it
i forgot to do it lmao
yo guys is there in CSG some age requirments to host a scp sl server or do people hosting just need to be 13+ ?
the vsr used to require you to be 16 or older iirc but you should ask someone to get an official answer
there is now CSG
not vsr
right ?
!csg
yea
vsr is deprecated
idk where to find it in csg
Indeed
Just finished Black Mesa
What do you think about Xen?
so fucking cool
I agree
They made an astonishing work, even if it's far from Valve's original vision
i imagine burgers
https://youtu.be/-6G6AW7oApA?si=gO9dOQvIEsa0WjXk @silent wasp this is unironically first russian music that i liked
SITE: https://www.molchatdoma.com
SHOP: https://shop.molchatdoma.com
Drone pilot - Andrey Makarenko @4ndrewmk
Video Editing - Artsiom Konoiko @supersonic_musicmaster
Location - Pripyat, Ukraine
https://domamolchat.bandcamp.com/
https://open.spotify.com/artist/1nVq0hKIVReeaiB3xJgKf0
https://music.apple.com/us/artist/molchat-doma/1478740208
htt...
Deadass so good for animation, too much scene ideas in head
I don’t like Russian music
I dont either, they sound ass, this one just hit good
Mostly english or non word music
But vladivastok 2000 is exception
https://youtu.be/LpVumFARn3M?si=CIaVMi3GxK_IFHT3 this deadass fits well with this type of animation
Still better than SL update schedule
Music: Duran Duran - INVISIBLE
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@crystal anvil ^
old facility gaurds looked dope
But guard theme not fitting I think
Old facility guard could've gotten just remodel, same style and fit but different
173 when anti cheat
Imma caption this
The invisible doesnt fit, if you mute the windops video and then on the music i posted, it kinda fits
Most generic post punk btw
Just copy of British one
It sounds good to me, i already have like 1000 ideas for dclass animation
Just listen to British post punk
It’s better
I was working on one but like again, it was scrapped like the SCP SL Counter strike trailer re reafion
Like early joy division
bri'ish
Tufffff
most retarded 173
!langru
Привет, это англоязычный сервер. Вы можете присоединиться к [официальному](#1375576141607338026 message) или [локализированному](#1063025456573591562 message) русскоязычному серверу.
You're french
ok
Imma buy robux
why is he spinning
Gooner pfp
Duality of man
096
everything spinning
ahh i didnt watch
Whar
!rep @past dune I give you 3 reputation point
Member "@past dune I give you 3 reputation point" not found.
!rep @past dune
You have just given @past dune a reputation point!
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...
3 pings
d
!rename 307794351847899147
Done.
eh
crazy
Looser lol ( don't ban me please)
!rename
!rename 307794351847899147 ROXCE
Done.
rude
@ Hubert Moszka
!hubertping
Fake ping

I choose get banned
YES
I can make that happen 
that would be funny
Hypixel so ass
I want me do banned by Hubert
Lucid call the hubert
!ban
I have 4322 hours on SCP : Secret Laboratory
im have 700+ hours 4.3k is just gross lol
bro got pc opened for 24/7
Should i buy barotrauma
i got 3k hours in gmod and about 15k hours in cs source
the hubert 
jesus
As soon as I get home, I play games and sometimes stay up all night
💀
Sadly Hubert isn't part of the mod team 💔
I love SCP sl
What is this the creator of SCP:SL ?
the gods of Discord server
With Moranatol
I not know plank who is it ?
hello people
do you guys know if beta version servers work, or has people atleast
Look the banner of the profil of Hubert lol
There isn't beta version rn
I've seen this at least 3 times today
Gooner pfp
I mean the old one
first version smt idk
When is 15 0 coming out i am gona tweak out
!scpslclassic
thx man
15.0
I am already in
When it comes,it would be announced
...
is it surface rework
anyway not soon ig
Probs
should be soon
yes
Yes
there is no beta
Lmao
From the info you got
you asked interesting person
dont you have some interesting intel
Here you can get it for yourself
What game should i buy
No
Not exactly
i need to find the name of this song bruh
Shazam ?
its e1 mockingbird
wait for giveaway 👀
whats that
I'll chip in my own key
on SL?
ahhh
Yea
hours
In the span of 4 years
It's been 18 minutes without SCP:SL. I'm starting to go insane. I can't live without SCP:SL made by Hubert Moszka. Today I decided to go out for a walk, and I saw a dog wandering the streets. I immediately started to crouch and climb a wall. An old man approached me and I immediately shot him in the head a few times. I knew this would buy me enough time to run away. I decided to run back into my house and into my attic, where I saw a cassette player. I decided to play it so that the flamingos could spawn and it could be a flamingo victory. But it didn't work, so someone already spawned the flamingos and the MTF wiped them out. I can't live a normal life without SL. Please, fix the game.
800 is not so much to some people here lol
No, i need the key... i deserve.. it.. i contributed here for years and years.....................
tbh thats not alot
I have 1200 hours and i know that's not a lot 🙏
I'll sell you mine directly for 5 dollars
Bet
Bruh go tuch grass
Who is hiaesfuhadvubaoujbaef?
depends on tiers
which tier gives you beta access i dont remember
Thought that was common knowledge that patreon access depends on time till release
@hard dove
Tag hubert
Dont
apparently not to a certain member of TS
Xd
4550
Bruh didnt hubert stream developing sl

🙏
I know ppl who have 7k hours
we really flexing how much of a no-life we are 💔

doesn't Hubert have like 12K?
Well i got like 1.5 k on all my games for 4 yrs xd
around that
bro... just from SL, CS2 and R6 i have 2400 hours
I only have 640 hours
ye
Thats good
even more
I've been playing SL for almost 5 years and i have 1200h
I've been playing CS2 for 2 years and i have 600h
I've been playing R6 for 1 year and i have 460h
Such a flex
gotta put those numbers up
rookie numbers
add them up
I don't even want to know how many hours I have wasted all together
I should try counting all hours i've wasted on gaming altogether
It's gonna be hard tho because outside of Steam and PlayStation it's hard to count playtime
like for example Roblox
I have like 26000 kills on Weaponry (Roblox shooter game) but i don't know the playtime
crippling depression
Luckily SCP:RP keeps track of playtime and there i have 540 hours
💀 on roblox
Demolishing kids with an M1 Garand is funny
especially when you're the only guy keeping the lobby's average KD above 1
@rancid dome
can't tell me this shit ain't hilarious
nemo plen
Bro playing nt on roblox in A SCP game
gn chat
Go buy cod broski
it's not an SCP game, that's my skin
i'd rather buy BF6 🙏
Get out
green role 🙏
pedo.gif embed failure
She eepeth
just noticed are your pfp supposed to be a foundation protectron?
protogen scp
Back in the day I used a protectron as pfp, x3j the marketing man made me this version
Can we get much higher..
much higher?
And bc of @silent idol I keep it here as server pfp
Let's go gambling
Crazy fucking pack opening session tomorrow
(new season = 5 more alpha packs from rank rewards + 1 competitive pack cuz i get enough coins to do that)
so in total i'll be opening:
- 61 Alpha Packs
- 5 Bravo Packs
- 2 Competitive Packs
- 1 Rengoku Pack (yes, the event from last month)
okay bro happy new year 2017
I need help with something
I need an admin or amtn
I keep getting a message in logs to accept terms and conditions
Or amtn
And I go in the link
And it says page not foudn
how much time have you been saving alpha packs
about two months
(i also just bought 25 alpha packs with renown)
I love waiitng 70 secs on respawn
just had the most soul crushing match of deadlock
that games out now?
i refuse to play it since theyve been letting people play it for over a year straight now
valve can eat a dick
No real man speaks ill of valve
@remote hill why ghost pinging random person
miss click
im sorry
okay
sometimes its better just to leave the ping and add a message that its a miss lcick or smth
instead of leaving it as ghost
@orchid kraken man i think something missing
Is there a @remote hill
from where?
do you know the way
the shop is insanely long now
too many crossovers
all these points are a PAGE of items/skins/emotes
PEAK LINE
lool
h
I would like to get gameban on my steam account in this game
Who can help me with it?
why you want to get banned
They like to get banned
- I was using cheats, and i want it for justice
- I need a one gameban in any game on my steam profile, so...
OOOH SHIT!
So SL “was working” and now it’s doing the same issue it has been doing for the past year.
I can’t win with this
So any of gamedevs online who can give gameban in SCPSL rn?
Ask hubert idk
casual
I'm scared to add 5 bucks to steam wallet
If you wanna get banned from the discord too then go for it
So if i just get gameban in steam, i would be also banned here?
Not neccesarily but if you ping hubert youll get banned
from here
Give me his dc, i'll pm him then
Nah just ping him rn go ahead
Nathan clip this btw
The hell dude, then no one can help me with my problem -_-
Just install some cheats from this one website called "scp sl cheats safe punjabi no virus 7.0.0"
.com
I already played with insane hacks for 2 days but nothing happened
Tired a bit of this shit
Well you just admitted to a felony buddy

Mods smite this man
quite the skill issue to cheat
Ok idgaf tbh, i said alr what i need and why i was doing it
hi
play on an eu server and you'll get the game ban 
hello boxers of freezing
fairly alright, was at the waterpark yesterday
Ok ok
there was cats there
But why just gamedevs can't do it idk
Sweet actually
yay
Please don't encourage people to break the rules by pinging Hubert
@true sky
do it in sfm
Bet
Please give me a link to the Russian discord server scp
Проверь тут #1063025456573591562
buddy...
dont make me do it
i'll let that slide for once
console
Guys when is the next beta gonna be released to supporters?
Jesus fuck 😭
Hey r u italian?
@sleek estuary can i go dms?
uhh sure
we cooked or we cookin chat what do we think
buy hyper chess
Do you have a specific budget in mind?
120 bucks
Hmmmm
What if...
I try
The...
Patreon
I need to find more about this patreon
Buy DayZ and play w me
Too fucking expensive
Awesome game
@past dune i got a question mate
40 bucks aint expensive?
Buy it for me then smh
Yer
Ping
ye?

"buy it for me" 🙏 😭🥀
Buy Rain World
I already got it
!patreon
I don't have money on steam wallet rn
Yea
yup!
What about Trepang2?
Buy 05
Thanks for supporting the Studio 
x3j hire me as patreon and marketing
im good
Ok
@snow umbra
fallen aces
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Buying this shi instantly when it comes out bro
e
check out My Friendly Neighborhood, its not coop tho
its on steam and theirs a demo for it
The game name is P.O.N.
Where vro
I just linked my discord acc with pateron
Patreon
Now you wait ;b
P.O.N. is a cooperative horror-heist game for 1–4 players.
Take on encrypted missions from a criminal syndicate: plant explosives, steal data, abduct VIPs — and escape before the police arrive... or something worse.
In the shadows lurks an autonomous security robot, activated by the bank's emergency protocol.…
Q4 2025
Something is amiss with everyone's favorite Saturday morning puppet show! For years, the colorful cast of The Friendly Neighborhood delighted audiences across the globe with their cooky capers and educational adventures. However, as time went on and interest waned, the production studio found themselves out of money and closed their doors for g…
$29.99
2260
82

Tried to say something without knowing the game name
There goes my 2 bucks into Hubert's coffee
Told ya
can I send gifs?
in media or memezone
pon looks sick
lvl 10 for general and scp
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1857950/VEIN/
Also this is DayZ free edition lol
VEIN is a post-apocalyptic survival multiplayer sandbox game.
In the near future, the apocalypse has occurred: hostile zombies roam the Earth, most people have died, and society has collapsed. You are a survivor.
Gather supplies to survive, explore abandoned buildings, combat bandits, defend your home, and rebuild society with friends.…
Coming soon

Yes
yah i played that already, dayz sa is shit to me because i use to play arma 2 dayz because of frankie and it had helis and planes and shit in it, it was much more fun dayz sa is a pile of shit in comparison, huge let down
and im sick of all the russian shit
Mind training for war with insectoids humans
Do i get some custom roles or
im sick of games with crafting
this
if i gotta grind one more fkn pile of shit lord crafting game again on some lazy generated scum bucket game ima neck myself
I love DayZ and I think i just love survival games in general
just show me how many items I need to grind to complete quest
DayZ is peak but too expensive
Real
I bought all arma games
On another acc
yeah the arma games werent bad but i fkn hate third person cheating
makes gun fights so boring
i was more of a delta force dude compared to arma
yeah it is
dayz was arma 2 modded
But DayZ sa is way different than DayZ today
classic casual
yeah dayz sa is noob compared to arma 2 dayz
yep yep
And have bomb sitting on spawn
true! but I equip suboptimal things for fun because I already have the mac-10/MP9 which would suffice in comp
I love cs source
same bro
And cs 1.6
im fkn nuts at cs source
That's it
im a bhopin awp cevo main
i retired css in 2010
got to global in 2015 for csgo and quit
i dont have glove or knife skin
i fkn hate skins in cs
pisses me off so much i cant disable them to default
all my skins are plain
the only custom skins i use are dak dak skins
my first "gun craft" was a dak dak for ct side
I love half life in general and since cs was made from half life cuz they wanted fps shi I love it
Just I love more the movement on hl1
yeah but movement in 1.6 and cs2 is aids
i like both hl1 and hl2 movement
patterns only
R8
none of that face shit
oh yeah I swapped the CZ out for it a couple days ago
I don't ever use it but it's funny
here's my T side loadout
I like it but big ptoblemo with mouse 1 shooting
sawed-off gets replaced with nova I just had it for a joke
At least you have the ak
Is that what I think it is I have the same skin on ak
Am I tweaking
Is that it
yes
the only ak skin ive ever liked after 13 years is the crossfade lool
I just bought a slate
because it's just a solid color
Old ahh cs source mirrored weapons shooting shells on the inside direction lol nostalgia
stattrak autosnipers are funny
I just remembered the css era
this is my first gun craft cs2 skin
I don't play too much AWP or bizon but I have more kills on the latter than the former
i was literally playing css tonight for a few hours
i got some nasty clips with no scope awping
craving the m249
i never thought i would buy online things tbh lmao
tbh the m249 should have AK damage
i made all my money from selling cases and skins and shit i got for free from cs2
Step by step
also i think i entered a wrong billing info...
I have a couple cases just sitting in my inventory that I might sell for steam funds
i hope it wont affect anything
Am I the only person who doesn't like GTA 5 online
but now im one of cool guys
Indeed
i mean i would defo buy tier 5 if i had a normal salary
Log in bro tf did you say
based
pc is fkn king bro
I played that cake game
i use an asus rog rakiri xbox controller
wtf lol
this is a man of culture
Also had a CD with a game that was asian John wick
!tempban 1410826569504784516 Bot
sleeping dogs?
Shooting down fellas
Done. Enough chaos for now.
cassie slow ass
Idk some Chinese fella kept falling and shooting
Cassie create chaos
you should try out mount and blade
all u did is sit on a horse and stab people in the head
its awesome
turkey jockey
I will get a hold of my old ass cds with games
McQueen game asian John wick and something else
Cds were lowk peak in PCs back then
I still have the same PC case from then
well yeah back in the day when i was a wee thing i had cds for days
Cd slot and everything
I fit a 5080ti in there
i was the smart kid who put his ps1 games into the family stereo and cranked fat gamer beats
put 5090 in ps1
im usin 5070

i dont need anymore than that tbh
im using 6070
most game suck balls nowadays
@true sky 67
the only thing i play atm is morrowind and fkn scp sl
Quadruple A games coming rt pt and 8k res textures you might need 64 gigs of vram
im using 1440p fk 4k
I'm using 8k
my gpu would just gave up if there was 32 players
unoptimized
i just cant justify the cost of gpus these days
cause of these shit lord twitch retard fuck wit noobs
inflating shit like crazy
what to do what to do
slow cook beef and pasta sauce
@normal rapids
wdym 
yo what servers would you guys recommend
i recommend northwood servers, anything other than them are all shit
For example Owners who are Communit Helpers or something
If vanilla, then official servers
If modded or chaotic then
Dr.bright or chaos theory
every other should be delisted unironically
just play where you like ;b
Got harassed by some guy with a Tenna & Spamton kissing pfp for being queer on the pentagon 💔
and experiment on new servers
Cant say the same for the officials though
alr thx bro
It can kinda be a mixed experience but typically they're pretty chill
How they know that you are queer?
My username lol
Decided to cutout the pronoun part because I'm fairly certain I sound feminine anyways
It depends on the language. Personally, when I played for the first time, I played on servers that used my native language
wypierdalaj
and what the fuck did I do now 😭
wypierdalasz
mean
!langpl
Witaj, ten serwer jest serwerem anglojęzycznym. Możesz dołączyć do Polskiej społeczności tutaj.
I'm persona nongrata on this server
They hate me for being jewish
Its 50/50
Nword spam or russians
No between
Tiktok even worse, false allegations
I did nothing to you but alright
This is my way to flirt :3
nah.
who?
this server
I got video for you wait
#MakeSLGreatAgain
@fallow kite
No gif perms 
Isn't it at It's best form?
Mf gonna see game evolve and devs actually giving shit about the game and start complaining
Im happy that the game is actually going somewhere, i know it since 2019, back in community since 2023
Since
NW got now better employees who actually know shit
corrected
I bet they all are Exiled programmers
But NW was first... and then they joined Exiled
REAL
only reason why this game was cool in 2020/2023
Northwood has actual concept artists, level designers, programmers, etc now
They have him.
What choices specifically?
Nepotism, anti-modders policy etc.
Well SL community had few dramas but way less dramas than other communities
what anti modders policy
Oh there's a lot
Are we really starting to have this discussion?
?? What 😭
Yes
iirc NW has never made an attempt to block serversided modding
Prohibited to use Exiled for every verifed server after 12.0 for week
To promote retarted "official" framework that was biggest piece of shit
Remind me who the lead developer of exiled was at the time?
Yeah, and they're working on systems to help with modifying the game iirc
If modding wasnt allowed, many of servers wouldnt exist and game itself would die way too quickly
Who cares
doesn't matter
A gbanned user, again iirc
It does
Joker?
if if i recall
I think so?
shh
But he was the lead developer
I don't care, for me he can be a Donald Trump or Hubert Moszka
this wasn't official reason
You blame NW for endorsing their own new modding framework over one owned by globally banned users?
This wasn't official reason
feel free to enlighten me
But you can still use your brain and put the pieces together
would like to make it clear, im pulling everything im saying out of my ass at the moment and dont speak on behalf of NW, just my personal opinion as a serverhost
Official reason was a implementing w official API
You're arguing to a wall
next one is killing Custom Player Info becasue of thing that never happend and was already prohibited by VSR
I'm aware but I think its funny how insistent they are
weel
It sounds like you don't know any of the behind the scene details to be honest
Reason:
muh someone can make fake global roles (never happend)
I swear insistent people have biggest and weirdest ego to exist, yet again even with proofs they wont accept it
It has happened
lol
Either ragebaiting after they understood they were wrong 10,minutes ago
But It was already prohibited
I think hes rage baiting
he is
You need a good black mesa music
mfs who use the "i was just ragebaiting" excuse when they realise they were wrong instead of just accepting it
ban primitives because someone can make porn video with it
i remember him being in the exiled server years ago and hes not in it anymore
also told me to fuck off twice just because I said that i played on Polish servers 
Hold on lemme send some music you can play while playing sl
im guessing hes done with the modding scene and is just trolling now lol
Ja pierdole
Exiled modded scene took away my developers ranks because i gave them assembly that was public
https://youtu.be/FtTmiYA5D4k?si=hFY_9E4KuKAdOwMx this is good when auto nuke happens trust me
The soundtrack is available on:
iTunes - http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/black-mesa-original-video/id559599676?uo=4
BandCamp (lossless formats) - http://joelnielsen.bandcamp.com
Amazon MP3 - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0096G9BZE/ref=sr_1_album_2_rd?ie=UTF8&child=B0096GA70W&qid=1347036494&sr=1-2
Google Play - https://play.google.com/store/...
ok
This is what you saying is true, about Exiled
not NW
you dont gotta reply to him
oke
he knows hes ragebaiting

It's NW
@hearty stirrup I know that Joker was gbanned
but Exiled prohibiton was for 1 week
they wasn't waiting for changing main developer
official reason was 1 week of no Exiled to force shitty Framework NWAPI
I dont even know Exiled lore so 
I did use it in 2021 but thats it
its a good framework
I know
from what i experienced during jokers reign
i do use it now too
Prohibiting CustomPlayerInfo was a CLIENT SIDE thing because of some retards
I think i was on their server
jokers a good dev, dont blame him for anything
Jesusqc was there
I hope It's a dead archived project
toxic community of retards

poopxiled
80% of server was using this because It's was simply best
So NW must ban using this for weak to force thier shitty now working framework
I recommend if you have any suggestions for exiled to go make a PR on their github
STABLE release of this shit was having blank methods that wasn't doing a shit just
public void DoSomething() { }
@fallow kite you gotaa hawk tuah
It's open source and still alive :)
@fallow kite
I don't have suggestion for Exiled, It was based
But NW banned this
Okay
I don't see any reason why are you defending that decision
what the fuck
I hope SL ban every Russian because main representant of that country is who it is
Same logic with Exiled
!rep @nova moth
You have just given @nova moth a reputation point!
!remindme 12h
I will remind you of this in 12 hours (<t:1756807150:f>).
guess he is ragebaiting
oopies, pipebomb went off
!rep @hearty stirrup
You need to wait 20 minutes, 50 seconds until you can give reputation again!
kill
loser
says you
make rep 6 hours
I beat you on sonic
on the team mode
I need to give updating cassie another go soon
so basically just one line of code update
it should be shrimple
sounds like a something what loser in sonic would say
@eager wadi join staff, set bot to 6 hours, leave staff
uhh
ok buddy
i wouldnt join CM
iirc its just 1 custom cog causing issues with it
CM is peak
its in a pity state which is quite depressing
so its just updating that then the rest should click into place
ok well TS is best CM team
ts gets a pass
hell yah
cause its the only functional CM while everything else is reliant on others.
this two things I was saying are these decision I was talking about
Rare nathan compliment??
nah
@velvet mason
look at this guy
there's no more or I don't remember
but better writing that any criticism is a rage bait
Havoc i saw you typing
Havoc is a lurker
Havos
dont say his name in vain
Habok
Hes my friend i wont let you slander his name
Halock
@old jetty 🐑 🤺
who is you friend?
havol?
hes emo
she*
he
he
she
gender is a concept
nein is a she
You're real to me..
I hear it
It's simply a posting a pets harrasment
maybe mods should do something
For me It's a Senior Infrastructure Engineer
real to me ❤️
He is real in my heart
I swear whats with pets being so aggressive at nights but seeking affection at day
reporting for earape
Cats are night creatures
Look at him, he's white
Cat have IQ of 2 year old baby
Is he yours
dont ask about calories....
For me he is pretty gray on face
I wasnt thinking about that
yeah totally
He looks to be about 652
saying that like you never asked
How many diabetes is he?
682 even
never did
or evn 672
SCP REFERENCE
682 playable
!scp 682
is the command
!682
!load scp
Failed to load the following package: scp.
Check your console or logs for details.
!67
ts pmo
Epic 10s delay bot
check console
hi
loading package
Yes
bots so broken 🥀
They are broken for years
right
The SCP Foundation's 'top-secret' archives, declassified for your enjoyment.
well, CASSIE is
looks weird

