plugins-dev-chat

[cyan crown]

i figured out how SL stick to edges movement works it seems the only reason it happens is because OLD SL had both CharacterController & Capscule & Rigidbody being used at same

[hearty shard]

ók actually

[upper vapor]

Ók

[hearty shard]

Scp049ResurrectAbility::Duration

[upper vapor]

Why multiple ó

[hearty shard]

why not

[hearty shard]

beloved field ref delegates

[sweet flax]

@celest thorn could you tell me how to export the assembly-csharp to a project to add to private github and not have 5000 errors?

[hearty shard]

what

for CI?

[sweet flax]

i just wanna change name of local variables and keep it that way for easier readability

[hearty shard]

what

[sweet flax]

and not have flag1 etc

[hearty shard]

oh

gl on that one

[sweet flax]

i will probably only change the ones that i read

example

[hearty shard]

i mean those are decompiler generated lel

[plain gazelle]

does player.Kill() bypass godmode?

[hearty shard]

prob not

[sweet flax]

use Player::ReferenceHub::playerStats::KillPlayer(DamageHandlerBase base)

however it will not invoke events like dying etc

[plain gazelle]

wack

thanks but i will just

[hearty shard]

patch PlayerStats::DealDamage

[upper vapor]

✅

[plain gazelle]

ugh, doesnt work on dummies
probably someone elses code in this cursed codebase

[upper vapor]

Destroy the dummy

[hearty shard]

obliterate it

[royal mica]

cease their existence

[south socket]

does anyone know how to force item use/cancel on a player?

[sweet flax]

Usableitem is using

[south socket]

yeah tried that that ran the thingy without the anim

wait maybe im dumb

[hearty shard]

client wont agree

you cant do it to a player and have the same player see the animation

[south socket]

ServerEmulateMessage should work on dummies right? (in the UsableItemsController)

[sweet flax]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/blob/master/LabApi%2FFeatures%2FWrappers%2FItems%2FUsable%2FUsableItem.cs#L63

It was changed to work with client

[sweet flax]

Check it

[south socket]

ah yeah that is using that thingy that i want to test rn

[hearty shard]

U sure?

@upper vapor

inform me

[sweet flax]

I personally pr'd it

[hearty shard]

yes but

that doesn't mean that much lel

[south socket]

xd

[sweet flax]

I checked it and it worked

On my pc ofc

[hearty shard]

so you sent a use msg to yourself

and it let you see it using your item in ur hand

[restive turret]

If doesn't work blame eve

[hearty shard]

WHAT

[sweet flax]

it just sends StatusMessage

[hearty shard]

yes but does that do what i said it does

aka you hold a medkit
server tells you, the player holding it, that you are using it, and thus the animation begins

thats literally what im asking if its the case

[sweet flax]

Yes

[upper vapor]

@cyan crown

[restive turret]

Ax casually eating all the memory

[icy knoll]

if unity, discord and firefox dont eat it, then it's his to eat

[upper vapor]

99% RAM usage 100% swap (24GB) usage

after like 5 min, the kernel finally killed unity

[south socket]

my ram is eating me

[worn gull]

I'm ramming the ram

[upper vapor]

🐏

[south socket]

anyone knows if u can spawn bulletholes directly serverside without a weapon? didnt found it yet

[upper vapor]

use a firearm template (InventoryItemLoader.TryGetItem) then get the ImpactEffectsModule, and call ServerSendImpactDecal

[south socket]

thank you. My goat.

[upper vapor]

you can copy the write method from that and use SendRpc instead (skips the event)

np

[cyan crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654185402801848341/1501574953009680454/omeOhh-4x.gif

[late shoal]

Is it already planned to increase the collectionid for sss beyond 20?

20 arent enough 😭

[hearty shard]

what the scallops?

[late shoal]

huh?

[hearty shard]

hows that not enough 😭

[late shoal]

well it isnt for me tho

[thin shuttle]

why it is restricted ?

[late shoal]

idk ask nw

[thin shuttle]

it's a byte ?

[hearty shard]

yes

[thin shuttle]

so why restrict to 20

[hearty shard]

they likely didnt expect you to have more than 20 settings saved in different collections 😭

[late shoal]

why is there even a limit

[hearty shard]

well it has to have a limit since its a byte

but another reason is they need to allow disabling it

which is easier to just have a cap on it and anything other than that = no save

[thin shuttle]

where is the file client side ?

[hearty shard]

and 20 should be more than enough

[thin shuttle]

i still don't get why force limit it ?

[hearty shard]

another reason to not allow more than 20 is to have file not be bigger than needed

[thin shuttle]

each roletype could have a specific config

[late shoal]

doesnt matter that much tbh, if you join a lot of servers with sss, you quickly fill up your file

[hearty shard]

yes but you could also save it with a different id?

what

i dont understand you yamato

[thin shuttle]

where is the SSS config stored ?

[thin shuttle]

there could be multiple reason you want more than 20

[hearty shard]

yes but your use case you specified doesnt make sense

i already asked for seekos use case and they just didnt answer

so im confused

[thin shuttle]

do you know where they are stored i am curious about how they look

[late shoal]

well i want to give players the freedom to change everything in the hud or other things

[hearty shard]

yes

but

[late shoal]

so 20 isnt enough for me

[hearty shard]

why specifically do you need collection id to be different for all of those

why not just

set the id of the setting itself

[late shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295908893771169822/1505394775468281916/1773432074089809.gif

[hearty shard]

which has 2 billion possible ids

SettingId

[late shoal]

i know

but i have 4 servers rn

[hearty shard]

ok then it doesnt make sense still 😭

[thin shuttle]

can someone said me when where it's stored ?

[hearty shard]

eg if you only want each setting shared between 2 different servers and not any more than that - youd need 41 servers

[hearty shard]

registry.txt

ig

[late shoal]

u kinda confusing me rn

[hearty shard]

CollectionId is for sharing across servers

right

imagine each id has its own list

like a dictionary

of settings

[hearty shard]

it will only share the settings that have the same id and is in the same collection

if you want 4 servers to all share settings why not just

set them all in collection 0?

or 1

or wtv

why do all settings need to be seperated from each other into seperate collections, it makes no sense

[late shoal]

@hearty shard did you ever work with collectionids?

[hearty shard]

yes

but i dont have a server anymore

maybe they changed it... but itd be weird for them to make it require every setting to have a different collection id when settingid exists

[late shoal]

it works, didnt know that lol... i thought collectionids would function differently

[hearty shard]

yep

[upper vapor]

💞

[terse bone]

imgui asserts dominance over unity

[pallid galleon]

Is there an easy way to get the amount of alive human players that doesn't require looking through each player to see if they're alive and getting a count that way?

Maybe I can use whatever scp's target tracker uses?

[hearty shard]

psure thats the same thing

[icy knoll]

atleast it's already calculated, meaning you dont need to do it twice lol

[hearty shard]

yep

this does include flamingos which idk if youd wanna be counting but

[pallid galleon]

Funnily enough 106 attacking the last human kills them instantly instead of teleporting them, but it still runs the OnScp106TeleportedPlayer event

so I'm just fixing that so it doesn't run if the target is last alive

[icy knoll]

make a bug report

[hearty shard]

else
      {
        Scp106TeleportingPlayerEvent ev = new Scp106TeleportingPlayerEvent(this.Owner, this._targetHub);
        LabApi.Events.Handlers.Scp106Events.OnTeleportingPlayer(ev);
        if (!ev.IsAllowed || this._targetHub.IsLastScpTarget() && !this._targetHub.playerStats.DealDamage((DamageHandlerBase) new ScpDamageHandler(this.Owner, -1f, DeathTranslations.PocketDecay)))
          return;
        Scp106Attack.PlayerTeleported playerTeleported = Scp106Attack.OnPlayerTeleported;
        if (playerTeleported != null)
          playerTeleported(this.Owner, this._targetHub);
        effectsController.EnableEffect<PocketCorroding>();
        this.VigorAmount += 0.3f;
        LabApi.Events.Handlers.Scp106Events.OnTeleportedPlayer(new Scp106TeleportedPlayerEvent(this.Owner, this._targetHub));
      }
      this.SendCooldown(this._hitCooldown);
      this.ReduceSinkholeCooldown();
      Hitmarker.SendHitmarkerDirectly(this.Owner, 1f);
    }

lel

yeah it calls the event before checking it

LastHumanTracker is what it uses tho btw

or hub.IsLastScpTarget() extension which just calls the above

[upper vapor]

404

[plain gazelle]

before i try to tackle it myself
is there any easy way to modify the recoil of a weapon via code?

For example i want Class-D to have like 5x the recoil that MTF have. How i check for that shouldnt be hard, but im mainly interested in like
OnChangedItem, get for firearm, get recoilwhenshootingmodule or sth like that and then tweak stuff?

[static meteor]

You can fake it by set the camera rotation

Since recoil dosent sync between the server and client

[plain gazelle]

Yeah that was my second approach, applying some recoil calculation to the player camera on shot fired.
But was hoping the giganticly modular weapon system would have something to use for this

Considering some attachments have stats for recoil +- and such

[hearty shard]

client side

[plain gazelle]

alright, bummer

[spare zodiac]

who tf named the rooftop ts 😭

[restive turret]

What

[spare zodiac]

the invisible roof above MTF spawn

[restive turret]

I guess

[cosmic echo]

how much do I have to pay to get proper triangle primitives in scp sl

[soft depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1307624965985669130/1499390645465383041/bro.gif?ex=6a0dac5b&is=6a0c5adb&hm=613bda6c036e5163b22a4ef9407fda4c1e09ee76d120ec05753ed99007a61256&

this much

[sharp hedge]

holy moly

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/80m-increased-revenue-%26-redeploy-3-fte-gif-2319601784744478471

[cosmic echo]

Four years and 5 months now there has been a serverhost suggestion to add triangle primitives and it has 0 downvotes

[upper vapor]

ok and?

[cosmic echo]

When are they coming

[upper vapor]

nothing has been confirmed yet

they might never even be added

[cosmic echo]

It can’t be that hard

The pros outweigh the cons by a large margin

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

it's easy to say "it can't be that hard" if you haven't worked in a game studio

[cosmic echo]

Is coordination between devs so bad that it’s that hard to add a single triangle mesh prefab with some primitive toy code

[upper vapor]

we're a studio of volunteers, and right now, 15.0 is a much bigger priority compared to this
it's not as simple as "yo i made this, merge it RIGHT NOW"

triangles might be added in the future, or they might not be added in the future
studio priorities have been explained plenty of times already

[cosmic echo]

Nobody is saying “add it right now and release an update with them right now,” but at some point it feels like northwood is purposefully ignoring this very popular suggestion, with no real updates on it whatsoever. I’ve heard very little from northwood on this suggestion, which has been requested many times, by many people, and all I do hear is “it’s more work than you think”, with no visible attempts at actually doing it. Not even an update to the community or anything, no official statement on “why we haven’t added triangle primitives”

[upper vapor]

it would be ideal to fit more use cases than just one, and adding a singular triangle mesh doesn't solve a lot of problems
there have been discussions about this before

[royal mica]

If it were singled out, or completly rejected, then they would say so

They have no benefit of hanging the idea above our heads and silently dropping it

also there is a priority queue, the things that needs more attention than that

and priority is not exactly a "how many people want it"

[upper vapor]

this guys gets it

[royal mica]

As someone who had tickets assigned that are 2yr old, I know firsthand what is "this can be done later" :D

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864205117178773606/1478480480864305285/hube.gif

[unique crane]

We will not promise anything publicly as long as we aren't sure we can deliver it in time, or anything that isn't merged in master yet

Why? Well things has been promised before and never added to the game..

We never ruled out triangle primitives, but there will be no updates on them until we are 100% sure they will be in any update (and which most importantly)

[royal mica]

Honestly I see a more generic rework for the primitives before anything happens to them

[pulsar locust]

So what you're saying is
Triangle update tomorrow /j

[upper vapor]

Tomorrow is relative

[pulsar locust]

Scrap mechanic chapter 2 tomorrow

[icy knoll]

tomorrow is never

tomorrow never becomes today

today never becomes tomorrow

wow

[upper vapor]

Is Shakespeare really dead?

[restive turret]

Me omw to send denied to all suggestions

[hearty shard]

Honk shoo mimimi

[icy knoll]

can't be sleeping right now eve!!!!!!!! /j

[hearty shard]

Ur FIRED

[icy knoll]

WOAH

[unique crane]

Do you want to buy eve?

im selling her

and no one wants to so far

I wonder why

[hearty shard]

I HATE YOU

[icy knoll]

no

[unique crane]

Aw

[hearty shard]

look hes evil

all i did was post some numbers :(((

[unique crane]

completely valid

[icy knoll]

umamusume!

[unique crane]

What

[icy knoll]

horse gals

[hearty shard]

see david had a bad reaction!

[icy knoll]

he hates horse girls obviously smh

[hearty shard]

someone gets it

[unique crane]

what horse girls 😭

[hearty shard]

david the horse hater

[unique crane]

Im not that hungry

[hearty shard]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-silly-tongue-horse-tongue-horse-silly-gif-11018268193256850941

look

adorable

you hate it tho:(

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-agree-agreement-affirmative-yes-gif-2872428400733497437

[pulsar locust]

Horse nonsense

[upper vapor]

"Quit horsing around"

[quiet rune]

https://tenor.com/view/bojack-horseman-speech-bubble-bojack-horseman-bojack-speech-bubble-sad-gif-14485445418581803699

[ornate kelp]

anyone have a plugin thats Ball Gun

[hearty shard]

why shoot balls

just shoot guns

[ornate kelp]

a gun that shoots scp 018 the ball

because it will be funny lol

[hearty shard]

@icy knoll BONK

[steel meadow]

What would that even entail

How do you rework any of those primitives

[icy knoll]

Wha did I do :c

[snow pulsar]

Question... is there any remote keycard plugins that actually kill the Surface Access Pass even though it's in your inventory?
It works when the player hold out their card, but makes it just a bypass on the gates when it's in their inventory.

[static meteor]

It would be relatively simple to implement that

[tribal dagger]

maybe in 18.0 this bug will be fixed

[tribal dagger]

i saw an update to one that addressed it

[snow pulsar]

where?

[sweet flax]

schrodinger's connnection

[upper vapor]

XDD

eventually it'll be fixed i assume

[harsh thorn]

its like some weird state desync with mirror or something

forgot what it used, but i think the 2 commands use 2 different ways to look for connections

[vast wharf]

I have this same issue, i even disabled rate limit but still there

after 10 seconds it lets you in but it's a bit annoying

and it prevents me to restart the server without the players being kicked (Restarting just at round restart so it delays connections till it's ready)

[upper vapor]

uh

did you use the sr command? (softrestart)

[vast wharf]

ohhhh

it would be cool if it did that on crash

[upper vapor]

umm
crashing is different

[vast wharf]

[harsh thorn]

if you hit the ratelimit, your ratelimit is set too high

so you should lower the reset time

[upper vapor]

i'm also getting ratelimited on my local server after restarting

😭

reconnecting earlier than allowed, and then getting bonked

[vast wharf]

i set it to like 100 it didn't work so i disabled it and nothing

[upper vapor]

after the server's requested connection delay

[harsh thorn]

[vast wharf]

wait i just sr and it ratelimited me 😭

[upper vapor]

ye

[vast wharf]

does turning up the ratelimit work for sr?

[harsh thorn]

turning it up means youll hit it more

[upper vapor]

try increasing the full_restart_duration or whatever

[vast wharf]

i mean turning down

ok

[harsh thorn]

the ip_ratelimit_window and userid_ratelimit_window are the 2 settings you want to change

the value is seconds

the value should be less than the delay time of a server restart

iirc the default wasl ike 3

[vast wharf]

so if the sr takes 50 seconds, a value of 5 is fine?

[upper vapor]

-# why does softrestart take 50 seconds

[harsh thorn]

no because the server delays client connections with 5 seconds if the server is not ready

so you should have 4 or less

default was 3 iirc

or atleast that is what the official servers is set to

[restive turret]

i never got rate limited

[vast wharf]

ok

[vast wharf]

i always wondered why my server had 50% chance it started loading over again on startup, now i know

[upper vapor]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[hearty shard]

ax ate the server

[south socket]

any idea why this code isnt working anymore since a few updates?

        private void SetupPlatform(GameObject platform, GameEvent ev)
        {
            var col = platform.AddComponent<BoxCollider>();
            col.isTrigger = true;
            col.center = new Vector3(0, 25, 0);
            col.size = new Vector3(1, 50, 1);
            col.tag = "collider";

            var p = platform.AddComponent<VotePlatform>();

            p.eventName = ev.Name;
            p.LongName = ev.LongName;
            p.PlayerVoted += OnPlayerVoted;
            p.PlayerUnvoted += OnPlayerUnvoted;
        }

idk just stopped working one day. (VotePlatform is just a MonoBehavior with OnTriggerEnter, OnTriggerExit). GameObject is just a primitive.

[static meteor]

Ive always had issues with Triggers on primitives

I usually create a new gameobject then parent that to the primitive and added the trigger

[carmine prawn]

😭

Seems I only can use 4 directional light sources on map

[carmine prawn]

||oh my pccccccc||

[full wedge]

who can make something for me dm me

[carmine prawn]

ok... I tried a very peculiar method

if you need a solid-color skybox, try using Text Toy

looks good

[upper vapor]

Correct

[full wedge]

@upper vapor for your moderatortools does this make it so if i do overwatch it keeps me as overwatch until i get off it or is there a modmode i can use for this or i need to add this?

[upper vapor]

What

[full wedge]

github

[upper vapor]

I don't really understand the question

If you're asking about overwatch persisting across rounds, that's been removed (well, not implemented)

[royal mica]

Enshittifaction smh

Where is the paid lootbox for commands

[upper vapor]

Don't give people ideas

😭

[cyan crown]

Are the gambling servers still alive?

[royal mica]

No idea, I only play MemeSCP

[upper vapor]

What did I expect

[royal mica]

A bundle of bananas

to make banana bread

[upper vapor]

Crazy

[royal mica]

we should be able to bake banana bread

[upper vapor]

Are you unable to do so?

[royal mica]

ingame no

[upper vapor]

Alliteráció

[upper vapor]

Well

You have the ability to make it happen

[royal mica]

oh, my, god

a banana bread cooking minigame

ok work can wait

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

[worn gull]

Then implementáld 😌

[upper vapor]

Sleep emoji

[vast wharf]

is there any way to disable achievements for tutorials?

[icy knoll]

achievements are client sided

[vast wharf]

ah i thought i had seen some code for it on the server

[hearty shard]

afaik some achievements require the server to say it, but not all

a lot of code also isnt stripped from server builds even if its client side

[rugged laurel]

Most achievments are called server side so you can path the methods they are called in to check if not tutorial

[sweet flax]

you can patch AcheivementHandlerBase.ServerAchieve

[vast wharf]

oh, ok!

[upper vapor]

There is a syncvar that lets you disable client-side achievements

Not sure where it is

Maybe in MainBoolsSync

[vast wharf]

even better

ok

[halcyon folio]

Good old Harmony patching

I havent experimented with Transpiler patching, yet

[static meteor]

Isnt there a event for it

I swear I remember seeing one

[sweet flax]

Prefix would be enough

[sweet flax]

There is one but i dont think cancellable

[restive turret]

Ye there isn't

And there was a long talk about it

Use the syncvar thing it fixes like 90% of the stuff

[sweet flax]

Is there a syncvar thing

[restive turret]

Ye

Check the bade

Base there is a static bool that get set whatever the syncbool is set to

iirc its not a bool its like a int/uint

[sweet flax]

i think for his case patching it would be easier

since he would have to fake sync it every time the role is changed

[restive turret]

That's from the server

Not by role

[sweet flax]

.

[restive turret]

Ah

Well both options valid

Whatever he does after it his own thing

[sweet flax]

the sync var is the better one but harder

[naive axle]

yo

it worked

[sharp hedge]

how would one send a message in staff chat from code? i know cedmod does it and trying that code runs, but no message sends

[upper vapor]

Server.Broadcast with the AdminChat broadcast flag iirc

[sharp hedge]

there was a method in that class that suited my goal better, thanks

i do have another question though

is it possible to remove the "Dedicated Server (1):" from this?

im using Server.SendAdminChatMessage

[upper vapor]

Ah

[hearty shard]

use a different player ig

[thin shuttle]

it's kinda a plugin issue ?

if you don't want it to be show there modify the plugin ?

[icy knoll]

probably just make a dummy invisible to the player list with no name and use that. You will still get the colon but yeah. I don't think even sending the standard message itself could solve this

it could

but yeah

[sharp hedge]

yikes

[thin shuttle]

can you try that ?

public static void StaffMessage(string message)
{
    foreach (Player target in Player.List)
    {
        if (CommandProcessor.CheckPermissions(target.Sender, PlayerPermissions.AdminChat))
        {
            target.ReferenceHub.encryptedChannelManager.TrySendMessageToClient("999" + "!" + message, EncryptedChannelManager.EncryptedChannel.AdminChat);
        }
    }
}

[sharp hedge]

thats exactly what im doing right now

oh yes that did work

the background of the text is dark red though

if theres no fix for that then its fine

[south socket]

is the Player in the EnemyKillingObjectiveEventArgs the killer or "victim"? I guess killer. But yeah. Too lazy to test rn xd

[upper vapor]

read the xml docs

[upper vapor]

"this object does not exist, therefore i must call OnValidate on it"
-# -unity

oh nvm

i called it

xd

[unique crane]

xd

[hearty shard]

this guy

is TROLLING

[unique crane]

@subtle ravine About that mod role...

[regal lake]

Done. Enough chaos.

[unique crane]

thamk

[subtle ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458030107324579841/1501229566952345631/caption.b64dda63.gif

mine

[upper vapor]

dam, you're a discord mod now?

crazy

[subtle ravine]

yes

[serene vine]

Yeah he replaced me :)

He's a little boring tho sadly

[unique crane]

waterslug_cute

Noemi got money for life from MrBeast

[serene vine]

Yeah, I moved out to a mansion now

That's very fortunate to not be on an island

[unique crane]

tahiti

Is this the faith Dutch talked about?

winning mr beast money?

[upper vapor]

No... emi

[serene vine]

Bruh

[worn gull]

Is it intentional that SSS Settings only work for 079 when the map is open?

[hearty shard]

prob not

[slender depot]

How to change particle disruptor's damage?

[restive turret]

onhurting

damage handler and set the damage there

[cyan crown]

onhurting delete system32

[restive turret]

real

[upper vapor]

Remember, windows doesn't feel pain

[cyan crown]

Did you see that chrome extension that changes word microsoft with microslop

[pallid galleon]

Anyone able to help me with something? I'm trying to make a role where peanut can blink faster (dw the blinking speed is only that fast for testing lol) but can't figure out how to make it work for non-consecutive blinks

Like blinking x amount of times in a row works fine, but being observed resets the cooldown no matter what and I can't seem to find a way to override that

[upper vapor]

@subtle ravine ermmmm #1507772697764036688

[upper vapor]

use the -ed event instead of -ing

[pallid galleon]

tried that and same results 🙁

[upper vapor]

uh

[pallid galleon]

meh no biggie lol

I'll just have it as part of its quirk that it only works for consecutive blinking

[upper vapor]

feature

[pallid galleon]

frfr

[upper vapor]

okay

so

just add a one-frame delay if it's the first observer

or postfix Scp173ObserversTracker.UpdateObservers

why does the observers tracker send and rpc every single frame 😭😭

[pallid galleon]

ah

yeah adding a delay worked, ty!!!

[upper vapor]

np

[upper vapor]

it's joever

[hearty shard]

or is it.

[cyan crown]

Memory leaks incoming

[restive turret]

hope you atleast move to urp..

[inner citrus]

I hate URP

It was a nightmare to switch Taj Mod from BRP to URP and then I made the mistake of switching directly from URP to HDRP instead of reverting the URP changes first.

[restive turret]

always test everything

and I recommend branches

especially unity update

I have a clear project with nothing inside it basicly so I can just switch to any version and not cause issues

[inner citrus]

This was in 2023 when I first started playing with the Unity project, I did use branches etc. but it also was mostly me testing and figuring stuff out, later I implemented some stuff and it was kind of too late to revert anything

[restive turret]

i meant you pushed to master, and honestly would test with some people if the engine update is successful otherwise be hard to do other stuff

[inner citrus]

engine updates were never a problem for me

im talking as someone who updated from 2018 -> 2021 -> 6 -> 6.3 -> 6.4.3

[unique crane]

Does he know

[restive turret]

[hearty shard]

slime boy

[restive turret]

evilgirl

[cyan crown]

He doesn't know

[inner citrus]

[cyan crown]

I ported legacy to urp recently

[inner citrus]

cool

[cyan crown]

Progress is so so slow i barley work on it

[carmine prawn]

hi taj

[marble cobalt]

Do you use post processing effects, by any chance?

[inner citrus]

You mean like custom ones?

Or just what HDRP offers you

[marble cobalt]

The ones available in Unity through the post processing volume, believe you need the Unity package installed

[inner citrus]

I do use them

[cyan crown]

Yeah camera layers is a huge issue in hdrp

[marble cobalt]

Have you noticed them being broken on 4.8?

Well, not updating specifically

[inner citrus]

I haven't, but let me double check

[marble cobalt]

https://issuetracker.unity3d.com/issues/some-post-processing-volume-overrides-only-update-after-a-refresh-when-using-hdrp

[cyan crown]

Yep they dont update at all

You have to toggle the post processing on and off to see changes

[marble cobalt]

Yeah

[inner citrus]

I do remember having issues with Tonemapping but I didn't use that, only for testing

[cyan crown]

This also happens for select few of effects

[inner citrus]

works for me

[marble cobalt]

They do work, they just require a refresh I believe, but it's annoying af

[cyan crown]

Yeah i was recently working on a post processing heavy project it was so painful doing changes

[inner citrus]

I think I only have like a small amount of post processing

fog and some other things and that's all

[cyan crown]

I think you have only 3 of them

[inner citrus]

yeah something like that

[marble cobalt]

Makes sense, we do use a good amount of post processing effects for status effects & each SCP, hence why it's not as cut and dry as refreshing once

[inner citrus]

I was planning on using more post processing effects for SCP-079 so probably this is when I'll notice

[marble cobalt]

As I mentioned on the bug report, in case it's useful, you can use 4.3f1

That one does not have this issue, from my testing

[cyan crown]

I hope unity added cloud layers for volumetric clouds one layer seems a bit off imo

[inner citrus]

Alright, thanks

[marble cobalt]

🫡

[inner citrus]

I'll still have to make a system for toggling them since old ccm and stuff

unless

[cyan crown]

the post processing?

[pallid galleon]

no way!

@lyric dagger @clear radish mr beamst wants to give ppl money

ty

[upper vapor]

hdrp is cool until you need a second camera

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1307624965985669130/1499390645465383041/bro.gif

[upper vapor]

[shut sandal]

good DI

[icy knoll]

DI?

[harsh thorn]

dependency injection

[icy knoll]

right

[restive turret]

I dont like DI

[upper vapor]

did you use the official DI package? (why is this a question)

[upper vapor]

it's better than what unity does 😭

[restive turret]

I still dont like DI whoever made it

[upper vapor]

do you call it doodoo injection or something?

can't believe i've typed that

[restive turret]

Dumb Injection

Because nearly impossible to backtrack and see what's wrong

Never really liked DI , and every time i see it, i feel like the javas "single object factory" type thing

[shut sandal]

yeah, Microsoft.Extensions.DenpendencyInjection and Logging

[upper vapor]

maybe cuz you didn't have different types of services for one purpose

i used DI in avalonia which made my life a lot easier

(impl for diff platforms)

[restive turret]

Bro half of the things I see used DI because just the purpose of using it

[upper vapor]

their skill issue

[restive turret]

No actual benefits, it just there to fuck my research up

There is no reason to use DI if you only do stuff in one way

[upper vapor]

Kinda true

[glad pagoda]

you should see what people try to get DI for in the .NET runtime lol

especially for mocking lol

[royal mica]

DI is only useful when you have a clear separation of layer, like in MVC

[restive turret]

I dont like asp net either

[glad pagoda]

like I do like writing proper OOP code with interfaces and such

but people tend to overdo it A LOT

also my pet peeve: people keep misunderstanding DRY

I see more people taking it literally than with the proper meaning

[upper vapor]

MVVM

-# wrong emoji 😭

[royal mica]

model view view model?

[upper vapor]

yes

almost

model, view, viewmodel

[royal mica]

oh

[upper vapor]

extra space

[royal mica]

when model and viewmodel is the fucking same

bruh

[upper vapor]

TRAITOR

[upper vapor]

viewmodel is often reactive, model just exists (e.g. DTO)

[royal mica]

yeah just making fun of ppl who usually have those as the same

[glad pagoda]

for context:
literal meaning - don't repeat yourself
proper meaning - don't have multiple versions of the same logic, since they can have different bugs and inconsistent behaviour

and not "dont have identical pieces of text" in your code

[upper vapor]

what's wrong with drying your text

i'm not really a fan of writing the same method twice

third time is a nuclear explosion

[restive turret]

I said million times, I rather write how I control everything for http request and response than do any asp.net stuff

[upper vapor]

okay but

why

when you can just write minimal apis

[restive turret]

I dont like aspnet and has trillion dependency

[upper vapor]

so do you write your backend in java..?

[restive turret]

In C#

[upper vapor]

crazy

[restive turret]

Not in aspnet but in normal one

I use NetCoreServer as a base

And i wrote my own thing top on it

And I can change both however I like

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-think-the-rock-meme-gif-24810091

i think i've heard of that

[restive turret]

Ye I said that thing too

[upper vapor]

what the fuck is this example

[restive turret]

Since I never a Client

And mostly the server

https://github.com/SlejmUr/ModdableWebServer/blob/master/ModdableWebServer/TEST.cs

Custom stuff top on it

I use it for some of the stuff I have

[upper vapor]

why in 😭

[royal mica]

Abstraction, if you decide to migrate / integrate another backend

I can see the reason

[upper vapor]

???

why are the params in parameters

[royal mica]

so they are not out

idk

[upper vapor]

nah

americans would say in-n-out

[restive turret]

Sent by value idk

[upper vapor]

you can't send interfaces and classes by value though...

[glad pagoda]

pls dont NIH

[restive turret]

nih?

[glad pagoda]

Not In House (syndrome)

[harsh thorn]

tbf asp.net isnt too bad with dependencies

wait until you see laravel

[glad pagoda]

no

wait till you make the

AngularJS ASP.Net template

300 JS dependencies

i have one repo with it

[harsh thorn]

well thats js

[glad pagoda]

I get a vulnerability alert on a JS lib weekly from it

lol

[upper vapor]

I don't want to see Lara well

[royal mica]

You meant Angular, surerly. right?

And not actually AngularJS

[upper vapor]

It's both

[royal mica]

Also any NPM based repo is like 300 deps lule

[royal mica]

despair emoji

[upper vapor]

300 RCEs

[restive turret]

I mostly needed something that i can work and iterate fast, and doesnt require to learn to build abisimmal shit

[royal mica]

RCE? With the amount of build highjacking, its just "WHH" hacks

[restive turret]

we use Playnite and that has like more dependency than i can remember

[upper vapor]

What the Heck Hacks?
Sounds something like eveil would say

[royal mica]

Wlecome home, honez

[upper vapor]

Nite?

Fort

[royal mica]

Idk why but sounds appropriate what the npm users would do

Welcomeing malware with open hands with a single npm i

[upper vapor]

Right

[upper vapor]

Anything is possible with yavaschript

[restive turret]

jabba script

[royal mica]

Vaxry is so based for that

[upper vapor]

What's that guy's name from Rachet & Clank

[upper vapor]

What

[royal mica]

George

[restive turret]

idk

[upper vapor]

Zsoli

[restive turret]

dont what me

you know

[upper vapor]

I don't

[restive turret]

living in the dark

[upper vapor]

Erm

Doesn't ring a bell

[restive turret]

day2 of github action and unity

[glad pagoda]

souinds like a horrible idea lol

make sure to cache a lot of stuff

annoyingly enough

[restive turret]

ye i did that

[glad pagoda]

i dont know if youi can cache library

[restive turret]

caching Library and editor

[glad pagoda]

since i think the working dir changes on github actions

[hearty shard]

did u know

that

im gay

[restive turret]

yes

well my command to build the project is ass apart form it

[terse bone]

Puding

[restive turret]

5.2GB

holi moli

[upper vapor]

Are you using game-ci?

[restive turret]

no

I was

but it took me ~ 25m to build a simple project with nothing in it

[upper vapor]

Yep uhhh

Yea

[restive turret]

docker

I blame docker ass

[upper vapor]

Dokkoló

[restive turret]

dokkoljon oda

[glad pagoda]

are you making an open source game?

[restive turret]

yes

but the project currently closed source

since i wanna do stuff with it before opening up

[glad pagoda]

cuz private repo acyions limits are too low for any unity builds

[harsh thorn]

you probably cant keep the 15gb cache on gh anyway

better to make a selfhosted runner on some pc, or server

or just build yourself

[glad pagoda]

well for a smaller project you might fit in the 10GB

btw did you notice how much faster reimports became on refs on the CI now?

[harsh thorn]

havent looked at it

but cache server + funny disk things have probably increased speed

[glad pagoda]

from around 50 minutes to 35

for a full pipeline

[glad pagoda]

reimports run explicitly with cache disabled

[harsh thorn]

hmm

disk things then

[glad pagoda]

yeah it's weird it improved this much since builds didn't, event after cache

[restive turret]

well even if it does not implicitly build I can try just doing the check if all things are valid and ask it on my PC to build it (or any CI machine that I will or will not buy)

[rustic pecan]

Hi, guys!
I am making a HarmonyPatch to prevent a specific player from damaging 079's BreakableWindow.
Maybe someone knows, how can I identify that window?

I try to get it name but its just Glass and NetID doesnt really gives much info abt it...
The only way I can think of is trying to get it with position smh but probs there is more smooth solution

[restive turret]

get the room its inside of

[rustic pecan]

There is sth in LabAPI for that, but it doesnt work if a player throws an item at the window

[sweet flax]

there is Scp079Reconatiner::_activatorGlass

you can use event ondamagingwindow

and compare the glass

[icy knoll]

The window probably has a room property in there

[unique crane]

The 079 glass isnt the only glass in the chamber

There is also the windw

[icy knoll]

Yeah true

[unique crane]

you need to directly compare it with this

[icy knoll]

Make sure to compare the base of the window and not the wrapper lol

(I forget if there is a wrapper)

[rustic pecan]

Thanks for the help, guys ❤️

[cyan crown]

I upgraded to hdrp

[rustic pecan]

Oh I get why throwing the items doesnt call the ondamagingwindow

[tulip kiln]

You know you can do is not

Unless that's decompiled

then I'm dumb

[rustic pecan]

It is decompiled

[rustic pecan]

I patched it, but sth wierd is happening with the server
Its laggy even tho I run localhost

When I throw a nade into a group of nades they just do not activate

 [HarmonyPatch(typeof(CollisionDetectionPickup), nameof(CollisionDetectionPickup.ProcessCollision))]
  public static class CollisionDetectionPickupPatch
  {
            private static bool Prefix(
                CollisionDetectionPickup __instance,
                Collision collision)
            {
                var recontainer = UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectOfType<Scp079Recontainer>();

                if (!collision.collider.TryGetComponent<BreakableWindow>(out var window) ||
                    recontainer == null ||
                    window != recontainer._activatorGlass)
                {
                    return true;
                }

                if (__instance.PreviousOwner.IsSet)
                {
                    var hub = __instance.PreviousOwner.Hub;

                    foreach (var player in Player.List.Where(p => p.Role == RoleTypeId.Scp079))
                    {
                        if (CanDamage(hub, player.ReferenceHub) != false)
                        {
                            return true;
                        }
                    }
                    return false;
                }
                return true;
            }
        }
 }

I wonder what can be wrong here 🤔

[hearty shard]

btw please dont do Object.FindObjectOfType

[rustic pecan]

I have no clue how I can get this window

[hearty shard]

Window.List no? nvm

im also 99% sure theres a singleton somewhere

the main issue is that you're looping through every gameobject every time collissions are processed

[hearty shard]

that might be why you have the performance issue but i dunno

also why != false? huh

[sweet flax]

cant you juts patch it here?

[sweet flax]

because you are iteracting through every player every object

[hearty shard]

the main issue isnt even that

its the looping through all gameobjects

its notoriously slow, especially compared to a player.list loop

assuming theyre 1 player on it locally, its only 1 loop
compared to the well, VERY many loops unity has to do when you ask it for object of a type

[sweet flax]

must have edited this out since i though that i wrote it

[hearty shard]

a fix can be uhhh

[rustic pecan]

It can be null

Shitcoding PhD here

[hearty shard]

why can

why can a CanDamage return null 😭

ok then why not == true

instead of != false

[rustic pecan]

Null = basegame behavior
True = force damage
False = block damage

[hearty shard]

private BreakableWindow _knownWindow;

and then do

if (!_knownWindow)
    _knownWindow = UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectOfType<Scp079Recontainer>()._activatorGlass

so you only check it once, cache it, then if the cache is invalid, you just find the new one

[rustic pecan]

Yeah check it once somewhere during RoundWaitingForPlayers or sth

Thanks ❤️

[rustic pecan]

Cuz I want to prevent a player from damaging SCP079 button only when he cant attack all instances of SCP-079

If he can attack at least one of them, well

Too bad for others 😎

CanDamage can be == null or == true

== true is when the damaged is forced by plugin (for friendly fire for example)
== null is when I want to have basegame behavior

[hearty shard]

guh...

me when enums

[sweet flax]

wdym enum?

[rustic pecan]

Again, Im Shitcode PhD, licensed

[hearty shard]

enum is cleaner than a nullable bool

[rustic pecan]

Thanks, that worked)

Finally done with this freaking button xD

[upper vapor]

Object.FindAnyObjectByType

@eveil stop recommending obsolete stuff!!1!1!

[hearty shard]

idk i just copy pasted the code they gave

[rustic pecan]

Its fine, I changed that alr 😅

[upper vapor]

Society if unity removed obsolete APIs

[rustic pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[south socket]

is there a way to mute/disable chase themes for players yet?

[restive turret]

nope

[carmine prawn]

[thin shuttle]

can i know why you need this patch ?

[tribal dagger]

have a nice stay in the mirror limbo dimension

also #makeCameraParentingGreatAgain

although it was never great

[thin shuttle]

https://github.com/ExMod-Team/EXILED/blob/master/EXILED/Exiled.Events/Patches/Fixes/Scp3114FriendlyFireFix.cs

this would fix your issue

so you can correctly use event as normal

[thin shuttle]

or make than the Pickup destroying glass have an damagehandler instead of null

(i kinda hope it's fixed like that on Master)

[restive turret]

it will be different

[bright vine]

NineTailedFoxAnnouncer was changed recently, right? what's the new thing again

[restive turret]

Cassie?

Dispatcher?

[bright vine]

the change was like 6 months ago lmao, im so behind 😭

i think it was cassie yes

that's the "new" code

[upper vapor]

CassieAnnouncementDispatcher is the new base-game class

You can use the Announcer wrapper, too, though it doesn't cover all use cases

[bright vine]

oh, so that's the one! thank you ❤️

great to know

[upper vapor]

Np

[bright vine]

gonna have to use dnspy for this

so i know enough

[bright vine]

is there a way to skip certain announcements (particularly scp terminations)? or do i still have to use harmony for that

[rustic pecan]

I wanna prevent a specific player from pressing recont button of SCP079.

If I do it via LABAPI Ondamagingwindow it works only if a player shoots at the window. But what if he throws an item or projectile at it?

Apparently source code doesnt care and just lets ServerDamageWindow() do the job.

So Im patching the CollisonDetection itself that is partly responsible for computing the interaction between projectiles, items etc with windows.

[bright vine]

seems like it's still not possible to skip, so i'll continue using harmony

[restive turret]

ye there is no event for it yet for that

[upper vapor]

Patch for now, as Cassie events haven't been implemented yet

[bright vine]

thank you folks!

[thin shuttle]

I send you the fix for that

[thin shuttle]

You can use that

[sweet flax]

dear nw
please give us triangles
@sweet flax

[bright vine]

i noticed that in Remote Admin, ForceRole just takes the Role Name as the input, is there still a command that takes a Role ID as the input?

[hearty shard]

psure the force role command supports it

[bright vine]

it still does? weird, in the description, it doesnt say that

oh! you are right, it does, thank you

[restive turret]

dear users,
triangles are psyops made only by a group of people,
slejm

[hearty shard]

dear slime

can we crush you into a liquid

i need it for my industrial foregoing adventures

[restive turret]

nuh uh

[sweet flax]

dear nw
i am so desperate i even gave you a prototype https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/314#issuecomment-4529563843

[hearty shard]

also is the zero post chatgpt

[sweet flax]

?

[hearty shard]

the description

of the suggestion

[sweet flax]

probably

[upper vapor]

99.999% sure that it is

[restive turret]

kinda same prototype i sent to taj

[sweet flax]

mf's at nw be sending to other people instead of implementing it into the game

[hearty shard]

tbf keyword was prototype

[sweet flax]

but still

like

[sweet flax]

i mean its working it only needs to be tested

[upper vapor]

This doesn't change a lot

[restive turret]

I use SL to protoype and see what unity capable and also make me learn special stuff, I aint gonna add stuff into SL just because i prototyped something.

And I can only say what david said too
#plugins-dev-chat message

even if i prototype like something that is ok for my game on SL I aint gonna add it simply because I use it as a base

[sweet flax]

but like why not support it 😭

[sweet flax]

i thought it was prototype not for private use but like for nw mb

[sweet flax]

right nw the community is using cubes and planes to simulate the triangles

[restive turret]

ye people assume this which idk why, but i want it to be aware that I prototype many stuff on SL to learn

[hearty shard]

using sl for personal growth? nah this is NOT okay

ban this guy

[upper vapor]

You're using air for personal growth

[restive turret]

:(

[upper vapor]

Air + evilness

[restive turret]

SL already has networking and some stuff thats why i do stuff on it, if I have million time i prototype off SL on my own game

[sweet flax]

why?

This feature is one of the most if not the most asked feature by the modding community yet there still is no plans

[hearty shard]

that was a rejection of custom textures (likely to prevent it being a hog to download 5 million assets to join an SL server, its not gmod)

and ig meshes

i assume for some reason but no clue

[grand flower]

No fun allowed

[sweet flax]

Where my mesh

There is working code there is demand yet no feature

[sweet flax]

Well it could be limited

[grand flower]

Why limit it

[sweet flax]

The textures?

[grand flower]

Let players decide not to join servers that'll take them a long time to

Up to them

[sweet flax]

I think it would collide with the game vision and make it more gmodlike

But without the fucking lua

[grand flower]

Lua is great

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[sweet flax]

I dont personally like the syntax and the fact that it isnt static typed

[grand flower]

It's great for modding

although I personally use Luau since it does add a bit of type checking

[sweet flax]

Fivem i think has one of the best modding solutions since it supports lua csharp and js

And can be downloaded to the client

[grand flower]

The issue with C# modding is clients downloading scripts

You can spend a ton of time and effort sandboxing stuff sure but it's a pain in the ass

At least with Luau I'm certain that the worst scripts can do is crash the game. No malware.

[restive turret]

Does he know

The infostealers in lua

[sweet flax]

The luau os is the roblox one?

[grand flower]

What kind of info

[grand flower]

Yeah they have a subset of Luau

more performant, safer with sandboxing

[sweet flax]

And to add to it arrays start at 1 and oop has to be worked around which is a pain in the ass since all the games are oop (evens dots to some extend)

[grand flower]

OOP isn't hard

[restive turret]

Mostly cookies, i seen from Roblox and or gmod

[grand flower]

With metatables and userdata

[grand flower]

You can still prevent that

Kind of

Havent heard of that in gmod tho

How would it work?

[restive turret]

Mihht be only roblox but I heard it had from gmod too tho

I remember but I cant find it

[grand flower]

gmod is overly cautious so I feel like that'd be solved very early on if it happened

[upper vapor]

🔥

[quiet rune]

how many bullets does a Revolver with the 7-Shot Buckshot Cylinder fire?

[bright vine]

was there a update that made it so you'd see the last remaining target...? like the goggles

[hearty shard]

yes

[bright vine]

and how do you disable it?

[hearty shard]

idk

[bright vine]

you mean everyone just has this setting enabled by default? 😭

[hearty shard]

by default since its a basegame mechanic, yes

[tulip kiln]

last target tracker or smth like that

[bright vine]

i wonder when this mechanic was added

[tulip kiln]

fortunately the server decides on that

[tulip kiln]

You can patch this so the last target is never set

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(LastHumanTracker), nameof(LastHumanTracker.ServerUpdateLastHumanTracking))]
public static class ServerUpdateLastHumanTrackingPatch
{
    public static bool Prefix(LastHumanTracker __instance)
    {
        __instance.Network_lastTargetNetId = 0U;
        __instance.Network_lastTargetPos = null;

        return false;
    }
}

[bright vine]

i love how harmony is so common

oh right! i forgot to say, thank you

[sweet flax]

It's powerful and easy

[bright vine]

yeah because you can edit the game code directly from there, i just find it funny how its rlly common

[forest sentinel]

You realize this is used not only for orbs but also for other logic, right? And now you're messing it up.

[tulip kiln]

My intention for this patch was to disable all last target related features

This might break SCP-106's pocket insta kill and the soundtrack

[forest sentinel]

Yeah

If you only want to turn off the red glowing orb, use a fake last target position
https://github.com/MS-crew/LastPlayerOrbRemover/blob/master/LastPlayerOrbRemover%2FLastTargetOrbPatch.cs

[median sage]

if only there was a way to give a player an orb while the person seeing it is human... (not 096 with fake sync)

[forest sentinel]

orb toy when

[restive turret]

Toy toys when

[tulip kiln]

Can we change it so that the game is built around toys

every player is a toy

every room is a toy

everything is a toy

[topaz yacht]

Am I a toy

[remote cosmos]

While Northwood has a concrete vision for the overarching game that we develop, we choose to introduce modding opportunities as a way to give our community the ability to make their own things and have fun with the game in ways we never expected. Modders have been able to do very unique stuff and make more ways to have fun with the game. Heavily modded servers aren't my personal cup of tea, but I know the impact they have on our community. I also know RP servers are a pretty significant size of the community (though I can't speak much to it— I've never properly partaken in an RP server).

The reason we do not support customized textures and meshes are mostly due to the technical costs and long-term game impact that this will have to the SCP:SL project. While I am trusting that the security side of things could be eventually worked out, and we don't have to worry about potential issues that come with downloading things from members of the community, there's also the impact it will have on the actual game. For example, performance— we need to make sure that things are cached, meshes and textures are preemptively downloaded, and everything is sorted out there. Even right now the current implementation of primitives, despite us continuously improving them, can still have a heavy cost. Customized things like this result in amplifying that stress, potentially bringing down performance even more.

There's also the idea that the future of SL will look like— sitting on the main menu to download each server's unique asset collections a la GMod. This isn't really something we are desiring to go for. We have a core game at the base of SL, with the sandbox portion as an expansion of that. Unlike GMod, Roblox, s&box... which are games made for something like this. Whilst I understand it will start as a small scale thing it will inevitably grow and become larger. Even if that doesn't happen, it does mean that the game's identity will be eroded away from what we have it as right now. Some of you could see that as a good thing, you are all very creative and smart folks. But whether or not you feel that this is something we should desire, it's not something we want to pursue right now.

For now, we want to continue making the unique game that we are currently establishing. This obviously doesn't mean it's off the table. Priorities will shift over the years as we get things into states we are more happy with. For now though, we feel that pursuing this will work against the passion project we have in our hands. Folks will start to lose focus on what is base game, what is from plugins, what folks Northwood should be doing with the game, etc. Even now game identity is an issue that many folks take problem with. It's what I'd argue that is the core issue many people have with this game, whether they realize it or not. Muddying those waters further feels like it'd be shortsighted right now.

I do think that there is a time and place for something like this. Look at games like Space Station 13/14. They've found success and are able to financially and logistically support both the game and individual communities, all while creating a game that anyone can expand in whatever fashion they prefer. That's wonderful. While obviously there's issues I'm overlooking, that's the overaching idea I'd like to pose. I don't think SL is ready for that yet, much less what will happen to the Northwood company as a whole, but I do think that this something we'd like to have in the game. Likely more towards the project end, or later on when we feel much more brave with the impact it will have.

You don't have to agree with this. As I mentioned earlier, our plugin devs and modders are some of the brightest and passionate folk in the community. But this is our stance right now. We don't feel that pursuing this is all in the best interest of the game right now. It will be revisited though, and to say it's fully off the table is not the case. Just not right now.

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We want to give more opportunities to the community while still retaining the core of the game we have today. I don't want to put anything like this off the table, as it'd be a wonderful thing if we could get it sorted out logistics wise. Something like a workshop is a common suggestion. Which this would somewhat be a first step towards, or otherwise be in the same ballpark. This is all not even considering moderation, ensuring security, or the other annoying headaches...

The long in short is that we aren't yet confident in moving away from our current development position. We're not putting this off the table though. I know there's a good use case and potential impact. When Northwood feels that we are ready, we could expand more towards giving community significantly more control of the project as a whole, even if it does come at the expense of our vision. All of us here in this chat wants the best for the game. So we will continue to assess and make that call. This moment is just not the right time.

If you disagree, that's plenty fine. This is our overarching stance though.

[carmine prawn]

[hollow pewter]

Long scary text

[spring hornet]

That is a giant wall of text. got the broad understanding of it tho, and i can kinda understand it

[spare zodiac]

can I somehow read all payloads sent to client?

[restive turret]

Yes, hook into sending the bytes

[grand flower]

Just make sure to keep whatever processing you do as optimized as possible

Hot paths and all

[upper vapor]

What

[upper vapor]

Toyota toy

[sacred sierra]

maybe he means like pellets

[unique crane]

8 pellets per shot

[upper vapor]

that's for the revolver?

[unique crane]

Yea

[upper vapor]

what the

[tulip kiln]

8 bullets but only 5 can hit?

[upper vapor]

yes because yes

[sinful bronze]

math

[carmine prawn]

Bullet flavor

and

My English isn't good, so I'd better not explain

[upper vapor]

Got Blake

Git blame

[carmine prawn]

[spare zodiac]

you should like totally push each element randomly by -0.1 to 0.1 each update to remove consistency

[worn gull]

Inpossible

[restive turret]

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[cyan crown]

1$ vibe coder vs 1.000.000$ vibe coder

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1434255604159086754/1467246547581534361/attachment.gif

[tulip kiln]

1$ loses due to lack of tokens

[cyan crown]

😂

"hey jimmy my tokens ran out what do i do?"
(gets executed immediately)

[forest sentinel]

particle toy would be good

[sweet flax]

was already suggested i think but not accepted

[sweet flax]

For example, performance— we need to make sure that things are cached, meshes and textures are preemptively downloaded
Here i would talk about meshes not textures. They would not be "downloaded" but sent like every other [SyncVar] .
Even right now the current implementation of primitives, despite us continuously improving them, can still have a heavy cost. Customized things like this result in amplifying that stress, potentially bringing down performance even more.
I will disagree here since allowing us to make custom meshes would allows the map makers to optimize the count of triangles used by a single build. Right now only using rectangles its hard to make more complex shapes without drawing some faces behind other.

But also im not saying that making custom meshes would not have its downsides network wise. Every mesh would require syncing an array of vector 3 (12 bytes * count) and an int array however it could be optimized by using ushort (limit to 65535 triangles) or even byte (255 limit). Let's say we would use ushort so the message size would be 12 * X + 2 * Y [Bytes].

If not using an custom mesh adding just a simple triangle toy would open a lot of possibilites and this would only need 36 bytes for every triangle sent

[sweet flax]

network the whole game and let the server handle it

[soft depot]

Yeah just give us RCE

[icy knoll]

@languid temple you know what time it is

@subtle ravine

[subtle ravine]

Nooo

Free money....

[tulip kiln]

You can give it to me

:DD

[subtle ravine]

nuh uh

[snow pulsar]

damn

[unique crane]

evil Alex

first he steals all wins in Crabgame

and then mr beast's money

[upper vapor]

"a rák egye ki a szívedet"
-# have the crab eat out your heart

crab/cancer

could mean either

[obtuse spruce]

Im not from Northwood, but I wanted to share my perspective as both a server owner and a VHP, since I understand some of the infrastructure constraints involved here. Also, I used ChatGPT to help translate my thoughts into English since Im French and still struggle a bit with technical explanations in English

• Here I would talk about meshes, not textures. However, even for meshes, Mirror should not be used as a CDN. SyncVars are designed to synchronize lightweight gameplay state, not to stream full asset data such as vertices, triangles, normals, UVs, tangents, etc.
• While I do agree that custom meshes could help map makers optimize triangle counts and reduce the amount of overlapping primitive geometry currently required, there are still major infrastructure concerns that should not be ignored. You also have to account for serialization/deserialization cost, allocations, bandwidth spikes. Even if the networking side is technically feasible, continuously transferring mesh data through Mirror would scale very poorly on large servers.
• Bandwidth is also a real world issue for hosting providers. Some providers especially those behind Anti-DDoS infrastructure operate under monthly traffic limits. For example, as a VHP, if multiple servers were running large custom maps with high player counts, repeatedly transferring mesh data to clients could quickly become a serious bandwidth problem without proper local caching.
• I dont think custom meshes are a bad idea at all, but if Northwood ever decides to go in that direction, it should probably be backed by a proper asset delivery pipeline with CDN support and local client-side caching, so unchanged assets do not need to be re-downloaded or re-sent every connection.
• Until then, I honestly think a more realistic intermediate solution would simply be expanding the current primitive system with additional shapes like triangles, cones, wedges, etc... That alone would already significantly improve mapping possibilities without introducing the full complexity of custom asset distribution.

@tulip kiln Tiny update about the Voice chat fix: It seems to be working really well. None of my moderators have reported any major issues with it 😉 Your name will remain engraved in my Git history

[tulip kiln]

[pale horizon]

using Sitelink atm

[worn gull]

Don't think so cuz it's how in the client

I guess

It needs to connect+load in to the server and that is the loading screen

[soft depot]

just hack the client and remove the code that loads that scene

[pale horizon]

pretty much figured it out

just fixing a few things

[soft depot]

Does it really regenerate the whole map?

[pale horizon]

?

[soft depot]

What’s the point of whatever it is you’re making?

[pale horizon]

uhh silliness

will dm

[soft depot]

I’m just asking because I thought you were working on a seamless server hopping thing ig

[upper vapor]

i cannot imagine the amount of tiny issues you'll encounter

[barren pasture]

Any ideas why neither Raycast nor RaycastAll will hit a player?

[upper vapor]

Are you doing this in the hurting event?

[barren pasture]

Pinging

[upper vapor]

Uh

Does it hit anything at all?

Try visualizing the ray using DrawableLines

[barren pasture]

Raycast hits "Outside" and RaycastAll hits everything behind the player I'm aiming at

[upper vapor]

Which lawyers are you using

Layers

[barren pasture]

Default

I've tried the layer "Player" on a raycast but that didn't give results

[upper vapor]

Maybe move the origin forward by a bit

[barren pasture]

Doesn't change the fact that RaycastAll doesn't hit, either, unless you are saying to hit it with the Player layer

[upper vapor]

I have no clue tbh

If you spawn a dummy next to the target, does it hit the dummy per chance?