plugins-dev-chat

[hearty shard]

slime cant read

[soft depot]

He is stinky after all

Right Eve?

[hearty shard]

yes

hi someone

[restive turret]

stinky of them all or something

[hearty shard]

get back to work

[soft depot]

Hi nameless

[unique crane]

Next topic, where and when are we deporting Eve?

[hearty shard]

i lowk forget that it used to be my online name lmao

[hearty shard]

what the fuck 💔

[soft depot]

I still don’t know what the best name to call you is 💀

[hearty shard]

just eve works 😭

[restive turret]

the "Taken" one obv

[hearty shard]

im obviously eve

literally

[soft depot]

Are you that lonely bro

[hearty shard]

and yes thats why i have obv in my name lmao

[hearty shard]

hes a programmer

does that answer it

[restive turret]

so do you

[hearty shard]

nuh uh

[soft depot]

Both you and I are programmers too

[hearty shard]

i get someone to do it for me

he does it all and i commit it and steal the credit

[restive turret]

grok is this true

[soft depot]

Hell, I contribute to Exiled, so you know I’m never getting a love life

[hearty shard]

hell no dont ever mention grok

not after the incident

[soft depot]

grok is this true?

[hearty shard]

grok try to respect women challenge

[soft depot]

(Impossible)

[restive turret]

also feel free to test your own bug reports you did

so I can surely close the issues

[hearty shard]

twitter try not to make it a paid feature instead of actually making it safe

"you must pay to be a weirdo"

🥀

[soft depot]

You talking about the goofy waypoint “bug” 😂

[soft depot]

Men in a nutshell

[restive turret]

no your and yamatos bugreports

especially the SCP instant sameframe set

[hearty shard]

friendly fire?

[soft depot]

Yup

[hearty shard]

lowk

i should do work

but

lazy

[harsh thorn]

they could already do this anyway, now the kick messages from gbans issued by gmods ingame will be the same as kick messages from the central server itself

[soft depot]

[celest thorn]

Yea i saw that

But why?

It was like that always

[harsh thorn]

"now kick messages will be the same as kick messages from the cnetral server"

[celest thorn]

Just to specify why?

[harsh thorn]

we changed the kick messages on the CS
that means the one on the game was mismatched if we banned someone via ingame

so now i made it so the CS will send the gmod the kick message, which will simply tell it to the server

so we can always change it

[celest thorn]

Makes sense

With context it makes sense

[harsh thorn]

technically i could just change the hardcoded string again, but the new system includes dynamic kick messages

so this was the most "uniform" solution and not having 6 places a kick message is located

[restive turret]

@celest thorn @soft depot @thin shuttle

Here is the bugs that should be fixed btw:
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/365
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/363
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/358
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/349
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/340
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/320
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/306
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/288
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/185
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/135

(just a funfact & only the bugs was searched)

[sinful bronze]

What about audio bug

💅

[restive turret]

what audio bug

[static meteor]

Never going to be fixed

[restive turret]

im not the guy who do audio related stuff

half of my time I blast music on my ears when i play so

[sinful bronze]

is nw ever gonna fix the audio bug that makes people randomly unable to hear other people when a server goes above like 40-45 players

This is the result of a Unity Limitation with the amount of total Audio Sources, we have since implemented a priority system to eliminate some ambient / lower priority sounds at higher player counts.

https://tenor.com/view/catwait-cat-wagging-tail-gif-15164511416751561383

[static meteor]

Finally made the PMER converter for my map editor. (Said I might do this like two weeks ago)

I hadn't worked on it for those two weeks. I took a break from developing

Ive got primitives fully clientside and im working on stuff like doors and clutter

[unique crane]

Nice

[restive turret]

ClutterToy

[static meteor]

When

[restive turret]

When i

[carmine prawn]

[dusk tangle]

How can I fix a bug where NPCs sometimes appear in the player list?

[carmine prawn]

set it ReferenceHub.serverRoles.HideFromPlayerList = true

[tired pecan]

Whose gonna be the fastest to making a plugin to remove movement penalties

[barren pasture]

My server said my discord account was global banned, but accepted me after taking a minute to restart my game

It's happening again

[static meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202817073412055144/1484281015915647066/attachment.gif

[barren pasture]

I don't think I'm gbanned

There shouldn't be any reason to gban me

Would setting Player::CurrentItem to an item the player doesn't have in their inventory, but is in another player's inventory (a dummy in this scenario), cause flags on my account?

[carmine prawn]

guess ip banned

[barren pasture]

I'm not tho? I can still join my private server, and Silly Site

Ok so now it's just not putting the item into my hand. Neat.

I guess it could be having trouble ip banning me bc local ip, but I would assume that would also id ban me. That would make sense.

Player.Get(BlackMagicPlugin.UniverseDummy), "Spell", "Wizard", "Test", new KeycardLevels(0, 0, 0),
Color.blue, Color.green, Color.cyan, 0);

player.Inventory.NetworkCurItem = new ItemIdentifier(item.Base.ItemTypeId, item.Serial);
if (player.Inventory.isLocalPlayer)
{
    player.Inventory.CurInstance = item.Base;
}```

If I'm correct, this should be putting the keycard in my hand. (UniverseDummy is a dummy called Universe, who is stuck in OW).

Am I stupid?

[harsh thorn]

as you can see by the kick message itself, its not actually banned banned, it is infact. an auth error
if it persists, its something you could go to #technical-support support about

[barren pasture]

Doesn't seem to persist

Has yet to happen again

[upper vapor]

Did you know that the RefreshRoom method only gets called once

[upper vapor]

I've answered this question already

[barren pasture]

Update: I have made the server register that I have a current item (by removing the isLocalPlayer check), but I still don't see the keycard in game.

NetworkCurItem is not in fact NetworkCurIteming

[upper vapor]

You should create a new item isntead of trying to use the instance another player owns

[barren pasture]

I'm trying to not clutter the player's inv

Also this plugin won't be for public use, so best practice is not a priority for me.

[upper vapor]

Maybe @slow grotto can help you

[barren pasture]

I'm going to bed, have him ping me about whatever.

[celest thorn]

The only problem i have is if you have primitives for example trails (mine is an example) it would lag the server, and does it get client side or no?

[tranquil river]

couldn't you just send packets to make the primitives on the client rather than on the server

[celest thorn]

meoweditor works like that lol

[tranquil river]

oh nice

[celest thorn]

https://notzer0two.is-a.dev/projects/meoweditor

this is the portfolio and i usually talk about projects i do, so here's the one for meoweditor

some more details are there

ig

[celest thorn]

btw to this i need to add there are alot of more formats, minecraft schematics, voxels, and the json format mojang uses

[tranquil river]

fbx support

(kidding, although what it'd involve in my view is finding meshes that conform to primitive shapes but uhh that's a bit much)

[upper vapor]

Again, the method only gets called once when you spawn them

[celest thorn]

ok but answer my question it gets called on the client?

[upper vapor]

If you move the primitive, you can manually call that to refresh the room (which is not needed)

[upper vapor]

You can look at the code

[celest thorn]

so its not on the headless only

[upper vapor]

Yes it's called on the client, but only in Start

[celest thorn]

hope on god it doesn't destroy fps because ngl it would be crazy

because some stuff like trail i respawn them because was too lazy to reuse them

[upper vapor]

Try it and see

[celest thorn]

im just gonna wait lol, i cannot spin up an atoh instance

and 2nd my connection this days is so ass

[restive turret]

Btw no

Client shouldn't care about it since the room check is by server (i think?)

[upper vapor]

It's called in Start

[celest thorn]

idk im asking if it is headless exclusive

[upper vapor]

So, both

[restive turret]

I meant it doesn't access the room properly

[upper vapor]

Might fix client side lighting issues but I'm not sure

[restive turret]

It's in the ray casting stuff

[upper vapor]

L216 in RoomUtils

[restive turret]

Ye ik

I already have a PR doing most of good change on checking the player pos

Was funny when I returned in ragdoll update method and the ragdoll flew but stayed at T-pose

[upper vapor]

I'm not sure what you mean by "it doesn't access the room properly"

[restive turret]

If you already on coords (which is sadly rare) it goes to raycast

Eh idc

I already have a PR resulting like 70+ less raycast call

[upper vapor]

Right

[upper vapor]

should be fixed now

not sure if you made an issue in the labapi repo

[hearty shard]

buh

[slow grotto]

When I've worked with cloning items between player and dummy I still always give the item to both. The way that setting current item works is telling the client what item Serial ID they should be using. ItemIdentifier that syncs to the client is just that and the ItemType. The client side likely relies on the same check the server does that confirms the item is in your inventory before displaying it.

If I were to do that I'd dedicate 1 inventory slot to the keycards, then if they want to change it just remove the old card and add the new one to cycle the slot.

[sinful bronze]

why

[restive turret]

?

[slow grotto]

Which part?

[sinful bronze]

ntf spawn is paused

they spawned

[slow grotto]

No spectators?

[royal mica]

Didn't the changelog say, that the RA pause is not full pause?

- Added `WaveTimer.IsForcefullyPaused`, which allows developers to completely pause a wave's timer.
    - This will cause the timer to not tick down under any circumstance, as opposed to the regular pause function.
    - Additionally, if set to `true`, not even objective rewards will affect the timer.

ye

I assume this also affects the spawnwave not happening despite having tokens

[restive turret]

I guess

[royal mica]

or correct me if the RA pause timer does this

[restive turret]

Tag lumi

[royal mica]

@sinful bronze can you test?

[sinful bronze]

i will test

[unique crane]

Was that full wave or miniwave respawn?

[sinful bronze]

full wave

cassie named it like regular squad

but funny what no caps

or sergeants

[icy knoll]

there wont be any spawn waves at all unless programatically forced

timer completely pauses until you unpause

and as stated, objectives wont reduce time

it will be at a complete standstill until unpaused

as for what's shown above, they must have clicked respawn or something, because this passed QA with no issues

also my testing too (i waited 15 minutes for a wave to spawn, nothing)

[slow grotto]

If respawns are RA paused can rewards force the time remaining down to 0 if enough are granted? The only "natural" way I could see it happening if the round was long enough.

[sinful bronze]

I tested and there is no issues now I hope that I had an issue

[icy knoll]

no, it says this is not possible in the changelog

[slow grotto]

Oh, wait. They were all privates. Could it gained enough tickets to get a mini-wave? Even if it said it was full?

[icy knoll]

yes, potentially

mini waves may have not been paused

[restive turret]

lumi is the one who build this so she knows better than me

[icy knoll]

slejm

im a woman

😭

[sinful bronze]

shhh

[restive turret]

fuck i did it again

fixed

[sinful bronze]

stupid english

[icy knoll]

ty

[unique crane]

just say Lumi to be gender correct these days

xd

[sinful bronze]

im always do this

[icy knoll]

throwing my boss out of the 10th story window hold on guys

brb

[unique crane]

Goodbye lumi

[sinful bronze]

when idk what pronouns of dude

[unique crane]

see you in 3 years after your sentence

[icy knoll]

smh

[restive turret]

only 3?

[royal mica]

This is why I love Hungarian, no pronouns to fuck up :dogkek:

[restive turret]

speakinghead

[worn gull]

"ő"

[celest thorn]

wdym?

no pronouns?

in my case (italian) a fridge is female and so on

[restive turret]

its neutral gender

[celest thorn]

crazy

[wheat flower]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-what-is-bro-yapping-about-gif-14759966213520192304

[celest thorn]

crazy concepts that an american brain cannot understand

far beyond the english language

[restive turret]

indeed

[celest thorn]

(crazy english is not the only language that exist)

[restive turret]

english is the worst one ngl

[wheat flower]

are you calling me stupid or something

💀

[celest thorn]

no im calling you limited

[wheat flower]

https://tenor.com/view/failed-rage-bait-connor-human-become-gif-3072717565684603950

[celest thorn]

crazy

just need to say i got my hands on it :3

[restive turret]

wild usb

[celest thorn]

that usb is just a backup

in case my pc explodes

tbh the thing i love of this collector is just the book

its full of details and stuff and references

[upper vapor]

introducing: "they"

also introducing:

"that"

[worn gull]

Nah German is worse

[royal mica]

Fuck all the words, we should just use "izé"

[true arch]

is it possible to enable christmas map generation or no

educational purposes only

[upper vapor]

nope

won't sync

[true arch]

boooo

[upper vapor]

set the time to christmas on the server and all clients

-# it's not gonna unlock all holiday features

[true arch]

could that be used to enable flamingos

[upper vapor]

https://tryitands.ee

[true arch]

stop gatekeeping what we can do with el client and el server

glimpse into my spanish mind btw

[upper vapor]

donate $1000 every month for the rest of the game's lifespan and maybe then we can talk

[true arch]

games lifespan is two months from today

[upper vapor]

we'll see about that

[grand flower]

So we have to pay 1000$ to get good modding?

[true arch]

netanyahu is calling

[upper vapor]

keyword "maybe"

[upper vapor]

what's on net.anya.hu

[worn gull]

Nah we will get entrance zone rework xd

[grand flower]

How about good modding for the people keeping the game alive with their communities

[true arch]

files showing scp secret labs strictness in the modding scene

[grand flower]

That is my main annoyance with the game

Considering it came from a gmod gamemode it's ironic

[upper vapor]

at big people at nw

[restive turret]

@upper vapor

[grand flower]

brick_wall_talking.gif

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/speak-gif-9578947274896178319

[grand flower]

yeah

[upper vapor]

failed at "big"

[grand flower]

why bother

[true arch]

no reason for it to be this strict btw

they just HATE their community

but it’s ok because we all HATE the community

[grand flower]

I know, why do you think I'm working on my own game

Full client & server scripting

[upper vapor]

you can't be racist if you hate everyone

[grand flower]

SL players aren't a race though

[restive turret]

I just give access to code to anyone under license

[upper vapor]

then

you can't be xenophobic either

[restive turret]

its MIT license as far as i seen it, only some of the code isnt

[grand flower]

What are we talking about here

[restive turret]

i dont know what ax is on there

[upper vapor]

cocoa

[restive turret]

i give full access to game code uncompiled and stuff thats what I talk about, thats the most modder friendly (& so they can make PRs like S&box engine)

[grand flower]

I won't, mainly because it's my blood and tears but also licensing issues. However the base modding scripts shipped with the game will be open source.

They don't need editor access for the best modding as long as I give them access through scripts/mods

[restive turret]

ye I know you cant open source UE games

[grand flower]

yeah

even then I'd rather keep it mine. But yeah if the modders need something they can just add me

[upper vapor]

this cannot be real

[grand flower]

I'm not gonna yell security issues

[grand flower]

Engine licensing makes it so you cant redistribute engine code. So while yeah you can open source parts of your game you might be missing some.

In my case it's more some paid plugins I use. Can't redist that so having code access would be useless anyway, wouldn't compile

Unless you buy the plugins yourself lol

[upper vapor]

ohhhh

[restive turret]

since I know i wont host any server long way and since I dont think I will update my game that much it has to be closed source & so anyone can just contribute to it

[grand flower]

Mine will be through Steam so I dont need to exist for the game to continue

[restive turret]

I plan to be able to play strightly on lan or have federation

[grand flower]

If I ever get to a point where I will stop supporting it (20+ years realistically, but who knows) then maybe I will

[restive turret]

so i dont need to do shit

[grand flower]

Yeah

[restive turret]

and i testing other platforms too (itch / eos)

[grand flower]

Either way I'm giving everything I can to modders

[restive turret]

maybe gog but i dont think they gonna give funny SDK and stuff into me

[grand flower]

And I'll be as hands free as I can with servers

[restive turret]

Ye i dont plan to over moderate anything, i let servers do their own moderation

obv if I run my own server as "official" that would have own moderation & only for myself which other server owner could sub to it. (get ban list from federation, etc)

obv many stuff has been re-planned since i started the project

[grand flower]

I won't even have any backend

or well that's a lie I'll have one for uh, server info

But if it goes down nothing happens

Steam master servers will handle the most of it

[wary gust]

Are the slow auth times a known issue or should I somehow report/look into it?
(they happen on my localhost dedicated server too)

[grand flower]

probably known? doesn't sound new to me

[restive turret]

idk it seems regular / fast for me

[wary gust]

it takes upwards of 40 seconds for me to get auth

[restive turret]

maybe your host or your pc issue

[wary gust]

and that's on local machine and all official servers too

[restive turret]

early build or live?

[wary gust]

release (so live)

It started happening a few weeks after 14.2.5 iirc

[restive turret]

I joined local and it took ~4 second to auth me and full load took ~16 min

[wary gust]

idk then

lemme time it

iirc it's worse on non-local but still bad

[restive turret]

~5 sec or less for me

[wary gust]

nvm it's only around 10s on local. sorry

[restive turret]

:48 Received auth req from game server
:50 Obtained encryption key using ECDH exchange

[wary gust]

will test on a regular server tho

[restive turret]

tho it can be your connection to central server is ass

[wary gust]

well I remeber it being worse for some reason. also took around 15s on the server you're on rn

(from after the loading screen)

sorry to bother you. It used to be faster for me for sure tho.

[restive turret]

This is from the log so

[restive turret]

im not a dev for centrals or AC so i can only send what I can do with my testing

[harsh thorn]

if auth takes long itl most definetely not change on different servers

as all the server does is verify the token you send
if it persists take a screenshot of the client console with the auth logs somewhat centered, with the timestamps visible so i can see some stuff

[wary gust]

will do if it feels long again. what do you consider long tho?

[harsh thorn]

well auth shouldnt take longer than 2-5 seconds
10 is stretching it but can be the case on slower connections/machines

[wary gust]

so 15s would be worth sending for sure then?

[harsh thorn]

sure, can always see where the "delay" comes from to see if its something

[sinful bronze]

[eternal sleet]

Please can someone help me in enabling UCR?

I have definitaly loaded the mod

But right now the command does not work

[old nest]

you're in console, try /ucr instead

[eternal sleet]

brilliant, thank you so much

that gave the list of commands!

[eternal sleet]

how about in RA?

If that is possible

[old nest]

just ucr in RA

[eternal sleet]

Okay thats coming up as "does not exist"

[old nest]

maybe you don't have the permission to execute the command ?

[eternal sleet]

My understanding is I gave the admin role the correct permission

[old nest]

i'm not familiar with ucr but it seems correct

syntax is at least

[eternal sleet]

Strange, at least its working from the console

[old nest]

not very practical lmao

[eternal sleet]

No, but I cant see any alternative

[old nest]

going to test on my dev server, see what it tells me

[old nest]

works fine for me, you sure you're in RA and not the client console ?

[eternal sleet]

oh my god

thats a different thing..

OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

[old nest]

lmao

[strong lagoon]

Does it auto update labapi or do you have to manually do it?

[spring swan]

Should be auto

[old nest]

if you're using the package it should be auto

[strong lagoon]

oh hi ghost 👋

[old nest]

if you're a guy like me with 40 dlls in your repo then manual

[strong lagoon]

We only have 2

[celest thorn]

What you doing here

[spring swan]

I’m a plugin dev trust

I coded uh that one thing

[celest thorn]

Yea i know what thing dw

One of us

[old nest]

nvm i underestimated it lmao

[celest thorn]

[old nest]

149

[spring swan]

Wait I coded something?

[celest thorn]

You said so

[spring swan]

Well anyways back to my shell of #serverhost-cat

[celest thorn]

Crazy

[old nest]

🤓

[strong lagoon]

He’s a server host dev so I think he should be here

[celest thorn]

Im the same lol (he is not btw)

[spring swan]

Oh I’m no developer :P

That’s why I hang out in the server host chats

[strong lagoon]

I thought you were head of twilight 🤷

mb

[barren pasture]

No way! Is that the real Ghostz?

[spring swan]

I am

Just that I don’t code and mainly use Linux instead :P

[spring swan]

Hi

[strong lagoon]

Hey does anyone know a way I can get into contact with someone named Alex? I heard they were a plugin dev that worked on brights

[celest thorn]

Never heard of this name tbh

But there are other devs (like me )

Crazy

Rejected lol

[barren pasture]

What is your use with this "Alex" human?

[strong lagoon]

I wanted to hire him as a second plugin dev

[barren pasture]

Ah. You know there is a bunch of other devs here that would likely be willing, right? Unless you need the one specific person for any reason.

[soft depot]

yeah I'm the slave (unpaid intern) he steals credit from

[grand flower]

Bright's devs are just that much better sorry

[soft depot]

you know I recreated like all the dr brights mayhem items when I was learning C#

it's a pretty fun way to get into plugin development

[restive turret]

yknow its not a competition

[soft depot]

cyn legit just made it one 😂

[grand flower]

I was memeing

I beat everyone since I transcended SL /s

Jokes aside yeah custom items are a fun way to learn

[celest thorn]

Tbh im getting tired of developing on sl, i just finished off writing alot of ideas and mechanics for something unique and my own, so im probably gonna do it

[static meteor]

[true arch]

i got this issue to

i dont remember what caused mine

[static meteor]

I think i failed to spawn a door and it started

Idk though

Ah so thats why SpawnedServerObjects wasnt getting populated

[barren pasture]

Go for it

[strong lagoon]

I’m mainly just looking for someone who knows what their doing. and can get things working the first time with at most a few quality of life tweaks needed.

[barren pasture]

That is still a lot of devs here. Discluding myself. I can't code worth shit.

[strong lagoon]

Custom gate a? 👀 this looks awesome

[static meteor]

No im making my own map editor

[barren pasture]

Still neat

[strong lagoon]

Is it a branch of mer? Or a separate plugin?

[static meteor]

Seperate

[strong lagoon]

You should make it to where it has a detect map feature. that way if someone has a map loaded at the beginning they can detect which one it is and load a version for nuke or decon

[rugged laurel]

youd have to pay an arm and a leg for the person your looking for

[grand flower]

Depends

I never asked for money on Bright's

if someone's project is cool I tend to like helping

[strong lagoon]

Would I have to pay an arm and a leg for you trub?

[rugged laurel]

yeah

[strong lagoon]

how much do you ask for?

[rugged laurel]

honestly idk cause it have to be worth developing against my own interest lol

[strong lagoon]

fair. I mean my server is inspired by chaos theory in some areas

though it’s mainly meant to be a mashup of old candy cult chaos theory and brights as well as mega patch 2 sl

Plus I usually pay nesquuik well for his efforts usually ranging in the 125$-175$ range depending on what’s being done

though I’m sure you get paid more from ct patreon money

[tranquil river]

Like a room decoration override?

[rugged laurel]

Yaaa

I prob wouldnt dev for another server if it wasnt at least 1k a month min lol

[tranquil river]

I devved for a gmod server with a custom gamemode for 3 years without pay (I was silly and didn't even accept their voluntary offers to reimburse)

[rugged laurel]

If ur passionate about a project then its def worth it without pay

I deves ct 3 years while losing momey

No regrets loved every second

[tranquil river]

I see

[strong lagoon]

More of a way to save resources as its primary use would most likely be detecting which map is loaded, unloading it, and loading a new one based on the loaded map so say detected mapvariantA ->unload map variantA ->LoadmapvariantAdecon

[tranquil river]

So when decontamination occurs it switches map?

[strong lagoon]

I am. I just want to create a server that is stable and that offers a good starting point to modded sl. with a lot of the good features that the more heavily modded servers have and some features of our own

That’s one of the reasons I’m so excited for twilight hosting

[rugged laurel]

ya im excited to see where twilight hosting goes

[strong lagoon]

Yes so that it can load a version of whichever random map was loaded at beginning of round that doesn’t have anything in Lcz

ct does something similar but I’m pretty sure it’s schematic based not map based

[rugged laurel]

ya we chose schematic based because it gave us more control to have full random variations

[soft depot]

https://tenor.com/be4Nw.gif

[rugged laurel]

i pay all my devs

[soft depot]

we're too broke for that

@spring swan can confirm

[rugged laurel]

before i owned the patreon i payed out of my own money for my devs 😓

my wallet hurt

[soft depot]

ghostz used to too, but now he has to consolidate costs

btw have you been able to access the beta trouble?

just outta curiosity

[rugged laurel]

havent tried since exiled hasnt updated

i cant test anything till it does

[soft depot]

well I have a branch now on my fork with the relevant updates to the obviously broken stuff

but like

[spring swan]

Sorry twilight hosting ate the costs

[soft depot]

I can test anything without the beta 😭

[rugged laurel]

does the beta not let you on

[soft depot]

no I cant access it

it's not on steam for me 😔

[rugged laurel]

ill try downloading mine

[soft depot]

I think it's because CDN's tend to be weaker and slower where I live

[soft depot]

you want me to DM you the only 2 dlls updated? (at least because I cant test any further as of right now)

[rugged laurel]

ya it exists on mine

i can spin up a server and have my qa test

[soft depot]

💔

if you want

I can probably do some shenanigans to get the new build tho

I just wanted to know if it was a more global problem

[rugged laurel]

is there any breaking changes where id have to re compile

[soft depot]

if you ever referenced Scp1509RespawnEligibility

[rugged laurel]

dont think so

[soft depot]

it's static now so the reference to it in the 1509 wrapper is cooked

alr then no

[rugged laurel]

coolio feel free to send me the dlls ill test em

[soft depot]

only changes noticeable so far were some transpiler indices needing to be changed

[soft depot]

btw nw people, the new network changes make it so constructing a new footprint now causes an error when you do it when a player leaves (it didn't used to do that) so next update can you guys just add a more comprehensive check to this like in the constructor?

just check if LiteNetLib4MirrorServer.Peers still contains the players connection id, that's all

[strong lagoon]

I pay the devs but I only hire people who know what they’re doing now. lots of time and money had to be wasted to recode the old stuff.

[strong lagoon]

Btw what exactly was the 1509 wrapper issue, I’d see it in the console but never figured out what was actually wrong

[strong lagoon]

This is me currently

[static meteor]

There was no wrapper for the 1509 Pickup when LabApi tried to automatically create one afaik

[upper pike]

That meant 1509 had little to no modding capabilities right?

Never played around with 1509

Or could you just access the base class directly?

[static meteor]

You could use the base class

[upper pike]

That tracks

[upper vapor]

please make an issue

[harsh thorn]

Can you make it an issue somewhere

As itd most likely be forgotten here

[dusk tangle]

Can the number of doors spawning in Hcz Zone areas be increased?

[restive turret]

Well i only compiled new one and sent a pr fixing 1509 on exiled

I didn't added new stuff (which would he cool to do honestly anyway)

But there is now more modding capabilities for the knife

[dusk tangle]

Wow

[frank mica]

is it possible to build a plugin on linux?
all the docs i can see say it needs dotnet 4.8 but dotnet 4.8 is exclusive to windows for some mystical reason

[old nest]

i don't think so, i tried, didn't succeed so i gave up

[late shoal]

it is

[frank mica]

how?

[old nest]

tell me 👀

[frank mica]

(please dont say virtual machine)

[restive turret]

Use net472

Or netstandard 2.0 or 2.1

472 should work on all

That's why i have that every project

[restive turret]

Also where is it so can change it

[late shoal]

This is how i did mine csproj file, mine works on windows and on linux aswell

<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk">

  <PropertyGroup>
    <TargetFrameworks>net481;net8.0</TargetFrameworks>
    <LangVersion>10.0</LangVersion>
    <RootNamespace>X</RootNamespace>
    <AssemblyName>X</AssemblyName>
    
    <ImplicitUsings>disable</ImplicitUsings>
    <Nullable>disable</Nullable>
    <GenerateAssemblyInfo>false</GenerateAssemblyInfo>
  </PropertyGroup>

  <ItemGroup>
    <Reference Include="...">
      <HintPath>..\X.dll</HintPath>
    </Reference>
  </ItemGroup>

  <ItemGroup>
    <PackageReference Include="..." Version="..." />
    
    <PackageReference Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == 'net481'" Include="Microsoft.NETFramework.ReferenceAssemblies" Version="1.0.3" PrivateAssets="All" />
  </ItemGroup>

  <ItemGroup Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == 'net481'">
    <Reference Include="System.Transactions" />
  </ItemGroup>

</Project>```

[restive turret]

???

[late shoal]

?

[icy knoll]

it's not

i build on linux totally fine

just install net10

[restive turret]

https://github.com/KadavasKingdom/LabApiExtensions/blob/main/LabApiExtensions/LabApiExtensions.csproj
Use this and instead of net48 use net472

[old nest]

no one is doing it the same way lmao

[frank mica]

lmao

[restive turret]

Net10 for plugins not supported anyway

[frank mica]

i dont even think net472 works
net48 and below dont have linux versions afaik

[late shoal]

well mine does work on windows and on linux aswell

[restive turret]

Net472 should work and prob net48 too since I personally installed VM with net10 and compiled my plugins

[old nest]

I'm a lazy guy, too much work i'll stay on windows lol

[icy knoll]

yeah it doesn't, but as mentioned, it's packaged in net10

[restive turret]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/blob/master/LabApi.Examples/LogAll/LogPlugin/LogPlugin.csproj
Also you can see the example have this too

[icy knoll]

it's quite literally super simple 😭

[restive turret]

Its literally editing the csproj file and downloading latest dotnet

[old nest]

when people say that I end up breaking everything and spending 4 hours to fix my mess

[restive turret]

If you that much lazy why you writing plugins that need time & brain to write it

[icy knoll]

how tf 😭

it's so simple

[restive turret]

[icy knoll]

windows is more confusing i feel like

[old nest]

Ouch

[old nest]

true, but right now it works so i'd like to keep it that way lmao

[icy knoll]

next update windows will push out malware

[restive turret]

Labapu 2.0 will break those anyway

Or hope so

[old nest]

windows being windows

[restive turret]

Labapu 3.0 when move to net10 (if unity finally update)

[frank mica]

switch to linux

it's nicer here

[icy knoll]

im currently tryna figure out if i wanna switch to a distro that doesnt have anything which has already implemented age verification checks

like systemd

very fun times for me

:3

[old nest]

I do use linux for 90% of my project, I code on windows on a remote linux, but i don't want to push my luck with .net

[frank mica]

i've never heard of any distro having age verification checks

[icy knoll]

systemd does now

[old nest]

isn't that a california thing ?

[frank mica]

systemd moment

[icy knoll]

which is in almost every distro

[icy knoll]

colorado

[old nest]

yeah but it's not everywhere right ?

[frank mica]

arch uses systemctl

you can make arch use systemctl*

endeavoros uses systemctl iirc

[old nest]

i mean is the age verification for every country or only in the US

[frank mica]

i have no idea

[icy knoll]

systemctl manages systemd my guy 😭

[frank mica]

tupid ^

[old nest]

cuz i've heard of it (imagine putting age verification on a open source software 👴) but i didn't see it on any of my OS

[icy knoll]

yeah no OS has it right now

systemd doesnt really force anyone to do anything with the singal

[frank mica]

it seems like old men bickering rather than something that will actually happen

[icy knoll]

but soon enough systemd will require OS' to fill out that signal or systemd will be locked

so, time to get off of systemd before that happens

[old nest]

americans being americans

no offense to any american here

[frank mica]

i hate americans too

(american)

[old nest]

putting age verification on open source software is dogshit

ohhhh i'm green i can use my emojis

[icy knoll]

ikr, that's why i plan on https://artixlinux.org/index.php in future :3

[old nest]

but isn't that gonna break every company using linux servers ? or did i miss something

[icy knoll]

i think it's only during OOBE, but idk

we still dont have full details, just speculation

[upper vapor]

Install .NET 10 (8 or above)

And BOOM

[upper vapor]

Use net48

And don't build for newer .NET

[upper vapor]

Running is one thing, development is different

Oh you were talking about systemd

Yeah I'm

Uh

Xd

[upper vapor]

Ageless Linux

[royal mica]

For some reason net48 worked for a long time

Yesterday it just broke

so i'm figuring this shit out as well rn

Funny thing is, dotnet build works fine

[upper vapor]

Rider moment?

[royal mica]

neovim

[upper vapor]

RootNamespace and AssemblyName are redundant btw

[upper vapor]

Right

[icy knoll]

i already said that silly!

[dark raptor]

Hello

[frank mica]

there's no way it's that simple

[upper vapor]

It is that simple

[royal mica]

Narrator: it was that simple

[upper vapor]

Xddd

[dark raptor]

Anyone reccomend any plugins?

[upper vapor]

#1336031121699377213

[dark raptor]

I'm brand new so your going to have to dumb it down 🤣

[dark raptor]

thanks

[old nest]

already said that

[upper vapor]

Just look around

[upper vapor]

I love arating the babérs

[icy knoll]

there is also https://plugins.scpslgame.com

[upper vapor]

[upper vapor]

Np

[dark raptor]

anyone got any reccomendations for a RP like server?

-# don't judge alright 😭

[restive turret]

[upper vapor]

Garry's Mod

[restive turret]

🗣️

[dark raptor]

😭

[royal mica]

bruh all it take is net48 -> net10.0

i hate this

[dark raptor]

😭?

[royal mica]

plugin development, dw

[late shoal]

why that? whats the difference

[royal mica]

been bashing my head cause dotnet refused to open my plugin env due to "Could not locate MSBuild on this machine" fuck sake

[old nest]

i think i also had this problem when i tried on linux lmao

[upper vapor]

Because you can't load modern .net properly in SL

[royal mica]

For some reaosn it worked 2 days ago

and it just broke

[upper vapor]

And net48 builds on Linux

net481 doesn't

[upper vapor]

Bashing or zshing?

[royal mica]

fishing

[old nest]

well i have net48 and it never worked for me

[upper vapor]

Xd

[late shoal]

is this noticeable ingame?

[upper vapor]

Skill issue

[late shoal]

same for me

[upper vapor]

You will get anywhere from "method not found" to outright memory leaks, or even full crashes

[upper vapor]

What did you install

[royal mica]

error CS0433: The type 'UnscopedRefAttribute' exists in both '
NorthwoodLib, Version=1.4.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null' and 'System.
Runtime, Version=10.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null' [/plugins/MyPlugin.csproj]

okak

[thin shuttle]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/248 @upper vapor do you know why github said that dependabot mentioned LabAPI while it actually mentioned Exiled ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/785689699053600848.webp?size=48&name=kek~2&lossless=true

[upper vapor]

So
If you target net48

[upper vapor]

Internal issue IDs

[icy knoll]

yeah

[upper vapor]

Oh I'm

Uh

[thin shuttle]

from github ?

[upper vapor]

This is

This is new

[icy knoll]

dependabot mentioned the issue

[old nest]

I actually don't remember, I went brute force mod 3 month ago, installing, uninstalling everything on the fucking planet, didn't worked so i gave up and haven't tried again since

[icy knoll]

so github links the issue

we didnt do this

blame ox-ox-ox/KillLogs

it's just a github feature

[thin shuttle]

i see why

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/785689699053600848.webp?size=48&name=kek~2&lossless=true

i found

in it's first PR mention

[upper vapor]

sudo dnf install dotnet-sdk-10.0 worked for me on fedora

Try the dotnet install scripts if it doesn't work with your package manager

[royal mica]

net48 fails to load the Dotnet environment, but it builds.
net10.0 fails to build, but loads the Dotnet environment

I love this

[upper vapor]

Also @royal mica you probably know this
How does one add a path to the PATH properly
Like
Where

[icy knoll]

yay -S dotnet-sdk-bin is the cmd on arch

[late shoal]

never had any problems lmao

[upper vapor]

Have you installed mono-devel?

[restive turret]

i havent installed ot

you know whats fun fact?

[upper vapor]

Just don't use modern .NET for now

[restive turret]

i installed net10 via the bash script

run the project build tru cmd

worked

Console sry

[royal mica]

On linux you have two options:

• Export script in /etc/profile.d which will be global PATH
• Add $PATH export to your ~/.{SHELL}rc (bashrc, zshrc)

[upper vapor]

Profile.d right

[restive turret]

my profile isnt d

[upper vapor]

And make a .sh file like mysussyprogram.sh¿

[restive turret]

amongus.sh

[royal mica]

ye

[restive turret]

finally in 10 hours I can close issues

[upper vapor]

.shhhh!

[upper vapor]

I'll do that before you can get to them

[royal mica]

yep, and no worky

[upper vapor]

Uh

Have you tried

Turning it off and then back on?

[royal mica]

multiple times

[upper vapor]

Create a new user and try with a clean env?

[royal mica]

I'm on NixOS, I always have Clean env

[upper vapor]

Right

[restive turret]

how could you

[upper vapor]

Let's split up the list then

[restive turret]

only the bugs

[upper vapor]

What about the rovars

[restive turret]

not all bugs are rovar, but all rovars are bugs

[upper vapor]

True

Why is this a top emoji

[restive turret]

atleast not a bottom emoji

[upper vapor]

Bruh

Fym "at least"

[royal mica]

bruh this shit assumes Windows automatically if you use net48

what

no wonder it is broken

[upper vapor]

Which shit

[restive turret]

that shit

[royal mica]

EasyDotnet

[upper vapor]

Well

Maybe it's not that easy

[royal mica]

error : Operation is not valid due to the current state of the object. speed agree gif

whatever that means

[upper vapor]

InvalidOperationException

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[restive turret]

what the hell is that

oh neovim stuff

[royal mica]

yeah

[restive turret]

good luck on it tho

have you tried

compiling outside?

[royal mica]

yes this is literally failing on dotnet build

But do you know what is great?

DOTNET CLEAN LITERALLY GAVE ME THE REASON WHY IT FAILED

[restive turret]

the sky?

[royal mica]

NOT DOTNET BUILD

[restive turret]

kek

[upper vapor]

What

😭 😭

[royal mica]

project.assets.json' doesn't have a target for 'net8'. Ensure that restore has run and that you have included 'net8' in the TargetFrameworks for your project.

no fucking what that is

[upper vapor]

Shoe csproj

Show

(Pls code block coz download takes too much time)

[royal mica]

the solution is deleting obj folders

which dotnet clean doesn't do

wtf

[upper vapor]

[restive turret]

yeah

if you switch proj thats somethnig

[royal mica]

error CS0433: The type 'UnscopedRefAttribute' exists in both 'NorthwoodLib, Version=1.4.0.0, Culture=neutral,
 PublicKeyToken=null' and 'System.Runtime, Version=8.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b03f5f7f11d50a3a'

WHAT DOES THIS MEAAAAN

oh great the whole project is bokrne

[upper vapor]

Remove northwoodlib

[upper vapor]

Reference the game assemblies

[royal mica]

Is used

[royal mica]

bruh

[upper vapor]

https://github.com/Axwabo/SecretLabNAudio/blob/processors/Directory.Build.targets

Add this

(Sln root)

And add this

(Csproj or Build.props file works too)

[royal mica]

why tf do you need to reference System

what

[upper vapor]

Also disable implicit framework references

That's why

[upper vapor]

Span (from mscorlib)

So in

Uh

System for

System stuff ig

Try removing it and see

[royal mica]

I do not even have it enabled

WHY IS RIDER ROUNDED

EWWW

[upper vapor]

You're rounded

[upper vapor]

-# It's on by default if you didn't know

[royal mica]

oh rider does not work either

[royal mica]

ok im rare

[upper vapor]

Ummmmmmmmmm

[upper vapor]

I'm legendary

:Nailpolish:

WHY DOESNT THIS EMOJI RENDER

[royal mica]

💅

nail_pare

[upper vapor]

nail_hare

[old nest]

that's exactly why i don't like touching project files

[royal mica]

well im forced cause the whole dotnet is fuckedd

i hate this

[upper vapor]

Well

[royal mica]

you throw jdk8 or jdk21 and it just works, why you cannot be like kotlin 😭

[upper vapor]

Dual boot nother distro

[upper vapor]

Cuz

[royal mica]

literally not a distro problem

[upper vapor]

Then uh

Remove .net

Follow microfost installation

[old nest]

not a java dev 🤓

[royal mica]

HAH

[upper vapor]

J*va != Kotlin

[royal mica]

well, plugins net48 -> net8

[upper vapor]

No

Alternative solution

[royal mica]

yes

[upper vapor]

Compile for .net standard 2.1

[royal mica]

OH THE SERVER IS NOT HAPPY

[upper vapor]

Told you

[old nest]

true but it still uses java dev kit

[upper vapor]

Yeah but like

[old nest]

so i'll say it's java to piss people

[upper vapor]

Nah

[upper vapor]

Don't piss on people

[old nest]

LMAo

[upper vapor]

Hopefully we'll upgrade labapi to use .net standard, which will eliminate the hacky build system procedures

Not just hopefully but probably

At some point

[old nest]

*in 2030

[upper vapor]

[royal mica]

Well conclusion: EasyDotnet is crapped

[upper vapor]

Did you try .net standard?

[odd hazel]

I dont see a on

[royal mica]

Time to open github issue

[upper vapor]

e-on

[old nest]

damn, how are you holding it in ?

[odd hazel]

Im blind

[upper vapor]

They're superhuman

[upper vapor]

What

[old nest]

huh ?

so you're blind and you don't piss ?

[upper vapor]

I'm blind and I hiss

[old nest]

*superpissholder

[odd hazel]

I guess i am now

[pulsar locust]

What am I reading

[old nest]

hello, do you want to hold your piss ?

[upper vapor]

Text

[upper vapor]

Until I get to the toilet, yes

[pulsar locust]

I'm just gonna go back to figuring out openid 2.0

A standard so shit even the organisation making it abandoned it in favor of oauth2

but the only way to do non partner web sign in on steam is using openid

cause they do have oauth2, it's just partner only

[subtle ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-weird-crazy-staring-stare-gif-13885049503362577865

[upper vapor]

Xdd

I can hear the three vineboom sound effects

[subtle ravine]

Axx

[upper vapor]

Alexx

[subtle ravine]

@autumn jolt go ask this guy

[upper vapor]

What

[subtle ravine]

He had some labapi/security plugin question but I guess not anymore

[autumn jolt]

After school 😢

[subtle ravine]

Chicken Butt

[royal mica]

@upper vapor thanks for the help btw, for now I opened a github disc on EasyDotnet for net48.

it just tried to load VisualStudio on linux 😭

[languid temple]

you and security always seem to find each other

[upper vapor]

XDDDD

[upper vapor]

Np

[subtle ravine]

Hey..... We don't talk about it

[restive turret]

lmao

[upper vapor]

I've read this again, and I'm baffled by the sheer stupidity of the text above

Um

[royal mica]

?

https://github.com/GustavEikaas/easy-dotnet.nvim

[terse bone]

😭

now i have to make an alias for labapi Round class

[thin shuttle]

what is this related too ?

i used Early-Access

and can't auth

[terse bone]

check with F3 if it downloaded correct game version, maybe it downloaded older release

[old nest]

Am I the only one without problems on the early access ?

[old nest]

should still work even with old version though

[thin shuttle]

wrong version

so how do i fix it ?

[old nest]

ok nvm lmao

[old nest]

a lot of people are having this issue

there is no real fix, maybe empty cache or idk but a lot of people are struggling with that

[terse bone]

idk, i have the same issue

[thin shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/785689699053600848.webp?size=48&name=kek~2&lossless=true

i am pretty sure command can fix it

but bruh

[terse bone]

last time i believe they pushed the build onto 2 different branches

[thin shuttle]

there was one time where SCP:SL disapear from game list

[terse bone]

and it worked

[thin shuttle]

and i contact steam support

they said me contact Game manager

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/785689699053600848.webp?size=48&name=kek~2&lossless=true

[terse bone]

lmao

[thin shuttle]

ok lol

i am talking here without connection

nice fun

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/872170439491850370.webp?size=48&name=trol&lossless=true

[old nest]

💔

[restive turret]

try using DepotDownloader

[upper vapor]

What

Since when

[terse bone]

14.2.6

this was added ig

[restive turret]

ah yes

bc needed ofr funny internal stuff

@thin shuttle
You migth wanna add this to exiled
https://github.com/KadavasKingdom/SLFixes/blob/main/SLFixes/Patches/RoomUtils_TryRaycastRoom.cs

It fixes my stuff so should be good to have wide fix for exiled

[thin shuttle]

what does it fix ?

i never got issue

on TryGetRoom

[restive turret]

mainly primitives

and items spawned in/ on primitives

[upper vapor]

Programmers try to come up with a namespace that doesn't clash with a labapi wrapper challenge (impossible)

[thin shuttle]

don't you guys have communication ?

who made the Cassie namespace

[upper vapor]

Yeah well we don't have the time to look at every single PR
So this stuff mostly only gets caught when we release the build and people complain

[late shoal]

well dont accept the pr then

[restive turret]

it actually impossible

[upper vapor]

We're not the ones accepting the PRs tho

(Internally)

[restive turret]

so what should we rename the Round to?

[upper vapor]

No

I'm not letting this happen again

[restive turret]

[upper vapor]

We have to change the namespace

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-tweaking-tweak-freaking-out-freak-out-gif-15844619383535388547

[late shoal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1176964755869683712/1196855765806354432/togif-8.gif

btw changed all plugins to net48

because of you

[upper vapor]

[late shoal]

had to change my git actions also but anyways

[terse bone]

so I shall complain more

[upper vapor]

No clue how nobody reported this btw

[restive turret]

we didnt used Round thing

[terse bone]

maybe others used RoundSummary or something idk

[upper vapor]

or, everyone is lazy

[hearty shard]

what am i looking at

what is bro doing

[restive turret]

Patch

[hearty shard]

did you

bug out the feature

cant believe it

[restive turret]

I got a bug from our plugin so

[hearty shard]

so you replace return true with a null check and then return that value?

[restive turret]

Ye

Fixed our issues with that

[hearty shard]

whys the component null in a tryget 😭

[restive turret]

No the OriginalRoom one would be

[hearty shard]

oh

[restive turret]

I might added an unnecessary null check for the second one

(the real tryget one

[hearty shard]

OriginalRoom in IRoomObject / ElevatorChamber is null?

[restive turret]

Can be

[hearty shard]

thats the issue?

okay

[restive turret]

Thats why i got this issue

[hearty shard]

nw moment

[soft turtle]

Why does this error occur?

[hearty shard]

r u doing anything with the host

[restive turret]

Spawned a primitve at 0,6000,0 and spawned a keycard on it, now since the primitive doesnt set a valid room it goes to hull, and the trygetroom one returns null

[hearty shard]

guh?

[restive turret]

Yup

It doesnt check if the actual returned OriginalRoom is null

[static meteor]

If your using Player.List switch to Player.ReadyList

[restive turret]

Someone forgot how nullable works

[hearty shard]

oh you meant the bug we were talking about not the one just posted

[restive turret]

No

[hearty shard]

or

guh?

[upper vapor]

crazy stack trace

[restive turret]

I'm on phone can't see that thing

[soft turtle]

This error appears when there are 30+ players on the server

[hearty shard]

ok but are you doing anything with host hub

[upper vapor]

ok but did you check the stack trace

[hearty shard]

i always assume host hub

and they never answered me xd

[soft turtle]

Yes, I don't understand what exactly is causing this error

[restive turret]

is it live or early?

[strong lagoon]

Test

[soft depot]

I thought you were joking but that stack trace legit made me laugh out loud 😭

[tulip kiln]

I'll have personal beef with whoever changed Scp1509RespawnEligibility to static

[restive turret]

it was me

there was zero reason to be non static tho

[soft depot]

!killSlejmurIRL

[soft depot]

custom 1509's?

[tulip kiln]

[restive turret]

there is a wrapper and tons of code around it to be changed

[grand flower]

try catch in game code rip

[restive turret]

thats not a gamecode

[grand flower]

it's a game

doesn't mean it's NW's code

[restive turret]

its a plugin code

[grand flower]

cool

it's still in a game

should just check for validity of the objects before accessing stuff

[tulip kiln]

I could check spectator conditions for each 1509 individually