well because they are stripped from server build
#plugins-dev-chat
hearty shard
fair
restive turret
I love The referenced script on this Behaviour (Game Object '') is missing!
restive turret
just strip every code that related to server, getting rid of cst now!!!
hearty shard
lmao
unique crane
I hope you realise thats not per frame xd
true quest
with ~40 dummies on random classes - one imagine with/without the patches
unique crane
I love you too Zero
sweet flax
Are you using some program or plugin?
unique crane
Im telling you
the hotspot is the relative position ctor
Well
sort them by self time
not calls
wheat flower
put 100 players in the same room all alive
while moving
then tell me how your "optimization" goes
true quest
DIAUHUYGDAUGYDAYUGDGYA
wheat flower
what was tps before
unique crane
I think your profiler is kinda sketchy
true quest
@wheat flower
unique crane
why is loadRoles getting called multiple time
cause this isnt possible xd
wheat flower
oh i see
restive turret
cause this isnt possible xd
ye I see getting AllRoles call but
wheat flower
can we all work together to make a 100 player event
unique crane
i think you have different unit there
wheat flower
(would be peak)
restive turret
IsLoaded set after LoadRoles
unique crane
than calls
wheat flower
we've done it on skillz a few times
hearty shard
has Lars been unbanned yet or nah?
what
wheat flower
"the incident"
restive turret
can we all work together to make a 100 player event
15.0 patreon play with 255 player lobby
wheat flower
"Checking on this, will follow up as soon as we have more info" - Youtube
17 days ago lmao
sweet flax
I think your profiler is kinda sketchy
Give us an official one
wheat flower
π
restive turret
ofc
wheat flower
restive turret
who even using cedmod on testing servers
krill issue 
I had to disable it cus it spammed my console
while i was making rebuilds and plugin tests
wheat flower
what im wondering is how exactly you getting 300tps with 40 players at all
unique crane
TPS is just server FPS
wheat flower
upper vapor
who wrote this
obtuse spruce
client has a ratelimit on the Fpc Distribution ? i mean the actual system cap at 60/s but if i override it what happen ?
So the client will limit it to 60/s too ?
upper vapor
mega troll
true quest
client FPS
obtuse spruce
Btw is that normal that the synced bool "HideForPlayerList" on ServerRoles didnt work on player ? why it was only for dummy
upper vapor
yeah it's for dummies only
hearty shard
Btw is that normal that the synced bool "HideForPlayerList" on ServerRoles didnt...
feature
upper vapor
unique crane
No idea
true quest
sharp hedge
is there a reason why a large amount of primitives can tank your frames?
upper vapor
use the culling parent
sharp hedge
and what might this be
sharp hedge
i see
balmy bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1429758226567790612/1466503011408023665/2025-10-03_230716.gif
!pinghubert
fuck...
upper vapor
and what might this be
sharp hedge
oh
dont primitives already do this? my frames drop more if i look at the whole map or a detailed part of it, and it gets better if i look away
unique crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1429758226567790612/1466503011408023665/2...
Termination notice
sharp hedge
the whole map in question is 3 rooms in 1
unique crane
the whole map in question is 3 rooms in 1
Split them into chunks and parent them to the culling parent
With bounds assigned
this will help
sharp hedge
alright thanks
icy knoll
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1429758226567790612/1466503011408023665/2...
why does bro have a dm from sapphire
balmy bay
why does bro have a dm from sapphire
idk
rain isle
true quest
fork slop sl
restive turret
spoiler: it wasnt smart
thin shuttle
Me accidentally clicking "Restart Round" instead of "Round Lock" in RA
could you suggest to dev team to add an other confirmation button on it ?
that honnestly happen too often
bru
why
or dm
unique crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/582277502576361487/1373667759426244730/to...
Bruh
hearty shard
ahbahaha
restive turret
ok P99 issue creator
thin shuttle
that only required one dev to click the matrix collision
hearty shard
ok its P98
restive turret
ragdolls are mostly client sided to seen
thin shuttle
ragdolls are mostly client sided to seen
yeah ?
restive turret
especially flying over objects and shit
thin shuttle
they could still not going through door
restive turret
or smth, you can ask server where the body should be
hearty shard
sadge
upper vapor
upper vapor
@serene vine
restive turret
@idle depot
restive turret
another one
hearty shard
double the trouble
upper vapor
blud's whole family got hacked
okay but genuinely
how smartn't does one have to be to fall for these scams
like
it takes so much effort to conceive what's on the pictures and what to do
languid temple
@celest thorn Filters are there for a reason, please do not bypass them x)
hearty shard
what
thin shuttle
<@642642727237845041> Filters are there for a reason, please do not bypass them ...
we got confused (and him self too)
languid temple
You got automodded once today so it shouldn't be that hard to figure out
vast canopy
Rat police
unique crane
Does anyone have the rotating waypoint cube gif with all the dead bodies?
unique crane
thank you
thin shuttle
SL gameobject name
sweet flax
is there a reason why item.Base.ThirdpersonModel._tr == null?
soft depot
Does anyone have the rotating waypoint cube gif with all the dead bodies?
I would never expect to hear that request from you π
Glad my gif (that Yamato and Ms contributed to) is that funny lol
sweet flax
is there a reason why `item.Base.ThirdpersonModel._tr == null`?
and im trying to get the global pos of the players current item model
unique crane
I would never expect to hear that request from you π
Glad my gif (that Yamato...
Someone asked me what does waypoint toy do and I quickly needed some visual example
XDDDDD
thin shuttle
Someone asked me what does waypoint toy do and I quickly needed some visual exam...
ahhahah
soft depot
Someone asked me what does waypoint toy do and I quickly needed some visual exam...
Imagine if we got that gif as an animated emoji 
cyan crown
static meteor
is there a reason why `item.Base.ThirdpersonModel._tr == null`?
Known bug its been report it the gitlab issues iirc
sweet flax
can you send the issue on gitlab?
restive turret
man
also prob the item hasnt been initalized?
no 3rd person made since not holding?
sweet flax
Wdym?
restive turret
no i not going into that rabbithole again
sweet flax
public bool Execute(ArraySegment<string> arguments, ICommandSender sender, [UnscopedRef] out string response)
{
Player player = Player.Get(sender)!;
Item? item = player.CurrentItem;
if (item == null)
{
response = "Nothing selected";
return false;
}
response = item.Base.ThirdpersonModel._tr.position.ToString();
return true;
}
ok go where that shit initialized
and go tru million of stuff to find what the actual issue
go tru
PoolManager.singleton._poolLookup
sweet flax
funny thing that its working when using fade effect it changes its scale
restive turret
and find if the prefab exists there
also its never getting set
so
InventorySubcontroller.OnSwapThirdpersonItem
or _lastThirdpersonInstance
same class
thin shuttle
@unique crane why deadPit in HczArmory is LayerMask.Water ?
why frame door (the one with keycard or the one for Elevator) is Layer.CCTV ?
unique crane
Dunno
thin shuttle
Warhead Button :3
tulip kiln
so meshy
static meteor
Might have been experimenting with more water rooms during development of 14.0
sweet flax
or _lastThirdpersonInstance
i had to change to this its working thanks
tranquil river
was there ever a text summary of the lap api display kit announcement, I can't seem to find one
tranquil river
ah nice
grand flower
I still have to watch it
restive turret
tranquil river
thank you
mild ice
was there ever a text summary of the lap api display kit announcement, I can't s...
What was accomplished in 2025
In 2025 alone, we:
- Made our first public release of the LabAPI, as well as consistently updating throughout the year.
- Expanded our modding capabilities by:
- Implemented highly-requested features such as customizable server-side keycards, and the removal of the Hints' ratelimit.
- The ability to interact with the players' sizes, rotation, gravity, jumping mechanics, and so on.
- New spawnable admin toys, such as Interactables, Waypoints, Cameras, Culling Parents, and, as you can probably guess, our magnum opus: Capybara Toys.
- We've also incorporated procedures for releasing both client and server builds during more beta deployments.
Polaris Updates
- Polaris no longer utilizes webhooks for feedback on user reports.
- When reporting a player via the main SCP:SL Discord server, the reporter will now receive report feedback in their DMs from the bot.
- The Polaris bot can now accept multiple reports on one player, so you will no longer receive "The user you are trying to report has been already reported.β
Display Kit
Display Kit is a new Modded UI Framework coming in 15.0
What is this solving?
Modders currently resort to hijacking systems like the in-game hint and broadcast functionality to simulate persistent UI elements. These workarounds have several significant drawbacks:
- Inconsistent UI behavior across mods.
- Flickering or overriding messages due to plugin conflicts.
- Abuse potential, including permanent hints which end up overriding vanilla hints.
- Poor scalability and lack of modularity.
- Squeezing the absolute limits out of TextMeshPro in order to display a single string as multiple UI components.
- Wasting system resources for both server and client with often large string concatenations and GC times.
- Plugins are limited by the string size limit you can send over the network. Limiting the visual quality they could have.
Is DisplayKit replacing Hints?
This will not immediately replace Hints. However, DisplayKit allows for a lot more control than the current Hints system is able to, so we may eventually retire it.
When can I access it?
We will be providing more information on when you will have the opportunity to access this over the upcoming months as we continue development of 15.0, so keep an eye on announcements!
Buttons? Clickable Elements?
Clickable UI is not something we are planning on shipping for DisplayKit's initial release as we'd like to review the impact of the new displayable elements first, and ensure DisplayKit's initial features are as polished as they can be.
With such a huge creative tool, it is very difficult to test every possible use-case, as well as understanding what limits you'd like us to explore.
We'll be taking an extra close look at feedback on this once you've gotten your hands on it.
tranquil river
ah ty
topaz yacht
## What was accomplished in 2025
In 2025 alone, we:
- Made our first public rele...
If we ever get clickable buttons I hope someone makes chess in sl
grand flower
## What was accomplished in 2025
In 2025 alone, we:
- Made our first public rele...
Will it support images?
serene vine
<@297264127888457729>
Sorry, I fixed my sleep schedule now so I wont be up like I used to :(
ashen hound
images β οΈ
soft depot
If we ever get clickable buttons I hope someone makes chess in sl
I know a guy who made it 3D with the interactable toys π£οΈ π₯
soft depot
Will it support images?
Not officially from what I know (but you can always use colored text squares )
grand flower
rip
soft depot
BRO WHAT IS THIS 
grand flower
lmfao
thin shuttle
Will look if the water room have water tag
true cedar
## What was accomplished in 2025
In 2025 alone, we:
- Made our first public rele...
"squeezing the absolute limits out of textmeshpro in order to display a single string as multiple ui components"
gulp
sinful bronze
## What was accomplished in 2025
In 2025 alone, we:
- Made our first public rele...
Thanks LucidGPT
restive turret
BRO WHAT IS THIS <:MorganWhat:1153156684043276338>
Better than my resurrrect typo
thin shuttle
i am finding funny name
i am curious of what these out of map box collider are needed for ?
these box have the layer of camera CCTV
these too
the funniest is none of the Camera
have the CCTV layer
(on surface)
uhm
okay no may be good for camera
because the collider under it have the CCTV layer
the blue one CCTV layer
but purple are Default layer
lucid canyon
i hope ntf unit name font
thin shuttle
i am curious of what these out of map box collider are needed for ?
This is where helicopter is
And I don't get why they need collider near helicopter
upper vapor
when
restive turret
Hi
upper vapor
you just haaaad to use HEVC so i couldn't play this video
soft turtle
Does anyone know what causes this error?
grand flower
You sent a message to the dedicated server player
soft turtle
You sent a message to the dedicated server player
PlayerRoles.RoleAssign.RoleAssigner
grand flower
You're probably doing something wrong
upper vapor
maybe you created a dummy right before round start?
soft turtle
maybe you created a dummy right before round start?
No, I don't have bots on my server
unique crane
Does anyone know what causes this error?
SpawnScps_Patch1
soft turtle
SpawnScps_Patch1
This patch does not affect the player list
soft turtle
SpawnScps_Patch1
restive turret
well choosenplayer could contain server
upper vapor
well choosenplayer could contain server
epic
soft turtle
well choosenplayer could contain server
PlayerRoles.RoleAssign.ScpPlayerPicker.ChoosePlayers
Real?
restive turret
ye
restive turret
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
soft turtle
snow pulsar
I remember going through that on a surface model, huge boxes and weird things that are invisible.
icy knoll
@serene vine you know who it is
serene vine
!softban 1232875408152723527 compromised account, change your password
icy knoll
thank you discord for marking it as spam, the only time that's ever happened
regal lakeBOT
Done. Enough chaos.
icy knoll
still a shitty platform but ye
slow grotto
celest thorn
@soft depot
soft depot
Why is it so distorted π
celest thorn
your biggest op
soft depot
Well my version is clearly better
celest thorn
Well my version is clearly better <:Trolley:1138163682057146559>
i said that to him
upper vapor
Serious Ear Warning
"you've doomed us all!"
celest thorn
"you've doomed us all!"
upper vapor
*mario jump sound effect*
slow grotto
Spend years pouring your heart and soul into a plugin.
Write a plugin in an afternoon
pulsar locust
slow grotto
slate flume
Bro why do you have this patch
soft turtle
Bro why do you have this patch
For some reason, when there are 60 players online, several identical SCPs spawn
hearty shard
For some reason, when there are 60 players online, several identical SCPs spawn
yea
it does that
slate flume
For some reason, when there are 60 players online, several identical SCPs spawn
Correct me if I'm wrong but does that not make sense?
With player counts that high you're going to run out of valid spawnable SCPs with the spawn logic and it'll spawn extras
slate flume
If you're preventing the game from doing that then you're probably causing issues which is why your patch is erroring
restive turret
@sweet flax @slate flume I potentially have a fix for this issue now
slate flume
<@683009525841657864> <@434572461011501067> I potentially have a fix for this is...
Yo?
soft turtle
If you're preventing the game from doing that then you're probably causing issue...
I tried to remove the patch, but the error still appears
slate flume
I tried to remove the patch, but the error still appears
What is the error you get when the patch is removed
slate flume
I meant i fixed it, was dirty how i did it but works
Yeah I know I'm just curious about how you did it and what the problem was
soft turtle
What is the error you get when the patch is removed
I'm in the forest right now. I'll send it as soon as I get home
slate flume
Sick
restive turret
Yeah I know I'm just curious about how you did it and what the problem was
Removed wasEverSetup and moved set after if
Idk why it didn't worked when i tried that time
icy knoll
use StringBuilderPool for string builders fyi
hearty shard
btw @soft turtle if you want to disable that behaviour
allow_scp_overflow is a config part
slate flume
^ W eve
slate flume
Removed wasEverSetup and moved set after if
Saving this
hearty shard
restive turret
Also you can patch something that has a switch case and return false when is a host
soft turtle
allow_scp_overflow is a config part
Thx
sweet flax
I meant i fixed it, was dirty how i did it but works
Nice
Can you send the fix so i could test it? Or is it very private nw property
sacred sierra
I don't feel sick. It's quiet and nice here
are you joking or you dont know that sick also means "cool" or smth close to that
celest thorn
Haii chat
unique crane
how you doing :3
good :3
static meteor
Got a working prototype now
celest thorn
Got a working prototype now
hm
static meteor
Got a working prototype now
thin shuttle
ποΈποΈ
did you guys know first release of official NWAPI framework was a copy of Exiled
and i would have love Exiled just being official
thin shuttle
instead of remaking a framework from grounf everytime
:3
@grand flower i can show you
what could be done to be able to move room
grand flower
They're map generated, unless they network the rooms you wouldn't be able to
thin shuttle
They're map generated, unless they network the rooms you wouldn't be able to
you see FlickerableLightController ?
if you do the room like this
you would be able to move everything
that why we actually can move Lcz330 and HczTestRoom
but they arent done very correctly so a lot of asset are not getting moved like effect and some light
grand flower
I'm not saying it's impossible it's just not setup this way right now heh
harsh thorn
but they arent done very correctly so a lot of asset are not getting moved like ...
(its more that you are doing something that it wasnt intended for)
thin shuttle
that why my suggestion is a Task ?
thin shuttle
(its more that you are doing something that it wasnt intended for)
i know but it's still nice to do
and doesn't have any security concern
and give people possibility to add more Custom Room
also this cost nothing for performance
to get changed
harsh thorn
depends
you cant have nested netids inside some circumstances
so in certain rooms stuff may need to be changed to account for that
though iirc that might only be if network spawned, mirror doesnt like it
and it costs someones time to actually do so, so it depends on what programming/api management decides that team members need to do
thin shuttle
yeah
i do get the part that it's get time
to modify heirarchie
on all ROOM and even more complicated for Conflict change between different people
i just make a Task request
for it to be considered
thin shuttle
you cant have nested netids inside some circumstances
also what the things about nested netids ?
harsh thorn
also what the things about nested netids ?
mirror does not support nested networkidentities
thin shuttle
what nested means
harsh thorn
an object inside of an object which both have a netid
thin shuttle
but Lcz330 have that ?
harsh thorn
"some circumstances"
room
-> some object (has netid)
-> another object (also has netid)
thin shuttle
ok
harsh thorn
i believe it may work when the object is spawned manually, and has the ids assigned by our code, which is what mapgen does
but mirror still doesnt support it, so it can break at any time when we update mirror, which would be a fun problem when that occurs
grand flower
could just let us script mapgen
harsh thorn
thatd be something beryl/dev management would need to decide on
thin shuttle
that would be cool but i never expect that being a possibility to NW
harsh thorn
well, adding/moving netids to every room would have the same effect 
but with less effort
thin shuttle
not same effect
as it's woudln't be able to spawn more Room
also required less work yeah
celest thorn
server side generation 
harsh thorn
well, the server does generate the map
celest thorn
obv
harsh thorn
but its serialized as a seed and given to the client
celest thorn
SeedMessage
harsh thorn
cuz thats like a lot less heavier on the game/network
grand flower
I feel like SL's maps would be lightweight enough to network
harsh thorn
though if rooms are actually network spawned the whole "cant have nested netids" starts being a problem
grand flower
Always have been
thin shuttle
grand flower
though if rooms are actually network spawned the whole "cant have nested netids"...
Don't have to have netids
Just send the data to the client so they spawn them on their side
name, room type, transform should be enough
- room connections I suppose
thin shuttle
.
harsh thorn
iirc room connections are handled differently
technically just sending the rooms identifier that matches whats on the server (it does this rn already anyway), position, rotation + prefabid could work
harsh thorn
but if that (or the netid shenanigans) were to happen is up to beryl + the other higher managers in development
grand flower
It's how I'm doing it (in theory) for mine. Just the data clients need, sent to them before they connect to the server in my case though.
thin shuttle
iirc room connections are handled differently
technically just sending the rooms...
yeah it's funny to modifed these :3
grand flower
Should be pretty easy to compress and send
thin shuttle
honnestly it's fine for me
unique crane
It would be probably easier to just send you something like custom layout
Regarding custom maps
harsh thorn
it might fit into a single netmessage (the list of rooms)
unique crane
It absolutely would
thin shuttle
how would you send custom layout ?
grand flower
You wouldn't want to do that though
harsh thorn
custom map layout sounds weird, cuz the layout is a bitmap
harsh thorn
youd need to transmit a bitmap over the network to the clients
grand flower
I guess it would need reworking how SL does map gen fully heh
harsh thorn
atp the easiest solution is just sending the list of rooms in a equivelant of the seedmessage (eg server gens, then sends that list)
but that is just an idea
grand flower
My plan is to just expose map gen to scripts, that way I can just write some default map generation logic and let modders modify it as much as they want
And then the game will just run that, package the data, send it to clients that want to connect
harsh thorn
vector3, quaternion, prefabid
grand flower
yeah that's the minimum
unique crane
No we dont talk about the line
celest thorn
the worm
thin shuttle
Best Layout SL ever done
grand flower
In my case I plan to let modders add their own rooms so I can't send a simple id, it'll be a path to the room asset
thin shuttle
harsh thorn
that would complicate things yes
grand flower
But I'll have a package map at the start of the data to map asset paths to a unique int id
That way if a room is placed multiple times I don't have a huge asset path every time heh
thin shuttle
No we dont talk about the line
imagine the Line but longer with more Tesla and Scp079Containment Chamber at the end of it
grand flower
Then I'll chunk the data, slice it more and spam the slices through unreliable messages until the client acks them all
restive turret
Since more reasonable it would be a grid it can be sent easily what would be
"we have this layout plz place as:"
zoneId, (roomid, gridid)
Or smth
Would be easier the most I guess
grand flower
less flexible though
restive turret
Wdym
SL is already gened as grid but isnt actually use this system for some reason
restive turret
Tbh the other idea would be giving all room netid properly and movable transform but prob baked light or light stuff would be some issues with it ig
Grid system stays but it just spawn the room anyway
Oh wait when you join you will get million "yo spawn this obj here"
And ofc parenting doesnt work as should be
Since spawning even with parent on something doesnt transfer it's parent to client
Because why would you do that anyway mirror
grand flower
That's why I don't make my rooms replicate for my project
Instead I'll just package the map into a compressed format and send it to clients before they connect
better
restive turret
You still spawning them on your server, having networked shit no?
grand flower
Yes, they'll still exist on the server, but they won't be spawned by networking for clients
restive turret
Client still receive the "netobject live here"
grand flower
Yes and no
I'm gonna force the engine to hallucinate thinking the map data received by clients and spawned locally has always been there
So networking stuff within rooms for example will "just work"
restive turret
I heard this just works many times
grand flower
Bit complex and I have to force the engine to do something it generally doesn't like, but it'll work
restive turret
By todd howard and nvidia
grand flower
I'm pretty much gonna trick the engine into thinking the rooms were loaded from a map asset
that way they're stable and as long as the name on the client & server matches, the engine doesn't care
restive turret
Tbh I still dont understand why would I send the transform there
grand flower
The bonus is that rooms won't be destroyed if they're network irrelevant
They'll just stop networking data and I can just stop them from rendering
grand flower
Tbh I still dont understand why would I send the transform there
It's just me being modder friendly, if SL uses a grid system that works for you, yeah just do that
restive turret
I get the position but what else would you need other than position and rotation, you really wanna scale?
I mean I honestly dont care if I send 1 byte or somehow compress 3x3 float
Nvm -1 float since the y should be determined by grid anyway
grand flower
I wouldn't overthink it bandwidth wise
You have other ways to compress the data
Scale I suppose isn't super useful but again, I don't wanna stop modders from being creative if they want to heh
restive turret
It's just me being modder friendly, if SL uses a grid system that works for you,...
No I meant I genuinely want to hear what people would do if I send like
(RoomId, Transform)?
grand flower
that's fine IMO
restive turret
Tbh I will create some prototype on my sl clone, if you wanna see will send and tag you
Obv it will just spawn cubes rn
grand flower
sure
I'll show mine when it's ready 
Kinda slowed down by my PC dying and lots of trips this month
slate flume
Is there someone in S&C I can bribe to get my shit taken care of
Call it "strategic diplomacy" or something
I'm not above making ethically ambiguous moves
upper vapor
also this cost nothing for performance
What about the culling system?
upper vapor
Best Layout SL ever done
^^^^
celest thorn
Haiii
upper vapor
No I meant I genuinely want to hear what people would do if I send like
(RoomId,...
That means we have to add a RoomType enum 
celest thorn
That means we have to add a RoomType enum <:SteamHappy:1157333712950800497>
(Finally)
upper vapor
After all these years
celest thorn
Idk nw and RoomType is like a disease
NwApi didnβt have it
Labapi doesnβt either
spare zodiac
Idk nw and RoomType is like a disease
RoomName is so W trust
celest thorn
RoomName is so W trust
90% unknown except like a few
sharp hedge
what makes hcz testroom and lcz candy room the only removable rooms?
sharp hedge
oh
slow grotto
@celest thorn From earlier discussion on making nav meshes in heavy.
celest thorn
<@642642727237845041> From earlier discussion on making nav meshes in heavy.
So you raycast?
slow grotto
So you raycast?
Nah that was getting crazy to maintain
celest thorn
Nah that was getting crazy to maintain
So what did you do at the end?
restive turret
In the end I rest
celest thorn
In the end I rest
Gn
slow grotto
So what did you do at the end?
Using the base game meshes. Auto-building on map generation. Since they aren't on the CPU and there's no GPU on a headless build the only place to get them from was disk... And it worked.
celest thorn
Using the base game meshes. Auto-building on map generation. Since they aren't o...
So you baked them and then imported them?
slow grotto
So you baked them and then imported them?
That's probably the sane way to do it... I'm taking the raw mesh asset off disk and replacing the Mesh on the colliders in the rooms. Then building navmesh.
celest thorn
Bro is writing a porm
celest thorn
That's probably the sane way to do it... I'm taking the raw mesh asset off disk ...
Thats smart
slow grotto
mf's and their unreadable meshes
It's A way of doing it, works, but now I have all the meshes loaded on CPU
To be optimized, until then my RAM was looking a little lonely
celest thorn
you know what
im gonna spend time on the vc for hangout lol
i just bought an SSD 2Tb (I REALLY needed it)
grand flower
That means we have to add a RoomType enum <:SteamHappy:1157333712950800497>
Don't you already have one?
Also you'd just have a prefab id
so shove it in a dictionary or something
upper vapor
Don't you already have one?
Nope
We have RoomName
There are a lot of rooms that are just Unknown
upper vapor
Ye that's one way to do it
grand flower
I personally will just use the asset path cause why not, or a primary asset id actually
probs better now that I think about it
the asset manager can find the path for me
upper vapor
Asset path as key 
grand flower
Probs gonna go with an asset id
the asset manager can just find the path for it that way
thin shuttle
What about the culling system?
Nothing changed the room het culled ?
upper vapor
I mean if you move the culling bounds too, then yeah
thin shuttle
You don't move the culligns bounds ? In base game
And peformance cost if room get moved it's a plugin dev problem
Since they arrent intended to be moved
thin shuttle
That means we have to add a RoomType enum <:SteamHappy:1157333712950800497>
Wait just modify RoomName ?? Why add an other enum
That would just be simpler
A lot of stuff in the game use RoomName and it's would be good to have them containing data of the room of where they are instead of unknown
celest thorn
A lot of stuff in the game use RoomName and it's would be good to have them cont...
NW
when you don't know the answer neither they will give it to you
its like a dogma
it was made like this
thin shuttle
That just create a duplicate enum with one being useless
celest thorn
so lets keep it like that
celest thorn
That just create a duplicate enum with one being useless
π€·ββοΈ
thin shuttle
If there no big reason
grand flower
I guess if they ever decided to make moddable maps they could just have a dictionary of RoomName to prefab
if they update it fully
grand flower
maybe one day
restive turret
I guess if they ever decided to make moddable maps they could just have a dictio...
Tbh many stuff are in my to-do list but have to discuss with David, beryl and upper management
This probably one but that would be way beyond this or next year i guess
grand flower
This probably one but that would be way beyond this or next year i guess
I'll have mine done by then 
upper vapor
Wait just modify RoomName ?? Why add an other enum
Then everyone will have to check their code
grand flower
I wanna make an in-game level editor for mine too
That lets you upload to the Steam Workshop
Or just save to a file
thin shuttle
Make a poll and see people would prefer RoomName containing all instead of surcharging with a new enum
thin shuttle
Okay so when nw add a room i will create a new RoomType everytime
upper vapor
Make a poll and see people would prefer RoomName containing all instead of surch...
:(
upper vapor
Make a poll and see people would prefer RoomName containing all instead of surch...
The advantage of the new enum is that we'll be forced to update all our code bc it won't compile
It's probably not a priority though but I can ask
thin shuttle
No the best is to Use RoomName ??
upper vapor
No the best is to Use RoomName ??
And deal with bugs bc someone forgot to update a file?
thin shuttle
You already have everything nothing will be different
thin shuttle
And deal with bugs bc someone forgot to update a file?
There would be no problem ?
I don't get your position on that
Unknown annoyed everyone
grand flower
What kind of bugs are we talking about
upper vapor
- someone forgets to check a room in the editor
- game code that relies on RoomName might need to be updated
- we can simplify some stuff
grand flower
- your problem
- your problem
- how?
upper vapor
Like room name and shape combinations can be refactored to use RoomType
upper vapor
1. your problem
2. your problem
3. how?
1 & 2. Exactly what we want to avoid π
We don't want bugs in the base game
grand flower
Should've just set room names for all rooms in the first place
upper vapor
Should've just set room names for all rooms in the first place
Yeah that's true
grand flower
I wish modding was a first class citizen in SL
thin shuttle
- Easy fix just verify if there any RoomName.Unknown return warn
- There nothing using RoomName that would make a problem as i did seen
- No you overcomplicate it by adding an other enum on top of an already exist enum
upper vapor
"Return warn" huh
upper vapor
True
thin shuttle
And honestly i have seen the code for MapGeneration it's wouldn't cause problem as Unknown is never used as functionality
upper vapor
Okay yeah it does make more sense to update RoomName instead
thin shuttle
Thanks β€οΈ
thin shuttle
Missing destroy ?
restive turret
or it could mean destroy if not server
thin shuttle
Idk
celest thorn
or it could mean destroy if not server
probably
restive turret
i love unity error
restive turret
@celest thorn do u remember the allternative for raycastroom
celest thorn
<@642642727237845041> do u remember the allternative for raycastroom
We were thinking about making it with math
because it is a grid system
restive turret
thats what the PositionToCoords do already
upper vapor
You just need to incorporate larger rooms somehow
grand flower
Have rooms specify how many cells they occupy
upper vapor
That works too
restive turret
ye it has Bounds but that just nyeh
soft turtle
How to spawn doors?
soft turtle
same as other stuff?
It's so inconvenient π
restive turret
ye it has Bounds but that just nyeh
thin shuttle
ye it has Bounds but that just nyeh
bounds would not for work for Hcz049173 and HczNuke
or you need to make them less priority
restive turret
is there a command to check where am i
thin shuttle
same for Lcz173
thin shuttle
is there a command to check where am i
request your data
restive turret
π
thin shuttle
It's so inconvenient π
if you use exiled there is a PrefabHelper
or you can use that PrefabHelper for your code
restive turret
request your data
does it tell you what room are you in?
thin shuttle
does it tell you what room are you in?
oh nope
restive turret
im gonna do several crimes
thin shuttle
you can use the LightBulb
and see where light goes out
or register to ChangingRoomEvent and send Broadcast or Hint
restive turret
or just sent to qa to ensure it works
upper vapor
im gonna do several crimes
You mean lines of code?
restive turret
Several πβπ©πβπ©πβπ©
upper vapor
Bruh
soft turtle
Why door wont spawn?
GameObject doorPrefub = Object.Instantiate(NetworkClient.prefabs.Where(x => x.Value.name.Contains("HCZ BreakableDoor")).FirstOrDefault().Value, _schematicObject.transform);
doorPrefub.transform.localScale = Vector3.one;
doorPrefub.transform.localPosition = doorLocalPos;
NetworkServer.Spawn(doorPrefub);
prefub
restive turret
AssetId for the EZ breakable door: 1883254029
soft turtle
AssetId for the EZ breakable door: 1883254029
I'm trying to find HCZ Door
soft turtle
2295511789
I will try
soft turtle
2295511789
Nothing again. The door didn't spawn in the correct positions
thin shuttle
restive turret
ye
soft turtle
XD
soft turtle
soft turtle
use EZ or LCZ
Ok
upper vapor
Why door wont spawn?
```cs
GameObject doorPrefub = Object.Instantiate(NetworkCl...
You can't parent doors
soft turtle
You can't parent doors
Ok
upper vapor
How to spawn only door without wall?
There is a component for it
Somewhere on the prefab
ornate fog
πΈ
upper vapor
Cinema
static meteor
Got a working prototype now
I like C#13's field keyword
slow grotto
slow grotto
Is there a reason people don't use latest/14?
upper vapor
I like C#13's field keyword
You also like block-scoped namespaces for some reason
hearty shard
Is there a reason people don't use latest/14?
lazy to swap
upper vapor
Is there a reason people don't use latest/14?
Visual studio users
snow pulsar
I just use visual studio to change config files and correct some nonsense every now and then.
celest thorn
I like C#13's field keyword
yo is it a monobehavior?
static meteor
No
celest thorn
@upper vapor i might start to crack down on fucking making it more optimized
im worrying
snow pulsar
Hmmm
Me when MERToolbox where I somehow allow it to spawn without the wall although there's primitives around it
soft turtle
How to add immunity to the warhead at the doors so that the warhead does not affect them
harsh thorn
Peak
unique crane
very noice
slate flume
I like C#13's field keyword
It makes the code actually so much cleaner
slate flume
How to add immunity to the warhead at the doors so that the warhead does not aff...
You mean make it so doors aren't locked by warhead?
soft turtle
You mean make it so doors aren't locked by warhead?
Yes
But i found BreakablrDoor::_isInteractable
soft turtle
But i found BreakablrDoor::_isInteractable
This won't work?
slate flume
This won't work?
That's not what handles door locking
DoorVariants store locks and have some wrappers and shit around it
teal junco
I like C#13's field keyword
the field keyword js so peak
restive turret
It would be if i ever able to use it
upper vapor
It would be if i ever able to use it
celest thorn
I like C#13's field keyword
its going to be public?
static meteor
maybe idk yet Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Got primitives mostly working now except collision not being moved when changing its position
cyan crown
now the question is how performant is it
upper vapor
https://discord.com/channels/420530084294688775/420683717686853635/1479508738842...
no acess 
static meteor
maybe idk yet Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
I want to add a converter to convert PMER schematics/maps to my format if I do this
sweet flax
I want to add a converter to convert PMER schematics/maps to my format if I do t...
do you plan on using culling parent?
static meteor
I plan on looking into it and implementing my own culling
thin shuttle
I think its not only door
you can spawn it at 0 0 0 and move the Door to where you want
or wait that not the right things uhm
i need to know how client get remove of these
upper vapor
How to spawn only door without wall?
get the WallableSmallNodeRoomConnector component
change the spawn data and set the ConnectorType to None
icy knoll
get the WallableSmallNodeRoomConnector component
hello java
restive turret
hello java
helo lumi
soft turtle
`DoorEventOpenerExtension::Trigger`
I looked. Do I need to patch it?
slate flume
I looked. Do I need to patch it?
Yeah that's the idea
soft turtle
Yeah that's the idea
thin shuttle
<:Heartbreaking:1350114967377940481>
what do you want exactly since you looking for adding door / removing them
thin shuttle
cant
you can but you need to firstly spawn them near a Wall
on both side
oh no even better
it's sync Network_syncBitmask
thin shuttle
GameObject doorPrefub = Object.Instantiate(NetworkClient.prefabs.Where(x => x.Value.name.Contains("HCZ BreakableDoor")).FirstOrDefault().Value, _schematicObject.transform);
doorPrefub.transform.localScale = Vector3.one;
doorPrefub.transform.localPosition = doorLocalPos;
doorPrefub.GetComponent<WallableSmallNodeRoomConnector>().Network_syncBitmask = 3;
NetworkServer.Spawn(doorPrefub);
@soft turtle try that
try with 0 instead of 3 if it's not working
soft turtle
```
GameObject doorPrefub = Object.Instantiate(NetworkClient.prefabs.Where(x => ...
Thanks for the help, but I've already used the LCZ door. I'm sorry you wasted your time on this
thin shuttle
Thanks for the help, but I've already used the LCZ door. I'm sorry you wasted yo...
it's not wasted
now i learn something more on SL
thanks to you
it's was a great question
soft turtle
now i learn something more on SL
But still, thank you for deciding to help
restive turret
```
GameObject doorPrefub = Object.Instantiate(NetworkClient.prefabs.Where(x => ...
Does the xonnectir exist in all doros?
thin shuttle
let me check Unity
thin shuttle
LCZ Door
slate flume
```
GameObject doorPrefub = Object.Instantiate(NetworkClient.prefabs.Where(x => ...
This is wild
I wanna make sure I've got this correct
So in order to spawn an HCZ Door without the wall around it, you need to GetComponent and change the bitmask of the connector?
Also what's the difference between the LCZ doors and HCZ doors
thin shuttle
This is wild
I wanna make sure I've got this correct
So in order to spawn an HCZ...
HczDoor have wall
slate flume
That's the only difference?
thin shuttle
slate flume
Ah interesting
thin shuttle
and EZ have a glass
slate flume
Right I knew that part
slate flume
Can I replace every HCZ door with LCZ door
The red button is ugly
thin shuttle
Can I replace every HCZ door with LCZ door
The red button is ugly
yes
restive turret
144p
360p
720p
thin shuttle
That's fire
you can do that by a single patch
we did event on Exiled to simplify that
but yeah
thin shuttle
@restive turret i have big question to you what return these two Prefab because they seems to spawn nothing and i don't see anything about it in Unity ?
thin shuttle
This is wild
I wanna make sure I've got this correct
So in order to spawn an HCZ...
i did test and that work fine
thin shuttle
how did you import or make Hcz asset readable ?
soft depot
I dont think they did that, see how the navmesh just goes straight through the HID room table? I dont think it's supposed to do that π
wheat flower
70 active dummies (after round start)
before custom FpcServerPositionDistributor: ~75 TPS
after: ~105 TPS
i love me a 40% increase in performance
~65 TPS with all in same room
(running this on my local machine, not a dedicated server so numbers are lower)
slow grotto
how did you import or make Hcz asset readable ?
It extracts all meshes from the SCPSL_Data Assets files, then replaces the sharedMesh on all colliders attached to the rooms.
The tables either didn't match a mesh correctly, use a different LayerMask, or aren't parented to the room somehow.
Or they are just doing it to spite me
Generating the mesh in-editor and importing that would be more sane, but this has the advantage of automatically updating to game changes
grand flower
70 active dummies (after round start)
before custom FpcServerPositionDistributo...
whatcha do
wheat flower
custom FpcServerPositionDistributor
wheat flower
Lile what did you change
well i moved some (basically all) of the functions into one method, using a static networkwriter, 1D array for FpcSyncData
some other things
micro optimizing
warped prairie
Well if that micro was 40% thatβs huge
Epic even
We gonna get a βSL code optimizerβ plugin soon 
wheat flower
its not exactly a conventional change kekw
i also did caching of the ValidatingVisibility event args
ref
lots of locals
in my profiling i noticed that FpcMouseLook.GetSyncValues is the highest contender for cpu usage in there after all my changes, and its due to quaternion internal unity calls
(otjer methods take more cpu time, but must remain, such as ValidateVisibility)
slow grotto
I dont think they did that, see how the navmesh just goes straight through the H...
That turned out to be a skill issue, fixed now
slow grotto
custom FpcServerPositionDistributor
Just be aware if you publish it that CedMod does some major overhauling of that class and may have conflicts with custom logic. https://github.com/CedModV2/CedMod/blob/master/CedMod/Addons/Sentinal/Patches/FpcServerPositionDistributorPatch.cs I've learned that a lot of people use CedMod after this patch broke one of my plugins.
Sounds like cool stuff though
cyan crown
Does SL have a system that lowers other players scripts,animations or audio based on their distance?
restive turret
custom FpcServerPositionDistributor
Would be so cool to move to interestnmanager
cyan crown
Because i do remember each player spawns a clone of PlayerController even with their animator being culled they still count as a gameobject in the scene, the idea was to basically delete their gameobject but have their other information stored as data when they get close to you.
slow grotto
Because i do remember each player spawns a clone of PlayerController even with t...
That CedMod patch above does something like that, tells every client that players that shouldn't be visible are at 0,0,0 to prevent people using wall hacks. From what I know there needs to be gameobjects for the server to be able to update client info through Mirror. Would need new way to send data to clients. Also, i could be corrected but voice data is always sent to clients because 939's mimic records voices on the client side.
If I understood the question
cyan crown
Interesting
cyan crown
That CedMod patch above does something like that, tells every client that player...
You can either swap the player model with a capscule or something very cheap for the server.
slow grotto
You can either swap the player model with a capscule or something very cheap for...
It looks like most player models are flagged to not be accessed by the CPU (The problem we were trying to get around for building nav meshes in HCZ). So the only thing the game knows about for them is their collider which should be a pill, all GPU data should ignored on a headless build. Some older SCP models are still be loaded, but not doing much.
cyan crown
Interesting.
slow grotto
Granted, I'm going off decompiled data, it's not 100% accurate
cyan crown
Yea but its some info even if its not 100% accurate :'D
upper vapor
hello java
XDDD
cyan crown
Axwabo do you know what are values of Normal Bias of a spot light in SL?
upper vapor
what are you yappin about
cyan crown
I keep noticing issues with spot lights specificly causing the shadow of any object to appear as hovering on top of a object
Its a tiny thing in unity causing me to go crazy
I took this from a forum but the issue with shadows Normal Bias value being to high causing the issue of hovering shadows instead of being projected correctly
Anyways
π¦
upper vapor
no clueΕ±
grand flower
Are you just trying to go 1:1 with SL?
cyan crown
Kinda, i already did get closer to basically looking like SL before with original version of legacy.
Im just trying to figure out if this spot light bug is caused by normal bias so that one day it can be fixed by some developer
slow grotto
Axwabo do you know what are values of Normal Bias of a spot light in SL?
I'll dm some info, spare the chat
cyan crown
Thanks sorry if i annoye you guys to much i just get this late 6 am questions
celest thorn
labapi
restive turret
Labapu
sinful bronze
plugin api
harsh thorn
Just be aware if you publish it that CedMod does some major overhauling of that ...
tbf, ideally i'd add the optimizations into cedmod
possibly basegame
cuz free tps
harsh thorn
Would be so cool to move to interestnmanager
well interestmanager doesnt manage positions, or does it?
restive turret
It doesnt send position data if your out of site
harsh thorn
cuz fpcdistributor does 2 things
it checks if player A can see player B
and it actually tells player A where player B is if they are allowd to see them
if it cant see them it sends them into the void
but its not just "distance check"
unique crane
cuz fpcdistributor does 2 things
it checks if player A can see player B
and it ...
InterestManagement can do that
harsh thorn
it does a bit more than just checking for distance
restive turret
You can code your own interest nanager
harsh thorn
its possible, but i dont think itd benefit performance much more than just making fpcpositiondistributor more optimized
unique crane
Yea
grand flower
If you use the fact your game is room based to your advantage
unique crane
it probably does the same thing either way
restive turret
It wull benefit more than fpc pos and other ac related things
grand flower
You can make a stupidly fast interest manager
harsh thorn
thats what i did for cedmods anti esp
i filter out everyone based on their rooms
and do the close people with the more heavy stuff with some position checks + raycasting for the scenarios that fit everything
unique crane
RelativePositioning is tanking position distribution a lot... unfortunely
harsh thorn
RelativePositioning is tanking position distribution a lot... unfortunely
well relativepositioning isnt nessecarily the issue
cuz thats just math
grand flower
I already gave y'all solutions for waypoints/relative positioning so but yeah until you get rid of it you're gonna be bottlenecked
it's useless and pretty much slow math
harsh thorn
well its there for moving parts of the map
restive turret
I love calling the engine for unnecessary stuff
grand flower
Which you don't need relative positioning/waypoints for
unique crane
Its linear iterating waypoints to find out in which one you are
harsh thorn
well, what else would you use then
unique crane
for each player
harsh thorn
Its linear iterating waypoints to find out in which one you are
sounds like something that can be optimized
grand flower
lemme find the wall of text again
unique crane
ye
Some quad tree or similar would be useful
- checking if they moved away from previous waypoint at all
grand flower
well, what else would you use then
unique crane
Anyways back to c++
harsh thorn
hmm
could work i guess
so, if im understanding it right
its basically replacing the dedicated waypoints with an already existing object (eg the elevator itself)?
that would be used as "reference"
similair to what waypoints do (where they are the reference)
harsh thorn
hmm
celest thorn
its possible, but i dont think itd benefit performance much more than just makin...
ced what are you saying????
harsh thorn
ced what are you saying????
what im saying is i doubt that moving fpcpositiondistributor to use the mirror interest management
has any significant performance benefit from simply optimizing fpcpositiondistributor
celest thorn
it does
harsh thorn
(you still need to itterate the player per player twice)
celest thorn
and it prevents even cheaters from being able to see shit from walls
harsh thorn
no because mirror just does a distance check
celest thorn
no because mirror just does a distance check
no???
harsh thorn
which, we already do on players
restive turret
Y'know you can write your own
celest thorn
what i mean is interest manger is useful for items
for player its like less but for items and other stuff
structures
harsh thorn
like i said
moving the whole thing to an interest manager will have zero benefit to just making the syncronizer that already exists more optmized
restive turret
So technically you can do something like show 939 when close, others see more , etc
celest thorn
it's useful for pretty much everything
^
celest thorn
POC time <:toomuchtrolling:974345880817791016>
it will not work
trust me
i tried
SL isn't done for that
celest thorn
You only had server
true
harsh thorn
mfw all the things you'd want to hide with a interest manager already have a position syncer
celest thorn
mfw all the things you'd want to hide with a interest manager already have a po...
and thats why they could be removed
harsh thorn
or just optimize said position syncers
cuz the concept is LITTERALLY the same
foreach ()
foreach ()
and then sending a net message for those that can or cant see
restive turret
No it just remove from the observer list
harsh thorn
No it just remove from the observer list
well mirror will send those messageds under the hood
grand flower
and rewrite it
already on it o7
celest thorn
and 100% increases fps lol
grand flower
gimme a few months once my pc's back on and i'll target 64 players per server
harsh thorn
and 100% increases fps lol
i dont see how its any different from fpcpositiondistributor in essence
grand flower
It handles it for you
restive turret
well mirror will send those messageds under the hood
Well if you just remove the observer and sending messages to all observers , you not gonna see/rcv the message if you are not the observer
grand flower
And you can apply it to other things like items etc
It's just a better architecture
harsh thorn
It handles it for you
it doesnt because 95% of the logic in there is not covered by mirror and needs a custom manager
restive turret
That's what im saying
grand flower
Okay scrap the handles it for you but it's still a better architecture
p much what Unreal does
harsh thorn
the problem with anything mirror is, they LOVE making breaking changes constantly
restive turret
Man we havent updated to latest yet
celest thorn
the problem with anything mirror is, they LOVE making breaking changes constantl...
when it is last time you guys updated?
like ages???
restive turret
And these guys haven't uploaded to unity store for years now
harsh thorn
when it is last time you guys updated?
i update mirror periodically
every year or so, or when i feel like it
harsh thorn
And these guys haven't uploaded to unity store for years now
you dont need the store
they litterally have a unitypackage on their git release
restive turret
Ye i know you can manually download the package