plugins-dev-chat

[thin shuttle]

But that probably because this system is old

And haven't been rewrite since that

[obtuse spruce]

cuz actually

call damagehandler ctor + network serialization + an other network message serialization

and with my idea you remove the second call ~(trivial cost) but it remove an foreach loop :))

[obtuse spruce]

just, im not saying that the system need to be recoded only for this dw, i was just curious of the reason behind but it work so

[thin shuttle]

Oh yeah ok

I see

[slate flume]

SpeakerToy reverb changing and player variable for client-side mutes when?

They were mentioned as likely possibilities months ago

I wish to improve the systems I have using SpeakerToys but I can't until these two things (or comparable changes) are made
I know at least one of those has been on the backlog since like April of last year

Is there a place I can petition to get these things done more expediently or am I just at the mercy of whenever it's decided that the devs can start doing something about it

[hearty shard]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/119

[slate flume]

Oh my bad it was May not April

[hearty shard]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExemJueDMweG02ODF2cm1pZDQzb3RtN2wzaWV6dGtqOWRhazlsaHM5aiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/5JgEQXBEAnS9W57Pny/giphy.gif

[slate flume]

Honestly, I hate that I keep having to come back to these same points but it's really frustrating and I just want to have some of these basic features

I have multiple community members every month coming to me asking me to "fix" some of my implementations that use SpeakerToys because of these problems

And every time I have to say I can't do anything because I'm stuck dealing with the whims of Northwood

[celest thorn]

i can give you a solution

leave the game

trust

[slate flume]

I mean it's at the point where I might have to do shit like implement my own server-specific muting system

This shouldn't be a consideration I have to make

And yet I'm at the point now where this is just about my only option moving forward

I don't know if I can express enough how tired I am of shit like this

[celest thorn]

idk my opinion hasn't changed in all of this year, but ig no listening and i don't blame the devs

[slate flume]

I don't blame the devs, I blame whoever created the system they have to work under because it's clearly not working

[celest thorn]

so the devs

by your logic

[slate flume]

You believe the LabAPI maintainers created the bureaucratic processes they have to deal with?
That's like blaming a Walmart cashier for inflated grocery prices

[celest thorn]

no?

[slate flume]

Exactly

[slate flume]

[celest thorn]

btw i honestly have my thoughts

on the stuff i saw with my eyes, and the stuff i got told

and ngl i feel bad for the devs

lol

thank god i don't open much this game anymore

[slate flume]

I know at least some of the devs are passionate about making changes and getting stuff done, just they're not allowed/able to

[mild ice]

I'm not educated on the internal processes they follow, but they do indeed get stuff done

We handle a lot of QA requests for LabAPI changes / updates / fixes

[hearty shard]

evil lucy

[slate flume]

Some stuff definitely gets done

I'm not trying to say stuff doesn't happen

[slate flume]

[harsh thorn]

So, was this issue raised into a github issue?

[slate flume]

Yes

Back in May

Of last year

[harsh thorn]

and it wasnt fixed?

[slate flume]

Everything got marked as completed because shit was moved to the internal tracker

[unique crane]

Jesus marked them as done and moved it into internal repo

[slate flume]

[unique crane]

I would like to change that in future

just not closing and adding tag "moved to internal"

or something

[slate flume]

I just want changes to happen so I don't have members in my community constantly asking for fixes on things I can't change

[harsh thorn]

ok i might be blind but i dont actually see the issue for this in the internal repo

[slate flume]

Like we still can't even remove the speed cap imposed on micro HID

I have no control here other than being annoying about it in an effort to see these things happen and I apologize for that

I just hope my viewpoint is at least understandable

[harsh thorn]

well, if you have genuince concerns thats something you should contact the labapi lead about (david)

[slate flume]

How should I go about dictating such concerns and getting them sent to an official channel

[harsh thorn]

well, for normal issues you would probably want to report them into the github as normal

[slate flume]

Right I understand that much

[harsh thorn]

if things get marked as fixed/closed but not actually fixed you may want to re-open such issue
and if that doesnt work you may want to contact david himself

[unique crane]

Me too

[slate flume]

I just mean I want to see forward progress on some things that I haven't gotten any new news on for months

[unique crane]

Might be named differently

But there is another issue that resolves his aswell

[harsh thorn]

i searched for like parts of the title and the github link

[unique crypt]

this works as you said but FallDamageSettings dosent seem to get reset on class change

[2026-01-25 02:37:19.540 +05:00] [INFO] [FallDamageControl] bOriginalFallDamageEnabled = True
[2026-01-25 02:37:19.555 +05:00] [INFO] [FallDamageControl] Disabling fall damage for Tutorial
[2026-01-25 02:37:36.299 +05:00] [INFO] [FallDamageControl] bOriginalFallDamageEnabled = False
[2026-01-25 02:37:36.314 +05:00] [INFO] [FallDamageControl] Not modifying fall damage for ClassD
[2026-01-25 02:38:03.149 +05:00] [INFO] [FallDamageControl] bOriginalFallDamageEnabled = False
[2026-01-25 02:38:03.165 +05:00] [INFO] [FallDamageControl] Not modifying fall damage for Scientist

[unique crane]

so it might not be imported becuase of that

Like this solves his issue aswell

[slate flume]

I'm fine with any change addressing these issues

[slate flume]

That would be even better

[unique crane]

and I would rather go with this yea

[harsh thorn]

makes sense then

[unique crane]

Something I can ask beryl next time I talk with him

[slate flume]

I'm hoping and praying to see these things happen soon because I have multiple suggestions and bug reports open on my server relating to this

It gets frustrating telling multiple people every month that I can literally do nothing other than potentially overhauling the muting system with a server-side implement

I only started messaging here about it because I got yet another forum opened about it today

And this is the most power I have to see any progress

[unique crane]

Sending preferneces of muted players is not a big deal in my opinion.. but again, something not completely up to me

[unique crane]

Yeah I dont mind people pushing stuff a bit

I get its it might get annoying with you being pushed by players that it doesnt work properly

and so the cycle continues towards me

[slate flume]

I try not to be too obnoxious I apologize if it's ever an inconvenience

Thank you for understanding David it means a lot

[unique crane]

But yet again

Something that you have to keep in mind

Is that stuff just takes time here

[slate flume]

I get that

[unique crane]

Its not because we wouldnt want to get them done

No

But look

[thin shuttle]

very weird

[slate flume]

I mean I'd expect a suggestion to take a month or more to get in the game it's just we're starting to edge on a year for this and I didn't think it was a big ask

[unique crane]

Just to get something to be done already takes time, especially the "getting to it" part

[unique crane]

I know

[unique crypt]

    public override void OnPlayerSpawned(PlayerSpawnedEventArgs ev)
    {
        if (ev.Player == null)
        {
            Logger.Info($"Null player {ev.Player.UserId}");
            return;
        }

        if (ev.Player.ReferenceHub.roleManager.CurrentRole is not IFpcRole fpcRole)
        {
            Logger.Info($"NoFPC role {ev.Player.UserId} ({ev.Player.Role.ToString()})");
            return;
        }

        bool bOriginalFallDamageEnabled = fpcRole.FpcModule.FallDamageSettings.Enabled;
        Logger.Info($"bOriginalFallDamageEnabled = {bOriginalFallDamageEnabled}");

        if (_config.DisableFallDamage || _config.IgnoredRoles.Contains(ev.Player.Role))
        {
            fpcRole.FpcModule.FallDamageSettings.Enabled = false;
            Logger.Info($"Disabling fall damage for {ev.Player.UserId} ({ev.Player.Role.ToString()})");
        }
        else
        {
            Logger.Info($"Not modifying fall damage for {ev.Player.UserId} ({ev.Player.Role.ToString()})");
        }
    }

[unique crane]

but your not the only one suggestion things

There is plenty of things that has to be done

and its not only suggestion

[thin shuttle]

i am not doubting your code

i am just kinda surprised

[unique crane]

Didnt meant this aggresively, sorry

[thin shuttle]

because it's under IFpcRole

[unique crypt]

I am just sending it for reference here

[unique crane]

Code has to be adjusted over time aswell to match base game

[unique crypt]

I was thinking maybe i fucked something up already

[slate flume]

Right I get that it takes time to get things done, it just feels at times like there's not a lot of stuff getting done even where the things might be relatively simple
Like it took about half a year or so to get one line of code changed in the game and that was tough
I feel like there's definitely room for improving the system in which these changes have to go through to get implemented, especially since I know some of you guys are very passionate about doing stuff around here
I can empathize with your viewpoint and understand it I just want to also express where I'm coming from when I talk about this stuff

I don't mean to come off as pompous I just think it's important to express especially when I have a lot of people coming to me asking me to fix stuff I can't do anything about

[thin shuttle]

honnestly is kinda annoying me rn

but you can probably get Server.Host as reference to reset it at every changed class

[unique crane]

Uhh try 1 frame delay

might work

[unique crane]

Yes, again, Im not mad at you or anything

[slate flume]

Cheers

[hearty shard]

oioi

[thin shuttle]

they should be reset right ?

at every changed role

[slate flume]

And thanks for checking in on the report David I'd hope to maybe see something after a few updates

[unique crane]

Idk, but its common fix for most of things

[thin shuttle]

if Spawned is correctly put

you wouldn't need a delay fix

let me check

where it's put

[unique crane]

No clue on this one

[thin shuttle]

okay

yea

it's might fixed that

@unique crypt instead of using LabAPI event can you use this SL event
PlayerRoleManager.OnRoleChanged

[slate flume]

Very interesting

[thin shuttle]

can you give a look to my issue on github ?

if you haven't already

[unique crane]

oki

[unique crypt]

can you show how to do that

Do I do something like PlayerRoleManager.OnRoleChanged += Handler; or

and PlayerRoleManager.OnRoleChanged -= Handler; on disable?

[unique crane]

Ye

[thin shuttle]

PlayerRoleManager.OnRoleChanged += Method;

public void Method(ReferenceHub userHub, PlayerRoleBase prevRole, PlayerRoleBase newRole) { your code }

@unique crypt ^

[unique crypt]

How I can get a player from SL event?

[hearty shard]

Player.Get

on referencehub

[unique crypt]

[2026-01-25 04:16:18.838 +05:00] [INFO] [FallDamageControl] bOriginalFallDamageEnabled = True
[2026-01-25 04:16:18.854 +05:00] [INFO] [FallDamageControl] Disabling fall damage for Tutorial
[2026-01-25 04:16:34.991 +05:00] [INFO] [FallDamageControl] bOriginalFallDamageEnabled = False
[2026-01-25 04:16:35.006 +05:00] [INFO] [FallDamageControl] Not modifying fall damage for ClassD
[2026-01-25 04:16:35.933 +05:00] [INFO] [FallDamageControl] bOriginalFallDamageEnabled = False```

yeah unfortunately that dosent work either

nor with Timing.CallDelayed Timing.WaitForOneFrame

[restive turret]

Lool where i remember both but still don't think it got as "moved into internal" or smth

[restive turret]

Idk it has to go tru 2 layer then have to start implement then (depends if basegame touched or only labAPI)

[restive turret]

Was already changed when i added that tag

[restive turret]

Ye its not easy to get merged into main, many stuff is easy and many stuff has been done but the code is changing constantly (ie: knife stuff was changed 2 times publicly i believe) and other stuff isn't as much priority as other stuff. I have many ideas and maybe ready implementations.
And since many people working on it it isn't really straightforward "get it done, qa it and push asap".
Everything has priority and everyone sees them differently.
(Bugs usually gets the most priority for me, while for example others like to do implantations, etc).
It takes time to read and understand changes, and even suggestions different ideas/implementation over it.

Man 1 am brain

Btw (another ping) @slate flume
Feel free to ping me if your idea/bug hasn't been completed [and you still can replicate the bug] and the issue is closed

[slate flume]

Yeah I have no hard feelings towards anyone involved in the process, I just definitely think there is room to improve the way things get done if there are small, but important, changes that are taking close to a year to get implemented
I can't claim I know the first thing about your guys' process, and I know the scale of a game is much larger than, say, the scale of one server, but for me it can be very difficult to deal with when I have a bunch of people expecting changes that I have to rely on Northwood to get done
I wouldn't be talking about it if I wasn't accosted a lot about certain client-sided issues or features that I can't fix
Luckily, I have the technical ability to figure out and patch server-sided problems, which is the main reason I got so good at transpilers, but for other features like the Micro H.I.D. speed cap or, in this case, SpeakerToy reverb and client-side mutes, I just have to sit and wait for the day when the SL or LabAPI changelog includes "Added X" or "Fixed Y"

On the personal side, a few months ago I kind of burnt out making new GitHub requests and bug reports because it's not very often I see any news, updates, or changes regarding the things I post
I have no way of knowing when you guys plan to address the ideas or bugs posted, and I've seen maybe 2/3 things I've posted in my entire time in this community get implemented
Now I know that that part's a bit selfish, and that's why it's not the main thing I bring up but I've ended up resorting primarily to just fixing the bugs myself

[restive turret]

Ye i definitely get that.

[slate flume]

I have a lot of respect for what you, and others on the team, do
I really appreciate seeing bug fixes and new features, I just wish things happened a bit faster or a bit more because from my side it's like I'm throwing all of my issues into the void

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

Kind of what it's like on this side at times

And it's not your guys' fault, I know how much you guys work and the passion you all bring

I just wish it could be easier for you guys to do the things you want to do and make more changes for the community

[restive turret]

Please dont! I want to see every idea or things you wish, even if small,large or bad in my opinion.
The transparency is something I wish to do tho but I can't really say something like XY will be added. Because I have zero clue if added or not in next update.
Or i dont even think I can say "hey ideas #69696969 is ready in internal pr, we waiting for merge!"

[slate flume]

Right, I think a big reason I talk about it a lot here is because I hold myself to a reasonably higher standard with my own server as to making changes and how things come along, both when it comes to programming, and for internal management
It's tough when there's no way to know the way things unfold or when whatever it is that is posted is going to be worked on

[restive turret]

I already added my own ideas in internal one that only changes code inside labapi (ie: latest langver)

[slate flume]

Honestly your passion really shows

[restive turret]

I think there is 2 new tags that will show if the idea got accepted or denied

[slate flume]

I always enjoy talking about stuff w/ you cause you bring a lot of positive energy and enthusiasm

[restive turret]

It was a silent change but if u wish I can write 2 paragraph about it

[slate flume]

If you'd like to share I'm always willing to listen

[restive turret]

I also do lot of PoC both in labapi and ingame

@slate flume
// Unofficial announcement
We added new labels in LabApi repo which should be make us little bit more transparent.

"Accepted" label indicate your idea has been accepted and the team will work on it.
"Denied" label indicate your idea has not been accepted and will be written why does the team thinks your idea is not a good addition to the game/api.
"Idea" label indicate the issue is an idea to implement in-game or in labapi itself, for further check above 2 what can happen to your idea.
"Imported" label indicate the issue has been moved to our internal repo for better management.

[slate flume]

That's actually really nice considering I have no idea what happens to ideas after they're imported
Like earlier with the KnownUser thing, it was silently denied after being moved internally in favor of another (albeit better) change

[restive turret]

I aint even know what happened to it and I can see internal stuff

(maybe github being wierd in mobile)

[restive turret]

Ideas=>import=>wait time until someone decided to look if can be done, good etc. =>

1. Denied => put out why.
2. Accepted => show accepted => team work on it => internal steps to push to public (qa, pr, work) => publicly closed as "finsihed in X.Y"

[slate flume]

I love hearing that there's changes like that being done

I really appreciate that things are happening to improve the pipeline for bugs and ideas from the community

[restive turret]

I mean that will be the future ig i try to be more transparent but still making some hype and stuff around it

Bugs usually i jump into it

Fix what i can and pray it works in public

Bugs has different pipeline but kinda same

Wait time can be idk, lot

And i been busy just adding ideas to internal one that i like to be added and changed

Idk if u want that to be public or not will ask David about some of mine can be public but mostly it's just simple stuff

[slate flume]

Is there an open issue about being able to modify the reverb on SpeakerToys?

Also a fire new idea just dropped

Life would be so great if that's implemented along with this and the aforementioned syncing of client mutes

We could finally be able to create a true prox chat experience rather than reverberating effects-attached client-mute-ignoring current state

I was originally planning to use dummies to replicate proximity chat but the problem with that presents when trying to hide said dummies from players while keeping prox chat working (it's impossible to do)
It would be epic to have a way to integrate SCPs and others into actually being able to use proximity chat and have it sound like proximity chat

[upper vapor]

because this is supposed to be controller by the server
and how would the client know how much another person fell

[upper vapor]

hey i did that
biggest MR of my life

[soft turtle]

Is there a single check that verifies whether a player is valid?
Or do I have to write a long validation check every time?
Like this:

if (!player.IsDestroyed && !player.IsHost && !player.IsDummy && player.IsReady)

[upper vapor]

yeah you'll need to do this
make an extension method or property (C# 14)

player is {IsDestroyed: false, IsHost: false, IsDummy: false, IsReady: true} might be cleaner

[soft turtle]

[slate flume]

I'm all for more things being network messages instead of fully client-sided

I like having more control and flexibility in the changes I can make

If more things required server-validation, then situations like, ahem, an unchangeable Micro H.I.D. speed cap wouldn't exist

I'm a Day 1 hater of that change and I always will be

And I mean it, as soon as it was announced I was dogging on it

Major-league bad move

I legitimately crashed out

[slate flume]

Extension members >>>>>>>>

So peak

Check it

[upper vapor]

🗣️

[slate flume]

Correct me if I'm wrong but could you not just
player.ReferenceHub?.authManager.InstanceMode == ClientInstanceMode.ReadyClient
If the player is a host, their ClientInstanceMode is DedicatedServer
If the player is a dummy, their ClientInstanceMode is Dummy
If the player isn't ready, their ClientInstanceMode is Unverified
And the null conditional on the ReferenceHub should check if the ReferenceHub is null

One check instead of four

Well technically two but it's disguised as one

[soft turtle]

I know. But its still long ckeck

[upper vapor]

null-coalescing doesn't work for unity objects

[slate flume]

Well fuck Unity

[upper vapor]

we should kill unity

[slate flume]

0 ong

[upper vapor]

okay why is it that when i open the hub from the task manager it doesn't steal focus for the first time
but when i'm on a different desktop and it starts compiling scripts, the editor steals focus AND switches to its desktop THREE TIMES

[slate flume]

What about like player is {ReferenceHub: var hub}?
Or do you need the CompareBaseObjects to run explicitly by converting the hub to a boolean with the implicit == operator

[upper vapor]

var doesn't do a null check

yeah you should ==

or the implicit op

[slate flume]

Woops I mean player is {ReferenceHub: { } hub}

[upper vapor]

that wouldn't (or shouldn't) work

[soft turtle]

Lol. Why does a player who left the server have InstanceMode ReadyClient?

[slate flume]

Because the were verified

[upper vapor]

gotta love same-frame issues

[soft turtle]

But he left from server and now NOT verified

[slate flume]

Just put

public static class PlayerIsValid
{
    extension(Player player)
    {
        public bool IsValid => player is {ReferenceHub: { } hub } && hub && hub.authManager.InstanceMode is ClientInstanceMode.ReadyClient;
    }
}

Into your plugin somewhere and use IsValid

[upper vapor]

sobbing

[restive turret]

I want to create a PoC for this one and since has 3 values I gonna ask:
Do you want to just disable/enable it?
Can be change all 3 values?

[slate flume]

Personally I just want to disable it

Neither I, nor my server's community, have any desire to keep the speed cap

It's a very divisive change but my community voted majoritarily to entirely get rid of it

It also appears like most people looking to modify it just want it disabled

And these kinds of issues really bog it down

[restive turret]

So only disable no other value change

[slate flume]

That's about where I'm at

[restive turret]

That's easier than the other so that's why I asked

[slate flume]

Not sure if other devs are looking for something else

But I think that's the thing most people are looking for

[unique crane]

IsPlayer

[restive turret]

will see about that when I will be not busy creating my own serialization lib for aot and my own socket lib

[soft turtle]

It will still return true even if the player isn't on the server. That is, the player has left the server, but the check will return True.

[restive turret]

Connection should be null when left

[unique crane]

Yeah but you wont get disconnected player in Player.ReadyList

[restive turret]

But you get in on left event no?

[slate flume]

You're actually my favorite

[unique crane]

obviously

thats what the event is for

[restive turret]

Also dummies arent running OnLeft

[slate flume]

They also aren't running OnJoined

[soft turtle]

No. If you save a player in the list, it won't be null.
For example, if I save a player in the PlayersToSpawn list and call it

[restive turret]

Yes ik

[slate flume]

Fire

[unique crane]

Then update the list if someone leaves?

override OnPlayerLeft(PlayerLeftEventArgs args)
{
  PlayersToSpawn.Remove(args.Player);
}

[soft turtle]

Why? Ican simply check if the player is null and perform an action, then destroy the list.

[restive turret]

Also since LEFT running BEFORE the actual player being destroy add 0.1f wait timer into it

0.1 because that's the default for unity (ie: next frame)

[unique crane]

player.Hub != null check works fine too yea

[restive turret]

I was thinking of other event instead of adding into there

[soft turtle]

No. Then there will be a problem if the player has been created but hasn't fully logged into the server yet (during the verification process)

[slate flume]

What is the context in which you're running this code

[restive turret]

OnDummyCreated/Destroyed

[slate flume]

That would be epic

[unique crane]

OnPlayerJoined is run after all of this no?

[slate flume]

Correct

[restive turret]

We don't know what u doing since you ain't share any code or information to get any clues

[unique crane]

Well then where is the issue

Just dont add them during preath event to the list?

[slate flume]

Why even have a static list for something like PlayersToSpawn

[unique crane]

Thats their thing

But a code of what they are trying to do would be helpful

[slate flume]

Just make it a getter for an IEnumerable over Player.ReadyList

[soft turtle]

You don't understand what plugin I have, and arguing blindly is stupid.
I've already done everything I wanted and created a normal check to ensure this is a real player.

[restive turret]

It should be ienumerable and it do stuff like

Player.ReadyList.Where( x => x.RoleBase is Spectator spec && spec.IsReadyToSpawn)
Or something

[upper vapor]

there's a uh method for this

[unique crane]

Yeah, send us the code

[restive turret]

I did this from memory

I'm in bed still

[upper vapor]

WaveSpawner.CanBeSpawned

[restive turret]

Lool

I didn't think it had a list for these

[slate flume]

You came in here asking for clarification and help and we're trying to offer guidance but you have given us very little information
The point we're trying to make is that there's likely an easier way to do whatever it is you're doing

So all we can do is speculate blindly because you've given us nothing to work off of

We have an incomplete picture because you have not completed it

[upper vapor]

trying to remove the bit of food stuck between your teeth reference

[restive turret]

Here is a complete picture

[slate flume]

So tuff

[upper vapor]

íííííílmao

[slate flume]

Looking like a grandpa who just got an iPhone

[unique crane]

iphone 💀

[somber venture]

https://tenor.com/view/qazqaz-gif-6790593549618684130

[slate flume]

This is almost a 1:1 replica of a picture we have of my uncle

[restive turret]

Anyway feel free to ping me if i 🐸et to say anything about my PoC implementations.
Since those are poc it wouldn't be fully completed & ready but idea behind should be goog

[upper vapor]

they might have been transfurmed

[upper vapor]

goog

le or fel?

[slate flume]

You're awful 😔

[upper vapor]

thx

[restive turret]

[slate flume]

Do you feed off the tears of new SL devs

[upper vapor]

i feed off water and salami

and ram

[unique crane]

Woah thats more evil than eve

[slate flume]

Salami is goated

[upper vapor]

can't pronounce evil without eve

[unique crane]

World protogen hunger

cause of ai

[slate flume]

Did you guys hear

OpenAI is seeking more donations because they're operating in the red

[upper vapor]

"guys we might have put ourselves in a sticky situation because we totally give a crap about safety"

"we absolutely ensure that ai is safe for everyone to use"
-# -nobody at closedai

[restive turret]

I heard many security researcher literally tell sama to duck off

[upper vapor]

saltman

[upper vapor]

i have bought ram recently

it was expensive af

[slate flume]

What are you, rich?

[upper vapor]

no

[restive turret]

And still living in a hut

[upper vapor]

i'm axwabo

[restive turret]

[slate flume]

Hi axwabo

[upper vapor]

pizza hut?

[slate flume]

Based

[restive turret]

🛖

[upper vapor]

wild west reference

[slate flume]

You didn't have to doxx 'em like that

[restive turret]

🔥

[slate flume]

Word up

Microsoft is on my shit list

[upper vapor]

"30% of our code is written by ai"
yeah it shows

[slate flume]

I hate them

[upper vapor]

can't start explorer

can't start notepad

can't start my life

can't shut down

[slate flume]

Bro I had sticky notes crash earlier

[restive turret]

That's not on them but ye

[upper vapor]

what else can't you do on this os

[restive turret]

Sending me million dollar

[slate flume]

Not joking

[upper vapor]

it's their faults

[upper vapor]

have you tried

switching to linux

[restive turret]

I can't

[slate flume]

But I want full game support

[upper vapor]

oh nahhh

kernel level anticheat

hmm yes i love

[restive turret]

I do shady things that requires windows

[upper vapor]

surveillance over my entire system

[restive turret]

And i play rust sometimes

[upper vapor]

choose a different ventilation method

[restive turret]

Jokes on you i block ms domain 🔥

[slate flume]

I know I have some games in my library that aren't ported to linux

[upper vapor]

yeah but not kernel-level anticheat

[restive turret]

I don't play those games

[upper vapor]

go9od

[restive turret]

Anymore

[slate flume]

Someone needs to make a Windows competitor that is just Windows but without the bullshit

[upper vapor]

ummmm

fedora kde?

https://tenor.com/view/trump-gif-18529180

[restive turret]

Win7 partial source code is leaked so

[upper vapor]

omw to build doors7 now

[restive turret]

Real

Doors9

[upper vapor]

XD

[restive turret]

Or

[slate flume]

Fedora Linux?

[restive turret]

D8rs

[upper vapor]

genius

[upper vapor]

yeah

wine & proton exist for a reason

[slate flume]

Linux != Windows

[slate flume]

They exist but they don't work in every use case

[upper vapor]

:(

the bait did not work

[restive turret]

Cus not a fish

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-meme-you-know-what-that-means-gif-12503956388971591256

[slate flume]

I don't think they ever even got PUBG working for Linux

I don't play the game but that was interesting to me

[upper vapor]

i wonder if you could run it with winboat

-# i don't really play games so idk

[slate flume]

GPU passthrough is an issue

Win boat doesn't really do that afaik

[upper vapor]

right

solution: don't play any games

[slate flume]

All I know is Microsoft cornered the market and are gonna do whatever they can to make sure users can't escape their ecosystem (just like Apple)

Two of my least favorite companies ever

[upper vapor]

lmao

ap*le

[slate flume]

I hope Microsoft tanks and stops existing

I wanna see some IBM -type shit

[upper vapor]

bruh

let's keep the .net team though

[slate flume]

Praying on their downfall 🙏

[upper vapor]

(not the visual studio team)

[slate flume]

I introduced a new dev to Rider a few days ago

[upper vapor]

ooooo

[slate flume]

He messaged me a few hours after I did and was praising me

No lie

[upper vapor]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[slate flume]

He used to use Visual Studio lmao so I get the pain

Exactly where I was a year ago

[upper vapor]

some people just don't realize that they're being gatekept

[slate flume]

Ong

[upper vapor]

the previous sentence has weird grammar

[upper vapor]

they

okay

they're gatekeeping themselves, preventing uhh

a true developer experience

it's a different thing if you don't like Rider because this or that

but at the same time, you can just... configure Rider

🤯

[slate flume]

Double shift is peak

Built-in decompiler >>>

Huge

[upper vapor]

I KNOW RIGHT

[slate flume]

Saved me actually SO much time

[upper vapor]

vs also has one but it's kinda ass

[slate flume]

Jet brains has their own decompiler and it's never failed me

Jet brains gives me faith in tech companies

[upper vapor]

railjet brains

[restive turret]

Rider is wierd to me as all their product UI

The java one was same

[upper vapor]

says the one whose IDE has the solution explorer on the right by default

that's just so stupid

[restive turret]

You can configure that one too

[upper vapor]

yeah but who had that brilliant idea

[restive turret]

Idk

Even vsc has it in right

Wait nvm thats left

[upper vapor]

[thin shuttle]

That kinda personnal preference i don't see any problems with both it's just that you are more comfortable with one or an other depending if what you experienced before

[wary gust]

That was the first thing I did the moment I opened rider

[restive turret]

@slate flume yo.
Hey since I got cold again (or i have zero clue what/how happened) i can't do anything
, head hurts and my nose doing its funny where it doesnt stop being annoying.
Dont think I gonna show what would be an impl poc for microhid.
I usually be better after 1 or 2 days so maybe in weekday or something.
Anyway if you have more ideas to add in labapi/basegame type out here / git issue (i prefer here first then git issue)

I wanted to do so much today waaa

[thin shuttle]

i read than you was cold at zero temp body

i was bruh lol

and now i am asking what is 0F in Celsuis

[restive turret]

Is it flu? Idk something usually happens in winter time

My immune system is shit so

[unique crane]

Bro ive been sneezing and coughing for a week

[next jungle]

rip

[unique crane]

This is what happens when are we all locked up in the same basement smh...

[restive turret]

Ye i had same issue last week but was good after 2 days then today got struct by it

[soft turtle]

I don't understand how this works. I unsubscribe from the event, but it doesn't care
I call Unregister in RoundStarting and Register in WaitingForPlayers, but after the round starts, it doesn't respond.
(Register isn't called anywhere else except WaitingForPlayers.)

Does anyone have a similar problem?

[upper vapor]

log out something in Unregister

[restive turret]

Because it goes as "waitingplayers" then "roundstarting" then "RoundStarted" so after the round officially started it unregisters those making your actions completely nulliflied

[soft turtle]

That's how it should be. Like in WaitingForPlayers, I call Register so that player events trigger during the Lobby.
In RoundStarting, I unsubscribe from events and players once the round has started.

BUT for some reason the events don't unsubscribe and continue their work

[restive turret]

The last 3 events will never be called

[upper vapor]

it's called
spawning in players while they're in the lobby

[upper vapor]

are you using the same instance of the class?

[restive turret]

Bruh

[upper vapor]

try using CustomEventsHandler

[soft turtle]

Nvm. The problem is that the events don't want to be unsubscribed

[soft turtle]

Yep

[upper vapor]

where do you set it

also, if the methoids can be marked static, mark them static

[unique crane]

Well your Unregistering it when you disable the plugin..?

I dont see any RoundStarting unsubscribe

[soft turtle]

Not only that. I also call Unregister in RoundStarting.

[upper vapor]

could you put logs in server events to verify that they are being called?

[soft turtle]

They are 100% called because my logs are spammed with errors that the event could not get the list, because I make the list null in RoundStarting

[unique crane]

Wdym?

[soft turtle]

I mean that players have subscribed to events but don't want to unsubscribe for some reason
I know the events are subscribed because they spam errors because I make the List null in RoundStarting

[unique crane]

Wait

[unique crane]

What object is this in

Player or Server events?

[soft turtle]

Plsyer

[unique crane]

Can you please in fact confirm via log that they do get called

And show the method where you register them

[unique crane]

and the registering too

[soft turtle]

?

[unique crane]

Log the registering the events too

[soft turtle]

Ah ok

[unique crane]

just in case it doesnt get called twice or anything

then show the la how it gets called

[unique crane]

@upper vapor any idea

[upper vapor]

idk what to tell you

this is impossible

try using customeventshandler i guess

[soft turtle]

But for some reason this happens.
I had the same problem with another plugin, but I just ignored it

[upper vapor]

i blame it on c# delegates

[next jungle]

uhhh is there some other maintained custom role api besides UCR?

[unique crane]

I believe so

check plugins

[upper vapor]

#1338881801040429068

[next jungle]

yea but that one is purely yml based 😔

there was another one that looked decent but its archived

[hearty shard]

exiled

[next jungle]

that would require rewriting my entire plugin and switching out multiple libraries

[unique crane]

Geniuenly 0 clue on this one then. Can you make a very basic plugin without anything else than this unsubscribe, subcribe behavior and then report it as an bug if it still persistst?

[unique crane]

Gotta make your own then

[next jungle]

:dread:

forgor

[restive turret]

Well that was the most easier one, if you want can create something that supports C# ones too

[next jungle]

I mean UCR does support c# but like the api itself is very limiting

[restive turret]

ye we using my Yaml roles and has an extension that we work to do more funny roles

idk if i wanna expose that

[next jungle]

not really needed ngl, im already half way through writing a basic custom role api

[unique crypt]

bettersinkholes rewritten/ported to LabAPI, if the original author permits me to release it on github with CC0 or any other license i'll put it up, feel free to poke around & offer suggestions (dll + src inside)

[slate flume]

Yeah don't sweat it dog

I'm going off the grid the next several days so I'll be unreachable during that period

[restive turret]

But...

[restive turret]

I also did 2 poc i think the 2nd one might be better i think idk.

[unique crypt]

@thin shuttle sorry for pinging ya, is it possible for you to take a look?

[slate flume]

Did you rewrite it or port it?

Seems like a pretty easy plugin to make

[waxen kayak]

i want to know how to stop culling player

[true cedar]

huh

[thin shuttle]

It's not mine initially i have only rewriten it to work with event

[upper vapor]

What do you mean

[waxen kayak]

no need

i found how to stop culling players

(in server)

[upper vapor]

I don't think anyone besides you understood what you were trying to achieve

[upper vapor]

@languid temple

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-ltg-mods-fossilize-this-user-mods-gif-14547219816455503839

[languid temple]

!softban 769887313806229564 account compromised; change password

[regal lake]

Done. Enough chaos.

[pulsar locust]

Mods, blkdiscard their ssd

[sinful bronze]

Discord mod's snipers was sent to this person

[soft turtle]

This is really weird. For some reason, the event hasn't unsubscribe again.
I added a check to each event to ensure it unsubscribe again.

[unique crane]

Ill check it out later

[unique crane]

facts

[worn gull]

I'm just curious wdym by limitied?

[upper vapor]

limesz n to infinity

[thin shuttle]

what ??

[unique crane]

Can you tell us what were you doing? You might be playing with something that you probably shouldnt

[worn gull]

Ahhelnah

That is my nightmare 💀

[upper vapor]

Gotta love calculus

[worn gull]

(I failed that class and I need to re-take it at September)

[upper vapor]

I've forgotten most of it (we learned it last semester)

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1387522145294356500/attachment-3-1.gif

[worn gull]

Next semester we will learn OOP

[worn gull]

BTW when will be K.A.T.I.E in the base game

[upper vapor]

@Mátyus Katalin

[next jungle]

everything seems to be very bound to predefined behaviours and doing anything outside of that requires you to directly modify the library

[restive turret]

me when i cant even get my classes assigned

[worn gull]

Me when i have 3 class at the same time and I need to write 10000 emails to arrange it

How can I get this working NamingRulesManager.ClientFetchReceived(player.Team, player.UnitId) it gives me an empty String

[unique crane]

Because its for client?

[worn gull]

Oh

[unique crane]

It uses GeneratedNames which is populated by received the message

so its empty

=> return string.empty

[upper vapor]

The client in "client" stands for "not server"

Crazy ik

[worn gull]

Yeah then how can I get the unit?

[unique crane]

If we dont have player property for that (which we probably dont), you will have to store them locally via a patch I guess

unless there is other way

Also make a suggestion in case it doesnt exist

[upper vapor]

We do I'm pretty sure

UnitName

[wary gust]

The guy asked this in EXILED discord and what @someone arrived at was that they wanted to fake sync the role of players that shouldn't be seen I think?
Idk here is a screenshot of almost the entire conversation and like if you are in the discord (#656674085425643534 message):

maybe I shouldn't have pinged but it's kinda late now so

[hearty shard]

conclusion

we sell slime boy

[restive turret]

@thin shuttle
Can you check if https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/340 happens only in there or it has other places:

SnowballProjectile
AlphaWarheadController
Metal
Spicy
Strangled
FpcMotor
Scp106Attack
Scp939LungeAbility

I seen other places for effects that doesnt really matter (multiplying and trying to dmg you again)

& also the DC image is unabailable

[thin shuttle]

I verified all of them

[thin shuttle]

Just put it on discord and you would have access

[restive turret]

ah the falldamage one

[thin shuttle]

I write info on all of them

So should be easy to put a fix

[restive turret]

I validated all of those

i give you a list where i found them but if you find more lmk

[thin shuttle]

I verified by checking every method that use DealDamage so we should be good

Can i suggest to add new DamageHandler for few damage?

Like being killed by bulkdoor give you info what door killed you

That would be good for dev side

[restive turret]

Create a list and pass it down the github issue / ideas

[thin shuttle]

Also thanks for that because it's has been bug i have never been able to request QA to fix because of requiring GodMod to reproduced lol

I will also report the Scp939 camera bug
And Scp106 can't go through door (but please with an addition to permit to make than 106 can't go through door

[restive turret]

939 camera bug? what

106 cant go tru doors after being re-set to its role is no idea why happening

[thin shuttle]

@restive turret they are both same bug

They arent correctly reset

When changedRole

To the same

It's something on client side

So i can't help you more than that

And camera is about when you prepare jump as 939

[swift nexus]

it's an old issue that is caused by RA not resetting the role properly

specifically the camera angle

in lunge

[thin shuttle]

Yeah

Not QA accepted bug

Tho it's annoying

Lol

https://github.com/Exiled-Team/EXILED/issues/2325

On our old github

Lol

[restive turret]

addding artifical 0.2 waiting time when resetting to a role

[thin shuttle]

Cursed

And probably won't fix

Because i thinks it's just not reapply for 939 at least

For 106 idk how that happened

[restive turret]

ye we had that bug for 106 custom roles

i added artifical waiting time to set the role again

[thin shuttle]

?

That not fixing it

[restive turret]

I wasnt at NW atp so

[thin shuttle]

I talk

You keep the bug even with this

[restive turret]

ya i know i just ignoring it and doing another band-aid fix

[upper vapor]

We should just rewrite the role system

[thin shuttle]

why ?

[upper vapor]

Because it has design flaws

[thin shuttle]

why you guys at NW always want to rewrite everything i do get it for old stuff but Role system isn't old

[upper vapor]

Like
Stateful rpcs

At cyn (they're no longer in the server afaik)

[thin shuttle]

Weapon have been rewrited/modify every update

[thin shuttle]

What is "cyn" meaning ?

[hearty shard]

a person

a human being

[upper vapor]

Yeah

[hearty shard]

damn buddy vanished

average sl dev

[thin shuttle]

His account is so young

@upper vapor @restive turret do you guys know why RoleTypeId.Custom has been kept ?

Has it's never been a things on it

And beens here since 939 rework

That was 4 years ago

[upper vapor]

Surprise perhaps

Idk tbh

They probably didn't want to break the roles following that

[restive turret]

prob not to break million things

[upper vapor]

@mild ice craziest post moderation ever conceived

[mild ice]

There was a minor spelling mistake I just had to fix lol

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-thanos-thanos-snap-dust-gif-16037423944121739362

valid tbh

[thin shuttle]

I have been told by nw staff that this wouldn't be developed

[hearty shard]

prob cuz it wont

[thin shuttle]

Yeah

[upper vapor]

let's do this in SL

[thin shuttle]

https://youtu.be/PI0kR7LdJV0?si=GcawqUWxPc7ghImS

is it possible to get old Audio back ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/785689699053600848.webp?size=48&name=kek~2&lossless=true

[thin shuttle]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/305

why this is not accepted

[icy knoll]

if it's closed, that means it's not accepted. just because no response doesn't mean it's not accepted

[thin shuttle]

can you add imported :3

[icy knoll]

what

[restive turret]

because I only searched "idea" in the description when I mass-imported things one day

[thin shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1462865458020745218/1465675318583885824/image.png?ex=6979f802&is=6978a682&hm=5d4fd2866b85fca6e2244069c96f38a8daa1fa55417d52df54d635b8aa050650&

NW Command trying to use ClientSide command on a ServerSide command

@icy knoll could you fix it please :3

we at the moment can't remove line but it's was clearly intented to be possible

also i thinks the above method should call CleanupExpiredLine after it's finish modifying _timeStamp

[sinful bronze]

i allow to do this

[thin shuttle]

?

[sinful bronze]

i allow you use ClientSide command on a ServerSide command

only for you

no one must know

[thin shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/785689699053600848.webp?size=48&name=kek~2&lossless=true

[icy knoll]

I'm on loa

[thin shuttle]

can you write it on your name :3

[icy knoll]

no

[upper vapor]

laziness of amazement

[restive turret]

prob only tested in-editor and got forgotten

[thin shuttle]

Yeah

That why i notify it to here and to beryl

[soft turtle]

How can I give SCP-106 the ability to stay underground indefinitely?

[real spade]

help

        public string HudTemplate { get; set; } =
            "<align=left><pos=-45%><size=25></size> <size=15>TPS {tps}</size>\n" +
            "__________________________________\n" +
            "<size=20>ИНФОРМАЦИЯ О ПЕРСОНАЖЕ</size>\n" +
            "Имя: {name} | ID: {id}\n" +
            "CInfo: {cinfo}\n" +
            "__________________________________\n" +
            "<size=20>ИНФОРМАЦИЯ О РАУНДЕ</size>\n" +
            "Живых игроков: {alive}\n" +
            "Время: {time}\n" +
            "__________________________________</pos></align>";```

what code is needed to display setname?

[halcyon kite]

player.DisplayNickname

Или что то такое

[real spade]

да мне надо чтоб было видно setname а то не работает

в коде видно

[real spade]

help

[upper vapor]

PluginAPI doesn't exist anymore

[real spade]

and how to write a plugin

[wary gust]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/tree/master/LabApi.Examples

Look at the examples or other plugins made by other people.
Or I think are also docs but no clue where

[upper vapor]

!c#

[regal lake]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/

[upper vapor]

And check out the labapi wiki too

[restive turret]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/blob/master/LabApi.Examples/HelloWorld/HelloWorldPlugin-Custom/HelloWorldPlugin.cs

CustomHandlersManager.RegisterEventsHandler(Events);

I dont think there is even an EventManager

[upper vapor]

Please learn C#

[sinful bronze]

Vibe code of mind

[wary gust]

There is a chance it's just really old code like plugin API / smod era. I wouldn't know tho

[rustic pecan]

Speaking of Logs...
I am like super new rn, but when I need logs I use:

using Logger = LabApi.Features.Console.Logger;
And then instead of Log.Error type Logger.Error

[hazy kelp]

uh...Log --> Logger

man, you need to read tutorial

[rustic pecan]

Also could anyone help me plz, how can I add some clarification text for commands like the yellow text on the screenshot?

I made a new command but when I type it in RA it just shows the command itself without the parameters which I want to be shown like here

Sry for dumb question

[upper vapor]

IUsageProvider

Implement that

[rustic pecan]

Ty!
It worked

Also can anyone advise a good guide for beginners?

[upper vapor]

Np

[upper vapor]

For beginner labapi devs (with prior C# knowledge) you can have a look at our wiki
It's not very detailed, so also check out the examples in the repository, and have a look at others' plugins, or just ask away

[rustic pecan]

K, got it)
Yeah I have some basic knowledge of C#, finally something useful from 4 years of studying in college 💀

Ty!

[upper vapor]

Np

[upper vapor]

I bet they taught like C# 6 or something

[restive turret]

.netcore 2

[obtuse spruce]

is there an easy way to change the clipSize on an Firearm ?

[restive turret]

Only conplicated

Check some interface

[unique crane]

FirearmItem::MaxAmmo or something like that

[obtuse spruce]

make MaxAmmo has a setter

[unique crane]

Quite sure it does

ou

[obtuse spruce]

MaxAmmo has a getter only and we have ChamberMax

with a setter

[static meteor]

Patch it

    [HarmonyPatch(typeof(MagazineModule), nameof(MagazineModule.AmmoMax), MethodType.Getter)]
    internal static class MaxAmmoPatch
    {
        [HarmonyPostfix]
        public static void Postfix(MagazineModule __instance, ref int __result)
        {
            if (Utilities.TryGetSummonedCustomItem(__instance.Firearm.ItemSerial, out var summonedCustomItem) && summonedCustomItem.CustomItem.CustomData is WeaponData wd)
            {
                __result = wd.MaxMagazineAmmo;
                __instance.ServerResyncData();
            }

[unique crane]

oh yea I didnt add it because I didnt do proper server -> client sync of the max value

You can set it via a patch or something

but on client it will look like
60/20

or such

[obtuse spruce]

Love u man

[static meteor]

You'll also have to do this too

    [HarmonyPatch(typeof(AttachmentsUtils), nameof(AttachmentsUtils.AttachmentsValue))]
    public static class AttachmentParameterPatch
    {
        public static void Postfix(Firearm firearm, AttachmentParam param, ref float __result)
        {
            if ((firearm.IsSummonedCustomItem() || firearm.IsSummonedAPICustomItem()) && param is AttachmentParam.MagazineCapacityModifier)
                __result = 0f;
        }
    }

[carmine prawn]

patch all assembly💀

[obtuse spruce]

hope you will add it on 15.0 cuz...

[obtuse spruce]

Thank man

[upper vapor]

.net copium 2

[upper vapor]

We'll rewrite everything

[strong lagoon]

Hi all I was wondering if anyone is available for plugin dev work?

[static meteor]

What did you want it may already exist

[next jungle]

uhhh what was the way to change playeer vc to scp one?

[hearty shard]

check proximity chat

[static meteor]

Iirc it crashes the client when you try to change it

[hearty shard]

nah

thats 106 issue

[strong lagoon]

we are more so just looking for a plugin dev as our coder is basically doing everything by himself and we are just looking for help, the server is going to have plugins inspired by chaos theory, candy cult, and dr brights

[next jungle]

wait so its not possible?

[hearty shard]

i mean it crashes if you make 106 speak in not scpchat

well

specifically in prox chat

[static meteor]

never tried it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[next jungle]

yea im trying to make tutorial speak in scpchat

i did it once but forgot how

[hearty shard]

https://github.com/Jesus-QC/ScpProximityChat/blob/master/ScpProximityChat/Features/ScpProximityChatHandler.cs

its old

but it is the way thats used

[static meteor]

Might be able to see how overwatch allows incoming scp chat if its server-side

[strong lagoon]

if anyone is Available to help please reach out.

[hearty shard]

you should prob start by specifying whether youll pay the devs

[strong lagoon]

Yes

we plan on paying

[strong lagoon]

Is this the one candy cult and brights use?

[hearty shard]

dunno

no clue tf candy cult is and afaik brights uses private source plugins only

i gave one that turns scp -> proximity chat

it is the same concept for reversing that one

well actually it prob isnt, seeing as its last updated 2 years ago

[upper vapor]

SendingVoiceMessage event

[restive turret]

well most server have their code privated for reasons

[icy knoll]

imagine doing that smh

[restive turret]

most of the plugins you see it is mostly custom made

[icy knoll]

yes

in my case, all the plugins we use are open source, including our custom one

[next jungle]

just set channel?

[upper vapor]

should work hopefully

there's a base-game issue related to a reported bug, the channel isn't read back properly
hopefully we'll get a fix out sometime

[obtuse spruce]

Wait whut ? For real ?

GL NW Gamerzzz

break ur code but dont break my heart and my labApi

[next jungle]

i mean that just sends it in there, i want to like move the player fully to be in scp channel

[upper vapor]

no

[upper vapor]

labapi 2 will introduce a lot of breaking changes

[upper vapor]

subscribe to the receiving event too in that case

[unique crane]

LabAPI... 2

-epic orchestral music-

[obtuse spruce]

kinda obvious ig

[hearty shard]

evil thoughts

[sinful bronze]

server mod 2

[upper vapor]

🫦

okay

so

type fear

in the emoji picker

and this is what you get

[restive turret]

smod2?

[upper vapor]

[sinful bronze]

scariest stories

[upper vapor]

discord is working flawlessly 100% of the time

ofc

ofc

[ashen hound]

I hope I see some nice number of people during saturdays stage lol

[true cedar]

boycotting it until we get arbitrary code execution on the client

[sinful bronze]

992

ppl will on stage

[spare zodiac]

no fucking way

[celest thorn]

ngl guys

[mild ice]

What if that's what we're announcing

[celest thorn]

this game sucks

[spare zodiac]

+1

[slender lynx]

next update add rce

[unique crane]

Its that shrimple

[white badge]

sounds exciting

[worn gull]

I thought Labapi 6.7.0 released becuase of the ping

[spare zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1361271976756510733/1449863857194405898/togif.gif

[celest thorn]

nah bro im gonna speak out until primitive triangles get added

btw my suggestion is upvoted and one of the most upvoted

[spare zodiac]

it's interesting that they haven't been added yet

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-sora-ai-time-is-ticking-white-rabbit-pointing-at-a-clock-nivins-mctwisp-gif-5968741641474765393

[upper vapor]

lmfao

[upper vapor]

you'll be gone by the time we get there (there is a possibility that it will never happen)

[upper vapor]

sora

[celest thorn]

im not surprised

gold fish intelligence

for a triangle

[upper vapor]

mirror emoji

[restive turret]

give me more primitve types to add

[celest thorn]

im sorry but i don't work for NW

[restive turret]

if exceed 5 i consider

[upper vapor]

cat

[celest thorn]

triangle

[sinful bronze]

textures

[celest thorn]

bro a CAPYBARA made it before a triangle

[upper vapor]

priorities, people

[celest thorn]

bro none is fucking using capybaras lol

[sinful bronze]

i am

[celest thorn]

triangle would help the world

[sinful bronze]

i use capybaras as mountains

[upper vapor]

no it wouldn't

it's not enough

[sinful bronze]

fix skybox

[upper vapor]

Mt. Capy (8848m)

[terse bone]

yeaa.. we will have spawnable hube and huball before triangles

[celest thorn]

ngl i forgot how the mentality was here

[teal junco]

triange would be cool but it isnt super broadly useful

[upper vapor]

THIS GUY GETS IT

[teal junco]

I would like a regular triangle, and right triangle, along with 30 60 90

[celest thorn]

bro what type of monkey brain are you using?

like ngl install last patch

buy it with eddies

[restive turret]

wdym with 30 60 90?

[teal junco]

30 degre 60 degree 90 degree

[upper vapor]

angle

[celest thorn]

you know a plane triangle would change alot of stuff

[sinful bronze]

okay i will use my brain to 100%

fix dummies

[upper vapor]

okay

[teal junco]

plane triangle?

[celest thorn]

dummies are so cooked its not even worth

[upper vapor]

make a triangle in blender

import it

[teal junco]

what is that

[upper vapor]

into unity

and show how you make any model

[celest thorn]

Bro i swear im gonna punch you

THERE'S ALREADY A PRESET ON BLENDER

[gilded thicket]

im sorry

[sinful bronze]

we can just open a suggestion tab in lab api and maybe find new features

[gilded thicket]

i believe in you

i regret my action

[teal junco]

convert to a specific type of triangle?

[upper vapor]

so which one is it

[teal junco]

cant you also do that with quads

[vast canopy]

1 announce made this chat into a chaos within 1 minute

[celest thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOlEkuwrdfg

[vast canopy]

[teal junco]

Zerotwo are you talking about changing every face to a specific type of triangle?

[celest thorn]

I bet a nw staff has 2 minutes of their life to follow a tutorial

[celest thorn]

no

[vast canopy]

Gimme torus

I want to make donuts

[celest thorn]

Im talking about a fucking triangle that is flat or the base of computer graphics

[upper vapor]

okay, for the purpose of this conversation, we will assume you have your triangle model that you wanted
tell me how in the world you plan on making any arbitrary model out of that purely in unity by using transforms

[celest thorn]

with a plane triangle you can do that

lol

[terse bone]

u mean tokamak fusion reactors?

[teal junco]

Unless youre talking about a fully customizable triangle toy then you cannot make any arbitrary mesh with it

[vast canopy]

Well..

[gilded thicket]

import blender
blender.createModel()

like this

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

Jumps and angles and stuff that you can make so much stuff

[teal junco]

Plus it would be so extremely unperformant anyways

[upper vapor]

purely in unity by using transforms

[celest thorn]

Like who tf is talking about meshes

[gilded thicket]

import openai
openai.chat("make what axwabo said")

[celest thorn]

im just saying a triangle would benefit ACTUALLY creating new stuff

[sinful bronze]

custom map generator

[upper vapor]

you want your own model
so you're creating a mesh, effectively

you can't make any model just with one triangle

[celest thorn]

Example when me and maro were creating a specific jumps with triangles and we used 30 cubes just for that when that would simplify the entire process

[upper vapor]

one triangle is nothing 😭

[teal junco]

What exactly do you want to use a triangle for

[vast canopy]

Its hardly to say what even can make modding reflexable at the moment

[upper vapor]

goku

[teal junco]

Is it just jumps

[upper vapor]

she wants to make goku

[vast canopy]

Like. We r punching the wall rn

No?

[upper vapor]

pretty much

[gilded thicket]

bruh if u wanna make a tirangle just use pythagore theoreme

[celest thorn]

That was a fucking joke

goof ball

[stable falcon]

Oof-

[upper vapor]

genius machine

[celest thorn]

How tf that would help im sorry? if i wanna make a reverse so not the outside but the inside??????

[teal junco]

Use trigonometry

Use geonometry

[upper vapor]

okay but show me the math and code that will convert your model to transforms
you can only use an empty object and your one triangle that you made
duplicate as many times as you want

[halcyon folio]

Primitive triangles?

[celest thorn]

you know you could spend less resources on making that because out of cubes

[gilded thicket]

nah like a^2 + b^2 = c^3

[vast canopy]

I think im gonna make bingo list for the stage

[celest thorn]

it cost more for the gpu to render

rather than have a triangle already in the game

[halcyon folio]

Where's everyone going, bingo?

[teal junco]

Yes triangles are good because more is always better but its not lifechanging

[upper vapor]

one triangle still doesn't solve your issue????

[gilded thicket]

bruh have yall not been in school or smth, just make 3 cube one is a b c and do import math and math.pythagore(a b c)

[upper vapor]

ask about how you'll use it
no answer

[vast canopy]

Into [REDACTED]

[upper vapor]

[halcyon folio]

What do you need a primitive triangle for?

[celest thorn]

I JUST DID

[celest thorn]

.

[stable falcon]

yo russian user: goshsha

[gilded thicket]

cuz primitive triangle has non customizable angle so u should do with 3 cube and pythagore import math

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

answer this

[vast canopy]

goshsha

[gilded thicket]

why everyone ignoring my idea

[upper vapor]

i hope you realize that you can't make any shape if you only have a triangle

[upper vapor]

THISSSSS

[celest thorn]

BUT it uses more gpu and more collider its just a waste of resources FOR JUST ONE TRIANGLE

[upper vapor]

what are you talking about

[stable falcon]

ye

[upper vapor]

you want literally one single triangle in your scene?

[celest thorn]

ok tell me something

[upper vapor]

i think you passed geometry in math

[teal junco]

Sorry

[celest thorn]

This is a cube

how the gpu draws it

and a cube is composed of triangles

instead of drawing useless triangles

[terse bone]

microoptimization

[celest thorn]

we just use one

[upper vapor]

so you want a ramp or something
but for complex stuff, a specific triangle isn't sufficient

[celest thorn]

optimization

[gilded thicket]

son

[upper vapor]

wait until you hear about 1M primitives on 1 server

[celest thorn]

its not if you have 20 triangles composed of 20 primitives

[gilded thicket]

now make the cube taller

[vast canopy]

I think i saw one

[celest thorn]

how would that create a triangle????

[gilded thicket]

pythagore

[halcyon folio]

The story of a developers need for triangles

[thin shuttle]

There no problem to have 1M primitive on a server if you unload them when unused

[upper vapor]

correct

[celest thorn]

WHY you need to use 20 cubes to create a triangle, when you can use a TRIANGLE to not draw 2000 more

[teal junco]

Okay sure

a triangle is good for being a triangle, it just isnt the most amazing thing ever

[upper vapor]

yes

[topaz yacht]

Why is someone asking about a triangle primitive?

[upper vapor]

maybe because someone is obsessed with them...

[celest thorn]

i remember now why i left

[upper vapor]

you should've right

[celest thorn]

im not im pointing out one of the most obv thing in the universe

[thin shuttle]

From a triangle you can do everything