plugins-dev-chat

[slate flume]

Yes, I know

Why is that relevant to anything I just said

[worn gull]

When new build of SiteLink

[upper vapor]

Just compile it yourself

[soft turtle]

What method is used to check SCP-939's rotation for damage?

I can't find it

[upper vapor]

939's rotation for damage?

[soft turtle]

Yes, I want to write an anti psilentaim.

[upper vapor]

A what

[celest thorn]

just get the rotation when they damage

[celest thorn]

and btw what you wanna accomplish fix just one side of the problem

[hardy prawn]

@fathom holly

[still notch]

please help me

i want to spawn a door at a certain position depending on it's parent but it keep spawning like the local pos i put is the global pos (but when i teleport at 0 0 0 the datas say i'm at the intended pos and debugging door pos said it was okay so it's 100% client side but idk how)
idk if i'm explicit

[hearty shard]

show code

[still notch]

mmmh it's technically a part of a bigger code made for schematics so i can't really show u the exact thing but here is the code for the door:

public static SpawnableBehaviour SpawnObject(SpawnableType type, string subType, Transform parent)
{
...

                case SpawnableType.Door:
                    Log.Assert(!string.IsNullOrEmpty(subType), $"{nameof(subType)} is empty");
                    DoorType doorType = (DoorType)Enum.Parse(typeof(DoorType), subType!, true);
                    DoorVariant door = PrefabHelper.Spawn<DoorVariant>(DoorTypeToPrefabType(doorType));
                    
                    if (door.TryGetComponent(out DoorRandomInitialStateExtension doorRandomInitialStateExtension))
                        Object.Destroy(doorRandomInitialStateExtension);
                    
                    spawnable = door.gameObject.AddComponent<DoorBehaviour>();
                    break;
...

            spawnable.transform.SetParent(parent);
            NetworkServer.Spawn(spawnable.gameObject);

            return spawnable;
}

...
t = Utils.SpawnObject(st, subType, parent);

t.Deserialize(reader);
t.OnUpdate();
Spawnables.Add(t);
...

[hearty shard]

wheres the position setter

[still notch]

and the result is: (for the third picture i just teleported at 0 0 0)

[still notch]

# SpawnableBehaviour
public Vector3 Position
{
    get => transform.localPosition;
    set
    {
        transform.localPosition = value;
        OnUpdate();
    }
}

public virtual void OnUpdate()
{
    NetworkServer.UnSpawn(gameObject);
    NetworkServer.Spawn(gameObject);
}

public virtual void Deserialize(BinaryReader reader)
{
    Name = reader.Read<string>();
    Id = reader.Read<string>();
    
    Position = reader.Read<Vector3>();
    Rotation = reader.Read<Quaternion>();
    Scale = reader.Read<Vector3>();
}

# DoorBehaviour

public override void Deserialize(BinaryReader reader)
{
    base.Deserialize(reader);
    
    Permissions = reader.Read<DoorPermissionFlags>();
    MaxHealth = reader.Read<float>();
    Health = MaxHealth;
    LockMode = reader.Read<bool>() ? DoorLockReason.AdminCommand : DoorLockReason.None;
}

[restive turret]

wtf

public virtual void OnUpdate()
{
NetworkServer.UnSpawn(gameObject);
NetworkServer.Spawn(gameObject);
}

[upper vapor]

sloc gets around this by doing some crazy mirror hacks

you're better off just not parenting the door

[upper vapor]

peekaboo ahh code

[upper vapor]

you're probably making the 5th map editor i know about

[still notch]

somme code never really used because everything just override OnUpdate without calling the base method

[still notch]

yea

[still notch]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-gif-358126946326466778

[celest thorn]

what are you even trying to do?

[still notch]

Map Editor

[celest thorn]

how?

[still notch]

?

[celest thorn]

like what are you trying to accomplish a more optimized or what

[still notch]

more optimized, taking less space, up to date and better unity editor

[celest thorn]

hmm another meow editor

i see

im gonna warn you

you will loose brain cells

[upper vapor]

not sure how much more optimized can you make it lmao

[celest thorn]

Meow was impossible to make it more optimized

[upper vapor]

"better unity editor"
just make a new unity

[still notch]

because it's not lol i was joking

[still notch]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-lebron-james-dragon-toothless-explosion-gif-15708246344014196835

a hell nah

[upper vapor]

it's just your editor

[upper vapor]

train your lebron is crazy

[slate flume]

🗣️

https://tenor.com/view/unity-die-unity-unity-3d-gif-8224532533174177469

[cyan crown]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-23724608

unity so dih i'm trying unreal engine now

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/jover-gif-16964140724042266462

[teal junco]

"minecraft of all games complicated" 😭

[tulip kiln]

Who would have thought that random youtube commenters would be clueless

I always love these types of videos

the comment section is quite a ride

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1424119912900595834/1426751906729951242/tenor.gif

[obtuse spruce]

MER V2 ?

[still notch]

we already talked to that but yeah i try

[obtuse spruce]

For Christmas, Im asking Santa to grant me the transition from Unity to CoreCLR

[obtuse spruce]

oh yea i remember now

[still notch]

but i still can't figure out why doors act just sooo weird

[obtuse spruce]

cuz doors are more complicated that we think it was

[still notch]

doors ❌ Mirror

[obtuse spruce]

both

[still notch]

ye

[obtuse spruce]

btw im reading but not sure doors can be parented

same reason MER didnt permit to spawn it directly in a schematic i guess

waypoint shit

[still notch]

it can server side, but not client side

but if i remove the parenting they just completly vanish

[still notch]

MER don't permit ?!?

i trough it was

[obtuse spruce]

yea of course but client side receive the localPos but didn't have the transform RPC so if the localPos is 0, 5, 0 for the server it will be the same on the client and if the client cant change the parent, local will be the worldPos

i hope i explain correctly cuz yk im french

same shit with SpawnableClutter

[obtuse spruce]

only with a Map. But map just spawn stuff without changing the parent

[still notch]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silk-song-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-hornet-gif-9486712578214888028

[still notch]

i see

so it will be the same for lockers and workstation ?

[obtuse spruce]

i guess yea

same for camera too

[still notch]

not for cams

[obtuse spruce]

yea i was not sure

[still notch]

it work

[obtuse spruce]

it was a toy so mb

and toy has the parent RPC

[still notch]

i think it work only for toys

[obtuse spruce]

cuz AdminToy has an RPC when you change the transform parent

[still notch]

yea i remember when they added that

[obtuse spruce]

yea

[still notch]

so when we will have DoorToy WorkstationToy and LockerToy 😭

[obtuse spruce]

bad idea

take a lot of time for nothing

code smth to make possible to create MER Map via unity and you will be happy

[still notch]

wdym, you can't create MER Map with Unity anymore ?

[obtuse spruce]

you can create schematic but not a map

both are different and work different too

[still notch]

oh yeah I read it wrong mb

anyway thanks for the help

[obtuse spruce]

and if i can give u last tips

• Forgot about binary format, useless, you loose the readability for just a bit of space on a disk
• Make a fork of ProjectMER instead of remaking it (if it was not just to challenge yourself)

fck binary format

[still notch]

Both was a challenge for myself

1 to learn binary (hard af)
1 to learn network (fuck mirror)

[obtuse spruce]

if it was to challenge for yourself forgot what im saying :))

[obtuse spruce]

+1

[spare zodiac]

binary formats are really interesting idea

[still notch]

but in fact we can save a lot of space with binary + compile animation file inside (But we loose readability)

[still notch]

• i have a checksum system that made any change just not possible inside the file so it's a compromise, both json and binary have their own advantage and inconvenience

[spare zodiac]

why would you need readibility though?

[still notch]

for debug and sometime peoples want to watch inside the file or changing some values inside the file (for exemple color/position)

but i really wanted to learn how to use binary so i preferred binary

[hearty shard]

meh i feel like you could just

[restive turret]

its not that hard

[hearty shard]

make them have ability to parent

instead of making toys for it

cuz theyre already spawnable

[still notch]

binary or network ?

binary is not hard when you understand it but networking....

[restive turret]

you want fakesync or fakespawn?

[still notch]

fake nothing

[restive turret]

huh

I think you can use BinaryWriter + MemoryStream

[still notch]

for binary ?

or for networking i still don't understnad

[restive turret]

i dont know what u need tho

[upper vapor]

You gotta reach Santa's age first

[red pine]

axwabo dm

[upper vapor]

What

[spare zodiac]

you could make commands to change the values

[still notch]

why not

[upper vapor]

You can just

Make a standalone editor

[obtuse spruce]

With the MER package for unity you can build schematic but not an MER Map

[carmine prawn]

💀

are audio players based on fake players still working properly?

[upper vapor]

Define MER map

[upper vapor]

SpeakerToy

[restive turret]

SquekerToy

[carmine prawn]

SpeakerToy is great, but it has more serious audio ducking

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/268

[upper vapor]

That happens

I'd like to add a give devs a loy more control over speakertoys but no idea if it gets accepted

[carmine prawn]

more plz

[upper vapor]

Yeah :(

[upper vapor]

imagine if you could do the audio part of this in SL
(headphpnes recommended)
spread, doppler level, custom rolloff etc

[celest thorn]

my microwave

and btw you can

but we can't

[upper vapor]

Real

[celest thorn]

ngl i love tubes that make the sound of a microwave

[upper vapor]

I don't think this sounds anything remotely like a microwave 😭

[celest thorn]

they do

https://youtu.be/F5x_IsqT3qQ?t=3

look at this

its the exact same lol

[upper vapor]

Who's they

https://tenor.com/view/we-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-14928204287258878513

[restive turret]

https://tenor.com/view/they-got-him-ted-ted-show-gif-4342699035732514153

[celest thorn]

ok

[static meteor]

As a person who's only heard freight trains this sounds really weird

[upper vapor]

You haven't seen an EMU?

[static meteor]

Im american ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper vapor]

Lmao

Yeah the freight trains are pretty common there

I wouldn't wish to ride Amtrak ngl

[static meteor]

the newer ones are nice iirc but its more expensive than flying

[upper vapor]

https://youtu.be/Y18jlBuGSpM

Here

[upper vapor]

For long-distance travel ig yeah
But short-haul flights are stupid

Like you're in the air for an hour, maybe 2, plus 2h boarding, customs & shit
While you get on a train, ride for 4h and you get off, you can be productive during 99% of the journey

(Electric trains are also far more eco-friendly)

And there are no baggage size/weight restrictions on trains (except of you're taking Via rail xd)

But maybe don't bring a donkey and a goat on the train

[still notch]

that's planned btw

[upper vapor]

Crazy

[royal mica]

wtf MÁV in SL is crazy

cannot wait to spawn as MTF and have to wait 10 minutes cause train is late

[upper vapor]

XDDD

pov biztber

https://tenor.com/view/running-run-away-fall-slip-gif-24136540

[celest thorn]

bober kurva

is what i hear

[upper vapor]

skill issue

[teal junco]

anything but plugin dev

[restive turret]

develop plugins then

[unique crane]

#dev(?)-general

[upper vapor]

XDD

[celest thorn]

general chat is bad

this one is bad

every chat is bad

no more talking

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/lazar-figyel-are-you-serious-are-you-kidding-me-wtf-seriously-gif-6154405

[static meteor]

Guh

[hearty shard]

ha!

[teal junco]

i decided to take a break

my friend suggested i try gmod instead

Maybe that will relieve some of the pain from sl modding

[upper vapor]

XD

[hearty shard]

damn..

[upper vapor]

who tf came up with your grading system

[hearty shard]

satan

probably

[upper vapor]

that checks out

[celest thorn]

me

[hearty shard]

ofc

[unique crane]

eve did

as always

[pastel bramble]

yo no plugins but a question in general i mean could be plugin related? but anyway i wanna balance out 096 by making it so that 096 and 173 dont spawn together when there is less than like 7 people lets say for balance cause both of them are just too op and it makes everyone rage quit which i dont want any way to actually do this or is there a plugin or something that solves this issue

[icy knoll]

more than 1 scp cant spawn until 8 players anyway lol

but ig you can check the role changed event, see if they are x scp, if they are check if y scp exists, if they do, change them to a diff scp

[slate flume]

They should just implement my idea already

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/238

[pastel bramble]

Thanks a lot IL have a look

[restive turret]

would need rework on spawning system

[icy knoll]

yeah

because round starting is done

then roles are calculated

[restive turret]

OnRoleSelecting

[icy knoll]

yeah, would work

[upper vapor]

just submit a PR to base game, rewriting the role assigner

[slate flume]

This actually brings up an interesting question

For LabAPI, is it more likely to get your idea accepted if you make a PR?

[restive turret]

zero clue

[grand flower]

Probably simpler to get your stuff in, if you do the job for them

[unique crane]

Still up for Jesus for when to merge it

[static meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1445169070335852746/1445921337242685510/Desktop_2025.12.03_-_17.28.14.01.mp4?ex=69321aae&is=6930c92e&hm=63d4f8e4ae496c52009c58a1045f383a474595f61611a85d2e7238b0396489ed&

[celest thorn]

Ngl not something too crazy but gg that someone added it

[static meteor]

Im too lazy to get the materials for the clutter objects

[worn gull]

How did Lázár spawn here xd

[upper vapor]

Laser are you kidding me gif

/summon John Laser

Is that what you want?

[restive turret]

Didn't know you can spawn clusters

[spare zodiac]

you can even spawn the bridges?

[static meteor]

Bridges?

[upper vapor]

You mean clutter

Yeah some of those are in the prefab list for obvious reasons

[restive turret]

:duckass:

[restive turret]

Ye that, i think in code that's a cluster

[static meteor]

Do you mean the Waterfall bridge?

[spare zodiac]

I mean the ones you have in video

[static meteor]

This?

[spare zodiac]

ye

[static meteor]

I made that

[plush glade]

still can't edit the map 😮‍💨

[soft turtle]

How to create an item?

[plush glade]

Dawg there’s something like

Item.Create(ItemType)

I don’t remember the exact method

But yours is way over complicated

[hearty shard]

r u trying to give a player an item?

or create one on the ground

[soft turtle]

Both

[hearty shard]

Pickup.Create(ItemType.Scp207, player.Position)

player.AddItem(ItemType.Scp207)

[soft turtle]

The problem is that I need to save the SerialID of the item

[hearty shard]

player.AddItem(ItemType.Scp207)?.Serial

[soft turtle]

Hmm

[soft turtle]

Ok thx

[restive turret]

AddItem return the item itself

[soft turtle]

How to spawn and detonate a grenade?

[restive turret]

Discord and it's unabulity to play any video

[upper vapor]

ExplosiveGrenadeProjectile.SpawnActive

[upper vapor]

[soft turtle]

How to destroy an item in a player's hand?
ev.Player.CurrentItem.MoveTo(Server.Host) - Doesn't work

[hearty shard]

do you mean fully destroy

or just

not have the player have it

but be used in the future

[static meteor]

Player.RemoveItem(Player.CurrentItem) iirc

[hearty shard]

that fully destroys it iirc

[soft turtle]

Fully destroy

[upper vapor]

Check for null first

[soft turtle]

Already

[soft turtle]

The item is simply thrown down

[static meteor]

Huh

It shouldn't be

[soft turtle]

Sorry, I just uploaded the plugin build to the wrong folder.

XD

[warped prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-please-do-not-the-cat-gif-11013093716903899251

[restive turret]

@celest thorn

[icy knoll]

this is literally me

[median edge]

jesus te amo

[teal junco]

thats random

[slate flume]

So uh

When are we gonna be able to change reverb on speakertoys

[upper vapor]

In >14.2.2 probably

[upper vapor]

So real

[celest thorn]

For a second you got my hopes up it was Descartes then nah

[pulsar locust]

Not a number

[upper vapor]

A version ain't a number anyway

[pulsar locust]

God my stomach is killing me

[timid carbon]

Why voice chat in this game js so broken? 😭 🙏

[static meteor]

ive never had any issues ¯_(ツ)_/¯

but this is known on modded servers https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1432471377616703529

[celest thorn]

because its voice chat

[upper vapor]

Welcome to general game support

[celest thorn]

the game support is NW sucks, please go away, or you will finish like all of us

[waxen kayak]

how could i change the door's button

[slate flume]

So questionnnn

We does Scp0492ConsumingCorpseEventArgs have HealIfAlreadyConsumed

Is it not actually useless without Harmony patches?

For context

You can't consume a corpse if it's already been consumed

And there's no built-in way to change that without modifying the ConsumedRagdolls hashset

And both things mean that, if you're only using LabAPI, HealIfAlreadyConsumed does literally nothing for you

Well actually maybe if you remove a ragdoll from the hashset and then add it back after the server validates it, it might work?

[restive turret]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plush glade]

This would allow it

public void Handler(Scp0492StartingConsumingCorpseEventArgs ev)
{
  ev.Error = ZombieConsumeAbility.ConsumeError.None;
}

[cedar jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cursed-stare-boring-gif-16992557675434731222

[slate flume]

I don't really know how else to phrase this but that is not relevant to a single thing I just said

This keeps happening

[plush glade]

Yes it is

[slate flume]

No it isn't

[plush glade]

You override the StartConsuming behavioiur to allow zombies to eat a corpse that is already consumed

[slate flume]

I'm talking about how HealIfAlreadyConsumed is effectively useless

[plush glade]

No it's not

[slate flume]

How is it not

[plush glade]

public override void OnEnabled()
{
    Scp0492Events.OnStartingConsumingCorpse += Starting;
    Scp0492Events.OnConsumingCorpse += Completing;
}

public void Starting(Scp0492StartingConsumingCorpseEventArgs ev)
{
    ev.Error = ZombieConsumeAbility.ConsumeError.None;
}

public void Starting(Scp0492StartingConsumingCorpseEventArgs ev)
{
    ev.HealIfAlreadyConsumed = true;
}

[slate flume]

You're showing me this as if it makes a difference

This is not a counter-point to anything I've just brought up

Is this supposed to be ragebait or something?

[plush glade]

Dawg I'n trying to answer your question

[slate flume]

Bro what do you think my question is

[slate flume]

Dawg

Ain't no way

You've misread my entire goddamn point lmao

[slate flume]

HealIfAlreadyConsumed is near pointless because ServerValidateBegin (shown in the image I posted) prevents you from consuming a corpse that was already consumed

There is no built-in way to change this behavior in LabAPI

[plush glade]

Yes there is, you override the ev.Error on StartingConsumingCorpse

But you still need to set HealIfAlreadyConsumed because the check is also done before healing the player

It checks twice if the corpse has already been consumed

When you start consuming, and when you finish

[slate flume]

Well fuck me

[plush glade]

[slate flume]

Now I look like a huge idiot

Welp

It happens

My bad I thought you were trolling me or something cause I genuinely did not make that connection lmao

You have my sincerest apology for that one

Shows just how fried I am fr

I'm in a everything-is-a-bug mindset because I just had to patch like 4 different points to get ItemApplyingEffect to work properly

[plush glade]

Good old labapi

[slate flume]

Such shit

[plush glade]

God I love transpilers

[slate flume]

I also had this exact argument except in reverse like a week ago

Over that

I'm so used to people interjecting with random bullshit 😭

[plush glade]

Yeah nah I pulled up ILSpy to check before I started talking

[slate flume]

Lmao I actively have rider open and I was staring at the code

I needed more red arrows like a clickbait thumbnail

[plush glade]

I think that would make coding better ngl

[slate flume]

Seriously

I need my SL programming AI brainrot slop hard-coded into my IDE

Also wait

Is there still no way to get the grenade that hurt a person in OnPlayerHurting?

Please tell me I'm wrong bro I can't deal with ts

[restive turret]

No clue, prob nope

[plush glade]

Is there an on grenade detonating event?

[restive turret]

Btw I already reported this, have to edit some stuff and around to make sure it runs OnUsed before OnRemoved (seriously that fucked my CustomItems many times)

[slate flume]

ServerExplosionSpawning

[slate flume]

Dude I've had the same thing

[restive turret]

Ye i don't think you can get the actual Item/Pickup on that dmghdlr

[slate flume]

It's why I shifted to effectsapplied early on, and then realized that

[slate flume]

Is it possible to get the serial or any identifying information?

[restive turret]

I dont have ILSpy open nor my windows but maybaps can check the src

[slate flume]

The only thing ExplosionDamageHandler adds is the Type 😭

Oh wait

I can

Track Footprint

From PreviousOwner

[restive turret]

Ye checked and not, I might add it or something, (or fire an Idea in github 🔥)

[upper vapor]

leave Kevin Hart alone 😭

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-mario-depressed-mario-walking-in-rain-mario-sad-depressed-gif-6943075901738095231

Discord pmo sometimes

[upper vapor]

slack pisses me off more

[slate flume]

Making changelogs I edge that 2000 character limit constantly

They want me to shill $10/month to fix it

[upper vapor]

just

or split your message

[slate flume]

But then I don't get the formatting I need

[slate flume]

People like to spam emojis on the changelogs so I try to avoid breaking them

I tend to just

Make the sentences short

Don't elaborate on anything

[upper vapor]

[restive turret]

• Fixed issues on X when Y happens

[upper vapor]

"fixes"

[restive turret]

Or just straight up send he git history commits

[upper vapor]

take it or leave it

[upper vapor]

[slate flume]

🗣️

[slate flume]

0_0

This is such fucking bullshit

[restive turret]

- Aaaaaaa
- This should fix something 
- Pievesihdshjt
- try 1
- try 3
- comeon

[slate flume]

Terrible no-good hack

PLEASE GOD WORK

Okay I think I actually got it this time

[restive turret]

I sometimes let the github copilot generate a commit msg for me

Its funny

[slate flume]

Real shit

[upper vapor]

can it

not do it

like i'm on github about to write a commit message and it overtakes me

YOU'RE COPILOT NOT THE PILOT

[restive turret]

You see bunch of "this shit might fix my issue" and a thing like "Reworked the prerelease.yml upload to releases with 7z" or smth

[restive turret]

If you press esc it will stop

[upper vapor]

HUH

i thought that would close the modal

[restive turret]

Or pressed space idk

[upper vapor]

yeah if i start typing that cancels it

but like

ugh

[upper vapor]

[warped prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1102347717277122640/1108249167140241408/C02ECC68-ACE2-4293-8992-BE67B45E6378.gif

[hearty shard]

you will bleed

[warped prairie]

goob

[pale vector]

Does someone have PlayerRoles.dll ?

[upper vapor]

what

are you looking for the namespace?

[pale vector]

i need to reference it

[upper vapor]

there's no PlayerRoles.dll though, unless you're referring to some plugin

[pale vector]

I like remember I referenced it when I was building one of my plugins that used it... then I reseted my system and lost the file in References folder

[hearty shard]

PlayerRoles is found within Assembly-CSharp.dll

OR

[upper vapor]

ye

[hearty shard]

OR

you have a plugin called the same

but prob not

[pale vector]

It wasn't a plugin

ok I found it after 3 h on old forum

[restive turret]

there is no PlayerRoles.dll

[upper vapor]

what 😭

you should install LabAPI from NuGet and get the other assembly references from the SL dedicated server (SCPSL_Data/Managed)

[restive turret]

prob older version of the game?

[upper vapor]

ah

but like

why

[hearty shard]

r u working on a plugin from pre 12.0

[pale vector]

kinda

[pale vector]

wrong

[upper vapor]

soooo this might not be the exact place you're looking for

[restive turret]

your wrong, that doesnt exists

in the new version of the game

[upper vapor]

i can probably help but maybe there are more experienced folks on the SCP:SL Classic server

[pale vector]

I'm NOT talking about new version

[upper vapor]

what does kinda mean

[restive turret]

oh

[upper vapor]

pre-12.0 or not 😭

[restive turret]

well you should have started with THAT

[pale vector]

yes, and much older

but I'm trying to update my plugin

[restive turret]

if you have the exact date you can download the older manifests I guess

[pale vector]

ok

[upper vapor]

you're trying to update

but that dll no longer exists and will not exist and will break

you need to update to the new system that does not have PlayerRoles.dll

the whole roles system was rewritten in 12.0

[pale vector]

that plugin was also using Exiled framework

[upper vapor]

then go to exiled support

[restive turret]

tbh I rather just rewrite the whole thing

[upper vapor]

unless if you wanna rewrite it for labapi

entirely

[restive turret]

either way, good luck on your adventure

[pale vector]

not PluginAPI?

[upper vapor]

nwapi is discontinued

[hearty shard]

i mean if youre on a 12.0 version then do that

[upper vapor]

you're skipping an entire historical era

[spring swan]

Yo guys I need help with smod3!

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1268683598329024563/1429944888451010722/caption.gif

[pale vector]

skipping more than that

[pale vector]

also for newest version of SCP:SL?

[upper vapor]

this is labapi

that's what we're supporting now and in the future

you can also choose to use exiled, but then you're better off asking on their discord for exiled-related stuff

i second what slejm said, it's probably best if you rewrite the entire plugin from scratch

[pale vector]

Sad to hear, after one or some years will be another framework and again I will have to rewrite everything?

[restive turret]

hopefully not

but dont expect that 3+ year things work on latest version of the game

On most of games out there and moddable it tends to break every single update

[still notch]

i kinda like that

[upper vapor]

exactly

[restive turret]

you made me rotate my head

[still notch]

x)

[upper vapor]

nwapi was not designed very well and there wasn't much effort put into allocating people to maintain it
that's why the decision was made to create an official framework from the ground up, but this time with dedicated maintainers

[icy knoll]

labapi is here to stay, but labapi 2.0 is coming, don't expect that breaking changes won't happen, they always do.

[still notch]

i think it's better

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-head-turn-gif-18307375

[restive turret]

idk what to exactly look to it so

[pale vector]

ok

[still notch]

i made for my app something on item spawner that can change some properties

(the keycard was the most hard to display because of shaders)

[restive turret]

yoo!!! that looks neat

[still notch]

and now i have to implement it in game

[pale vector]

And what happened to Exiled

[restive turret]

they still alive but under other people

[pale vector]

bought?

[still notch]

what ?

no ?

[icy knoll]

no, they had a fall out

and now they have some new devs

[upper vapor]

it's complicated

[still notch]

it's technically the same lead but without nao

[restive turret]

@warped prairie ?

[upper vapor]

xd

[still notch]

but the story is too long, too complicated

[icy knoll]

many people moved to labapi once it came out tho, as they believed exiled is/was useless. but that part is up to your discretion

[spring swan]

Now a days Exiled is an extension of LabAPI

[still notch]

there is so many features on EXILED that still make it great, even trough LabAPI became far better than NWAPI

[restive turret]

They cool tho, nice framework

[still notch]

(i still remember when NWAPI don't exist and we had to change the Assembly-CSharp dll to load exiled)

[icy knoll]

many of those said features for some people are for some edge cases, at least for me, I understand how some highly modded servers might profit from exiled's features.

[restive turret]

(put bepinex in and u good)

[icy knoll]

bepinex the absolute goat

[upper vapor]

nice code

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051988905320255509/1146537451750432778/ezgif.com-video-to-gif_2.gif

[still notch]

PrefabHelper, MirrorExtensions but yeah

[upper vapor]

i wonder if they've fixed admin toy sync vars

[icy knoll]

hot take, @restive turret 's fake sync stuff is better than exiled's

[still notch]

what is that ?

[still notch]

same question

[pale vector]

ok now where is wiki of LabApi?

[icy knoll]

also PrefabHelper will only be used on heavily modded servers, like I said, I don't know any other reason you might use it

[icy knoll]

github

[spring swan]

If it ain’t in bug reports, I doubt they’d fix it

[upper vapor]

omw to add PrefabCache to LabAPI

[still notch]

yup

[icy knoll]

go ahead smh

[upper vapor]

they do random stuff anyway

[hearty shard]

solves the problem of me having it in secretapi

easier for me

[restive turret]

basicly you can "fake" certain thigns to player

[still notch]

i know

[upper vapor]

admin toy sync vars are complicated

[hearty shard]

wait do i have prefab help stuff in secretapi

[restive turret]

idk what u asking then :D

[hearty shard]

i dont remember anymore

[upper vapor]

i should publish my gist about it

smh

[restive turret]

yes u do

[icy knoll]

me when syncing transform values works fine

[upper vapor]

after that you're cooked

[hearty shard]

cooolll....

says a lot about how much i remember about secretapi lmao

[restive turret]

next would be fake syncing the spawning 🔥 (stolen from Zero)

[icy knoll]

secretapi is complete really

[restive turret]

not really if you know it

[icy knoll]

only time you'll have to add stuff is if some niche feature comes into the game

[upper vapor]

well yeah but the concept itself is like

ugh

not to mention 079 camera toys

[spring swan]

I love camera toys

Last time I saw custom camera toys was when my developer made bad apple with them

[still notch]

developers make everything use bad apple 🥀

if there is 2 colors it can play bad apple atp

[pale vector]

I have fully Exiled server and I can't find online one plugin: Serpents Hand only it's exiled version, does anyone have it but labapi or do I make it somehow?

[unique crane]

https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1336031121699377213

[upper vapor]

a szerpentin keze

[restive turret]

I dont think anyone needed SH for LabApi

[upper vapor]

[pale vector]

why?

[spring swan]

Better939 when?

[restive turret]

mayhaps they have internal solution?

[hearty shard]

wait

i think i dont have support for that properly

[restive turret]

I think even Zero couldnt make it work under faking it

[upper vapor]

skill issue

[restive turret]

or something idk

[pale vector]

I can't find it

[unique crane]

I guess it aint there then

[pale vector]

ok

[still notch]

wtf am i reading

bruh just for that 😭

[hearty shard]

lmao

[upper vapor]

it's optimized

[south socket]

Maybe a little late, but could you share the entire code for this? I think I'm really too stupid, but i cant get my serializer right.

[celest thorn]

you need a synclist

to get it right

[restive turret]

Wdym by this

[celest thorn]

Ok so who developed the thingy decided to bypass the limit of 32k of mirror text

By using a synclist

So thats why

[restive turret]

Synclist message is different then entity state msg

[celest thorn]

Yes but its needed

[restive turret]

Ya ofc

[celest thorn]

Else the message doesn’t go through and there aren’t enough bytes

[restive turret]

Or you can set as the message formaz too

If it's a short message

[unique crane]

Its 64K and yes

Not intended at first

meant to be for the arguments themself

But it had this nice side effect

[slate flume]

@restive turret remember the fuckin uhhhh OnItemUsageEffectsApplying stuff?
Is it planned to instead move that to the ActivateEffects function instead of ServerOnUsingCompleted?
I have now realized ServerOnUsingCompleted is being called after things like EquipUpdate invoke ActivateEffects

[restive turret]

I have some plans with changing that especially ye.
I will run around that and change stuff to whatever would be the best

[slate flume]

Okay gotcha

If it helps I made a thing

It just migrates the event to Consumable::ActivateEffects

I haven't tested it much cause I just made it

[restive turret]

Prob req client to not run the effects too

[soft depot]

https://youtu.be/yBM9OFW1RAk

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[soft depot]

we did, was very annoying cuz I had to fix others code

tho I saw another implementation in some extension plugin that was a mix of Exileds old stuff and their own stuff

https://github.com/ExMod-Team/EXILED/pull/654 if you're interested

[true cedar]

i might make a command framework

im kinda bored

[upper vapor]

not again

[true cedar]

i never made one in the first place so technically its not again

i know absolutely no one would use it but like

[slate flume]

🗣️ 🔥

[celest thorn]

yo im bored guys any game that i can mod?

[restive turret]

Factorio

Satisfactory

[celest thorn]

too big

already people did shit for this games

[restive turret]

Ain't it's like 20gb

[celest thorn]

no what i mean the community is too big

people already did alot

[restive turret]

Idk then

Pray to some gamedev to not use il2cpp when building the game

If they use unity

[celest thorn]

lol

[restive turret]

And its a single

Or y'know not pvp

[celest thorn]

at that point developing cheats too bored

[restive turret]

Jump Space would really benefit from modding

[celest thorn]

I played that game

its fun

[restive turret]

It doesn't really matter if you cheat on your own game

I remember we raged in one game and we just ran around killing everyone in bl2

Ofc with inf ammo

[celest thorn]

sl is too boring

modding here is so limited

[restive turret]

Other games that released tend to have the same or worst

[celest thorn]

or client side one

which is 10x times funnier

[restive turret]

Install unreal (-200 gb) or IL2CPP :(

[celest thorn]

ngl i wanna develop a game

or something to kill time

but idk what

[restive turret]

I have an idea about it

But everything is killing my time

[celest thorn]

i have plenty of time

[restive turret]

Are you interested in creating a moddable extraction shooter

[celest thorn]

UUUUUUHHHHHH

[restive turret]

Idk what engine to pick but def not unity until .net10 update

[celest thorn]

YES!

i love love extraction shooters

[upper vapor]

try s&box

[restive turret]

I have it

[celest thorn]

loving yourself now

[upper vapor]

xd

[celest thorn]

like i love valve

and everything

but the shit they make its just for them

[restive turret]

Wdym

S1 has some public stuff out

[celest thorn]

like source engine is public but pretty much none uses it

because its just so obscure with some docs

and stuff

[restive turret]

Many games used in 10-15

[celest thorn]

source engine 1

[restive turret]

And its c/c++ and i wouldn't touch it

[celest thorn]

the second one is pretty much unknown

[celest thorn]

me neither

[restive turret]

Ye, when steam and they published it that's why i said 10-15 ref as 2010-15 ish

Many places they literally fork and built upon src1

Portal: RE, portal related "mods" , hl stuff , and other games when S1 seemed good it was released that time

[pulsar locust]

Yea no I refer to unreal as "I don't want to install 60GB of engine for less than 2GB of game"

Godot is life

[slender depot]

Where are the roomprops located in the Facility scene?

nvm I found those

[unique crane]

Usually inside of the room gameobject itself

[slender depot]

I just got all prefabs

and then filtered them to find the one that I need

[unique crane]

All prefabs you can use are in NetworkClient.prefabs

[slender depot]

Well

I've already did it the other way

By searching for them in the StructureDistributor

[restive turret]

@celest thorn dr mr mrs zero
If you interested you can DM me or something idk.

[celest thorn]

ig

[still notch]

guys do you know why the fog hide texts ?

[slender depot]

Where is ClutterSpawner located in the hierarchy?

[slender depot]

Also is there another way to get doors other than NetworkClient.prefabs?

[unique crane]

No

[hearty shard]

what kind of door

to create a door or Door.List ?

[slender depot]

No, to get the prefab

[hearty shard]

then yea thats the way

[upper vapor]

write the appropriate sequence of bytes into the correct memory location for unity to handle them

[upper vapor]

the fog is rendered after UI and some other stuff, we're aware of this issue

[still notch]

oh well okay, thanks 👍

[upper vapor]

np

[sacred sierra]

I hope “some other stuff” also includes transparent primitives

[upper vapor]

primitives are also affected by this, yea

[obtuse spruce]

nw can easily invert this or it could be an issue ?

[slate flume]

Is it possible to straight up prevent a player from interacting with anything (without subscribing to a dozen different LabAPI events)?
Doors, items, armor, warhead lever, everything

[slate flume]

If you're trying to figure out if the issue will be resolved anytime soon, it very likely won't

Easy/hard/whatever else doesn't really matter to how long it takes to get something done

It's somewhat arbitrary

[slate flume]

Dope

[obtuse spruce]

Client side ig

[slate flume]

There's a few different options I haven't explored cause I did something niche

I realized my problem was resolved with a different thing I had done earlier

I used harmony patches to fake a player being dead and it has the side effect of preventing interactions

You could try InteractionCoordinator stuff or similar, or set disarmed status, or do what I did

[restive turret]

Did adding a blocker worked?

[slate flume]

No clue, I went a different route

How can I disable a player's colliders to prevent them from being detected by raycasts (I want bullets to go through them)

[restive turret]

HitboxIdentity.SetColliders

Player.RoleBase => IFpcRole => MovementModule => Model => Hitboxes

[slate flume]

You're my fuckin hero

[restive turret]

I also stole it to someone idk who exactly

[celest thorn]

you stole my sandwich in kindergarten so give it back

[restive turret]

Also do NOT forget when setting the player to other role is to re-enable the hitboxes @slate flume

Required bc of pooling

Tbh I rather see them jakuzzing instead of in the pool

[restive turret]

Been recycled into other places, sorry

[upper vapor]

^^^^

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

[spare zodiac]

@tribal dagger mentioned

[tribal dagger]

hello

[upper vapor]

[tribal dagger]

ouch

😔

[upper vapor]

You look just like Danny

[celest thorn]

who?

[upper vapor]

[grand flower]

Would be nice if we could remove the ping ratelimit

for 079

[upper vapor]

SSSS

[grand flower]

Yeah but that's just confusing/annoying

Might as well just let us configure the ratelimit or remove it entirely

[restive turret]

wdmy ratelimit

[upper vapor]

You can't have more than 3 pings at once

There's also a 1s cooldown

Ngl I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't any server-side checks for these

[restive turret]

while I having the project open for the last 6 hours can check

nvm its client sided

RateLimiter

[tulip kiln]

Prove your point and code all new SL features as SSSS commands server-side

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-odyssey-avery-morgan-you-know-what-i-think-i-will-i-will-i-think-i-will-gif-6181967742929800434

Emulate client onkeydown

Boom

[grand flower]

How does one check if there are no reinforcement waves left

Is it just checking that the respawn tokens of all waves are 0?

[restive turret]

Probably

[warped prairie]

Well no because can’t mini wave still happen if 0tokens?

[grand flower]

Hmmm

Even post-nuke?

I'm trying to detect if there are no reinforcements left, post nuke.

[plush glade]

You could always check how dead man's switch is implemented

There might be a convenient variable somewhere

[grand flower]

isn't dead man's just on a timer

yeah

just looks like a timer

if there are no respawn waves left

so that's good

[plush glade]

What I'm suggesting is you check how dead man's decides whether to start the timer, i.e. how it knows there's no respawn waves left

[grand flower]

yeah i already do the same thing

I just gotta handle the final mini spawn wave and im good

[warped prairie]

ye post nuke there can be waves, if players earn tickets between when dms starts and nuke goes off

[grand flower]

yeah what I did was wait for a final mini wave after there are no tickets left

and then launch my stuff

works perf

[warped prairie]

oh, idk then, i though it was very possible to have mini wave but no tickets

[grand flower]

afaik you get one mini wave after the final normal wave

from testing

then no more, once nuke has gone off

[warped prairie]

isnt it something like if one team has not enough for mini or real wave then the other team gets one

maybe im just tupid

if it works it works

[grand flower]

yeah it works

if someone complains i'll fix it but so far it looks okay

[warped prairie]

veri epic

[upper vapor]

The wonders of the respawning system

[slate flume]

Bro what the hell

Okay so I sent SpeakerToys a bunch of samples to play, and it plays it

I tried to wait until it was done by checking IsPlaying but it turns out the way AudioTransmitter::Transmit is set up, it never stops transmitting

And now I'm crashing out

I believe this is the offending line

Once the end is reached and it can't loop, instead of breaking from the while loop, it just sends empty data

And that really upsets me

[upper vapor]

xd

you can just

use SecretLabNAudio

i would like to rework, or make a new AudioTransmitter ngl
-# totally no reason whatsoever

it would use spans

:3

[slate flume]

I don't know why it was made like this

Very upsetting

[celest thorn]

btw guys im wondering

how tf you find servers lol

to become dev?

because i've been scraping SL server and Exiled one

goddamit if russians are faster than me

[slate flume]

For me I pretty much just stumbled into the position

I applied to be staff for a server, they found out I knew how to code, and then were like "Hey you should learn C#"

[celest thorn]

i mean i already work for 2 servers but pretty much i wanna expand

[slate flume]

So I did

[slate flume]

Bro don't you have like

A job or something

[celest thorn]

i live in the woods

the next job to me pays 500 bucks

[upper vapor]

my fault for not having been in nw and also not making a PR

[celest thorn]

i get more working on SL

:trolling:

[upper vapor]

W

[celest thorn]

in Italy we don't have min salary

so thats why

[upper vapor]

find some random ahh american server

or

[celest thorn]

lol

[upper vapor]

or

wait for a plugin request to show up here

[celest thorn]

marketplace?

that doesn't work here

[upper vapor]

not a common sight but also not impossible

[slate flume]

This is all your fault!!!!! 😡

[celest thorn]

im gonna have a bot scrape exiled discord and this one

for common keywords

lol

[upper vapor]

GL

[slate flume]

I need some food after ts

[celest thorn]

how to get banned from Discord :trolling:

[upper vapor]

exactly

does anyone know where's the tool gan plugin

if yes pls send in #1447683077500440746

-# i thought projectmer had it

[celest thorn]

i have it 20k plz :3

[upper vapor]

😭

20k hufs is doable

[celest thorn]

nah 20k euros

:3

i work with euros

[celest thorn]

you wanna know a fun fact

thats how much i spent for a plushie

i just realized

[upper vapor]

that might be a little expensive for a plushie

(i'm used to seeing $50 plushies)

[celest thorn]

its a big cat plushie

[icy knoll]

meow

[upper vapor]

makes sense ig

[celest thorn]

let me send a pic

it was so cute

i had to buy it

[restive turret]

Clipped

[restive turret]

Cat 🐈

[icy knoll]

wha

[celest thorn]

im gonna give you something to clip

meeowww~ meeow~ mrrp :3

(im going insane)

[restive turret]

I usually played on the servers i develop plugins for

[celest thorn]

i don't play SL much

[restive turret]

Play=>Recognize=>Ask/Join as Dev

Target some ytr or idk

[celest thorn]

lol

i could...

:trolling:

[restive turret]

Twitch streamers

[celest thorn]

im gonna stream snipe them

lol

[restive turret]

Thanks that i don't stream sl

[celest thorn]

who will be faster

me or the clan

[restive turret]

Clan

[celest thorn]

true

i need to start asking around

or starting to invest

:trolling:

[restive turret]

[upper vapor]

goofy ahh

[celest thorn]

why???? its sooo cute :3

[worn gull]

That's 1 euro 😄

[upper vapor]

Bruh

[median edge]

I'm having a issue using CommandProcessor.ProcessQuery(string q, CommandSender sender), it shows as internal. I'm switching from EXILED to LabAPI, is there any way to use it or I'm I missing something?

[hearty shard]

Assembly publicize or reflection

[upper vapor]

why do you need this though

[median edge]

i need to execute a command that comes through a websocket

[celest thorn]

Publicize the Assembly Csharp

[upper vapor]

ah, makes sense

i believe there's an EnterCommand method somewhere

but yeah, publicize acs

i recommend the BepInEx.AssemblyPublicizer.MSBuild package

[celest thorn]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/blob/e2008900c933aa9d6551e56708bb185f52cc73b7/LabApi/Features/Wrappers/Server/Server.cs#L445

use this

[upper vapor]

yep

[celest thorn]

i can do a better job than you

fire this guy

[median edge]

ty

[celest thorn]

[upper vapor]

i know the base game more than i know labapi 😭

[celest thorn]

skill issue start learning both

[warped prairie]

I been Where I was for a solid year or 2 was already a mod. Showed interest in developing and that’s when we really got into the modded scene of SL

@restive turret the goat btw this guy is epic

[celest thorn]

idk i was already a dev way before SL

hubert wasn't even thinking of SL when i became a dev

[warped prairie]

You are secretly the creator of SL

[celest thorn]

no

[warped prairie]

But yea working in SL and stuff like that was my first real experience with applicational development to something. And I’d say I’m doin alright

[upper vapor]

applicational development to something

what does that mean

[warped prairie]

Like before I’d only programmed little stuff for my own pc or just to run on my own this was the first time I actually created something others got to use and enjoy

[upper vapor]

yea

that's fair

[burnt hearth]

Lmao

[slate flume]

Dawg what how old are you

[celest thorn]

18?

i started developing at 10

or less i don't remember

[slate flume]

Okay so what is your definition of developing

[celest thorn]

making apps and games and shit like that

i wasn't doing anything on roblox

i was doing websites and then went to discord

[slate flume]

Okay cause when I hear "dev" I think like real big guy programming work like something more serious

You got me mad confused for a minute

[celest thorn]

i always developed outside of roblox and stuff i tested around and didn't like much luau

then learned it for computer craft

[slate flume]

I think a lot of programmers in these spheres started relatively young

Why else would we be doing ts in our free time

People who learn later in life typically just learn for actual employment rather than as a hobby or passion

[celest thorn]

idk i saw a computer like magic

and said why not doing it?

i wanna learn how it works

i do this for alot of stuff

[slate flume]

You ever get into card tricks as a kid?

[celest thorn]

no

cards are something i never cared because they are boring in my eyes and complex for no reason

[slate flume]

It's sleight of hand man

I think it's dope what some people can do with them

[celest thorn]

true

btw

a question

[slate flume]

Yo

[celest thorn]

i wanna change my mc nickname

to something clean

and i have between two choices

pyyra or a_pyra

(pyra has been occupied for 9 years)

like which one sounds better?

or visually more appealing

[slate flume]

Option 1

[celest thorn]

oh wait i found ppyra

is free

hmmm

now its 3

ig ppyra sounds better

[restive turret]

Option 2

[celest thorn]

which one?

lol

[restive turret]

I just seen option 1 and didn't see the context

[celest thorn]

pyyra, a_pyra or ppyra

im checking for a nickname

and thats why

like between this three which one is cleaner?

[slate flume]

I still like #1

[restive turret]

#1

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Having a double vowel is cleaner than a beginning double consonant

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ig

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/4xah4igx.png

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I still have my old paper when I was in hospital I learned binary

That shit is so old

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wtf why?

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My father taught me

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https://i.e-z.host/🐀/z2wjtpud.png

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And I find it interesting

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your father works on tech?

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Eh kinda

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I used to do math problems and cryptograms in class cause I got bored

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when i had a pc i was coding