plugins-dev-chat

[celest thorn]

they take 1-2 days

but they do the job

[teal junco]

Im not sure how I would send the audio even, should i encode it first then decode it on the other end or just send it

[upper vapor]

or with WS you can send the raw vorbis data

[celest thorn]

base64 encoding

done

[upper vapor]

are you planning to transmit players' voice or your own audio

[celest thorn]

[upper vapor]

base after base

[celest thorn]

if you are doing player voices

[teal junco]

voices and audio

[celest thorn]

nono

[celest thorn]

ok no

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

then no

you can't

[celest thorn]

EU safety and privacy

[teal junco]

Yes Im aware there is rules about voices

[celest thorn]

No its not even NW

lol

its EU

[celest thorn]

so

then don't do it

[upper vapor]

what privacy law are they violating if they have explicit consent from the user and the endpoints require auth

[celest thorn]

they still violate SL ask 2 times

even if you have dnt disabled

because thats required

you need to consent

so they would need to do a command or something

that the player can choose

and they know what they are sending

[teal junco]

this wouldnt be something you accidentally engage

i know you need consent

[celest thorn]

hmm

like can you be more clear

[teal junco]

and the only people using it are probably fully aware of it snyway

[celest thorn]

or else contact nw verification for it

[teal junco]

im curious does it even matter if i dont intend to let regular players use it

[upper vapor]

how would you write the data

any input?

or like a file

[teal junco]

to a stream

no file

[upper vapor]

yea

well i'd recommend using ffmpeg to stream the audio
though that doesn't solve auth, hmm

yeah probably go with WS and the SL-provided opus solution

i mean

you could use ffmpeg out-of-process with rtmp if you have a really long unguessable url (security by obscurity)
but that doesn't give that much flexibility

WS is bidirectional anyway, so that's gonna be easier to use

you can use SecretLabNAudio with a custom send engine

[celest thorn]

you sponsor everything you make

you are like mrbreast

but of SL

[upper vapor]

shameless plug

"today's video's sponsor is... me!"

[celest thorn]

there are some youtuber who do that

[upper vapor]

low level

[celest thorn]

i don't remember who but i heard it alot of time

btw you pay your bills

so

it makes sense

[upper vapor]

i don't pay my bills

cuz i don't have any

[celest thorn]

sure everyone says this

[upper vapor]

-# except nitor

[celest thorn]

Bruh

i bet 100%

you have an egirl account

on 20 discord servers

thats how alot of people i know got nitro

[upper vapor]

what the fuck

[celest thorn]

which is fucking insane

but funny

[upper vapor]

it's called a credit card

[celest thorn]

bro ngl

i dropped in a few days

for a dress, tarkov and gifts 200 bucks

:trolling:

[upper vapor]

???

english?

[celest thorn]

I dropped 200 bucks

in a few day in:

• dress
• tarkov
• gifts

[upper vapor]

you dropped 200 bucks where

can you just

rewrite the whole sentence 😭

[celest thorn]

amazon, apple store and tarkov website

lol

[upper vapor]

that is not a meaningful sentence

oh on

you "dropped" the money there

right

[celest thorn]

I spent

its another way to say "spent"

[upper vapor]

you replied to the wrong message that's why i was confused

[celest thorn]

oh i just saw it lol

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smiling-cat-grey-cat-cute-cat-gif-2949633679466643461

[celest thorn]

crazy

bro i love doing shopping

[upper vapor]

shopping vs

https://tenor.com/view/making-it-rain-gif-617522917670078816

depends on who you ask

[celest thorn]

i love both keeping and spending

if i have something coming up

[upper vapor]

"i love keeping"

[celest thorn]

i don't spend

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/rich-donald-trump-yg-jealous-song-raining-money-gif-19192576

[celest thorn]

you know

[upper vapor]

what the f

is this gif

[celest thorn]

its christmas

[upper vapor]

you mean

[celest thorn]

I wanna buy a gift for myself

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-time-mariah-carey-mariah-carey-unlocked-break-free-mariah-carey-mariah-carey-mariah-carey-defrost-gif-2439309213394458832

[upper vapor]

honestly that's based

[celest thorn]

i bought 2 of them ig

tarkov

which i wanted to buy

and a dress which i wanted to buy too

ngl i love working and then getting my money there and just seeing it grow

especially when i go withdraw all of them

the SMELL :3

i love money

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

female mr crab

[upper vapor]

what

Mrs Krabs?

[celest thorn]

im female mr crab

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

my 2 biggest desire

girly girl

and swimming in money

Euros idk why they make a smell

so good

[upper vapor]

you can just
print money
-# fake money

[celest thorn]

I want real one

to then go buy another dress

and another

[upper vapor]

or

you can buy money

with money

[celest thorn]

i mean i could

because money that are shredded can be bought

[waxen kayak]

Patch the functions that receive packs

"harmony is the best".toUpper()

[restive turret]

Depends, websockets are fully reliable

[unique crane]

yall im getting glad for automatic memory management

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805416872962818078/1439195626372993114/image.png?ex=6919a2e0&is=69185160&hm=cae2b2dde9daf03dc6bf1875cfd81a8c5336529ecf9c1517fae63f78f31f2aba&

in c#

[restive turret]

What

[unique crane]

Doing C and having to take care of releasing memory sucks

[unique crane]

[restive turret]

Ah

Well ye

[waxen kayak]

wait

SceneMessage

what is this

WAIT

I can use it to change player scene

"MainMenuRemastered"

[restive turret]

Ye

But they woulnt be happy i assume

(send them to infinity loading screen)

[celest thorn]

no

[restive turret]

Yes

[celest thorn]

i already documented this lol

[restive turret]

I don't

[celest thorn]

https://github.com/Exiled-Team/EXILED/pull/2756

when the old exiled existed

[restive turret]

I meant as you send to the PreLoader every time player joins

[ashen hound]

in case of me Im faking client loading into server soo it thinks its real facility but its just own client having this only

thats mostly inside my proxy

whole lobby code

[restive turret]

Would be goated if rooms would be spawnable

[upper vapor]

PR it

[ashen hound]

I could say something but not here xd

[restive turret]

That would need a heavy rewrite (haha heavy! you get it?!)

[spare zodiac]

could you show example le example?

I want to see how it works

[restive turret]

Send message to client , client will change scene to that

[ashen hound]

fun

still im happy I managed to get players working on proxy xd even ability to take syncvars send to set their name properly

same I can modify server name under playerlist to proxy just handle it soo you can idk info about total players on proxy or list of others servers and players

[restive turret]

Ye many stuff have syncvars

[ashen hound]

network messages are easier but syncvars smh

its still network message but way complex

[restive turret]

Ye ik

[spare zodiac]

syncvars are vars that var

[ashen hound]

dirty bits etc, component index and stuff like that

[restive turret]

Rpc's are other example of that

[restive turret]

Rpc's are other example of that

[ashen hound]

xd

[restive turret]

SyncVars are vars that sync

[ashen hound]

double ping

[restive turret]

Dc sent it twice

[spare zodiac]

yeah those are weird

[ashen hound]

I did manage to easily spawn text toy fully clientside, server only has data that this client has it spawned for use like if I wanted to destroy it later

[spare zodiac]

aka the net id

[ashen hound]

someone wanted to add MER support

to like spawn primitives from schematic

[spare zodiac]

primitives & schematics

[ashen hound]

soo you can idk make lobby which is fully clientside in case of primitives

[burnt hearth]

Server

[spare zodiac]

Server

[waxen kayak]

<color=red>Server</color>

[snow pulsar]

would be neat if we could add Elevators of our own in

[snow pulsar]

Only issue with adding things is removing the colliders fully/rendering so many primitives near a player before their PC tries to shit itself

Project MER is goated. I'm still waiting for AMERT to be updated though so I can make an exploding button

[hearty shard]

waypoint toys

[snow pulsar]

Still no clue how to use those ;-;

[pallid galleon]

Anyone know how to get if a player has died to a death pit?

[upper vapor]

check the PitDeath effect
or
UniversalDamageHandler with id crushed (also includes chaos car)

[pallid galleon]

ty!

[upper vapor]

np

h

[warped prairie]

h

[west tide]

This display is it a hint, or why does it have that font?
And how can I create something like that?

[ashen hound]

imagine if making "better" remoteadmin would be worth xd but as like plugin to one app I published on steam, it would work in way where if you have my app open it would connect to server after joining and in other monitor you can have stats, info about reports, popups, other plugins could add new tabs in player profile like you could view someones warnings/past bans, view 3D preview of map, have ability to click on map and teleport players on specific position etc

[royal mica]

Honestly if we could have like a custom page like ServerSide Settings but in RA, that woudl be already godsent

[ashen hound]

for me I would be happy to have this stuff on seperate monitor thats my goal

like you could see 2d preview of map with everyone on it etc

[royal mica]

That is achieveable since you are able to connect steam to discord to web

or skip dicord and have steam login

and then you have direct online - web connection

[ashen hound]

its not like you can just connect to server but you would need to modify preauth a bit to server accept it

[west tide]

Could work, but I think SCP:SL’s anti cheat would flag it as cheating.

[ashen hound]

why?

[royal mica]

Not really, since you can just go online

[west tide]

idk

[royal mica]

Server knows your ID

you login on web

web sees you online, it is connected now

[upper vapor]

those are just emojis

[west tide]

thx!

[upper vapor]

np

there's a (not fully extensive) SL emoji list somewhere but i can't find it rn

@spare zodiac maybe you happen to know?

[west tide]

this?
https://boltondev.github.io/SL-Emojis/

[upper vapor]

yep

[west tide]

This system
I’ve already built once before.
I might release it as open source.

[royal mica]

Personally I would like to see ingame cusotmizability

But web based sounds cool as well

[west tide]

I agree.
We as developers want more features, for example custom screen and so on.

[royal mica]

We are heading in a good direction

it just takes time

cause game needs development as well

[west tide]

true

[upper vapor]

i read "web sebes you online"

[barren pasture]

Why does this code keep kicking me from the server?

{
    if (!Check(player)) return;

    if ((DateTime.UtcNow - abilityLastUsed[player]).TotalSeconds < 30)
    {
        player.SendBroadcast("This ability is not ready yet.", 3);
        return;
    }

    var zombs = Player.List.Where(t => t.GetTeam() == Teams.SCP0492.ToString()).ToList();

    var zomb = zombs[new Random().Next(0, zombs.Count)];

    player.Position = zomb.Position;

    abilityLastUsed[player] = DateTime.UtcNow;
}```

[teal junco]

Player.ReadyList?

Player.List includes unauthenticated and the dedicated server player

[barren pasture]

What is that?

[teal junco]

it only contains players that are authenticated

[spare zodiac]

late answer but yes

[teal junco]

try readylist instead od list

[royal mica]

Web zónázó you online

[upper vapor]

😭

[ashen hound]

funny

[barren pasture]

Doesn't it only let authenticated people spawn?

[teal junco]

Yes, but the LINQ ( List.Where ) searches every member of the list

[upper vapor]

stop using Player.List

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-stop-posting-about-among-us-sus-amogus-sussy-gif-20696860

[barren pasture]

Fair. Didn't know readylist existed.

[icy knoll]

that might be exiled code

lol

[barren pasture]

It's labapi, just a custom framework

[teal junco]

well i think i trust this guy enough not to post exiled to labapi

[upper vapor]

where do you call this method

oh btw

if you have 0 zombies

you're cooked

[teal junco]

Oh yeah

[barren pasture]

That's true, I'll fix that in a few minutes

[upper vapor]

i'd also recommend using Time.time or NetworkTime.time over DateTime for this purpose

[barren pasture]

I call it in a ServerSpecificSettingsSync.ServerOnSettingValueRecieved event

[icy knoll]

yeah well ive seen lots of people do that

so

[upper vapor]

yeah then that's why

if you have any exception

the server soft-disconnects the client

just add a try-catch around your own event handler

[teal junco]

its not the client going boom, to be specidic

the server kicks it automatically

[upper vapor]

boom enough

soft boom

[teal junco]

well some may misunderstand it as meaning the client itself cant handle it and dcs by itself

which the client is not aware of any out of bounds errors on the server side

[upper vapor]

edited

imagine if

the client went back to the menu upon being soft-disconnected

[icy knoll]

just try catch ur whole codebase or smth

[upper vapor]

try
{
LocalAdmin();
}
catch {}

[icy knoll]

yes

[celest thorn]

why am i here

[teal junco]

Because you were here

[spare zodiac]

hello

[hidden horizon]

goodbye

[spare zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220860383074451487/1439387190722564287/attachment.gif

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1424119912900595834/1426751906729951242/tenor.gif

[celest thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866374673817403422/1425850638469959710/pyra-xenoblade.gif

[carmine prawn]

omg

and... its hitbox is very strange

how can I see the correct hitbox on the client side?

i see

[celest thorn]

this are cubes stack togheter?

[carmine prawn]

use parent and scale

[teal junco]

parent distortion

yes

what he said

[carmine prawn]

this was allowed after some previous update, probably

[teal junco]

Yeah i think 14.0 or 14.1 when client parenting was added

[snow pulsar]

Funky ahhh shapes

[upper vapor]

this has been a thing since the dawn of primitives

you can just scale the parent and rotate the child to deform the latter

[carmine prawn]

💀

[upper vapor]

thanks unity

[unique crane]

Update leak!!

[upper vapor]

biggest leak of history

[tribal dagger]

how could i make a player hitbox be ignored by firearms?

[spare zodiac]

ev.IsAllowed

[tribal dagger]

i dont want to disallow a hurting event

because when someone shoots that person the bullet will stop

[upper vapor]

disable it

[tribal dagger]

and i want the bullet to go through

[spare zodiac]

that's a problem then

[upper vapor]

get hitboxidentity

get collider

collider.enabled = false

[spare zodiac]

I suppose you could make damage handler be changed to 0 damage

[upper vapor]

that's not gonna help

[spare zodiac]

why?

[upper vapor]

if you zero the damage

the bullet won't continue traveling

[spare zodiac]

that's true

[upper vapor]

cuz it hit the player

[restive turret]

Bullet doesn't go tru people

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

[tribal dagger]

plr.ReferenceHub.GetComponent<HitboxIdentity>().TargetColliders.ForEach(c => c.enabled = false);

[upper vapor]

no

get them from the IFpcRole

and also

when the player's role changes, you need to re-enable them

also

STOP USING THE FOREACH METHOD

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-rant-amogus-stop-posting-about-among-us-stop-posting-gif-21710838

[restive turret]

I gonna use it everywhere now

[tribal dagger]

😭

hater

im a linq addict

[upper vapor]

your performance shall perish

[tribal dagger]

my performance shall be not cared about

[tribal dagger]

that works a lil too well

things like death pits are also ignored

which is a slight problem

[upper vapor]

well uhhh

i guess you can change the layer

[tribal dagger]

now clue what this means

my first guess is to put it as ignore raycast

[upper vapor]

that could work but check how firearms raycast

and choose a layer that isn't used by them

hitregmodulebase has something like this iirc

[tribal dagger]

hitreg mask has these

so ig itll be fine

[slender depot]

Why does everytime I try to get the item.Owner it just gives me dedicated server?

[celest thorn]

its in their inventory?

of someone

[slender depot]

no

it's in my inv

[celest thorn]

...

so its your inventory

its generic

[slender depot]

My brain not braining

I thought you meant if it's in their as in the host's inv

[celest thorn]

thats strange because you should have it as Owned if you have the item

[celest thorn]

No yours

[slender depot]

I should, all I did was add the item first to Player.Host

dropped it

and gave the pickup to a player

[celest thorn]

why not giving it to the player directly

[slender depot]

I cant remember why

but even if I did, I think it would just set the owner to the first player that had it

[celest thorn]

no?

[slender depot]

So wait

I'll try to do it that way

[slender depot]

Turns out it does work like that

My ID is 2, the dummies is 3

Gave it to the dummy

made it drop it

picked it up and the item owner still hasnt changed

[worthy rune]

can we see the code for that

[sweet flax]

when do you get the item owner

try with a command

[slender depot]

how to do that?

I mean

is there a command?

to check the owner

[sweet flax]

[CommandHandler(typeof(RemoteAdminCommandHandler))]
public void Command : ICommand
{
  public bool Execute(blah blah blah)
  {
    Player player = Player.Get(sender);
      
    foreach(Item item in player.Items)
    {
      Logger.Info($"owner : {item.CurrentOwner}");
    }
  }
}

smth like this

to check if its updated or if its a events faoult

[teal junco]

Why does scp sl modding community have so many russians and stuff?

is it just because Northwood itself is european

[teal junco]

Maybe this is a stupid question lol

[sacred sierra]

compare the size of playerbase and get the answer

but then we can get to the question why is russian playerbase bigger

answer: no idea

[teal junco]

I did not know i could even sort by region

[sacred sierra]

more than 1/3

US

[teal junco]

My guess is it would be popular for russians because its european? but that might sound really stupid (im just american so idk)

[teal junco]

Holy

I gotta get on Russian studies

[sacred sierra]

i dont think most people even know its european until some hrs in SL

also one russian SL youtuber was big 5-6 years ago

not the best videos but he had a lot of views

[teal junco]

I lowkey didnt until like a few months of playing, it always struck me as pretty neutral where that's concerned and even kind of American considering that the only voices in it are American-English. But the OG characters were Polish

[teal junco]

interesting

scp sl youtubers were biggest in general around that timeframe id say

didnt a few videos break 1 mil views 2019-2021

[teal junco]

Holy

Yeah no kidding they got more people over there

[sacred sierra]

also those servers

(its late rn so not a lot of players)

[teal junco]

Yea

[teal junco]

Thanks for telling me this, this is very interesting

[barren pasture]

What is the LabApi equivalent of EatenScp300Event from Exiled?

[static meteor]

iirc there isnt one currently

[barren pasture]

Well shit

[static meteor]

or it may just be used item

and check if the item is scp330bag

[barren pasture]

Seems to be InteractedScp330

[static meteor]

I thought that was for the bowl

[barren pasture]

Apparently it is. Also I can't get candy type from the UsedItem event, far as I know.

[static meteor]

 SCP330Bag::Candies[SCP330Bag::SelectedCandyId]

[barren pasture]

Pretty sure I've asked this before, but how do I get a player's most recent ragdoll?

[spare zodiac]

what happens if someone changes the server-side code of assembly-csharp in managed folder?

[languid temple]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[icy knoll]

unity may not accept it

[spare zodiac]

in what cases would that happen?

theory I have is changing the namespaces?

[icy knoll]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

try it and see

ur plugin wont be accepted in #1336031121699377213 tho

[spare zodiac]

thank you though

[spare zodiac]

ofc that would require patches instead of changing the base game code

[spare zodiac]

does labapi plugins have to use labapi or could I post dependency in there? The dependency would not interact with base game code, just library what other plugins could use.

[icy knoll]

technically, secretapi is a dependency

and that exists in there

there is also custom role stuff in there

so

[spare zodiac]

that all interacts with SL's code though

I meant like smth that communicates only with discord api

[icy knoll]

no

i dont think that's allowed

[spare zodiac]

noted

[icy knoll]

needs to have some sort of connection to SL

[worn gull]

Me when malom enters the chat

[languid temple]

rendben van 🐻 Marci

[upper vapor]

What would be a reason to permanently patch the base game

That's very sus

Doing that just to change a namespace is pointless and might do more harm than good

[upper vapor]

XDDDD

[spare zodiac]

fixing spagetti code

[upper vapor]

Just

Dont

[spare zodiac]

I didn't want to do that

just a theoretical thought I had

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[spare zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220860383074451487/1439406350319878144/attachment.gif

[soft depot]

Literally smod2

[spare zodiac]

I'm newgen so I've heard of smod, but never experienced it

[teal junco]

Same

How long ago did smod die? Was it like 2020 level or like 2023

[slate flume]

Technically SecretAPI is a plugin

It's loaded alongside plugins instead of dependencies

[icy knoll]

yes

im aware

but that's only for harmony patching

[slate flume]

Yeah but it's still technically a plugin as a result

[slate flume]

Depends on what you change and how

If you modify purely client-side code then there'll generally be no change in what your plugin does

If you modify server-side code and try to interface with it, what the plugin finds at run-time will be different than what it finds at compile-time

This can cause any number of errors depending on what you changed in the base-game code and what you do in the plugin

Generally, there is literally zero reason to modify the base-game assembly for plugin development, it doesn't solve literally any problems
The only exception I can think of is publicizing the assembly, but that doesn't really change any of the code, it just gives you access to private members that would otherwise be inaccessible

[slate flume]

I see the context for this message now though
Doesn't SecretAPI use elements of LabAPI? Or does it use literally none of it
I'm not at my computer rn to check so idrk

[icy knoll]

i think it does

[slate flume]

If you're creating a wrapper for something that isn't related to SL then it's not a plugin you can post in #1336031121699377213

If you add even just one feature that connects to the base game then it'll pass

Very odd that you want to make a dependency for other SL plugins to use but don't add any functionality for your plugin and SL

[hearty shard]

Player is used, same with some other wrappers like Generator

[slate flume]

Yeah so there's no question that it's valid to post in #1336031121699377213

Doesn't seem like much of a grey area to me

[hearty shard]

ya

[spare zodiac]

is I create server-side aimbot can I still get flagged by global mod?

[worn gull]

Hi! If a 3114 has a disguise, is it possible to color the CustomInfo?

[slate flume]

Someone else might have better information but afaik the player display info text color is handled client-side

[slate flume]

SL doesn't "flag" people
Afaik the moderation is entirely dependent on player reports and, to a much lesser extent, mod patrols

[spare zodiac]

reports do

[worn gull]

😭

[slate flume]

You can't just prevent players from reporting you

To the best of my knowledge, cheater reports with Northwood have to include auth ID with the report, meaning that any official reports sent in have to be sent in by a moderator on the server

If I'm correct then that means the only reason you'd inquire about trying to prevent cheater reports is if you're not informing the moderators of a server that you're coding yourself an aim bot, and that's highly questionable

[hearty shard]

uhh

you can send a report through report menu

[spare zodiac]

didn't say that

[hearty shard]

same as reporting to moderators

but yeah it could be patched out by a plugin

[slate flume]

This was something I talked about a while back and I was told that generally cheater reports sent through that way typically don't turn out

Sending a report through the report menu doesn't provide any actual evidence, the main method for reporting cheaters is getting clips with an auth ID included and sending them in through Polaris

[hearty shard]

yea

[slate flume]

So my point still stands

[slate flume]

You said you want to prevent being "flagged"
You said being reported causes you to be "flagged"
So you're asking how to prevent players from reporting you

Maybe I'm just not following your line of reasoning here

[spare zodiac]

no I didn't say I want to prevent

I asked if It's possible for me to be flagged when I create server side aimbot

[slate flume]

I think you're misunderstanding the moderation pipeline

People can send still send in reports about you

I don't understand the question because there is no "flagging"

It's reports

[spare zodiac]

because then after report comes this fella called global mod and either smites me or says wrong report

[slate flume]

Then refer back to my previous comment

[slate flume]

^

There has to be actual evidence that you're cheating in order to ban you

If you're not actually cheating (e.g. using external software) then you may have to have some awkward conversations with people about how you made an aim bot for yourself on whatever server you're making it for, but to my understanding it's not actually against the rules

And if you're not breaking the rules then you shouldn't be getting banned for it

[spare zodiac]

1. le monobehaviour
2. le epic calculation'
3. le apply calculation
   💥

[slate flume]

?

Oh you mean making your aim bot

Yeah I know it's not external software, I had to make some aim bot-adjascent stuff for dummy NPCs

I still think it's a highly questionable choice making an aim bot for yourself

But it's not technically against the rules

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1029500788533370881/1301986748129345546/caption.gif

[spare zodiac]

not myself for everyone

[languid temple]

Wouldn't say that

[languid temple]

Server side aimbot as in a plugin? Or what exactly do you mean by this?

[hearty shard]

hi miller

[spare zodiac]

as an plugin yes

[upper vapor]

-# typo

[spare zodiac]

-# I'm keeping it

[slate flume]

Getting put on a watch list doesn't matter if you're not breaking the rules
His question was more in regards to wondering if he was going to get punished for it

[subtle ravine]

Why does one need aimbot as a plugin

[spare zodiac]

cause funny

we love le funny

[upper vapor]

Because they're bored

[subtle ravine]

Just download aimlabs and train your aim

[spare zodiac]

imagine everyone perfect aim

[upper vapor]

So they wanna simulate cheats

[slate flume]

Word

[upper vapor]

And get mods mad

[upper vapor]

Xdd

[languid temple]

I'm not necessarily talking about the watchlist

[spare zodiac]

I already made esp

[slate flume]

You're gonna piss off NW mods

[spare zodiac]

server side

[subtle ravine]

No but like if you cant shoot then train your aim 😭

[spare zodiac]

well @tribal dagger did

[slate flume]

Could you elaborate then?

[languid temple]

No

[spare zodiac]

I program not aim

[slate flume]

Fair enough

Then I'll stand by my point

[languid temple]

If later cedric wants to say something I'll let him but I'm not gonna say anything that could get me in trouble

[upper vapor]

It's called left click

[slate flume]

I get it

I'll stand by my view until I know more though

[spare zodiac]

imagine voice activationiactvioanzicoation shooting

[languid temple]

@spare zodiac For now I wouldn't start that server side aimbot project

[subtle ravine]

Yeah!

[languid temple]

I'd say you have a fair chance of getting falsely banned

[spare zodiac]

:(

[slate flume]

Well that depends

[restive turret]

Ban the dummies in my server

[upper vapor]

What
Violin?

[restive turret]

All of them cheating

[tribal dagger]

hello

[slate flume]

Don't most cheater reports use clips for evidence in the ban?

[upper vapor]

Xd

[celest thorn]

Furry

[spare zodiac]

reporting to global mod rn

[tribal dagger]

woman 😭

[celest thorn]

Can i do a spam to global mod on my local server :trolling:

[spare zodiac]

remember the time I made ESP from your system

[languid temple]

All in-game clips must have the auth token displayed yes

[celest thorn]

I mean still better lol

[subtle ravine]

Auth token

[celest thorn]

i scare mans

[upper vapor]

Return evidence is Aimbot

[slate flume]

Then that requires a server mod who would then have the context that this player isn't actually cheating and wouldn't make the report

[tribal dagger]

tf is an esp

[spare zodiac]

I'm banning all peoples who habe @northwood in their useris

trust

[subtle ravine]

That breaks CSG btw

[spare zodiac]

wallhack

[subtle ravine]

[celest thorn]

lol

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1268683598329024563/1429944888451010722/caption.gif

[spare zodiac]

CSG breaks me :(

[celest thorn]

what is CSG the government created that

we don't follow that

[upper vapor]

Can't ban me if I don't have a nw tag

[slate flume]

I think the fears of getting falsely banned are fair but largely wouldn't actually happen

It would require mutiny

[spare zodiac]

all my homies don't follow CSG
-# @tribal dagger

[sweet flax]

is there a easy way to disable ac to get unityexplorer running?

[tribal dagger]

for legal reasons

saskyc is lying

[spare zodiac]

XDD

[tribal dagger]

i never broke vsr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1022273018015264818/1283164823403888691/Screenshot_2024-07-23-18-12-47-771_com.gif

[celest thorn]

don't worry

i will try

[spare zodiac]

vsr doesn't exist

[subtle ravine]

You can use offline mode.

[spare zodiac]

now CSG

[tribal dagger]

vsr was back then

[spare zodiac]

the big brother text

[sweet flax]

like -noaauth? doesn't it still use the AC?

[tribal dagger]

when i made the thing

[celest thorn]

Btw what the fuck are you doing here???

[subtle ravine]

But iirc ac is still enabled

[subtle ravine]

Why wouldnt i be here
Im a tech support and i do plugins sometimes

[spare zodiac]

I'll use local modeeeeee

[languid temple]

Avr user can still submit a player report, if a gmod joins they can mistakenly still ban him

[languid temple]

Offline mode has no SL-AC

[spare zodiac]

I will mistakenly ban gmod

[burnt hearth]

[celest thorn]

YOU DO PLUGINS????

[languid temple]

Too bad you can't :(

[subtle ravine]

Yes Zero

[burnt hearth]

You cannot ban global staff.

[slate flume]

I was told reports can be overtaken by plugins

[spare zodiac]

who's gonna stop me

[sweet flax]

how to enable it?

[spare zodiac]

muhahaha

[slate flume]

Watch him

[languid temple]

As in?

[spare zodiac]

*disable

[languid temple]

My IgnoreBans auth flag 💔

[restive turret]

If reporting
return

[sweet flax]

like enable offline mode

[spare zodiac]

My hint with scale 100000

[subtle ravine]

Imagine doing ctrl a and banning everyone and suddenly on the server left is you and the admin

[languid temple]

😭

[spare zodiac]

you can join not see at same time

[slate flume]

@languid temple

[languid temple]

Obstruction S&C is a violation of csg 7.2/7.4

[spare zodiac]

global mod can't ban people of my server?

[subtle ravine]

Thats not what i meant

[slate flume]

Yes they can

[spare zodiac]

I will make global mod spawn as tutorial and rotate really fast

[sweet flax]

do you know how can i enable the offline mode

[spare zodiac]

not anymore then

[languid temple]

Nope

[languid temple]

I mean why would a server do that

[spare zodiac]

funnies

[subtle ravine]

-noauth launch arg

[slate flume]

If reports are sent to the server's moderators instead of global mods then there's no risk of a false ban, meaning saskyc can make the plugin without worry

You told him not to do it because of that risk

[subtle ravine]

Then you will have real cheaters that won't get banned

[burnt hearth]

Your server will get in deep trouble if you interfere with global staff handling something

[spare zodiac]

I will add flag for global mod when they spectate player or whatever zero told me

[languid temple]

I'd argue that can be seen as obstruction of S&C as well

[slate flume]

I have never seen a global mod ban a cheater before

[burnt hearth]

I have

[slate flume]

At least not without a clip

[spare zodiac]

they can handle stuff and rotate at the same time right?

[slate flume]

Well yeah you're on the mod team lol

[subtle ravine]

You shouldn't do that

[slate flume]

I'm not saying it doesn't happen

I'm just saying it's rare

[subtle ravine]

(he's not)

[burnt hearth]

I'm osm

[spare zodiac]

shouldn't doesn't mean I can't!

guys I have idea

[burnt hearth]

Not safety and compliance

[subtle ravine]

You could but you shouldn't

[spare zodiac]

what if I give aimbot only to global moderators

[subtle ravine]

That CAN get you in trouble

[lethal cradle]

Hi osm I'm Aras

[spare zodiac]

checkmate

[burnt hearth]

You would be breaking CSG.

[slate flume]

Either way, my point is 99% of cheater reports are handled via Polaris and clips, which is handled by the server's mod team anyways

[subtle ravine]

they won't play on your server

[spare zodiac]

does CSG stop me from trolling the NW staff because they are NW staff?

[languid temple]

Server Staff may not interfere with the duties of Studio Staff.

[subtle ravine]

Yes

[sweet flax]

can i dm cuz it seems that the ac is still running

[slate flume]

So in-game reports without evidence are how a majority of cheaters are caught and banned @subtle ravine ?

[spare zodiac]

it's not server staff it's the plugin not me

it has consiousness

[languid temple]

Falls under the same category

[subtle ravine]

I'm not sure I might be wrong or Miller but IIRC ac is still enabled in offline mode
Ced/Zenlet probably would have more info
I won't help in dms tho

[spare zodiac]

the plugin is server staff?

[subtle ravine]

I'm not S&C

[restive turret]

server staff installing plugins

[languid temple]

afaik it's disabled

[slate flume]

Then why were you claiming I was wrong

[burnt hearth]

Become s&c

[spare zodiac]

what if plugin installs itself?

is it considered server staff?

[restive turret]

tbats a concerned stuff

[subtle ravine]

I didn't claim that you are wrong.

[slate flume]

You saw my comment and reacted with ❌ so I assumed that meant you thought I was wrong

[restive turret]

if you gonna install something on my pc without any knownledge i will deny and remove everything that connected to that + you gonna get reported

[subtle ravine]

Wouldn't call that 99%

[spare zodiac]

it will be anonymous

[slate flume]

It was a hyperbole for sake of argument

[restive turret]

doesnt matter

[languid temple]

In-game reports get manually investigated by online gmods, obviously the majority is not banned that way, but I can assure you that we do indeed ban a significant people based on those, but since there's no feedback people assume it does nothing

[restive turret]

thats why i dont like self-updating plugins too

[slate flume]

That's pretty much what I thought

[spare zodiac]

that's a valid opinion though

and it's the reason why I never made them
-# not because I was lazy

[restive turret]

I rather control when i gonna update

they can say "new version avlb"

or some shit

[slate flume]

CedMod automatically sends reports to a server's staff team, does it also send those reports to global mods?

[spare zodiac]

that's why I don't update windows and keep windows 7

[restive turret]

real

back to win xp

[spare zodiac]

windows xp with rtx 3060

can windows xp compile windows xp?

[languid temple]

I'm not sure how cedric did it, I assume it forwards specific reports to us as well, but I don't know for sure, you'd have to ask him

[slate flume]

The only reason I'm getting into the weeds on this is because I think it's dumb that someone shouldn't do something for risk of being "falsely banned by global mods"
That's an admission that bans can be made without knowing the full story of whatever situation it was
As a result it seemed to make sense to prevent that possibility by redirecting reports to the server's moderators instead to take care of themselves but you said that counts as obstructing S&C

Which means if that's true there's no circumventing the issue that a global mod can pop on and ban someone for a plugin feature

Which in my opinion is stupid

I brought up the fact that a majority of cheater reports are handled by a server's staff team anyways to make my comment of redirecting reports make more sense

[subtle ravine]

And I still don't get the point to "simulate cheating" with plugins

[slate flume]

Me neither

[subtle ravine]

Then don't do that

[slate flume]

I won't

But another dev wants to

And it's not against the rules

[languid temple]

At the end of the day, I'd still wouldn't advise you to do it Saskyc, but if you decide to proceed, do at your own discretion

[slate flume]

So I think it's dumb to prevent him from doing it

[subtle ravine]

No one is preventing them
It's just a suggestion that they shouldn't do that.

[restive turret]

I think if you do stuff and you are not on the server list, your possibility is endless

[languid temple]

I can't prevent him from doing it, I just advise not doing it

He doesn't actually break any rules

(confirmed this with cedric)

[slate flume]

This to me seemed more like a statement than a suggestion but given the context I can see what you mean

[spare zodiac]

true

[languid temple]

True

[hearty shard]

I wouldn't

[spare zodiac]

until copyright issues

[languid temple]

Could have worded that better

[slate flume]

Yeah yeah yeah my bad

[restive turret]

wdym

[hearty shard]

but yeah

if you do it put a hint to any S&C and mention it

cuz like...

[slate flume]

I hope it's known I'm not trying to diss on NW staff or anything I just wanted to advocate a bit

[hearty shard]

they SHOULD be able to know it if they join and see you killing people through walls

[slate flume]

That's good I like that

[slender depot]

Is there a way to get an item by it's serial?

[hearty shard]

getting banned because you used aim bot and didnt inform S&C it was intended and not a cheat feels like "thats how it is"

[slate flume]

Item.Get()

[hearty shard]

Item.List

[slate flume]

I thought the Item wrapper had a get function

[restive turret]

Item.Get or Item.List.FirstOrDefault(i => i.Serial == mySerial);

[hearty shard]

it might

[slate flume]

Like Player.Get

[hearty shard]

i mean its not guaranteed as an item

i think it should be TryGet since yk pickup and item are different

(i really wish it wasnt like that)

[restive turret]

ye it has get

[hearty shard]

TryGet too

cool

[slate flume]

I love being awesome

Did LabAPI add a 1509 wrapper yet?

I've been gone for a while

[restive turret]

no, not yet

[cyan crown]

Plugin dev chat

[slate flume]

#plugins-dev-chat

[cyan crown]

Indeed

[restive turret]

I might talk about it after has been added

[slate flume]

Truly

[cyan crown]

Slejm i got some good news

[slate flume]

Can I hear the good news too

[restive turret]

ya

[cyan crown]

I spammed bools and if statements for my scripts

[slate flume]

Based

[restive turret]

real

have you done smth liek

[unique crane]

What

[slate flume]

Average C++ experience

[restive turret]

if (cond1 && cond2 && cond3 && cond4 && cond5 ... && cond10)?

[slate flume]

[spare zodiac]

[cyan crown]

[slate flume]

[cyan crown]

I havent really started working on the AI yet but i'll probably use unity behavior tree

[slate flume]

Make it all one function

[cyan crown]

Sure

[slate flume]

Making your variable names shit like temp9

[cyan crown]

[slate flume]

private static int variable = 4

[cyan crown]

🧙‍♂️

[slate flume]

Use that everywhere

No docs

[cyan crown]

I put docs in my scripts now in case i forgor

[slate flume]

Put everything in one giant if statement instead of doing early returns

[cyan crown]

[slate flume]

I relearn my entire codebase every other week

[cyan crown]

Lmao

[slate flume]

I used to smoke weed with relative frequency and write code

[cyan crown]

Do you work on a unity project or scpsl plugins?

[slate flume]

So sometimes I look back at sections and I go "What the hell"

[slate flume]

SL plugins mostly

[cyan crown]

Cool

[slate flume]

But I make other random programs to compute stuff

I love data analysis

[unique crane]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballmer_Peak

[cyan crown]

Apply for valve

They love collecting data and giving it to people so the smartest people can make something amazing

[slate flume]

This is just what I do now lmao

[restive turret]

thats why you should drink a little before coding 🔥

[slate flume]

Not even 12 hours ago I got plastered and finished this huge computational constexpr function I've been working on for days

And it surprisingly actually worked

[slate flume]

I like numbers

I've done programming for a long time but I'm not a big ideas guy, I'm not a big designer, I just like implementing stuff

[restive turret]

real

[cyan crown]

I understand i wish you good luck on your journey

[slate flume]

And I primarily enjoy crunching numbers to solve a problem

[restive turret]

me creating the 43th PoC

[slate flume]

Hell yeah I really appreciate it

Okay so I know we can't discriminate against Northwood staff and like automatically loop kill them when they join the server but are we allowed to reverse-discriminate

What if anytime a Northwood staff member joins the server they get a parade and god mode

Is that against the rules

Also

How do we feel about bribery

[languid temple]

Depends on who you bribe

[unique crane]

I accept foob as bribe

[slate flume]

Can I bribe someone from S&C like I'm a restaurant owner bribing the health inspector

[languid temple]

yes /j

[slate flume]

Word

Who do I make the check out to

Or is it a cash-only beat

[wispy dirge]

should PlayerEvents.InteractedToy be triggering when an interactabletoy is searched? because it isn't right now

[hearty shard]

search isnt equal to interact

[wispy dirge]

so when/what does the event trigger

[hearty shard]

when it finishes

[wispy dirge]

i held it for the whole duration too

[hearty shard]

like uhh when you start interacting is different from finishing successfully

idk then

[wispy dirge]

it just never triggers for me

[plush glade]

took more effort than i care to admit to get it to work but i'm proud

[teal junco]

this is fire

[upper vapor]

Check the docs

Interacted triggers when search time is 0

Search events trigger when it's greater than 0

[plush glade]

Why is Item.Get(Pickup.Serial) returning null?

I give myself an item through RA, drop it, and then Item.Get returns null

[restive turret]

If you provide a serial that doesnt exist

Yes, because Item.Get only gets the item from the players inventory, for the pickup you already have Pickup.Get(serial)

[upper vapor]

^^^

You need to give the pickup to a player for you to get the item

If you wanna modify properties of a pickup, that's either simple via the designated pickup wrapper, or a bit complicated for autosync items & firearms

[celest thorn]

How can i make a ragdoll spawned from a player make revivable from 049 or usable by 3114 and if there's any flag or something i could check?

[restive turret]

Do some attack damage , I think if you do custom reason it should work

[plush glade]

Yeah was doing firearms but got it to work

[celest thorn]

nope it doesn't

[restive turret]

F

[slate flume]

Scp3114Disguise::AnyValidateBegin
3114's disguising ability doesn't have a time limit on the corpses
Scp049ResurrectAbility::CheckBeginConditions
It checks the ragdoll existence time using ragdoll.Info.ExistenceTime on BasicRagdoll

[celest thorn]

idk why but still nothing

[slate flume]

So you can either change the existence time on ragdolls, transpiler patch the bool ? 18f : 12f to make it return different values, or do a prefix

[celest thorn]

i love transpilers

        CustomReasonDamageHandler damageHandler = new CustomReasonDamageHandler(message.SyncInputText);

        damageHandler.StartVelocity += TheCorePlugin.Instance.Config!.VelocitySlingShot;
        damageHandler._velX += (short)TheCorePlugin.Instance.Config!.VelocitySlingShot.x;
        damageHandler._velY += (short)TheCorePlugin.Instance.Config!.VelocitySlingShot.y;
        damageHandler._velZ += (short)TheCorePlugin.Instance.Config!.VelocitySlingShot.z;

        Ragdoll.SpawnRagdoll(ev.Player, damageHandler);

I use this but nope

Still not usable by the player

3114 and 049

[slate flume]

In what context are you doing this?

[celest thorn]

OnPlayerSpawningRagdoll

[slate flume]

Have you tried to see what happens if you use a different damagehandler?

[celest thorn]

i can't

[upper vapor]

the ragdoll doesn't exist at the time

[celest thorn]

i need to use CustomReasonDamageHandler

[celest thorn]

bro smart

[celest thorn]

.

i respawn it

with my own code

[slate flume]

I know

But have you tried

Using a different one

To test

[celest thorn]

no

[upper vapor]

why don't you use OnSpawnedRagdoll

[slate flume]

L bozo

[slate flume]

ev.IsAllowed

[celest thorn]

because else slingshot wouldn't work

[upper vapor]

right

Ragdoll.SpawnRagdoll(ev.Player, damageHandler);

ah

[slate flume]

Maybe try a different damagehandler

To experiment

[celest thorn]

i tried

and it works

[slate flume]

So the issue is that you're using CustomDamageHandler

[celest thorn]

maybe

[slate flume]

Which means something in the code doesn't like it

[celest thorn]

idk

[slate flume]

Maybe?

[celest thorn]

nw side of skill issue

so not my problem

[slate flume]

If it works without using it then customdamagehandler is breaking something

[slate flume]

Or it's intentional

[celest thorn]

yea but if its intentional that sucks

[slate flume]

It's intentional

[celest thorn]

yea

Hmmm wait

firearm

[upper vapor]

so

CustomFirearmdh

ye

[celest thorn]

nope

it ask for a death translation

[slate flume]

So give it a death translation

[celest thorn]

its custom

[slate flume]

Make your own damagehandler

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/mydgaw9e.png

[celest thorn]

it will not read on the client

so its useless

[upper vapor]

okay why is it called CustomReasonFirearmDamageHandler if the reason is not custom

[celest thorn]

Idk figure it out yourself

[slate flume]

I'd usually be more help but I'm playing a game

Give me a little bit

[upper vapor]

is the ragdoll an 049-2 ragdoll?

[celest thorn]

No.

[upper vapor]

then what are we on

[celest thorn]

its a classD

[upper vapor]

1. owner has to be a spectator

[celest thorn]

classd needs to be revived

[upper vapor]

2. existence time

[celest thorn]

Obv they are

[celest thorn]

that too

[celest thorn]

.

[upper vapor]

you can set the ragdoll info's CreationTime to a big number

like

46448496841

[celest thorn]

Its because CustomReason isn't an AttackerDamageHandler

[upper vapor]

that's only for 049-2

[celest thorn]

oh yea

honestly idk why it doesn't work

i have 0 clue

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

[celest thorn]

why should i destroy that?

[upper vapor]

we're just blind ig

[celest thorn]

shouldn't the game do it

the countdown

[upper vapor]

wdym destroy

[slate flume]

Oh

No

[upper vapor]

the ragdoll is revivable for 12s

do you wanna extend it

[slate flume]

It's because CustomReasonDamageHandler doesn't have a valid ownerhub

[upper vapor]

or does it generally not work

[celest thorn]

lol

[slate flume]

Right?

[celest thorn]

it seems to be like so

[slate flume]

Maybe I'm dumb idk

I haven't looked at it

[celest thorn]

i cannot add a owner or something

[slate flume]

When you spawn a ragdoll I think it doesn't set ownerhub on the Info to something meaningful

[upper vapor]

make a labapi issue

[slate flume]

So ownerhub returns null

[celest thorn]

lol

[upper vapor]

cuz the owner isn't set on the ragdoll data

[celest thorn]

which version of labapi are we in

?

[upper vapor]

this is funny

[upper vapor]

nuget

check it

[celest thorn]

yea