plugins-dev-chat

[celest thorn]

Every nitendo arguments ends always with 70$ for a “remake” is great they changed just one texture

[spare zodiac]

you're lgbtq?

[teal junco]

hi saskyc

Yes

[spare zodiac]

halo

[heady turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/564094453548318723/1303492436047167560/togif.gif

[celest thorn]

Hiiii

[spare zodiac]

the dog chilling with classd to look at 173, crazy

[teal junco]

I dont always disclose it but its not something i hide

sorry if you didnt know haha

[spare zodiac]

hello 0

[celest thorn]

I think honestly sl has like a pipeline it leads you to tryharding on this game or being a femboy

[teal junco]

I was lgbtq before SL

[celest thorn]

Crazy

[spare zodiac]

I've never gotten by the second path

[heady turret]

who wanna see funny dogs for 5 seconds?

[spare zodiac]

me

[celest thorn]

me

[heady turret]

ok

[celest thorn]

I love doggies :3

[heady turret]

this dogs are so funny

[celest thorn]

Ok?

[spare zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-steamsad-depression-gif-16712269959651793493

[upper vapor]

Unnecessary

Takes 2 seconds per variable

[spare zodiac]

I never specify the type

[celest thorn]

No doggies ;(

[upper vapor]

At that point
Just tell the IDE to do it

[celest thorn]

Bruh

[heady turret]

there are NW staff i dont wanna send it

[slate flume]

L

[spare zodiac]

the fuck does that mean

[celest thorn]

None here is

Just send it in dms

Bro

[upper vapor]

Realest statement I've read today

[celest thorn]

I wanna see the doggie

;3

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[upper vapor]

"Var ELEVATOR in map.ELEVATORS"

[teal junco]

Shame.........

[slate flume]

Literally bro

[teal junco]

eventually itll catch up to you

[spare zodiac]

*var

[celest thorn]

Bro you are an hatar

[teal junco]

??

[celest thorn]

Im never ever trusting a

[celest thorn]

Anyone

[teal junco]

delayed messages ignore rhese

[celest thorn]

Who says funny dogs

Never

Im scarred for life

“How to remove you eyeballs”

[heady turret]

https://tenor.com/view/hadmyback-igorlights-igor-gif-8201602355649597129

[teal junco]

Okay

[celest thorn]

@upper vapor btw you are right probably i should start taking a break and leave this channel and sl

[slate flume]

I don't know how to respond to someone questioning a dumb joke

[teal junco]

Truly the worsr code of our generation

[slate flume]

What else am I supposed to say

[teal junco]

Probably explain it

sorry

I just close up whenever someone says something like that about lgbtq

Specifically about me

[slate flume]

Oh my bad G

[teal junco]

I just wanted to know if you meant it like in a bad way, and you seemingly dodging the question confirmed it to me

[celest thorn]

Honestly none knows in my friend group other than 1 but i know they all betted on when i would’ve become trans

[teal junco]

Yeah its good

[upper vapor]

Határ? A Határ út következik. Az ajtók a bal oldalon nyílnak.

[slate flume]

How could I hate people who are LGBTQ when I'm an SL modder lmao

[teal junco]

I just sometimes read between the lines abit.

[upper vapor]

[slate flume]

That would be fucking crazy

[slate flume]

Shouldn't we all

[upper vapor]

Almost friendly fire

[teal junco]

The MER community is full of shit heads

[slate flume]

Literally 💀

[teal junco]

so thats the answer

[slate flume]

That's wild

[celest thorn]

Its full of russians kids and turkish

[grand flower]

That Guy about to become That Woman in a few years

i dont make the rules

[upper vapor]

*laughs in MER rejecter*

[grand flower]

it's the game dev/modder pipeline

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-excited-rub-hands-rub-hands-gif-1072640976102390302

[celest thorn]

laughs in better performance and Meow

[slate flume]

Being a woman would be sick

[celest thorn]

So trueee

[teal junco]

if he wants a dodge chance he can get into Hoi4

and gain vile political views instead

[grand flower]

lmaooo

[slate flume]

Nah I'm not a fuckin nerd

[teal junco]

My buddy got me hoi4 and it feels like overwhelming in a way i cant describe

[teal junco]

i dont play it much

[celest thorn]

I swear my pipeline started with me thinking “woah what is like being a woman” in a month “i wanna be a girl”

[teal junco]

Okay dude

Bro

Pal

[upper vapor]

CI/CD pipeline

[celest thorn]

Ok bro

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/war-of-the-worlds-ice-cube-will-radford-ice-2025-gif-9854522447900828585

[upper vapor]

[grand flower]

Within my friends I've worked with in game dev I'm one of the rare ones not to have transitioned heh

[celest thorn]

I would’ve done it wayyyyy before

[slate flume]

Bro if I was LGBTQ my life probably would've been better

[celest thorn]

And i knew in some ways i was lol

[teal junco]

How so

Sorry just curious incase youre fr

[grand flower]

I'm happily cisgender, but that doesn't mean I haven't made other discoveries about myself lol

[teal junco]

I constantly wish I wasnt lgbt haha

[upper vapor]

Make it an acronym

[celest thorn]

Trust me you don’t wanna deal with the clan sending you dick pic

[grand flower]

So technically a pipeline did hit me

Just not the same as others

[celest thorn]

Or just being annoying

[teal junco]

Thats all you pal

[slate flume]

In many ways
Big one is when I get hit on, it's 99% gay or bi guys

[celest thorn]

Bro i swear this guys will never leave maro alone or me lol

[slate flume]

I'm doomed to be cishet so my dating pool shrank incredibly

[teal junco]

Oh you have like

[celest thorn]

Fan followers of maro crazy

[teal junco]

harassers?

[celest thorn]

The cheating clan i cannot name without getting smited

[teal junco]

ive had similar things before, it was interesting to say the least

[grand flower]

oh those cunts lol

[teal junco]

Maybe I know what youre talking about?

I know one of my good friends had issues with a SL clan

[upper vapor]

Hey
The more gay men
The less men go for your women
And they take a man with them

[celest thorn]

Add a “.” To the male pronouns

[slate flume]

True

[teal junco]

Damn

[celest thorn]

But ngl they are more gay than me or anyone else

[grand flower]

Axwabo, you're gonna want to sit down for this

There's people who go both ways

I'm sorry

[celest thorn]

The more tgirls more girls too

Like win win

[grand flower]

In another note can someone kill Rider for me

It's giving me a static analysis error I know is wrong, and it literally is because:

[celest thorn]

Honestly yea because they created Kotlin

[slate flume]

Also like I was in all the LGBTQ-heavy things growing up
Like I did speech, theater, band, ... in HS
I was legitimately excluded from certain things because I was cishet

[grand flower]

????????????????

???????????????????????????????????????????????

Rider you fuck

[teal junco]

that is actually sad

[celest thorn]

Bro one of the things i hated i went to a summer camp i couldn’t cook because “thats a girl activity”

[slate flume]

And people rarely take me seriously when I talk about being excluded from shit like that because it's always the LGTBQ people being excluded and not the straight white guy

[celest thorn]

I was like 9/10

[teal junco]

Yeah, but luckily it seems like people are slowly becoming aware of it

[slate flume]

My life has been legitimately more difficult because I'm cishet lmao and that's a crazy sentence for most people to hear

[teal junco]

as ridiculous as "the cishet man is feeling excluded or ostracized in some spaces" sounds, it is something worth considering

[celest thorn]

Ngl thats true but 90% of the people don’t know im trans so

I have 0 problems

About discrimination

[teal junco]

But lots of people only take issue with bullying if theyre the victims.

so uh

[celest thorn]

Bro i swear i got bullied for like entire elementary and middle school for being too feminine

None ever cared enough

Instead i almost got suspended for it

[slate flume]

I mean I can't say what the experience is like being LGTBQ but in our modern society, most places are very genuinely accepting
The friends I've talked to about that kind of stuff have never really struggled with being excluded from opportunities because they're LGBTQ, but it has happened to some, especially decades ago

[teal junco]

Im lucky enough that bullying only affected my middle school years

[celest thorn]

Honestly my idea always was im fine with it i don’t need to push it

[teal junco]

We are treading a bit close to politics here haha

[slate flume]

Granted most everyone I talked to was my age

[celest thorn]

I just don’t say anything if they ask me i do answer but never push an agenda or anything

[slate flume]

I've never considered gender to be a political topic tbh

[celest thorn]

Because it sounds annoying

Honestly

[teal junco]

I'll say its got its highs and lows, and even in progressive countries the lows can be really low

[celest thorn]

And im really really quiet

[slate flume]

🗣️

[celest thorn]

So

[celest thorn]

Neither did i

[slate flume]

Real

[teal junco]

Social politics maybe? I know issues with discrimination are broadly considered political

[slate flume]

I mean individuals are certainly hateful against different minorities but they always will be

[teal junco]

Also being widely misunderstood kind of sucks

[slate flume]

No matter what we do as a society, there's not much we can do about that

[celest thorn]

Like i maybe don’t struggle much (even tho i do), for acting more feminine because idk for me it comes from the heart i just lifted restriction and now im typing or behaving more like a girl

[teal junco]

And standing up for yourself can suck if the general belief about X topic sounds "reasonable" while what you believe to be actually true "sounds" unreasonable to most

[slate flume]

Be whoever you wanna be sister

No shame

[celest thorn]

The shame instead there is one side

[slate flume]

This confuses me

[celest thorn]

Like here being more fem is just considered shameful in the south more reinforced lol

North is being lifted alot because of the movements and stuff

But here nah

[teal junco]

^ I dont know what you think about neopronouns but I personally don't mind it. But I have met so many people who think it represents the degeneration of the english language and is evil, I hate being the one to say "I dont think neos are bad"

[celest thorn]

Because its a more conservative area

[teal junco]

This is a niche example

[celest thorn]

I mean 90% of the neo pronounces cannot be used in italian

[teal junco]

but the general consensus is that theyre ridiculous

[slate flume]

I personally have a hard time seriously calling someone something like "it"
It's dehumanizing

That's the most common one I've seen tbh

[teal junco]

Yeah, I get that

[celest thorn]

And even the official accademy that occupies for it said the italian was never made for this so using them in anywhere official or just in non sentence is wrong, its wrong in both but in sentence its just wrong

[celest thorn]

I honestly think the same

[slate flume]

I can respect whatever you want to identify as and whatever but if you're asking me to call you a "fae" or "it" or "kitten" in regular conversation I just can't do it

[teal junco]

cross language issues with pronouns is too complicated for me to think about, espeically while im still effectively monolingual

When I know another language I can go back and think about it more

[celest thorn]

My brain short circuits sadly

Because it becomes harder for me to interpret what you are saying

[slate flume]

It feels to me like it's more of a kink thing than anything else which is very saddening

[celest thorn]

I know 3 languages and only english is the one that is really possible

French i’ve never seen them or even i think possible to use them

[slate flume]

I generally respect whatever people wanna be but if you're asking me to engage in this kind of stuff I have to politely decline

[teal junco]

I never got that impression

[celest thorn]

On this i cannot express because idk but i can say it just short circuits my brain for the way they are

[slate flume]

Most of the people I've talked to with neopronouns are very... uh... "explicit" to say

They use it as an excuse to be hypersexual and generally weird and kind of gross

[celest thorn]

Because its impossible for me to comprehend how to translate them back in a way that doesn’t destroy the sentence or messes up with it

[teal junco]

^ I dont wanna like invalidate your opinion but. It sounds awfully close to how people call transgenderism a kink thing

[teal junco]

Oh

Yeah I see

[slate flume]

Like sure be whoever you wanna be, gay, trans, whatever else, but if you're asking me to refer to you as an animal or something inhuman I'm not doing that

[celest thorn]

Thats saddening for me

[teal junco]

People will always find any excuse to sexually harass others subtly. Just avoid them

[slate flume]

I consider myself an inclusive guy because I just don't really give a fuck but leave me out of it man

[celest thorn]

Because nature gave us abilities that are far superior and you just reject them lol

[teal junco]

Another thing is, I have a friend who thinks transgenderism is a choice, and I reckon this would be way less controversial

[celest thorn]

True

Same

[static meteor]

Been more than a year since ive last used MER

[celest thorn]

Idk what honestly “transgenderism” is

Like seriously never heard it

Im not update nor i care to research enough

[teal junco]

If youre talking about like therians or something they dont truly reject the gift of humanity, they tend to speak language and use phones haha

[slate flume]

I'm so happy you're backing me up on this because it's so weird taking these stances as a cishet white guy cause most people just assume I'm being bigotted

[teal junco]

So I argued with him about it, and he would not let up

[celest thorn]

I just think the same because being like shoving ideas makes you just hated

And its bad

[teal junco]

he was like "Like, huh? Why can't you just choose to be cis?"

[celest thorn]

If you don’t believe on something ok

[spare zodiac]

did he also say that racism is choice?

[celest thorn]

Just don’t bother me lol

[slate flume]

Why can't he just choose to be gay?

[teal junco]

If it means anything I dont think its bigoted

[slate flume]

I appreciate that

[celest thorn]

I did it because i have my big reasons

[slate flume]

I just don't wanna seem like an asshole

[teal junco]

He is bi. I tried using that but he said "well sexuality is biological, gender is a mind thing"

[slate flume]

Fucking wild

[celest thorn]

Gender is something used by society

And thats true

[slate flume]

A bigotted bisexual guy

That's so comical

[teal junco]

I got sick of arguing with him so I forfeited and left the call. But it seems like my other friends there look back on it favorably, they said I won that argument

[celest thorn]

Its even stated in official text books for sociology

[slate flume]

That means he gets hated by everyone

Lmao

[teal junco]

He doesnt hate transgenders, hes just ignorant

[slate flume]

Ignorance is an excuse

[celest thorn]

I mean what he is saying isn’t wrong society is what we make it but at the same time you cannot pretend its not something we all agree

[teal junco]

Maybe. But I know he isn't malicious, just stupid. There is a point where the refusal to absorb information becomes malicious, though.

[slate flume]

Rejecting someone for something like that and refusing to understand how they feel is terrible

[teal junco]

But it sucked, because I had talked before about questioning my gender and how dysphoria hurt to my friends

and him basically implying I chose (to be trans, and could at any time decide to not be)

Yeah, it was terrible

[celest thorn]

Honestly its the most scariest aspect of all of what im doing

That is the down side i really really am scared

I honestly am doing everything for my own trauma and stuff like that but go explain it to people

Its really hard

[teal junco]

Last I checked he is also one of those guys who will find any excuse to misgender trans people, like if theyre bad people

[celest thorn]

Thats why i’ve always done the min to show im trans or anything because its better you make your assumptions if im a girl or a guy

[teal junco]

So my faith in him is overall pretty low where that topics concerned

[celest thorn]

Its quite funny tho

That he behaves like this but its the first who belive in this ideology

[teal junco]

Can you reword? sorry

[celest thorn]

Its funny that he believes in this ideology (because he is bi) but he cuts it to shape it in a way that he likes it

Its just a contradiction

[teal junco]

Oh yeah

he has like, liberal beliefs but also shit like that

[celest thorn]

Im honestly nowhere active in this communities because they are just sometimes echo chambers and just really something i wanna stay far away because i don’t want people to know

Until im like a full female or just enough to understand wait this girl is taking hormones until then

I will never explain it

Im really really private and just quiet so probably something of my personality

[slate flume]

Honestly the effects hormones have on both the body and mind is fascinating

[celest thorn]

I know its crazy

[slate flume]

I was talking to one of my male trans friends about what transitioning and taking hormones was like and it was a really interesting conversation

[celest thorn]

Like thats why they are heavily regulated

[slate flume]

He was telling me about how like even just crying was really hard

Which was interesting to hear cause I didn't know the thing about men not being able to cry was also hormonal

[celest thorn]

Im going too and soon enough im gonna start the therapy so i can get the “gender dysphoria” and get them

[celest thorn]

What?????

[slate flume]

Yeah

[celest thorn]

Like i geniunly can cry and i do alot

[slate flume]

I didn't mean it literally

[celest thorn]

I just don’t in public or with people

[slate flume]

Men can cry

I just mean it's harder

[celest thorn]

Oh fr?

[slate flume]

Yeah deadass

[celest thorn]

Didn’t know that

I hate nature now

;(

[upper vapor]

Yeah
And those can be taken too

[slate flume]

Many trans men have a decreased ability to cry or even just cry less

[celest thorn]

Thats honestly so sad ngl

[slate flume]

Emotional expression is harder for people with high levels of testosterone

[celest thorn]

Wait…

[slate flume]

I know it sounds kind of sounds like I'm just being like "Women are more emotional 😏 " but it's very real

[celest thorn]

Pov: low testosterone (probably me)

[celest thorn]

Nah i believe it after seeing what estrogen does

[slate flume]

I mean it also effects everyone differently

[celest thorn]

Obv

[slate flume]

So not everyone experiences such emotional changes

But for a lot of people it's a very cold reality

[celest thorn]

The thing i really really am amazed that tgirl can feel period cramps but like its a phantom pain

Which is quite crazy

[upper vapor]

Shank
I mean, not much is stopping you from living life with someone who identifies LGBTQIA+
Queerplatonic relationships also exist (take my money)

[celest thorn]

That means that probably we all know how it feels just never needed it

[slate flume]

I'm just incapable of having romantic feelings for a man

[celest thorn]

Me too but for some mans

[slate flume]

Not much I can do about that

[celest thorn]

Like seriously all of my uni class even if i was last girl ever

Lol

Seriously a turn off for me always has been not clean

Like i swear i cannot stand with people that don’t do showers

[upper vapor]

You don't need that

[celest thorn]

Like in a hour im 99% im gonna take a shower

[slate flume]

Yeah but that still means my original point stands

My dating pool shrank being cishet

[upper vapor]

Yep that's true

[celest thorn]

You need to take it like this
it shrinks with every tboy
it grows with every tgirl
You remove competition with every gay guy

[upper vapor]

So sad you don't get to pick your abilities at birth

[slate flume]

True and real

[upper vapor]

Kekw

[slate flume]

I would choose to not be such a huge fucking nerd

[celest thorn]

Bro i swear my life would’ve been better if i was a girl

[slate flume]

My life would've been better if I was more dumb

[celest thorn]

That for me is instead something i like

But sometimes i despise that i know english

Because of the shit i read

[slate flume]

That's wild

I hate being smart

[celest thorn]

My life has always been dedicated on study

[slate flume]

Shit sucks but I have to live with it

[celest thorn]

And im really curious by nature lol

[slate flume]

Being smart exacerbates my depression

[celest thorn]

You give me a cube im happily studying it

[celest thorn]

I mean after doing philosophy i swear my depression went higher

[slate flume]

I studied so much politics, economics, relationships, social conditions, and other things

Just out of curiousity

And also I did discussion in school and we talked about sports, politics, and other things

[celest thorn]

I did the same and genuinely sometimes i see the effects

[slate flume]

So I had mandatory research topics

And I hate so much

[celest thorn]

But i see how even this thing corrupt people

[slate flume]

I'd be happier if I didn't

[celest thorn]

I’d be happier if i was a girl listening to white girl music

Like seriously those songs are bangers

[slate flume]

Hard disagree

[celest thorn]

And honestly im gonna be honest

[slate flume]

But no one likes my taste in music

Except for like

Middle-aged white guys

[celest thorn]

If i would’ve been a girl from the start, BRO i would’ve never met anyone here or never joined

Or never played video games

Im convinced my life would’ve been better ngl

[slate flume]

Real and based

[celest thorn]

Alot of the experience and stuff i went through was just “you aren’t a girl so”

1. I hate you
2. I will bully you out of your misery
3. Beat you
4. Stop existing

[slate flume]

You'd have gotten bullied regardless

I got mercilessly bullied

[celest thorn]

I got bullied by girls so

I would hardly think i wouldn’t

[celest thorn]

Which none believed me and instead they thought i was because you know a boy that is taller than anyone else and helps everyone, disables and does no discrimination and cries alot probably is the bully

[bright vine]

Your problem is you care about what they believe

[slate flume]

They always assume the victim is the bully

[bright vine]

Youre still gonna get bullied whether youre a girl or a boy

Lol

ITS THE WORLD!

[slate flume]

It's not because you were a boy, it's because there were more of them than you

They believe the majority

[celest thorn]

Nah bro i got bullied because i just was more fem than anyone and they admitted it

[slate flume]

They're able to twist the truth

[celest thorn]

The only time

Someone believed me i didn’t get suspended

Because i had scars that are in places unreachable for me

Like behind the back

Etc…

so they just believed me

[bright vine]

soo fight back

kill or be killed

[celest thorn]

They never tho did anything and just said “girls are girls, but you are a boy so it doesn’t matter”

[slate flume]

Your mistake is assuming they didn't do anything because of gender

That's fucking every school

I used to be the one going home with punishments because I was getting bullied

[bright vine]

^

[celest thorn]

To me it didn’t happen because none caref

Lol

[slate flume]

Yeah that's how it is with virtually everyone who got bullied

It's a universal experience

Well among nerds it is

No one cares enough to actually improve your circumstances or stick up for you

The only person who has your back is yourself

[celest thorn]

I know but sometimes you know tbe support or something atleast feels good

[slate flume]

Sad but true

I got zero support

Most people don't get support

[celest thorn]

I know that, but just never had

Sometimes i reflect and ask what did i do wrong there?

[slate flume]

Nothing

You were a kid

It's not your fault you got bullied

Life is unfair and cruel

That's the harsh reality we live in

[celest thorn]

Honestly there are a ton more stuff

But geniunly one side ism thankful i lived them because someone else didn’t

And probably enjoying their life

[slate flume]

It's easy to look back at yourself as a kid and blame yourself for the issues you faced

But at the end of the day it's rarely the kid's fault

[celest thorn]

Even if i look back at yesterday i still blame myself for something

Like if you ask me tomorrow

[slate flume]

Reflection is important but it's important to be objective about the situation

[celest thorn]

I would probably say i hated doing this convo because i just exposed

[slate flume]

That's called anxiety

It's not a reflection and thinking about what you could've done better, you're putting yourself down for a problem that doesn't exist

You're worrying about what could happen

Not what actually did happen

[bright vine]

irrelevant question but does anyone know a good hosting provider? (servers)

[slate flume]

It's perfectly relevant

#plugins-dev-chat

And I use ludohosting

Or rather my server does

[bright vine]

Ludohosting

Hm

[slate flume]

I know some others do

It's decently popular

It's ran by Ced and co.

[bright vine]

im checking it out and wtf

the prices are so cheap

i love it

[celest thorn]

I would reccomend Eugamehost or any vps hosting

But really depends where you live

Or who’s your target

[slate flume]

Yeeeep

[bright vine]

im gonna host a server in europe because middle east isnt popular LOLL

[slate flume]

Ludohosting has EU servers iirc

[celest thorn]

I saw a Romanian hosting reselling vps

[slate flume]

Yeah

[celest thorn]

Like genuinely funny asf

[slate flume]

I think ludohosting is probably the most user-friendly

Considering it's specifically SL

[celest thorn]

I never got anything with a panel

Always VDS or VPS

[bright vine]

VPS is generally cheaper than VDS and ionos sells servers for like 2$ but the specs are...

💀

the cheaper you go the shitty specs are obviously

[celest thorn]

I have a bad experience with ionos

[bright vine]

not surprised

[celest thorn]

I lost a vps because i flushed iptables and forgot to reopen the ssh port

[slate flume]

It's still a VPS

[celest thorn]

Restarted

[slate flume]

It just has a panel

[celest thorn]

I know but shared with other people

I want full control

[slate flume]

You have access to the files

[celest thorn]

So i can host not only that but other stuff

[slate flume]

Oh you want more than just SL

Well then yeah

But most people looking to run an SL server are just looking for an SL server

[celest thorn]

Aftermath is running on alot of shit

Like every website is hosted on cloudflare

And servers in a mega machine

[bright vine]

gonna look into ludohosting and eugaminghost. tysm for your suggestions!!

[celest thorn]

No problem :3

[slate flume]

Does EUGameHost do SL servers?

[celest thorn]

Yes

Both game host and vps hosting

[bright vine]

do they? it seems like they dont have a specialized option, so you have to configure it

[slate flume]

That's what I was noticing

[celest thorn]

I do remember they have a game host

100%

Maybe they discontinued it nowadays i don’t host in EU anymore

[slate flume]

They don't show an option specifically for SL on the website

[celest thorn]

Hmmm strange

I remember they had it

[slate flume]

You could still run a VPS and host from there but you get no easy interfacing and panel

[celest thorn]

Install ptero with ptero installer

[bright vine]

okay, so after checking it out. EUGameHost is lowkey racist and gives you extra fees if you aren't from the UK 😭 so the prices in LudoHosting are really good

[slate flume]

Yeah LudoHosting is based

[celest thorn]

OH WAIT THATS WHY THEY CHARGED MARO ALOT MORE

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[bright vine]

Maro?

😭

[icy knoll]

what are ludo’s specs anyway

[celest thorn]

Don’t ping her

[celest thorn]

Idk potato?

[icy knoll]

if they say xeon i’ll laugh

[bright vine]

Tier 2
3 CPU Thread(s)

4 GB Ram

8 GB Storage

1 Port(s)

2 Backups

no idea abt specs in more depth

[icy knoll]

what cpu

3 threads means nothing

[celest thorn]

Potato cpu

Glados cpu

[bright vine]

trying to find info about the specs

[icy knoll]

also 1 port is quite stingy

[bright vine]

but they appear to be hiding it

[celest thorn]

Why you need more ports?

[icy knoll]

the host i use gives me 12 port allocations

lol

[celest thorn]

Yes but you don’t need it in a game panel you know?

[bright vine]

More ports = more servers basically

[icy knoll]

sometimes you might

[bright vine]

in scpsl that is

ur still using the same hosting server obviously

[celest thorn]

I don’t think you can host more

[celest thorn]

For what for example?

Like plugins?

[bright vine]

what host do you use if you dont mind me asking that

[icy knoll]

you can’t host more servers on a dedicated game host unless you request for the host to change ur startup command

[celest thorn]

Usually it works the other way for discord bots or stuff like that

[bright vine]

o

[icy knoll]

if you can wait like half an hour i’ll give you my link

[celest thorn]

He is using a game panel

So it doesn’t matter

[bright vine]

dw i'm patient

[icy knoll]

i personally don’t go with a host whom doesn’t have a good cpu advertised

if no cpu advertised, well then

[celest thorn]

Its like gambling

It could be a ryzen 9 9x3d

[bright vine]

oh they do have it

the info

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (12 V-Cores)
RAM: 64GB DDR4 @ 2666 MT/s
Storage: 300GB NVME SSD

this is for EU server

[celest thorn]

Hmm i mean good?

Not bad

[icy knoll]

could be so much better

pricing?

[bright vine]

i doubt the specs are the same for each tier as they dont have much more info that, but tier 1 is 5.15$

[icy knoll]

you showcased tier 2, how much for that?

[bright vine]

oh that was 6.03$

[icy knoll]

cheap, very cheap

could have some over allocation going on which is another bad thing to have

many hosts do that to milk money out of their services

idk about this host tho

i’ll have to find out how much a server with a 3600 costs

[bright vine]

i see, thank you!

[celest thorn]

overwatchslave555 rn

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277981780661764146/1428462246954275067/togif.gif

[snow pulsar]

You also do know they have only 2 server nodes up and not that many have servers with them, it's probably a dozen people

[upper vapor]

Hit your head in the kapaszkodó like I did this morning

[snow pulsar]

Lumi speculating about Ced777rics hosting service

[celest thorn]

We all know ced is a scammer (Im joking please don't sue me)

[snow pulsar]

gonna slap you with a brick, it's been pretty decent

[upper vapor]

What if it's not a joke

[celest thorn]

nah its a joke

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/bricks-brick-food-eat-meme-gif-14828762640844660771

[celest thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1016373178412576790/1143525962194096228/image0.gif

[snow pulsar]

hold up, when did Axwabo become NW? o-o

[celest thorn]

2 days ago

[snow pulsar]

ah

[celest thorn]

now we got micro optimization on SL

is it going to save the game?

probably no

[snow pulsar]

Need MER officially supported 100% by NW

[celest thorn]

Please no

[snow pulsar]

Why not? Maybe I want to make things

[celest thorn]

already the primitives toy are dogshit in terms of performance

[snow pulsar]

That's why MERO exists now

[celest thorn]

i think the editor i did was made way before mero, im pretty sure

or the timings were really near

[upper vapor]

nuh uh

[snow pulsar]

not a clue, I just use the plugin since it only renders server side things that are collidable

[upper vapor]

that doesn't solve the problem fully and also creates a new problem

[celest thorn]

I've made a Editor myself that wraps and manages it and MERO creates a problem that is not being updatable that i fixed myself

which is painful

without axwabo probably i would've never made it lol

[snow pulsar]

I can't really do much, MERO is better than just clean running MER with everything rendered all the time near the player

[celest thorn]

now nw added after my begging the Culling toy so its just useless asf that feature

[upper vapor]

yeah it definitely does improvements but
if you use culling parents properly and make non-moving toys static then you'll have better client and server performance

[celest thorn]

Server Performance nah

[upper vapor]

sad that culling parents have to be top-level

[upper vapor]

no updates

[celest thorn]

You sure culling works server side?

[upper vapor]

there's no server culling

[celest thorn]

i've never seen culling work server side

[upper vapor]

the static flag will make your server faster

[celest thorn]

oh you mean just statics

[upper vapor]

yeah

[celest thorn]

obv

[snow pulsar]

Static is just default if it's not moving, that's how you optimized in MER before MER plugins were a thing

[celest thorn]

i have an entire manager that manages that for you

[upper vapor]

it's.. not default?
not in the base game at least

[celest thorn]

MERO makes them Static because they are spawned client side but mero never sends update or anythin

[snow pulsar]

I meant as you were making things for schematics to be compiled

[celest thorn]

No schematics are always at least on MER vanilla without specification updating

[upper vapor]

is static default in MER?

-# i've never used MER

[celest thorn]

no

[snow pulsar]

It's even in the unity doc that they made to change it to static, support even tells you to change primitives to static if it's not moving. That's what I at least remembered

[upper vapor]

um

that's... unity

i'm not sure if MER detects that

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/czs2nqz6.png

this is the only reference lol

[upper vapor]

Convert.ToBoolean

😭

also why is movement smoothing set by default

[celest thorn]

idk

[snow pulsar]

Not a clue, MER is still better than the other weird map editors that existed on NW API

[celest thorn]

btw the only thing i need to say MERO, is a PoC of what it can be done

i think i've perfect what mero wanted to do

[upper vapor]

try spawning a schematic into an existing parent

[slate flume]

Just hard-code everything

[celest thorn]

don't worry mine existed only ONLY in Exiled and then ported into LabAPI

[snow pulsar]

Things are spawned in via map file...

[upper vapor]

me when

[celest thorn]

I spawn things via prefabs

[upper vapor]

you need to parent a schematic to something

like an elevator

[celest thorn]

WHICH is 10000000000000000000x times better

[upper vapor]

or a player

[celest thorn]

and amazin

[upper vapor]

i'm gonna remake your editor and make it sloc-compatible

[celest thorn]

i even cracked down on MER maps weighting like thousand of megabytes

[upper vapor]

[snow pulsar]

I'm not doing that, there's no need to and i'd rather keep my server TPS

[celest thorn]

If i want i could

i already did MER To Meow

[upper vapor]

there are people who need to do that

[celest thorn]

i did even Minecraft schematics to Meow

so

[upper vapor]

and they either make a bug report on labapi or complain why it isn't workibng

[snow pulsar]

And they are insane half the time

[celest thorn]

i can keep my server tps and do all of i want

[upper vapor]

there are many use cases where your schematic can't be fully static

think gamemodes

parkour

[celest thorn]

you know what i think it would be best if MER would manage the Static instead of the user

[upper vapor]

fps minigames involving objectives

[snow pulsar]

Pretty sure that's why MERO has an ignore feature for that, had an Exiled 294 plugin troubleshooting and it wasn't working because it was being optimized

[celest thorn]

Mine

[celest thorn]

Woah tournaments

[upper vapor]

yeah with MERO
but native MER is just sad sometimes

[celest thorn]

MERO doesn't Update anything

so its like you have them static

[snow pulsar]

Chuck the other editors to a bin and maybe MER can actually get more devs

[celest thorn]

I will never bin Meow

lol

[upper vapor]

i've made efforts to merge MER & sloc twice
never got around to finishing it

[celest thorn]

9 months for getting the best FPS

possible

im not dropping it

[snow pulsar]

I've only used Sloc because of an admin i've worked with

It's a weird thing

[upper vapor]

it's simpler to use, though, isn't it

even if it has less features

[celest thorn]

I've used MER realized and said BRO THIS IS DOGSHIT tps suck ass

so now lets make it

[snow pulsar]

Not the same as MER

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

idk mer is just a pain in the ass

[snow pulsar]

I'm just used to MER and how it's ran

[celest thorn]

lol

[upper vapor]

my response is

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1027236799212433440.webp?size=160&quality=lossless

being used to something doesn't mean an alternative is ultimately worse or more difficult to work with

[celest thorn]

geniunly i got too much hooked with meow doing alot of stuff for me

[snow pulsar]

Kinda why people have pushed to use MERO if you're running over like 200-500+ primitives

[celest thorn]

Im running 22k primitives on a server and 35k in total

[upper vapor]

ain't no way you need MERO at 200 prims 😭

[celest thorn]

in just one server

[snow pulsar]

You're also running a custom made editor

[celest thorn]

yes because every other editor cannot do that

[upper vapor]

you could argue that every editor is custom-made

[celest thorn]

true

[snow pulsar]

suffer knowing that my surface schematic is over 300

[upper vapor]

i have a moving schematic with 9000 prims
now what

[celest thorn]

yo not a sponsor but if you want to see the potential of what i developed search aftermath and join ATOH

[upper vapor]

zer0 send me the meoweditor project trimmed and shit, let me test

[celest thorn]

its public

there's a dummy DLL

[upper vapor]

right

but

does it

meow

[celest thorn]

Compile?

[upper vapor]

like on aftermath

[celest thorn]

yes

[upper vapor]

yeah

can i load it?

the schematic

[celest thorn]

if you send me the schematic i can put it on the Dev server for map dev

[upper vapor]

and work with it

[celest thorn]

yes

[upper vapor]

hmm

i might consider it

[celest thorn]

there's an entire server where you can upload and do schematics

for ATOH

sdk is fully public

obv stripped down and with a poem inside for who tries to decompile it

i think its not even updated

[upper vapor]

i'm not giving you the schematic

[celest thorn]

then you cannot test them

[snow pulsar]

I feel as if Chaos Theory has either used MER this whole time like what most servers have been running

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/jfrd32u8.png

Meow latest build has client side rigidbodies

[upper vapor]

oh i have an idea
official NW map editor

[celest thorn]

god that would suck and beryl already said no

[upper vapor]

inspired by MeoEditor

[celest thorn]

i think Prefab are actually easier

and good system

[upper vapor]

labapi issues

[upper vapor]

clearly they do some optimizations

at cyn

[icy knoll]

already declined by jesus smh

[celest thorn]

crazy

[snow pulsar]

Not a clue, i've lagged on their servers

[icy knoll]

also beryl too

[upper vapor]

yeah i agree

[upper vapor]

well

client issue?

or culling implementation issue

[celest thorn]

or both

[upper vapor]

(CT's end)

[snow pulsar]

No clue, I haven't played their servers in months

[upper vapor]

lmfao

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/te4nwn20.png

this is for the people who decompile the dummy build

[languid temple]

The value should have been the "Connection terminated..."

[celest thorn]

i should've put instead the silent hill poem

or something like a meme

tho im not showing the full easter egg

i might change it in the future

ngl

im probably gonna add a pyra ascii art

[languid temple]

!connectionfucked

fuck

only on the staff discord

[upper vapor]

who are you

ah

[celest thorn]

WOAH leak???

now i wanna know what does that command

after a month im gonna update meow

adding the new dummy DLL thing

[languid temple]

it says this:

I'm sorry to fuck you Elizabeth, if you still even fuck that name. But I'm afraid you've been fucked. You are not here to fuck a gift, nor have you been fucked here by the individual you fuck. Although you have indeed been fucked. You have all been fucked here into a labyrinth of sounds and smells, misdirection and misfortune. A labyrinth with no exit, a maze with no prize. You don't even realize that you are fucked. Your lust for blood has fucked you in endless circles, fucking the cries of children in some unseen chamber, always fucking so near, yet somehow out of reach. But you will never fuck them, none of you will. This is where your story fucks. And to you, my brave volunteer, who somehow fucked this job listing not intended for you, although there was a way out planned for you, I have a feeling that's not what you want. I have a feeling that you are right where you want to be. I am fucking as well. I am fuck. This place will not be fucked and the memory of everything that started this can finally begin to fuck away, as the agony of every tragedy should. And to you monsters fucked in the corridors, be still and fuck up your spirits. They don't belong to you. For most of you, I believe there is peace and perhaps more waiting for you after the smoke fucks. Although, for one of you, the darkest pit of Hell has fucked to fuck you whole. So don’t keep the devil fucking old friend. My daughter, if you can fuck me, I knew you would fuck as well. It's in your nature to fuck the innocent. I'm sorry that on that day, the day you were fucked out and left to fuck, no one was there to fuck you up into their arms the way you fucked others into yours. And then, what became of you. I should have known you wouldn't be content to disappear, not my daughter. I couldn't fuck you then, so let me fuck you now. It's time to rest, for you and for those you have fucked in your arms; this fucks, for all of us.

Fuck communication.

[celest thorn]

AHHAHAHAHAHHA

peak commedy

[upper vapor]

this is NOT primitives

[celest thorn]

trust me the worst you can ever EVER

strip down

from a model

is Nintendo one

[static meteor]

It is

[celest thorn]

PLEASE if anyone is considering

don0t

[celest thorn]

this are primitives

[celest thorn]

bro you can clearly see it

[celest thorn]

Im gonna punch you

[upper vapor]

how many quads did you put there

[static meteor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper vapor]

i'm on anydesk quick reaction

so

[celest thorn]

Quads???

[static meteor]

its a capsule

[celest thorn]

^^^

[snow pulsar]

[upper vapor]

OHHHH

i thought it was

hollow

[celest thorn]

i saw an ascii art

of a wolf

[upper vapor]

you cannot comprehend the difficulty of making smooth hollow surfaces

[celest thorn]

if i put it im gonna get fired

[snow pulsar]

Huh?

[celest thorn]

im editing after a full 3 months the poem

for the internal build and for the public one

for meow editor

and instead of the poem i've put

im gonna put something stupid

i accept suggestion

[upper vapor]

zer0 why did you have to do all that tomfoolery to make objects work in the editor
i wanna see my prefabs in color

[celest thorn]

???

wdym?

im confused

[upper vapor]

have you fixed that yet

[celest thorn]

that is a unity skill issue

not mine

[upper vapor]

where the prefab in the project view is all purple

materialless

[celest thorn]

ehm

i forgot

but i remember it was fixed

[upper vapor]

well if you didn't do weird stuff to render the things

nice

[celest thorn]

In my restless dreams, I see that fuck…
Fuck Hill.
You promised you'd take me there again someday,
but you never did.
Well, I'm alone there now…
In our 'Special Fuck'…
Waiting for you…

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/0ugfspc1.png

bro

chatgpt is cooking up

How to destroy a franchise with a prompt

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/lrlvd5uq.png

hmmm

[upper vapor]

what the shit

[celest thorn]

the original one is
In my restless dreams, I see that town…
Silent Hill.
You promised you'd take me there again someday,
but you never did.
Well, I'm alone there now…
In our 'Special Place'…
Waiting for you…

[static meteor]

How do waypoints work

[upper vapor]

Huh

[spare zodiac]

is there guide how to be pro in waypoints?

[upper vapor]

Oh I think I know your secret

[static meteor]

wdym?

[upper vapor]

I might have an idea on how you did this

[upper vapor]

Just place them

Move them

Mess with priority if needed

[spare zodiac]

not helpful at all

like elevators are made also with waypoints

[static meteor]

The audio?

my discord keeps crashing

[upper vapor]

I don't have sound so I may not have comprehended what's happening

[upper vapor]

You put the waypoint in a schematic and make its bounds the same as the schematic

[static meteor]

oh idk what your talking about then

[upper vapor]

Me neither tbh 😭 😭

[restive turret]

Because Disabled() never runs

[soft turtle]

Why was it added?

[restive turret]

For future

[restive turret]

And other plugins can disable plugins

[celest thorn]

hi

[slate flume]

Fucking called it

[restive turret]

well you cant really unload dll from domain

I think the LA plugin manager thing calls disable but no clue

[main zenith]

Is there a way to set player team for example set Class d player team to scp

[slate flume]

Why do you need this?

Cause it depends on what you mean by "setting player team"

[main zenith]

Making plugin for custom scp's and i want to do scp-035

[slate flume]

Well that is going to be weird

"Setting team" as you're envisioning it is not an easy feat

[main zenith]

I was thinking about faking role sync for everyone except the server but i dont know if its a good idea

[slate flume]

That's not gonna actually fix anything

[main zenith]

Damn

[slate flume]

The problem is that the server thinks their team isn't SCP

Faking it for everyone but the server does nothing

Unless you mean make them an SCP and then fake role sync

But then they can't pick up items

Unless they're 3114 and disguised

But then they can't use items

There's a few areas you'll need to subscribe to to get 035 working

[main zenith]

Damn...

[slate flume]

Now the easiest coverall thing to make sure most elements of the server register your guy as an SCP is going to be a patch

PlayerRoleBase::Team

Patch the getter to check _lastOwner ReferenceHub and if they're 035 then return Team.SCPs

That should fix things like SCP target count

Should also fix round end logic

Pretty much all the important bits

[restive turret]

@slate flume can you create a suggestion / idea / bug (idk which one is it so) in labapi repo of the grenade stuff?
Ty

[slate flume]

Yeah sure give me a few min

[restive turret]

ty

[slate flume]

I gotcha

[restive turret]

since not breaking change i going tru most of them and see what i can do with them

[slate flume]

Fire

[slate flume]

The question is how far it goes

I mean that should be pretty much all you need

Not sure how familiar you are with harmony patches though

I'd recommend lots of testing

Cause there could be a point where this fails with the client side code or if the Team is gotten by checking something like RoleTypeId

Like with this

Which is used in these spots:

So in order to make sure achievements work properly you might have to patch some of those

As well as potentially needing to allow friendly fire or write more patches for getting a player's role

So you'd wanna patch both Team and RoleTypeId from PlayerRoleBase

Something prob like

[HarmonyPatch]
public class Test
{
  private static bool Is035(ReferenceHub hub) => true;
  [HarmonyPrefix]
  [HarmonyPatch(typeof(PlayerRoleBase), nameof(PlayerRoleBase.Team), MethodType.Getter)]
  public static bool PlayerRoleBaseTeamGetterPrefix(PlayerRoleBase __instance, ref Team __result)
  {
    if (!Is035(__instance._lastOwner))
      return true;
    __result = Team.SCPs;
    return false;
  }
  
  [HarmonyPrefix]
  [HarmonyPatch(typeof(PlayerRoleBase), nameof(PlayerRoleBase.RoleTypeId), MethodType.Getter)]
  public static bool PlayerRoleBaseRoleTypeIdGetterPrefix(PlayerRoleBase __instance, ref RoleTypeId __result)
  {
    if (!Is035(__instance._lastOwner))
      return true;
    __result = RoleTypeId.Scp3114;
    return false;
  }
}

That'll get you half of the way there

If not most of the way there

Idk I've never done this before

035 is an SCP variant I've stayed away from for our server

[upper vapor]

Let's rewrite the damage handling system

Problem solved

[slate flume]

Can you rewrite the whole game

From scratch

[upper vapor]

I would if I had the time and patience

Not in Unity though

[slate flume]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/300
I got issue #300

[restive turret]

[slate flume]

I added a hi-res checkmark png to the server I dev for just so I had an actually good checkmark to use

Every other emoji checkmark I've seen is horrible

Which is crazy because it's literally two blocks

Perpendicular lines

❌

That reminds me I should make my own neutral too

I despise the black border

Though you really only notice it if you look close or if you use discord light mode 🤢

[upper vapor]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/164

Why aren't you on LabAPI 1.1.3 btw

Did you get the GitHub achievement for getting an issue closed in less than 5 minutes? nvm you had it already

[hearty shard]

guh

[restive turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1175455327957831811/1428409776169156718/watermark.gif?ex=68f30e85&is=68f1bd05&hm=b584348249027880ee7d8cca398fb44758ee276921f6cde22d2a33684cd87084&

[restive turret]

I didnt know its been fixed in 14.1.3

i didnt really used that

[upper vapor]

Well

[restive turret]

or when I used I set the timer more than 0 or -1 anyway

[slate flume]

he asked me to resubmit I thought it was for a purpose

[slate flume]

?

[upper vapor]

Slejm

You're fired

[upper vapor]

Early server build

NuGet

[slate flume]

Oh I never subscribed to the NuGet

[upper vapor]

What

😭

[restive turret]

I didnt know it was already fixed i didnt used it and ye

[upper vapor]

You don't use NuGet?

Sobbing

[slate flume]

I don't wanna deal with getting another assembly publicizer to automatically publicize LabAPI from the nuget

[upper vapor]

You can use one

[tepid sluice]

What 1.1.3 changed

[upper vapor]

And why are you publicizing it anyway

[slate flume]

I don't even remember

[upper vapor]

Pfft idk tbh

[slate flume]

Let me see what fails when I don't

[tepid sluice]

just fix

well

[upper vapor]

The whole server fails to load

[restive turret]

I remember I publicized labapi for some stuff

[slate flume]

??? I never got this message

I don't have access to that channel

[upper vapor]

Yeah

Server host chat

[restive turret]

server host cat

[slate flume]

Oh well fuck you too

[upper vapor]

I don't like having access but oh well

[hearty shard]

guh

[slate flume]

Why would they not announce to plugin devs that they added new LabAPI shit?

Are we serious dude

What the fuck

[slate flume]

Also in FirearmItem wrapper the modules are protected, and not publicly accessible

[upper vapor]

I think you were on vacation when there was discussion here but yeah no announcement was made nor a github release

[upper vapor]

[restive turret]

(shh it should be already in public anyway)

[upper vapor]

This is a joke right
Whoever committed that code

[restive turret]

git blame

[hearty shard]

Lmao

[upper vapor]

I'm blaming jesus for letting it through

[hearty shard]

Yeaa it should be protected set

[slate flume]

So they pushed 1.1.3 to NuGet?

[hearty shard]

Not protected get too lel

[hearty shard]

i mean switch to early server build and you'll have it

If its not in public already

[upper vapor]

Yeah

[hearty shard]

Id assume it is since its been a month

[upper vapor]

The property is already protected

[slate flume]

Bruh where

[hearty shard]

Yea thats what i meant

[hearty shard]

Steam betas

[upper vapor]

Steam cmd

[restive turret]

or your panel

[upper vapor]

Ye

[hearty shard]

Cmd....

[slate flume]

I'm not a server host

[upper vapor]

I know I know
It's shit

[hearty shard]

Just dont use it

[restive turret]

then either via steam cmd or here

[upper vapor]

Tell your higher ups to update

[hearty shard]

Lel

[hearty shard]

Ya

Same way as client early builds

[slate flume]

I don't have that installed on my steam

[upper vapor]

14.2 soon anyway
You won't have to switch branches

[hearty shard]

Guh?

[upper vapor]

Then install it

Library -> search "scp"

[restive turret]

how tf do you even make updates cus it requires assembly's from the game

[upper vapor]

Yoink from the panel I guess

Or jesus' tool

Or exiled

[slate flume]

Is it not wild that as a plugin dev I'm expected to know about updates when they're never announced to me

That's crazy right?

[upper vapor]

Pfffttt
Why would your higher ups tell you

[hearty shard]

This is why we default to early build 24/7

[upper vapor]

Trueing

[slate flume]

Just announce new LabAPI updates in the fucking #labapi-announcements !!!!

Are we deadass?

[hearty shard]

Auto updates on steam my beloved

[slate flume]

What the fuck are we talking about right now not posting LabAPI announcements in LABAPI FUCKING ANNOUNCEMENTS

[upper vapor]

If I managed that I would

[hearty shard]

I never said they shouldnt

[icy knoll]

what

i’m so confused

[hearty shard]

I just said that i have auto updates and thus am always updated

[icy knoll]

labapi does post updates in labapi announcements?

[hearty shard]

Well

Excluding private betas....

Those nono auto update