plugins-dev-chat

[pulsar locust]

I also have this section in my readme for impl details since https://athena.hackclub.com requires a concise readme

This is also just to remind me of what I need to do for it

And they broke the embed again

[celest thorn]

nah i just write shitty comments or else just info

just on really complicated logic

[teal junco]

are they reading your readme

or did i misread you

[teal junco]

im usually just afraid to overcomment

[pulsar locust]

hackclub is focused on open source projects, a concise readme is a massive requirement considering other people might use it
The implementation details are just there to remind myself mostly
And also readme padding

[grand flower]

unless your comments are "add a and b" or "water is wet" it's fine

[grand flower]

i'd rather tell someone to comment a tiny bit less over telling them they need to add a ton of comments everywhere

[teal junco]

ive also never had incentive to document any of my code because most of it lies in that zone where i can personally understand it by looking

[pulsar locust]

Oh also I still need to add the GPLv3 license, right now it's ARR since I forgot to add a license

[teal junco]

but i still add xml to my classes most of the time

[restive turret]

Ahrr

[teal junco]

and i havent collabed with any programmers

[restive turret]

I rarely do that

[dire iron]

I may be stupid,but I cant figure it out

[teal junco]

and if i ever do collab i want to do it with a programmer to which i am on equal footing to prevent any dynamics or complexes from forming

[restive turret]

So you clone yourself?

Make sure you are IClonable

[pulsar locust]

When you get to the mark of coding for 30 hours on project alone it gets massively boring

[restive turret]

[pulsar locust]

And also I'd like to clarify because of how wakatime works, it only tracks time as you are actively typing

Not just for having the project open

[teal junco]

preferably its somebody im friends with so that even if one is massively better than the other there is no issue

[restive turret]

I dont need to track that tbh

[teal junco]

i dont have that many programmer friends though

[pulsar locust]

It's a requirement for hackclub

[pulsar locust]

I don't either and the ones I do are usually just annoying to work with

[restive turret]

Bruh

[teal junco]

i dont track time, idk if ive gotten to 30 hours in any project alone

[grand flower]

the only thing I track is work hours i don't need a reminder of how much time programming takes in my life heh

[restive turret]

I just know "oh im shaking, time to eat" "oh im shaking again time to eat again, must be more than 3 hour"

[teal junco]

well i do have friends who are programmers but im just not amazingly close with any of them

[celest thorn]

same or i totally forget

[teal junco]

and my main friend group totally do not know how to code

[restive turret]

I know the current time by how hungry I am

[celest thorn]

crazy t imer

[grand flower]

My closest friend group is mostly devs I've worked with at different studios

[teal junco]

so im basically alone, i cannot scream about plugin bullshit to them and have them understand what im feeling. very sad, very emo.

[grand flower]

one of which was my lead for a while heh

we stuck together at 3 different jobs

until we finally had to split

[restive turret]

That's funny

[grand flower]

yeah

love them

[teal junco]

the closest ive ever gotten was this guy i dont even like anymore pestering me to teach him MER or plugin programming because he was sad me and my map dev partner were brought onto the staff team and hung out in the staff vc and he couldnt

[pulsar locust]

Also placeholder ahh name
It's just the best name I've come up with

I need to start working on the auth and first setup stuff again soon

[restive turret]

I mean mer is just moving blocks to places

[icy knoll]

ive gone back to vsc from webstorm because webstorm is so slow with imports and typescript it's so bad 😭

[pulsar locust]

I've been using zed for remoteadminplus for about 20 hours now

But I have used webstorm a lot so it's gonna stay as my top editor for a while

Also fun fact about the session code for my project
I pulled a laravel

logged in or not, you will have a session

Just no associated user

[teal junco]

well he is kind of a brick

so I dont know if he could handle that

anyways he was very sad about being left out and pestered the owner to bring him on as an MER dev even though he knew nothing about it

[pulsar locust]

Oh nvm only for 2 more hours

I have 20h in zed, 22h in webstorm

[teal junco]

and then said "this isnt a ploy to get admin or something i just wanna design cool shit"

[pulsar locust]

Anyway, this is Godot stuff but who can guess why I had to nest 2 array constructors

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920892682723811348/1423360013644070976/image.png?ex=68e006d0&is=68deb550&hm=23a65ce5d1368e731996f15fb315584ec45636a86988bf91f4580f3724499c6c&

[restive turret]

My editor would be
VS
VScode
Notepad

[teal junco]

my editor is just VS

its a very happy life.

[restive turret]

VScode is for file diffs

[teal junco]

No it is kind of sad

[restive turret]

And project with just text files

Like the yaml custom roles

Or plugin config edit

Notepad just to see "fast" whats inside

[pulsar locust]

This only tracks editors with a wakatime extension

I'd rather use npp over notepad

[teal junco]

npp is giga fire

[restive turret]

I use notepad for doing fast things

[teal junco]

i mean npp has ++ in the name its gotta be objectively better

[restive turret]

[pulsar locust]

Notepad++ is built to be fast too

It uses pure win32 apis

Which is why it's not officially ported to other platforms

[upper vapor]

update the server through steam or steamcmd

[pulsar locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1319564380509310998/1329852032852557864/attachment.gif

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-absolute-cinema-peak-cinema-salmon-jjk-gif-6981231960394212546

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373946123542069258/1395496171828416852/Hubert.gif

[icy knoll]

i still dont know if this is real or not

[upper vapor]

idk either tbh

[pulsar locust]

I think it's on the steam post where the com45 comes from

[teal junco]

Its a hard line

i will tell you thar

[pulsar locust]

Nvm

I do think that comment is real but I don't know where it comes from

[wanton turtle]

it's from the uh

you know

[teal junco]

no we dont

[wanton turtle]

errmmmm

y'knowww

[restive turret]

nah

[wanton turtle]

Decomposes you

[restive turret]

D:

[frail zinc]

It comes from here guys :

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2330393052

[upper vapor]

Peak

The post is not peak

Hubert's comment is

[pallid galleon]

Is there a way to stop bullets from colliding with a trigger?

[icy knoll]

set the layer

[pallid galleon]

any way to see which layers do what?

[pallid galleon]

ty!

[wary swift]

does anyone know prefab tantrum?

[restive turret]

Personally or?

[hearty shard]

skull

[restive turret]

I'm sorry

Will do worst next time

[static meteor]

I think this would work

TantrumEnvironmentalHazard tantrum = UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate(new TantrumEnvironmentalHazard());
tantrum.SynchronizedPosition = new RelativePosition(targetPosition);

NetworkServer.Spawn(tantrum.gameObject);

[wary swift]

Ty

I find it on discord exiled

[hearty shard]

wat

why are we not grabbing the prefab

yea like

thats not gonna work

@wary swift

you need the prefab not new()

NetworkClient.prefabs

[viral root]

Is there a way to remove the laser beam from the micro hid?

[cyan crown]

i don't think so

[unique crane]

No

[worn gull]

If I shoot a gun how can I make it silent?

[cyan crown]

ragdolls😼

[restive turret]

Press K to instantly die

[static meteor]

You dont

Client side

[dire iron]

I try running a test server for my plugins but this keeps showing up

[royal mica]

Well yeah, those are not standard for SL

you need to add those DLLs to the dependencies folder

Though why do you have Web included?!

and MVC

are you hosting a website in PluginAPI?!

I heavily advise against doing that

[glad pagoda]

email servers in plugins when

[royal mica]

WHAT

ok now I want to make one

you literally receive an email in game

as an object

that pops up like the images

[hearty shard]

Whaat r u doing

[dire iron]

Bruh i got 0 idea what I am doing at this point lmao

[dire iron]

🫵

You.

[hearty shard]

not me

im not here

[royal mica]

Why do you have those in your project

[dire iron]

No idea,and idk how to get rid of them

[hearty shard]

[icy knoll]

show ur plugins or smth

[dire iron]

How

[dire iron]

so do i delete this

[royal mica]

Are you using Rider?

IF so, don't cause you are clearly using it

[dire iron]

Yes

[royal mica]

The main question why are you importing that

[dire iron]

Idk.

I'm new to this

[royal mica]

No worries, we'll walk through

can you put a // at the start of it

so there'll be errors where it is used

don't auto fix it

so we can see why it used

and then can you send the code part that is using it

[royal mica]

Were this project autogenerated?

[dire iron]

yes i think

[royal mica]

Cause that is for a web application

you do not need any of them

You mustn't have any of those, rather

[dire iron]

do i try it now?

now its only 3 instead of 4

[royal mica]

Yup, you need to remove those

[dire iron]

where would i find them

is this one?

[obtuse spruce]

Is this a ragebait ?

[dire iron]

I wish it was,but thankfully i fixed it.

[obtuse spruce]

ASP.SCPSL

[dire iron]

I got one last question.

Where do i find the file System_Admin

[icy knoll]

what

[static meteor]

Why

[dire iron]

Give myself admin in my own server lmao.

[static meteor]

Set the usergroup?

or in config_remoteadmin.txt

 - STEAM64ID or Discord ID: owner

[static meteor]

C:\Users\USER\AppData\Roaming\SCP Secret Laboratory\config\PORT\config_remoteadmin.txt

[warped prairie]

When trying to set player.ReferenceHub.serverRoles.Network_myText for their badge, Whats the character limit on that? if you try to put in a tag over that limit will it break and default to null?

[worthy rune]

i dont think theres a limit placed by SL, but there could be a limit by mirror(which should be pretty large)

[upper vapor]

idk how you got this, but use the class library template when creating a plugin
it's also recommended to choose the .NET 8 or .NET 9 SDK, then edit the csproj to have <TargetFramework>net48</TargetFramework> instead of what you chose

[upper vapor]

are you trying to play bad apple or something? 😭

[dire iron]

I managed to fix it lmao

I deleted alot of things

[upper vapor]

yeah you're not supposed to do razor pages in SL 😭

[dire iron]

Still trying to find that damn remoteadmin file

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

[dire iron]

I really am blind. Thx.

[upper vapor]

np

[slender depot]

Is there a way to give player infinite stamina without harmony patching?

[hearty shard]

Use custom effects

[upper vapor]

so the answer is no

[hearty shard]

Well thats not a patch

no patch required

[upper vapor]

huh

[hearty shard]

:3

[celest thorn]

skill issue no patch is required

just add it to the player prefab :3

when the scene loads obv

[upper vapor]

right but what do you do with index syncing

[hearty shard]

You ignore it

[celest thorn]

^

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208896293452386377/1319115068947959899/glup.gif

[hearty shard]

Client doesnt give one fuck

if its out of range

Not sure why it doesnt care but yk

I'll take it

[celest thorn]

if it didn't

we couldn't do custom effects

[fresh zenith]

hey uh how can i restart the server (not the round)?

[celest thorn]

sr

[fresh zenith]

(i mean via LabAPI)

[celest thorn]

Server.Restart()

[fresh zenith]

i tried. it said: No.

[celest thorn]

wtf did you do?

can you show code?

[fresh zenith]

yea ofc

[upper vapor]

async...

[celest thorn]

oh my god....

async

Use MEC

Timings

please...

[upper vapor]

Timing.CallDelayed(5, Server.Restart)

[fresh zenith]

its not optimized its just a proof of concept-

[celest thorn]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[upper vapor]

it's not unoptimized, it's literally killing unity

[celest thorn]

This is not optimization this is the cause of all of your pain and you are killing unity with a sword

[fresh zenith]

i don't like unity eitherway lmao

[celest thorn]

everytime you do a task you are just throwing knives at unity

[celest thorn]

you need to deal with it

none does

but this is how it works

[fresh zenith]

also where can i find the .dll :P

[upper vapor]

assembly-csharp-firstpass

[celest thorn]

i forgot the firstpass

section

[upper vapor]

can we remove MEC and just use awaitables

:3

[celest thorn]

can we just make SL in Mono directly

without using unity

[upper vapor]

not in mono

😭

[fresh zenith]

make SL in assembly

[celest thorn]

make SL in assembly powerpc

[fresh zenith]

does anyone want to make an SCP:SL but in assembly project?

Assembly:SL

[upper vapor]

@cyan crown better start porting

[unique crane]

Go ahead

[celest thorn]

Guys sl but in guts bacteria

[unique crane]

biggest waste of time

[celest thorn]

what do you think about guts bacteria?

[unique crane]

wdym

[upper vapor]

ARP
-# assembly rendering pipeline

[celest thorn]

porting SL in guts bacteria

[unique crane]

what

[celest thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DnoOOgYxck

wait better her original video

[celest thorn]

await the death of unity

[upper vapor]

XXXXDDDDDDDDDDD

real

hey

await doesn't scare Unity

[hearty shard]

howd you manage this one

[upper vapor]

the ThreadPool-based task scheduler does

[celest thorn]

please guys who i need to pay to port sl into guts bacteria?

[celest thorn]

await...

task

[upper vapor]

is that mirror generated
-# probably not

[royal mica]

You can easily do that, if you do something that kills the Server player

[hearty shard]

thats sl

[celest thorn]

i do geniunly wonder why tf Server is a player

[royal mica]

Mirror bullshit

[hearty shard]

i dont think it is

[fresh zenith]

Well you can't kill a machine but you can shoot an Player.

[royal mica]

I do not know enough about mirror, but when you kill the Server player, everything breaks

[upper vapor]

cuz they went with that approach and it would be a nightmare to refactor everything to function without a host player

[hearty shard]

would that kill NetworkServer.active

it shouldnt?

[royal mica]

Yes, that is exactly what happened

For me also

when that happens, the server completly breaks, all commands return "You are not connected to a server"

as if the RA and other shit are executed by the server player

[hearty shard]

nono NetworkServer is server thing

its telling the server that it IS a server

and isnt a client

[royal mica]

Yes but that still fully break when the player is killed

[hearty shard]

[royal mica]

If you force disconnect the server player, everything responds with you are not conneted to the server

[upper vapor]

cyn would like to speak

[royal mica]

Client do not receive the data

[hearty shard]

im trying to see where false is set

[upper vapor]

look at usages of active

🤯

[hearty shard]

on Shutdown its called

[hearty shard]

uh

theres a lot more than u think

[upper vapor]

filter setter

click the green arrow thingy in rider and deactivate it (getter)

[hearty shard]

anyway

[hearty shard]

i just clicked the set

instead of clicking on active then filtering

its set to false on application quit

[upper vapor]

yeah you can do that too

well

time to dive deeper into shutdown

[hearty shard]

[royal mica]

so wacky

[cyan crown]

start porting what?

[upper vapor]

your sl clone to assembly

[cyan crown]

fuck no

man i'm not as good as some other programmers here i'm just a nooby

[royal mica]

that is what everyone tells to themselves

it'Ll never stop

[warped prairie]

Lmao. Luckily no

[cyan crown]

😿

anyways check this out i added surface

😼

Gate B looks so sigma

[celest thorn]

already 10x times better than the surface of SL

[upper vapor]

Awoooo

[royal mica]

If you could remove the gates and move the car, you could makeit way better

[celest thorn]

the skybox is 10x times better

and makes it already better

[upper vapor]

Real

Petition to make the surface chaos Gate openable

[celest thorn]

petition to just remove the game?

[upper vapor]

15.0: the nuke everything update

[vast canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/gru-moon-gif-10973131198585528214

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pyra-tea-xenoblade-chronicles2-gif-26108353

btw should i change my profile for halloween?

[upper vapor]

Tonight we WILL STEAL DA MOON

[celest thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fueRUi5AWWQ

this is the funniest shit

[restive turret]

Idk

[celest thorn]

i will probably do it just because its cool or else doing it christmas

[restive turret]

I don't even know what your profile would be in Halloween

[upper vapor]

How can you be a ghost if you're made of slime

Aren't ghosts made out of... ghost?

[celest thorn]

ectoplasma

[upper vapor]

Right

[celest thorn]

that is technically slime

so

yes

[upper vapor]

What the helly

[celest thorn]

a good question would be can you piss on the moon? not like eggman but just go there and piss?

[upper vapor]

I think @teal junco could answer this

[celest thorn]

why him?

[upper vapor]

But it would take longer than on earth

[upper vapor]

He made pissing in sl

[celest thorn]

thats from postal

[upper vapor]

Who's gonna do shitting in sl

And diarrhea

[celest thorn]

Thats weird

im ok with pissing

[upper vapor]

Pissing is weird

[celest thorn]

but shitting is a little bit too much

[icy knoll]

dont do it to khonshu, they wont like that

[celest thorn]

You do it on postal

[upper vapor]

Then why is shitting weird

[celest thorn]

what

[icy knoll]

khonshu is the god of the moon

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/uz1q5o54.png

so no guys no piss on the moon

so sad

[upper vapor]

Your pisser would freeze

[celest thorn]

Crazy

[upper vapor]

In a spacesuit, possible

[celest thorn]

i think explode too?

[upper vapor]

Uh

Idk

But don't expose any part of your body to the nothingness of space

You'll die xd

[celest thorn]

guys we need to make the big bang again but this time hope that there's atmosphere on the moon so we can piss on the moon

[upper vapor]

Make it in SL

[celest thorn]

make piss in assembly x86

[upper vapor]

Read what you wrote

🚽 🚽 🚽 🚽
🧍‍♂️ 🧍‍♂️ 🧍‍♂️ 🧍‍♂️

[celest thorn]

crazy

[upper vapor]

Pissing in assembly

[celest thorn]

btw this video is crazy good

i need to save all pics i have for my profile picture

so i don't loose them

done

[upper vapor]

Insane

[celest thorn]

crazy

the pic is really good quality crazy i found it from a twitter called "pyraforever"

[upper vapor]

Why does that name sound like a popufur's name

[true cedar]

popufur

i have not heard that in a while

[celest thorn]

Idk what that is

[upper vapor]

Popular furry

[upper vapor]

Kek

[celest thorn]

Thank you discord mobile for reacting with 🔥 emoji

Instead of reply

[upper vapor]

XDDDDD

[celest thorn]

I swear it was a mistake, im not a furry you can ask all of my best friend

[unique crane]

Yes you are

[celest thorn]

...

bro i swear if i find you

im gonna punch you

[unique crane]

Well at least it wont hurt that much with that your fursuit XDDDD

[celest thorn]

bro...

[unique crane]

Just kidiiiing

[celest thorn]

I hope a thunder strikes you

[unique crane]

Good that I live in a city

[celest thorn]

don't joke with zeus

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-god-of-war3-kratos-your-son-has-returned-gif-27160803

[cyan crown]

are you sure

inmo it looks ass lol

[celest thorn]

yes

btw fun fact technically pyra could strike people with Siren so i don't count it as like a thunder (because its a fucking beam of light) but same

[upper vapor]

kekw

[still thistle]

<

[fresh zenith]

make C# in assembly + create an working plugin for SL challange

[celest thorn]

there are people who actually made it

for NES games

[fresh zenith]

ik

[restive turret]

but he did use C# to asm or something

[celest thorn]

C# converted in asm

[restive turret]

ye

[viral root]

how do i disable collisions with a toy? Because toy.GameObject.GetComponent<BoxCollider>().enabled = false; doesnt work

[static meteor]

AdminToy::CollidersEnabled = false;

[fresh zenith]

does the Server idle mode stop all coroutines? or does it interfere any other way with plugins?

[hearty shard]

It slows them (since it sets tickrate down and also unitys timescale

If you want them not slowed then set them in realtime rather than update

[slow grotto]

I have to use this as I don't seem to have "CollidersEnabled" anywhere.

PrimitiveObjectToy toy = PrimitiveObjectToy.Create(networkSpawn:false);
toy.Flags &= ~PrimitiveFlags.Collidable;
toy.Spawn();

I always make changes before spawning toys in since I don't have luck with the values syncing in some of my tests.

[viral root]

Thank you 🙏

[grand flower]

me when I commit copyright violation

[cyan crown]

lol

I currently dont have a model for it

So im using the original one

[grand flower]

im teasing, who cares if you don't publish your project

[cyan crown]

Yeah no one does lmao

[teal junco]

do you have a InfoDistance property yet

i forgot the real name

but it just means how far to view someones name

[warped prairie]

Scp SL 2 is gonna be lit

[slate flume]

I hope we get a battle pass

[restive turret]

Real

[fresh zenith]

i hope we get a tank

[midnight laurel]

still unity 😔

[soft turtle]

How to get FirstPersonControl from a player

[upper vapor]

Fpc what

The module?

It's in IFpcRole

[royal mica]

You need to check if the current role is an iFpcRole

            if (player.ReferenceHub.roleManager.CurrentRole is not IFpcRole fpcRole) {
                return;
            }

[soft turtle]

I'm trying to find PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FpcStateProcessor

It's not in IFpcRole.FpcModule

[soft turtle]

Or i didnt find

[upper vapor]

That's probably somewhere in the fpc module or one of its members

[soft turtle]

I found it, but it can't be changed.
Is it possible to change DefaultUseRate without a patch?

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

[soft turtle]

I'm trying to make stamina for SCP-3114 on the contrary so it won't work

[upper vapor]

Uh

Pretty sure you need to patch then

[soft turtle]

[celest thorn]

hello

yea im back to the old one

[restive turret]

who are you

[celest thorn]

spooky

[restive turret]

scary

[celest thorn]

crazy

im the ghost haunting the ghost

[cyan crown]

There is one but its named differently im not home when i get home i'll send you the property name

By default its 5 to 4 units as far as i remember its still unfinished you probably saw the global tag there in the video

[cyan crown]

I'm still thinking of how do i approach map gen script my idea so far is to make a tool that takes screenshots of rooms from top view each room has its own color and ID then using that 2D tool i can make around 10 to 20 layouts that get grouped up when round starts

[upper vapor]

i read "I'm still thinking of how do i approach men"

[unique crane]

💀

[celest thorn]

💀

[cyan crown]

Woah wtf

😂 it happens no worries

[royal mica]

"I heard you like publicizing DLLs, but my DLLs are already public for you"

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

this is crazy rizz c# rizz ig

[cyan crown]

💀

This fucking channel man

[celest thorn]

amazing aint it?

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pumpkin-kitty-kitten-cute-gif-19026347

[celest thorn]

Away cat

[slate flume]

Do what SL does

[cyan crown]

yeah pretty much but this is for my SL project

[slate flume]

NW map gen sucks ass

They pass one System.Random instance to every function call

If you don't emulate the base-game exactly 1:1, your map gen will be fucked

[harsh thorn]

you havent seen old mapgen code

either way there is likely a reason for it being done like that

as new mapgen is quite recent

[cyan crown]

yeah if i get it working man

i'm still stuck with not being able to get it to work

[celest thorn]

Old map gen tho was all server side

[harsh thorn]

`no

[celest thorn]

So we could’ve moved rooms and stuff

[harsh thorn]

old mapgen was not serverside

[cyan crown]

zero could you send me your github repo that has map gen script

i need it for eductional purposes

[celest thorn]

i don't have a map gen?

[harsh thorn]

old mapgen does the same what it does now, it gives the client a seed and will generate on the client AND server

[cyan crown]

weird

[celest thorn]

or never made one

[cyan crown]

someone here told me to check my map gen script

[harsh thorn]

only 2 or 3 rooms had a networkidentiy (and could therefore be moved)

[cyan crown]

i don't remember who was it :(

[celest thorn]

i remember you were able to move rooms around

100%

[cyan crown]

oh so its like expanding

since my idea was to start with one room that expands and makes other rooms

[harsh thorn]

well, old rooms didnt have a network identity aside from 2 or 3

so you cant move any other ones

[celest thorn]

im talking old old

not like old 13.0

i remember 106 being one that was showcased to be moved

[harsh thorn]

there were only 2 mapgen versions iirc

yeah 106 room had a netid

that one could be moved

[celest thorn]

wtf

why?

[harsh thorn]

old 939 room too

[celest thorn]

lol

yea i remember thta

[harsh thorn]

because it had a networkbehavhour in it for the femur breaker

and therefore needed a netid

[celest thorn]

i always thought you were able to move all rooms

in the past

idk who told me that but was a ton of time ago

[slate flume]

Add networkbehaviour to every room

[harsh thorn]

no?

[celest thorn]

i wanna be able to move rooms

or spawn rooms

[harsh thorn]

that would break like 20 other things

[celest thorn]

thats so amazing

[harsh thorn]

you need to realise that you cant have nested netids

so that means anything inside a room that has a netid, needs to be turned into a prefab

spawned at runtime

[celest thorn]

but imagine

rooms

in the void

parkour between rooms

[harsh thorn]

its not a case of "just add it"

needs a whole change of how stuff works

[celest thorn]

crazy thats why my begging never worked

[harsh thorn]

as theres some limitations of how netids work

[slate flume]

Nuh uh

[harsh thorn]

unfortunately yes

[celest thorn]

ig the only that worked was the culling toy

lol

[restive turret]

Indeed yes

[harsh thorn]

simply cant have nested netids, thats how mirror works

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-gif-5264604870865972494

[harsh thorn]

also requires a rework of current mapgen

[restive turret]

You havent seen mirrors throwing error then

[harsh thorn]

cuz right now the rooms are spawned locally and on the server

[slate flume]

Hey Cedric did you see the NREs I posted in cedmod

[celest thorn]

can we get 5 big booms because of mirror we can't have moving rooms

[harsh thorn]

so itd need to be changed to make the server do it

[harsh thorn]

i love mirror throwing errors

[slate flume]

With the decals

[harsh thorn]

i did, i just didnt do anything with it atm

[slate flume]

Sweet

[celest thorn]

i love mirror throwing error on the client and not being able to know whats the issue and just trials and errors

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/fantastic-four-four-four-four-four-sign-meme-gif-6065467535145035517

[restive turret]

I love basegame throwing warnings and errors 🔥

[celest thorn]

i love base game crying for how unoptimized heavy is

[harsh thorn]

in the end the "disconncting due to exception in message handler" exists for a reason
but damn can it be annoying

[restive turret]

Just disable mapgen smh

[slate flume]

I love how my LocalAdminLogs are almost entirely base-game error reports

[celest thorn]

no i mean mismatch

and other stuff

[slate flume]

When the hell are they fixing the texturing issues

[celest thorn]

thats me messing up with packets

[worn gull]

Remove heavy

[celest thorn]

and always found it

[celest thorn]

remove sl

wait

remove the Secret Laboratory part

SCP

[worn gull]

[restive turret]

Thats a skill issue you not checking 1:1 the message

[celest thorn]

bro i just type them based on memory

but now i don't have problems

because NO problems

they work

and im fine

[hearty shard]

hi slime

[celest thorn]

until david doesn't break them (as he promised to me many times)

[restive turret]

Memory allocation failed

[celest thorn]

malloc failed

[restive turret]

I'm gonna break your network messages

[restive turret]

Hi

[celest thorn]

my network messages, like my legs?

or just my network messages?

[restive turret]

Huh

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-dark-knight-rises-broken-back-pain-low-gif-16700598

[hearty shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-crying-kitten-crying-05starrynight-gif-10141647709992578610

[celest thorn]

cry nameless

[slate flume]

Haha idiot

[celest thorn]

you are incarnation of evil

[hearty shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138909080539369564/1283457260173135914/rapidsave.com_v3hri3kg41od1.gif

[cyan crown]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-stare-rigby-the-cat-rigby-cat-rigby-looking-rigby-watching-gif-13695656141343168129

[true cedar]

be quiet eve

[hearty shard]

shhh

when ruei4

[worthy rune]

have you looked at the code recently?

[harsh thorn]

the way you did works (moving a netid into a netid)

but not in terms of spawning

[slate flume]

Hi riptide

[unique crane]

[hearty shard]

what the fuck

💔

[worthy rune]

im referring to rooms not what i did to admin toys

[harsh thorn]

i havent seen that then

[worthy rune]

all rooms have netids

because lights

[slate flume]

Hey riptide

What's your least favorite part of the SL codebase

[worthy rune]

and they have nested network Id objects

[harsh thorn]

the room object themselves doesnt iirc

[worthy rune]

because mirror was modified to make it work

[slate flume]

Told you we should at network shit to every room

[harsh thorn]

isnt it a sub object

[worthy rune]

nope, they do

[harsh thorn]

guess that was changed then

[worthy rune]

just not on the root

[harsh thorn]

yeah thats what i meant

[worthy rune]

which doesnt matter in this context anyway

[slate flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1118578603534331916/1326930122158243973/togif.gif

[harsh thorn]

whoever modified mirror gets to re-modify it when we update it

[worthy rune]

since the child networkId objects are on that Child room object

[worthy rune]

dumb way todo it imo

[harsh thorn]

its why i dont want people modifying mirror

[worthy rune]

would of been simpler to just do it properly within mirrors framework

[harsh thorn]

because when we need to update it for some random sec reason

we discover that 40 things broke that were modded in

[worthy rune]

yeah

[worthy rune]

also pretty sure its been like this for along time, atleast since i joined it has been like this

[harsh thorn]

last i checked it was like

room -> some netid
-> some other netid

which does work

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/santa-old-90s-only-kids-gif-7370938

[harsh thorn]

iirc theres some code in mapgen thatl link them together

which works

as the rooms are not spawned by the server on a network level

[worthy rune]

ServerRoles

[harsh thorn]

pre refactor characterclassmanager

serverroles is something

from the same time as ccm

just not refactored yet

[worthy rune]

yeah its setting a custom AssetId then sending a spawn message to mirror is aware of them, its a hacky solution imo

[slate flume]

Does it handle spawn mechanics

[worthy rune]

they really could of used network messages and ditched the NetworkId on the room and avoided it all but i guess at the time they didnt know how to use them

[harsh thorn]

well netid is needed for some parts of the room

like lights

[hearty shard]

permissions

[harsh thorn]

unless you custom implement that all

[harsh thorn]

ServerRoles handles RA related things

[worthy rune]

badges/perms

[harsh thorn]

and badges

[slate flume]

Oh lovely

Why does it sucks so bad

What did Hubert do this time

[worthy rune]

i mean to handle lights they could of avoided modifying mirror and just making a message to control the lights(you might say wont the lights not be synced properly for a rejoining player, well they currently dont anyway so its not like it matters)

[harsh thorn]

its one of the other oldest part of the codebase

[slate flume]

Side note
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/238
I'm hoping we get this soon

[harsh thorn]

im assuming just using mirror was easier when lights were made initially

then when mapgen was reworked it was just done like that with the netids to not change that

cuz itd either be what you said
or reworking rooms to have 1 netid and network spawn the entire room

[worthy rune]

i find it hard to justify looking at the code that was written, but i cant read the minds of the programmers that wrote it or what kind of state mirror/(other network solution) was like back then so idk

[harsh thorn]

there was likely some kind of reasoning behind it

[restive turret]

Your side of the note

[restive turret]

Btw OnRoleChanging or smth exist

[slate flume]

Yeah so?

I wanna be able to change team comps before players spawn
The easiest way to do that is ev.IsAllowed = false; on all the OnRoleChanging events, store the new roles, parse and edit all of the roles, and then spawn everyone back in

This is ugly

This is stupid

The other way is to manually patch all SCP and Human spawning code but that's hard and also ugly and stupid

[restive turret]

well it not only done one one place

HumanSpawner.AssignHumanRoleToRandomPlayer
ScpSpawner.AssignScp

[hearty shard]

tldr

make round start event call later and then combine human and scp spawns

[royal mica]

Or prefix patch the RoleAssigner.OnRoundStarted() and create your own

[upper vapor]

me when

roundstarted event?

-# idk what the invocation order is

[worn gull]

SB knows what is the problem?

[slate flume]

Yeah that's my whole point

[royal mica]

Did you change something in the roles?

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208896293452386377/1319115068947959899/glup.gif

[slate flume]

So you mean literally exactly what I said

You guys are acting like I didn't already say this

I already looked at doing it

It sucks

[restive turret]

ok ok then proprose how would you do it

[royal mica]

Are you publicizing?

[slate flume]

Yes

[slate flume]

Why

[royal mica]

Cause then you can just sub to RoleAssigned.OnPlayerSpawned

[upper vapor]

💍

[royal mica]

and then just edit things

[slate flume]

Dawg

[royal mica]

no need to patch things

[slate flume]

I literally

Just said this

And how it's bad

[royal mica]

Why is it bad

[royal mica]

that is not the easiest way

[slate flume]

What is the easiest way then

Because RoleAssigned.OnPlayerSpawned isn't what I'm looking for

Because I'm not trying to change individual player's roles, I want to change team comp and shit

[royal mica]

            RoleAssigner.OnPlayersSpawned += () => {
                foreach (var referenceHub in ReferenceHub.AllHubs) {
                    referenceHub.roleManager.ServerSetRole(RoleTypeId.Tutorial, RoleChangeReason.RoundStart);
                }
            };

[slate flume]

LMAO no

Not what I'm doing

[slate flume]

Again

Back to here

Please read

[upper vapor]

round started event...

[royal mica]

You are literally doing this

just very convoluted way

[slate flume]

No I'm not

[upper vapor]

no

[slate flume]

No I'm not

To change the composition of a team I need the knowledge of what other players' roles are

[upper vapor]

the players don't spawn properly

[slate flume]

.

^

[royal mica]

You have access to their roles already

[slate flume]

I have access to one player's role

The player who's spawning

Not fucking everyone else

The only way to get that is to delay until after everyone spawns and changes their roles retroactively

[royal mica]

You have a literal list of who spaned

[upper vapor]

this would be easier tbh

[slate flume]

But not WHO HASN'T DUDE

Listen to me please

You get a list of the players who have spawned

It's literally called AlreadySpawnedPlayers

[royal mica]

Yes?

[slate flume]

Not a list of all the people who haven't fucking spawned

I don't know how much more clear I need to make this point

[royal mica]

You have a list. You need to reverse filter

[slate flume]

Have you read

A single word

Of anything I've said

[royal mica]

Yes I did it multiple times

[slate flume]

THEN READ

FUCK ME

I need to know what other the other player's roles are

Not just who has spawned

[royal mica]

I'm trying to understand, not trying to ragebait, but you literally have a list of ALL players, with IsAlive flag, that tells if they are spawned or not, their role already updated with the correct info

Also all of these are POST spawning, but same frame

[upper vapor]

nuh uh

[slate flume]

This is my whole point

[upper vapor]

think for a bit

[slate flume]

Hence my recommendation

[upper vapor]

what's the issue with changing roles the same frame

-# nothing?

[slate flume]

I don't want to change roles after they've already been assigned and spawned

[royal mica]

IF you are doing things in the same frame, it'll happen as if the previous action did not happen

[restive turret]

106 has issue

[upper vapor]

right

[slate flume]

Some roles have these issues

[upper vapor]

if you spawn 106 as 106 yeah

[royal mica]

So you need 106 fixed, not a full new system

[hearty shard]

tbf

[slate flume]

What I want is this

David is working on it

[upper vapor]

okay makes sense

[hearty shard]

if (newRole == 106 && current == 106) dontdothis()

[restive turret]

i gonna send u something silly

[hearty shard]

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-surprised-hand-shakes-head-shocked-gif-26479804

[hearty shard]

oh okay

[restive turret]

[royal mica]

This would require rewriting the whole systemno? Since SCP spawner spawns the player instantly as it devcides

it doesn't store + persist it

[slate flume]

Yes

Exactly

[hearty shard]

its also delaying round starting event

[slate flume]

It would be running in RoundStarting

[upper vapor]

what

[slate flume]

I mean

[hearty shard]

the event is called before roles are assigned, this is for after they are decided, but before they fully spawn

[slate flume]

Then put it in something else

Idrc what

[royal mica]

so essentially you want to separate the role assignment and actual spawning, I see

Now I completly understand

[slate flume]

I just want easy access to change roles after the assignments are determined without changing players roles multiple times in the same frame

Or on subsequent frames

It would make life 1000000x easier for me

And it avoids any and all jank arising from changing player roles too quickly and avoids unnecessary network messages

David's already said he's working on it, I only made the side note cause I'm excited for it

[upper vapor]

you know what else would make life 100000000x easier for you

[royal mica]

OR! What if

[slate flume]

I love good ideas

[royal mica]

You could define your own spawning class

you could define the assignment logic and spawning in a custom class and then set that at the start of the server

[hearty shard]

[slate flume]

That would be dope

[unique crane]

Yeah uhm well

its in todo for labapi

[hearty shard]

david....

DAVID.

GET TO WORK

[unique crane]

and im doing something else right now

[slate flume]

I'll take what I can get david

I appreciate it

[upper vapor]

dam

[unique crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1118845624431935609/1264018456542711889/rde.mp4?ex=68e3b82c&is=68e266ac&hm=f9399df5dcc43b74d6fa4521d20a97bec4414908a601451651ce8ffdded14c8d&

[burnt hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-vira-ssj3-gif-8719602819468776728

[hearty shard]

he was mean to me

[slate flume]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/476445107013287946/999161088455221288/attachment-6.gif

[hearty shard]

oh its fbi

[burnt hearth]

hi

[upper vapor]

what the fucky

[hearty shard]

hi!

[upper vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/891147349324333067/1053928429751369758/THY_WHIMSY_IS_NIGH.gif

[hearty shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-crying-kitten-crying-05starrynight-gif-10141647709992578610

[slate flume]

I have so many bubble reacts

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/repost-running-me-on-my-way-to-say-repost-synapse-x-gif-19110255

[upper vapor]

saskyc would like to show off

[burnt hearth]

can confirm

[slate flume]

Yeah but my bubble reacts are cool and hip

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-boy-lava-girl-mr-electric-meme-discord-ok-and-gif-24411732

[royal mica]

something like

class MySpawningLogic : CustomSpawnLogic {
  public override RoleTypeId AssignRole(List<(Player, RoleTypeId)> pastAssignment, Player player) {
    if (pastAssignments.Count % 3 == 0) return RoleTypeId.SCP0492;
    return RoleTypeId.ClassD;
  }

  public override void OnSpawnPlayers(List<(Player, RoleTypeId)> player) {
    players.ForEach(p => p.First.SetRole(p.Second);
  }
}

[slate flume]

LMAO yes dude

[royal mica]

just a quick random and very wrong scatch

[upper vapor]

what the fucky

[slate flume]

Wait I need to find a thing

[upper vapor]

yeah uh

[upper vapor]

XXXXXXDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[slate flume]

This would be cool

[slate flume]

I completely steal these memes from a guy on SODA

[unique crane]

I dont get it

im too old for this

is it some next brainrot

[upper vapor]

unc

[restive turret]

yes

[slate flume]

gramps

[upper vapor]

👴

[slate flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208139658333126676/1422701813412397209/caption.gif

[hearty shard]

old.......

[slate flume]

I'm so exhausted

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/oceansjonas-monkey-monkey-gifs-gif-10091283022075368075

me

[slate flume]

I hosted a bachelor party yesterday

[hearty shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1165463722416947250/1168281211433668658/2023-03-11_18.09.08.gif?ex=655131aa&is=653ebcaa&hm=512f533225bc9d3f1b7d10e6e92dddb4c63d1dad57697475dc765bd1fb127de0&

[slate flume]

And I'm like

Ugh

[upper vapor]

what the helly

[slate flume]

My brother's getting married

[upper vapor]

merry brother

[slate flume]

A lot of drinking and a lot of smoking

And a lot of fucking smash bros

Played for like 3 hours

Straight

It was 7 people

7 player smash

For 3 hours

[upper vapor]

how could you play straight if you were drunk

[storm bridge]

When will you learn?

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/fantastic-four-four-four-four-four-sign-meme-gif-6065467535145035517

[upper vapor]

0

probably a negative amount, actually

[slate flume]

I think you need to look at the meme more closely

[upper vapor]

i took a galactic poop today

[upper vapor]

oh

you can only count to 4?

[slate flume]

Yeah

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[slate flume]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3DVjSnt1HId4Qb8oL5Mjs8?si=6c195e609cd94d41

Fucking peak

I've been getting so heated on the internet lately

Been being a huge dickhead for no reason

Something primal emerges in me when I talk to people online

Really embarrassing

https://tenor.com/view/dan-hentschel-drinking-driving-gif-11850080643895901975

[cyan crown]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-superman-smiling-superman-punk-rocker-david-corenswet-gif-18148950362455480157

[upper vapor]

i thought this was ryan comedy at first

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-grandma-percs-thanks-for-your-percs-goodbye-grandma-thanks-for-your-percs-cliff-gif-20668047

[modern lark]

Cassie having a delay between messages makes it impossible to create countdown easily, someone already tried it ?

I know you asked something related Mr ThatGuy :p

[slate flume]

This is true

You can send it in the same message and tweak the pause time

Or you can send, clear, send, iirc
But pause is what worked for me

[modern lark]

Will try to clear

[slate flume]

Though I never did countdowns

[modern lark]

this'll be easier for my case, because I wanted to make Cassie countdown anything

[slate flume]

Yeah

@teal junco is a CASSIE expert

It used to be a big part of his work

[modern lark]

CASSIE expert, nioe thing for a CV

[slate flume]

I think SL development actually hurts someone's resume tbh

Just shows you're a degen lmao

[hearty shard]

ur a degen?

cool

[slate flume]

Yeah I thought that was fuckin obvious

[spring swan]

I rephrase it as C# development

[slate flume]

Bro's flipping "Fast food worker" into "Kitchen production specialist"

[celest thorn]

C# is used the problem is the use of it lol or why you studied it

[upper vapor]

end of message produces a 4s delay

so uh

it's cooked

sometimes, not even clearing helps

[teal junco]

idk exactly what he wants but cassie clearing usyally makes a big delay (depending on how long the remaining message is)

so you typically wanna know exactly what you want cassie to say before you even send

[keen halo]

https://tenor.com/view/pride-pride-month-gay-gay-cat-bob-arens-gif-21804833

[icy knoll]

hey gimme those!

[keen halo]

NO

I put em on first

[icy knoll]

but im gay too!

[keen halo]

[keen halo]

Im trans and gay so I'm a doubly whammy

[icy knoll]

omg same!

[keen halo]

Well

Im uhhh

[hearty shard]

[warped prairie]

“Unity based C# development of integrated plugin systems” 🏌️

Just spam out those keywords

[burnt hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-cat-smile-cute-kitty-gif-5058119688631425935

[keen halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smiling-cat-grey-cat-cute-cat-gif-2949633679466643461

[cyan crown]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

i fucking hate 173

[restive turret]

But thats not 173

[plain gazelle]

If i jump inside a moving waypoint toy, i move with it. But when i land on the cube that is also moving with it, i no longer move with the waypoint toy

[cyan crown]

this is 173

🥹 😼

only took me 6 hours

[restive turret]

Lel

[cyan crown]

teleport is still delayed and i found a issue that the chase theme stops looping after a while

😿

fix something the other thing breaks

[restive turret]

I call myself The Breaker, what i do is breaking changes

[cyan crown]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-stare-rigby-the-cat-rigby-cat-rigby-looking-rigby-watching-gif-13695656141343168129

😿

i'm blocking you so you don't break my stuff

😼

[plain gazelle]

How do WaypointToys work?
Does a player need to be fully in them to move with them?

[restive turret]

Probably

[plain gazelle]

I set the scale to 1 and the BoundsSize to 2 4 2, but i only move with it if im like perfectly in the center

Edit: Nvm i had a scaled parent...