plugins-dev-chat

[hearty shard]

real

[cosmic hedge]

not even

[hearty shard]

async ?

[cosmic hedge]

nope!

[upper vapor]

yeah i agree that the system itself is a bit complicated, but check out the usage example
seems fairly straightforward
#plugins-dev-chat message

[hearty shard]

bro is not gonna tell us

[cosmic hedge]

and let you figure it out for me?

never!

ill post when i fix it

[hearty shard]

i mean

theres some stuff in unity you cant do that i assume u dont know

[cosmic hedge]

i havent even touched anything unity

[hearty shard]

i feel like getting some intel would be nice when ur modding rather than being blind into it

yk

[hearty shard]

sl is unity

[cosmic hedge]

also i do unity

[hearty shard]

you have touched sl

[cosmic hedge]

i know

[hearty shard]

and thus you have touched unity

[cosmic hedge]

a weighted random method is not touching anything insane

[hearty shard]

interesting

[upper vapor]

uh ohhhhh

[soft depot]

like I said, really complicated, but good at its use case, that's about it, could probably be better with base game support

[upper vapor]

it really needs base game support

[hearty shard]

tbf the system was a non basegame changing api

riptide will prob end up doing basegame changes

[soft depot]

which is why I said it was really good for the limits it had, but felt like wasted potential

[hearty shard]

ya

[soft depot]

was hoping for something that could be better than ASS at what it is, and still fill in that "idk how to do settings" niche

[true cedar]

code ?

[cosmic hedge]

it was RandomGenerator.GetInt32
😭

[upper vapor]

what the

[hearty shard]

interesting

[true cedar]

huh

[cosmic hedge]

im not even kidding

switched it to unity's Random.Range and works fine

[true cedar]

how'd you even

stumble upon that method

im not surprised that it crashes cause its cryptographically secure

[hearty shard]

actually

by default its not

you have to add true as a param

[cosmic hedge]

stole the code

[hearty shard]

RandomGenerator is sl

[true cedar]

oh

[cosmic hedge]

https://github.com/KadavasKingdom/LabApiExtensions/blob/main/LabApiExtensions/Extensions/RNGExtension.cs

[upper vapor]

@restive turret

[restive turret]

heelo

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/tata-mpo-gif-15942038246373310601

why tf are you using RandomGenerator

😭

and not UnityEngine.Random

[restive turret]

cus why would I call unity engine to make my already shit performance more shit?

[restive turret]

do you know it calling c++ and marhsaling back to c#?

[upper vapor]

crypto is even shitter

[cosmic hedge]

it stalled my entire server gang 😭

like it wasnt responding at ALLLLL

[hearty shard]

ublic static int GetInt32Unsecure(int min, int max)
  {
    RandomGenerator.Random.NextBytes(RandomGenerator.FourBytes);
    int int32;
    for (int32 = BitConverter.ToInt32(RandomGenerator.FourBytes, 0); int32 < min || int32 >= max; int32 = BitConverter.ToInt32(RandomGenerator.FourBytes, 0))
      RandomGenerator.Random.NextBytes(RandomGenerator.FourBytes);
    return int32;
  }

[cosmic hedge]

that doesn't explain why it literally stalled the entire server until i switched

that method specifically did it, i checked

[restive turret]

lel

i guess i swithc to unity shit?

idk

[cosmic hedge]

yes lmao

[restive turret]

piece of shit unity

[hearty shard]

basegame bug moment

@unique crane david

do you know

why it stalls

[restive turret]

works on real dotnet btw

[cosmic hedge]

/// <summary>
    /// Getting a random element from the <paramref name="dictionary"/>, if could not able to get one use the <paramref name="defaultValue"/>
    /// </summary>
    /// <typeparam name="T"></typeparam>
    /// <param name="dictionary"></param>
    /// <param name="defaultValue"></param>
    /// <returns></returns>
    public static T GetRandomWeight<T>(this Dictionary<T, int> dictionary, T defaultValue = default)
    {
        var sum = dictionary.Values.Sum();
        var chance = Random.Range(1, sum + 1);
        var returnT = defaultValue;

        foreach (var pair in dictionary)
        {
            Logger.Info(chance);
            if (chance <= pair.Value)
            {
                returnT = pair.Key;
                break;
            }
            
            chance -= pair.Value;
        }

        return returnT;
    }

[restive turret]

unity skill issue

[hearty shard]

wdym unity skill issue

GetInt32 is SL not unity

[restive turret]

ye csu its basic c# and works on other C# probejct

[hearty shard]

fair enough

it works basegame no?

[restive turret]

basegame use unity

[hearty shard]

yes

but basegame works, plugin doesnt

but basegame uses secure prob

maybe thats why

it has to be an infinite loop surely

nothing else in there looks like itd cause stall

[restive turret]

btw

RandomGenerator is made by NW

[hearty shard]

ya

[restive turret]

so blame NW for it

[cosmic hedge]

doesn't change the fact that it froze the entire server, yeah

[hearty shard]

i mean i did ping david for it

even tho i dont think hes a math nerd

[cosmic hedge]

hey look, i found a funny! yippeee!

[restive turret]

but ye

i switched now to unity one

[hearty shard]

slimeee

[restive turret]

what

[hearty shard]

hows sl clone going

[restive turret]

i playing factorio rn

thats how

lel

[hearty shard]

wowzers

[restive turret]

lel

there you go
https://github.com/KadavasKingdom/LabApiExtensions/releases/tag/release-v0.1.5

[cosmic hedge]

sometimes i wake up and create issues for fun clearly

[unique crane]

?

[cosmic hedge]

.

RandomGenerator.GetInt32 stalled lmao

froze the entire server

https://github.com/sleepyyapril/SCPSLPlugins/blob/main/CoinTricks/Extensions/RandomExtension.cs

repro:
clone this repo
switch Random.Range to RandomGenerator.GetInt32
build it and put it in plugins
flip a coin

[cosmic hedge]

does it 100% of the time, it's hilarious

[unique crane]

Whats RandomGenerator.GetInt32

[cosmic hedge]

from SL

[hearty shard]

SL method used for cryptography

well

you can have crypto, but its defaulted to unsecure so no crypto

[cyan crown]

What clone?

[hearty shard]

#202

[restive turret]

not clone but the one that i started rewriting

[cyan crown]

Oh ok

[cosmic hedge]

why does it do it like that though

what in the

[unique crane]

any logs

[cyan crown]

Since im also working on a SL clone

[royal mica]

wait wtf

[cosmic hedge]

froze completely, so just that heartbeat froze

[restive turret]

i dunno

[cyan crown]

I couldn't get ragdolls to work due to models not working well sadly

[unique crane]

Is it used anywhere in the base game?

[hearty shard]

int32 isnt

nvm

i lied

this one isnt used

[unique crane]

I dont think that any of these crash the server tho

[hearty shard]

this one is

[cosmic hedge]

it did literally freeze it though

[soft depot]

https://tenor.com/view/farcry6-gif-23383353

[cosmic hedge]

like you can test it, it does

[hearty shard]

i checked the wrong one

[cosmic hedge]

because it uses a while loop

[unique crane]

Which one causes the crash again?

GetInt32?

[cosmic hedge]

yep

[hearty shard]

GetInt32(int min, int max, bool secure = false)

[cosmic hedge]

RandomGenerator.Int32(1, 7) is an exact repro i believe

[unique crane]

😐

[hearty shard]

Unsecure is default

[unique crane]

Whatever

[cosmic hedge]

that's the secure method

[unique crane]

the important part is the loop

[cosmic hedge]

yeah

[hearty shard]

ya

[cosmic hedge]

why is it looping lmfao

who wrote this 🔥

[unique crane]

Me when I set min and max to 1

[hearty shard]

well max was 7 apparently

[unique crane]

No wonder that freezes

The chance of you getting like that number is ~2^32

[hearty shard]

yeaaahh

[unique crane]

Just get more lucky

XD

[cosmic hedge]

i'd like to thank my desire to not instantiate random and not having unityengine as a reference when i first wrote it for freezing my game

[soft depot]

"instantiate" only refers to stuff like prefabs
so "construct" / "create a new instance of" would be a better term

I legit looked up the definition once

[hearty shard]

prefabs...

[cosmic hedge]

real...

[unique crane]

I think ill just pass it through mask for the bits you might need and clamp it xd

[soft depot]

prefabs or other game objects

[hearty shard]

ur a prefab

[restive turret]

might be fix our thing too with this, thank u

[soft depot]

well to be fair, we all do look alike

having a child could be though of instantiating from 2 humans

[cosmic hedge]

first plugin i make to mess around and i freeze the server
starting strong

[cosmic hedge]

honestly a bit funny but im happy i of all new people to labapi found it bc i maintain my own projects so i had a better understanding of Why it was happening than most would

[restive turret]

happened to us tbh but i just cached the result

[cosmic hedge]

side issue is that it's technically doing the same exact thing twice in two different methods (with regards to inside the using)

[unique crane]

Happens

Like I found that PlayerPrefs arrays arent serialized correctly

and depend on your localization XD

(No one used them before so no one could find out)

[cosmic hedge]

i fix a lot of silly things like that where i do most of my stuff, yeah

it's very funny

[hearty shard]

PlayerPrefsSl or unity

[unique crane]

@cosmic hedge Report it on labapi please

github

[unique crane]

Sl ones

[hearty shard]

interesting indeed

[cosmic hedge]

will do!

[unique crane]

Happens

[cosmic hedge]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/283

[upper vapor]

And I think to myself
What a wonderful shit

this is peak gambling

"99.999% of servers hang before generating a random number!"

[slate flume]

This is why I use my own implementation with System.Random

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-funny-meme-what-gif-22548813

[hearty shard]

axed

[slate flume]

I don't need my shit cryptographically secure, I just need a random enough number that it seems random to the average player

[hearty shard]

tbf

it defaults to not cryptographically secure

the only issue is basegame doesnt use every method in there so they havent tested them all for this issue

honestly idk if it uses any of the min max ones

[slate flume]

Quick question

I've been browsing for a while

I genuinely cannot find a way to get the vector3 center of a door

Should I do it manually or can I cast it like you can with IDestructibles to get center of mass

[upper vapor]

1. create 0-extents bounds with center of door position

• loop through colliders, bounds.Encapsulate(collider.bounds)
• get final bounds center

[slate flume]

Step 1 confuses me "create 0-extents bounds with center of door position"
I don't have the center of the door's position, that's my current issue

[upper vapor]

i meant like

pass the door position as the center

[slate flume]

Oh gotcha

I see

Yeah I'll give it a shot, thank you!

[upper vapor]

np

[slate flume]

Wow that was beautiful

It worked first try

[upper vapor]

[slate flume]

Bounds bounds = new Bounds(door.transform.position, Vector3.zero);
foreach (var collider in door.AllColliders)
    bounds.Encapsulate(collider.bounds);
PrimitiveObjectToy.Create(bounds.center);

Well except this one

This one is weird

[upper vapor]

uuhhhhhh

[slate flume]

Probably cause I had the door open

[upper vapor]

yeah that is probably causing mishap

maybe precompute the centers

or

add the y value of the center to the door's position

[slate flume]

Ahhh smart!

[upper vapor]

well, overwrite it cuz otherwise surface doors' "centers" would be at y = 590

[slate flume]

Is it better to
Vector3.up * bounds.center.y
Or
new Vector3(0, bounds.center.y, 0)

[upper vapor]

last one is probs faster

don't add it though, just set the y value from the bounds

[slate flume]

Oh yeah

You right you right

[warped prairie]

the dboys when i turn them all into white spheres

[upper vapor]

xdd

[slate flume]

They had it coming

[warped prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

[upper vapor]

is this real footage from pompeii?

[slate flume]

NW Moment

[upper vapor]

"spell check was never an option"

[restive turret]

I throught i was using the systems one or something but apparently not

[slate flume]

private static readonly System.Random Rnd = new();
public static double NextDouble() => Rnd.NextDouble();
public static float RandomFloat(float min, float max) => (float)NextDouble() * (max - min) + min;
public static int RandomInt(int min, int max) => (int)Math.Floor(NextDouble() * (max + 1 - min) + min);

That's good for about 99% of applications

Now that I'm thinking though

I should just use Mathf.FloorToInt

Wait

That just does the same thing

But with a cast

Nvm

[cosmic hedge]

this looks so unclean though....

i just use Random.Range personally

[slate flume]

Why

[cosmic hedge]

youre just casting and im p sure methods exist for this
look at unitys Random for example

[true cedar]

why

[slate flume]

I'm casting because I'm using System.Random and not UnityEngine.Random

UnityEngine.Random uses a different system than System.Random

[cosmic hedge]

why even

[slate flume]

Because I feel more comfortable using System.Random, it's better documented what happens behind the scenes to make it work

Iirc Unity has never stated what algorithm they use to generate random numbers

If I'm remembering correctly, .NET 4.8 uses a version of the uh

Knuth algorithm or whatever

[glad pagoda]

their random is very funny

it just returns a sinusoid between max and min value

[slate flume]

Yeah I don't really know much about it

That sounds funny though

[glad pagoda]

it's bad if you need random looking results lol

[slate flume]

I'm so happy you mention this cause it backs up my point

[glad pagoda]

@slate flume for context

i was once making a flappy bird clone for fun

and iu used unity ranom for pipe offsets

and the pipe holes kept makign a sinusoid lol

i switched to system.random

and suddenly they appeared random

eversince I never use the unity one

[restive turret]

nice

[celest thorn]

wtf is this

[static meteor]

Factorio

[restive turret]

Factorio

[celest thorn]

Crazy

am i playing for too much time sl?
||https://i.e-z.host/🐀/gaoksnrg.png ||

[slate flume]

Absolutely fire

[slate flume]

So yeah read the aforementioned

[slate flume]

Which is wild

Generally I'm happy with my choice using System.Random, and I've had no issues
I know what algorithm is used, I know how it works behind the scenes, all that

I can't say the same for UnityEngine

[glad pagoda]

.net uses xorshiro btw

[slate flume]

In .NET something+

They changed algorithms like

2020 or something

I know SL uses 4.8 so I'm unsure if it still uses Knuth or what

[plain gazelle]

is there any kind of event for deleting items? like through RA panel?

i need an efficient way to know when an item has been deleted

InventorySystem.InventoryExtensions.OnItemRemoved ?

[grand flower]

yeah

that'll do it

[plain gazelle]

The parameters are (ReferenceHub hub, ItemBase base1, ItemPickupBase base2)
I can only explain the hub being of the player owning the item, ItemBase being the item, but what is ItemPickupBase for?
Does this event also get called for Pickups?

[grand flower]

check what fires it

[plain gazelle]

Went down the execution path and i dont understand it

ill just ignore it

[restive turret]

Either one can be null

Base1 and base2 too

[plain gazelle]

if (base1 == null) return;

x3c

Thanks

[restive turret]

Idunno how i did it but did some checking and stuff

[plain gazelle]

In the event PlayerEvents.ItemUsageEffectsApplying += ItemUsageEffectsApplying;
If i block the usage of the Hat, SCP-268, the player can no longer open their inventory and the hat stays on their head :x

Whats going on

[slate flume]

In order to determine if the player is wearing the hat, the game checks if they're Invisible

What's happening is you're preventing the Invisible effect from applying, but not actually preventing the hat itself from being put on

[plain gazelle]

wack

[slate flume]

So the game puts the hat on, but then determines you're not wearing the hat

[warped prairie]

[plain gazelle]

What im trying to do is

1. Player is putting on the hat, with animation
2. When animation finishes,
   - Hat item
   - Physical head object is deleted
   - No effect is applied

[restive turret]

Why not just disable the using?

[plain gazelle]

I want the animation

[restive turret]

I never done such a thing so

Why not wait after applying then do such a thing?

[plain gazelle]

1 frame of invisibility

fineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[celest thorn]

i know a way you can trigger the animation

without giving the effect

[restive turret]

Do
Timing.CallDelayed(-1, nything());
So it runs 1 frame before

[celest thorn]

i did it for a server of mine

[restive turret]

[celest thorn]

            new StatusMessage(StatusMessage.StatusType.Start, ev.UsableItem.Base.ItemSerial).SendToAuthenticated(0);
            Timing.CallDelayed(ev.UsableItem.Base.UseTime - 0.1f, () =>
            {
                new StatusMessage(StatusMessage.StatusType.Cancel, ev.UsableItem.Base.ItemSerial).SendToAuthenticated(0);
                cur_item?.OnAnimationEnded(ev.Player, ev.UsableItem);
            });

here

[celest thorn]

if you don't cancel it, it desynced the game

[restive turret]

Nice

[cyan crown]

I finished doing the fuck ass networking for my SL clone

I hate that shit man :(

[grand flower]

already?

[restive turret]

Day 0 or something idk

[restive turret]

Good luck with server authed movement with no prediction (I feeled it was shit)

[cyan crown]

Yeah i got no relay so it wouldnt work anyways

[cyan crown]

Not like fully finished but i finished just syncing movement, animations, sounds

[grand flower]

Still sounds pretty fast

[cyan crown]

Really?

How does it usually take tho?

[grand flower]

Depends on the project, and how serious you want it to be tbh

Movement is one of the tougher ones in your list

[cyan crown]

Since i did do networking long time ago and i used same things i did back then

I also followed this tutorial back then

https://youtu.be/kZF41MdT1Fo?si=hfxA0Fy0NS3aTKpP

[grand flower]

I'll check it out in a bit

[true cedar]

netcode isnt real

[sinful bronze]

In unity 6 (and i think from 2022) multiplayer creation more simply

[grand flower]

There's no simple way to do movement

Not on Unity

[cyan crown]

Unity 6 makes multiplayer really easy to do

Im using 6.2

[sinful bronze]

Netcode always good way

[grand flower]

There's a difference between just having multiplayer and having a good implementation

[sinful bronze]

Gangsta pineapple

[limber silo]

They have

It is in their docs

[hearty shard]

Jesus!!

[cyan crown]

Yeah true its obviously not good i still experience lag with movement

[hearty shard]

Bestie!!

[limber silo]

hey

[sinful bronze]

Hey

[hearty shard]

get out!! (Hi)

[cyan crown]

I need to add more debug tools and man i have to work on the fuck ass ra panel😿

[hearty shard]

[sinful bronze]

Car

[grand flower]

I'd put that low in your priority heh

[hearty shard]

Okay you are forgiven

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-umamusume-pretty-derby-kitasan-black-satono-diamond-tokai-teio-gif-15757677585386550434

[cyan crown]

RA panel?

I should work on classes manager since i have the UI set up for it

[grand flower]

Yes

Also looked at the tutorial and yeah it's not gonna be really good

But if you're just making a clone for fun then w/e

[true cedar]

im too lazy to learn

how do labapi configs work

[slate flume]

Oh wait you right lol

[hearty shard]

They dont

What specifically do yoj wanna nnow

[cyan crown]

Yeah just a shit coded clone tbh just to gain experience on multiplayer games

[grand flower]

If you're going for experience on multiplayer games then I'd still reconsider your current implementation

[cyan crown]

Since i dont have money and assets to buy them from the store i picked SL to clone

[grand flower]

Look into more advanced techniques

[limber silo]

just use the exiled like plugin clSs

And it works the same way

[true cedar]

have a config

[limber silo]

you just dont have to inherit IConfig

[cyan crown]

True i'll look into it :'D also thanks for the advice

[hearty shard]

Plugin<YourConfig>

Or override the load config method

In Plugin

And then uhhh

this.TryLoadConfig

[hearty shard]

This will make it nullable config

[hearty shard]

With this manual route you can make it not nullable

[true cedar]

okay and then u just use

plugin.config i assume

[true cedar]

how do u add comments

[restive turret]

Description

Same as in exiled one

[true cedar]

i legitimately have not used exiled for like

2 years

[limber silo]

thats all from yamldotnet

[restive turret]

[Description("meow")]

[hearty shard]

[Description("hi")]

[hearty shard]

shhh

[true cedar]

maybe 3

[hearty shard]

ya

[restive turret]

Can we destroy yaml

[hearty shard]

Create labapiconfighandlingsystemthattotallyworksverywell

Make sure its that long

[restive turret]

Oh yeah make sure you do not do stuff like SCP in the config and do Scp instead

Cus it will ser as |s_c_p`

[true cedar]

why

oh

[restive turret]

Bc yaml

[true cedar]

stupid

[restive turret]

NW made a settings for snake case

[true cedar]

yamldotnet is garbage

[hearty shard]

Slime r u a witch

[hearty shard]

Garbage collect it

[true cedar]

we should gc you

[restive turret]

Which you cannot change and I redid the yaml stuff for my own which does the same as you typed

But ofc the first letter is always lowercase

[hearty shard]

What the fuck

[restive turret]

A wizard

[hearty shard]

@moderators id like to report an evil creature

[hearty shard]

Oh okay

[restive turret]

Idk if u wanna see my impl (of trying and million errors) its public on GitHub with just mostly code and some minimal assets

[restive turret]

Friendly fire is not tolerated

[hearty shard]

What the hell

[restive turret]

Aren't You evil too

[hearty shard]

No

Never

I should sleep

[restive turret]

Fake, false

[hearty shard]

Its 1 am

[restive turret]

Yes

[hearty shard]

this is every day

its okay

cuz im eve and id win

actually

Im so cooked

[restive turret]

Bc you are evil

[hearty shard]

Cooking class with nausea and having puked multiple times is gonna be horrid

Might skip

[cyan crown]

for those who are curious this is what i got finished

for my SL clone

this is being held by duct tape😂

[restive turret]

As unity too

[cyan crown]

these objects in the video represente the zones LCZ, HCZ, SZ and i have made theme transition between them it only happens once so i can put this next to gates or transition between zones to switch the theme

[cyan crown]

real

[restive turret]

I dont really have any vid of me doing anything so

[cyan crown]

i was thinking of using Old Models since the new models don't have any public T posing Rigged ones so i can't really make ragdolls :(

its fine i like to share with people and see what they think and i would like to see what people cook in unity

[restive turret]

I will try to create some new UI stuff with TMP

So some people who like doing broadcast and hints and other stuff might be pleased or something idk

[cyan crown]

yeah TMP is really cool

[teal junco]

still better than real

[cyan crown]

i haven't really fully read its documentation i just know the basic stuff but it has a lot of potential

[restive turret]

I used it 2 times

[teal junco]

Also you need to fix that footstep noisemaker

please

[cyan crown]

yeah its fucked up

i got stuck with footsteps after finishing syncing shit

[teal junco]

I imagine it's harder than it looks

[soft depot]

I wish normal SL server wasn't headless so I could use cameras

[teal junco]

well it also does save like

some gigabytes

[cyan crown]

lol i have this reference image i took a week ago

[teal junco]

Jovix what is next on yourlist of stuff

[cyan crown]

i did encounter a funny bug

[restive turret]

"some" like atleast 20

[restive turret]

Bald

[soft depot]

S-boi

[teal junco]

isnt SL like 5 gigabytes

[burnt hearth]

BALD

[cyan crown]

i can do first person shadows as soon as possible but it will kill performance :'D

[restive turret]

The main or headless?

[cyan crown]

10 fps for you and the other 50 is diveded on the half of the server

[teal junco]

as you can see this guy is doing his best Northwood RP

[teal junco]

main

[cyan crown]

💀

[teal junco]

headless is <1gb

[restive turret]

6gb ye

[cyan crown]

these are the sprites i have right now

i really don't understand how they did inventory slots since these slots don't make any sense at all

[teal junco]

couldnt you theoretically install assets into the server so it can become self aware and produce screenshots

[teal junco]

this is crazy bruh

[cyan crown]

it doesn't make any sense but i'll look into it later

[restive turret]

Anyway gonna sleep, gn

I might record some show what i did

[cyan crown]

since its almost 1 am i'll just add a ms tracker or some shit to test

[cyan crown]

gn

[restive turret]

Big inventory, show slot

1x1 is my favorite

[cyan crown]

yes but most of them are not correctly fitting the other sprites at all

[restive turret]

Can't you still the inv8 with slot8's?

[cyan crown]

yeah i think it will work i'll test it

it will take me time since i have to launch SL and get a pixel perfect reference

since without taking references from the game it will feel off and weird

they must be rotated to fit perfectly

but my guess i'll use a event trigger

[restive turret]

Tbh i would use diff Inv system

I mean the cycrlers

Aaa it's too late

[cyan crown]

yeah gg :(

i haven't coded anything for inventory yet

so there is still hope

since i only wanted to add ms text on top left

to help with debug and other shit

[true cedar]

@hearty shard give me a name for my watermark plugin

if u dont im naming it watruemark

[worthy rune]

Thanks for taking the time to review the system I really appreciate that. I do plan todo base game changes so that other SSSS systems can be made compatible with each other as I don't want to limit peoples choices. I did initially use harmony patches in development(mostly for bug fixes) but I had moved them all to the base-game as of 14.1.4.

The generics are a implementation detail, I would like to hide them as I agree they are very confusing at a glance and you would never actually need to use them. Performance I'm not sure about yet as I have not tested with a full server(I will likely do some testing on a full live server for this), I have been keeping track of the complexity of each major operation and made sure I'm using the cheapest update method based on the change. for example the the ServerSettings.SendToPlayer methods are O(n) where N is the number of potentially visible settings. this should mean its quite cheap to call per player, on the other hand ServerSettings.BuildModel requires all settings to be looped over which isn't ideal but is necessary in some situations. Also PlayerSettings that have get/set properties will use the cheap base-game update methods internally so you don't have to resend every time you make a change. This will make it such that the "expensive" BuildModel/SendToPlayer are only required when either a setting is added/removed or a setting has a property changed which wasn't syncable with the cheap methods which shouldn't happen often unless your making a pretty complex tool.

For updates I did implement something similar to IgnoreNextResponse as I have encountered this problem in the past with the base game SSSS system. There's a enum EventUpdateFilter which allows you to ignore certain updates like Initial acquisition and reacquisition(reacquisition is where you receive the same value again, which happens when the client responds to a setting being send again) I find this to be a much easier way to go about it as the consumer, even if a little less flexible. if you need every update no matter what you can specify EventUpdateFilter.All to receive all updates, although I don't recommend it.

As for grouped the server-only settings into the setting models im not sure I understand it, are you refering to how ServerSided is specified on a per model basis, or that ServerSided is set when theres no Id provided, or something else?

I was hoping to cover most basis including complex stuff, ill check out your ASS.Example and see if its replicatable(in a reasonable manner) in this system

[soft depot]

what I meant is that I was sad that you had to include handling for server-onlu settings in each setting model (like DropdownModel, etc...) instead of having a dedicated model for server-only settings (which is what I essentially did with ASS, although I haven't tested it)

I feel like it's nicer this way because then you can reasonably have the properties of the server-only settings be get set, but then have the client settings be only get only (because you cant sync the value back)

I feel this kind of behavior is justified (seperating server-only into a different branch of classes) because you cant dynamically change server-only, you'd have to resend settings to switch between server-only and client

did you ever check out ASS when making ComposableSettings btw? I'm a bit proud of it :3

[worthy rune]

i did, but only near the end of development as i was curious how other systems were made

[soft depot]

alr, do you think it's good?

[worthy rune]

i wont lie, i found it abit confusing especially when looking at the example(i know half of that code is because EXILED/LabAPI) but i found the amount of events abit overwhelming. the API on the otherhand I found to be easy to understand at a glance. didnt look too much into it though

[soft depot]

yeah I need to work on adding docs...

[worthy rune]

i think there would be alot of classes todo this(event if the classes should be small). ill look into it again, as it was something i thought about early into development and decided against it(although i forgot the reason at the time)

[soft depot]

well the model is just the backend for the settings right? I kinda take my point back after thinking abt it

I keep forgetting settings are essentially static with that API

[worthy rune]

static?

[soft depot]

you cant really change a pages settings now can you?

they're all based on the properties of an inherited class

and the models only do backend stuff to manage the properties

[worthy rune]

you can use IEnumberable inside pages, if you want dynamic settings

[soft depot]

really?

[worthy rune]

yeah

you can even do Dictionary<Player,List<SettingBase>> if you want to show a completely different set of settings per player

although that should be pretty rare

[soft depot]

not if you do menus :P

[worthy rune]

well you woudnt use that for menus

[soft depot]

something like the keycard creator I made

you want certain settings based on a previous input

[worthy rune]

that should be possible

[soft depot]

man I honestly cannot figure out where you evaluate the IEnumerable / Dictionary so I just give up 😭 🙏 if you say it works it works

[worthy rune]

check inside PageModel

[soft depot]

I can see the wrappers

but not where they're evaluated in SendToPlayer

[worthy rune]

the graph is exposed through the interfaces if that makes sense

[soft depot]

idk man it's too much interface / generic for me

[worthy rune]

idealy you wouldnt have to read the code to understand it, will definitely make a wiki/docs to explain all its features when the time comes

[soft depot]

also DnSpy is prolly butchering it all

[worthy rune]

yeah

[soft depot]

you should just tell devs to just ignore the backend code and only read the wiki 😭

[worthy rune]

heres the original

[soft depot]

yea DnSpy butchered it

it'll prolly be a lot more readable once you guys commit that to LabAPI

why did you use underscores in local/argument names bro 😭 🙏

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-reaction-meme-funny-begging-crying-gif-11151243012681431164

[worthy rune]

xD

[true cedar]

dnspy is so fucking outdated

and dnspyex is even worse

thats not related to anything

[teal junco]

does anyone know a plugin or lib with a high quality player state save/load?

[true cedar]

write to a json file

works 100%

[teal junco]

No more like the actual data, not serialization

[true cedar]

yea write to a json fie

file

[true cedar]

no but u can try looking at what like the billion xp systems do

[teal junco]

what do you think i mean by player state

i probably couldve worded it better.

unless im being dumb here

[true cedar]

i was thinking you wanted to

save

info about players

like stays

stats

in a database

[teal junco]

oh i know how to do that. I mean I could learn Sql for that but i mean like

serializing a player's gamestate (inventory, role, hp info, position, etc)

[true cedar]

oh

[teal junco]

and the ability to unload it onto a player

[true cedar]

i had to do that for brights

idk if anyone has done it before

[true cedar]

i could maybe send u a fragment of my code or at least what i did

[teal junco]

alr

thanks

[true cedar]

tmrw tho

[teal junco]

thats fine im not doing anything

[upper vapor]

Terminate snake case

[true cedar]

i have bad news for you

rust uses snake case exclusively

well

[slate flume]

Snake case is psycho behavior

[upper vapor]

I also have bad news for you
I don't care about rust

[true cedar]

i do

and so everyone should

[upper vapor]

Hello
https://github.com/Axwabo/SCPSL-Helpers/tree/main/Axwabo.Helpers%2FPlayerInfo

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-ben-no-ben-gif-25171463

[worthy rune]

heres what i came up with, not sure ifs a 1:1 but should be pretty close. only tested alittle and seems to be working. to register it would just be

ServerSettings.AddToGlobalPageDropdown(new KeycardCreatorExample());
ServerSettings.SendToAllPlayers();

making different sub pages types was probably unnecessary, a single subpage type that took a list and string(for the name) would also work

[restive turret]

Confusing in first time

[slate flume]

Are you working on SSSS stuff for LabAPI?

God I'd click for an SSSS wrapper in LabAPI

Not that I hate what other people have made just I wish to not rely on unofficial support and I don't wanna have to make my own

[worthy rune]

yeah

[restive turret]

Because it's confusing

[teal junco]

SS wrappers would be nice

working with it is kinda fucked up lwk

[worthy rune]

tried it out and is alittle better imo

[worn gull]

https://tenor.com/view/gm-chat-meme-cat-funny-gif-7200066067027204690

[static meteor]

Middle of the night for me

[restive turret]

Go to sleep my man

[worn gull]

I'm at uni

[worn gull]

They hit me with 3 "Programozás alapjai" - Programming basics

[restive turret]

Formal Languages and Automata

8-12

[worn gull]

Which uni?

[restive turret]

not gonna disclose it

[worn gull]

Alr

[royal mica]

Ahhh progalap, lovely

[restive turret]

when the basics is javacsript 💀

[upper vapor]

Xd

[icy knoll]

it is very easy to learn

[restive turret]

ye but you should not start with that

start with basics that you getting familiar with data types

[icy knoll]

i started with python then went to js, i preferred js in the end 😭

[restive turret]

and like actual basics

i mean ye you can write prob some shit faster in js since doesnt neccessary need any background knowledge of types

you only know like two, number and string

[upper vapor]

W

Python has alien syntax

[unique crane]

Both equally sucks

[upper vapor]

Xdddd

Start by seeing sharp, problem solved

[cyan crown]

Sea sharp

[celest thorn]

hello

[restive turret]

hi

[upper vapor]

How much water do I need to add to the alap to make prog soup

[royal mica]

a lot

don't forget the pasta as well

that is mandatory

[upper vapor]

I don't eat soup with pasta in it
I eat pasta with some soup in it

[unique crane]

whar

[wanton turtle]

Yucky

[royal mica]

BASED, I love my pasta with soup

[restive turret]

Suup

[warped prairie]

Real actually this guy gets it

[true cedar]

i love this channel cause its basically just general

[restive turret]

General with the plugin devs

[tulip kiln]

A wrapper would be amazing but one other feature would be even better. Could we make SSSS options "hideable", but still usable by clients? They could be useful in a case like this:

There is a global dropdown to select a "page". Selecting a page sends different settings to a client.
Each page has its own set of settings.
Page 1 has a button. This works, since a button needs to be visible in order to be pressed.
Page 2 contains a keybind. Now we have an issue where if someone is on Page 1, they will not be able to use the bind.

Hidden options would solve this by hiding settings instead of not sending them
Would this be possible? 🙏

[hearty shard]

this can be handled btw

already

[tulip kiln]

how

[hearty shard]

you just send the keybinds in 1 page when client closes the settings

[rain isle]

I also love today's sponsor, Raid-

[tulip kiln]

I asked this a while back and someone said I couldn't do that

hm

[hearty shard]

client tells you when they close the settings page

so you send keybinds only there

and then when they open you resync the correct page

but yeah i should make a labapi issue for what i have already asked for on SSS

[worthy rune]

yeah as eve said its already possible, although internally its abit janky/inefficient

[hearty shard]

yea

[worthy rune]

i think someone suggested client sided pages, which could solve this issue more efficeniently while also solving other problems like how you have to hoist all the settings on the initial send

[hearty shard]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/284

@worthy rune

[upper vapor]

Your soup needs more pasta than soup

[hearty shard]

i might not be fully clear on everything but yk

2/3 of these require client changes

[upper vapor]

We have issue logs now

Crazy

[hearty shard]

yum

[worthy rune]

not sure if wrappers are going to be a thing

you cant really do PlayerSetting.Get(ServerSpecificSettingBase user_setting) and the way your use them would be very different from base-game sss that it would be weird to call them wrappers

[tulip kiln]

Worst case scenario I'll just steal the wrapper from eve again so

[hearty shard]

again 😭

[alpine glade]

Hi eve

[hearty shard]

ur fired

[alpine glade]

No u

[restive turret]

Me when i only use it in one thing

[hearty shard]

@soft depot howd u make it be this stinky

howd u end up with a broken setting system that requires this patched

[restive turret]

Eve can you patch your code

[hearty shard]

this is why we

[soft depot]

That defaults to true

[restive turret]

CallDelayed(-1,..)

[hearty shard]

also why return false here when you can = null it

[true cedar]

they should let me design the new ss setting system

and only me

[hearty shard]

you should join nw

[soft depot]

Player.Get in SendToPlayer for events causing an error cuz it was called during Auth

[royal mica]

you would introduce rust iterop and force ppl to use rust for it

[soft depot]

Because = null defaults to true

[restive turret]

Ban

[hearty shard]

for me its not broken

[upper vapor]

Xddd

[hearty shard]

[upper vapor]

Social engineer your way into getting that implemented

[royal mica]

Actually that is a pretty good question why it is send during preauth

[soft depot]

I wonder if riptide is gonna change when default SendToPlayer happens

[upper vapor]

Eager loading (with an added benefit of nres)

[restive turret]

When the auth is pre or something

[royal mica]

Yeah but preauth ppl should not interract until they are auth

[true cedar]

i was gonna

but i didnt

[upper vapor]

Tell that to nw

[restive turret]

Tag hubert , he's the one who made the system

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/foiled-cat-funny-cat-meme-cute-gif-4770784610413068186

[soft depot]

You can check the place where it’s used

[true cedar]

eve

[hearty shard]

no...

[restive turret]

Yes

[true cedar]

ruei v3 tomorrow

have u rigged the firework show

[upper vapor]

Are you sör about that

[soft depot]

I will

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051988905320255509/1146537451750432778/ezgif.com-video-to-gif_2.gif

And copy to HSM

[true cedar]

im ngl

atp why even use hsm

[upper vapor]

Make it agpl so ppl can't just yoink

[soft depot]

How come nameless gets to go in the logs but I dont 😔

[true cedar]

meh

[hearty shard]

good

[upper vapor]

True

Why would you use threads

For hints

Like omg...

[true cedar]

if ur gonna incorporate ruei into hsm

[upper vapor]

There was a branch made to do something like that afaik

At least at some point

[true cedar]

GPL makes it so that you would have to provide it somehow if u ran a server iirc

and idgaf what people do with it as long as its not like

evil

[upper vapor]

AGPL forces you to publish the modified version if hosting

[true cedar]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL

this is a good license

[upper vapor]

What the fucky

[hearty shard]

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-umamusume-pretty-derby-kitasan-black-satono-diamond-tokai-teio-gif-15757677585386550434

[cyan crown]

Plugins dev chat

[hearty shard]

you will never see the light of day

[cyan crown]

Pretty evil from you i'm deleting discord after this😿

[true cedar]

yea

[cyan crown]

Plugins dev chat?

[restive turret]

Dev chat plugin?

[true cedar]

what if ur only a plugin dev

not a plugins dev

[cyan crown]

Chat dev plugin!?

[upper vapor]

You don't qualify in that case

[cyan crown]

😿

[worthy rune]

gban

[true cedar]

chat plugin dev

[cyan crown]

Chat plugin dev

[true cedar]

what is a tr*nslator doing here

[cyan crown]

😿

So evil

[true cedar]

what do u even speak

i bet its something stupid

like french

[restive turret]

A language

[cyan crown]

I speak arabic , english and a little bit of french

[true cedar]

see

i was kinda right

[restive turret]

I don't speak i just listen

[true cedar]

eve should learn from you

[cyan crown]

😿

[hearty shard]

you shh

[cyan crown]

That was so evil i'm sending guards to KOS you in every single server

[true cedar]

damn

[modern lark]

I have no ear, and I must hear

[true cedar]

more people from the northern woods???

[upper vapor]

pretty wild

[modern lark]

Yes :3

[cyan crown]

:3

[celest thorn]

yo chat how big should i do a hub 500x500 or 1000x1000?

[restive turret]

50000x5000000

[cyan crown]

Do 1000x1000 so its 1kmx1km

[celest thorn]

Hmmm i mean

for reference

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/q6oe8pj2.png

im planning to use this

[cyan crown]

Oh ok i thought you were actually making a 1km x 1km map

[celest thorn]

which is lile

399x399

[cyan crown]

399 meters💀

[celest thorn]

but its going to be in the background

yes

[celest thorn]

its a massive tree

what do you expect

[cyan crown]

All that for background

[celest thorn]

yep

btw im not going back to general

im too scared

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/z2b32hjy.png

this is a 500x 500

and the thing selected is the player

[limber silo]

plugins development chat

trust

[hearty shard]

fake

[warped prairie]

Who up developing they plugin rn

[celest thorn]

I don't develop plugins

[warped prairie]

Your just here for the love of the game atp

[celest thorn]

im here because #general-chat is full of moths and fly

[civic flume]

It is gone

[celest thorn]

i don't trust anyone

[civic flume]

😭😭

I dont even have embed perms

[restive turret]

https://tenor.com/view/sob-emoji-uoh-gif-5219683429330963557

[teal junco]

plugin dev chat is my home

i havent even looked at general in weeks

[celest thorn]

crazy

[cyan crown]

😨 so im not allowed to share my unity stuff?😿

[clear siren]

yo anyone able to help me on this?

[cyan crown]

I guess you can check over watch since it probably has a function that allows scps to be heard by OW player

Im not sure but devs here will tell you exact script and code used for it

[clear siren]

ok

because i tried with my friends

[celest thorn]

you need secret api

and then check SSSS

[icy knoll]

im giving them support in the thread

no need to give support here

[restive turret]

Lel

[hearty shard]

No!

[restive turret]

Wdym no

[celest thorn]

No!

[restive turret]

You too?

[celest thorn]

i just wanna be silly :3

[hearty shard]

Stop speaking to urself its not good for you

[celest thorn]

im gonna become the worst voices you have on your head

[restive turret]

Fake

There is so much more voice

Like atleast 7

[celest thorn]

crazy

[warped prairie]

Are any of them freaks

[restive turret]

You

[cyan crown]

I hate map gen man i can't get it to work in my clone

[warped prairie]

I’m in your head?

[restive turret]

Rewrite it

You can even network the rooms

So can move runtime

;torl

[cyan crown]

True but im not like using same code as SL btw

Im trying to use a different method then layouts

Which is why its impossible to make for now

[restive turret]

SL using something like image gen or something

[cyan crown]

Yeah they use a 2D map gen that spawns room sprites then those sprites spawn the prefab assigned to them

Thats why 079 and 106 soft reworkes were a thing in 12.0 bc hubert rewrote map gen and it became more accessable

[alpine glade]

Hi

[celest thorn]

i tried to make maps generate in specific spots i wanted but couldn't figure it out how

[cyan crown]

The issue right now is that i need to make a 2D sprite generator that i can generate sprites from and assign to rooms

SL also uses a custom scene to generate icons for items

It was seen in a developer stream back then i think when they worked on 127

[restive turret]

Check how Minecraft does it with it's rooms (trial chamber)

[cyan crown]

Oh ok i'll check it out

[noble lava]

I say we send jovix to the trial chamber

[cyan crown]

Oh man😿

[celest thorn]

minecraft trial chambers are just 3/4 structure that randomly generate

[cyan crown]

I saw that minecraft uses chunk based generation i guess i can slap a box collider that covers the whole room from top to bottom then have that room has 2 empty gameobject called connectors now the tricky part is how i rotate and connect the other rooms not in code but general idea and logic

[restive turret]

He trial on my chambers

[cyan crown]

💀

I guess i can have the shit hard coded and it spawns a specific room every time but differently rotated

[celest thorn]

yes

[cyan crown]

Or i can do the "peak" method and just make maps and swap between them when loading a scene

Oh so good idea then

[celest thorn]

minecraft generates world, caves and then structures

and at the end the world spawnpoint

which has rules

[cyan crown]

I had this idea of expanding a single room spawns in 0 0 0 and it spawns other rooms around it

[celest thorn]

are you doing it custom

or just making it compatible with base game?

[cyan crown]

Custom

[celest thorn]

then use a sort of dungeon generation

[cyan crown]

Oh cool i'll do more reasearch

For my SL clone

Since i want this system to be expandable in the future if i want to make some insane layouts

[cyan crown]

This message is so delayed lmao

[upper vapor]

There's an algorithm to do just that
Can't recall the name

[cyan crown]

Oh :( if you find what its called ping me please

It will be very helpful

[teal junco]

i feel like map gen should be the easiest part

[unique crane]

@celest thorn White Knuckle update btw

[celest thorn]

crazy

[restive turret]

Then do it

[teal junco]

I don't have any projects requiring it right now

[restive turret]

Do it send to jovix, profit

[teal junco]

Maybe later

[restive turret]

TF2 reference??

[teal junco]

I realize jovis mightve wanted procedural

instead of preset

so kinda harder than I thought

[plain gazelle]

How can i remove the SCP-268 invisible hat timer off of someone?

[cyan crown]

Hell no

Map gen is the hardest thing right next after Character class manager

[teal junco]

u mean make it permanent?

[teal junco]

what are your map gen specifications

[cyan crown]

Btw i read the messages its not procedural

[plain gazelle]

Meant the cooldown sry

[cyan crown]

Its preset but isnt limited to layouts it makes its own layouts rather then manually doing it

So yeah i guess its procedural some one way or another

[upper vapor]

usable.ServerSetPersonalCooldown(0)

the labapi wrapper probably has a property like this

[plain gazelle]

thankies

[upper vapor]

np

[teal junco]

yeah that sounds hard

containment breach had occasional issues with end rooms spawning in the same place

[weary lark]

Guys why isn’t my plug in being read or wtv it dosent work for some reason

[static meteor]

You have to put it in the 20078 folder or global folder

[restive turret]

Shocking on my bytes

[plain gazelle]

Every now and then the entire server lags insanely hard and the console gets flooded with this but i have no idea what this means. Something something Cedmod? Can anyone help decipher this qwq

[restive turret]

Cedmod cannot connect to some server

Check cedmod server for any announcement or stuff like that

Either the cedmod server died
Or you server is somehow denying the connection to cedmod server

[celest thorn]

Or cedmod is being cedmod

[harsh thorn]

fyi, "no such host is known"
is a dns issue, or some other kind of network issue on protocol level

usually a result of a host with networking issues

or a ddos attack causing packets to not reach their destination

[worn gull]

Hi! How can I change the ff multiplier in plugin?

[grand flower]

PlayerHurting event, check if it's friendly fire, change the damage to your liking

[worn gull]

okay thanks

I thought I can change it

Like a value

[grand flower]

no idea

maybe a server setting

yeah there is

[hearty shard]

find where its handled

[grand flower]

friendly_fire: false
friendly_fire_multiplier: 0.4

config_gameplay.txt

[hearty shard]

oh i thought they wanted player specific or smth

[worn gull]

Yeah I knwo

But I want to change it in a plugin

[grand flower]

if player specific then yeah find where friendly_fire_multiplier is handled and patch it

[worn gull]

Okay (tried that but did't find it)

The I will continue the search

[celest thorn]

Someone knows the shot error codes for what they stand for?

@unique crane you know what the code stand for i know 2.x is for modules but 1.0?

[unique crane]

?

[celest thorn]

When the client says "Shot rejected. Code Error: x"

[slate flume]

FUCK YEAH

[unique crane]

Well depends

idk the exact numbers

some are module busy

etc

[celest thorn]

1.0

[unique crane]

idk

[celest thorn]

its the most common one i've seen

[cyan crown]

true

[restive turret]

True

[cyan crown]

https://tenor.com/view/райан-гослинг-рыгающий-gif-15081525553430933211

[pallid galleon]

you had to use code kadava at checkout for it to work

jk just put it in the port or global folder 🙂

[cyan crown]

i added sigma ms

it actually works

when connecting my ping is 1000 ms💀

after a while it goes down slowly until it reaches 27 or 6 ms

[grand flower]

needs to calculate

probably defaults to 1000

[slate flume]

ItemPickupBase.OnPickupAdded will capture every pickup that spawns, right?
Cause I've been using a combination of ServerPickupCreated, PlayerDroppedItem, and other events to try this but it still fails when a player escapes

[teal junco]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SCPSecretLab/s/jcoXJzdXJ8

ts gonna be huge

[slate flume]

Why is this needed

[true cedar]

do any of u know how the fuck to use docfx

im so fucking exhausted

im trying to set up a doc site and im doing the Exact Same FUcking THing that i did for the old docs except its not working

[teal junco]

I have no fucking idea

But the body text is basically saying my full name

chances this guy literally never hires anyone

[slate flume]

Wait quick question

Off-topic

Are pickup serials different than the serials for held items?

Like

If I have an item

And then I drop it

Is the serial between it and the pickup the same

[true cedar]

yes

anyways can i rant about docfx

[slate flume]

Sure