plugins-dev-chat

[upper vapor]

WHAT

[grand flower]

Also fuck the US for even allowing those patents lol

What a bunch of clowns

[restive turret]

I think its Japan allowing them

[grand flower]

oh the US is too

[restive turret]

Or both

[glad pagoda]

it's cause of how their patent law works

[grand flower]

Check the latest ones

[glad pagoda]

patent office doesn't check if the patents are valid

they only check if they're formally correct and if they don't conflict with existing patents

[upper vapor]

the legislation/rules for software patenting are shit nonexistent

[glad pagoda]

if that's fine, they get granted

[restive turret]

Oh these places have no idea how internet works

[glad pagoda]

it's on courts to invalidate patents in the US

you have to challenge patents in court to say they're invalid

[glad pagoda]

iirc with the palworld lawsuit

[restive turret]

Well i can say i do not care about US patents since im not in us

[glad pagoda]

they sued on 30 patents

[upper vapor]

that is so fucking stupid

[glad pagoda]

and the court iirc invalidated 28 of those

[grand flower]

Don't think that protects you

[restive turret]

Wdym

[grand flower]

iirc

[glad pagoda]

well maybe it'd help if you'd block US citizens from accessing your services

[grand flower]

I'm not sure that protects you against those patents

yrah

yeah

You wouldnt be able to sell your game in the US

And since Steam operates in the US for example, that might actually extend to everywhere

[glad pagoda]

also

[grand flower]

If you had a lawsuit pending for copyright violation that is

[glad pagoda]

iirc nintendo is filing with the german patent office too

[restive turret]

Release as p2p release

[grand flower]

fun

[restive turret]

Hell

[glad pagoda]

and I'm pretty sure patents are shared across EU

[restive turret]

We are living in the worst ever timeline

Can we go back

[grand flower]

Watch the geriatrics in Germany be fine with it

[glad pagoda]

germany has the weirdest IT and copyright laws in the world

for example

[restive turret]

Yes i know

[glad pagoda]

public domain doesn't exist in germany

[restive turret]

I have German friend and has no idea half a time why they need to implement those stuff

[glad pagoda]

so if you release a piece of code as public domain

then it can't be used in germany

[upper vapor]

yeah because you can't bring anything to the public domain in germany
like wtf???
or is it just software that you can't

[glad pagoda]

we also had to file in a special form with Steam to not have SL banned in germany

cause they passed a law that all games must submit forms describing their contents

[restive turret]

Ah ye the 18+ one

Even tho you buy games on steam that requires you to have your own cc you cannot even see those content in Germany

[glad pagoda]

germany has the weirdest GDPR too

for example they banned using non Unicode encodings in their GDPR

and in germany you can be put in prison if you comment that somebody is fat too

[upper vapor]

[glad pagoda]

and when somebody from germany reports your stuff on any social media, they have to email you that you have been reported every time

[upper vapor]

does that have to be explicitly said or anything implied applies

[glad pagoda]

actually no that case was just a fine https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/03/german-businessman-cleared-in-mocking-politicians-case/

[unique crane]

I hope this will never be brought to Czech Republic

[glad pagoda]

the funny part is

"Freedom of expression" rankings say that germany is one of the most free countries in europe

same with UK

[unique crane]

Source: UK and Germany

[glad pagoda]

but those ranking are VERY corrupt

want an example?

[unique crane]

Sure

[glad pagoda]

guess what the dip was

and what made it recover

[unique crane]

0 clue

[glad pagoda]

for context 60 is the level of african nations with an active military coup

[glad pagoda]

it was

a right wing party being in power

and then a more left wing one coming back

[unique crane]

💀

[glad pagoda]

did they do any particular thing that supposedely improved stuff from military coup level?

no

they just took power

and that somehow makes stuff like another world

[glad pagoda]

and just a right wing, not far right

and somehow that degrades freedom of speech to coup level

like you can be as left wing as you want

[unique crane]

Well now we know who does these ratings

Exactly

[glad pagoda]

but you can't claim just the fact of different ideology winning does this

[unique crane]

Obviously

[glad pagoda]

@grand flowerbtw you know what's the funniest thing about licensing with SL plugins?

[slate flume]

Yeah no

[grand flower]

sup

[glad pagoda]

if you refernce any of the dlls from the games build

you're breaking the Unity ToS

[grand flower]

heh

[slate flume]

Germany has task forces that monitor the internet for "hate speech"
Iirc this includes pro-palestine advocation

[grand flower]

Well glad I'm fucking with Unity, that's just bonus

[glad pagoda]

they forbid you from using their dlls outside of the editor

[grand flower]

dumb

[glad pagoda]

and they said they'll actively block such DLLs in their nuget integration

[grand flower]

The only restriction I have with UE really is that I can't redistribute their source code

that's it

[glad pagoda]

but yeah

most SL plugins break the Unity licensing

[grand flower]

oh well

https://tenor.com/view/ignore-it-avengers-nick-fury-gif-7473517377990786942

[glad pagoda]

unity is actually quite litigeous with their stuff too btw

[grand flower]

another reason why I'm happy not using it

on top of the fact it's ass

[glad pagoda]

and 6.2, the release we're thinking of moving to, added telementry to game builds

[slate flume]

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-crackdown-israel-gaza-jewish-activist

[glad pagoda]

that's used for ADs

[grand flower]

f

[glad pagoda]

enabled by default even when not using ADs

but can be disabled

[grand flower]

classic unity

[glad pagoda]

i wonder how many game devs won't disable it though

i'm surprised there has been no outrage about it

[unique crane]

Me praying for the 6.2 upgrade every time I open Unity

[grand flower]

port sl to ue

[glad pagoda]

waiting for sysadmins to install it

[glad pagoda]

the editor seemed wayyy faster though

[unique crane]

Ye that's why

[glad pagoda]

and creating a new project no longer took 15 minutes

they finally fixed that

after like

5 years

[unique crane]

It's crazy to say but they actually optimized it

[glad pagoda]

cause i think 2020 started taking that long to create a project

[unique crane]

School pcs took 40 mins

So half of us brought our laptops

[glad pagoda]

you have unity in school?

[unique crane]

We did in high school yea

[glad pagoda]

wtf

[slender lynx]

@celest thorn can you code review this backdoor pls
https://github.com/AftermathServers/ATTGNiceBackdoor

its a blast from the past i know

[celest thorn]

MARO?

WHAT THE FUCK?

[slender lynx]

just do it

[celest thorn]

Maro this is from SMODS2

i don't fucking remember anything

[slender lynx]

im well aware

i just feel like this needed to be brought to light

[celest thorn]

You deleted the entire plugin

bruh

[slender lynx]

i only kept the backdoor

[celest thorn]

Oh

it works inverse ok?

make sense

[slender lynx]

🧠

[unique crane]

Java 1st and 2nd year
3rd year c#, unity, webpages, sql, mysql, Linux, networking
4th year Python, AI, more Linux and more networking

It was hella fun

Today I have my first university lecture

[glad pagoda]

well sounds like you have it better there

here CS schooling sucks

[unique crane]

From people who were on Erasmus

They say it's like waaaay easier everywhere else

[glad pagoda]

you can literally do a tic tac toe website with no backend for a bachelors degree

[unique crane]

I would prob get PhD in US for stuff I did already

[glad pagoda]

like i'm not joking

another bachelors project Ive seen was

android image gallery app

so

you need to know how to make an android app that displays an image

and has a next button

and knows how to load images from storage

to get a degree

[unique crane]

You don't even need to know that

Just ask chatgpt

[glad pagoda]

well yeah

[unique crane]

Me in 10 years being in hospital diagnosed by doctor ,who passed exams via chatgpt

[glad pagoda]

and people claim degrees aren't worthless

[glad pagoda]

for context

for the bachelors project

you get half a year

[unique crane]

Ye same here

[glad pagoda]

and those 2

are real bachelors projects

from one university here

[unique crane]

Yep I believe you

Maturita was also joke here

Like only thing I struggled with was my own language part

Cause I didn't read the books

XD

[glad pagoda]

here it's the other way around

it's hard

[unique crane]

And programming? 15 minutes talking about what Monolith, N-tier and MVVM is

[glad pagoda]

well hard enough for most people to have 0 chances to get into CS courses

like me

not a single univesity in the country would take me with my results

I'd need to go to a private one

cause those are first come first served

[unique crane]

That's crazy

[glad pagoda]

but for CS courses you need 90%+ from maths and it/physics on our matura

and all of those 3 are some of the hardest things there

i had 80 something % from IT

and

it was the HIGHEST score in the history of my school

and somehow that's still too low

[unique crane]

My university has like 500000 ways to get in

From writing simple test, to getting the advanced math matura, solving few of their programming tasks, win some math/programming competition

[glad pagoda]

here you can get in to public schools either if you're total math nerds with 0 real IT knowledge

[unique crane]

To be fair

[glad pagoda]

or

[unique crane]

Half of people are kicked in first semester

[glad pagoda]

if you win a random competition

then you're guaranteed a place

and what's enough to win such competitions?

making a website on how to loose weight

3 of my classmates got into top universities this way

despite them having LOWER SCORES THAN ME

if only I wasn't sick the one week there were signups for that competition

[glad pagoda]

(it's not all competitions, only ones approved by universities)

[glad pagoda]

and same here

IT has 50% staying ratio

[unique crane]

Most people get kicked from the math

[glad pagoda]

not here

here it's

people that got in with 0 IT interest only cause IT pays good and then they leave after seeing they don't like it

[unique crane]

Thats fine then

[glad pagoda]

despite first taking up places for people actually interested in IT

[unique crane]

3/4 of my class wasnt really interested in programming after like 2 years

[glad pagoda]

I'm a huge proponent of reintroducing competence testing

[unique crane]

But they were half way through so they just.. did it somehow

[glad pagoda]

i think they might've banned those here even

but they're a wayyy better way to choose people than math scores

[unique crane]

Ye

[glad pagoda]

like why would you not want the school to test how interested students are in the subject they're applying for

well other than

[unique crane]

Money

[glad pagoda]

not having your kids that aren't intrested get in

[royal mica]

I wonder how hard would it to introduce integration testing to SL

[celest thorn]

Impossible

i remember hubert saying it takes 30/40 minutes to build a version of SL

[cyan crown]

Balright

[royal mica]

Oh I meant for Plugins

[unique crane]

20-25 now

[royal mica]

so you could have a testing framework in LabAPI, that sets up a clean environment with a special game state, where round restart does not reset everything

[celest thorn]

Whats going on at NW

[unique crane]

Petris and ced did some black magic witchery

and its faster

[celest thorn]

this is crazy

[celest thorn]

AHAHHAHAHA

[restive turret]

if u wish i can inv you to my repo or vice versa idrc about the base and stuff until works

[unique crane]

Build argments are like 3 rows now

[royal mica]

wtfű

[restive turret]

wtf

[royal mica]

oh, compiler flags

[celest thorn]

wtf are you guys doing

[royal mica]

I assume compiler flags

[celest thorn]

3 rows for compiler flags

its crazy

[cyan crown]

Yeah i can send you my github user when i come back home from uni

[restive turret]

/D:LABAPI /D:NDEBUG

[unique crane]

I have 0 clue what half of them does a sits just random letter and 2 letters combined

But searching them up

they do exists

[celest thorn]

sorcery

[unique crane]

And apparently its some optimalization stuff

[restive turret]

/D:OM (optimize mirror)

[cyan crown]

Pretty sigma

[restive turret]

/D:x64

[celest thorn]

java -Xms24576M -Xmx24576M -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:+PerfDisableSharedMem -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=8M -XX:G1HeapWastePercent=5 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=40 -XX:G1MixedGCCountTarget=4 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=30 -XX:G1RSetUpdatingPauseTimePercent=5 -XX:G1ReservePercent=20 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=15 -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200 -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -XX:SurvivorRatio=32 -Dusing.aikars.flags=https://mcflags.emc.gs -Daikars.new.flags=true -jar server.jar nogui

this level?

[royal mica]

I was searching for this as well

i love modded minecraft java flags

[celest thorn]

aikars idk he is crazy

[celest thorn]

This is paper flags

/ aikars flags

[royal mica]

The clients looks almost the same tbh

-XX:+UseG1GC -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=37 -XX:+PerfDisableSharedMem -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=16M -XX:G1NewSizePercent=23 -XX:G1ReservePercent=20 -XX:SurvivorRatio=32 -XX:G1MixedGCCountTarget=3 -XX:G1HeapWastePercent=20 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=10 -XX:G1RSetUpdatingPauseTimePercent=0 -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -XX:G1SATBBufferEnqueueingThresholdPercent=30 -XX:G1ConcMarkStepDurationMillis=5.0 -XX:G1ConcRSHotCardLimit=16 -XX:G1ConcRefinementServiceIntervalMillis=150 -XX:GCTimeRatio=99

[celest thorn]

what client are you using?

[royal mica]

PrismLauncher

[celest thorn]

default client doesn't have this flags

[celest thorn]

Oh thats why

[royal mica]

you still need to manually specify these

not default

[cyan crown]

@unique crane

🥰

[upper vapor]

genius

[royal mica]

It is already ruined by fixing Prs at work

[cyan crown]

[celest thorn]

Add Three.js

add Java

add life

add everything

[royal mica]

That just the compiler being a bitch requiring specifying DLL paths no?

[celest thorn]

btw gordon have you played Dying light the beast?

[restive turret]

thats the ilc.rsp file

[royal mica]

the what file

[restive turret]

lmao

[cyan crown]

Yes i got 11 hours played

Its so peak

[restive turret]

when you push your dll or exe to native code (in newest .net) in obj it creates a native folder with name.ilc.rsp

[cyan crown]

I cant to unleash my beast

[celest thorn]

Its only me or Fucking weapons are made out of butter and zombies out of steel

[restive turret]

also funny Linker

[cyan crown]

No zombies grab you more and the game is harder in general due to feedback about game being so easy

[celest thorn]

Zombies grab god

in DL1 was just low health

and was annoying

but here its CONSTANT

public bool ZombieAiGrab = true;

thats it always true

[cyan crown]

Bro i got fucked by volatiles😿

[celest thorn]

you get near one

[cyan crown]

They are so fast

[celest thorn]

I GOT FUCKED TOO

I ran so fast

unleashed the fucking parkour master from DL1

and sprinted to the nearest safe zone

[cyan crown]

https://youtu.be/Y_nTA76dupM?si=0J3vXE21JKATnEqS

[celest thorn]

LEVEL 4???????

[cyan crown]

Yeah

And i got one tapped right after being level 4

[celest thorn]

Oh we are at the same point of the game

im slightly ahead

oh wait

its 2 days ago

[cyan crown]

Yeah but i already finished it bc of leaks i already know the ending 1 year ago

[celest thorn]

Bro is not parkouring

[celest thorn]

What???

[cyan crown]

I even predicted the ending and it was correct

[celest thorn]

I bet 100%

the guy is waltz

[cyan crown]

No

[celest thorn]

GOD

[cyan crown]

Want me to say who is it?

[celest thorn]

No

[cyan crown]

It doesnt matter tbh

[celest thorn]

Why the same fucking hairs

lol

[cyan crown]

But you will be so suprised

[celest thorn]

give them different hairs

as of rn

the game is boring as hell

its just loot, loot, weapon breaks

loot

loot

weapon breaks

no weapon

get fucked

[cyan crown]

real

[celest thorn]

i wanted an harder game but at the level of DL1

[cyan crown]

But when you know who is the beast you will be so suprised

[celest thorn]

not fucking the Normal mode is like doomed

[celest thorn]

Aiden's dad lol

[cyan crown]

Ok bro finish the game

Its me i'm the beast i unleashed it

[celest thorn]

this thing unleashes the beast every day

they are just pure anger

hope the game isn't that long

[cyan crown]

😾

[celest thorn]

and rn i have the spitter bender

because bro the animation are from the last airbender

how tf it was called

btw they didn't cook with soundtracks

sadly

[restive turret]

No eta right

[cyan crown]

I hate spitters man 🥀

[celest thorn]

GOD

[cyan crown]

I wish they got removed TODAYY

[celest thorn]

THIS SPITTER BENDER

the problem

in this game

everything is stronger than kyle

EVEN A NORMAL ZOMBIE

[cyan crown]

Real kyle got nerfed man

[celest thorn]

Got nerfed they made him aiden but even worse

[cyan crown]

[celest thorn]

atleast he doesn't get punched daily

[cyan crown]

He got punched literally in the intro of DLTB

[celest thorn]

yea

[cyan crown]

I think you saw him and spike

[celest thorn]

but that doesn't count

he couldn't do shit

he was strapped

lol

[cyan crown]

He was able to spam drop kick or use my 15900 damage weapons man

Stupid aiden babaiden

[celest thorn]

and btw idk but boulders and spits are like searching missles

they don't miss

if you don't do a specific move

[cyan crown]

Real

[celest thorn]

btw this game isn't hard

the problem its just unfair

because example i've played the hard difficulty of doom dark ages

and wasn't this brutal

[cyan crown]

Speaking of brutal have you tried hardest difficulty yet?

[celest thorn]

No???

[cyan crown]

I heard its actually harder

And hopefully techland does some sort of be the zombie gamemode since this map is kinda pretty sigma

[celest thorn]

I swear

im gonna crash out

[cyan crown]

Also if you noticed by default they're using tactical stamina

[celest thorn]

yes

btw

https://canary.discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1274618891703685151

[cyan crown]

I cant join i gtg go to uni in few minutes

[celest thorn]

how tf do you kill the chimera toxin

[cyan crown]

👽

[cyan crown]

Spam the crowbar man

i actually killed it with last hand of glova

Its a easter egg that i found while looking around in the map

[celest thorn]

What

[cyan crown]

https://youtu.be/mgnB77ESlmQ?si=5MLg0Xgr0cdfg3di

Minecraft ahh easter egg

[celest thorn]

I DID IT

Finally

no hit

No hit run in this game is impossible

[cyan crown]

I gtg rn see ya

[celest thorn]

Guys when its wipe day?

[restive turret]

every day

[celest thorn]

Tomorrow morning at 3 am?

[restive turret]

i wipe every day idk about u

[celest thorn]

You are a rust admin????

[novel barn]

someone know plugin that will disable overcharge if 079 will be last scp

nevermind

[celest thorn]

i don't wanna be the nerd who tells people shit but #plugins-discussion is for that

[restive turret]

He send it there too

[celest thorn]

yea i saw

[magic gate]

[celest thorn]

I do wonder something, im creating as suggested yesterday by "ThatGuy", to create a WaypointToy inside the transform of a player and then move that one, will not the other player move with that one too? like because i want to push a player and thats it lol without making them stutter

public sealed class WaypointStore : CustomDataStore<WaypointStore>
{
    /// <summary>
    /// The waypoint attached to a player.
    /// </summary>
    public readonly WaypointToy Waypoint;

    /// <inheritdoc />
    public WaypointStore(Player owner)
        : base(owner)
        => Waypoint = WaypointToy.Create(owner.GameObject!.transform);

    /// <inheritdoc />
    protected override void OnInstanceDestroyed()
    {
        Waypoint.Destroy();
    }
}

I love Datastores

[icy knoll]

im still waiting until we are able to manually distroy data store instances

also why are you using the type generic version? why not use the normal version?

[celest thorn]

idk i always saw it used this way

and i always used it this way

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

why do you destroy the waypoint manually if it's parented to the player though

[celest thorn]

public WaypointStore(Player owner)
        : base(owner)
    {
        Waypoint = WaypointToy.Create(owner.GameObject!.transform);
        owner.SendFakeSyncVar(Waypoint.Base.netId, typeof(AdminToys.WaypointToy), nameof(AdminToys.WaypointToy.NetworkPriority), 500000);
    }

Ig doing something like this works fine

I do wonder tho
"Patch the DistanceTo method and return some very small number if it's to the owner"
its impossible you don't know who is the current one asking for the pos

So i think the best one would be to just NetworkPriority?

[celest thorn]

if anyone has an idea for the patch or even axwabo idk

[upper vapor]

it's almost impossible but doable
patch this, set a static bool field and check that field in the SqrDistanceTo method
don't forget to set the flag to false after creating the relative position
this should™ work for movement, there's a bunch of other places you'd need to patch to cover everything (e.g. barcktracker, jailbird hitreg)

[celest thorn]

Ig its best

I don’t do it lol

[upper vapor]

probably yeah

[celest thorn]

So i will plead instead to create the push admin toy

[slate flume]

+1 @celest thorn same advice I got

[slate flume]

ADD TO MY LABAPI ISSUE

[celest thorn]

Sadly i wanted to push players

;(

[upper vapor]

thatguy wants to pull players

-# i think

[slate flume]

Wants the difference lol it's both movement

[upper vapor]

either way it's good for both

[slate flume]

Yeah

[celest thorn]

One wants to pull the other wants to push

[slate flume]

So?

[celest thorn]

I want to push people off ledges

He wants to save them

[upper vapor]

XDD

[slate flume]

You have it backwards

[upper vapor]

save them with a black hole

[slate flume]

^

Except it's dragging them to their doom

[celest thorn]

You know the dank mod from minecraft works with blackholes and stored stuff

[slate flume]

Pushing to a point = pulling to a point

[celest thorn]

So ig it works

[slate flume]

It's the same process

[celest thorn]

There’s nothing in this game that pushes you?

Like nothing?

Its impossible there’s nothing that pushes a player

[upper vapor]

i'm also waiting for the PositionDeltaMessage

[celest thorn]

You know what would be cool asf too

Rotation

Rotating the player

[upper vapor]

yeah that existed but they changed it

oh you mean

[celest thorn]

Mario galaxy would be possible

[upper vapor]

on the x and z axes

[celest thorn]

Yes

Imagine mario galaxy in sl

[slate flume]

DUUDE WHY DO YOU THINK PUSHING IS DIFFERENT FROM PULLING

[celest thorn]

ANYTHING

[slate flume]

WaypointToys 100% work for your purpose, they're just inconvenient

[slate flume]

[celest thorn]

I prefer not to patch 100000000000000

stuff

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/white-cat-eating-salad-meme-blonde-woman-crying-gif-26971383

[slate flume]

It's one function

[celest thorn]

But how do i know if its the same player

like

do you get what im saying

[upper vapor]

you set a static field

to true

[slate flume]

idk I haven't looked at it

[celest thorn]

what?

[upper vapor]

public static bool OverrideWaypointPriority

[slate flume]

Also, you're trying to push players from ledges, why not just use invisible primitives?

[upper vapor]

have you read what i sent?

[celest thorn]

no?

[slate flume]

Real asf

[celest thorn]

I mean a player pushes another player

[slate flume]

...

[slate flume]

Ohhh I seee

[upper vapor]

that would be a bit laggy

[upper vapor]

wait...

3114

am i cooking or am i cooked

[celest thorn]

what???

[slate flume]

I mean if you're trying to prevent a player from jumping, just block them from doing it with invisible primitives

[celest thorn]

3114 doesn't have a push

[slate flume]

Then you can do what Axwabo said or nothing

[upper vapor]

does it have a pull

[celest thorn]

But what i mean is

[slate flume]

It has strangle

[celest thorn]

how?

[hearty shard]

which pulls

[slate flume]

True but I don't know if it'll sync

And also

It prevents movement

[hearty shard]

well ya

[celest thorn]

I geniunly do not understand what he said

[slate flume]

3114 strangle moves people

[celest thorn]

No i mean for the SqrDistance

[slate flume]

Patch SqrDistanceTo to be a large number cause that's what is used to determine distance to a WaypointToy

But only for the players you don't want to move

[celest thorn]

but why a large number??

[slate flume]

Farther distance

[celest thorn]

Yea but how tf do i get if its the same player

like

thats my problem

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(WaypointBase), nameof(WaypointBase.SqrDistanceTo))]
public class WaypointOwnerPatch
{
    public bool Prefix(WaypointBase __instance, Vector3 pos, ref float __result)
    {
        if (__instance is not AdminToyWaypoint toy)
            return true;
        
        
    }
}

This is what i have

[upper vapor]

you make a static field
you set it to true before creating the relativeposition in the fpcmotor
set it to false after creating it
if it's true, override the priority

[celest thorn]

That wouldn't be for everyone then???

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

I mean i could save it in the datastore

but still

how tf do i get the player?

[upper vapor]

you set it to false

therefore

it will be false

[slate flume]

[celest thorn]

but what if someone moves at the same time???

like

[upper vapor]

how do you move at the same time in a single-threaded environment

[celest thorn]

idk

magic?

[slate flume]

You don't

[upper vapor]

you have the hub in the fpmm

so you should be able to figure it out

[slate flume]

Also question

SqrDistanceTo gives you the waypoint base

Why not like

Add a component to the waypointbase

[upper vapor]

noooooooo

bad

[slate flume]

Why

[upper vapor]

don't trygetcomponent

that'll nuke the performance

[slate flume]

True...

What about adding the player as a child to the waypoint toy?

Or vice-versa?

[upper vapor]

what

[slate flume]

You'd think there'd be some way to store the player in the WaypointBase

[upper vapor]

it's already parented to the player

[celest thorn]

https://sourceb.in/DpxtKMBYYD

[upper vapor]

but calling any unity method would be horrible

[celest thorn]

this is too massive

so im putting it here

Hope this is what i should've done

[upper vapor]

have you tried uploading the file

[celest thorn]

wdym?

[upper vapor]

instead of using some obscure-looking url

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/j1yzzza5.png

Here's a picture

[slate flume]

Save a dictionary of Players IDs and WaypointBases and check that?

[upper vapor]

bingo

[slate flume]

Yay!

[celest thorn]

Hope its visible

[upper vapor]

make it like

[celest thorn]

and readable

[upper vapor]

-1

i guess 0 works as well

[celest thorn]

why -1?

lol?

Now lets make the push function

[celest thorn]

Oh

How tf do i make the push function

do i make it a coroutine?

or what

Wait genius idea

i just add a Rigidbody

and make add force

Now tho how much does a player weight?

70kg like HL2?

[upper vapor]

probably

or a component

[celest thorn]

I could make it just a rigidbody ngl

[slate flume]

I like components

[slate flume]

Yeah but that's worse

[celest thorn]

why?

[slate flume]

Idk it feels worse

It feels like more work

[celest thorn]

its the same thing as the component

[celest thorn]

Its less work?

[slate flume]

No

You're saying to make a rigidbody and use the physics engine to create your movement path

[celest thorn]

yes???

[slate flume]

Why would you do that

[celest thorn]

i just need to throw a player

like a fucking ragdoll

when they get pushed

[slate flume]

Oh you want gravity and shit

[celest thorn]

i remember tho that rigidbodies fall through

so the waypoint will too

[slate flume]

Wait so you want to add a feature to your server that lets people push others as a special feature

Question

Does your server do combat

Like weapons and shit

[celest thorn]

Weapons

a weapon that pushes

and a way to push the players

[slate flume]

Because theoretically

What you could do

[celest thorn]

its more because i need it smooth

[slate flume]

Make the player invisible, spawn a ragdoll with force, and track the ragdoll from a third person perspective until it lands on the ground

[celest thorn]

so that the player can move still

[slate flume]

I think that would look pretty funny

[celest thorn]

Yea but its not functional really

ragdoll are 99% client side

[slate flume]

Why

Yeah but

[celest thorn]

so it would look strange

[slate flume]

If the initial spawning is synced then theoretically you should know where the ragdoll is going to be

The oddities happen from slight differences when landing no?

If the ragdoll lands you want the player to get up anyways

[celest thorn]

idk

its more work

than what its supposed to be

[slate flume]

I mean fair but it wouldn't require patching

You wouldn't have to make a rigidbody nor WaypointToy

[celest thorn]

Yea but i want the player to like try and fight it

[slate flume]

And it's less server load

[slate flume]

Gotcha

[celest thorn]

Honestly the server has so less stress load

the only thing is

i need to freeze it

but still be able to add force

[slate flume]

I'm curious how this would work if you're setting player position to a defined point anyways lol

[celest thorn]

Ig i can show it

[slate flume]

Why

[celest thorn]

So it doesn't fall

Wait

its in the player

[slate flume]

You want to push the player in a direction, but not use gravity?

Lmao

[celest thorn]

so it shouldn't

[slate flume]

What

[celest thorn]

No the thing is

that the object would fall into the void

forever

as soon as i spawn it

[slate flume]

You don't need the object when the player is on the ground

Destroy it when it reaches the end of the path

You don't need to freeze it

Lol

[celest thorn]

Keep it constant?

so i don't have problems?

[slate flume]

What?

What are you talking about

[celest thorn]

Like instead of spawning

and destroying

just keep it there

chilling

[slate flume]

Why would you ever do that

You're going to reuse the same WaypointToy every time a player pushes someone?

[celest thorn]

I don't have doors

nor anything

[slate flume]

So?

[celest thorn]

its for each player

and its being created in a datastore

[slate flume]

So instead of spawning a WaypointToy you're going to already have WaypointToys for every player and then reuse them for player pushing

So

Why not just teleport the WaypointToy away lmao

[celest thorn]

thats the plan

the push

[slate flume]

Reaches the end if it's path, don't freeze it, teleport it away

[celest thorn]

is going to move the waypoint

and so the player

[celest thorn]

End of the path?????

[slate flume]

Yes

[celest thorn]

wdym?

like the player can always be pushed

why should it end the path

just make it chill in the transform

[restive turret]

end my life instead

[celest thorn]

End mine too

[slate flume]

So you're going to keep the WaypointToy on a player the whole time?

[celest thorn]

yes?

[slate flume]

Even when they're not being pushed?

[celest thorn]

Yes?

because i will have stuff that will push them

like balls

etc...

so

[slate flume]

I'm not sure if that's going to work well given the nature of WaypointToys

But lmk how it goes

[celest thorn]

testing it rn

i hope it works

I THINK 10 WASN'T A GREAT IDEA

[slate flume]

Lmao

[celest thorn]

How heavy is a fucking player

[slate flume]

What did you do

[celest thorn]

like how much compared to your mother

[slate flume]

Idk log it

[celest thorn]

thats it

it made my fly away

Oh wait its constant force

ig?

my game crashed

made the player mass more

ig it will work

🙏

[slate flume]

It shouldn't be afaik

[celest thorn]

player is now has much as gordon freeman weight

70kg

[slate flume]

Yeah that's unity standard

Iirc

[celest thorn]

Thats valve standard too

[slate flume]

Good for them

[celest thorn]

ig i broke the barrier

[slate flume]

Did you think the player wasn't going to be 70kg?

That's wild

[celest thorn]

-111, -2b, 72

ig

thats alot

[slate flume]

I told you that this was a weird way to do things

[celest thorn]

Nah i broke the barrier but crazy

IM GETTING PUSHED

EVERY SECOND

[upper vapor]

what

[celest thorn]

Im going to crash the server

[upper vapor]

-111 kilograms?

[celest thorn]

No my position was -111, -2 billions, 72

I swear

how tf do i fix it

[upper vapor]

UUHHHHHH

[celest thorn]

lol

love pushing the player to the float.MaxValue

Wait what happens if i do that

do i get a secret message from hubert?

btw i have a position everywhere in the server so the toy is working fine

the problem is as soon as i push

[upper vapor]

how do you push it

oh i think i know the problem

maybe don't parent it to the player

it's gonna be chaotic to implement but

you have to somehow put the waypoint away i guess

[celest thorn]

public sealed class WaypointStore : CustomDataStore<WaypointStore>
{
    /// <summary>
    /// The waypoint attached to a player.
    /// </summary>
    public readonly WaypointToy Waypoint;

    /// <summary>
    /// The Rigidbody of the Waypoint.
    /// </summary>
    public readonly Rigidbody Rigidbody;

    /// <inheritdoc />
    public WaypointStore(Player owner)
        : base(owner)
    {
        Waypoint = WaypointToy.Create(owner.GameObject!.transform);
        Rigidbody = Waypoint.GameObject.AddComponent<Rigidbody>();
        Rigidbody.mass = 70;
        owner.SendFakeSyncVar(Waypoint.Base.netId, typeof(AdminToys.WaypointToy), nameof(AdminToys.WaypointToy.NetworkPriority), 500000);
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// Push player.
    /// </summary>
    /// <param name="force">Force to apply.</param>
    public void Push(float force = 10)
    {
        Vector3 punchDir = -Rigidbody.transform.forward;
        Rigidbody.AddForce(punchDir * force, ForceMode.Impulse);
    }
}

[celest thorn]

i can just make it follow

with a component

[upper vapor]

yeah but then the waypoint follows the player and the player follows the waypoint

[celest thorn]

forgot that the mode was ForceMode.Impulse

any idea?

like i could make them small

like 0.000000000000001f

[upper vapor]

i'm not really sure if that'll work

[celest thorn]

what if

i make the player a Joint

[upper vapor]

[slate flume]

See @celest thorn this is exactly what I was talking about

[celest thorn]

I found a possible solution

[slate flume]

.

[celest thorn]

Let me cook

[slate flume]

Is the solution to move the WaypointToy away instead of keep it on the player or is it making it so they don't apply to the exception for SqrDistanceTo while they're not being pushed

[celest thorn]

not any of those

[slate flume]

What's your solution

[celest thorn]

joints

ig i will do a component that moves it away

because i don't have a solution

[slate flume]

I love being right all the time

Makes me feel smart

[celest thorn]

Ok ;(

i just wanted to make it good

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man2-spider-man-tobey-maguire-hot-dog-munch-gif-26416768

[worn gull]

The spawned primitives is in which layer?

[slate flume]

One of the layers prob

[celest thorn]

Nope

your solution doesn't work

public void Push(float force = 10)
{
Waypoint.Position -= new Vector3(10, 0, 0);
}

Pushed me into 2b again

[upper vapor]

when will you be left

[upper vapor]

uhhhhhh i think someone asked this before, lemme check

[celest thorn]

you know what

[worn gull]

it could be me hold up XDDD
I'm asking because I want to change RoomUtils.RoomDetectionMask to ignore the primitives

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-idk-dexter-innocent-gif-10412116

[celest thorn]

FUCK the smooth

WE TELEPORT

[slate flume]

My solution?

What about it

[upper vapor]

i'm guessing they're on the default layer

but you can change it on prims

[celest thorn]

.

[upper vapor]

-# might have consequences

[slate flume]

That's not my solution lmao

[celest thorn]

so whats yours?

[slate flume]

My solution is to spawn a WaypointToy when you need it, use it, then despawn it
If your problem is where the position is, maybe don't parent it and maybe set it to a position you actually want

That's what I do

[slate flume]

I know spawning/despawning WaypointToys uses network messages but whatever

I'm willing to take the hit until NW gets their shit together

And my performance impact is negligible

As with most things like this

But maybe it won't be for you depending on your system and hardware

[slate flume]

And I know this works because again

I haven't tried it with SqrDistanceTo patches yet because I only learned about it a couple weeks ago and I haven't had access to my home computer

[celest thorn]

    public void Push(float force = 10)
    {
        Waypoint = WaypointToy.Create();
        Owner.SendFakeSyncVar(Waypoint.Base.netId, typeof(AdminToys.WaypointToy), nameof(AdminToys.WaypointToy.NetworkPriority), 500000);
        Waypoint.Position -= new Vector3(10, 0, 0);

        Waypoint.Destroy();
    }

So i should do something like this?

But the problem now is the patch doesn't make difference

between one and another

[slate flume]

idk man I don't use SqrDistanceTo patching yet

[celest thorn]

So what you do?

[slate flume]

I also use a component to move the WaypointToy dynamically along a path I choose rather than moving it far away because at far enough distances it doesn't work

[slate flume]

Spawn a WaypointToy on a player and move it

That's it

[restive turret]

Me when my square is in a distance

[celest thorn]

no like priority?

[slate flume]

FACTS

[slate flume]

I don't because I only learned about it a couple weeks ago

[upper vapor]

have you tried without messing with priority and making the bounds very small

[restive turret]

Also wtf is a waypoint priority

[celest thorn]

no?

I asked here

[upper vapor]

big priority = use that if two overlap

[restive turret]

Ah

[upper vapor]

uh

i might have missed that

[restive turret]

Missed deez

[celest thorn]

    /// <summary>
    /// Push player.
    /// </summary>
    /// <param name="force">Force to push.</param>
    public void Push(float force = 10)
    {
        Waypoint = WaypointToy.Create(Owner.Position);
        Waypoint.BoundsSize = new Vector3(0.0001f, 0.0001f, 0.0001f);
        Waypoint.Position -= new Vector3(10, 0, 0);
        Waypoint.Destroy();
    }

So you are telling me this should work?

without patch obv

[upper vapor]

maybe that's a little bit too tiny

did you just

[celest thorn]

0.1

[upper vapor]

destroy the waypoint immediately

[icy knoll]

can you not just move the player 😭

[upper vapor]

no

[icy knoll]

damn

[celest thorn]

IT LOOKS ASS

[upper vapor]

not smooth

it's not a criminal

[celest thorn]

Im just testing 😭

[upper vapor]

bruh how do you expect a nonexistent waypoint to move the player

[celest thorn]

1f

1 second of delay

for the destroy

[upper vapor]

okay

fine

[celest thorn]

Anyone who gets inside

nw

please add this

like the begging here is crazy

[slate flume]

Bro I've been telling you to check my LabAPI issue and endorse it

[celest thorn]

send it

[grand flower]

no destroy waypoints

they're the devil

[celest thorn]

I snap

like

i teleport

and teleport back

am i going to get the AC angry

[restive turret]

In the beninging

[slate flume]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/259

[restive turret]

Add force to player rigidbody

Force then to

[celest thorn]

done

[slate flume]

HELL YES

[celest thorn]

but yea your idea neither is working

[slate flume]

PLEASE NW 😭😭

[slate flume]

See I know my idea works because it's what I use

[celest thorn]

can you vc?

i will show it to you now

ol

it doesn't

[slate flume]

No I'm in Germany rn lmao

[celest thorn]

let me take a video

[restive turret]

Lel

[slate flume]

Still on vacation

[restive turret]

When that ends

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/l0936e3d.mp4

done

[slate flume]

Are you destroying the WaypointToy right away

Also why are you moving it so far

[celest thorn]

1f

[slate flume]

Move it smoothly

[celest thorn]

    /// <summary>
    /// Push player.
    /// </summary>
    /// <param name="force">Force to push.</param>
    public void Push(float force = 10)
    {
        Waypoint = WaypointToy.Create(Owner.Position);
        Waypoint.BoundsSize = new Vector3(0.1f, 0.1f, 0.1f);
        Waypoint.Position -= new Vector3(10, 0, 0);

        Timing.CallDelayed(1f, () =>
        {
            Waypoint.Destroy();
        });
    }

just testing

[slate flume]

Also add movement smoothing to the WaypointToy

[restive turret]

+0.1f since destroy only destroy 0.1 late

[slate flume]

Move it like 1u

And add movement smoothing

[restive turret]

1ulong

[slate flume]

Or like
Even 0.1

Does ValidateReceive check if a player is muted?

Cause it appears like it doesn't

If that's accurate, how do I check a player mute

[hearty shard]

evil slime boy

[slate flume]

I'll root around in the code later if no one knows right away I just figured I'd ask cause I have baseline zero knowledge and only my laptop to work with

[restive turret]

muhahahaha

[celest thorn]

GOD ITS PERFECT

Love it

what i wanted in life

[storm bridge]

Hi nerds how is it?

[celest thorn]

@slate flume I will give you a kiss

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

Saved an idea

Now its time to make it easier for other devs

that aren't me (i will still dev but in case maro hires a new guy)

[upper vapor]

interesting

[storm bridge]

गाय?🤨

[restive turret]

he

[celest thorn]

what?

[storm bridge]

That means

Gay

[celest thorn]

crazy

[slate flume]

At least take me out to dinner first :p

[celest thorn]

im poorer than you

bro

i ate a sandwhich today

[slate flume]

Lmao maybe true

[celest thorn]

and im saving lol

[slate flume]

Same

I have I think

4/5 figure net worth

I have an education fund I never used cause I'm not planning on college

[upper vapor]

you like kissing trans girls, don't you

[celest thorn]

this is crazy

[slate flume]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/119
This was marked as completed

How was this completed

[celest thorn]

upcoming

oh wait

they planned it to add it to the future

probably

[slate flume]

Fml

[upper vapor]

yea

they'll work on it

[slate flume]

Why not just

Give us the ability to see client mutes

?

[upper vapor]

privacy concerns ig

[slate flume]

How is this a privacy concern

[upper vapor]

you'd know if player A hates player B

[restive turret]

what if i hate every player? jk

[upper vapor]

also it's kinda unnecessary

[upper vapor]

yes i hate me too

[upper vapor]

at jesusqc

[hearty shard]

it wasnt

its added to internal docs of ideas

or smth

[slate flume]

Kind of unnecessary?

We have the ability to reroute voice messages

Would it not be good to be able to respect client mutes?

[hearty shard]

tbf the only thing needed to do is w speakers

which is why my suggestion is what it is

[slate flume]

Or if you reroute messages through dummies

Or through other players

My point is that you could theoretically set up a system that bypasses any and all client mutes

And some legit systems accidentally have this problem

Which sounds like a big issue to me

I thought it would've been handled in ValidateReceive but apparently not

[upper vapor]

true

[slate flume]

If they gave us permission to view client mutes they could add a clause to the new CSG that tells servers they can't bypass client mutes

[worn gull]

Does anybody has a fix for this or I need to wait? https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/135

[upper vapor]

set their layer to a different layer

worth a shot ig

[worn gull]

yeah

Let me try it

[restive turret]

Layer -1

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

Layer 40

[true cedar]

EVE

[hearty shard]

hi

[unique crane]

Marked issues by Jesus are marked as "todo"

[celest thorn]

why not leaving them and assign a todo

[slate flume]

Does marked in this instance mean him completing the issue on GitHub? Or does it mean he's actually completed it?

[celest thorn]

Anyone knows if a tag exist that you can make a background?

[upper vapor]

wha

[upper vapor]

the former option

[celest thorn]

Like you can do a gray background and not mark

[upper vapor]

well

[celest thorn]

because i wanna do like a big gray box

[upper vapor]

not really

hold on

you can use homoglyph attacks to render characters above the mark

[celest thorn]

Wouldn't the difference be visible?

[upper vapor]

it is limited

some chars look weird

https://www.irongeek.com/homoglyph-attack-generator.php

gotta find the usable homoglyph per char