plugins-dev-chat

[slate flume]

Ye

[upper vapor]

Weird

[slate flume]

I wanna figure this out so I don't have to disable implicit references

[upper vapor]

Why not disable them

[slate flume]

Because I like having it automatically resolve my dependencies

[upper vapor]

You can just add them from the game files though

[slate flume]

It implicitly references my nuget packages

Which aren't in the game files

[upper vapor]

That

NuGet isn't affected by this

It's just the base .NET references that get removed

[slate flume]

Oh

Fair enough

[slate flume]

I did this and it keeps pulling the same fucking shit

It's implicitly installing a nuget package
Microsoft.NETFramework.ReferenceAssemblies.net48

[upper vapor]

What

[slate flume]

This is pissing me off

The nuget package is where it's getting mscorlib

How do I tell it to stop fucking installing this nuget package

Why is it doing this in the first place

[celest thorn]

Nice to know because i wanna test performance

[slate flume]

This is the dumbest shit

[upper vapor]

It's net48 not net4.8

[celest thorn]

And i don’t have 30 peoe

[slate flume]

net4.8 is verbatim what I have in my other project

Doing net48 causes rider to bitch at me

[upper vapor]

Why

[slate flume]

Idk

[upper vapor]

What does it do

[slate flume]

I'll get back on my computer and show you in a sec

[celest thorn]

Btw hello and gm to everyone

And gn for the american

[slate flume]

Which one

[celest thorn]

The side that faces the pacific infront of europe

and center

[slate flume]

What are you on about

[celest thorn]

I just woke up its enough if i understand my existence

[slate flume]

You say "gn for the american" meaning you're saying gn to a person

I ask you Which one as in which person

And you start going on about some random bullshit

[slate flume]

Well apparently it stopped but changing that changed literally nothing

It's still installing the bum ass nuget package

And it's still targetting .net 4.8

Literally not a thing changed

[upper vapor]

Any .props or .targets files in the project directory?

[slate flume]

No

I copied the project 1:1 from my computer to my laptop

[upper vapor]

What if you also add <NoStdLib>true

Dunno about the capitalization

[slate flume]

Same shit

[upper vapor]

What if you remove implicit trains

Using

[slate flume]

How does one go about that

[upper vapor]

ImplicitUsings

Remove that line

[slate flume]

Nope

Same problem

[upper vapor]

run dotnet remove package Microsoft.NETFramework.ReferenceAssemblies.net48

also

you need to specify the path to the mscorlib dll (hintpath)

or copy my .targets file

[celest thorn]

How can i use remote admin thingy like at everyone, at me etc... or even select multiple targets?

[upper vapor]

2.3.4.5.6

[slate flume]

All I care about in this moment is getting rid of this fucking nuget package bullshit

No other imports are going to matter until it stops implicitly installing this shit

It happens anytime I target .net framework 4.8 on my laptop

[upper vapor]

This is impossible

[slate flume]

Wdym

[upper vapor]

Run dotnet build -v:diag > log.txt

To log all build output

[slate flume]

Could not execute because the specified command or file was not found.

[upper vapor]

What

Do you have. NET sdk 9

[slate flume]

I did but my old computer was on 8.0 and I was trying to see if that was the difference

[upper vapor]

Or 8

[slate flume]

I have 8.0

.something

[upper vapor]

Try the latest

[slate flume]

Yeah it worked

What did you want me to look for

I don't really think this is gonna do anything

[slate flume]

I still don't get why you think this is impossible

I mean it makes a lot of sense to me

A project targets .net 4.8, needs dependencies, so it installs the dependencies through an implicit nuget package

And I mean

It obviously is possible considering I'm currently experiencing it

[upper vapor]

It shouldn't use a nuget package

[slate flume]

That's what I'm saying

Idk why it does

[celest thorn]

        public static CoroutineHandle HandleUpdate;
        private void Start() 
        {
            if (!HandleUpdate.IsRunning)
            {
                HandleUpdate = Timing.RunCoroutine(Updater());
            }
        }

        public IEnumerator<float> Updater()
        {
            while (List.Count > 0)
            {
                foreach (SpawnableInfo spawnableInfo in List)
                {
                    spawnableInfo.SendUpdate(spawnableInfo.type);   
                }
                
                yield return Timing.WaitForSeconds(0.1f);
            }

            Timing.KillCoroutines(HandleUpdate);
        }
        
        public void SendUpdate(Type type)
        {
            if (ClientSide == null || toUpdate == null)
                return;

            var players = Observers;

            if (!players.Any())
                return;
            
            List<(string propretyName, object value)> Update = new();

            UpdateClient(Update);
            
            foreach (Player player in players)
            {
                if (Vector3.Distance(player.Position, Position) >= DistanceCulling)
                    continue;

                //send
            }
        }

Am i doing anything wrong? because i see that this gets so much messie as soon as more player are online with random from 0.03 to max 3.7ms

[slate flume]

Oh wow I fixed it and it was really fucking obvious

I installed these shits

[celest thorn]

lol

[upper vapor]

Yeah um

You might have needed those

[slate flume]

.NET Framework 4.8 Dev Pack

[upper vapor]

Ancient technology

[slate flume]

Probably important for a dev trying to do .NET Framework 4.8 stuff

[celest thorn]

Im gonna go crazy lol, its 3ms alot?

in 3k execution lol its a coroutine

[upper vapor]

Honestly
If SL is targeting .NET Standard 2.1
Why is LabApi on framework 4.8

[slate flume]

I just try not to question these things

[upper vapor]

For one frame, yes

[hearty shard]

It targets 4.8 afaik

[slate flume]

My bozo moment was that I had 4.8.1 installed and not 4.8

[celest thorn]

average is 0.03 and max is 3.7

[upper vapor]

BRU

[hearty shard]

They get extra feature from mscorlib.dll (just reference this)

[upper vapor]

Then how do we have spans
You can choose between 4.8 and net standard
Clearly, SL is on net standard

[slate flume]

I had 8.0 and 9.0 SDKs and the 4.8.1 dev pack but not the 4.8

[hearty shard]

mscorlib.dll

[upper vapor]

Yeah

But there's System.Memory with TypeForwardedTo on all types

[slate flume]

I'm my own worst nightmare

[hearty shard]

My plugin uses 4.8 but that reference adds spans etc afaik

[upper vapor]

And every .net standard 2.1 stuff

[upper vapor]

Yeah

[hearty shard]

Ya

[upper vapor]

If we targeted 2.1

[hearty shard]

Nw still made sl target 4.8 afaik

[upper vapor]

We wouldn't need.to deal with this

[hearty shard]

Perhaps

[upper vapor]

Back in the day ofc

[hearty shard]

However

Nuh uh

[slate flume]

Why don't we just use C++

[hearty shard]

Guh

[worthy rune]

sl is definitely using the 4.8 compatibility api i checked

[hearty shard]

Do yk why?

[upper vapor]

Jesus said "nuget plugins are weird, don't use DisableImplicitFrameworkReferences"

Wouldn't be the issue with .net standard

[upper vapor]

Sobbing

[worthy rune]

when you target 2.1 or 4.8 using unitys references, you are not really using the traditional apis you would find in 4.8/2.1 but rather the version unity made with those target names. there isnt much info about it tbh so it can be very confusing

[slate flume]

When are you guys gonna remake SL in Unreal?

[worthy rune]

lol

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/bomb-bombfail-kaboom-gif-18077012

[worthy rune]

[worthy rune]

idk why sl targets 4.8, it could be that we need something in 4.8 thats not in 2.1(although i doubt it)

[slate flume]

Why everything works so much better when you having the FUCKING DEPENDENCIES INSTALLED

I'm sobbing rn

[worthy rune]

4.8 does have the advantage that you can target 2.1 in your plugins and it will work, it wouldnt work the other way around. e.g. if sl targets 2.1 then 4.8 plugins are not supported

[slate flume]

Spent like 3 hours of my life on ts

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/soda-gif-8026056502744469335

[slate flume]

This guy gets it

[celest thorn]

Soda PLugin is amazing

[slate flume]

Well I make it all myself like a cool kid

[celest thorn]

im loosing my mind on how to create a tree rn

lol

[slate flume]

Trees are fun!

[slate flume]

Well actually

[celest thorn]

not when its taller as a fucking planet

[slate flume]

Are we talking about the 3d model tree or the programming tree

[celest thorn]

Im talking about Primitive Tree

[slate flume]

Ooof yeah

[celest thorn]

THIS thing

[slate flume]

Like some yggdrasil type shit

[celest thorn]

the guys at nintendo just plastered a 2D texture and work is done

[slate flume]

That's tuff

[celest thorn]

but im not able to do that

[slate flume]

🗣️

[celest thorn]

So 3D is it

i mean you cant go near it

in 90% of the game

[slate flume]

Just use a big text toy and rotate it with the player

[celest thorn]

only inside

[slate flume]

Like doom

[celest thorn]

the problem is that Looks ass

you don't understand 3D value and other stuff

[slate flume]

It doesn't look like ass, it's a stylistic choice 😎

Art is in the eye of the beholder my friend

[celest thorn]

And i did other maps

which i made giant tree

the problem this one is massive

really massive

atleast i don't need to do the bottom section

because its in a void

but the upper part is harder

[slate flume]

Real

[celest thorn]

how do i make a cool tree in sl ;(

ngl this is not my fault but nw no mesh toy ;(

[slate flume]

Texture toy would be peak

[celest thorn]

FR if they add something like that decals would be possible

I see that most of the rappresentation of the tree is just not really visible

[slate flume]

You know I've been thinking
I want to do pathfinding but I don't want to download and learn Unity
What if instead of making nav meshes I just do a janky workaround

[celest thorn]

because of clouds and effects

[celest thorn]

I did pathfind

but its hard asf

and HCZ doesn't work

[slate flume]

You did nav meshes?

[celest thorn]

Yes

[slate flume]

Yeah see I don't wanna learn unity

[celest thorn]

I mean

the tree is a tree

i see so many different stuff

even in cutscene it changes lol

[north dust]

How is direction control implemented? That's so cooool

[celest thorn]

SSSS

just a normal car module

use SSSS to detect key

[north dust]

🫡

I thought there might be a way to read the player's movement direction.

ssss to detect key nice

[celest thorn]

yea i did the same thing

just apply the effect that doesn't let you move

and with heavy footed no jump

255

[celest thorn]

and slowness 100

[north dust]

Then detect the player's position?

[celest thorn]

No just parse the SSSS keybinds and if its pressing

thats it

its just a classic movement stuff

but just with extra steps

[north dust]

[upper vapor]

Capsules that overlap

[celest thorn]

i was thinking

because in there 100% i will hide a reference

but

honestly i might do a simple easter egg

and the tree

[slate flume]

Enstrangled:

[celest thorn]

slowness works the same lol

[slate flume]

Enstrangled is generally safer

[celest thorn]

yea

[slate flume]

[celest thorn]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.2/Documentation/Manual/tree-FirstTree.html

will this work?

[upper vapor]

Erm actually it's Ensnared

Not (en)strangled 😭

[upper vapor]

Get "inspired" by that code (if you can find it)

Or browse the asset store and get inspired by a Unity package

[celest thorn]

I mean

i need to manually do that

[upper vapor]

Yeah but you'd have something to base it off of

[celest thorn]

I have already something

[celest thorn]

This, which is in the artbook of the game

and a low poly screenshot from the ingame because yes, its a fucking 2D model which is smart

[upper vapor]

Ask gippity to generate the schematic

[celest thorn]

lol

ngl ai maps

i know someone in minecraft did MCP with ai

to build

[celest thorn]

btw axwabo something i do wonder

you know if there's like any tool

like the one in blender for making curves?

because i wanted to use it to try and make an addon for meow that makes curves for you

[upper vapor]

Uh oh

You gotta do some spine nawh for that

Zpline

Spline math

[celest thorn]

I mean rappresentation is possible on the editor?

[upper vapor]

What representation

Unity has a method to visualize curves

In EditorUtility I think

[celest thorn]

Crazy

thats honestly cool asf

[upper vapor]

I wanna make a proper spline editor for unity, like general purpose

But I ain't dealing with the asset store

[celest thorn]

lol

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/czkakt46.png

The big void

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/0mgnruvk.png

This is with a player you can see it

thats how massive the tree is

its a 500x500 map

[upper vapor]

Radix tree

[celest thorn]

nah this tree is called "World Tree"

Spoiler if anyone wants to play that game:
||The tree is a massive cover up with giant steels pillars and thing just techy asf, and there's a MASSIVE orbital base on top of it||

[celest thorn]

oh thats a thing for rappresenting space

ngl map are massive and i know that

[icy knoll]

mrow

[celest thorn]

hello

[upper vapor]

Try not to meow challenge (impossible)

[celest thorn]

fr

crazy challenge

[icy knoll]

for me

impossible

[celest thorn]

impossible for me because i need to say the name of my plugins lol

[icy knoll]

well that's ur fault

my issue is that im a catgirl :3

well

it's no issue

:3

[celest thorn]

i mean

me and maro agreed with the name lol

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/dyde975f.png

from meow editor to meow general being like a utility stamp on the server

if it has meow don't touch it

rule

[royal mica]

You should ask NW so you can set the server which is running any Meow utility to be Meowdded

[celest thorn]

i don't think they would ever do that

[royal mica]

time to introduce server tags

would be actually cool for quick sorting

[celest thorn]

but its funny how the name born because it was just me going crazy lol and just the first thing i saw was my dog, that sometimes behaves like a cat

so i thought Meow

lol

[royal mica]

RP, Minigame, Vanilla, Custom SCPs, Custom Items, etc

[celest thorn]

MeowRP

MeowMinigames

MeowVanilla

MeowSCPs

MeowItems

MeowExistence

[royal mica]

MeowMeow

[celest thorn]

That should've been the debugger name

btw

[royal mica]

Never too late to rename

[celest thorn]

then i decided name it MeowDebugger

[royal mica]

MeowDemicer

[celest thorn]

Imagine you search up plugins

and you see MeowMeow

like MeowDebugger was more like you know what it does

its just there for a temp time

i do wonder how other server name their own plugins

i know some people name them ServerName + PluginName

[royal mica]

Our monoplugin was just simply MemePlugin both SL and Mc lol

[celest thorn]

Mono?

monopoly?

[royal mica]

Single DLL doing a lot of shit

[celest thorn]

oh

[royal mica]

that should have been separate plugins from the start

cause now I need to implement cross plugin stuff

[celest thorn]

Nah in the past i named them like server name

[celest thorn]

ez

but no i do have some utilities

like meow

[upper vapor]

😭😭

[celest thorn]

but then i build everything from scratch

everytime

[royal mica]

Yeah, I want to implement everything myself from 0 as well, cause that way if something is broken, I'm at fault and no need to wait for fix

This is how there are 17 competiting standards

[celest thorn]

im the only dev so everything is my fault

lol

the only cases is when we are talking about schematics or someone not reading instructions

[royal mica]

I love moments where I just see the console go apeshit with disconnects cause I touched a command with wrong params

and everyone is disconnected cause of it. oops

[celest thorn]

i love the disconnect messages from Cedmod

[slate flume]

Whoops

[celest thorn]

nah axwabo i just found a video of a kid talking about trains and explaning the lore of a train track

im not even fucking kidding

[upper vapor]

not a rare occurrence

[celest thorn]

but ON INSTAGRAm REELS

like bro i wanna watch fucking memes not explaning the history a of a train track

but i found out that fucking eu spends alot of money for them

[upper vapor]

then scroll

[celest thorn]

so i might become an engineer for train tracks for no reason

[upper vapor]

lmao

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/bam2qfjj.png

this is the next video

lol

[slate flume]

Oh 100%

The EU market is pretty dominated by (iirc) Austrian rail companies, and it's not cheap

I mean it's a multi-billion dollar industry

[celest thorn]

ngl being a dev

might not be my call

[slate flume]

How so

[celest thorn]

ig rails sound more fun

for no reason

obv

[upper vapor]

uuuhhh

Stadler says hi

[celest thorn]

i was always a train entusiast

[upper vapor]

(not talking about tracks)

[celest thorn]

(idk what the fuck a train is)

[upper vapor]

i bet you've never even seen one

[celest thorn]

i did and in hungary

[upper vapor]

deutsche bahn

[celest thorn]

for the first time

because you know i live in the fucking middle of nowhere and the only metro station is small asf

[upper vapor]

you have a metro station? 😭

[slate flume]

I mean pretty much every country has its own company for their infrastructure, i was just thinking about ÖBB and WESTbahn among others

[celest thorn]

just one and its not even near me

this is how big it is

[upper vapor]

yeah that's true

[icy knoll]

is there currently a way to tell which faction is gunna spawn next without me having to loop through all the timers to find out which is not paused and which has the lowest time?

[celest thorn]

Selecting Team

event

[icy knoll]

i didnt ask for an event

?

😭

[slate flume]

I actually am planning to get a job in the rail industry

I was able to tour some companies and their manufacturing plants

[celest thorn]

WaveManager._nextWave

[icy knoll]

thank chu :3

[celest thorn]

chu?

idk

[icy knoll]

another way of saying you

smh

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[celest thorn]

i didn't know

[upper vapor]

learn english

[celest thorn]

I've NEVER read in my life chu

has a word

[icy knoll]

skill issue :3

[celest thorn]

thank you

:3

[upper vapor]

TIL that visual studio doesn't have a quick action to change the variable's type if there's a mismatch

-# var users were never affected

[celest thorn]

i just found north korean propaganda

[upper vapor]

are you gonna work at Amtrak 😭
please don't tell me

[celest thorn]

wtf

[celest thorn]

bro knows everything

[upper vapor]

i've heard not one bad thing about american rail

there's much much room for improvement

ThatGuy will revolutionalize the industry

[celest thorn]

crazy

imagine we see like in a cover

"How you got the ideas for revolutionize the Train Industry?"
"Got the idea from a random discord server from a game"

[upper vapor]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

@slate flume

do it NOW

meanwhile can you get hungary's transport minister to move out of the way :333333

[celest thorn]

italian one too

please

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

less transpor minister

because stupid

[upper vapor]

"let's [politics talk]"
-# -minister of transport

[worn gull]

MÁV is the best wdym XD

[upper vapor]

i'm not gonna blame MÁV

i'm gonna blame lábszár

(shin)

[royal mica]

marha lábszár prökölt mmmmmmm

[upper vapor]

xdd

macskás fadísz
(tree decoration resembling a cat)

[restive turret]

how can i make the primitive glow

[worthy rune]

set the color to a high value and make it transparent e.g. 50, 50, 50, 0.9f. primitive has to be lit by something to glow, so it wont work in the void without a light

[restive turret]

lel

D

[icy knoll]

slejm can we not add another rail gun to sl smh

[restive turret]

too late

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472407264700006420/1324547613160243220/ezgif.com-speed.gif

[royal mica]

wtf is that

[solid mica]

4-X Particle Hadron Collider

[plain gazelle]

So, scaling while culled desyncs the players scale, apparently because they get set to spectator while culled.

Would fake role syncing them to their human role just before setting their scale work around this?

[worthy rune]

i think theres an event base game that get called when fake syncing occurs(which you could use to work around this). only issue is, is that idk if it actually works

FpcServerPositionDistributor.RoleSyncEvent

[teal junco]

ive never collabed on a coding project. I wonder if its more frustrating or relieving. and i wonder, if i am frustrated with the other devs, if the other devs are equally frustrated with me

biggest thing i did was last year when i collaborated on a js game for a school project

but i handled the logic and my friend mostly did art

[celest thorn]

i worked a few times with other devs, and they were so slow that i got irritated and just did it myself

[celest thorn]

IS THIS PRIMITIVE?

[teal junco]

motivation difference possibly

I've been on coding teams of some servers and I am never quite as productive as when I'm making the plugins for my own server

[celest thorn]

everytime i did a project everyone was slow and at the end i was the only one working on it

i work at a really fast pace

maro says i work at a speed of a dev team

of 5 people

but idk

[teal junco]

Idk how fast you work, I really cant say

[celest thorn]

obv

[teal junco]

some people are just faster

some people are just slower

[celest thorn]

in a day i can get 10 or more things done

like entire maps and a plugin

[teal junco]

Yeah you are overproductive and superhuman. If you ever work with another dev you should cut them slack

[celest thorn]

No breaks, no nothing

breaks are for the weak

[teal junco]

do you think it's bad practice to make a plugin for a singular purpose

[celest thorn]

idk

depends

if im making a tourney i do make it for a singular reason

[teal junco]

i made a plugin yesterday that detects when a player enters and leaves surface and then runs a command

literally all it does

[celest thorn]

I mean why even doing it?

if you need it for a project just integrate to that one

[teal junco]

Custom surface ambience.

[teal junco]

i dont have a fitting plugin

[celest thorn]

then make a plugin for that purpouse

ig

[restive turret]

No that the disruptor effect

[celest thorn]

fr???

its that cool?

[teal junco]

every original plugin in my server is separated into their purposes

[restive turret]

I constantly "draw" the hitreg prefab thing

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/yjjjvgxt.png

This is atoh

lol

[teal junco]

my car plugin, my pickup plugin, compound V, pissing, all different plugins. i simply think its a bit cleaner & organized

[celest thorn]

All of the stuff with Meow are just lib

and Atoh and NAudioLib

[celest thorn]

obv i do the same all tourneys and project have their reason but some stuff is connected

[teal junco]

I will need to update my personal lib from exiled to labapi though

[celest thorn]

MeowEditor is just a bridge for schematics in general and editor functions

[teal junco]

one day i think i just need to sit down and update all my plugins to labapi

[restive turret]

Same

[celest thorn]

i have all of my plugins done on labapi

atoh took me 2 hours

[teal junco]

i once had a "ultimate plugin" and it very quickly became unmanagable

[celest thorn]

Ngl i love configs and making thing scalable

thats something i always do

[upper vapor]

Imagine if they included the scale data in the initial spawn data

[restive turret]

And gravity

[celest thorn]

Inventory, health current nano position

max health

[teal junco]

oh i just realised i only have a few exiled plugins installed and one of them i already ported to LabApi

[celest thorn]

you wanna know my biggest secret

i don't use exiled anymore

:3

[teal junco]

not secret

[teal junco]

Unfortunately one of them is a spaghetti code plugin

[restive turret]

I usually write the core or do some fixing/formatting edit

[celest thorn]

when i started working on Aftermath specifically for lars, the first thing i did was setting up EVERYTHING, like the other devs didn't even setup basics and complained for simple stuff

instead i just set up the entire module system and db basics

and then started working for single modules

[teal junco]

MODULES

fuck that was what i shouldve been doing

[celest thorn]

yea

[teal junco]

this dude sent me code for a module system i just never got to adding it to my server lol

[restive turret]

Currently i making the secret tournament one and i pre-did the projects

[celest thorn]

lol

[restive turret]

I split it between functionalities

[celest thorn]

i have so much fun doing tourneys

like the fun i have is so uncomperable

[restive turret]

Core, items, sounds, game modes

[celest thorn]

because 99% of the tourneys are just my ideas

maps done by me

sounds by me

code by me

and then reviewed by maro

and sometimes i write the documents about them

[restive turret]

Sounds are from a game, i need to make a map, code by me

[celest thorn]

I love making maps rn i need to develop the third hub for atoh

[restive turret]

Maybe i could even do pd2 stuff or smth

[celest thorn]

second one was like best map anyone has ever seen lol

took me 5 days

(the map is 1000x1000)

[restive turret]

I really need to make some "models"

[celest thorn]

good luck on that

i tried so much doing models to SL

i got one of them working

[upper vapor]

Me when you can have multiple plugins in one assembly

[celest thorn]

but was toooooo shitty

[restive turret]

I mean you can technically do it with prefabs

[celest thorn]

because my plan was voxelize them

[restive turret]

I even can hardcode it maybe

[celest thorn]

and then make them into optimized cubes etc....

the plan worked but as soon as i imported like characters or more complicated stuff

project died

[restive turret]

Edgeless safety cube

[teal junco]

Well the issue with that is that i prefered being able to manage every single plugin as a file

[celest thorn]

the problem is you cannot read a mesh

or make it in quads

so that makes it impossible

[upper vapor]

Will issue

[celest thorn]

I read papers and shit

still cannot find a way

[restive turret]

Me omw to make a portal 2 laser cube

[upper vapor]

Ain't no way 😭

Hop on blender

[celest thorn]

Bro are you serious

im serious about trying to divide my work load

and import obj to sl

and converting them into schems

that would help me aton

[restive turret]

Goof luck

[celest thorn]

sadly i tried so much

i have nothing else to try

theoretical ways, papers, voxelization, minecraft schematics

[restive turret]

Unity prefab to schems?

[celest thorn]

No, Obj to Primitives

[teal junco]

Hey if you make a laser cube for portal 2 and i make laser reciever and then we make a slave create the chamber

we could have the best sl server ever

where its just portal

[celest thorn]

Wavefront Obj

to prim

[teal junco]

Lasers in portal 2 are so much better than the fuckin energy ball in portal 1

[celest thorn]

energy balls are from hl2

[upper vapor]

Best I can do is use some tool in blender I forgot the name of that voxelizes and then do some fancy math to find those cubes

[celest thorn]

i tried EVERYTHING

i tried EVERYTHING

[plain gazelle]

what do you mean :o

[upper vapor]

(I never got around to doing that)

[celest thorn]

NOthing WORKS

its too heavy

[teal junco]

I know but its in portal 1 as a puzzle element

[upper vapor]

[unique crane]

There is literally plugin blender -> sl

[restive turret]

Make the ctf-face map

[celest thorn]

Bruh you are the smart guy here

Wavefront obj to Primitives

[teal junco]

when the server sends a spawn message it should just tell the client the scale

[celest thorn]

that wouldn't help

[restive turret]

Make a plugin for unreal engine -> sl

[celest thorn]

why would i

[celest thorn]

I made for minecraft

because i was bored

but its incredibly laggy

[plain gazelle]

Would it be possible to make a Harmony patch or sth that sends the scale along with the spawn message?
-# idk .w.

[teal junco]

if i ever learn how to make a minecraft server i will try making a plugin that allows cross play

[celest thorn]

Hope god is with you

you don't know what you said

[restive turret]

1. Read the obj
2. Parse it to primitives
3. Spawn (opt)
   ??
   Profit

[teal junco]

i think so

[celest thorn]

yea BUT OBJ ARE VERTICIES

[teal junco]

there might be an event for player visibility

[celest thorn]

QUADS ARE CUBES but flat

so where tf do i get a verticies

[upper vapor]

That doesn't work for arbitrary meshes

[upper vapor]

"Cubes but flat"

[celest thorn]

nw please add triangles

[celest thorn]

Best explanation

that day it comes i can finally import lara croft in sl

[upper vapor]

It's called a square

[teal junco]

imagine playing scp sl as scp and then a dummy player running 10x faster and b hopping comes by

i actually dk how fast minecraft players are

[celest thorn]

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/MeshFilter.html

wait

i realized

i could use this

sharedMesh

from there i can have verticies

[upper vapor]

🤯

[celest thorn]

Fuck you

shut the fuck up

[upper vapor]

No thanks

[celest thorn]

im having my moment of realization

of how a dumbass i am

i always had the solution infront of my eyes

[upper vapor]

A moment of applause

[celest thorn]

;(

the problem would be

how do you optimize that

[restive turret]

You don't

[celest thorn]

mesh simplification ig

[celest thorn]

I need to

[restive turret]

Simplify deez

[celest thorn]

;(

if i succeed guys next level will be making a sl server with just 3d models

[upper vapor]

I think it's best if none of us try doing some extremely autistic^3 math

[celest thorn]

imagine this will bring us

doing cool shit

not fucking waiting nw

[upper vapor]

Just wait for mesh toys

[celest thorn]

fuck nw

[celest thorn]

thats NEVER going to happen

i know for sure

im gonna be dead before that happens

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-funny-gif-5664557295072179547

[plain gazelle]

Hmmm
Maybe "queue" up the scaling and then set it in the next ValidateVisibility and forcing it to be true between everyone and the scaled player?

[upper vapor]

RoleChanged event

Oh wait

Nevermind

Xd

This angry chess

Angry chat

Anti cheat

Is actually annoying

[celest thorn]

anti cheat that sometimes works

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/zhxus812.png

this looks a fucking demon

[static meteor]

Scpsl when you have a fuckton of lights in one area

[upper vapor]

I told you not to do autistic math 😭

[celest thorn]

Honestly this is the nearest i've been

to a good result

not laggy

[upper vapor]

Good result as in performance
Looks fucking horrible though

[celest thorn]

last one look good

but in any ways horrible performance

[worthy rune]

why dont you try starting with a affine quad mesh, you should be able to replicate it perfectly inside SL in theory

[upper vapor]

Me when you find an actual quad mesh that doesn't have shifted vertices

[celest thorn]

What do you mean?

[upper vapor]

A mesh made up of quads instead of triangles

Doesn't work if you only have a triangle mesh though

[celest thorn]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.2/Documentation/Manual/Example-CreatingaBillboardPlane.html

[upper vapor]

Yeah and how do you plan on turning an existing triangle mesh into a quad mesh

[celest thorn]

blender?

i remember it has something for that

[upper vapor]

Eeeehhhh

Last time I tried it didn't work well

It doesn't create rectangular Quads

[celest thorn]

yea it doesn't work at all

fuck

[main zenith]

is there a way to override Cassie announcement for example i have specifed player he has the SCP role and i want to override his death message(in Cassie) with my own one?

[upper vapor]

Set the announcement on the damage handler in the dying event

[celest thorn]

honestly it doesn't work lol

its impossible

[main zenith]

its only get; no get; set;

[main zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/944522172469235772/1408881074334994552/crying-cat.gif

[upper vapor]

Check its inheritors

[celest thorn]

oh its not for you

that is 100% possible

[upper vapor]

Otherwise you gotta patch

Oh wait

There should be a CassieAnnouncingScpTermination or something

Event

[main zenith]

wait im stupid maybe its gonna work

[main zenith]

nv it doesnt work at all

[static meteor]

Do CassieQueuingScpTerminationEventArgs

[celest thorn]

do you like baguette?

[static meteor]

I like them for sandwiches

And garlic bread

[celest thorn]

honestly a good take ngl

[celest thorn]

ew

im a vampire when it comes to garlic

[main zenith]

yeah i found that right now but it probably doesnt work either i think but still im gonna try it out anyway

[static meteor]

American ones are probably different than European ones ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[celest thorn]

it will 100% work else try using the base for CassieQueue in general

[celest thorn]

oh so you are american?

[static meteor]

Yes

[celest thorn]

I thought you were french lol

[static meteor]

I know like three French words

[celest thorn]

i've studied french

[main zenith]

damn it kinda stupid that in DamageHandler u can "override" it but it wouldnt work as intended but in this work fine

[celest thorn]

sadly

[static meteor]

And probably can't say them correctly

[celest thorn]

idk

i got destroyed many times by my french teacher

who tf is the guy is spamming my website with "do sex with me"

bruh

[upper vapor]

*stares in asexual*

[celest thorn]

wtf that even means

[icy knoll]

this chat is now gunna be dead for the next week

[celest thorn]

its garlic bread

[icy knoll]

silksong is out

[celest thorn]

idk but i will be still here

lol

Im doing tree

tree is massive

god if some people should have internet access revoked

what am i reading

[wheat flower]

i genuinely give zero shits about silksong

[upper vapor]

hello zereth

[wheat flower]

dont even know what it is

dont care for it

[wheat flower]

hi

[celest thorn]

@icy knoll someone is insulting you on my website lol

ngl this is kinda funny

[icy knoll]

insulting me?

why?

what did they say? 😭

[celest thorn]

Yea I don't fucking know

Its a bit too much

[celest thorn]

like not even black humor

[icy knoll]

black humour?

[upper vapor]

dark humor?

[wheat flower]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[celest thorn]

Not even that bro

its like

worse

and not even that

i think its even a straight crime what the guy said

@feral remnant im sorry for you bro

i don't play hollow knight

[restive turret]

from the collider of for example Arm.L how can I get the player?

[worthy rune]

getComponentInParent<ReferenceHub>, or transform.root.GetComponent<ReferenceHub>

[slender lynx]

fuck is silksong

is that a new tiktok trend

[celest thorn]

no its a game that alot of people waited

the sequel to Hollow Knight

[slender lynx]

oh ok

[upper vapor]

no MovementSmoothing

[celest thorn]

cool ig, i did the tree at the end 378 in y

[restive turret]

I literally TP the thing

[restive turret]

what

[celest thorn]

i was making a tree and had so many difficulties on finding a good design

at the end i sticked with a style and looks amazing

and its 378 y

[restive turret]

how is that correlate to my vid

[celest thorn]

idk

just saying

but cool

[naive veldt]

This will be SL in 2017

[celest thorn]

SL in 2017 was better

[upper vapor]

did you just reverse time

[celest thorn]

btw today is silksong

tomorrow is dexter

[restive turret]

https://youtu.be/DXhCsPIzP6s?si=Snxec-WtnGv8d-Uy&t=136
the actual UT gun

[spare zodiac]

how does SL get players max health?

[restive turret]

wdym?

[upper vapor]

IHealthbarRole

[restive turret]

player.MaxHealth

[spare zodiac]

thank you

[upper vapor]

np

[spare zodiac]

yo axwabo

MaxHP Of Role: ChaosRifleman is 100
MaxHP Of Role: Scp0492 is 0

does 0492 not have IHealthbarRole?

[hearty shard]

it is based on how you got revived rather than starting hp

[spare zodiac]

tbh that makes sense

[restive turret]

ye

in SpawnObject it does the calculation

[spare zodiac]

it's weird that there is not base max hp that would just be changing

[royal mica]

It is actually just using the number of 0492 revivals and adds 200 if had the heartattack effect

you actually decrease max hp when forceclassing constantly in RA

[teal junco]

i cant load this video what is it

[restive turret]

wdym cant load it

[teal junco]

too big video

[restive turret]

its 48 mb

[restive turret]

this is half maybe

[celest thorn]

it looks good honestly

[restive turret]

gonna eat and gonna show live

[celest thorn]

in the vc?

[restive turret]

in the toilet yes

[languid temple]

Cardiac sensor deployed

[restive turret]

You have to hit the moving bullet

[lethal cradle]

Hey! I’m planning to create a NuGet package that bundles all the DLLs needed for plugin development, so developers don’t have to deal with setup and can just start creating plugins. It would also auto-update using GitHub Actions. Is it okay to do this, or could the DLLs be licensed/otherwise restricted?

[unique crane]

you cant share assembly-csharp via a nuget

Thats against Unity licensing

[lethal cradle]

Bruh that sucks

[restive turret]

no you cant share that bc of the game license the unity** dlls are against unity licensing

[royal mica]

Also the rest of the dependencies are on NuGet

[spare zodiac]

gives me a lot of ideas for new custom items

[plain gazelle]

Where can i find the SpawnMessage thingy for players coming into view?

[celest thorn]

wdym?

[plain gazelle]

#plugins-dev-chat message

For our roleplay server the scale desync is insanely annoying

[celest thorn]

scale for the player?

[plain gazelle]

yea

[celest thorn]

no.

just wait and send a fake scale message

lol

[plain gazelle]

Well thats the problem point
I dont know how to sync them if the player is far away and gets treated like a spectator. The fake scale message still gets discarded

[unique crane]

This will be fixed the next update

[celest thorn]

so 15.0?

[tulip kiln]

Anyone know if there is a way for a dummy to follow another dummy?

I tried executeas but it didn't do anything

[celest thorn]

With code

[tulip kiln]

No vanilla?

😭

[celest thorn]

idk vanilla

but code i know its possible

Yea

[tulip kiln]

oh I know why that might not work

dummies won't have perms

I need to assign them perms

[celest thorn]

that maybe be the problem

because i patched it out with my own

and i can do any comamnd if its a dummy

[plain gazelle]

But when can we roughly expect this fix :(

If its still weeks out, i still want to fix it myself for now

A bug report i recently submitted, which is annoying me fair great deal, got classed as P5 - Not a priority.
So i also now have to go find a workaround myself because i dont think itll be fixed anytime soon. Especially looking at the bug backlog :x

[unique crane]

Send like vector 0 scale and then the actual scale every role sync

[teal junco]

do you know what command makes a dummy follow

just try copying the code of that command

unless it has to do with those shit-ass dummy actions

[cyan crown]

FIRE BALL

[celest thorn]

WHATSAPP GORDON FREEMAN????

when hl3?

when the gman will release you from the void?

[cyan crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1109169855048990851/1412007174472732743/image.gif

i'm not whatsapp gordon

i'm glorpvix

https://tenor.com/view/cat-obese-ayo-chill-tf-out-yo-meme-eye-of-rah-gif-8941207415813895715

[celest thorn]

nah i see whatsapp gordon

[cyan crown]

😾

[celest thorn]

Yea

[cyan crown]

its so funny that i close unity for 1 second everything else breaks

i love this engine

[restive turret]

Me when i have to pixel perfect position things

[worn gull]

Best thing to do

[restive turret]

Nah

[plain gazelle]

Question
for
player.Damage
should i use a damage value of -1, float.MaxValue or float.Infinity ?

[teal junco]

pick one and always use it

at least IMO

[true cedar]

-1 just doesn't work sometimes

float.MaxValue prob is affected by damage reduction

not sure if float.Infinity is

but i wouldn't use maxvalue anyways

[teal junco]

tfw you take 2.1 billion damage but the 5% body damage reduction comes in clutch

i get what you mean though. there might be like a 100% dmg reduction or something

[true cedar]

yeah

honestly

nw made a really big design error making -1 = death

either make it float.NaN, float.NegativeInfinity, or (ideally) float.Infinity

[plain gazelle]

So there isnt a value i can use for player.Damage that will guarantee death under any and all circumstances, void god mode

[true cedar]

like the entire point of these values is that they're useful for avoiding fp errors

[true cedar]

-1 shoooould work but i used it once and it broke and it might've been a me issue but laso idk

[teal junco]

well there is one thing that pretty much always kills people

[true cedar]

so now im super hesitant to use it

[teal junco]

setting their role

[plain gazelle]

me need ragdoll

[teal junco]

but like

yeah

[true cedar]

i would honestly recommend patching the code so that float.Infinity kills but

[teal junco]

just pick one large number and have it set the role to spec if theyre still alive afterward

and also log it somewhere so you know it failed and when and why

[teal junco]

it doesnt?

idk whatever

[true cedar]

it doesn't have the same special instakill handling as -1

[plain gazelle]

the only issue ive had with float.maxvalue so far was once when i set myself to scale 2 and tried to use the particle disrupter damagehandler on myself

which left me on 0hp and alive

[true cedar]

yea

don't use that

really do not

float.Infinity is much much much better

[warped prairie]

float.JoeMama

largest value

gottem

[teal junco]

follow up : not an EXILED issue at all. screenshot taken without exiled installed.

[grand flower]

Is that a giant gun or is it in your mouth

[teal junco]

its a giant fucking gun

its inside a waypoint which is about 100x smaller than normal, and it looked normal but it scales up like insane when i disconnect and reconnect

[worthy rune]

what other plugins do you have installed?

[teal junco]

highlighted all plugins from the internet.

i think that to simplify it i will try it in a mostly vanilla server

[worthy rune]

anything that patches pickups in anyway?

[worthy rune]

yeah if you can isolate the plugin that causes it that would be good

[teal junco]

no clue honestly. but most if not all of the plugins i didnt highlight dont do any pickup patches afaik

i have reduced to only projectMER

it Might be a PMER issue though, so i might have to actually just make a plugin dedicated to spawning a waypoint and scaling it..

w/ only MER

okay so its not anything else

i will try making a quick plugin to make a waypoint

[naive veldt]

Buncha nerd talk in here

Whats cooking plugin devs?

[teal junco]

FIXING SCALING ISSUE

fuck Way Points bruh

[naive veldt]

mmmm interesting

[worthy rune]

no amert right?

[naive veldt]

Should NW consider this for the long run?

[teal junco]

I removed every other plugin

[worthy rune]

weird

[teal junco]

i did have an AMERT fork installed beforehand though

if its any help

[teal junco]

yeah waypoints are ultrabased besides that one thing

[worthy rune]

tbf theres no issues when i tested it basegame alongtime ago

yes that included leaving/rejoining

[teal junco]

that is weird

it might be either a new bug or a MER bug

or a me bug.

last one is somehow the most horrific.

so i just finished up the teeny tiny plugin

i will spawn myself a waypoint

fully vanilla except one command so i can get a scaled waypoint

So it is MER

damn it

[worthy rune]

yeah i was able to replicate the issue myself with pmer

[teal junco]

is it MER waypoints only

let me see...

[worthy rune]

nope, i spawned one with spawntoy waypoint 0.05 255 and it broke on rejoin

[teal junco]

oml im so stupid i didnt even know spawntoy had params

[worthy rune]

tbf its not documented so its understandable

[teal junco]

thats weird

maybe this medkit is not properly detected

[worthy rune]

hard to tell if its inside or not

[teal junco]

it definitely was inside

but i tried again

so

wait i picked up the medkit bruh

well the medkit was fine

[worthy rune]

yeah im not sure how this is happening

CC @ashen hornet

[upper vapor]

https://github.com/Michal78900/ProjectMER/blob/master/Features%2FSerializable%2FSerializableWaypoint.cs#L24
Is this the issue? I don't see how but I also can't find any other possible cause

[worthy rune]

looks fine to me, thats how the spawntoy wayopoint one does it too

[upper vapor]

😭 😭 😭 😭

[celest thorn]

my death is about to come

today is a sad day, no more dexter and exams ;(

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/death-dying-die-jake-moonkitti-gif-22186202

[ionic prawn]

how can i get any errors in the server console?

[restive turret]

config_localadmin.txt
la_show_stdout_and_stderr: true

[ionic prawn]

like coded

cause i am making so it just sends errors to a webhook

[royal mica]

Try this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42952371/catch-all-exception-in-unity

[ionic prawn]

k

[royal mica]

Also do note, that if you receive a large exception or some bug, ratelimit the webhook

otherwise you deadlock the whole code since it'll recursively send itself

[ionic prawn]

k

also im coding this at school lol

[royal mica]

k

[unkempt ore]

Is there a Next Known SpawnableFaction?

[unique crane]

There is no next known spawnable faction as it is not certain until one is choosen when its timer is set to 0

Best you can get is the faction with least time left until respawn

[tulip kiln]

I solved it by using a real human, but the problem with using the command is that the requester is the one going to be followed, as the command only takes the target dummy ID as an argument

And I couldn't assign perms to dummies because they don't have the encrypted channel thing

[upper vapor]

[unique crane]

I would add component to the dummy

With target ref hub and move the dummy towards it

[tulip kiln]

I had to do it with vanilla

[soft turtle]

Is there an event that triggers from items being dropped due to death?

[unique crane]

You can subscribe to Dying event

and clear the player's inventory during it

Oh you mean triggered when item is dropped due to a death

Well there is event when player drops an item

that should trigger it?

[icy knoll]

yeah but ig they wanna check if it was dropped because the player died?

ig they could use the Dropped event and see if the player is dead

[unique crane]

Hmmmm yea

[icy knoll]

because dropped is after

[soft turtle]

DroppedItem only reacts when the player drops the item themselves

[icy knoll]

so player will be dead

[unique crane]

Oh well then

[upper vapor]

Inventory.OnItemRemoved

Or something event

[unique crane]

Let me check

[upper vapor]

Maybe it's in InventoryExtensions?

I forgor

[unique crane]

Ye the InventoryExtensions.OnItemRemoved