plugins-dev-chat

[upper vapor]

my guess is that the seedmessage isn't sent somehow

[unique crane]

Yeah you are getting shot

[celest thorn]

that would cause desync tho

[celest thorn]

;(

[upper vapor]

wait nvm im stuppid

it literally says SEED -1

[celest thorn]

yea lol

try to block the message

so no message means no

map

🧠

[upper vapor]

okay wtf

now there's no map

i jsu trestarted the server

oh right cuz uh

i rolled back the changes

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[celest thorn]

brain

[upper vapor]

no, that means the client will use the seed from the last time it received a seed

[celest thorn]

what are you doing?

[upper vapor]

i am beyond confused

sometimes there is a map, sometimes there isn't

i guess it's some waypoint ID bullshit

[celest thorn]

Schizophrenia

[upper vapor]

just gonna revert to doors

[celest thorn]

See

Doors always win

[celest thorn]

https://en.scpslgame.com/index.php?title=Site-02

bruh someone fucked up on the wiki

shelves aren't structures

[unique crane]

Mmmmmmmm

[soft turtle]

In which case SpeakerToy.IsPlayed switches to False?
My sound has already ended, but IsPlayed is still True

[soft turtle]

😬

[upper vapor]

this is a horribly complicated coroutine btw 😭

[hearty shard]

then

pr it to be better

[upper vapor]

just extract method some shit

[spare zodiac]

can I make pickup be invisible, but still have interactable?

[slender lynx]

@celest thorn are u team camerahead or team skibidi toilet

[celest thorn]

wtf

maro are you ok?

[slender lynx]

nope

[spare zodiac]

was maro ever okay?

[slender lynx]

i am VERY hungover

[celest thorn]

dms

[slender lynx]

🪤

[slender lynx]

you still never answered the question

[celest thorn]

Ok i will

[spare zodiac]

that is true zer0

[slender lynx]

this is an important question

[celest thorn]

skibidi toilet where with Gman And Killed Gordon

[slender lynx]

and this will determine the next tournament

ok

i see

[celest thorn]

GOrdon is my god

so

Fuck skibidi toilet

embrace the camera head

[south socket]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-idk-dexter-innocent-gif-10412116

[upper vapor]

You need an interactable toy for that

[spare zodiac]

so like so like áaaááá

[upper vapor]

Exactly

[spare zodiac]

but like I want to put schematic over pickup, but like how do I manage to manage to make schematic same fall as like the pickup itself?

[upper vapor]

Rigidbody

Or, don't spawn the pickup, make the schematic follow it every frame

I changed a custom item to be parented to the pickup but it disappeared

[unique crane]

Works fine for me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236707343740178503/1408407259352141854/image.png?ex=68ab9b39&is=68aa49b9&hm=62d77d4af1cdb9b7d8e72567321c1ef2f47535850fd7c5937b6397f6e214621c&

Not best but works XD

[upper vapor]

Probably cuz I'm dumb, I'll take a look later

[upper vapor]

The portable vampire

[unique crane]

Yes

Its pretty peak

[unique crane]

Ah you know what you might have done

Forgot to remove colliders

from the primitive objects

XD

[upper vapor]

No

[unique crane]

I did that too and it just

Went away

to the abyss

[upper vapor]

The issue is that the schematic is completely invisible

[unique crane]

Oh

Position at 0,0,0?

[upper vapor]

It's parented to the pickup now but I can't see it
Local pos 0 0 0

[unique crane]

Weird

What pickup it is

[upper vapor]

SetParent(pickup.transform, false)

[upper vapor]

Armor

Before I just followed the pickup by setting the position in the transform

[unique crane]

What I did is added component to the pickup
Spawned the sloc thingy on Start()
Set the transform right after

[upper vapor]

That's pretty much what I do
Kinda

I spawn the sloc object at 0,0,0
Add the component to the pikcup
In Awake, I call SetParent(transform, false)

Oh I think I know

I didn't set scale to 1

Xddd

[unique crane]

happens

[upper vapor]

NEVERMIND

I did set the scale

I'll see when I get home

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/8a1d0xnl.png

I wonder why my debugger is screaming at me

hmmm

should i be really scared tho?

[unique crane]

Boo

[hearty shard]

david = SCARY!

[celest thorn]

AH

thats scary

more than the 10 Danger

[unique crane]

Free Unity model jumpscare

[celest thorn]

Btw should i be scared by the MS count?

like is that BAD

[unique crane]

Well depends what it does

if you sort 1000000000 items then yea that seems right

[celest thorn]

you can see the names

One is for UI

which is debug

[unique crane]

Uhhhhhhhhh

[celest thorn]

and normally disabled

and second one updates all cosmetics

(which is moving hats and calculating trails)

[unique crane]

14ms 💀

[celest thorn]

IN TOTAL

tho

from last time i did the report

min is 0.001 and max is 0.068ms

[unique crane]

Is it debug or release compile

[celest thorn]

i don't remember

i think its release

tho

[unique crane]

Small optimalization wouldnt hurt

[celest thorn]

i mean

the problem is where do i optimize

i already tried alot

[unique crane]

And what do you do

[hearty shard]

david make sl into UE5 pls

[unique crane]

in there

[celest thorn]

Its a class i call for updating ALL cosmetics

[unique crane]

Pay me 4M USD and sure

[celest thorn]

which is moving gameobjects

calculating trails

[hearty shard]

how about $-4M

[celest thorn]

and then spawning primitives for it

and checking SSSS

settings for them

[unique crane]

not worth it

[unique crane]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[celest thorn]

but as of rn i don't have cosmetics

atleast

like idk if i should be worried or not

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/xkl07ctt.png

Someone knows how to fix this? if i click nothing happens

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/798rftxz.png

Funny enough the rainbow effect is what makes it lag

[unique crane]

wtf

[celest thorn]

lol

[unique crane]

What are you doing in that method

[celest thorn]

let me get it

        private string RainbowText(string input)
        {
            var sb = new StringBuilder();
            int length = input.Length;

            for (int i = 0; i < length; i++)
            {
                float hue = (Time.time * 0.2f + (float)i / length) % 1f;
                Color col = Color.HSVToRGB(hue, 1f, 1f);
                string hex = ColorUtility.ToHtmlStringRGB(col);
                sb.Append($"<color=#{hex}>{input[i]}</color>");
            }

            return sb.ToString();
        }

[upper vapor]

StringBuilderPool:

[unique crane]

New stringbuilder each time

😭

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-ryan-gosling-hey-wave-hello-gif-5011139

[celest thorn]

Oh wait there's another one

Wait

[upper vapor]

Do you have DisableImplicitFrameworkReferences as true?

[celest thorn]

no ;(

[upper vapor]

You referenced mscorlib without setting that?

If yes then set it

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/1971w0ki.png

i did it

but

nothing

[upper vapor]

Show full csproj

Also you need to reference System.Data

[celest thorn]

TOo long ;(

[upper vapor]

Fix it

[celest thorn]

its already small

[upper vapor]

make sure you have mscorlib, System, System.Core and System.Data

[warped prairie]

I see SL plugin dev chat has reached a peak for the day

Lmao

[celest thorn]

nah but fr i found out sadly HL is canon in skibidi toilet universe

Gordon freeman died

FUCK the skibidi toilet creator

Gordon NEVER DIES

and the gman appears sometimes

with barney too

like wtf

[restive turret]

can we not talk about that

[warped prairie]

Slej is gonna end it all if you keep it up

[upper vapor]

All as in all of humanity?

[celest thorn]

When should i use string builders pools?

[unique crane]

When you join a lot of strings often

And you need string builder for it

As you still allocating the inner array

for it

[south socket]

are the scp 079 proximity voice effects clientsided & not removeable?

[unique crane]

Yea

You can get around by catching the outgoing voice messages and playing them on a speaker toy instead

[icy knoll]

i wish there was a way to do the voice effects on the server tho

like for radio

[upper vapor]

There is

You just have to waste resources

[icy knoll]

yippie

[unique crane]

10/10 devs would reccomend

[icy knoll]

im becoming more and more like ax daily with optimisation stuff 😭

[celest thorn]

        private string RainbowText(string input)
        {
            var sb = StringBuilderPool.Shared.Rent();
            int length = input.Length;

            for (int i = 0; i < length; i++)
            {
                float hue = (Time.time * 0.2f + (float)i / length) % 1f;
                Color col = Color.HSVToRGB(hue, 1f, 1f);
                string hex = ColorUtility.ToHtmlStringRGB(col);
                sb.Append($"<color=#{hex}>{input[i]}</color>");
            }

            return sb.ToString();
        }

In a method like this how tf you return for example

[celest thorn]

Female Axwabo?

[unique crane]

We will all be like Ax one day

[celest thorn]

Thanks but no

[unique crane]

nano optimalizations

[icy knoll]

don't do return sb.ToString() with a string builder pool

[unique crane]

StringBuilderPool.Shared.ToStringReturn(sb);

[celest thorn]

Oh that one returns the string

my bad

[unique crane]

or honestly dont use sb pool at all

[celest thorn]

im stupid ;(

[unique crane]

Just make one static SB

for all the trials

and clear it each time

[celest thorn]

I do that

[icy knoll]

what happens if it's called at the same time >:3

[unique crane]

No you dont

[unique crane]

Impossible

[celest thorn]

Skibidi sigma toilet

please kill me

[unique crane]

Sure

https://tenor.com/view/byee-lolol-gif-13058586

[celest thorn]

Thank you, in a future life i might be a girl

atleast

hope so

[icy knoll]

nuh

[obtuse spruce]

Why when i spawn a Primitive or others AdminToys and pass the position and rotation and parent inside the Create method params, and i set it static. The primitive are not visible

i guess cuz NetworkPosition and others field is never instanced cuz i set it static too early

[slate flume]

What is this for

You say you're passing position, rotation, and parent

If you set position to like (100f, 100f, 100f) that's going to be relative to the parent iirc

Also, why are you setting an object with a parent to be static?

If an object is static, you can't move it

So why parent it to another object?

[obtuse spruce]

to be not updated. If i can move the parent directly. childs should be updated too

Why adding an RPC when parent are changed if its not for permit make childs static and just let the parent not static ?

[slate flume]

You're defeating the point of static optimizations if you're still moving around a static object

But that's more of a point of just bad practice rather than incompatibility afaik

[obtuse spruce]

im not moving a static object ?

[slate flume]

You're moving a parent which moves the object

[obtuse spruce]

childs are statics. the parent are not

[slate flume]

Hence, moving a static object

The reason you make a static object is so you can optimize things by baking in like

Lighting calculations

And navmeshes

If you're still moving the object then you're defeating the point of making it static

[obtuse spruce]

In a unity context. Im talking in AdminToy context...

[slate flume]

Yeah, admintoys are unity objects 🤦🏼‍♂️

IsStatic is used on the Unity Transform of the Admin Toys

[obtuse spruce]

But AdminToy static property are not the Unity static property

[slate flume]

Yes

They are

[obtuse spruce]

Nope

Nope

That not because MER use it for compile. That SCPSL use it

[slate flume]

My point is why make something static if you're still moving it

I get you don't want it to move relative to the parent

But that doesn't mean you make it static

Just

Don't move it?

I'm telling you that making it static has no purpose, and is possibly causing the issues your experiencing

[obtuse spruce]

Did you read what im writing ? im making the childs static but the parent (also a admintoy too) not static. Did you know what adminToy static property do on the serverSide ?

[slate flume]

Do you know what admintoy static property does on the server side?

Why are you setting it if you don't know what it does

[obtuse spruce]

Yes

[slate flume]

So what does it do

[obtuse spruce]

It avoid to update every frame : NetworkPosition, NetworkRotation, NetworkScale

[slate flume]

Dude

Network Position is local position

That's why you're having issues

[obtuse spruce]

That why im setting it static ??

[obtuse spruce]

if my localPosition was no longer updated cause im updating only the parent. i didnt have any issues

[slate flume]

Okay so tell me this

You're having issues spawning the primitive

Do those issues go away when you remove IsStatic?

[obtuse spruce]

I need to set it static after NetworkPosition, NetworkRotation, NetworkScale initialize one time i guess

Static work but after setting by myself Network transform infos

[slate flume]

So did you do that?

[obtuse spruce]

im gonna show you what cause issue

[slate flume]

My whole point here is that you set IsStatic and it is causing you issues

[rain isle]

i eat it

[slate flume]

You set it pre-emptively and it means it can't update local position and rotation

That's what I've been trying to say

[obtuse spruce]

that what ive say before. I think i set it too early

i got the issue too why MER for no reason. So i need to delay it

[slate flume]

So Timing.CallDelayed(Timing.WaitForOneFrame, () => toy.IsStatic = true)

Or you could do what I've been trying to say and not worry about setting it static

[obtuse spruce]

Yup that what i do for fix at the moment but it would be cool if NetworkTransform infos are set in the Awake method i guess it can fix

[slate flume]

I mean I just don't get why you'd set IsStatic

Are you intentionally trying to change it's local position and you want that code to fail?

Otherwise it has no difference than just keeping IsStatic false

I'm moreso shocked they changed the IsStatic to handle server updates rather than do the unityengine transform that feels entirely counterintuitive

[obtuse spruce]

Cuz each primitives add an overhead so if i can reduce it by setting something that help

[slate flume]

You'll have to like toy.Base.Transform.IsStatic to actually get the unity optimizations

[obtuse spruce]

not sure the optimizations is huge

[slate flume]

You have enough primitives to make that a concern?

[obtuse spruce]

800

[slate flume]

Fair enough ig

[obtuse spruce]

each is important. 1 or 200 primitives if i can make it static i make it

[slate flume]

I entirely thought the IsStatic on the Admin Toys affected the UnityEngine transform I can't lie

I have to change my code now

[obtuse spruce]

That not 10 primitives that gonna kill my server but you know each optimizations is important

[slate flume]

I wish that was like

Documented

[obtuse spruce]

Base.enabled are better iirc

no Update called each tick

[slate flume]

I'm just pissed that they recycled the IsStatic name from the UnityEngine transforms

I was setting the static property on my primitives thinking it would work on the transform

Apparently not

[obtuse spruce]

btw isStatic from unity seem useless on an headless server

[slate flume]

Why's that?

I know little about Unity outside of bits here and there

[obtuse spruce]

No graphic render, no lightmap, no batching, no occlusion

[slate flume]

I would think it would help the client though, no?

[obtuse spruce]

isStatic are not Networked so the client never make the operation

[slate flume]

Oh for real?

Damn

[obtuse spruce]

yup

[slate flume]

Why is nothing networked

[obtuse spruce]

cuz NW didnt think about it and if the Server move the AdminToy baked. It just gonna make the client lag cuz need to bake everythings

[slate flume]

That's so dumb

I really need to stop expecting NW code to make sense

[obtuse spruce]

and that useful on the scene compilation

isStatic is useless after scene compilation

[slate flume]

Like my entire argument before was based on assuming the IsStatic property is the same as in Unity

[obtuse spruce]

Lmao

[slate flume]

I'm gonna crash out

Crazy that the optimizations I thought I had just don't work

[obtuse spruce]

NetworkIsStatic is for something but not for this

[slate flume]

I apologize if I came off harsh earlier

My bad

[obtuse spruce]

dont worry

[worthy rune]

hmmm is should work, no need to delay static by a frame

can i see the code

[obtuse spruce]

ive change the code with a fix

[worthy rune]

btw from my own testing, static(the admin toy one) makes a huge difference for fps on the client. thats not really because static is anything special, its mostly because admintoys are really unoptimized by default

[obtuse spruce]

iirc now AdminToy use GPU Instancing

[worthy rune]

i dont think its set up properly to actually use it, and in theory if it was set up properly it would destroy fps

[obtuse spruce]

why ?

[worthy rune]

iirc instancing only works well when the mesh used has a high enough vertex count

unity recommends atleast 256

[obtuse spruce]

on the material the gpu instancing i guess

[slate flume]

We should rewrite SL in Unreal Engine

[worthy rune]

not sure what gpu instancing a material does i never heard of it

[grand flower]

[glad pagoda]

iirc all the toys also use mesh colliders

which are very slow

[obtuse spruce]

ive say that a lof of times before fall in love of c#

[slate flume]

I do really like C#

[grand flower]

I like C++

[slate flume]

Nerd

[grand flower]

I do prefer C# for like, how much easier it is, but I love C++ too

[warped prairie]

i worked in c++ and C# before and C# i found much better

[grand flower]

and well it pays the bills

[obtuse spruce]

not gpu

[slate flume]

Things like C and C++ just feel so much worse to use

Too low-level imo

[warped prairie]

mainly because malloc killed me having to assign for literally everything peroperly

[grand flower]

You don't have to do it in Unreal

[obtuse spruce]

C++ is very cool but i dont really like the syntax and c# permit a lof of things. And the performance are god damn good for web app

[warped prairie]

i hated doing malloc bc you dont fully know when you messed up /where

[grand flower]

It has its own garbage collection so you don't do memory allocation yourself 95% of the time

Unless you go into very low level stuff, make your own libs, fuck around with online services and all that

[obtuse spruce]

Just need to take care of GC pressure but not something hard

[grand flower]

I use both tbf, C# for when I'm working on backends and stuff, C++ for work

[obtuse spruce]

ASP.NET CORE >>

[grand flower]

ASP.NET is sweet

[obtuse spruce]

real

[grand flower]

But I made Unreal my specialty because of the booming market for it and it paid off

[obtuse spruce]

i understand

but microsoft environment is so sweet bro

you need something ? Microsoft have a package

[grand flower]

mostly yeah

I just don't wanna deal with Unity

I specialize in multiplayer games and Unreal's networking stuff is awesome

[obtuse spruce]

Unity are pretty cool but have its limits

[slate flume]

I heard good things about S&Box

It's in C#

It's made off of source engine

[obtuse spruce]

Actually im just waiting for CoreCLR cuz Mono didnt really help unity to grow

[grand flower]

it's okay but I don't wanna depend on Facepunch for my stuff

[glad pagoda]

well they backtracked recently

[obtuse spruce]

why ?

[grand flower]

• the Unreal community is huge, you generally can chat with a few industry professionals when you have issues

makes it easy

[slate flume]

I don't wanna depend on anyone for my stuff but inevitably if I don't wanna put stress on myself I'll have to

[glad pagoda]

cause they decided it's too soon to give users .net 8

[slate flume]

Unreal can just be like

Too much?

[glad pagoda]

so they're staying on netstandard 2.1 still

[grand flower]

I mean Unreal's open source so

not like Epic Games is gonna implode all of a sudden, you can always stick to previous versions if they somehow do

The EULA makes that pretty clear since it's per version

[slate flume]

It's just that like Unreal is more demanding and is much more heavy

[obtuse spruce]

why ? that stupid decision

[grand flower]

By default, somewhat, but it's mostly on the developers

[slate flume]

For like large open-world games it's cool but that's not every game

[grand flower]

https://github.com/pfist/Nano like here's an example

[glad pagoda]

new management came and decided they don't want to do all the work for now

so editor stays on mono

builds get coreclr

[grand flower]

Unity try not to shoot themselves in the foot challenge (impossible)

[glad pagoda]

but you stay on netstandard 2.1

[grand flower]

You can ignore that, that's just to show you can reduce the game size by a ton if you know what you're doing

[obtuse spruce]

so at the compilation and runtime it use CoreCLR but not when you code ?

[slate flume]

I'm not saying Unity is the best option but I will say Unreal isn't the best option for every game

[glad pagoda]

yeah buils will have .net 8

but

[slate flume]

It's large, great for larger games, and occasionally a smaller game maybe

[glad pagoda]

you won't be able to use the apis

[slate flume]

But there's better engines for smaller games

[glad pagoda]

cause it won't work in editor

[grand flower]

True, use the engine that best fits your project

[obtuse spruce]

Unity 6 have it ?

[glad pagoda]

no

unity 7

[slate flume]

Fr fr

So true

I like Unreal but I also like other engines for different things

[glad pagoda]

which comes probably in like a year

[obtuse spruce]

Bump to a new unity version is an hard job for NW ?

[glad pagoda]

i assume they'll do .net 8 in like 5 years then

[obtuse spruce]

for .NET 15

[glad pagoda]

funfact, a friend of mine managed to patch the SL server builds to run on .net 9

in a week

while unity isn't able to release it for years

[obtuse spruce]

lmao

how if unity didnt support it ?

[glad pagoda]

enough modding and you can get everything "working"

[obtuse spruce]

lmaooo

[glad pagoda]

he was still dealing with some GC crashes though

[obtuse spruce]

turn off the GC

[glad pagoda]

that's what he did

[obtuse spruce]

broo

[glad pagoda]

later he managed to get it working in some limited configuration

and with a custom GC

[obtuse spruce]

Bro coded its own GC

[glad pagoda]

nah not his own actually

[obtuse spruce]

oh ok

[glad pagoda]

from a MS dev https://github.com/VSadov/Satori/blob/main/src/coreclr/gc/satori/README.md

[obtuse spruce]

wow

[slate flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247074654363979850/1354903661947387924/threatened_fish.gif

[celest thorn]

PUT DOWN THE GUN, none wants to hurt you or the fish

[cosmic echo]

where is Player.IsDestroyed

[restive turret]

GameObject == null

[cosmic echo]

awesome, thanks

[restive turret]

As I seen the old codebase for their engine and the build system and stuff

Yeah

Not gonna happen in a million years

[upper vapor]

cuz labapi is so smart that it doesn't set those properties after initialization

[obtuse spruce]

Does it should be AdminToy directly on the Start method ?

[upper vapor]

the cube toy uses a boxcollider

[upper vapor]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[upper vapor]

😭😭😭

[restive turret]

No i hate aspnet

[upper vapor]

no

no

use ReferenceHub == null

[restive turret]

Just use this == null

[upper vapor]

set networkSpawn to false, set the network properties yourself and then call spawn

[upper vapor]

[cosmic echo]

I see

[upper vapor]

getting the GameObject is slightly slower, and it throws if the refhub is null

there's a PR to fix it

[obtuse spruce]

How it can made différence ? Iirc in the wrapper the NetworkSpawn are call a the end

[cosmic echo]

is it lying to me

[upper vapor]

yes (nw moment)

[cosmic echo]

peak

[upper vapor]

you can do if (ReferenceHub)

[cosmic echo]

oh yeah

[upper vapor]

yes, that's the issue

because the wrapper doesn't set the network properties

so if you set them after spawning, it won't update (isStatic)

[obtuse spruce]

Well im gonna fix that and see if there any PR about that

[upper vapor]

i don't think so

also, the Position, Rotation and Scale propeties should also set the network properties, not just transform

i guess it doesn't really make a difference cuz transform updates are handled in LateUpdate

[obtuse spruce]

How the RPC work ? Like how it détect that I change the transform ?

That a Check ?

[upper vapor]

OnTransformParentChanged i think

[obtuse spruce]

It was an unity method ?

[upper vapor]

you shoulédn't need to worry about that though

[obtuse spruce]

Okayy

[worthy rune]

not sure what the issue is, the server sets the network properties for pos/rot/scale in OnStartServer()

when i tested it, you could spawn with static as true and it would parent correctly

[upper vapor]

huh

[obtuse spruce]

Weird

I need to test it but actually im gonna sleep Its 6am 👁️👄👁️

[upper vapor]

i love it when Rider randomly gives me the options to open year-old projects at the beginning of the taskbar list

[upper vapor]

okay yea

[worthy rune]

and OnStartServer is called before the first serialization happens

[upper vapor]

yeah i didn't see that being overridden

[upper vapor]

seems like the netId of the pickup is 0 even after spawning it

okay that happens when i drop it, that's fair

yeah it works on Start

[celest thorn]

skill issue

and gm

[celest thorn]

rock no answer, rock bad

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/run-gif-24406607

[celest thorn]

rock big and scary

[royal mica]

Do we have a Harmony patch for the item duplication until fix is released?

Or nobody has looked into it yet to patch it

[upper vapor]

The 914 thing?

[celest thorn]

Item DUPLICATION?

duping on SL?

duper trooper but on SL

[royal mica]

Yes

if I see the code correctly, it just happens that the pickup is not deleted

or spawned in some branches for some reason

[celest thorn]

chat dead

please chat RISE again from the dead

[spare zodiac]

@upper vapor did you say try get component is not optimised at all?

what if I like "accidentally" do this every frame?

[unique crane]

bruh

Well its your server

[celest thorn]

my new beloved project is meow debugger

i will expand it to even include ram debugging

[upper vapor]

Have you considered
Quitting the game (modding/development industry)

[celest thorn]

LOL

[spare zodiac]

what does meow debugger do? I though like few times about creating project that would patch every method you asign it to and check how long does the method take if too much it will log it

[upper vapor]

Exactly

[spare zodiac]

XDDD

[upper vapor]

Can we get dotCover and dotTrace for SL please

[celest thorn]

It does that it just patches everything except Cedmod (because it crashes the server) and then it just checks and replies to me everything

[spare zodiac]

cedmod the epic harmony crasher

[upper vapor]

Why can't you just cache it on start

[spare zodiac]

I totally can

might do that

[celest thorn]

i took it a step further by even doing dependencies and it traces which methods call methods if found

so i know everything example

via a method on my plugin i know that Ruei takes like 20 seconds because i patched them both

and i know in this way the chain

and which calls is the heaviest in that method

[spare zodiac]

I would love to see which unoptimised mess I made in my plugin

[celest thorn]

trust me yesterday i fixed lag

i didn't think it existed

and which made the server use less cpu

a bit more laggy in some ways at the boot

but boot is boot

[spare zodiac]

guys don't worry

check epic check

[celest thorn]

please

[unique crane]

Laughs in private debug server build

[celest thorn]

Fuck you

give it to us

[unique crane]

cant

[celest thorn]

fuck the NDA

[restive turret]

Non-Deniable Application

[celest thorn]

Fr

we wanna see how shit the game runs

and how our plugins makes it run more shit

btw Github will train 100% their ai on our code

[unique crane]

Also

If your doing patches

transpliers

then they wont work on debug build remember

its different IL

[celest thorn]

;(((((((

Just do 2 builds

[restive turret]

why need IL Patch when you can do it directly

[upper vapor]

"if 20 is less than 60, do nothing"

[upper vapor]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[celest thorn]

btw in all of this

i must say the most optimized plugin in my server

is the one done by axwabo

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

not even in the top 20

of plugins that cause lag

[icy knoll]

ax loves to optimise so much that i now love to optimise 😭

[celest thorn]

Ruei is first now

[icy knoll]

even tho im not as good, yet...

[celest thorn]

[celest thorn]

skill issue

[upper vapor]

no GC time = no microlags

[upper vapor]

:3333

now bring us spans

[celest thorn]

oh wait

i just saw

YOUR API is not even patched lol

thats why

[upper vapor]

bruh

BRUH

[icy knoll]

idk how they work lol

[upper vapor]

you patched the plugin that loaded the deps

😭

i'm cooked

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/na8c010y.png

Check this out

The most optimized across all of this

is MeowMenuSystem

which is quite funny

[restive turret]

why you patched SLNA ?

what you patching there

[celest thorn]

Checking timings

and what makes lag

[celest thorn]

ig there's not much lag there

lol

[upper vapor]

xdddd

[celest thorn]

idk why it doesn't take your api

too optimized to patch

[upper vapor]

you should make the patcher load last

also, the dependencies are extracted from embedded resources so you don't see them in the dependencies folder

you gotta look through the AppDomain

-# try not to patch mscorlib

[celest thorn]

Thats why

I check from the loader

[upper vapor]

what loader

[celest thorn]

labapi

[restive turret]

the dishwasher loader

[celest thorn]

I love that one

when you unload them

they smell

so nice

[upper vapor]

through this?

[celest thorn]

yep

[upper vapor]

imagine if i forgot to use that in my PR

ummmmm

[upper vapor]

now check how much AudioPlayer::Update shits itself

[upper vapor]

did you know that embedded resources aren't added to that hashset?

[celest thorn]

i know

[upper vapor]

then you won't have any of SecretLabNAudio's dependencies in that set

[royal mica]

Found the issue, lazy to fix

All combiners here spawn a pickup in the OUTPUT location

Which then moved over by 914 as if it were in the INPUT

        private static IEnumerator<float> spawn914DupeItemPlatform() {
            yield return Timing.WaitForSeconds(1f);

            var outChamber = Scp914Controller.Singleton.OutputChamber.position;
            var move = Scp914Controller.MoveVector;
            var position = outChamber + move - new Vector3(0, 10, 0);

            var toy = PrimitiveObjectToy.Create(position, Quaternion.identity, new Vector3(10, .1f, 10));
            toy.Type = PrimitiveType.Cube;
            toy.Color = Color.green;
        }

lazy AF solution so it doesn't fall into heavy

[upper vapor]

Lmfao

[royal mica]

actually patching might be avail

[restive turret]

what

[royal mica]

yes

you heard me correctly

[restive turret]

wdym yes

i dont see whats wrong or something

maybe the last function?

[royal mica]

no

that just destroys the original pickup that was used for upgrade

the problem is the AddResultToCombiner

which uses ServerCreatePickup

that uses NetworkSpawn: true

[soft turtle]

Why does the console break if I turn it up?

[spare zodiac]

did you close all the tags?

[soft turtle]

Yes

[upper vapor]

It shits itself sometimes

Clear it

[soft turtle]

😭

[spare zodiac]

yeah it's bullshit

[upper vapor]

[upper vapor]

Do you like your TBRA completely disappearing if there are a lot of logs?

[soft turtle]

TBRA?

[upper vapor]

Text-based remote admin

[restive turret]

Tortured Ballistic Related Actions

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/relax-and-take-notes-gif-22717355

btw i have a solution for the lag of sl, nw hires axwabo

[paper hazel]

does anyone know whats the cause of the 914 duplication glitch? is it some plugin or just scp in general? Is there a known fix?

[worthy rune]

base game issue

[celest thorn]

wtf is happening

duper troopers clones on SL?

[upper vapor]

unity 💞

i don't even know what i did

[sinful bronze]

u open unity

first issue

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[celest thorn]

Skill issue

[unique crane]

Nothing special

SL project shows that too when you launch it

Clear output window and continue whatever your doing

Unless it doesnt go away

in which case, restart it

[upper vapor]

[soft turtle]

Has anyone had this problem?

[upper vapor]

disable midnight

[royal mica]

Base game issue, you can put a platform next to 914

Items spawn right to the OUTPUT chamber

[royal mica]

you can use this hack for now

or patch 914 controller and have pain

How tf are you supposed to have nested coroutines

[upper vapor]

pain and suffering

[royal mica]

do you just iterate yield?

[upper vapor]

this is where JS shines

[royal mica]

oh

[upper vapor]

yes

[royal mica]

javascript?!

[upper vapor]

foreach (var f in Inner())
yield return f;

how do you know if the inner coroutine wants to break out of the outer coroutine?

good luck

[upper vapor]

yea

[royal mica]

oh

oh no

[upper vapor]

you can do yield* inner() which effectively does a for..of for you

AND

js iterators have return values

so you can do

const shouldContinue = yield* inner()

[royal mica]

lovely

[upper vapor]

it has to be an IEnumerable

just change

or

use awaitables

[royal mica]

public IEnumerator<float> update() {
  var enumer = doInnerUpdate();
  yield return enumer.Current;
  while (enumer.MoveNext()) {
    yield return enumer.Current;
  }
}

I think I spawned another cursed hellspawn

[upper vapor]

i mean it works

also you should not yield return current after calling the enumerator

plus, should be using var enumer

[royal mica]

Why using? hu

[upper vapor]

if you did foreach on an IEnumerable, you can make it simpler

[royal mica]

wait Is enumaretor disposable?

[upper vapor]

yea

[royal mica]

OH

[upper vapor]

doesn't really do much in this case but in most cases you should dispose of an IEnumerator

again, you can just make your inner coroutine an IEnumerable

[royal mica]

it is better to just always use using on IDisposable tbh

or not nest it at this point before I break something

[upper vapor]

if you don't pass it outside of the scope, you should

but using doesn't need nesting

[royal mica]

turns out I do not even do any yields

[upper vapor]

do you var file = File.OpenRead() ?

[royal mica]

no i just do ReadAllTextAsync

[upper vapor]

IN SL?

[royal mica]

naah

I just use .Result

[upper vapor]

[royal mica]

without await

[upper vapor]

cedmod reference

zero

you know

[royal mica]

i learnt the hard way that 2 await in a function freezes the main thread

[upper vapor]

gotta love the UnitySynchronizationContext

[celest thorn]

what

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

[celest thorn]

bruh

UnitySynchronizationContext loves you

(more wants you dead)

[royal mica]

today we started receiving SIGSEGV and I dunno if it cause of the plugin

[upper vapor]

what were you doing that was so noticeable

[royal mica]

http get request >.>

[upper vapor]

bru

[celest thorn]

God please use the method nw

provided

[upper vapor]

milyenség?

[royal mica]

no i want my server to randomly die of my incompetency

[upper vapor]

after all these years we have DotnetHttp (internal)

[royal mica]

also thats a thing?

[celest thorn]

yes.

how do you think nw contacts centrals

[royal mica]

[2025-08-25 13:09:54.193 +00:00] [STDOUT] Got a SIGSEGV while executing native code. This usually indicates
[2025-08-25 13:09:54.193 +00:00] [STDOUT] a fatal error in the mono runtime or one of the native libraries
[2025-08-25 13:09:54.193 +00:00] [STDOUT] used by your application.

[royal mica]

pigeons

[upper vapor]

pigeons

XDDD

[royal mica]

LMAO

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

HttpQuery check this

examples are Like ALL over the entire source code

so

[upper vapor]

source code?

[celest thorn]

Decompiled code

[royal mica]

Wait is Overwatch speed counter on top right client sided?

[upper vapor]

yes

[royal mica]

aw dang it

now I have to find it in Refhub then

[upper vapor]

did you want to play doom on it?

[celest thorn]

Ngl

[upper vapor]

FpcMotor.Velocity?

[celest thorn]

i want to play doom everywhere

doom deserves to be run everywhere

[upper vapor]

IRL?

[harsh thorn]

but can it run crysis

[royal mica]

nah I need the speed itself, that number specifically so I was hoping for fetching it

[harsh thorn]

pretty sure theres a GetVelocity helper on the hub

otherwise its in the fpcmotor

[royal mica]

it's a Vector3 ugh

[upper vapor]

.magnitude

or .MagnitudeIgnoreY()

[royal mica]

holy shit

thanks that, was easy

[upper vapor]

np

[spare zodiac]

was there anyone who figured out the navmesh problem of HCZ?

[celest thorn]

Too heavy

[spare zodiac]

what?

[celest thorn]

model is too heavy

to be able to do anything

too many corners

and stuff

the mesh is a disaster

[spare zodiac]

I see

well that's fucked up then

[celest thorn]

Ask nw to optimize their mesh

opse

they will never do it

[spare zodiac]

Ik that will never happen

[celest thorn]

Expect the same to happen for future updates

[spare zodiac]

yeah I'm going to start building my own map fuck this

[celest thorn]

Bro you aren't building your own

map

...

trust me

its harder than you think

[spare zodiac]

who's gonna stop me?

[celest thorn]

the lag of the game and server

trying to not destroy both of them

[spare zodiac]

@ancient walrus has me covered

[celest thorn]

You don't take in account alot of stuff

Seed

Player Culling

[spare zodiac]

you can disable the generation, so yeah

[celest thorn]

Nothing

[celest thorn]

I know that

but how do you expect everything to work fine

like generators

base game features

like the SCP-079 containment

[spare zodiac]

I don't need all base game features

[celest thorn]

good luck on not crashing the client

or the server

[spare zodiac]

I need less base game features

[celest thorn]

because ngl

for getting to the point with meow

where i can safely spawn 200k prim

on a client

its got through alot

[spare zodiac]

I trust the process

[celest thorn]

i believe in you

but at the same time i don't

want to be optimistic

but how this game is coded is hot garbage on the primitive side

[spare zodiac]

I don't think I'll exceed a lot of primitives

[celest thorn]

you will

oh and i forgot

don't pack alot of primtives

in the same spot

or else

you go to the backrooms

[spare zodiac]

you don't 💀

this is rookie mistake

have few collisions turned on

not 100+ in one spot

50 collisions in one place is enough to make you go throgh floor

[celest thorn]

when you make alot of details thats going to happen

[spare zodiac]

it is not, you simply turn off collisions

💥

[celest thorn]

but good luck

[upper vapor]

Nuke room LODs

[harsh thorn]

youd probably need to work with colliders and not meshes

with navmesh build modes

[celest thorn]

I didn't think about colliders

ngl

[harsh thorn]

cuz unity might not even be able to read the meshes

as their not set as read-write

[celest thorn]

Unity screams at the meshes

[slender lynx]

[celest thorn]

to optimize them

[spare zodiac]

am I not already working with colliders only?

lemme look

[celest thorn]

no.

[celest thorn]

Hello princess

[upper vapor]

I said it multiple times, people could just make very simple meshes for each room

[celest thorn]

fr

Save frames

saves everything

[harsh thorn]

tbf colliders also work, but the thing with the meshes is, their not set as read-write because the game doesnt need it
and setting them as read-write will just increase peoples ram/cpu for no reason

[upper vapor]

There's a LabAPI issue requesting that to be checked for HCZ assets (horrible idea)

[celest thorn]

Good idea

more lag

ngl this game is optimized like this

I will forever joke that this game runs worst than cyberpunk which is honestly incredible,

SL runs at 50 fps on the same machine where i can play cyberpunk rtx at 200 fps

[harsh thorn]

but like fr the easiest way for baking is either use meshes, or make a reconstruction of each room using primitives and bake based on that

[celest thorn]

honestly make it with primitives is the most BORING stuff ever

just one nw staff

that doesn't like a detail on a room

and its fucked

[harsh thorn]

tbf with some autism code you can probably automate the "mesh simplifier"

[celest thorn]

Honestly i prefer not

btw for the update cedmod one?

[harsh thorn]

fair enough

[harsh thorn]

procrastination (i get distracted)

[celest thorn]

nah just asking

i've been seeing it

there crying

[harsh thorn]

whar

[spare zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/scp-scpsl-mtf-ninetailfox-dead-gif-23936689

[celest thorn]

you can see there

[harsh thorn]

oh

soon™

[upper vapor]

Can i make an autism simplifier

[harsh thorn]

[upper vapor]

It can be fun when you don't have to deal with repetitive shit in Unity (it takes 2x the time to make a tool for that specific use-case)

you can make crazy details

but it requires a lot ofeffort

[unique crane]

Main issue with navmesh in HCZ is that it loves to take clutters into account

and when I build it on map gen, it was with the disabled ones too

idk why

[upper vapor]

XXXXXXXXXXXXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[celest thorn]

honestly

can we make the facility

LCZ
EZ
Surface

[spare zodiac]

make teleporters at checkpoints at EZ to LCZ

[upper vapor]

also add the famous kisser furful cat to the checkpoint

"you like going to EZ, don't you?"

[unique crane]

Dracoslayer showing us his server

(he has famour kisser furful cat at LCZ checkpoint and painting at surface)

[upper vapor]

XDDD

i didn't know they had a meow on surface

[celest thorn]

guys i have an idea

MeowOptimizer

it doesn't do anything

just lets you think it optimized the game

but in reality nothing happens

[spare zodiac]

the placebo effect ahh

[upper vapor]

it's already bundled with the game

[unique crane]

Patch server tps to always return 60

[upper vapor]

what if it's been done before

[spare zodiac]

30 for comical effect

[sinful bronze]

make max tps 10

patch tps to 60

profit

[upper vapor]

noone will notice it

only your hosting provider will

[unique crane]

Host it yourself

Problem solved

[upper vapor]

what do you call the "cover" around the lights (headlights) of a car?
like the tube it's in
eyelashes and eyebrows?

[unique crane]

what

[upper vapor]

dam very detailed

eye housing

[unique crane]

ax bringing this out of nowhere

[upper vapor]

real

what other random question would you like

[ancient walrus]

ye <3

[halcyon folio]

The source code I bet is something

[harsh thorn]

the funny part is, i run at 100something fps

[grand flower]

at what player count though

[harsh thorn]

standard server

[warped prairie]

only playercount that will get you 100fps is 0

[harsh thorn]

25

[warped prairie]

its just the host thats IT

1 host 24 dummies

[heady turret]

how can i set that player is wearing scp268 on their model? But i dont want to give them invisible effect

[grand flower]

You get lots of performance loss at 32/48 especially at wave spawns

[grand flower]

Check out the WearableSync stuff

[warped prairie]

has anyone else had issues with Fogcontrol applying to the spectator when spectating sombody with a unique one?

[slate flume]

Hm

I was sent this image as a joke but I have no idea how this is possible

And I'm honestly mad curious

Like you'd have to hide the player model but keep the items

I didn't know that was a thing

I also am uncertain of how well it would network sync

[upper vapor]

Fairly quick, depends on movement smoothing

PLEASE THOSE PEOPLE WHO RIG MODELS, TURN THAT SHIT ON

Like there's gonna be some delay either way, why can't you make it look smooth

[slate flume]

You can movement smooth primitives?

[upper vapor]

That's been a thing since their dawn

[slate flume]

Can you also smooth lightsourcetoys?

[worthy rune]

any admin toy can have movement smoothing

[slate flume]

That's so fire

I wish we could movement smooth player position overrides without waypoint toys

[celest thorn]

hello chat

[celest thorn]

I did it

you just pair it with bones with scripts

and teleport them

(with meow its not a problem at all)

idk with mer

[slate flume]

Yeah yeah stop flexing your private editor

[celest thorn]

Im not flexing

[slate flume]

If it was public then I'd get the PR

[celest thorn]

SRC?

i mean a part of it is public

[slate flume]

As in public relations

You're evil

[celest thorn]

https://github.com/AftermathServers/AToHBuilders

[tepid sluice]

Minecraft in SL