plugins-dev-chat

[upper vapor]

I agree with your statement

[celest thorn]

Bro take a break from fucking plugins

you wanna talk abour radioactive water'

WHY NOT

[upper vapor]

Oh lord they fucking supporting

[upper vapor]

Says you

[hearty shard]

you made this sound like a bad thing

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-gif-354551837658903211

[hearty shard]

😭

[upper vapor]

Idk why I typed the f word

[hearty shard]

im finding the ss

[celest thorn]

ok buddy

[upper vapor]

But I'm not gay gay

[hearty shard]

r u sure

[upper vapor]

Yes I'm sure

[upper vapor]

Are you sure secretapi is finished

[restive turret]

Never

[hearty shard]

probably

i havent

tested.....

[upper vapor]

You don't have to be sure cuz you know it isn't

[hearty shard]

in a while....

[upper vapor]

(Wip commands)

[hearty shard]

[hearty shard]

i mean

i want it

but idk if itll ever happen

💔

[slender lynx]

please do not send nazi groups in this server

[hearty shard]

NAZI????

[celest thorn]

Yes

[slender lynx]

the ss group

that is bad

do not send that

[hearty shard]

no no not the racism one

[upper vapor]

Bruh

[true cedar]

god

eve

[hearty shard]

PAISLEE

[slender lynx]

i cant believe this

[true cedar]

what has happened to u

[hearty shard]

not a lot

[slender lynx]

eve cant go one day without this tomfoolery

[true cedar]

went down a dark path

[hearty shard]

well recently

what.

[slender lynx]

exactly..

[hearty shard]

WHAT.

WHAT.

[slender lynx]

its so over..

[hearty shard]

@mild ice this is defamation pls ban

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jover-gif-16964140724042266462

[hearty shard]

anyway

that being said

[slender lynx]

@mild ice eve is defamating us pls ban

[hearty shard]

uh

...

[celest thorn]

im not the one saying a special group in chat

[upper vapor]

I don't have the joever emoji anymore :(

[hearty shard]

@true cedar i need help !!!!

[slender lynx]

what is this double standard bro

you can get us banned but the other way is just unacceptable

[true cedar]

with what

[hearty shard]

https://github.com/Misfiy/SecretAPI/pull/68/files

idk how to make this work

idk what im doing 💔

[true cedar]

screams

[restive turret]

By not making it

[celest thorn]

ask chatgpt

[upper vapor]

Step 1: don't
Uncached reflection 😭

[slender lynx]

o4-mini-high

[hearty shard]

thats fine

its a wip

the first step is having a working project

[celest thorn]

thats not fine

[upper vapor]

Are you high

[celest thorn]

even for wip

[hearty shard]

the 2nd step is performance

[upper vapor]

Or Llama distilled

[slender lynx]

it is 12 in the morning

[true cedar]

why r u

[slender lynx]

why would i be

[true cedar]

why does commandresupt

[hearty shard]

oh no!!! the wip is a bit slow!!!

[true cedar]

have the method to call

[upper vapor]

"Morning"

[hearty shard]

I DONT KNOW.

[celest thorn]

Yes...

[upper vapor]

You call noon morning

[slender lynx]

o4 mini high and codex are starting to get pretty good

[hearty shard]

oh

[celest thorn]

she lives in the usa

[hearty shard]

when its parsed i need to know what method to call with the right params

[upper vapor]

Not a reason to say "morning" to 12 pm

[slender lynx]

ive paid for premium since like january and the models it gives are worth it currently

agent is insane too

[hearty shard]

so itll pick the right one based on input

[true cedar]

heres what i would do

make like

[celest thorn]

for us its still morning we say morning to people

[true cedar]

a [Execute] attribute

[hearty shard]

i would CRY!

[restive turret]

I wish

[hearty shard]

oh

yeah why didnt i

[celest thorn]

until 1pm

[hearty shard]

do that

instead of

[slender lynx]

"12 in the morning"

[hearty shard]

ur so right

[slender lynx]

thats how english works

[hearty shard]

Pai ur the best

i still need to parse input into the correct method

and I HATE IT

[true cedar]

then u can have like
[Execute]
public CommandResult Execute(Player player1, Player player2)

[hearty shard]

ya!!

[upper vapor]

1 pm is afternoon
12 pm is noon
Before that it's morning

[restive turret]

Execute deez

[hearty shard]

this needs to be renamed actually

[celest thorn]

we just say morning lol

[hearty shard]

its internally for the parse of a specific method

[slender lynx]

yes but proper english is either "12 in the morning" or just "noon"

[celest thorn]

i didn't make the rule in italy

[hearty shard]

i think

[celest thorn]

im sorry

[hearty shard]

i forgot

[upper vapor]

"We" Italians?

[celest thorn]

Im talking about i say morning

[upper vapor]

Skull emoji

Good morning at 12pm

[celest thorn]

and its cultural for me to say it

and for maro too

[true cedar]

for enums u cna just do like

[celest thorn]

bruh

[true cedar]

enum.parse or wrv

[upper vapor]

Culture is stupid

[slender lynx]

good morning

[celest thorn]

you are stupid

[upper vapor]

It's past 12 pm for you already

🤓

[restive turret]

Morning

[celest thorn]

good night

[slender lynx]

its 12:16 right now

[true cedar]

@hearty shard also if u want c# supports attributes on arguments so u can do like

[slender lynx]

in the morning

[upper vapor]

Yeah that's not 12:00:00 pm

[slender lynx]

so

[upper vapor]

IT'S AFTER NOON

[slender lynx]

good morning

[restive turret]

It's not good

[true cedar]

public bool Execute(Player player, [MaxLength(32)] string text)

[restive turret]

Just morning

[hearty shard]

oh...

PAI

YK WHAT PISSES ME OF

F

[slender lynx]

it is only a morning now

[true cedar]

murder

systematic racism

[upper vapor]

It's literally
P M
POST meridiem

[hearty shard]

i didnt put an S at the end here

[true cedar]

oh

[hearty shard]

attributes

[slender lynx]

ok

[restive turret]

Skill issue

[true cedar]

fix it

[celest thorn]

so after 1pm

[hearty shard]

ill make the breaking change later

[true cedar]

okay

[celest thorn]

12am in THE MORNING

[hearty shard]

i need first

to have

[true cedar]

but also do this

[slender lynx]

"12 in the afternoon" is just incorrect

[hearty shard]

commands

because YUM

[hearty shard]

ok!!

[upper vapor]

12 pm
12 POST M
Bruh

[restive turret]

Isn't commands already breaking change

[upper vapor]

That's midnight

[slender lynx]

good morning

[celest thorn]

12 am

[hearty shard]

no ?

how would it be

[unique crane]

the first night

[slender lynx]

thats midnight

[restive turret]

Because it's you

[celest thorn]

david you wanna adopt skibidi dog?

because axwabo doesn't

poor dog

[restive turret]

I use 24h idc about pm / am

[celest thorn]

I hate it

i don't understand it

im sorry

[slender lynx]

anyways time dosent matter once you stay up long enough anyway

[unique crane]

no

[restive turret]

Calculate it yourself

[upper vapor]

You don't even know the 12h format works

[celest thorn]

i know it

[unique crane]

12H format sucks anyways

[celest thorn]

12 am is noon

[restive turret]

Real

[celest thorn]

12 pm is midnight

[upper vapor]

No you don't
12 PM is noon

Are you delulu

[true cedar]

@hearty shard i would also recommend letting u set up custom parsers
so maybe if u define a class that is attributed with [Parser(typeof(Player))] it'll use that

[upper vapor]

12 PM
post midday

[slender lynx]

i dont think thats how time works

[hearty shard]

oo...

[true cedar]

god

[hearty shard]

yeah!!!!

PAI

I

[true cedar]

i kinda wanna make this

[hearty shard]

UR THE BEST

[restive turret]

What i don't see why that a good thing to parse

[hearty shard]

um

you could

help me

!!

[true cedar]

player is just a placeholder

[restive turret]

Or how would you use this

[upper vapor]

How about you don't

[hearty shard]

like

[restive turret]

In real scenerio

[hearty shard]

youd want to be able to have multiple options

like eg

to parse enum

[true cedar]

user defined types

[hearty shard]

yeah!!!

[restive turret]

Like execute(player, bool, string, ulong)?

[hearty shard]

i mean that too yeah

Player sender, Player target

[true cedar]

maybe u have a customitem class and rather than using a string id every time

[hearty shard]

ill have so Player sender is forced

[true cedar]

u just put it in the customitem as an argument

[hearty shard]

to give the sender

[true cedar]

and then it automatically parses it and returns an error if it fails

[restive turret]

Haha good luck, have fun with the method getting

[true cedar]

?

[restive turret]

I mean with real param parse

Nvm

[true cedar]

huh

[restive turret]

Have fun

Will roast it if it's well done

[upper vapor]

What if it's rare

[restive turret]

Nah

[celest thorn]

Does someone know if i can disable an effect on the OnEffectUpdate and then reneable it because im trying to do an effect with the jumping but i don't think i can disable the effect but have that still running

oh wait nvm i can use update

and just disable the normal one ig

[plain gazelle]

Does anyone have the unicode symbol, or html tag, or whatever, to make a linebreak in custominfo?

hm, maybe Environment.NewLine works

[celest thorn]

yea it does

or else just do \n

[plain gazelle]

well my
customi Meow\nMeow just makes the displayed customi literally
Meow\nMeow, without any linebreak

Replacing it with Environment.NewLine doesnt seem to pass formatting checks. Didnt check error messages though, heck

.Replace("\\n", "\n"); works :D

[upper vapor]

how about <br>

also, \n should work

[ionic prawn]

what should i use when to turn on friendlyfire and off again? on round win/end

[upper vapor]

are you running on windows

cuz windows new line is \r\n

[slate flume]

^

[upper vapor]

Server.FriendlyFire

set it back on waitingforplayers

[ionic prawn]

k

RoundEnded or RoundEnding? should i turn it on

[plain gazelle]

Well the console understands it, but it doesnt get set for the Dummy, so sth fails with the formatting check

[upper vapor]

probably ended, just to make sure

[ionic prawn]

k

[upper vapor]

because in RA you literally type \n that's why you used replace

if you actually type a new line in RA it should work

[plain gazelle]

I recommend Ending
At least when i try to do anything in Ended it just never got executed lol

[upper vapor]

huh

omfg

okay yeah use ending

ended is delayed by 1.5s

[ionic prawn]

k

[upper vapor]

why

okay

use ended

[ionic prawn]

ima just use both

[upper vapor]

final answer

[upper vapor]

kek

[ionic prawn]

public override void OnServerRoundEnded(RoundEndedEventArgs ev)
{
ServerData.ResetServerData();

    Server.FriendlyFire = true;
}

public override void OnServerRoundEnding(RoundEndingEventArgs ev)
{
    Server.FriendlyFire = true;
}

public override void OnServerWaitingForPlayers()
{
    ServerData.ResetServerData(); <--

    Server.FriendlyFire = false;
}

[upper vapor]

reset data on waitingforplayers too

in case the round gets force restarted

[ionic prawn]

there is?

[upper vapor]

rr command

[severe cave]

Where is this code from? Just curious

[upper vapor]

RoundSummary

[severe cave]

Oh, never seen that

Thx tho

[unique crane]

Just reset the data on round restarting

[icy knoll]

@celest thorn would you crash out if ur server was at 59/60 tps?

[celest thorn]

i don't

but maro does

https://ratcentral.is-a-good.site/🐀/c5ghp1b3.png

Btw is this too many primitives?

and we removed some maps too

[restive turret]

That 1.1f saved me so many times

[unique crane]

Zero its SO easy

fix

Just artifically add 1 to the TPS

[celest thorn]

NO

[unique crane]

lmao just do it

[upper vapor]

yes

[celest thorn]

its faking

and being fake is horrible

[unique crane]

Would maro notice?

[celest thorn]

probably no

[unique crane]

No

[celest thorn]

[unique crane]

Would maro be happy?

Yes

[celest thorn]

but its via lying

[unique crane]

0 downsides

[celest thorn]

and she is probably rn reading this

so

https://tenor.com/view/1984-movie-projector-gif-19435282

[icy knoll]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/246 @upper vapor

@unique crane finally got round to making the gh issue 😭

[unique crane]

Making what?

[icy knoll]

look above

[celest thorn]

you know if someone has muted another player

[unique crane]

Lets see

[hearty shard]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/119

[upper vapor]

that's different

[icy knoll]

yeah

[upper vapor]

but nice

[icy knoll]

that's different lol

[hearty shard]

for the same purpose rly (yk having speaker proximity chat, but muted if a player is muted)

[celest thorn]

you know what

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/163

This still needs to be fixed lol

[upper vapor]

#1402403566932590722 this doesn't use speaker toys though

[hearty shard]

doesnt have the issue then i dont think

[upper vapor]

IsSpatial is not for reverb

[hearty shard]

if it just uses voice messages sent as a basegame player

and not dummies

[celest thorn]

But still one update they didn't

the update later they do

lol

i wanna change that

its horrible

Oh wait

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/85

From my suggestion the Waypoint Toy is from

i just realized

[upper vapor]

why was this changed from a constant?
it's not a constant anymore despite it saying so
some plugins depended on the constant to set RequiredVersion but new plugin builds will not be reliable
-# i know, i know, requiredversion is not used but like come on

[restive turret]

Yes

Big change

[upper vapor]

you can see who hates who

[restive turret]

I also would like add volume slider for each player

[upper vapor]

eeehhhh

not impossible

but you need to use speaker toys then

[grand flower]

Don't worry, maybe in 5 years

You still can't mute 939 mimicry

[restive turret]

Lel

[upper vapor]

reál

[restive turret]

Would be good if you can make them louder

Because sometimes I not hear people say anything even when im next to them

[upper vapor]

just fix their mic

[restive turret]

Ye personally broking into their house, slapping their microphone

[pallid galleon]

[slender lynx]

[slate flume]

Sooo guys

Is it just me or did 14.1.3 break some stuff

[vast canopy]

not only u

so ye

thats normal

[slate flume]

Namely the fact that I started getting reports where people's gun attachments are randomly changing

And one user reported their magazine keeps getting removed from their gun randomly

[unique crane]

No reports of that

can you replicate it on non-modded server

[hearty shard]

the what now

i have not seen that

although i only get 5-16 players

not above so if itts an issue with like 48 player servers idk

but CT afaik hasnt had bug report on it either

[pallid galleon]

I've had issues forever where the sight picture keeps changing on my guns lol

[celest thorn]

Helo chat

[slate flume]

Great question
I don't really know how to replicate but I'll look into it

I don't do anything with weapon attachments so it shouldn't be my end but I'll look into it

[slate flume]

Same except for me it's been just the AK

[slate flume]

This was what one of the staff members sent me

[unique crane]

Sorry but I wouldnt be surprised if it was some plugin thing

[slate flume]

Fair I just

Don't know what it could possibly be

This is the only place I touch attachments

The only other maybe possible instance is my hitreg patch

I never do anything else anywhere in the plugin with attachments

And this issue only started happening in 14.1.3

If I fucked with attachments in my plugin I wouldn't be talking about it here but I straight up don't

[grand flower]

Attachments are per serial afaik so maybe you have multiple weapons with the same serial or something

[slate flume]

I never modify an item's serials

I create items but I never modify an item to have a different serial

[royal mica]

Do you by any chance replace a player with copying over inventory?

IF you copy items 1:1 to a new player, if you change the attachements on it, it'll change the attachment on the original owner's kit

like if you move an item from Player A to Player B

and Player B changes attachements, it'll be persisted in Player A's attachment settings

[slate flume]

Nope :/

[slate flume]

Never had any issues until now

[winged meteor]

Paislee I have v3 suggestions

Add a remove by element

[slate flume]

This would do what?

[winged meteor]

Uhh idk but would be cool

Would be usefully for my item system

[static meteor]

Make a pr

[winged meteor]

Wat

Oh yeah

Uhhhh

Mabye

[slate flume]

Would it be bad of me to make a LabAPI request that they change the way effects are handled

It would be so nice to have concurrent effects instead of single-instance

That way a player can stack movement boost effects

And that kind of shit

[hearty shard]

ur best off writing ur own system

[slate flume]

The problem is

That's gonna require patching NW stuff

[hearty shard]

Yes

its smth me and CT are both gonna do

[slate flume]

That sounds so awful

[hearty shard]

perchance

[slate flume]

I might have to do that though

The only other way I can think of is creating my own effects

[true cedar]

brights did something like that

[slate flume]

But I don't think it'd sync

[hearty shard]

ya

u cant sync movement stuff

or other stuff

you can only do server specific stuff in them

[grand flower]

you can make your own custom effects using NW's system

but yeah they won't sync

so anything that affects movement or well, clientside stuff, will probably cause rubberbanding

or just not apply to clients, like recoil reduction and all

[slate flume]

Okay well

I think I got my own effects manager thing and it works in testing but I'm gonna have to patch a bunch of items lmao

My code also sucks

So there's that

[slate flume]

Oh hey!

Think I found a new LabAPI bug

[grand flower]

what is it

[slate flume]

Effects overhaul when?

[hearty shard]

already asked for it and honestly idk if itll happen

Syncing it would require making every effect thing have a sync thing and ik nw isnt rly interested in smth like that due to complications

its already been requested a million times lol

Wait til 2030

[slate flume]

Yeah but like c'monnnnnn it'd be cool

[hearty shard]

how would you sync every effect

[grand flower]

It would be, but the game's really not built with modding in mind

[hearty shard]

yea

[grand flower]

like, yeah it has a modding api

but it's really not supposed to be exceedingly moddable

[hearty shard]

also nice color change

[grand flower]

or well, built that way

sweet

[slate flume]

Can we just remake the entirety of SL

[hearty shard]

Go ahead

[grand flower]

Funnily enough I'm working/planning mod-exposed effects for a project of mine

[hearty shard]

If you got free time ur free to

[slate flume]

But then I'd have to learn a game engine

[hearty shard]

yea

[grand flower]

I will say it is a very complex problem to solve right

I'd have to check how NW networks the base game effects

i wonder if they have prediction of any sort for them

or they're just very lenient with the movement stuff

probably the case

[hearty shard]

Theyre synced based on their position

In array

[grand flower]

nah i meant like

if the server applies a movement boost

the movement of the client (prediction) won't match the server

[hearty shard]

yea....

Desync will happen during that time

[grand flower]

the stuff I use for my projects handles that so I'm not worried in my case

either way SL's movement handling for a shooter is a little... peculiar

definitely not how most fps games would do it

[slate flume]

Check PlayerEffectsController::ServerSyncEffect

[hearty shard]

yes its that

Anyway

Sl moment

[grand flower]

NW would need to rewrite a good chunk of the game to get it better

atp they probably don't have the time or money to do so

[true cedar]

thats what tags are for

u can also just use 2 tags if u need to remove like specific text

[winged meteor]

still would be useful for remove by element ngl for my item system

[hearty shard]

thats what tags were added for

You give it an id and then remove that id

[true cedar]

^

[true cedar]

wdym

what r u doing

[winged meteor]

I tried using AddTime() thingy or smth idk and it wouldn't work so I wait 3 seconds and remove a thing which causes issues.

so it will remove randomly on accident

[static meteor]

[winged meteor]

HEH

[true cedar]

are u using v2

[winged meteor]

yuh

I know

no support!

[true cedar]

honestly

id prob just use v3 maybe

[winged meteor]

how much different is it?

[true cedar]

its just a lot easier to use

it might be a bit buggier

[teal junco]

i just figured out a fire idea for a car plugin

@spare zodiac do u mind if i bounce the concept off you?

[upper vapor]

I support this statement

[slate flume]

Literally

Anyone who's looked at CustomLiteNetLib4MirrorTransport::ProcessConnectionRequest can probably agree

[grand flower]

mmm yes let me look at the low level network transport code

that isn't indicative of SL's state codebase wise

[slate flume]

It's really bad

[grand flower]

that's decompiled code

[slate flume]

Fair point

I mean I'm looking at a ton of nested if statements

Variables that mean nothing to me

Just like

[grand flower]

that's not indicative of bad

and again it's decompiled code

[slate flume]

It may not make the code BAD per-say but it makes it really really hard to read

[grand flower]

decompiled code does that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

SL's codebase sucks but not for that heh

[slate flume]

It's lost a lot of cohesion that I wonder if it's all because of decompilation or if part of it is that it's poorly structured in the original too

[grand flower]

likely to be the decompiler

even then, who cares about the low level networking stuff

[slate flume]

I got it cause I was looking into the Preauthenticating/Preauthenticated events

[upper vapor]

it is cuz it's one fucking method that's like 600+ lines

[slate flume]

Real SHIT

[grand flower]

depends on the method and what needs to be done

for low level stuff i'd rather do that than have additional method calls

especially for transport

[upper vapor]

someone who wants to modify it

[grand flower]

tends to be a hot path and you don't want the overhead of method calls

[upper vapor]

"hot path" which is not that hot i don't think
you don't get a connection request every frame throughout the server's lifetime (hopefully xd)

[grand flower]

depends ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper vapor]

if you're getting fancy ddosed, probably

[grand flower]

that would be one scenario

in any case, SL's codebase sucks for the way things are structured, not code style

[upper vapor]

can you look at the code style

[grand flower]

not really with the decompiler

[upper vapor]

but yeah i agree with structuring being ass in places

[grand flower]

ass everywhere

the RPC abuse makes me ill

[upper vapor]

can we stop doing that

[grand flower]

tell NW I don't work for them

[upper vapor]

and also stop using "ProcessRpcTemplate" and "ProcessRpcInstance"

[grand flower]

p sure that's probs autogenerated code

[upper vapor]

[grand flower]

tbh that's my #1 issue

#2 is relative positioning

[teal junco]

whats up with relative positioning?

it seems like a really neat concept thatd be hard to pull off

i remember trying to add relative positioning to one of my scratch platformers when i was 9 and getting angry and giving up

[upper vapor]

it's horrible to work with

just give me a vector3 and an optional parent id

smh

not a waypoint id

[grand flower]

creative but bad solution to a problem NW created in the first place

or well, didn't plan ahead for

or both idk

[teal junco]

the problem being elevators that teleport you?

[grand flower]

the whole movement system

instead of waypoints and stuff it should really just be movement based on either the world or a gameobject

so base (or lackthereof meaning world) position + player position relative to it = actual position

base can be an elevator when needed

[teal junco]

alright, i fail to see how that differs from the current waypoints

[grand flower]

I really doubt any other game does it this way

and if they do, it's probably due to the same problem with the same solution that's really just extremely bad in the long run

the cost of it for one

the limitations

[teal junco]

cost like performance wise? or what?

[grand flower]

having to convert to/from relative position to actual position

[teal junco]

oh okay

[grand flower]

actual position to relative position means looping through all waypoints and finding the closest one

and probably some more checks i dont remember

[teal junco]

when it should just always be actual position and a base that's always readily accessible i guess?

[grand flower]

yeah should really just be a vector3

either floats or doubles, doesn't matter

and the network identity of the base (or none if world)

[teal junco]

wait so are you telling me the waypoint isnt already implicitly stored somewhere?

[grand flower]

you'd have to store waypoints for every possible position in the world

caching those is unrealistic (at least the way it's setup right now)

so when making a relative position from a position it has to loop through all waypoints

[teal junco]

*meaning you'd have to calculate what waypoint is relevant for a given position?

[teal junco]

interesting

[grand flower]

yes

[teal junco]

i kind of assumed it was a collider set to trigger based on the waypoint toy

[upper vapor]

what do you think about this
not the best with collider triggers at high speeds but that can be improved

[teal junco]

maybe thats how the toys work idk

[grand flower]

i mean, you really don't need triggers

you can just check what's under the player

with a margin of leniency for when the player is a little bit above it (jumping etc)

[upper vapor]

yeah, i was just lazy with it, triggerenter/triggerexit worked well enough for my use case

[grand flower]

SL's movement needs to realistically be rewritten from scratch

[upper vapor]

[upper vapor]

like just have a set of moving platforms
and check if any contains the player

you still need to do some transforming to account for rotation but otherwise it would definitely be better than what we have rn

[teal junco]

i assume he means like the player raycasts like a meter downwards to tell what object it's attached to

[grand flower]

If grounded, can just check what they're on and make it the player's base (if permitted, not everything should be a base)

once you have a base, just keep checking you're grounded on it, or up to X centimeters/meters above it

tada, elevators, platforms, players, whatever works

as long as the client & server can both identify the base

[upper vapor]

"what they're on"
is that needed though
for regular objects we can have world space movement
only moving platforms would need to be bounds checked

[teal junco]

i wonder how they programmed physics and players to follow a waypoint but still act like theyre stationary

[grand flower]

yes

you need to know what they're on and if it's a valid base

[teal junco]

i mean cant it just ignore the check if its not a base*

and just let the player navigate in world space

[grand flower]

it's not just platforms, with this anything referenceable by the client & server can be a base

could stand on a player

a vehicle

as long as the server agrees with you changing base, the client won't see any issues

because even if the vehicle is moving at mach 10, the player's position relative to it won't change

so no rubberbanding, no disagreements

bonus points if the base is deterministic when it can move

if you can rollback a base at X time when the server performs a client's movement, you can easily check if they made it onto the base or not

elevators would be easy since you know when the elevator started moving, the time it takes to reach its destination

so from a timestamp you can rollback the elevator to where it was for the player at the time they moved

[teal junco]

cant most objects store the past second or so for similar purposes to this

[grand flower]

for players it's what you'd do

[teal junco]

idk if SL implements this but i learned about this trick for CS

[grand flower]

a history of move at X time, buffer it for some time

elevators don't need it because you can just check from the timestamp if you know when it last started moving and the last start/end positions

[teal junco]

this is interesting

[restive turret]

@slate flume
https://github.com/MirrorNetworking/Mirror

This is a non decompiled code

[spare zodiac]

absulutely not, I would love to see you create it and then see your progress

[slate flume]

Doesn't have

At least

Not that I'm immediately seeing from the github search

[restive turret]

Yes bc thaty ns

Nw

[teal junco]

okay my idea is to have the car config to be stored as a schematic, plus some stats like speed and stuff. in the schematic, i put primitives with special names, like "driverseat" to use as triggers for the plugin. and then when the car spawns, it spawns the schematic, and then replaces the specially named objects with triggers. and if youre in the driver seat for example, you get SS keybinds to move the car.

it might be convoluted of an explanation but i have a pretty good idea of how I might make it.

[grand flower]

you're not gonna get any sort of prediction

unless you have 0 ping it's gonna be a puke fest

[upper vapor]

why

you just movement smooth the parent

of the waypoint

[grand flower]

oh right waypoint toy

yeah this is giving me a migraine but would probably work?

[restive turret]

I think in unity you can use a downward trace or something, i know godot can cus i seen it

[grand flower]

still wouldn't get prediction so your input to the vehicle would be delayed, not that much of an issue though

yeah all engines can

[restive turret]

Well yeah, atp need full rewrite in systems if wanna do full support for modding, that doesn't involve stuff like downloading from the server

[grand flower]

NW won't ever anyway

[teal junco]

yeah, part of why i struggled to think of a solution

[restive turret]

Messages can be syncvars, prob solve like most of issues?

[grand flower]

would still require rewriting most of the game

[teal junco]

so my plan is to have the cars have a bit of slidiness (acceleration + deceleration) to make up for a delay between input and movement

it wouldnt solve it at all but gives a tiny buffer to make it slightly less noticable

[restive turret]

Yes, i dont think like they do it

Probably not for like 3 year or so

[grand flower]

eh, not expecting it at all

[restive turret]

With great pressure

[grand flower]

why bother

[restive turret]

Ye just try remake sl, I think taj can talk about it

[teal junco]

i think this can be achieved if i figure out how to use lerp or something. actual physics might be hard to work with, idk

[grand flower]

the tech debt of SL is so high at this point that yeah, making your own game would probably be faster

[teal junco]

more than one person has tried

[restive turret]

Making your own game?

Ye some successeded

[teal junco]

no, like making an SL clone haha

[restive turret]

Ah

[teal junco]

someday I will make a game too

[restive turret]

I trying

[teal junco]

modding SL gives more immediate reward though

for my brain

[restive turret]

But i need to rewrite basicly everything since i choose an engine that doesn't have any networking stuff

[restive turret]

As said yesterday I'm the opposite

[grand flower]

SL isn't a hard game to create

mechanically

[teal junco]

i mean yeah

[upper vapor]

account for friction too

[teal junco]

from what i can tell it is in a lot of ways identical to vrc in an abstract way

[restive turret]

Ah yes, create a Minecraft boat in ice

[teal junco]

at that point i would just attach a rigidbody and call it a day

well maybe i should do that

and forget to add rotation constraints and have real car crashes

[teal junco]

its a 3d first person multiplayer with proximity VOIP, guns, items, and a faction system

ive never seen an SL clone add UnitName property to the humans though

[upper vapor]

i guess yeah

[teal junco]

scp echoes pls

ive seen rigidbodies act really janky when it comes to clients recieving them. but maybe it might turn out acceptable

[upper vapor]

set movement smoothing to like 30 and it should be fine

[celest thorn]

Hello chat

[restive turret]

Hello cat

[celest thorn]

Does someone know a possible solution to this the player can spam jump and like it gets really junky how could i prevent to run if someone is spam jumping

    public override void OnEffectUpdate()
    {
        if (Owner.RoleBase is not IFpcRole role)
            return;
        if (!role.FpcModule.IsGrounded)
        {
           //Adding Effect
        }
        else
        {
          //Removing Effect
        }
        base.OnEffectUpdate();
    }

because i saw that adding an effect takes a bit and removing it too

so it gets this junky effect

[grand flower]

Just give them a temporary movement penalty if they jump too often in a short span

stained/sinkhole

[celest thorn]

nah thats not a solution

i just need to semi prevent it

[grand flower]

reduce their jump power

you can't really do it the way you're thinking of

[celest thorn]

Its just what i don't want i just would prevent it

in case

[grand flower]

you can't prevent jumping

[celest thorn]

No i know that

but like prevent the effect from being removed

[grand flower]

maybe just remove the effect if it's been applied for more than X seconds

[celest thorn]

i could check if the player is not grounded and then remove it after the second check

so if the player is still not grounded that means they are still spam jumping?

[grand flower]

depends

could be falling from a height

[celest thorn]

I just need a reliable way to tell if a player is doing that but i cannot think of anything

[grand flower]

check their vertical velocity

perhaps

more reliable solutions would probably require patching to hook into the movement stuff

and handle the player jumping on the server

[celest thorn]

im testing something else

nope it didn't work

[obtuse spruce]

can i use SIMD in a plugin ?

[upper vapor]

spans

[obtuse spruce]

for a voicechat processing i cant use Vector<float> ?

[upper vapor]

oh

i don't think that's possible

[obtuse spruce]

Unity didnt support it ?

[upper vapor]

what absurd processing do you need to use SIMD

effects?

[obtuse spruce]

just switch the volume in a ReceivingVoiceMessage. I think instead i can cache the voice with the voice switch and if a player need to hear the volume switch i use this i guess

Actually with decode, 480 for loop, and encode. When i have too many players it make the voicechat laggy

[upper vapor]

well, you have to decode, process and encode it
you can't SIMD the unmanaged calls
so unless you're writing a SIMD-compatible opus library in C#, it won't be possible

you can SIMD the volume processing but multiplying floats has pretty much 0 overhead

[obtuse spruce]

its like 78ns processing but more player i have more laggy is the voicechat cuz i do that operation in ReceivingVoiceMessage

[upper vapor]

the issue isn't the amplifying part, it's opus

[celest thorn]

is bro trying to make a super computer on SL?

[restive turret]

Good luck with remaking opus in c#

[obtuse spruce]

On the decode and encoding method ?

[upper vapor]

yes

[restive turret]

Yes usually those calls unmanaged code, inside the opus.dll

[upper vapor]

just rewrite the voice chat system to send raw samples

[obtuse spruce]

i can try by directly manipulate byte[] ? or dumb decision

[restive turret]

Not like it matters you gonna need to get the raw anyway troll

[upper vapor]

no

it's compressed

[upper vapor]

2 KB per voice packet

[modern lark]

Opus Handler, I cry

[restive turret]

Just don't say many things

[obtuse spruce]

Well...... so actually my only way to try to optimize that shit is by making this process one time for each speaker and apply that cached data for valid players ?

[restive turret]

Don't know what you cache or what you do

[upper vapor]

Decode: 00:00:00.0000254 Amplify: 00:00:00.0000014 Encode: 00:00:00.0000679 Total: 00:00:00.0000947
cold start: Decode: 00:00:00.0016233 Amplify: 00:00:00.0000047 Encode: 00:00:00.0009314 Total: 00:00:00.0025594

[modern lark]

512bits with 96Khz :3

[upper vapor]

how about you don't amplify the volume of every player

[upper vapor]

why not 8.1 surround at 128 kHz

[obtuse spruce]

i reduce the volume

0.2f

[upper vapor]

but why 😭

[restive turret]

Why not increase

[obtuse spruce]

192khz at 24bits seem better

[restive turret]

By 1.8

[obtuse spruce]

Whisper effect

if a player whisper and im not inside the area i hear the voice with whisper effect

[upper vapor]

copium

[restive turret]

248kHz at 64 bit

[obtuse spruce]

Lets have directly the voicechat with .wav or .mp3

[upper vapor]

mp3 is still compressed

[obtuse spruce]

more compressed than a ogg ?

[upper vapor]

no

but you need to encode/decode

[restive turret]

.flac

[obtuse spruce]

lmao

[upper vapor]

.webm

[obtuse spruce]

.mp4 directly

[restive turret]

.mkv

[upper vapor]

mov with gopro cinema codec that supports alpha (raw)

no

sequence of .bmp files

[restive turret]

Bullet per minute file

[upper vapor]

😭

[obtuse spruce]

i think if NW add a possibility to change the AudioSource volume of the player it could be bette. I think sending a fake DirtyBit is more fast than making a Decode and Encode

[upper vapor]

yes

[restive turret]

Yes

Audiomixer and can edit it

Would be goated

[upper vapor]

PLEASE

[modern lark]

or just increase the Clamp()

[upper vapor]

and let me modify the spatial curve of speaker toys

[restive turret]

@davidsebesta please

[obtuse spruce]

I hope NW gonna fix their Audiomixer btw cuz actually we cant hear Icom or when a lot of players talk at the same time

[upper vapor]

GL telling unity that xd

[obtuse spruce]

and apply the audio muffling like the water fall

[upper vapor]

pov ducking

[restive turret]

Duck me

🦆

[obtuse spruce]

lets make stackalloc for voicechat

[celest thorn]

someone smart knows the craziest answer how could i detect if a player is spam jumping?

[upper vapor]

doesn't help

[obtuse spruce]

recoding opus lib in rust

[upper vapor]

ah hell nawh

[restive turret]

Check the jump message time

[celest thorn]

wdym?

what is that

[upper vapor]

Time.time

insane

[celest thorn]

Oh i did that

but nope

[restive turret]

I would use DateTimeOffset

[upper vapor]

no don't

[obtuse spruce]

btw i can just cache the DataLength of the voicemessage ?

[upper vapor]

that's very slow

[celest thorn]

       protected override void OnEffectUpdate()
        {
            if (!(Hub.roleManager.CurrentRole is IFpcRole role))
                return;

            var jump = role.FpcModule.Motor.JumpController;
            if (jump.WantsToJump)
                return;

            bool grounded = role.FpcModule.IsGrounded;
            if (grounded != _wasGrounded)
            {
                if (_lastChangeTime == 0f)
                    _lastChangeTime = Time.time;

                if (Time.time - _lastChangeTime >= 0.05f)
                {
                    if (!grounded)
                    {
                        Hub.playerEffectsController.DisableEffect<Lightweight>();
                        role.FpcModule.Motor.GravityController.Gravity = FpcGravityController.DefaultGravity * 2.7f;
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        Hub.playerEffectsController.ChangeState<Lightweight>(255);
                        role.FpcModule.Motor.GravityController.Gravity = FpcGravityController.DefaultGravity * Intensity;
                    }

                    _wasGrounded = grounded;
                    _lastChangeTime = 0f;
                }
            }
            else
            {
                _lastChangeTime = 0f;
            }

            base.OnEffectUpdate();
        }

[upper vapor]

use Stopwatch.GetTimestamp()

[celest thorn]

This is what im doing

[restive turret]

Why not sub to PlayerJumped?

[upper vapor]

you reset last change time

[celest thorn]

because im doing it as an effect

[restive turret]

Aaand?

[celest thorn]

that looks ass

[upper vapor]

so it doesn't apply to >2 subsequent jumps

[restive turret]

You look ass

[celest thorn]

and i need to know if the player is falling

[restive turret]

That if statement is ass

[celest thorn]

Yea i know thats an issue

[celest thorn]

Bro im trying to do it then the pretty part will come later

[upper vapor]

just set _lastChangeTIme to Time.time after the statemnts

[upper vapor]

write it pretty from the start

[celest thorn]

    public override void OnEffectUpdate()
    {
        if (!(Hub.roleManager.CurrentRole is IFpcRole role))
            return;

        var jump = role.FpcModule.Motor.JumpController;
        if (jump.WantsToJump)
            return;

        bool grounded = role.FpcModule.IsGrounded;
        if (grounded != _wasGrounded)
        {
            if (_lastChangeTime == 0f)
                _lastChangeTime = Time.time;

            if (Time.time - _lastChangeTime >= 0.05f)
            {
                if (!grounded)
                {
                    Hub.playerEffectsController.DisableEffect<Lightweight>();
                    role.FpcModule.Motor.GravityController.Gravity = FpcGravityController.DefaultGravity * 2.7f;
                }
                else
                {
                    Hub.playerEffectsController.ChangeState<Lightweight>(255);
                    role.FpcModule.Motor.GravityController.Gravity = FpcGravityController.DefaultGravity * Intensity;
                }

                _wasGrounded = grounded;
                _lastChangeTime = 0f;
            }
        }

        _lastChangeTime = Time.time;

        base.OnEffectUpdate();
    }

So like this?

Oh wait the other if statement lol

[upper vapor]

yes

[restive turret]

Then have fun, i said how would i do it , refused wll then gl

Also whats that effect bruh 😭

[celest thorn]

Yea now its the opposite of the problem

now it doesn't remove it

[celest thorn]

black magic

[restive turret]

I cast divide light

[celest thorn]

Now i do have the opposite of the issue, so the effect doesn't get removed

Oh wait i think i solved it

[obtuse spruce]

did some of you have already encounter a bug that when you spawn a lot of speakerToy (5-8) it make player audio weird. the spatialization can be reversed like sound of right sound on the left and sound in front of you sound on the back etc...

[restive turret]

Yes

Heard someone had that issue before

[upper vapor]

because that's how audio works?

well, human sound perception

[obtuse spruce]

no no you didnt understand. the audio of the game for clients it completely reversed

L <=> R
F <=> B

[upper vapor]

what the

show the positions of the speakers

[restive turret]

It's in my

[obtuse spruce]

i have one on Vector3.zero not spatial and somes random in Heavy Containment zone with isSpatial. But it affect all the audio of the game for one client or more. Its not for everyone. But affect Footstep. SpeakerToy itself. Player voice etc etc

[restive turret]

Character

[obtuse spruce]

oh yeah cuz i probably set the parent of the SpeakerToy on my player.Gameobject

[upper vapor]

because someone at northwood (or at unity) decided that ducking should be done on SEPARATE STEREO CHANNELS

so if you have loud footsteps on the left then it ducks the left channel only???????

like wtf how did you accomplish that

CASSIE is affected too, sometimes it just pans to the left cuz on the right there are loud sounds

[obtuse spruce]

No it just reverse the whole audiomixer

R became L
L became R
F became B
B became F

[obtuse spruce]

what u mean by ducking cuz im french without this kind of languages inside my knowledges

[restive turret]

🦆

[upper vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJYN4_jUIQs

[obtuse spruce]

Oh ok volume priority ?

[upper vapor]

it's only been an issue since unity 6

[upper vapor]

kinda

if CASSIE is yapping then other sounds will be quieter

[obtuse spruce]

Of that explain the ICOM broken and the violent ducking

[restive turret]

I hate Cassie

[upper vapor]

voice chat has uh

something

it's a separate system for making sure total volume isn't above 5

[obtuse spruce]

Me waiting for FSR and we cant lie at me im pretty sure that HDRP permit that

[celest thorn]

i want to scream in the voice chat

[upper vapor]

this doesn't have anything to do with unity's stereo ducking

[obtuse spruce]

bruhhh

[upper vapor]

do you want all 20 screaming kids to remove your eardrums

[celest thorn]

imagine screaming so loud that your unity crashes

[unique crane]

Removing clamp wouldnt do anything as it seems that Unity itself clamps it internally

[celest thorn]

patch unity

[obtuse spruce]

Lets make a code that ban people who have a loudness of 1.0f

[upper vapor]

yeah patch the c++ runtime

[celest thorn]

yea why not

lets patch everything

[upper vapor]

wrong reply

[celest thorn]

lol

[unique crane]

wait

wait wait wait

VoiceChatPlaybackBase.VolumeScale

whats that

[upper vapor]

volume scale for

the playback

so if you changed it for speakers

it would be fixed :3

[unique crane]

Yea

looking at it

It seems to be the case

[upper vapor]

also the correction isn't the square root of 2

i amplified the voice message by 1.414..., send it through the toy and it's not the same volume as "regular" voice chat

maybe someone changed speakers to be quieter

[obtuse spruce]

Speaker priority is...

[worn gull]

Hi! Is it possible to load Server-Specific Settings only for some players?

[upper vapor]

#1339704289291141130

[obtuse spruce]

So fast god damn

[upper vapor]

lmfao

[obtuse spruce]

bro has a streamdeck with somes macro

[upper vapor]

it's called

"follow post"

[obtuse spruce]

its not against NW team but i really hope LabApi will be fully stable and didnt gonna encounter a huge rework like NWAPI

[unique crane]

LabApi is planned to be supported long term

[obtuse spruce]

Actually the whole life of my server turn on LabApi i have removed my whole wrappers to trust LabApi

[upper vapor]

me who still uses ReferenceHub almost everywhere in a big project

[restive turret]

Me when he references my hub

[obtuse spruce]

I hope btw it is planned to use compiled Lambda instead of Reflexion for the CustomDataStore ? Not sure that not the most CPU Friendly

[upper vapor]

he? who's he? he, who is referencing

[obtuse spruce]

by default i do that too but too lazy to make Player.Get and stuff like that when i need it

[restive turret]

X3rt's pr has some cool changes

[celest thorn]

david can i ask you something spam jumping is detected by the server and how does the server detect it?

because im going crazy on how to detect it

[upper vapor]

is customdatastore reflection-based

[unique crane]

wdym?

[obtuse spruce]

Yea

[upper vapor]

copium

[celest thorn]

you know you can jump and then spam jump like do small jumps

[obtuse spruce]

typeof().GetMethod

[upper vapor]

[unique crane]

what

[celest thorn]

do i need to make a video?

[unique crane]

yea

I dont understand what do you mean

[obtuse spruce]

Anticheat

[upper vapor]

like jump off on a ledge?

[obtuse spruce]

Anticheat when a random pickup an item at 500m distance

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.is-a-good.site/🐀/mcwqc2gr.mp4

[grave eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[unique crane]

Thats just you jumping with heavy footed effect no?

or high gravity

[upper vapor]

should be

[celest thorn]

Im doing this

    public override void OnEffectUpdate()
    {
        if (!(Hub.roleManager.CurrentRole is IFpcRole role))
            return;

        var jump = role.FpcModule.Motor.JumpController;
        if (jump.WantsToJump)
        {
            if (Time.time < _nextJumpTime)
                jump.WantsToJump = false;
            else
                _nextJumpTime = Time.time + 0.25f;
        }

        bool grounded = role.FpcModule.IsGrounded;

        role.FpcModule.Motor.GravityController.Gravity = FpcGravityController.DefaultGravity * (grounded ? Intensity : 2.7f);

        if (grounded != _wasGrounded)
        {
            if (_lastChangeTime == 0f)
                _lastChangeTime = Time.time;

            if (Time.time - _lastChangeTime >= 0.05f)
            {
                if (grounded)
                    Hub.playerEffectsController.ChangeState<Lightweight>(255);
                else
                    Hub.playerEffectsController.DisableEffect<Lightweight>();

                _wasGrounded = grounded;
                _lastChangeTime = 0f;
            }
        }
        else
        {
            _lastChangeTime = 0f;
        }
        base.OnEffectUpdate();
    }

its an effect

[upper vapor]

"jump.WantsToJump = false"

[grave eagle]

[upper vapor]

idk if that does anything

[celest thorn]

no it doesn't do ANYTHING

just wanted to see

[upper vapor]

role.FpcModule.Motor.GravityController.Gravity = FpcGravityController.DefaultGravity * (grounded ? Intensity : 2.7f);

[celest thorn]

lol

[upper vapor]

if they're grounded you make the gravity based on intensity

so

[celest thorn]

Yea i know

but the intensity is 1

so

[unique crane]

Yeah I think that property is client side

[restive turret]

Tbh sometimes I NEED reflection
https://github.com/KadavasKingdom/LabApiExtensions/blob/main/Extensions/CustomDataStoreManagerExtended.cs

[unique crane]

WantsToJump

[celest thorn]

BRUH

[upper vapor]

then

2.7f multiplier

is pretty strong

[celest thorn]

How tf do i detect WHEN A PLAYER WANTS TO JUMP

[upper vapor]

that's why you have it

[celest thorn]

i know but i need to know if a player wants to jump

because if i know that

[upper vapor]

check the uh

[celest thorn]

then i can just fix this issue

[upper vapor]

there's literally a property that you set to false

[unique crane]

Check the received message

[celest thorn]

how?

[upper vapor]

yes

[celest thorn]

do i need to patch time 20

[upper vapor]

look in FpcMotor

[restive turret]

Yes

[celest thorn]

...

im gonna explode

[grave eagle]

[obtuse spruce]

that not a bad thing. Reflection is usefull but i have a huge problems when we talk about useless performance consuming when we can do something more fast without a lot of times

[upper vapor]

when

OnPlayerJumped event

first event in additions

[unique crane]

@celest thorn FpcFromClientMessage

Oh wait

that sets WantsToJump

[celest thorn]

yea

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

is that not good

[celest thorn]

i need it as an effect

bruh

[upper vapor]

omg

just subscribe to the event 😭

[restive turret]

Sometimes reflection can be good, but as said I need reflection in some cases and this exactly when.
For example I can create a dictionary that has a type of my own DataStore, without reflections I cannot create or add players into it