plugins-dev-chat

[celest thorn]

performance

[upper vapor]

HSM creates threads for every player

[celest thorn]

fr

[upper vapor]

not once did we have a conversation about how threads kill performance

and are unnecessary

[celest thorn]

5 players i was doing 50 tps with ruei im doing fine 60

[teal junco]

i dont know what exactly causes primitives to take a toll on the tps, is it mostly sending messages?

[upper vapor]

for hints

[icy knoll]

HSM decides to make their whole thing async for no fucking reason… especially on unity…

[slate flume]

Interesting

[celest thorn]

free will

if you can why not

[upper vapor]

partially that
also because of transform updates if the primitive isn't static
idk who decided to write ServerUpdate and ClientUpdate
but they get the transform in the same method repeatedly
luckily Hubert fixed it :3

[slate flume]

Interesting

[celest thorn]

hope next update brings everything

[teal junco]

im waiting on ruei v3 because i want it to have compat with base hints

[celest thorn]

that i've asked like santa clause

[slate flume]

Next update will fix every bug

Trust

[teal junco]

interesting

[celest thorn]

Im using v3

And its amazing

Easy

From crying of pain to crying of joy

[teal junco]

does it have basegame hint stuff

[celest thorn]

Yes

[teal junco]

oh fire

[celest thorn]

But its all manually written rn

Its usable rn alot

For my use case it is

And its stable enough

No jitter, no real problems

(But the version on git rn its broken)

[teal junco]

primitives are shit optimized but luckily you can take pretty basic steps to work it to a usable state if you really need to

[celest thorn]

20k prim 100 fps and server doing 60/60

so yea you can

[upper vapor]

i did with sloc (to some extent)

and i'm not doing insane stuff unlike Zero

[teal junco]

yours doesnt really count

because it isnt basic steps

[celest thorn]

Why!

Im insane???

You guys are meanie

[teal junco]

anyways

[upper vapor]

https://github.com/Axwabo/slocLoader/blob/labapi/slocLoader/AdminToyPatch.cs

[celest thorn]

Im offended ;(

[upper vapor]

whoever wrote 3 transform calls in the same method

i'm mad

[celest thorn]

Ahahahahh

Ask david for the git blame

Ig

So we can harrass the dude who did it

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

I don’t wanna imagine if that is just one of the problem

How much this game could be improved

[teal junco]

ive seen primitive culling that doesnt tank tps, and if i make collisions ultra simplified and all other primitives non collidable or client side then itll be pretty good for 99% of use cases

[celest thorn]

Im telling you meow is like 100% what people want for optimization

I got dms of people wanting to buy it

Because its crazy good

[teal junco]

i also raw dogged a mostly unoptimized map with like 70 fps and 60 tps with just MER. it is however pretty small so i dont have much data on anything bigger.

[celest thorn]

And for cases like normal server or other like roleplay this is perfect

[slate flume]

Meow?

[celest thorn]

MeowEditor (private editor i made)

[slate flume]

Oh interesting

[celest thorn]

Mer was doing with a simpler map 3k 30tps in a ryzen 9 last gen 3D

So imagine

[slate flume]

If Terry Davis was an SCP:SL dev would he be more sane or less sane?

[celest thorn]

More sane

[upper vapor]

how many primitives

[teal junco]

the map i have is probably 2-3k+ prims

i dont have an exact number

[celest thorn]

I have it its the old hub and its 3945 primitives

[upper vapor]

that is horrible

[celest thorn]

Imported on meow 300 fps fine and 60/60

On mer destruction

[teal junco]

i havent tested it with many players yet, i expect it to probably run worse

[upper vapor]

i have a thing in Unity with like 6k prims and IN THE EDITOR it runs kinda shit
-# i'm too lazy to blender

[celest thorn]

Like its not me bullying but meow was created for entirely atos

[celest thorn]

Nah for me runs fine

In unity 6

[upper vapor]

when you play it?

[celest thorn]

Oh dogshit

In that case yea

In the editor dogshit

When i test it

[upper vapor]

so i can just open source if i make it myself :33

[teal junco]

once i replace my hint service with RUEI i'll be pretty confident it could run 60 tps consistently though

[celest thorn]

Pretty much yea

I still need to rewrite a bit of stuff

[unique crane]

Mods

take him away

[celest thorn]

So sad

Noooo

Please

NOOOO

the nw snipers

Are back

[teal junco]

i used to join a server with a guy who made so many schematics with no optimization the server ran 30 fps

and i cant imagine the tps lol

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-sd-gif-7153818928132089746

[celest thorn]

Don’t worry that guy is normal

[upper vapor]

how many are we talking

[celest thorn]

Btw now that i think about it

Nw dev can steal schematics

[teal junco]

this dude also bragged about his epic MER skills and he clowned on me for suggesting to delete small details which might build up to an fps increase

because i apparently had no experience in MER and my opinion therefore didnt matter

lolol

[celest thorn]

On the hub for my server rats have the their fingers and stuff

Why because i can

They are so cute :3

[sacred sierra]

did he use vertex snap? cuz i see a lot of people who doesnt know about it and cant connect some primives properly

[teal junco]

there's a medical area, a rec room, a security office, an elevator, and administrative areas

[teal junco]

?

this has nothing to do with connecting primitives right

[celest thorn]

What even is that

[upper vapor]

oh gosh i hate that so much when people don't use snapping

[celest thorn]

Never used it and im fine

[upper vapor]

and manually do it alll

[teal junco]

if you arent struggling to get 30 fps then youre free to put as many fingers as you want haha

[sacred sierra]

its really useful

[upper vapor]

people
you can also type in the transform fields

[celest thorn]

Im doing 130 fps and on a rx500 80

So i guess everyone can run this server

[upper vapor]

0 static objects, lemme guess

[teal junco]

you mean when people dont align their primitives with grids or transform

[teal junco]

maybe, i really dont know

[sacred sierra]

my favourite thing is you can do smth like /5*3+2 in those fields

[upper vapor]

yes

[upper vapor]

PEAK

dude

facts

🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[teal junco]

he also told me i clearly dont understand how primitives affect tps when i suggested deleting tiny cubes for marginal fps and tps gain. this was back when nocollide primitives were just negative scale lmao so it technically did

[upper vapor]

oh gosh

[teal junco]

he constantly bragged about his technical and backend knowledge of SCP SL

[celest thorn]

PirateSoftware of Sl

[teal junco]

back then i wasnt a plugin dev so technically he was the only one who could run the server (and i didnt know well enough to question him)

[celest thorn]

I bet he worked for blizzard

[upper vapor]

😭😭

[teal junco]

but now i am and i exceed his knowledge in all fields related to scp sl within a year lol

his exiled config was combined

btw

[celest thorn]

EEWW

EWWW

this guy needs to be expelled from doing servers

[teal junco]

he also said he knows too much about running a server to train any other admins or backend people

including RA, plugins, and MER

[celest thorn]

Honestly

Bragging about this knowledge is insane

[teal junco]

he thought that his admins were too stupid to understand these things and itd be pointless to teach em

[celest thorn]

Crazy

[celest thorn]

What is this?

This magic trick

[teal junco]

ikr

[upper vapor]

ctrl+shift

[sacred sierra]

vertex snapping

[teal junco]

deadass so condescending and disrespectful

[celest thorn]

If i knew it before

;(

[sacred sierra]

i do it with v

[teal junco]

and also he gave his AK47 a 1.2x damage multiplier and the A7 a 0.1x damage multiplier (to make them "harmless" even tho they gave burn effect still)

[sacred sierra]

one day i was just searching snap/snapping on mer discord and found the gold

[teal junco]

vertex snapping

oh my god

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ohne-pixel-cs-go-katowice2014-ohne-counter-strike-gif-27001704

[teal junco]

this is what ive been looking for

its like grid snapping but better

[celest thorn]

GOLD GOLD GOLD

[teal junco]

and its better than changing my primitive position painstakingly manually

[celest thorn]

Can we make cs crates in sl

[teal junco]

essentially kind of an incompetent idiot but since he was the only one posessing technical knowledge like this he was irreplacable

[sacred sierra]

and btw usually when i dont know what im talking about i dont talk about that

[celest thorn]

I know that we should all delete this game

And move on

[teal junco]

if Northwood makes another game ever i pray they dont make the same mistakes they did in SL

[celest thorn]

SCP:SL 2

[teal junco]

like no crouching

or admintoys being 100% unoptimized

leaving all optimization to plugins

[celest thorn]

i mean

thats not an issue

[teal junco]

will they ever make another game?

[celest thorn]

no.

[teal junco]

or does northeood die with SL

[teal junco]

it kinda sucks bro

if it was optimized (even just by distance) from the get go then i wouldnt have to play on the 30 fps MER maps from hell

[sacred sierra]

triangle primitive when

[teal junco]

i asked for a tri primitive in patreon and got voted no by someone lmao

[upper vapor]

make it yourself
but at that point they might as well add meshtoy

[teal junco]

i met that guy and lightly joked at him for voting no on everything and then he got mad and started yapping for like 3 minutes about how im not funny

[teal junco]

meshes are serializable

northwood should....

can we.....

i think....

Please

mesh toy :3

would that be better or worse

i think it would probably be overall better

idk though

the more freedom we give server owners the closer we get to gmod 45 minute mod downloads

[sacred sierra]

the only good thing for me about primitives vs proper models is that even those who dont have 3d/blender skills can do stuff

[teal junco]

if any of the scp sl modded servers were in gmod it would take forever to download the mods

[sacred sierra]

and its not hard to teach someone to do it

[teal junco]

so you think itd be good with no downsides

[sacred sierra]

no

[teal junco]

i think so but there must be some reason its not been added.

[sacred sierra]

shouldve probably said the most important instead of the only

[teal junco]

so what downsides are there for a hypothetical mesh toy

[spare zodiac]

halo

[unique crane]

How it would be downloaded? Would you have to wait for server to send you it in packets or download it via external link (management isnt keen on downloading anything external)

[teal junco]

so many server owners would probably spawn yansim toothbrush if there was a meshtoy

[upper vapor]

performance and downloading

[celest thorn]

unpack an assetsbundle

(so we can put C#)

[teal junco]

uh nonono

[unique crane]

Yeah thats not happening either xd

[celest thorn]

;(

[teal junco]

isnt there a serializable mesh object

[unique crane]

Idk

[teal junco]

could send in chunks. idk

then the client deserializes

[unique crane]

Yeah thats what would be needed to do

Send it from server to client in multiple messages

Or cap it to 65KB

1 message

[celest thorn]

imagine how slow that is

[upper vapor]

i'd put a limit on vertices and tris

[celest thorn]

5 verticies

[unique crane]

Or it could be capped at 65KB and you would have to put them together

[teal junco]

i think the serializablemesh already has a 65k tri (or vert i forgot) hard limir

[unique crane]

as multiple meshes

[teal junco]

wait no it has to be smaller

[unique crane]

Also wdym by serializable mesh

whats that

[teal junco]

its in the name, i think i saw docs on it somewhere online

[unique crane]

Can you get me the link

[teal junco]

probably doesnt even exist anymore

[unique crane]

cant find anything on it

[teal junco]

sure

lemme see

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.shadergraph@4.8/api/UnityEditor.ShaderGraph.SerializableMesh.html

i think most things i found are third party or outdated/useless for this

https://pastebin.com/yW91qEQh

[unique crane]

But isnt that just like

Unity assignment thingy

[teal junco]

yeah that first one is useless

[unique crane]

I mean this

[teal junco]

its not what i remember lol

anyways its probably more complex than i could imagine to serialize and network a mesh

but if it was ever possible itd be very very cool

and would definitely be abused by server owners with no tech knowledge

[spare zodiac]

Do gameObjects have texture property?

[upper vapor]

meshrenderer

[spare zodiac]

couldn't that be used to change textures if NW would allow networking for it?

[teal junco]

technically

if they only allow texture changes that is

if they allow material changes then people will find the most expensive material to render in the game and spam it everywhere possible

[spare zodiac]

if we could fuck around with base game textures that would be epic

[spare zodiac]

then let them fuck their own servers XD

[teal junco]

i heard the ability to apply base game textures to primitives was on the table at one point

[spare zodiac]

at one point??

do you mean it's not anymore

💀

[teal junco]

no i just am not sure

[spare zodiac]

I am begging NW from the start of start itself to add textures for primitives 🙏

idk if there is issue for it though

it indeed is

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/160

[grave eagle]

yes

[celest thorn]

anyone alive :3

[restive turret]

Kinda

[celest thorn]

hiii how are you doing

[restive turret]

Eh

[spare zodiac]

still ye

[restive turret]

Laying down in the bed

[celest thorn]

crazy

[celest thorn]

hiii how are you doing instead

[restive turret]

Waiting to have a motivation to start doing something

[spare zodiac]

let's say ok

[spare zodiac]

fr

[celest thorn]

nice atleast

[celest thorn]

i just finished off to migrate from Meow to RUEI and cleaned at the same time i was cleaning the house

so

multitasking i know

[spare zodiac]

*multithreading

[celest thorn]

nah i don't have smaller zer0two working for me the main thread

so

[spare zodiac]

Zer0

[celest thorn]

?

[spare zodiac]

can I read file from start and end at the same time?

[celest thorn]

wdym?

when you read a file you are reading from the start to the end

[spare zodiac]

multithread reding of single file

[celest thorn]

of that instance

idk

[restive turret]

Filestream, and you have to do flag to don't lock it

[spare zodiac]

me on a way to use HSM for my plugin

[restive turret]

And go to position you wanna go and read it i guess

[upper vapor]

File.OpenRead

you wanna read it backwards??

[spare zodiac]

backwards, upwards, downroads all the roads and wards

[upper vapor]

what

[celest thorn]

You want to read it

[upper vapor]

yes but

how

and why do you want it reverse

[icy knoll]

me when people with big servers wont use ur plugin because of the performance

[upper vapor]

surely the players won't notice

[icy knoll]

yeah surelyyyyyy

[celest thorn]

me on my way to delete

any traces on every server

[hearty shard]

[spare zodiac]

not planning to release it

[spare zodiac]

hey question about coroutines.

If I have a list of instances like eg. players is it better to have 1 coroutine going through each or coroutine for every object in the list?

[spare zodiac]

btw why did you go to Ruei**,** V3 ain't out yet?

[worthy rune]

having 1 coroutine would probably be faster, but that doesnt mean having multiple is bad, it just depends what exactly you are doing

[spare zodiac]

I see

well for example you have a body object which all people have and have to evaluate multiple things

• bleeding
• effects
• should be unconsious

etc.

[unique crane]

1 coroutine and foreach players

[worthy rune]

yeah

[spare zodiac]

would there be any way to check the technicality of this eg. memory usage

[unique crane]

The memory usage of MEC coroutine is minimal

And so is performance overhead

thats why we use them in first place

[hearty shard]

how about

[unique crane]

More Effective Coroutines

[hearty shard]

monobehaviour my beloved

[spare zodiac]

that could be used for my usecase?

[hearty shard]

idk what ur doing

i use it for afk detection

because i save info

per player

[spare zodiac]

how do you do that?

you use the update in mono?

[hearty shard]

yes ?

well

i need to improve this eventually

idk if i like that its done like that

[spare zodiac]

I see

how fast is update called?

[upper vapor]

per frame

[hearty shard]

every frame

its why i have the timer

to make it 1s per afk check

[spare zodiac]

wouldn't stopwatch be better in your usecase?

[upper vapor]

no

you're already allocating memory with the component, the stopwatch is unnecessary

[spare zodiac]

and can I make monobehaviour for objects that are like not unity eg. creating my own body object

[spare zodiac]

alr

[hearty shard]

what

[upper vapor]

yes

[hearty shard]

not rly

well you need a gameobject

to put monobehaviour on

you can just new GameObject() it tho

[upper vapor]

^

MEC may be simpler cuz you don't need to create a gameobject
but you have to end the coroutine at the right time (e.g. CancelWith(go) which needs a gameobject anyway)

MonoBehaviour automatically "stops" when the object is destroyed

[spare zodiac]

I never used monobehaviour for this, but it sounds interesting, thank you!

[upper vapor]

np

[hearty shard]

wait

ur doing it on a player right

cuz then yeah you can just add it to the player and ur all good

[upper vapor]

yep, easy cuz if the player leaves, the component is destroyed and doesn't update anymore

[hearty shard]

ya

[upper vapor]

you can replicate this behavior by Timing.RunCoroutine(Coroutine().CancelWith(player.GameObject))

[slate flume]

Bro

You're telling me

This whole time

I could do .CancelWith()

Crazy

[upper vapor]

yea

[slate flume]

Why can't I just have every small bit of somewhat useful knowledge implanted in my brain

My life would be like a million times easier

[upper vapor]

then you wouldn't be learning

[slate flume]

This is true

[icy knoll]

ive learnt a lot from ax

and i bet ive still got more to learn with some upcoming projects

when i get round to having time...

[slate flume]

Lately I feel like I'm finally doing some more intermediate programmer things

My first abstract class

Pretty hype

Well actually

My second :)

👍🏼

[spare zodiac]

body stays even after death or when player leaves

[spare zodiac]

the first class feel confusing, but next classes feel like the best thing you've ever done

[slate flume]

Base constructor!

[spare zodiac]

learn about implicit operators they are awesome

[upper vapor]

the player's gameobject gets destroyed

[slate flume]

Sadly I haven't come across cases where I need to make implicit operators for my classes :/

[spare zodiac]

that's right, creating new one instead of using player should be right choice

[spare zodiac]

instead of get value

[spare zodiac]

*method

[upper vapor]

what

[slate flume]

Wdym

[spare zodiac]

I want body to stay after player leaves so I create new gameobject and add it to player

[icy knoll]

implicit operators are very rare to have, but do exist in those rare cases and they will make ur job better

[spare zodiac]

I use them everywhere

like in my own classes

[hearty shard]

I think ur crazy

[spare zodiac]

looks better in my opinion

[hearty shard]

well

what r u doing it for

r u doing implicit bool instead of == null

[spare zodiac]

to not use get methods

[hearty shard]

[upper vapor]

that's gonna be insanely confusing

[spare zodiac]

no casting to my class like from Item to MedkitController

[spare zodiac]

I'll show some example in a min

[upper vapor]

what

[slate flume]

I mean theoretically you could do it that way but I feel like that makes the code less readable

[upper vapor]

do you unparent it when the player leaves?

[spare zodiac]

I create new gameobject and define logic there and make identifier for player or corpse

[slate flume]

In my class I have PlayerNetworkId, ClassName, and Description
I could do an implicit operator for my PlayerNetworkId because it's the only uint I have stored but then I'd be doing something like networkIdList.Add(SodaPersonnelInstance[0]) rather than networkIdList.Add(SodaPersonnelInstance[0].PlayerNetworkId) which would get confusing when I also have something like SodaPersonnelInstances.Add(SodaPersonnelInstance[0])

I also wouldn't be able to use implicit operators for ClassName and Description because they're both strings

Which would mean I would be forced to break the convention for specific cases

Overall just a lot less clean

[upper vapor]

i don't really know how to define it but you shouldn't have implicit conversions for everything

does this make sense? probably

[spare zodiac]

Enums would be better

[upper vapor]

the implementation can define any progress

enums don't work here

[spare zodiac]

I don't do it like this I usually make implicit cycles

[hearty shard]

enum cant replace Action

[upper vapor]

implicit cycles??

[spare zodiac]

yes term created by me

my project is not letting me enter though fuck

thought for a second I might have had corrupted it that would not be nice at all

why did my whole project downgrade to C# 10 WTF

[spare zodiac]

rider was gatekeeping my version for some reason, had to manually change it

[spare zodiac]

not a cycle, but made my life easier

[upper vapor]

i don't like this

oh well

[upper vapor]

you should use the implicit operator in the other implicit operators then

[carmine prawn]

Can the audio played by SpeakerToy(like https://github.com/Killers0992/AudioPlayerApi) not be suppressed by other in-game sounds?

[upper vapor]

nope

[slender lynx]

@true cedar is there any way to make the max position higher on ruei

[true cedar]

vertical position?

[slender lynx]

hsm goes all the way to the top but the max has like a 200 buffer from the top of a standard monitor

yeah

[true cedar]

yea u can just set it

i realize now i should prob scale vertical position

[slender lynx]

this is the max

[true cedar]

based on the aspect ratio

[slender lynx]

anything past 1000 is the same

[true cedar]

huh

[slender lynx]

this is 1200

but also 1000

its kinda wierd

and my dev just dissapeared

[true cedar]

and this is vertical position?

[slender lynx]

yeah

[true cedar]

that's not

i don't like math.min it or anything

[slender lynx]

whats wierd is i can go below the monitor

[hearty shard]

unity moment?

[slender lynx]

hints can go under the monitor but not up

its kinda wierd

[true cedar]

can u send the text

that's logged to the console

[slender lynx]

we changed it so it dosent do that

[true cedar]

oh

[slender lynx]

@celest thorn is gonna fix it with something else

idk

[true cedar]

wll id like to know what causes it

[slender lynx]

its just standard with the plugin it seems

[celest thorn]

?

[slender lynx]

120 is the bottom of a 1920x1080 monitor

[true cedar]

like i wanna know so i can fix it for ruei

[slender lynx]

just offset by 120 ig

vertical up

and it should work fine

[celest thorn]

        StringBuilder sb = StringBuilderPool.Shared.Rent()
            .SetIndent(Position.x)
            .SetAlignment(Align)
            .SetSize(Size);

        OnRender(hub, sb);

        sb.CloseIndent();
        sb.CloseAlign();
        sb.CloseSize();
        
        return StringBuilderPool.Shared.ToStringReturn(sb);

and when creating it i use the VerticalAlign

VerticalAlign is down in all of the text

Align is Center

[true cedar]

huh

im so confused

[slender lynx]

this is your standard monitor

[true cedar]

yea

[slender lynx]

ok

[true cedar]

ig

[slender lynx]

120 is lowest

[true cedar]

i prob need to scale it for the resolution then

[celest thorn]

when 0 should be

[true cedar]

i thought i wouldnt have to but

ughhh

[celest thorn]

<voffset=2em>

fixes it

[slender lynx]

it fixes EVERYTHING

[true cedar]

wdym everything

[slender lynx]

this

[true cedar]

oh

[celest thorn]

1000 is now the top of the screen

and 0

[slender lynx]

now its like

correct

[celest thorn]

is the down of the screen

[true cedar]

rahhhh

[upper vapor]

Isn't it that hints are "naturally" offset by default?

[true cedar]

yea

but ruei accounts for that i think

i think it might be a resolution thing

[celest thorn]

i don't think so

[upper vapor]

Ugh

[upper vapor]

It's not centered

If you ShowHint("a") it won't be in the center of the screen vertically

[celest thorn]

you know how everything should be solved

with someone inpartial in all of this nw

adding the UI feature

[upper vapor]

Never™

[celest thorn]

Hey rue i saw a small problem, that elements in the UI move depending on other hints is it possible to disable that?

[true cedar]

if its a slight adjustment thats a known bug and im working on fixing it

[celest thorn]

Like it goes up or down

and with dynamic hints like chat etc...

destroys everything else

[true cedar]

huh

can u send the hint that causes that

i cant really help u if i dont have anything to work off of

[celest thorn]

yea i can send you a video

the hint is generated

[true cedar]

show?

[celest thorn]

https://maro.tiananmensquare.asia/📸/xrfieq05.mp4

here

[true cedar]

what does the hi message look like

the hint

[slender lynx]

what does that mean

it says hi

[true cedar]

like

the text of the hint

[upper vapor]

Holy hint flashing

[celest thorn]

    public string OnInternalRender(ReferenceHub hub)
    {
        StringBuilder sb = StringBuilderPool.Shared.Rent()
            .SetIndent(Position.x)
            .SetVOffset(2, MeasurementUnit.Ems)
            .SetAlignment(Align)
            .SetSize(Size);

        OnRender(hub, sb);

        sb.CloseIndent();
        sb.CloseVOffset();
        sb.CloseAlign();
        sb.CloseSize();
        
        return StringBuilderPool.Shared.ToStringReturn(sb);
    }

The file is what the class looks like

and the Internal is before it gets sent to RueI

everyt class has that

[true cedar]

hhhh

whta does ChatMessageTemplate look like

[celest thorn]

but this happens with everything

[true cedar]

it might be the voffset

is this ruei v3

[celest thorn]

{PlayerName}: {Message}

and this is how its rendered

{Tip}\n{Message1}\n{Message2}\n{Message3}\n{Message4}\n{Message5}

[celest thorn]

yes

[true cedar]

um

ruei v3 doesn't support voffsets fully yet

[celest thorn]

yea i've seen the messages, the only thing is that tho this one is the only that fixes 120 issue

so

[true cedar]

try doing ```
.SetLineHeight(2, MeasurementUnit.Ems)
.AddLinebreak()
.CloseLinebreak()

[upper vapor]

what if

you don't voffset

[true cedar]

yea if u don't voffset it

deos it work

[celest thorn]

let me test

[true cedar]

like does the spacing issue still occur

[upper vapor]

why is the B in not uppercase

in "line break"

[true cedar]

if its newline i can say linebreak

[gilded thicket]

linebreak is way more valid than LineBreak

[slender lynx]

https://maro.tiananmensquare.asia/📸/fxgend1c.mp4

still does it

[true cedar]

no but does the spacing adjust

vertical spacing

[upper vapor]

gotta love english

[gilded thicket]

chatgpt and AI might be top 3 inventions

[true cedar]

oh it does

[celest thorn]

they aren't static when they should be

[true cedar]

if u can get me the entire hint as one string of text

[celest thorn]

yea let me do it when it sends it

[upper vapor]

have you considered using an apostrophe

and not a backtick

in the intro text or whatever

[slender lynx]

i dont think that would do much

[upper vapor]

basic english

it`s
vs
it's

[slender lynx]

uh

i dont care

[gilded thicket]

lmao why he got a emoji in his url

[icy knoll]

she*

[gilded thicket]

i fw it

[slender lynx]

its money

[true cedar]

is the flashing a ruei issue

[celest thorn]

yes.

[slender lynx]

tianamensquare.asia

[gilded thicket]

no its not

[celest thorn]

no other hints are in the server other than ruei

[celest thorn]

im using v3

[true cedar]

and hsm didn't have this?

[slender lynx]

yeah

its v3 issue

[celest thorn]

nope

[slender lynx]

hsm was fine

[true cedar]

if u have the logs

[icy knoll]

no flashing on v2

so

[upper vapor]

slightly increase the duration scalar and boom

[true cedar]

i need the debug logs so like

[slender lynx]

its not that big of a deal

so

[celest thorn]

yea

[true cedar]

duration is like 999999

[celest thorn]

getting you the text

[upper vapor]

bruh

[true cedar]

it might be that

idk

[celest thorn]

wtf

i just logged

Logger.Debug($"Text: {offset + content}");

just logs one of the hints

[true cedar]

where are you logging it

[celest thorn]

Ruei

https://ratcentral.is-a-good.site/🐀/x3tsa7s0.png

[true cedar]

text?

[upper vapor]

are you using the AlphaEffect?

[celest thorn]

But this one is just one of the hints

[upper vapor]

-6.46576e

[true cedar]

i think thats multiple hints

[celest thorn]

oh wait

found it

[upper vapor]

what's e

[true cedar]

em

if u want writing it to a file might be better

[true cedar]

could u write to one file perhaps

[celest thorn]

here everything is displayed in the screen

[celest thorn]

?

[true cedar]

like

write the hint text to a file

so i can see

[celest thorn]

Each one of them separated?

[true cedar]

explodes

[celest thorn]

or all of them united?

[true cedar]

the total combined hint into one file

ideally multiple of the total combined hints as separate files with the slight offset

i need to know whats going wrong

[true cedar]

does this not have the chat?

[celest thorn]

Not written

entirely

[true cedar]

gonna bash my head against a wall

[celest thorn]

im going to provide you with full

and none

Full UI (so 5/5 Chat)

Chat but without any element in chat

[true cedar]

ugh

[true cedar]

line 178 in ElementCombiner - try replacign
contentWriter.WriteStringNoSize("<size=0></mspace></cspace><line-height=0>.");
with
contentWriter.WriteStringNoSize("<scale=0></mspace></cspace><line-height=0>.");

and lmk if that works

[celest thorn]

yea im not removing the log

so i can send it to you in case

the other small problem is the offset

but ig thats easier to fix

[upper vapor]

where did you get the scale tag from

[celest thorn]

Nope still broken

But but i now the . is visible

[true cedar]

its a secret tag :3

tmp doesn't list it

but it works

[upper vapor]

is that like

vertical-only scale?

[true cedar]

horizontal

[celest thorn]

without chat

[true cedar]

is everything the same size

i suspect its a size issue

[celest thorn]

no

some of them are 30 and some are 20

[true cedar]

if possible do u think u could try setting everything to the default size (34.7) and seeing if it works

[upper vapor]

can you just use 1em instead of magic number

[celest thorn]

i love magic numbers

[true cedar]

well to make it easier for thm

since they don't have to set the unit

[upper vapor]

public static StringBuilder Set1em(this StringBuilder builder) => builder.Append("<size=1em>");

[celest thorn]

it still moves

[true cedar]

fuck

oh you still have something as size=20

[upper vapor]

idea

add <alpha=#00>.</alpha>

before size

[true cedar]

i don't think that would fix it

[upper vapor]

it fixed jumping for me (texttoy though)

[celest thorn]

let me fix

with

34

it works fine

with everything

[upper vapor]

copium

[true cedar]

yea so its a size issue

[slender lynx]

it WORKS

[true cedar]

ugh

[upper vapor]

paws, your magic number isn't magic

[true cedar]

size is so fucked

i thought i had a fix for it but

rahhh

and i tried looking at tmp source code but i dont fully understand wtf its doing

someone else do it for me thanks

[celest thorn]

im too stupid

[upper vapor]

where tmp source

[celest thorn]

i will try something

im testing something

i hope it works

no magic numbers anymore

if it works

im going to cry

hope my math maths

I fixed everything

from position

to everything

now it scales correctly everything

and is in the correct position

@upper vapor @true cedar

it moves a bit but thats because hints needs to be updated

[upper vapor]

yippeeee

finally

[celest thorn]

/// <summary>
    /// Gets the default line height for a given size.
    /// </summary>
    /// <param name="size">The size, in pixels.</param>
    /// <returns>The default line height for that size, as a <see langword="float"/>.</returns>
    internal static float GetLineHeight(float size) => (size / EmSize) * DefaultLineHeight;

this is my only change

oh wait nope it does still change position

but not like before

https://ratcentral.is-a-good.site/🐀/6uu2hv75.mp4

@upper vapor do think its fixed?

[upper vapor]

nevermind

[celest thorn]

;(

im going insane on fixing it

[upper vapor]

i didn't know about this, actually amazing

thanks

[true cedar]

https://github.com/needle-mirror/com.unity.textmeshpro/blob/75fef8b868509a5496d5d67bd912153a3aa149cc/Scripts/Runtime/TMP_Text.cs#L4338

[upper vapor]

oh it's a

chonky file

[true cedar]

yea

[upper vapor]

um

[true cedar]

there's also https://github.com/needle-mirror/com.unity.textmeshpro/blob/75fef8b868509a5496d5d67bd912153a3aa149cc/Scripts/Runtime/TMPro_Private.cs

[true cedar]

ill look at it later

i know its bc of size

[celest thorn]

im trying something else

i might have found it

but idk

nope

[upper vapor]

if every line has line height

of 0

then how is it not good

[true cedar]

because tmp is fucked

size tags can change the actual height of a line

adding the period at the end is supposed to fix that

[celest thorn]

tho the period is visible

[celest thorn]

.

from here the period is visible

[sacred sierra]

it always annoys me when something's off(and for example not exactly in the center even a little when i want it to) so this was a lifesaver for me when i found out its possible in unity

[upper vapor]

exactly

i used snapping and manually typing stuff

this makes the precision perfect in some nicher cases

[gilded thicket]

fais pas le fou avk moi rhoo0o

[sacred sierra]

i spent a lot of time manually aligning primitives in my schematics

also its much more noticeable when u use glowing primitives cuz they glow when something is behind them

[spare zodiac]

le epic development

[celest thorn]

@true cedar are you going to fix? because in case i will try

[true cedar]

um

maybe

i mean i will but it might take a bit

more help would be appreciated tho

[celest thorn]

im trying

i found out that you had a TODO for the SizeStack

so im trying to see what i can do with that

[true cedar]

it's something to do with different sizes producing an offset

[slender lynx]

yeah so
we have no idea how to fix that

[true cedar]

well

i need to test some things ig

[slender lynx]

is there like

any eta on that

[true cedar]

i dont know

[slender lynx]

because hsm kills perf and is unusable

[true cedar]

i didnt think that people would try and adopt a non-production-ready system lol

[slender lynx]

we thought v3 would be ready by like

2 months ago lol

so atp we're just gonna go with it

[true cedar]

ive been really busy so its like

[slender lynx]

no ur fine

we're just tryna figure ts out

[true cedar]

maybe try replacing

[true cedar]

that with contentWriter.WriteStringNoSize("<line-height=0>\n<alpha=#00><scale=0>.");

[slender lynx]

ok yeah so we found the issue

if we get a working version ill lyk

[true cedar]

whats the issue

[slender lynx]

default line height

[true cedar]

?

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.is-a-good.site/🐀/mg4thd4d.png

this one line is responsable for calculating the height

[true cedar]

mhm

[celest thorn]

from here it should be calculated the height

and not constant default line

so i will try to check how i can

[true cedar]

?

i don't think that should affect it

[slender lynx]

ok well

it does

so

[celest thorn]

yes thats affecting it

if you think about

[hearty shard]

@unique crane btwwww shouldnt this not be a null check
like => !Base || !GameObject;

idk

[slender lynx]

shut up nameless

we're talkin here

[celest thorn]

if with 34 it works fine and DefaultLineHeight is for 34 obv we should calculated for the correct

[true cedar]

the default line height is 40.664

like

it shouldn't matter i think

[slender lynx]

ok

[true cedar]

because it forces a linebreak with that line height

even if the line height is technically incorrect

[celest thorn]

like thats the cause 100%

[true cedar]

like if it computes the wrong line height, it still shouldn't create an accidental offset because it forces a linebreak with taht line height

[celest thorn]

It does make sense because its calculating each line and the lines have the problem by being different than the constant

[true cedar]

that shouldn't be the case tho

it forces the line height

so even if the size is different

[celest thorn]

but thats the problem

being different

they create offset

[true cedar]

taht shouldn't matter

[celest thorn]

and thats why they shrink

[true cedar]

gimme a sec

[celest thorn]

.

[true cedar]

the offset is the same thanks to the line-height tag

[celest thorn]

so then why it shrinks down

[true cedar]

idk

[celest thorn]

and removign that fixes the issue

like i don't understand that

by removing it its fine (but in one line)

[true cedar]

oh

nvm

[true cedar]

how tf does removing that

i have a hypothesis maybe

[celest thorn]

idk

[true cedar]

i dont think thats posisble

since it'd just break

[hearty shard]

actually nvm i realized unity also overrides == whoops

[upper vapor]

The implicit operator does a null check

[hearty shard]

i realized

read msg directly above urs

[upper vapor]

Bruh

Scrolling moment

[celest thorn]

i totally gave up

[restive turret]

same

[celest thorn]

there's not an easier way for Ruei v2

lol

[slender lynx]

v2 too complex for your tiny brain
v3 dont work
hsm drops tps to 10

[icy knoll]

zero this morning: "v3 is stable"

[celest thorn]

i have an idea to actually migrate

but idk

[celest thorn]

it is

[icy knoll]

zero this evening: "v3 is broken"

[celest thorn]

just fucking moving this shit

[slender lynx]

it is

[celest thorn]

i cannot figure it out why

i know the line is there

[slender lynx]

it works fine

but its dynamic hints

fuckin

moving everything

[icy knoll]

yall showed flashing of hints

[celest thorn]

but i cannot fucking understand why this asshole of tmp decideds to move it

[icy knoll]

😭

flashing of hints is not stable

[celest thorn]

i think thats the last of the problems

like seriously

and honestly im gonna try again with v2

and try to figure it out

with auto elements

[slender lynx]

players can live with flashing hints

players cannot live with hints going to fuckin mystery land

[true cedar]

did u try this

#plugins-dev-chat message

[celest thorn]

no

[true cedar]

ill look at the flashing ig

i havent encountered that myself

[celest thorn]

let me test it rn

[true cedar]

no guarantees

[celest thorn]

i just hope

im starting to rewrite for v2

but its not looking good

🙏

[true cedar]

?

[celest thorn]

im joining the server rn

praying

[true cedar]

i dont think it will work ngl but

i can take a look tmrw

[celest thorn]

im at a point that i will try rewriting with v2

the only problem that i have with v2

is where to save the AutoElements / Elements

because i use an abstract

nope it didn't fix it 😭

[celest thorn]

@icy knoll because you are using RueI v2, for auto updating do i need to use AutoElements?

[icy knoll]

yeah, you then give it a timespan for how often to update

[celest thorn]

Ok but can i remove it for a specific player or add it?

or it adds in automatic

and cannot be removed

[icy knoll]

nope

it's role based only

atleast i think

[celest thorn]

protected virtual void GiveTo(DisplayCore core)

protected virtual void RemoveFrom(DisplayCore core)

i will publicize it

and just do it myself

[hearty shard]

publicize ??!?!?!

me when

CustomAutoElement : AutoElement
{
protected override void GiveTo
}

[celest thorn]

...

public class UpdatableAutoElement : AutoElement
{
    public UpdatableAutoElement(Roles roles, Func<DisplayCore, Element> creator) : base(roles, creator)
    {
    }

    public UpdatableAutoElement(Roles roles, Element element) : base(roles, element)
    {
    }

    public void GiveToPublic(DisplayCore core)
    {
        GiveTo(core);
    }
    
    
    public void RemoveFromPublic(DisplayCore core)
    {
        RemoveFrom(core);
    }
}

ig this works

[icy knoll]

mfw just name them GiveTo and RemoveFrom and use base.GiveTo and base.RemoveFrom

[celest thorn]

its not that the problem i need to make them new

[plain gazelle]

does this mean my idea is getting worked on? :o

[hearty shard]

looked at

might happen

might not

[restive turret]

Lemme ask my 8ball

[plain gazelle]

Let me go get my 10L copium canister

[tulip kiln]

Yo does anyone know where the game is adding ammo to the player if I modify the ammo values?

I'm doing this

if (firearm.TryGetModule<MagazineModule>(out var magModule))
{
    if (magazineModifier.DefaultCapacity != -1)
        magModule._defaultCapacity = magazineModifier.DefaultCapacity;

    magModule.MagazineInserted = magazineModifier.MagazineInserted;
    magModule.AmmoStored = magazineModifier.AmmoStored + 1;

    magModule.ServerResyncData();
}

which sets a Logicer's ammo to 1, but the player gets 99 ammo to their ammo storage.

[slender lynx]

@true cedar https://maro.tiananmensquare.asia/📸/q5jotpz9.png

so uh

we sorta fixed it

[icy knoll]

wtf

[celest thorn]

is Ruei2

like im amazed

my server is cursed

[slender lynx]

what the fuck have we done

the key is upside down

[celest thorn]

no hint framework other than meow works

like idk why everything is rotated

lol

[slender lynx]

it keeps rotating more

the lower it is

[celest thorn]

do you know why?

because i have NO idea

Element baseElement = isDynamic
? new DynamicElement(OnInternalRender, Position.y)
: new FixedElement(Position.y, Text);

like this is code

[icy knoll]

me either lol

[celest thorn]

StringBuilder sb = StringBuilderPool.Shared.Rent()
            .SetIndent(Position.x)
            .SetAlignment(Align)
            .SetSize(Size);

        OnRender(display.Hub, sb);

        sb.CloseIndent();
        sb.CloseAlign();
        sb.CloseSize();
       ```
Rotate is never called

this is magic

[restive turret]

Lmao

[slender lynx]

we got egyptian heiroglyphics

[celest thorn]

Lumi is the max 1k?

for y

[icy knoll]

yes

[icy knoll]

try installing timers temporarily

see if timers also has the same shit

because if it does, smth is fucked on ur end

lol

[celest thorn]

Like i think its intendation?

idk

why

because they don't move from pos x

so i think its that and makes them rotate

[slender lynx]

its better like this tho

[icy knoll]

smh

[celest thorn]

idk

if we fixed it

im scared to think no

NAH

NAH

INDENTS ARE BROKEN

@icy knoll can you send me your ruei

please

[slender lynx]

so yeah apparently <indent> == <rotation>

[icy knoll]

i legit use the one on the repo

lol

[slender lynx]

latest?

[celest thorn]

I use the one in the repo

[icy knoll]

why not use <space>

just use the space tag

[celest thorn]

wtf is space

[icy knoll]

works the same

[slender lynx]

elon musk space rocket

[icy knoll]

makes a space

[celest thorn]

...

[icy knoll]

it’s what i use in timers

[celest thorn]

space x

ruei v3 works indent

ruei v2 indents rotate

crazy

[slender lynx]

@celest thorn https://maro.tiananmensquare.asia/📸/ivws4swu.png

ur an idiot

[celest thorn]

i don't think space works