plugins-dev-chat

[spare zodiac]

will it be scaled and positioned based on resolution?

[true cedar]

u can implement that urself

i mean for vertical yea

but for horizontal no

[spare zodiac]

for both

HSM has it

[spare zodiac]

I mean if people will have to implement everywhing themselves then no reason to switch for example from HSM

[true cedar]

i dont really see a reason to add horizontal positioning, since it's not difficult to do yourself

it is literally just

an <align=left> or <pos=500> etc

[spare zodiac]

you do you

[true cedar]

i mean if its really that necessary i can add it

[true cedar]

but also i'm not super concerned with like hsm vs ruei

there are things that ruei v3 has that hsm doesn't

and my primary concern is making an eloquent system not trying to beat hsm

[spare zodiac]

interesting to see them

also are you able to scale things float type lime 0.1, 0.01 etc.?

[true cedar]

wdym

[spare zodiac]

use floats in <size> tag

[true cedar]

yea

why wouldnt u be able to

[spare zodiac]

so you can even make 0.00001

[spare zodiac]

tbh never checked and used whole numbers always

[true cedar]

im not sure why u need that but

yea

[spare zodiac]

waypoint system :D

[true cedar]

it supports hint parameters too im still proud of that

[upper vapor]

It's common knowledge that gravity doesn't go up, right and forward at the same time

[upper vapor]

You can do <size=0.5em> if that's what you mean

[upper vapor]

Poggies

[spare zodiac]

it's not

and it doesn't move itself automatically based on resolution so hints cut themselves

[upper vapor]

You can use float values with any unit

[upper vapor]

What

[spare zodiac]

you have hints right

when you change resolution to lower the hint is not in same position

[upper vapor]

That's why you use em

1em = default font size
2em = 2x font size

[spare zodiac]

em does some dark magic in the background?

yeah but that's size

then you position the hint somewhere on your screen

[upper vapor]

<pos=20%>

[spare zodiac]

if you design hint on 1080x1920 to be left next to your health and change resolution lower then it's cut off

[upper vapor]

I've never seen that as an issue, I'll test it

[upper vapor]

the hint area isn't full screen anyway

it's always rectangular (well, at least, has the same aspect ratio regardless of window size/aspect)

you can do some magic to make the text go to the very far end of the screen but at that point it's your fault

[spare zodiac]

that's why HSM implements X and Y coordinates for hints, so you can make it be usable on all types of screens

[upper vapor]

does it let you place the hint on the very edge of the window?

i don't see how resolution would break it otherwise

[spare zodiac]

yep

[restive turret]

<pos=2800>

[upper vapor]

like here?

[restive turret]

Yes

[upper vapor]

how would XY coordinates fix that

if it's a constant pixel value

if you give it -200 and the screen isn't that big, it won't magically move itself
so surely HSM has a way to auto-adjust these, not just XY coords
if i gave it XY coords i'd expect them to be constant

okay so X=0 is the very left of the screen and not the hint canvas?

no

[spare zodiac]

yep

[spare zodiac]

size also

tbh I could be talking dumb things rn I'm just saying information which I got

if you design hint to be c coordinate 30 on width 1920 you can

30/1920 * actual width

[spare zodiac]

center

well it's based on align

in what order did my messages sent? My wifi is dogshit

[upper vapor]

the canvas resizes based on resolution, so...
you don't have to calculate that manually

[spare zodiac]

yea

[spare zodiac]

from my testing let's say 5 months ago give or take it cut off when putting to the side so this fixes the problem

I have no clue if HSM implemented this it's just what people told me

You can implement sizing to be lower on another screens and it will be compatible with all screens

[celest thorn]

hiii

[spare zodiac]

Hallooooo Zer0

[upper vapor]

have you used HSM

[grand flower]

Would be nice if NW at least let us create UI on the client side via network messages

[celest thorn]

you became german

[celest thorn]

Yes

i currently use it

No RUIE

[upper vapor]

i would tmpro and graphic mask and circle everywhere

[celest thorn]

so

[spare zodiac]

Da

ya

ano

[celest thorn]

lol

[upper vapor]

da

😭😭

[celest thorn]

thats russian

[spare zodiac]

tf

[spare zodiac]

přesně tak

[celest thorn]

Да

or Da

how do you say fortnite in russian?

so sad still fortnite

[spare zodiac]

you don't translate names to other languages

[celest thorn]

i mean some languages do

[spare zodiac]

did you know Robot is Czech word?

[celest thorn]

like

[upper vapor]

XDDDD

[celest thorn]

el topo que gira

crazy

[celest thorn]

no i don't

in italian doesn't change

[upper vapor]

vc.. NOW

[unique crane]

Never!

[upper vapor]

david...

you

[unique crane]

Your starting to write like eve

[upper vapor]

yes

save me 😭

[celest thorn]

Please don't become eve

you are actually better than eve

she is a witch

[upper vapor]

sobbing

[unique crane]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-and-the-flying-circus-john-cleese-witch-witches-burn-gif-15349953

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-the-witch-frances-conroy-pyre-fire-burn-gif-5477510085187829975

[spare zodiac]

Robot is translated as Robot in all languages iirc

[upper vapor]

masina

[spare zodiac]

I sent it 5 minutes ago...

[celest thorn]

macchina

machine?

[upper vapor]

yes

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-v1-doodle-dance-creature-of-steel-machine-gif-14402334567162230454

the first thing that came in my mind

when i thought of machine lol

[spare zodiac]

what do you do in Labapi VC's like

[celest thorn]

am i cooked?

[celest thorn]

talk

[upper vapor]

yap

and

nerd

[celest thorn]

crazy i know

[upper vapor]

and mald

[spare zodiac]

don't you like have epic personal projects that you work on or like idk?

[celest thorn]

we all do

lol

[random scaffold]

k)JLA0

[grand flower]

3 months of SL modding and I'm all wrung out

Probs gonna stop for the foreseeable future

[icy knoll]

for me, ive got a couple more major plugins in me

then ill retire to just being maintainer :3

[grand flower]

I think fixing and rewriting 40+ plugins in 3 months is enough

[icy knoll]

jesus

[grand flower]

• all the fixes to SL and performance improvements

we'll see if I'm motivated for more in a few months but right now, eh

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.is-a-good.site/🐀/f7nittsu.png

wtf

[unique crane]

[icy knoll]

good game

[celest thorn]

My connection dying

[upper vapor]

bru

[celest thorn]

Please go play some real horror

Dead space is peak

The game where i was scared the most was fallout 4 Vr

Fucking cockroaches

[sinful bronze]

dead space is horror? :)

[celest thorn]

Yes the theme is horror

[sinful bronze]

Never think about that

[icy knoll]

girl, you dont think i have?

[celest thorn]

Idk

But saying poppy playtime is horror

[icy knoll]

i played alien isolation, the whole game, and finished it.

[celest thorn]

Is probably spitting on them all

[icy knoll]

and i still think poppy playtime is good

sure, not the best horror

[celest thorn]

Ok im not in that level

[sinful bronze]

Poppy playtime is a mid horror

[celest thorn]

In vr i think i will shit my pants

[icy knoll]

then dont say "play some real horror" to me

[celest thorn]

I played alot

But never alien because its scary

Asf

Like that one

Is

[icy knoll]

smh

[celest thorn]

honestly

i might

[icy knoll]

poppy playtime is a great horror

[celest thorn]

buy it

and play it in vr

because why?

idk

[spare zodiac]

zer0

[celest thorn]

yea?

[spare zodiac]

have you tried removing door game object that is not door?

like the locked door in vt

[celest thorn]

every door has a lock

but you cannot

Oh that door is fake

is part of the mesh lol

[spare zodiac]

teleporter has to be build infront of the door when expanding map because of it

[thin shuttle]

Yeap

[celest thorn]

i shot down a french airplane (2 minutes ago)

[thin shuttle]

Likely all door that go out of the map are made from mesh

[spare zodiac]

Why is multithreading not more used in plugin development? Like eg. for coroutines?

[celest thorn]

ragebaiting

[upper vapor]

it doesn't make sense
creating threads can be expensive, plus, you're probably doing light work in coroutines anyway

[spare zodiac]

it's simple enough to understand, so is it not in 4.8 framework or people are just not using or epic SL/unity limitation?

[upper vapor]

you need to take thread safety into account

jumping between threads is not very simple

there's Awaitable though

you can't invoke unity stuff from outside the main thread

[spare zodiac]

so I can use threads as coroutines without any problems then?

[upper vapor]

the question is, why would you

for long-running IO tasks, it makes sense

for coroutines, no

[spare zodiac]

sense in my context and other people is very different like I'm waiting for extension properties when a lot of people online said it wouldn't make sense

[celest thorn]

what are you saying?

[upper vapor]

waiting for extension properties when a lot of people online said it wouldn't make sense

if someone says that, they need to perish

[upper vapor]

explain how multithreading would make sense in your context

[royal mica]

Also you have to keep in mind, the game itself is single threaded, so modifying the game in a separate thread might mean you are already frames behind

[grand flower]

You're not even able to modify the game in another thread

You'll likely cause crashes

[spare zodiac]

guys it's not looking good

I can only make calculations and not for example use showhint :(

it's still useful for things I'm going to do so yea

could I do calculations for my object though? The object would be for example body and would have property blood which I would make thread that would take care of logic of the blood, that should work though right?

[unique crane]

You cant even set unity stuff on another thread than main one

[spare zodiac]

or get

[unique crane]

You can get it

no issues with that

[royal mica]

You can with dispatch magic

[unique crane]

but you cannot set it

[unique crane]

Yes but you do like run on main thread no?

[spare zodiac]

WAIT REALLY?

🔥

[royal mica]

Just create a threadsafe lambda queue on main thread and put the lambdas you want to execute on main from the htread

it'll be safe trust

[spare zodiac]

the questions is could I treat coroutines as threads and make like 10 coroutines at same time doing thing and then synchronizing them?

[royal mica]

Coroutines are technically syncronized

They do not require thread safety

[spare zodiac]

david recode the game to multithread trust the process

[royal mica]

You need a deterministic game engine for that

even Factorio has a huge problem with multithreading

[spare zodiac]

I saw job system that unity has and you can use to code multithreaded in unity though haven't looked to it very much

[upper vapor]

but why 😭

[grand flower]

It's not something you can just slap on and use for everything

Also yeah what are you doing that even needs multithreading

[upper vapor]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[royal mica]

Teeechnically, if you are able to make pure functions, you can multithread those, BUT you need to properly handle

[grand flower]

Again, why though

[royal mica]

To fuck with the game and come back in 3 months why server randomly dies

I've been there

I'm currently there

[grand flower]

There's like, zero reasons for multithreading of anything gameplay related

The only multithreading I do is to run a TCP socket in a background thread

[royal mica]

I want to vectorial calculate + AI train the coefficient of all player vectors matrix multiplied by trained model so I can determine if an apples falls far from the tree, does the sun eat burritos on sunday

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[spare zodiac]

calculation for hints and medical system like when player should be unconsious so I thought having for example 30 threads is better to calculatr stuff

[grand flower]

I'm calling 911 on your behalf I believe you're having a stroke

[grand flower]

No

[royal mica]

Absolutely not

[grand flower]

You do not need multithreading

[upper vapor]

you're gonna explode the server with that

[grand flower]

And you cannot

And you shouldn't

[royal mica]

Please trust, you are head diving into such a headache, that you jsut give up midway

You are not only loosing performance, debugging will be a pure nightmare

[grand flower]

Those calculations are also stupid simple

[spare zodiac]

it will give me experience to use alongside, sounds like a good deal

[grand flower]

That's not experience

You should never multithread something like that

[royal mica]

This will give you negative experience, since you'll hammer in the fact that you can multithread games

[spare zodiac]

everything is experience

[grand flower]

It's extremely bad

Trust me, you will never do this in an actual project

[upper vapor]

ditching a plan is also experience, you'll know when to quit

[spare zodiac]

guys trust the process

[grand flower]

There is no scenario where what you're doing is legit

Games don't work that way

[upper vapor]

this is kinda rage baiting at this point 😭

Xname tell them

[grand flower]

Heh

[terse bone]

like cpus these days run 5+ billion operations per second on single core, why bother with multithreading so simple task?

[grand flower]

I mean go ahead and have fun getting nowhere

It literally won't work

[spare zodiac]

I had before few NPCs (30) and calculating things for them like moves was a headache

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-angry-screaming-russia-gif-19216121

[grand flower]

And you think multithreading is gonna solve that

Have you ever done multithreading before, out of curiosity

[royal mica]

Does multithreading solve marriage?

[upper vapor]

yes you can do one thing while your partner does another thing

[grand flower]

You reminded me I need to order a ring LOL

[upper vapor]

-# you're both separate processes

[grand flower]

Holy shit this is random as fuck

[spare zodiac]

no, just saw it today :D

[grand flower]

Anyway, don't do multithreading for gameplay stuff, your scenario has 0 need for it, it'll break, you'll hate yourself

Even more the reason not to

[terse bone]

yeah, but it leads to arguments (race conditions)

[grand flower]

You have no experience with it and I'm not joking when I say it won't work

You don't do gameplay stuff outside of the main thread for games

[upper vapor]

learns new thing
"i need to use it right now for everything"
has a mental breakdown

[grand flower]

It's impossible*

[upper vapor]

it's not worth it

[grand flower]

*except for very specific cases, which aren't yours, and require you being an experienced programmer

[upper vapor]

how to have a proper conversation:
await

[royal mica]

I think even experienced programmers do not touch threading with a 10 feet pole

[upper vapor]

and don't cancel every cts

[grand flower]

I do, both in SL and at work

[royal mica]

Sorry babe, cannot respond, _babe lock is in use

[grand flower]

But I also know what I'm doing and I tread extremely carefully

I can't imagine a new programmer trying to do it haphazardly especially in a game

Best case, you'll crash

Worst case, you'll crash

[hearty shard]

hi chat

[grand flower]

Hi Eve

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.is-a-good.site/🐀/f7nittsu.png

[grand flower]

And this is Unity

Best case at my work is I crash

[upper vapor]

can you tell this guy to stop thinking about multithreading the game

[spare zodiac]

halo ich bin saskyc

[hearty shard]

what about it

[grand flower]

Worst case is memory corruption and I have to debug it for 2 weeks straight

[hearty shard]

you can figure that out im sure

[upper vapor]

read the chat

[hearty shard]

worst case you just go gambling

i cant read

[spare zodiac]

oh I am going to multithread so much

[royal mica]

gambling, but 100% lose rate

[grand flower]

Your funeral

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

[grand flower]

We've talked enough about it hah

[spare zodiac]

exactly

you warned me like 20 times already and I'm still dumb enough to try it zo ye

[hearty shard]

cyn would you give me money for my gambling addiction

[grand flower]

If I had money

Times be tough, game dev industry too

[grand flower]

At least you're self aware, good luck

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sob-emoji-uoh-gif-5219683429330963557

[grand flower]

yoink

That gif is mine

[upper vapor]

i stole it too

[grand flower]

Dang

[upper vapor]

well have fun i guess
just know that it's like going through the most deadly traps to get to your destination on a route that's 10x longer than the fully safe road next to it

[restive turret]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji12-emoji-12-cat-cat-stare-stare-gif-3046852822879001726

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-fury-movie-shoot-that-guy-gif-8829002926137263043

[hearty shard]

alright chat

time for skibidi toilet simulator

[upper vapor]

no

time for secretapi v2 stable release

[restive turret]

wdzm i just got here

[upper vapor]

kezboard lazout moment

[hearty shard]

if you tested everything

[upper vapor]

i haven't tested anything

[restive turret]

just write test

[hearty shard]

ive been busy

[upper vapor]

[spare zodiac]

the fully safe road is for safe thread people

[hearty shard]

like i said

busy!

[upper vapor]

drake laptop gif

[royal mica]

ű

[upper vapor]

XDD

[hearty shard]

btw

[restive turret]

lel

[hearty shard]

werent u using settings

[restive turret]

what

[hearty shard]

of secretapi 2.0

specifically

thats the only thing i wanted you to test lol

[spare zodiac]

dangerous threads = better performace
-# this 100% is not ragebait

[hearty shard]

like i had it working but i cant guarantee it works on other machines rn

[upper vapor]

yeah i'll test it later

[hearty shard]

ok cool

otherwise theres uh

CallOnUnloadAttribute but

its so similiar to CallOnLoad that i dont know if i care to test it

everything else i have in my own project and is just a copy

[carmine prawn]

is OnPlayerUsedItem unreliable?

[grand flower]

Define unreliable

[hearty shard]

cyn why arent u rich

[grand flower]

Job dried up

Waiting for new contracts

Got enough savings for a while so it's fine for now

[hearty shard]

im broke

💔

[grand flower]

Rip

[carmine prawn]

recording a video

minute

[grand flower]

Is it that you can cancel the event by switching item before the animation ends

If so, yeah

We've known about it for a looooooong time on Bright's but the playerbase wants to keep that bug in

[carmine prawn]

yep

[grand flower]

Because it's become a mechanic heh

[carmine prawn]

exactly

[grand flower]

Up to you if you wanna report it

[carmine prawn]

why not?

[grand flower]

I mean yeah it's a bug

I'll have to break it again if NW fixes it

Or well, another dev can, not working on SL stuff until i get motivation back

[carmine prawn]

💀

[hearty shard]

Does anyone have the SCP SL logo

either the ingame or the server icon for disc

[hearty shard]

thanks

[upper vapor]

np

[inner citrus]

Here you go

[solid mica]

Here ya go

[carmine prawn]

bigger

[hearty shard]

nerds

[upper vapor]

omg when did they update it

[restive turret]

@hearty shard

[hearty shard]

nice quality

[restive turret]

ty

[mild ice]

Gif version

Static version

[royal mica]

@icy knoll

Does anyone have idea why RA_ is being replaced then in RA player list:

          stringBuilder.Append("<color={RA_ClassColor}>(").Append(hub.PlayerId).Append(") ");
          stringBuilder.Append(hub.nicknameSync.CombinedName.Replace("\n", string.Empty).Replace("RA_", string.Empty)).Append("</color>");
          stringBuilder.AppendLine();

It does some funny RA thing

Also no plugins used at all here, FYI

Also it happens when using steam name as well

Mainly my question: Why replace RA_ and what impact does it do

[icy knoll]

i imagine it's because RA_ is added to the start sometimes, when it actually doesn't exist in people's names

so they replaced it

[celest thorn]

yo does someone have MER

i need a schematic to be compiled

[inner citrus]

a while ago

[unique crane]

I believe this is to not break the parsing client side?

Can you check if it does something if you have that in your name?

[royal mica]

This happens

This only happens in RA playerlist

I do not know other instances where it is replaced

[unique crane]

From my search

nowhere else

But the RA list is send as a one giant string

That is then parsed and such

[celest thorn]

david do you have MER installed?
unity one

[unique crane]

No

[celest thorn]

sad

[unique crane]

I used MapForge

[celest thorn]

Oh crazy

i need a mer schem to be compiled

[unique crane]

Couldnt get mer to work

[celest thorn]

lol

[unique crane]

😭

[celest thorn]

and reinstalling unity 2021

with project would take me 20 hours

so thanks no

[unique crane]

Leave it overnight

[celest thorn]

im building a map rn

so

i kinda need it

i found someone lol

on the exiled discord

[unique crane]

oki

[blissful pike]

What is 0harmony and why do people use it?

[random scaffold]

https://harmony.pardeike.net/articles/

[hearty shard]

https://harmony.pardeike.net/articles/intro.html

[celest thorn]

My love harmony

[severe cave]

Why isnt there a door name for the scp 049s gate and 173s gate in hcz

is there a way to get it somehow?

[upper vapor]

door.GameObject.name

[celest thorn]

Is chat dead

[restive turret]

Yes

[celest thorn]

So sad

[spare zodiac]

is lightbul breakint client sided or server sided/patchable to not break & start blackout in room?

[upper vapor]

Scp2176Item::ServerShatter

[celest thorn]

ServerShat

[severe cave]

if a door doesnt have a Doorname then it is none?

[upper vapor]

ServerShartbound

[upper vapor]

you can use door.GameObject.name

to identify what exactly it is

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.is-a-good.site/🐀/hs5z7jk8.png

Nah

Embed worked

[celest thorn]

Not this time

[upper vapor]

WHAT

[severe cave]

Then when does a door have doorName.none?

[upper vapor]

because it's not that special

[celest thorn]

Nah crazy

[severe cave]

?

[upper vapor]

😭😭😭

[celest thorn]

4 rats are inside me

[severe cave]

when

[severe cave]

?what

[celest thorn]

When the door is useless

[upper vapor]

it's not special enough to have a DoorName assigned

[restive turret]

Wnen the doors feel like it

[celest thorn]

Today i feel like i will renounce my having a name

[restive turret]

[severe cave]

bruh

[celest thorn]

like its that the reason

don't ask us, ask nw

[upper vapor]

"today i identify as "

[celest thorn]

lol

[celest thorn]

door without a name

[restive turret]

The one shall not be named

[celest thorn]

the shat one

[sinful bronze]

Today i will a room named none

[upper vapor]

the rat shat the shart

[celest thorn]

what will that room have?

just a capybara

or a capybara room

walls are the capybara

[sinful bronze]

Secret egg!!!!

Voices in the walls

[celest thorn]

1/10000000000000000000000th chance to spawn

[upper vapor]

10000x speaker toys with the same controller id and very low volume

[sinful bronze]

New achivement - shizo voice in ur mind

[sinful bronze]

Meow

[celest thorn]

I love that sound its so well made

meow

[upper vapor]

i turned the camera in unity and the whole computer froze for 5 seconds

[sinful bronze]

For this sound audio designer use own audio tape in the nw basement

[celest thorn]

they probably used as references their voices in their heads

[spare zodiac]

are the broken doors synchronized to be same with all the clients or is it same as with ragdolls?

[celest thorn]

Wdym?

[spare zodiac]

the door when it's broken like from grenade and flies across the room is it client sided or server sided synchronized with all clients?

[celest thorn]

i guess its synced

[sinful bronze]

robloxer

unity update

[slender lynx]

@celest thorn nerd

[celest thorn]

;(

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sob-emoji-uoh-gif-5219683429330963557

[unique crane]

@celest thorn @upper vapor Are you two in the VC for the whole day...?

[celest thorn]

nah

i joined after 5 hours

that i spent making a hub

[slender lynx]

no more talking

BACK TO WORK

[celest thorn]

ok

;(

[slender lynx]

[upper vapor]

she's working

you go back to work building the towers

[slender lynx]

im at work work

makin money

[upper vapor]

boo

[icy knoll]

pay zero that money :3

[upper vapor]

yez

[slender lynx]

ur hilarious

zero gets paid in exposure

[celest thorn]

i don't want even that i told you

[upper vapor]

can you give her like a slice of bread

[celest thorn]

lol

[icy knoll]

just for that comment i’m paying my staff next month

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/robertdowneyjr-wide-eye-tony-stark-iron-man-avengers-gif-7766118

[celest thorn]

paying i do everything for love

[icy knoll]

exposure is not payment and it should be a crime

[celest thorn]

||and showing how fucking this game is dogshit||

those are my motives

[upper vapor]

999 tiktok likes

wow, such an accomplishment

[icy knoll]

i find it funny when people go to private jet charter companies and say “give me a jet to miami and ill tag you in my ig post”

fucking influencers man

[celest thorn]

don't become taylor swift please

[unique crane]

How about you give me money and pay for the jet xd

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-24498059

[celest thorn]

AHHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[unique crane]

If I were the company xd

[icy knoll]

david stop tryna extort people smh

[celest thorn]

nw doesn't pay enough

i mean david is cool

[upper vapor]

export?

[unique crane]

this

[upper vapor]

[unique crane]

Deport eve

[hearty shard]

deport david

[celest thorn]

I support you

[hearty shard]

legally not allowed to be here

[hearty shard]

ur getting kicked out

[celest thorn]

#DavidPresident2026

[unique crane]

president of what

[celest thorn]

SCPSL

idk

[hearty shard]

i thought that was hubert

r u killing hubert

thats not nice

[icy knoll]

extort, it’s a word

[upper vapor]

trónfosztás

throne withdrawal

dethroning

yes

that's the word

[upper vapor]

i was trolling

[hearty shard]

i think we call that "murder"

[upper vapor]

um

have you attended a single history class

[celest thorn]

i love devchat

[hearty shard]

no

[celest thorn]

because its nameless being mean

[hearty shard]

well

yes

[hearty shard]

yall threatened to deport me first

[celest thorn]

you are mean to all of us

[unique crane]

Never mess with a country that invented defenestration

[hearty shard]

u deserve it

[upper vapor]

XDDDD

1419

that's ancient

[slender lynx]

zero is not getting paid
eve is getting deported
everybody wins

[unique crane]

Yes

[celest thorn]

i don't wanna get paid

[hearty shard]

zeros weird and wants to be homeless

[unique crane]

Ill take the money then

[upper vapor]

we're 50% there

[celest thorn]

you know how many people said the same thing

i lost count

[slender lynx]

and not payin any of.yall

[unique crane]

I dont see anyone else saying that in here

so 0

[celest thorn]

nw pays you already 0.00001cc

[unique crane]

Also yall seen this crazy thing? XD

[celest thorn]

and gives you the basement

[unique crane]

Absolute cinema

[celest thorn]

2 fps every thousands years

thats why meow exist

[upper vapor]

me when no smoothinput

and no primitive movement smoothing

i hate it sm when people make a recording in game and you can see them turn the camera instantly

please press the tilde, type smootinput and enter 😭😭

or use the filmmaker

-# ik it's not very good but like

[slender lynx]

@celest thorn remember this update

[unique crane]

what the fuck

[celest thorn]

crazy

[hearty shard]

ofc maro makes that

[upper vapor]

deport maro too

[unique crane]

For that? yea

[celest thorn]

nah

[slender lynx]

the best tower ever

[celest thorn]

she is cool

nameless

[celest thorn]

im trying to save you stupid

[upper vapor]

+259577

[slender lynx]

d1 hater

all of yall

[hearty shard]

zero you watch skibidi toilet

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.is-a-good.site/🐀/4qxqbld3.png

chat does it look like shit?

[unique crane]

Whats that

[slender lynx]

i was locked in

[celest thorn]

it should be vines

[slender lynx]

not bad for citadel room

needs more detail tho

[upper vapor]

have you considered prefabs

[restive turret]

Consider deez nuts

[unique crane]

Maybe its 156775678 enemy types

[slender lynx]

what

[unique crane]

you never know

[celest thorn]

bro calm down i started 10 minutes ago

[slender lynx]

no i mean its good start

[celest thorn]

i put so many details in other section that it took me 1 hour just to do the corridor

pots

[slender lynx]

just do whatev to make it look good

[celest thorn]

i think in 2 days i will have everything ready lol

[slender lynx]

the limit is 200k

otherwise 59 tps

:(

[celest thorn]

rn im probably less than 8k

because it takes nothing to load it

[slender lynx]

light work

[celest thorn]

compared to the old one

https://ratcentral.is-a-good.site/🐀/2ey4hgy6.png

just saying

[slender lynx]

,,, no fuckin way

[unique crane]

capybara with wings?

I think I cooked this shortcut

[celest thorn]

capybee

[celest thorn]

cool

[slender lynx]

is this the surface rework

[unique crane]

Real

[upper vapor]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.1/Documentation/Manual/prefabs-introduction.html

[slender lynx]

i know what prefabs are

[upper vapor]

then use them instead of copy-pasting the same structure over and over pls

[slender lynx]

but editing a prefab without unpacking is a pain in the ass

[upper vapor]

not really

[slender lynx]

im not prefabbing a cube

[upper vapor]

not one cube

a group of cubes

[hearty shard]

cube prefab

[slender lynx]

thats STUPIS

like me

[upper vapor]

yes

[slender lynx]

im not doing it

[upper vapor]

prefabs aren't stupid though

[slender lynx]

also unity6k

[upper vapor]

i'll get zero to go on strike

[restive turret]

Counter strike?

[upper vapor]

countering the maro

[slender lynx]

good luck with that

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/scp-939-939-dog-scp-sl-scp-gif-1519866487959272020

[tulip kiln]

Sorry for interrupting your prefab conversation, but does anyone have a solution to a plugin destroying StaticUnityMethods by exceptioning?

[upper vapor]

try catch

[tulip kiln]

Excluding a try-catch around every subscriber

[upper vapor]

um

is it your plugin?

[tulip kiln]

Yes

[upper vapor]

you could make a try-catch wrapper function

method with an Action parameter that try-catches the action

if you wanna unsubscribe, you'll need to store the wrapped method

[tulip kiln]

So like my own staticmethods that subscribes to the actual staticmethods

[upper vapor]

kinda

i guess you could do

static Action SubscribeToUpdateSafe(Action action)
{
    Action wrapped = () => { try { action() } catch {} };
    StaticUnityMethods.OnUpdate += wrapped;
    return wrapped;
}

you can also make a custom component with the Update() method (i'm not talking about another version of StaticUnityMethods)
that'll log the exceptions to the LA log, no need for explicit try catch

add it to a player if it's player-specific and it'll be destroyed when they leave

[tulip kiln]

Unfortunately I need the "fix" to be a generic solution. I did this:

public static class StaticUnityMethods
{
    static StaticUnityMethods()
    {
        global::StaticUnityMethods.OnUpdate += Update;
        global::StaticUnityMethods.OnFixedUpdate += FixedUpdate;
        global::StaticUnityMethods.OnLateUpdate += LateUpdate;
    }

    public static event Action OnUpdate;

    public static event Action OnLateUpdate;

    public static event Action OnFixedUpdate;

    public static void Update()
    {
        if (OnUpdate == null)
            return;

        foreach (Delegate subscriber in OnUpdate.GetInvocationList())
        {
            try
            {
                subscriber?.DynamicInvoke();
            }
            catch (Exception ex)
            {
                Logger.Error(ex);
            }
        }
    }

    public static void FixedUpdate()
    {
        if (OnFixedUpdate == null)
            return;

        foreach (Delegate subscriber in OnFixedUpdate.GetInvocationList())
        {
            try
            {
                subscriber?.DynamicInvoke();
            }
            catch (Exception ex)
            {
                Logger.Error(ex);
            }
        }
    }

    public static void LateUpdate()
    {
        if (OnLateUpdate == null)
            return;

        foreach (Delegate subscriber in OnLateUpdate.GetInvocationList())
        {
            try
            {
                subscriber?.DynamicInvoke();
            }
            catch (Exception ex)
            {
                Logger.Error(ex);
            }
        }
    }
}

Are there any major reasons for not doing this?

[upper vapor]

that works, too

[tulip kiln]

Ok now it complains the original StaticUnityMethods class conflicts with my global using so I have to do it for each usage

💀

[upper vapor]

StaticUpdates

rename it

[tulip kiln]

You're too smart 🙏

Ok has anyone had this happen?

[2025-07-15 21:48:37.641 +02:00] [STDOUT] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
[2025-07-15 21:48:37.641 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at UnityEngine.Bindings.ThrowHelper.ThrowNullReferenceException (System.Object obj) [0x00018] in <6869b1608d104370ab4484f8f699b3fc>:0
[2025-07-15 21:48:37.641 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at UnityEngine.Component.get_gameObject () [0x00006] in <6869b1608d104370ab4484f8f699b3fc>:0
[2025-07-15 21:48:37.642 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at ReferenceHub.GetHashCode () [0x00000] in <093a5c0d652d42d593cd177a9f57d69f>:0
[2025-07-15 21:48:37.642 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].FindEntry (TKey key) [0x00035] in <13c0c460649d4ce49f991e2c222fa635>:0
[2025-07-15 21:48:37.642 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].TryGetValue (TKey key, TValue& value) [0x00000] in <13c0c460649d4ce49f991e2c222fa635>:0
[2025-07-15 21:48:37.643 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at CollectionExtensions.GetOrAdd[TKey,TValue] (System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue] dictionary, TKey key, System.Func`1[TResult] factory) [0x00000] in <093a5c0d652d42d593cd177a9f57d69f>:0
[2025-07-15 21:48:37.643 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Items.Firearms.Ammo.ReserveAmmoSync.UpdateDelta () [0x00032] in <093a5c0d652d42d593cd177a9f57d69f>:0
[2025-07-15 21:48:37.644 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Items.Firearms.Ammo.ReserveAmmoSync+<>c.<Init>b__2_3 () [0x00008] in <093a5c0d652d42d593cd177a9f57d69f>:0
[2025-07-15 21:48:37.644 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at (wrapper delegate-invoke) <Module>.invoke_void()
[2025-07-15 21:48:37.644 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at StaticUnityMethods.Update () [0x00009] in <093a5c0d652d42d593cd177a9f57d69f>:0

When the round restarts

[rugged laurel]

I have but i could never reproduce the issue

If u have a way to reproduce the issue that be cool

I just patched in the null check to that method for when it happens

But if you can reproduce it be better to find the cause

[terse bone]

happened to me, patched ReferenceHub.GetHashCode() so it used System.Object::GetHashCode()

idk if it can be done without transpiler

[HarmonyPriority(Priority.VeryLow)]
[HarmonyPatchCategory(Constants.AutomaticPatchCategory)]
[HarmonyPatch(typeof(ReferenceHub), nameof(ReferenceHub.GetHashCode))]
internal static class FixReferenceHubGetHashCodePatch
{
    private static IEnumerable<CodeInstruction> Transpiler(IEnumerable<CodeInstruction> instructions)
    {
        return
        [
            new CodeInstruction(OpCodes.Ldarg_0),
            new CodeInstruction(OpCodes.Call, AccessTools.Method(typeof(object), nameof(GetHashCode))),
            new CodeInstruction(OpCodes.Ret),
        ];
    }
}

just ignore that patchcategory attribute

[icy knoll]

@unique crane here is a new issue for you

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/216

so many issues...

[unique crane]

Yeah gonna go through them and close the resolved ones

next update

[restive turret]

In 14.1.2

[restive turret]

Case too! I want CamelCase

[rain isle]

@icy knoll are you finally coding lootboxes into scp:sl

[grand flower]

Commented on https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/215

Bit of an odd request I know

[upper vapor]

your previous pfp was cuter imo

[icy knoll]

yeah, the key system is a bit wack tho, have to get around these darn scamming laws...

/j

[rain isle]

dang

[upper vapor]

poor kitty :((

[unique crane]

No problem with adding that I guess

[icy knoll]

david ur awesome ty

[unique crane]

That will make plugins fight for it

so no

Only additions

no changes

[rain isle]

facts

the 🐐

[upper vapor]

PascalCase for yaml 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

[unique crane]

That would break every single plugin

💀

[upper vapor]

just read it with the both naming strategies

[unique crane]

no

Why do you even care for serialized naming convention

[upper vapor]

because i hate snake case

[restive turret]

Same

[upper vapor]

🤝

[royal mica]

I hate yaml

[restive turret]

Ah yes let me
s_c_p_long_name_that_need_million_this_things

[unique crane]

YOur getting deported along eve

[upper vapor]

toml

[unique crane]

Tf is toml

[royal mica]

can we have XML pleas

[icy knoll]

dumb config type

[upper vapor]

https://toml.io/en/

[restive turret]

Can We go back to json instead

[unique crane]

U can do your own serializer deserializer

[upper vapor]

erm people don't understand json

[restive turret]

Skill issue

Literally skill issue

[upper vapor]

server hosts strying to figure out how to make an object

[unique crane]

Yaml is still dumb client friendly

kinda

[upper vapor]

yeah

[hearty shard]

nuh uh

false

[restive turret]

Not my fault

[icy knoll]

throw eve out the chat /j

[restive turret]

Read documentation or something

[upper vapor]

protobuf

[unique crane]

@icy knoll remove her role

[upper vapor]

more protogens

[restive turret]

memorypack

[upper vapor]

:3

[icy knoll]

dont have perms 💔

[hearty shard]

kill lumi

lumis lumi

i should find the old screenshots

[terse bone]

messagepack* :3

[unique crane]

Are we gonna serialize configs in your protogen language

[hearty shard]

david arent u a protogen enjoyer too

[upper vapor]

https://protobuf.dev/

.proto files

[restive turret]

hUH

[unique crane]

Thats peak

[unique crane]

I mean I dont mind them

I know a lot of protos

[upper vapor]

:3c

[hearty shard]

i keep forgetting ur not a protogen too

[upper vapor]

he's david

[hearty shard]

well

yes...

[restive turret]

Am I missing some lore

[upper vapor]

david basement lore

[restive turret]

I definitely think I miss something

[upper vapor]

i guess

[unique crane]

what

[upper vapor]

better idea

for config serialization

dump the .NET objects' memory

[restive turret]

Just don't

Don't make things configuratable

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-think-the-rock-meme-gif-24810091

[unique crane]

Man just hardcode everything

easy

[royal mica]

obviously we should use serialized PHP objects

which is just fucked up json

[unique crane]

Minecraft blocks

[upper vapor]

[upper vapor]

OMG

true

barrels

[restive turret]

doom wad file

[royal mica]

CS2 demo file

[restive turret]

Or doom save game

[royal mica]

oh god

[unique crane]

Hide it in a png file

[restive turret]

Save it inside an electron tube

[unique crane]

Remember it

[royal mica]

just save the code in all different possible configuration state and just rename enabled_ff_true_.disabled.cs to plugin.cs and just load the .cs on demand

[unique crane]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[severe cave]

when a player doesnt have a current item than it is null or none?

[hearty shard]

its null

[severe cave]

thx

[true cedar]

do any of you know how the fuck the aspect ratio works for hints

im trying to place a hint on the far left/right side of the hint display based on the aspect ratio

and i got a formula that mostly works but not exactly and i need it to be exact

[static meteor]

Something like this

[upper vapor]

those are insane magic numbers

[tulip kiln]

This looks like you decompiled someone else's code

😭

(which isn't bad btw)

I didn't even know Hubs sent the server their aspect ratio

time to make my hints compatible I guess

[true cedar]

this didnt work for me

it was close but not quite

[grand flower]

on another note, when are we getting int serials

[true cedar]

like it returns -253 for 1.6, when its closer to -265

[hearty shard]

Huh

[true cedar]

serials for items as ints and not ushorts

[grand flower]

^

one of our servers reached 49770 somehow

[true cedar]

let me guess

mayhem

[grand flower]

well, yeah

do they not get reset on round restart?

[true cedar]

i dont think they are

but they reset when it gets over 65000

[hearty shard]

Sob

[grand flower]

wtf

10/10

[true cedar]

i came up with -28.36087 * hub.aspectRatioSync.XScreenEdge + 1097.44754 which gives a kinda close number but its usually around 5 px away which isn't good enough

[true cedar]

okay

if one of u can figure out how to get this to work properly and consistently

ill give u like

$10

through nitro prob

[grand flower]

Clientside UI when /s

[true cedar]

i dont need client side ui i just need this fucking resolution thing to work T_T

ill up the price too istg

[grand flower]

No amount of money will make me mess around with hints

Good that they're a thing, awful that we dont have better UI support

[true cedar]

not even like $30?

[grand flower]

My rates are higher and I'd rather not fight with SL

Also at work atm

[true cedar]

$5000

[grand flower]

If you're able to pay that much just to mess around with the hint system, you should probably consider starting your own SCP project

[true cedar]

scp: with ui

[grand flower]

The list of stuff SL does wrong or bad is long so

Enjoy the free case study

[true cedar]

i dont actually have that money tho so

[grand flower]

I'm sure someone's working on a game anyway

[true cedar]

i figured it out none of you gets any money

to get the total screen width given a certain aspect ratio, it's just aspectRatio * 1080

subtract that by 1200 (display area width) and divide by two for the position offset needed to get on the far left/right side of the screen

no polynomials needed

[grand flower]

Wait that was the question

Could've answered it easily heh

[true cedar]

well

anyways if any of you want a more accurate "get left x position" function here you go:

public float GetLeftXPosition(float aspectRatio)
{
    const float Base = 1080;
    const float DisplayScreenSize = 1200f;

    return ((aspectRatio * Base) - DisplayScreenSize) / -2f;
}

[random scaffold]

paws math moment

is it possible OnWaitingForPlayers not be called?

[true cedar]

well

if the server crashes or hangs

[grand flower]

Always calls for us

[random scaffold]

Sender.SenderId is user id?

[celest thorn]

just get the player

[random scaffold]

ev.CommandName is Command or can be aliase?

[spare zodiac]

try it and see, log it

[ionic prawn]

When i try to set the AmmoStored on a gun with the magazineModule it says its read only how can i fix it?

    Item? item = player.AddItem(ItemType.ParticleDisruptor);
    if (item == null)
        return false;

    Firearm doortoggler = (Firearm)item.Base;
    if (!doortoggler.TryGetModules(out MagazineModule magazineModule, out AutomaticActionModule automaticActionModule)) { return false; }

    magazineModule.AmmoStored = 0;
    magazineModule.ServerResyncData();

[restive turret]

ServerSetAmmo or whatever the method name

[ionic prawn]

ty

btw it was ServerModifyAmmo i think

[random scaffold]

how show text like here in panel?

dont works

[unique crane]

Yes

ServerModifyAmmo()

[ionic prawn]

how can i make so it dosent break

/ Particle Disruptor

[restive turret]

Set ammo to 1

[worn gull]

Hi! Why's that if I teleport sb out of a custom room they get teleported back instantly, but if I set a delay they're not getting teleported back

[restive turret]

Because immediately runs the other check

[worn gull]

ThinkingCeption

OOOOHHHHH

bruh~4 I'm stupid

[restive turret]

Ye ik

Np

[worn gull]

Thanks xd

[upper vapor]

do you use negative <pos> to move it outside of the canvas?

[upper vapor]

drake laptop

[upper vapor]

use an ItemAddReason when giving the item

something other than StartingItem

ref: #plugins-dev-chat message

[ionic prawn]

i only need it to detect what mode it is on and left click/ shooting without destroying anything

[random scaffold]

nw moment

triple david moment

[spare zodiac]

yo persons how could I make rigidbody on object freeze at ends of the objects?

For example having cable connected from one device to another.

I haven't seen ANY things being said about this and I don't think it'll be possible to use, but better to ask.

Smth like ConfigurableJoint?

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.1/Documentation/Manual/class-ConfigurableJoint.html

[royal mica]

You need to prefix the response with <command># <command> being the command in uppercase

If that is RA response text

[grand flower]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.1/Documentation/Manual/Constraints.html

[spare zodiac]

thank you Cyn

[upper vapor]

are you telling me this exists

i wrote my own connector 😭

[spare zodiac]

what all components are usable? Is there possible list what SL supports or something like GetAllComponents type of thing?

[grand flower]

Mods can do anything Unity related

You can make components if you wish

[spare zodiac]

I must download the whole Constraints component though like from somewhere to use it in my project similar with Navmesh?

[grand flower]

Reference UnityEngine.dll

Use the one in the dedicated server binaries

[spare zodiac]

makes sense alr

so I can even use the before I sent configurable joint?

[upper vapor]

most (if not all) builtin unity components are available

[grand flower]

They're all available

Whether or not SL plays nicely with them is something else

Especially considering the lack of clientside mods

[upper vapor]

what if they didn't include one unity module

[grand flower]

I guess

[spare zodiac]

I can't add all components to player though right? Like adding rigidbody to them can't make them fall or adding some component to their camera object

[upper vapor]

you can but it won't sync unless you sync it manually

[grand flower]

^

[spare zodiac]

sync it manually?

[grand flower]

You don't have access to the client side of things

[upper vapor]

override position

[grand flower]

Some things that you'll do on the server just wont show up for clients

Or will probably feel like shit

[upper vapor]

so i could just delete this entirely

public sealed class LocalZRotationInterpolator : MonoBehaviour
    {

        [SerializeField]
        private Transform from;

        [SerializeField]
        private Transform to;

        [SerializeField]
        private Vector3 mask;

        [SerializeField]
        private float offset;

        private Transform _t;

        private void Awake() => _t = transform;

        private void LateUpdate()
        {
            var fromMasked = Vector3.Scale(from.localEulerAngles, mask);
            var toMasked = Vector3.Scale(to.localEulerAngles, mask);
            var current = _t.localEulerAngles;
            current.z = Mathf.LerpAngle(
                fromMasked.x + fromMasked.y + fromMasked.z,
                toMasked.x + toMasked.y + toMasked.z,
                0.5f
            ) + offset;
            _t.localEulerAngles = current;
        }

    }

[grand flower]

Probably

Also

Did you seriously do a one liner Awake method

[upper vapor]

yes

[grand flower]

This is wrong on so many levels

[upper vapor]

i ain't having transform calls every frame

[grand flower]

Okay but

Expression body really

For this

[spare zodiac]

so theoretically synchronizing could cause player being ragdoll, but not dead

[upper vapor]

i use expression body wherever possible

[grand flower]

I use it for getters

Off with your head for that one

[grand flower]

Wdym

[upper vapor]

idc

[upper vapor]

you can't make the player a ragdoll

[spare zodiac]

connecting player with rigidbody component making them fall

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-fury-movie-shoot-that-guy-gif-8829002926137263043

[grand flower]

It'll make them fall, probably

Just dunno how good it'll look to the player

[upper vapor]

why can't you just use gravity...

[upper vapor]

why

[grand flower]

Less readable than just having curly braces

For getters, fine

For setters, in very specific scenarios, but probably okay

For methods, never

[upper vapor]

i don't need two extra lines to do one assignment

[grand flower]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper vapor]

[grand flower]

It's just not as readable

I'd get shot for doing that at work