oh i rember, i didn't make a PR last time cuz the changes hadn't been merged
#plugins-dev-chat
celest thorn
stay on surface <:Smart:885618421763567647>
Surface GONE
celest thorn
i mean i don't wanna teleport people to the tower
upper vapor
are you actually not able to define your own?
celest thorn
for just a split second
upper vapor
for just a split second
i'm not sure if there's a way really
other than staying in the bounds of surface
upper vapor
or else i make a skybox with a ball
bru
true cedar
are you actually not able to define your own?
probably not
celest thorn
Effect Sky or else FogControl
true cedar
c# did it in such a stupid fucking way
upper vapor
probably not
shame
do the span alternate lookups consider the IEqualityomparer?
like if i have it ignore case
true cedar
i mean also prob not
true cedar
c# did it in such a stupid fucking way
rather than having a like TryGetValueUsing<T>(T value) where T : IAlternateLookup<string>, allows ref struct
true cedar
rather than having a like TryGetValueUsing<T>(T value) where T : IAlternateLooku...
ig hashing is a problem but like
idk
im of the opinion they need to fire the entire net standard library design team
upper vapor
bruh
true cedar
the awful awful decisions they've made to preserve "backwards compatibility "
like
IList<T> doesn't inherit from IReadOnlyList<T>
and the fact that IReadOnlyList is even called that
and the fact that ReadOnlyCollection inherits from IList
and the fact that the non generic collections still exist for some god awful reason
upper vapor
and the fact that ReadOnlyCollection inherits from IList
real
icy knoll
turns out to fix my issue with no custom loader... just make a dependency only with that class in :3
icy knoll
put it in dependencies folder
and it wont run the abstract plugin
just inherit that instead
simple solution for now lol
upper vapor
tulip kiln
Is there a way to change a zombie's spawnpoint without a patch?
PlayerSpawning doesn't trigger
harsh thorn
Is there a way to change a zombie's spawnpoint without a patch?
iirc zombies dont actually have a spawnpoint
they just spawn at the current location of the referencehub
(yes when you die you still have a location, and it uses that)
tulip kiln
I know my location is persistent
hearty shard
you can use ChangedRole
and check for spawnpoint flag
and then set ev.Player.Position
tulip kiln
Yeah, I put it into ChangedRole and it works. It's just that I have a generic PlayerSpawning handler that handles CustomSCP spawnpoints, but zombies aren't included ๐ญ
hard flume
hello, how to disable auto spawn ntf/ci?
icy knoll
hello, how to disable auto spawn ntf/ci?
subscribe to the spawn events and cancel them
also, for you harmony people, how do I prefix a constructor? Like I've got the HarmonyPatch attribute setup... but idk how to set the values I want in the prefix, is __instance available?
icy knoll
nevermind i just transpiled instead, was like 10x harder but whatever ๐ญ
carmine prawn
celest thorn
hii chat
restive turret
hi cat
carmine prawn
b
unique crane
I dont think so
unique crane
You just have to be in that area
upper vapor
FIREWALL AND PORT
SL has UnPnP
celest thorn
celest thorn
https://techwiki.scpslgame.com/books/common-debugging-steps/page/port-forwarding
What is this?
celest thorn
never seen it before
restive turret
https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/875424336146731008/1391449729472...
๐No Accesss
celest thorn
๐No Accesss
ServerHost Suggestions
restive turret
i suggest learning how to operate a server
celest thorn
restive turret
celest thorn
i suggest learning how to operate a server
ok bro i know how
restive turret
r u sur
celest thorn
r u sur
yes im sure
before sl i did alot of other stuff for games etc... so i know pretty well how this stuff works
just too boring for me
i prefer doing code
upper vapor
can we just have skybox as a separate effect
would be poggies
git push origin davidwishlist
royal mica
just too boring for me
lmao so RTFM?
celest thorn
lmao so RTFM?
nah sometimes you need to get creative
celest thorn
<@642642727237845041> what u playin
Doom Dark Ages
the new one
im rn in chapter 12/13 i forgot
you know its sooo fun to tear up demons apart
after a long day of coding
restive turret
real
teal junco
can we just have skybox as a separate effect
skybox effect would be so fire
icy knoll
does anyone know how to make the yaml parser not parse everything without me making my own wrapper classes? like im putting the class in and yaml.net just decided to parse the whole thing... which is slightly annoying...
upper vapor
wdym exactly?
icy knoll
like
look at all the unused things there
i wanna know if it's possible to not parse those ๐ญ
upper vapor
[YamlIgnore]
icy knoll
me when i don't have access to the class
upper vapor
huhhhhh
icy knoll
it's part of a dependency
hearty shard
then ur cooked
icy knoll
๐ญ
okie so then if i make my own wrapper class, how do i make stuff only show if the default has that option set?
or is that not possible...
upper vapor
it's part of a dependency
it's in YamlDotNet
icy knoll
it's in YamlDotNet
i know
but the class that i have as the type i dont have access to
it's not mine
it's a dependency
upper vapor
OHHHHH
right
in the serializer, is there an option to not write default values
?
the serializerbuilder
upper vapor
yamldotnet
icy knoll
well
ill take a look
yes
you can do
SerializerBuilder::ConfigureDefaultValuesHandling(DefaultValuesHandling.OmitDefaults)
i get that there may be issues with it in some places... but ๐ญ
maybe patch to add my own custom serializer? ๐ญ
wait i cant because the only place that id be able to get plugin information from is in a generic class... blegh
wait just looked into it more... emitting defaults should be default... wtf ๐ญ
upper vapor
wait just looked into it more... emitting defaults should be default... wtf ๐ญ
huhhh
slate flume
i need coffee for this
Get this man a beer
upper vapor
restive turret
Get this man a beer
Get this man a 78% alcohol
slate flume
Get this man a 78% alcohol
Something 190-proof bro
restive turret
What
slate flume
What
190-proof
Like Everclear
It's 95% alcohol
Well by volume it is
Proof is just 2x ABV but it's one of the more colloquial terms used when talking about the alcohol
upper vapor
It's 95% alcohol
pov death
hearty shard
So like
I thought only room.list had stale references
Apparently ragdoll does too
Heart breaking
grand flower
patch Room.List to ignore rooms that have IsDestroyed = true
hearty shard
patch Room.List to ignore rooms that have IsDestroyed = true
Like i said its ragdolls too
And probably lockers
grand flower
patch that too
hearty shard
And probably everything
grand flower
SL modding in a nutshell
hearty shard
Nw moment
hearty shard
And probably lockers
or at least i remember an error about it but i havent been checking logs lately
grand flower
Snake spams exceptions if someone plays it for too long
I love useless gimmicks spamming logs
hearty shard
Lmao
grand flower
grand flower
ik
slate flume
Honestly, with how prevalent round-stalling was and these kinds of issues, I straight up disabled snake on our server lmao
If you try to play snake it drops your keycard on the floor
slate flume
community won't allow us to heh
Lmao real we complaints but ignored them
And people got over it
I mean bro it's not that deep it's snake
grand flower
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Community voted to keep it, we're not removing it
I'm mostly annoyed at NW for having a gimmick like this affect servers, come on
slate flume
Community voted to keep it, we're not removing it
That's insane to me
grand flower
eh
current map layouts suck for spawn waves
We have to spawn most of them in the facility or they get stuck at surface with instant death if they go down
true cedar
We have to spawn most of them in the facility or they get stuck at surface with ...
you spawn people in the facility now?
grand flower
Mini waves spawn in the facility, regular waves have 40% of them spawn in the facility
We have to or otherwise it becomes a game of camp the elevators that can sometimes generate right next to each other
Does help a bit
Worked on a huge update heh
true cedar
thats
grand flower
Had fun rebalancing every SCP
true cedar
like what
grand flower
Needed a few more patches afterwards but it's a lot better than it was
096/106/939 were useless
Well
106 was either ass on low pop, or ungodly OP on high pop
so he got a full remake
true cedar
what does he do now
grand flower
true cedar
this isnt mayhem?
grand flower
oh yeah i'm talking Mayhem only
grand flower
096 has the funny change
also nerfed 173's hume shield
500 HS reduction base
so 250 -> 1000 HS depending on its current health amount
and the HS amount only increases when 173's health starts going lower than base game HP
it ignores the real max hp since that can be 10k HP
Puppet got heavy nerfs because it was just bs OP
Was hard to get the community's approval for that one, but surprisingly they ended up voting mostly in favour
this one was the best one I could come up with
warped prairie
will deleting snake.dll from game files brick the server or just disable snake?
warped prairie
wild its hardcoded like that.
grand flower
It's an assembly reference if you delete it the server won't start
But yeah should've at least given us a way to easily disable it
warped prairie
epic...
true cedar
lmfao u can do that?
grand flower
Yup
grand flower
Just lerp it to the regular height on tick while enraging
Over the time it takes to enrage
true cedar
oh ik that part
grand flower
With some additional checks to make sure 096 doesn't grow into geometry
true cedar
oh
goddamn
it
every single fun thing was added after i stopped doing fun plugin stuff
grand flower
It's stupidly broken
Had to patch a lot to get it stable without killing the server
But it works ig
true cedar
yea but still
slate flume
096 has the funny change
Lol that's fun
I just using VisionInformation to trigger shy guy rage for when you see any part of his body
edgy shuttle
hi plugin devs!!!
true cedar
wow trespassing
grand flower
hi plugin devs!!!
No NW staff is welcome here smh my head
edgy shuttle
womp
grand flower
I just using VisionInformation to trigger shy guy rage for when you see any part...
That's also a good idea
true cedar
No NW staff is welcome here smh my head
lumi is an exception
grand flower
I suppose
unique crane
):
restive turret
Ok so
restive turret
When 3114, 127 events
solid mica
CASSIE, call the Ghostbusters
teal junco
CASSIE, call the Ghostbusters<:ScientistClearly:859153778674892810>
mobile task force unit mu 13
icy knoll
@upper vapor how is that plugin loader pr coming along :3
restive turret
Lost in Action
upper vapor
i haven't committed it yet
restive turret
Check for abstract plugin class too
upper vapor
i've done that already
royal mica
Do you have unloading?
upper vapor
unloading what
royal mica
Unloading the plugins on demand
icy knoll
unloading = disabling
upper vapor
you can't unload assemblies
royal mica
unloading = disabling
No
upper vapor
you can unload an entire AppDomain but not a single assembly
royal mica
Disable is absolutely not equal to unloading
royal mica
you can't unload assemblies
Hmmmm
random scaffold
how i can get ammo limits? by enumerable
royal mica
No, you create a new appdomain
royal mica
so you can unload the assembly on demand
I mean you can, can't you
since everything is bootstrapped via events
and instantiated
upper vapor
you need to load the whole game another time into the new appdomain
and then communicate with it somehow from the "main" appdomain
you lose direct access to the game
royal mica
Hmm I guess Harmony patches would break cause it would trys to patch the ones in the AppDomain
upper vapor
yes
royal mica
but the event ones would not break
I suspect all Static class also break cause would reference the one in the AppDomain
upper vapor
but the event ones would not break
everything would break
there are completely new assemblies loaded
the main appdomain calls an event, but that doesn't magically get invoked in a separate domain
upper vapor
how i can get ammo limits? by enumerable
Server.AmmoLimits
upper vapor
you can just check how it works
random scaffold
me need enumerable list
upper vapor
me need enumerable list
random scaffold
it?
royal mica
what
upper vapor
have you tried using a decompiler
restive turret
everything would break
there are completely new assemblies loaded
the main appdo...
Oh I completely forgot that, ye AppDomain with that just sucks i guess
restive turret
have you tried using a decompiler
Have you tried using your brain
upper vapor
i haven't
hearty shard
Can we ban this user
Who r u
upper vapor
Can we ban this user
pls
upper vapor
Alright gm chat
early bird catches the worm
hearty shard
random scaffold
skibidi skibidi skibidi
random scaffold
best song
restive turret
/wran @hearty shard she said the sb word
restive turret
F no more wran
upper vapor
i'm broke
upper vapor
F no more wran
isn't it !wran
restive turret
!wran
hearty shard
!wran @restive turret bitch
restive turret
Yes it is
idle depot
hearty shard
member_0
restive turret
!wran @hearty shard she said the sbd word
hearty shard
!wran sjelm bad
regal lakeBOT
Member "sjelm" not found.
upper vapor
!wran obevelyn said the s word
hearty shard
Mispelling
upper vapor
why is there an extra v
restive turret
Oh cassie is broken
hearty shard
why is there an extra v
obv
upper vapor
!wran ovbevelyn said the s brainrot word
regal lakeBOT
Member "ovbevelyn" not found.
hearty shard
obviously evelyn
upper vapor
restive turret
idle depot
The joke command is making a fool out of you
hearty shard
!wran axwabo smelly
regal lakeBOT
@hearty shard has wranned axwabo Reason: smelly
upper vapor
!wran obvevelyn said the s rot word
idle depot
There you go.
upper vapor
there is no way
hearty shard
!!!
restive turret
!wran obvevelyn said the s rot word
regal lakeBOT
@restive turret has wranned obvevelyn Reason: said the s rot word
upper vapor
random scaffold
!wran 590224743542554630 Skibid
regal lakeBOT
@random scaffold has wranned theverifieddickhead Reason: Skibid
hearty shard
!wran obvevelyn said the s rot word
I think ur bad
upper vapor
I think ur bad
no need to think
restive turret
!wran 590224743542554630 Skibid
Ok bruh you are on your own
random scaffold
Ok bruh you are on your own
?
random scaffold
The joke command is making a fool out of you
read this message
restive turret
hearty shard
upper vapor
<:angr:1361840269879939182>
average everage activity
hearty shard
guh
upper vapor
just classic eve
hearty shard
restive turret
Ofc it's from that kind of server
random scaffold
!wran 1180466630191501363 Strange emojies
regal lakeBOT
@random scaffold has wranned obvevelyn Reason: Strange emojies
hearty shard
i dont even know what servers im in
i see emoji i click i join
half my servers are emoji servers
rare jewel
please help me how can I check the role of a player on a spectator using if??
upper vapor
check for RoleTypeId.Spectator
solid mica
You have the references?
grand flower
Guessing they haven't included them
royal mica
?
You got the first part right in the previous
Also import RoleTypeId
Also please learn C# first, or your journey will be hard ๐
hearty shard
ev.Player.IsDead also works (but counts filmmaker and Overwatch)
but yeah reference the game assemblies
rare jewel
but yeah reference the game assemblies
what specific reference game assemblies do I need?
unique crane
Assembly-CSharp
rare jewel
Assembly-CSharp
added but the error did not disappear
grand flower
hearty shard
good point
restive turret
I suggest learning C# first
Can we pin this?
unique crane
<:guh:987864471777214525>
?
restive turret
Make a coroutine that remove from that
restive turret
Skill issue
rare jewel
rare jewel
Use player.Role
thanks
icy knoll
Does anyone know how to check if the person is dying because they are leaving?
idk if there is like a damage handler for that specifically
hearty shard
check the damage handler text
or you can patch it
and create custom damage handler
icy knoll
check the damage handler text
which dmg handler tho? normal one? or Universal and check the translation?
i dont see a translation or anything
hearty shard
i mean check the actual string text of the damage handler
Not translation id
ServerLogsText or smth
Dunno which handler
And idek if it works
hearty shard
then begin logging
icy knoll
so now ima have to log the event to grab it smh
upper vapor
Does anyone know how to check if the person is dying because they are leaving?
changingrole to destroyed
icy knoll
changingrole to destroyed
im using the dying event
unless the dmg handler tells me what role their changing to
upper vapor
oof
hearty shard
unless the dmg handler tells me what role their changing to
Spectator 
icy knoll
Spectator <:trolling:812737440866369548>
me when no :3
hearty shard
ChangingRole has no damage handler
hearty shard
celest thorn
im tracking deaths
There's a death reason
but there's a type destroyed that actually tells you if someone left
icy knoll
but there's a type destroyed that actually tells you if someone left
im using dying as i need the players role before they died, and the event doesn't give a new role or anything
celest thorn
im using dying as i need the players role before they died, and the event doesn'...
Gives you the DamangeHandler?
icy knoll
ye ofc
celest thorn
ye ofc
CustomNetworkManager::OnServerDisconnect translation is "Unknown cause of death." checked by the server
so check for that
icy knoll
CustomNetworkManager::OnServerDisconnect translation is "Unknown cause of death....
in the standard dmg handler or?
celest thorn
in the standard dmg handler or?
UniversalDamageHandler
upper vapor
that might be other causes of death like admin, not sure if you wanna count that
icy knoll
well, TranslationsById doesn't contain that translation
celest thorn
check for ev.DamageHandler.DeathScreenText.Contains(DeathTranslations.Unknown.DeathscreenTranslation)
i think this is actually the best way to do it
icy knoll
okie
celest thorn
i guess
upper vapor
set a bool saying the player is leaving
celest thorn
you could take that apporch
upper vapor
unset it in the dying event
icy knoll
rather not patch if i dont have to
icy knoll
why ๐ญ
upper vapor
how do we not have a way to check if the player died due to leaving
upper vapor
i guess you can check for the Unknown translation id
unique crane
Me when over 500 issues on gitlab
upper vapor
probably not the most reliable
upper vapor
Me when over 500 issues on gitlab
icy knoll
i guess you can check for the Unknown translation id
eh i have my own converter method that changes dmg handlers into readable text for logging stuff... im just gunna check during the suicide check if the reason is unknown and skip
easiest way really ๐ญ
unique crane
they now have 100+ ๐ญ
Moni
icy knoll
smh
unique crane
I dont do it for money tbh xd
celest thorn
I dont do it for money tbh xd
paid 3 cents for each solution you find
celest thorn
like i think at max for finding labapi solution you aren't getting paid that much
idk but i don't think the pay is like super crazy
thinking how nw small is
covert flame
There a way to set the amount of ammo in a gun?
unique crane
There a way to set the amount of ammo in a gun?
Firearm MagazineModule
depending on the firearm
covert flame
Possible to modify the max ammount?
restive turret
Probably not be shown in client side
static meteor
Its synced with the client
covert flame
Is there a better way sto see if the object that a raycast hit is a specific object?
plain gazelle
Is it possible to modify the shown name of players on radio audio?
In my head this sounds possible because the audio is probably routed through the server, and the server tells the clients who sent it, which includes their name. But no idea if its this straightforward
restive turret
Check how radio works i guess.
Maybe client side one isnt shown for you so idk
celest thorn
@unique crane i know sorry for the lovely ping but has anyone touched primitives and colors because im now seeing that unsafe colors so like over the 1 are getting sanitized
slender lynx
unique crane
nop
unique crane
teal junco
Is it possible to modify the shown name of players on radio audio?
In my head th...
im pretty sure the server tells the clients the net ID of the player who sent it
meaning the client solves for everything else itself
only way to do that is to send a fake nickname var to everyone with a radio equipped
slate flume
Is it possible to modify the shown name of players on radio audio?
In my head th...
Voicechat communications use the same system, they're just separated by channels
Different channels have different properties on the client, but a majority of the leg-work is handled client-side
So stuff like modifying names would require temporarily spoofing the name of the player sending the message for the player receiving the message
Which would likely also incur unintended side effects
At least all that is afaik
What's your ultimate goal?
plain gazelle
What's your ultimate goal?
Make radios be tied to players
Someone steals their radio -> Their name shows up when speaking on it
upper vapor
you could modify the VoiceMessage to have the hub of the original
or, if they're no longer online, spawn a dummy
plain gazelle
ohhhh left players would cause issues? darn
icy knoll
or just perm disable the radio
upper vapor
okay you can cancel the sending voice event if they're using a radio, replace the hub on the voicemessage and send it
slate flume
you could modify the VoiceMessage to have the hub of the original
That's smart
upper vapor
no ref
upper vapor
that's not the issue
the field should be a ref field
rn it makes a copy of the message in the constructor
slate flume
You could just attach to PlayerSending, cancel it, and then send your own
Instead of going into receiving
slate flume
I already do this shit to do ScpProxChat 
upper vapor
publicize labapi <:TrollDespair:1198744721598722208>
it looks to the developer that they're getting access to the real message but it's not actually a reference to the original
plain gazelle
all sounds complicated
true cedar
the field should be a ref field
well it cant be a ref field cause its not a ref struct
though it is odd they made it take ref in the parameter
hearty shard
well it cant be a ref field cause its not a ref struct
rly ?
you have to specify the struct definition itself ?
true cedar
i mean the class isnt a ref struct
slate flume
<:firEyes:785674652755689492>
all sounds complicated
It'll just be something like
public override void OnPlayerSendingVoiceMessage(SendingMessageArgs ev)
{
if (ev.Message.Channel != VoiceChatChannel.Radio) return;
ev.IsAllowed = false;
ev.Message.Hub = ... //(dummy or player reference hub);
foreach(Player player in Player.GetAll(PlayerSearchFlags.AuthenticatedPlayers))
{
// Send message
}
}```The send message would require a little parsing that does the same shit radios do
hearty shard
It'll just be something like
```cs
public override void OnPlayerSendingVoiceMess...
use that on Sending not receiving 
slate flume
use that on Sending not receiving <:guh:987864471777214525>
๐คซ didn't happen
hearty shard
gj !!!
slate flume
Fake news
slate flume
You could just attach to PlayerSending, cancel it, and then send your own
I had just talked about this too ๐ญ
In my defense I'm actively brushing my teeth while writing this getting ready to go to my dentist apt
hearty shard
guh?!!!!?!!?!
true cedar
eve doesnt brush her teeth
slate flume
eve doesnt brush her teeth
Average SL dev
hearty shard
how old r u
slate flume
how old r u
I'm a minor
slate flume
That's crazy
unique crane
"How old are you"
responses with a word
slate flume
Can I call you unc
hearty shard
if ur below the age of 14
slate flume
Shit
true cedar
i think im a boomer to all of u basically
slate flume
Man it's so tough out here being 17 I can't even make fun of people for being old anymore 
I'll just go to the local senior center and laugh at the elders to feel better about myself
true cedar
if 17 is old to u
slate flume
if 17 is old to u
I can't make fun of @hearty shard 
upper vapor
well it cant be a ref field cause its not a ref struct
why can't you ref a not ref struct
unique crane
what
true cedar
i mean the class isnt a ref struct
.
true cedar
the class that the field is in is not a ref struct
true cedar
yes and you can only have them in ref structs
hearty shard
Man it's so tough out here being 17 I can't even make fun of people for being ol...
HAHA
UR OLD
upper vapor
yes and you can only have them in ref structs
are you fr rn
true cedar
otherwise
hearty shard
why does everyone in this chat have delusions about how C#, SL or Unity works
slate flume
why does everyone in this chat have delusions about how C#, SL or Unity works
Because idk how any of it works
upper vapor
...
true cedar
are you fr rn
yea
i mean it makes sense
if you could store something at a ref field
slate flume
I'm just making this shit up
true cedar
one sec
hearty shard
should give u more
upper vapor
NAH
okay mb
but then why did NW make it seem like you have a reference to the original struct
true cedar
public class X {
public ref int Y;
}
if you do
int y = 5;
X.Y = y:
and X lives longer than Y, suddenly X.Y now points to invalid data
true cedar
aka segfault time !
true cedar
event args really should be ref structs but
unique crane
0 alloc labapi
slate flume
Okay yo
Question before I leave in like 10 minutes
Is it possible to record a player's perspective and save it to a file
As if you were spectating them
restive turret
0 alloc labapi
nuh uh . never happening
true cedar
As if you were spectating them
technically yea afaik practically no not really
slate flume
technically yea afaik practically no not really
Damn
How would one
Go about such a feat
Theoretically
hearty shard
you can record it and replay it on a dummy
restive turret
such a feet
hearty shard
you can record it and replay it on a dummy
aka like
track timestamps of a round into an event of what the player did
and then simulate it
it wont be pretty
upper vapor
0 alloc labapi
ZLabApi
slate flume
track timestamps of a round into an event of what the player did
Yeah that was my only thought on what I could do
upper vapor
Yeah that was my only thought on what I could do
me when reinventing the wheel the 3rd time
hearty shard
youll have to make it in a way ping wont affect it as much
upper vapor
-# noone will make an open-source solution
hearty shard
-# noone will make an open-source solution
u do it
slate flume
me when reinventing the wheel the 3rd time
I have ideas to implement but the only way to safeguard it is by recording player actions
hearty shard
then i steal it like im the british discovering a new place
slate flume
me when reinventing the wheel the 3rd time
I'll just use AI 
Lmao
That'll solve every problem ever
slate flume
Actually peak
upper vapor
event args really should be ref structs but
let's see how much i can break things
i don't understand why tf everything needs to inherit from EventArgs
true cedar
i can kind of understand event arg inheritance
since it can make it easier to work with like
restive turret
i don't understand why tf everything needs to inherit from EventArgs
because c# using that for most places
teal junco
-# noone will make an open-source solution
how many times has a similar solution been made?
certainly couldnt be that much
upper vapor
yours, Cyn's
restive turret
what solution
teal junco
yours, Cyn's
MINE IS OPEN SOURCE
teal junco
rahhh
upper vapor
oh
restive turret
ah
teal junco
but mine is not likely as advanced or usable as cyn's
i found a good way to record audio, but no way to read it...
and as for selecting items
my dummies can do it, but they cant use it properly, and when they select guns, i couldnt find a way to save and apply attachments
upper vapor
teal junco
cyn's will be closed source
i might be putting a bit much on my plate but i do want to at least see this project through
although the demos have been a little bit player-centric as of late.
upper vapor
although the demos have been a little bit *player-centric* as of late.
wdym
ohhhhh
right cuz it relies on player actions
i wanna experiment with replaying network messages but those would probably go uh
not very well
also i need to work on other stuff
but this demo system is pretty good for smaller replays
fairly easy to implement new features
can you skip ahead/back in the replay?
teal junco
but this demo system is pretty good for smaller replays
the one i sent?
upper vapor
ye
teal junco
yeah i tried to make it modular and add potential for modding
but i realized that would mess up the encryption, but i still left it the way it was
one weird bug i encountered was that experiencing recoil caused the dummies to look straight up sometimes
hearty shard
hearty shard
actually you have all week
Wat
hearty shard
v2 stable pls soontm
Why!
upper vapor
cuz i'm using it
upper vapor
and i can't release the plugin if your SSSS wrappers isn't stable
hearty shard
which functionality r u using
hearty shard
and i can't release the plugin if your SSSS wrappers isn't stable
ah
upper vapor
yeye
upper vapor
i onlyhave 2 settings lmao
have you finalized the new wrapper model?
if yea i might do a prerelease
grand flower
i wanna experiment with replaying network messages but those would probably go u...
It's what Unreal Engine does but I doubt you can do it with plugins and patching
That requires so much more integration than we can do
grand flower
cyn's will be closed source
Considering the amount of man hours I've been putting into it and how complex it is, I'm not sad about that heh
- it'll integrate with our backend anyway so it won't be suited for other servers
true cedar
you can put a lot of effort into something and still make it open source lol
thats what im doing with ruei
grand flower
(well I'm also not permitted heh)
teal junco
yeah
grand flower
All of Bright's in house stuff is private
teal junco
its a server project
upper vapor
you can put a lot of effort into something and still make it open source lol
public source is good imo
i'll probably make some projects like that
no issues accepted, only PRs
ppl can use your code but are not allowed to complain
grand flower
Looking at your demo stuff you've done it a lot different than what i'm doing
true cedar
(well I'm also not permitted heh)
well ik
grand flower
I also didn't go with a memory stream at all
Turns out it's useless
FileStream will buffer data and flush to the file when the buffer is filled
So there's no point in going with just a memory stream afaik
I see voice packets being saved 
teal junco
on the topic, does anyone know how to read wav files (or write ogg files?)
upper vapor
NAudio
grand flower
Are you gonna be recording voice
upper vapor
grand flower
Because if so, don't
upper vapor
Because if so, don't
grand flower
Since we unfortunately don't have clientside mods, let alone custom UI, you can't ask for explicit consent
upper vapor
Since we unfortunately don't have clientside mods, let alone custom UI, you can'...
SSSS
icy knoll
youll have to make people agree with written consent practically
upper vapor
๐ญ
grand flower
You can't do popups
upper vapor
what qualifies then
grand flower
Not a lawyer but at the very least I'd have a privacy notice popup with a button you explicitely have to press ok
Which you can't do and probably never will be able to do
hearty shard
have you finalized the new wrapper model?
There shouldnt be more breaking changes to settings
upper vapor
you have the hold thingy for buttons or whatever
hearty shard
If thats ur question
grand flower
Eh I'm not gonna start playing with fire
The fact kids even play SL makes it a thousand times worse if you do it wrong
upper vapor
make them solve some captcha in SSSS 
grand flower
the lack of clientside mods suck
but oh well
The next SCP game better have some
@teal junco no delta snapshots?
You record full snapshots every frame?
upper vapor
You record full snapshots every frame?
side effect: randomaccess
hearty shard
hmmm
grand flower
side effect: randomaccess
More like big demo file sizes for no reason
My system's full on delta states
upper vapor
grand flower
Demo starts with recording the initial state of the world and then you just apply delta state over delta state
Saves space, and makes it super easy to fast forward to a position in the demo
You just grab the initial state and apply deltas until you reach the desired time
then you apply that new compiled state to the world
Fast
grand flower
wdym
upper vapor
like
yoou'd skip 1 minute ahead in the replay
and you'd get all the network messages in order
at once
grand flower
With that kind of setup, and mine, you always have to start at the initial state of the demo and apply the delta states/network packets
You can't go back because you can't undo packets
if you wanna go back, you restart the demo and then fast forward to the time you want
upper vapor
ryeah
grand flower
Mine's probably the best way to do it for SL? With what control we have at least
Not to stroke my ego but damn there was a lot of thought put into it
It even supports versioning, I can change the demo file format and you'd still be able to replay older demos
grand flower
The only thing that would break that is NW doing something that affects map gen
In that scenario all demos of older SL versions would break
because you'd see players go through walls and all heh
teal junco
You record full snapshots every frame?
i never got around to adding that, but it is a planned feature
i just never got hit in the face with it because i dont have a consistent method of causing tps spikes
teal junco
Demo starts with recording the initial state of the world and then you just appl...
what is a delta state
upper vapor
like a diff
teal junco
oh okay
grand flower
The term delta refers to the difference between two values or states
upper vapor
a = ฮv/ฮt
teal junco
so it only records the difference between the last position and the new position, just for example?
grand flower
yes
teal junco
the one i have saves only when there is a difference but otherwise saves the full position
one feature i suppose i will miss out on is being able to displace the actors
grand flower
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I keep the previous demo frame available
So when recording a delta state it can check the previous one and ignore anything that's similar
teal junco
can you give an example for how it would handle player movement
grand flower
I'd just check if the position changed
I'll have a bitfield with flags for what the delta contains for the player
position, rotation, role, probably held item, health, etc
grand flower
Well, will be once I get to that
teal junco
respect
grand flower
I'm barely done with the boilerplate for demo files but I'm finally getting started on recording events
teal junco
So there's no point in going with just a memory stream afaik
didnt get to read all this, interesting info
teal junco
I'm barely done with the boilerplate for demo files but I'm finally getting star...
im not a very high-level coder so i barely really planned anything out beyond the basic ideas
your solution is really good, though
i like the bitfield
grand flower
You'll get there
I'm used to keeping things as lightweight as possible bandwidth wise and the same applies to this
teal junco
oh yea youre like a networking guy
this kind of stuff does vaguely remind me of networking and stuff
teal junco
You'll get there
im always looking to improve!
grand flower
aye
I'll also compress the demo files
when writing them to the permanent file
since while recording they're written to a temporary file first
then a header is encoded into the permanent file, followed by the data in the temporary file
Although we'll see if it's required
teal junco
if you ever get a chance i would like to know how big a demo file is uncompressed (in practice)
slate flume
However you'll get murdered by privacy laws
There's no way broadly storing player activity is gonna be okay under European guidelines
As a server though I know a lot of them store small clips of people who break the rules so they have evidence of wrongdoing
grand flower
I doubt you'll get in trouble for that ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
automate it though and that's a whole new thing
slate flume
I doubt you'll get in trouble for that ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Exactly
I mean afaik most regulations apply to storing "identifying" data as in things like IP addresses and otherwise without getting informed consent so my general understanding is small clips of things like people breaking the rules shouldn't flag
slate flume
Yeah I just mean like so long as you're not storing sensitive data or storing data without proper cause you should be fine
Storing mass player data without cause isn't fine but storing small amounts of select data for the purpose of evidence against offending players likely wouldn't break any regulations
teal junco
Which you can't do and probably never will be able to do
you can do popups, not direct interactable but i dont think there is a super strict legal definition of popup that excludes a hint that covers your screen and prompts you to type a command to accept or deny
and it doesnt go away and cripples your player character until you make a choice
grand flower
Yeah I wouldn't wanna make players leave the server because of it either
midnight laurel
hey, is there really not an event for arming/disarming the warhead (toggling the switch in the facility)?
doing manual polling on Warhead.LeverStatus is ugly...
slate flume
Did you guys know that Pocket Dimension kills give a null ev.Attacker and don't give 106 as the attacker?
it feels obvious in retrospect but that makes my life more difficult
I'll have to figure out a good way to work around that
grand flower
I'll have to figure out a good way to work around that
Check the death translation id
slate flume
Check the death translation id
Well yeah I know how to check for a pocket dimension kill
I already check for things like Tesla and Pit Death using translation ID
It's moreso just that I have things like Kill Trackers, Damage Trackers, and Custom Items that use ev.Attacker broadly, and it would be a lot better if ev.Attacker wasn't null for pocket dimension deaths
grand flower
Patch it in
slate flume
That's what I'm thinking I'll do
I'll have to patch functions DyingEvent calls and HurtingEvent calls
worthy rune
ref structs would be nice, not sure if you can use them with .net framework?
or atleast you wont be able to use interfaces with them
upper vapor
ref structs would be nice, not sure if you can use them with .net framework?
By-ref-like generics aren't supported, so you can't use ref structs with generics, only regular ones
worthy rune
it can be pretty useful, e.g.
void CancelForJuggernaut<T>(T ev) where T : IPlayerEvent, ICancelableEvent
{
if(juggernaunts.Contains(ev.Player.UserId))
ev.IsAllowed = false;
}
you can use that for any event you want to cancel with that player
worthy rune
By-ref-like generics aren't supported, so you can't use ref structs with generic...
fuck
upper vapor
it can be pretty useful, e.g.
```cs
void CancelForJuggernaut<T>(T ev) where T : ...
Yeah C# 13 lets you use interfaces on ref structs
worthy rune
i see
upper vapor
okay so don't change classes to structs
This is what happens if you only recompile labapi with struct events
grand flower
it can be pretty useful, e.g.
```cs
void CancelForJuggernaut<T>(T ev) where T : ...
Why not just take in a Player or a string directly in this scenario though
oh wait
I see
worthy rune
you can do that too, its just that its abit cleaner
upper vapor
Multi member access
grand flower
Nah I get what's being done here, although I feel like wrapping that in a method is a little useless
But it's neat
worthy rune
depends how many times you use it
upper vapor
What if you wanna cancel 10 events for the juggernaut
upper vapor
depends how many times you use it
Yep
worthy rune
if you need todo it with like 10 events its worth
grand flower
When do you ever get 10 events
i
will get coffee
my brain is lagging behind
ignore my rambling
worthy rune
like all denying interaction ones
grand flower
yeeee makes sense
i'm banging my head at work trying to get dedicated servers to run through SDR and they. just. don't. want. to
everything's green
shows up on Steam's master server
SDR says OK
but can't connect
unique crane
Aw