plugins-dev-chat

[unique crane]

Give source

NOW

[upper vapor]

soon™

in about 5 days

[unique crane]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-surprised-hand-shakes-head-shocked-gif-26479804

[restive turret]

Neat trick:
stream.Read

[upper vapor]

[unique crane]

[teal junco]

you used NAudio to stream the mp3 right?

[upper vapor]

yep

[teal junco]

why did AudioPlayerApi use Nvorbis over Naudio?

[upper vapor]

cuz it was easier

much easier

[teal junco]

i dont know anything about audio so im curious

[teal junco]

oh okay

[upper vapor]

playing float arrays isn't as complicated as a sample provider

don't look at the AudioTransmitter in LabApi

[upper vapor]

i hate the concept of loading entire songs into memory for playback

streaming from disk has pretty much no overhead

also with AudioPlayerApi you must provide a 48000Hz mono ogg file which is a bit ehhh

[teal junco]

oh yeah that kinda pisses me off

i use C# tasks to load instead

[unique crane]

I just load them all at start

[restive turret]

Same

[upper vapor]

you can resample with WDL and mixdown to mono

[upper vapor]

what

[teal junco]

while that isnt ideal it at least doesnt freeze the server

[restive turret]

Loading 5GB music

Ye sure

[teal junco]

i dont know what the proper term is

[upper vapor]

not a problem if you are running the server on Cyn's pc

what do you load

[teal junco]

i push the loading of the audio in AudioPlayerApi onto another thread

[restive turret]

My

[upper vapor]

ohhhh

yea

[restive turret]

A 2 hour long Unreal Tournament music

[teal junco]

if i need to load it immediately, i just load it on another thread so that in the case it takes a significant amount of time, the TPS doesnt drop to 0

[upper vapor]

it may be 5GB compressed but a minute of audio at 48 kHz is already 11.5 MB in memory

[upper vapor]

just preload on startup

[restive turret]

Preload deez

[unique crane]

Make git issue and suggest however you want to solve that

[upper vapor]

138 gigabytes

[teal junco]

nah cuz the way i use my plugin deals with like two thousand clips

[restive turret]

Making the server suffer more🔥

[teal junco]

no way am i loading that on startup or having that in memory

[upper vapor]

only solution is to stream it
my library will :3

[upper vapor]

what the actual

[restive turret]

Nice

[unique crane]

Yeah thats fair

[teal junco]

finding out that stereo causes it to playback at half speed and frequency discrepency causes the same thing was so funny to me

[restive turret]

Preloading 50 fart noises

[upper vapor]

yep

[upper vapor]

not enough

[teal junco]

what

[upper vapor]

why do you need 2K clips

[unique crane]

What do you use the 2K clips for

[restive turret]

To much music

[teal junco]

i deal with two thousand clips, thats why i dont want to load it at startup

[upper vapor]

but why

what for

[restive turret]

Ambiance

[teal junco]

so that my cassie can say the top one thousand names in the United States

is that a satisfactory answer

[unique crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1330066675713970216/1330096787427557376/ezgif-1-5d9d8c8e6b_online-video-cutter.com.gif

[upper vapor]

right

fair

[restive turret]

No that's not satisfactory

That's secret lab

[upper vapor]

😭

[teal junco]

can i kill you

[unique crane]

Factorio

[restive turret]

Fight it with Eve

[unique crane]

Go ahead

[teal junco]

no i think i should let him live

[restive turret]

Just to suffer

[teal junco]

hes a smarter programmer than me, i need to let him make another plugin before i kill him

[restive turret]

FreakyAI 🔥

[teal junco]

no i object to the use of AI except for that one time

[restive turret]

AI as

Bot

Not like

LLM

[unique crane]

AI voiceovers for some songs are quite funny

[restive turret]

Uhh

Nyah

[teal junco]

AI voice overs are funny but i also find the idea really creepy

[unique crane]

It is creepy

but markiplier singing fnaf 1 song is funny

[upper vapor]

lava chicken

[restive turret]

No

Ban this guy

[unique crane]

The new minecraft music disc

[upper vapor]

ye

[unique crane]

💀

[restive turret]

💀

[unique crane]

Wait

[teal junco]

as an alternative to streaming MP3s i was going to have my plugin utilize yt-dlp-dotnet to download the entire audio file, then load it into audioplayerapi, and then play it

[unique crane]

@teal junco

If 1K is the USA names

[teal junco]

i think it is an amazing system and is very efficient

[unique crane]

whats the other thousand

[upper vapor]

if only we had YoutubeExplode on .net standard

[restive turret]

Explode

Deez

Videos

[teal junco]

well, its more like 3-4 thousand.
I have the base game cassie words, and then i have top 1 thousand surnames, top 1 thousand male names, and top one thousand female names (which goes to 2.7k when i exclude the duplicates, so about 3 hundred names that belong to more than one group)

[unique crane]

So you just.... rewrote cassie

[restive turret]

Yes

He did

[teal junco]

i also have all US states, i have a collection of vulgarities, and some other stuff i dont recall

[restive turret]

Collection of swear words

[teal junco]

well, i rewrote it, and then i made audio files for it

the plugin is probably my biggest project ive ever made so far and it was painful

i dont even know how it functions

[restive turret]

I didn't checked it but it might be ye

[restive turret]

💀

With magic and friendship

[teal junco]

checked what?

[restive turret]

Your code

[unique crane]

I would load these clips dynamically at runtime

like they arent that long

[teal junco]

i had to make special text formatting for the tts to correctly readout

[upper vapor]

ohlahoma

[teal junco]

well, i wouldnt be sure whether it was the biggest, it was certainly the most complicated and headache inducing. the only one that comes close is my EXILED roleplay utilities plugin, which i refuse to touch out of fear
https://github.com/icedchai/omni-plugins-pub/blob/5ab63392f2e2f614221249c929cd8d858c4115d0/Omni-Utils/extensions/PlayerExtensions.cs#L21

[restive turret]

Olala

[teal junco]

i just wanted to cram in as many words as possible, i dont even know if i used the US states

it was just funny hearing cassie with a different voice saying unhinged shit

[upper vapor]

cassie_sl russia is the best american state in ukraine

[upper vapor]

hell's kitchen is in there 🗣️

[upper vapor]

[hearty shard]

https://tenor.com/view/daitaku-helios-helios-daitaku-pakatube-dont-know-gif-14325473649233334473

[true cedar]

gm eve

[hearty shard]

hi pai

[restive turret]

Pog

Thanks JesusQC

[limber silo]

no worries

[hearty shard]

jesus can you release 2.0.0 yet

or 15.0

or 21.0

[solid mica]

or 69.0

[limber silo]

there is already so much [obsolete] stuff in the api so I wouldnt be surprised if we release 2.0.0 not so far away

[true cedar]

kills u

[hearty shard]

not nice

[restive turret]

Me when 3114 events

Also x3rt's one is actually 🔥 addition

[hearty shard]

@limber silo is there role wrappers pr currently in internal labapi ?

i might pr it otherwise

[restive turret]

I don't think u have role wrapper

[hearty shard]

what

well idk!!!!!!

thats why i asked jesus!!!

[limber silo]

there is, sadly the developer working on them is busy for a few weeks, so dont expect them soon

[hearty shard]

okie

[restive turret]

First they would need to make some constants not const so can change these small things

[hearty shard]

finally

[hearty shard]

nuh uh

keep them constant

[restive turret]

Mainly the cooldowns

No

[hearty shard]

yes!!!!

[restive turret]

I wanna change cooldown!

[hearty shard]

noo...

u dont need it

[restive turret]

I need it

That's why i patched it

[hearty shard]

https://tenor.com/view/molotov-niko-niko-niko-oneshot-niko-plush-molotov-niko-plush-gif-23957977

[grave eagle]

Please add textures to the primitives. They are easy to implement)

[upper vapor]

if they're so simple, PR them

[grave eagle]

-# no 🗿

[upper vapor]

[restive turret]

That means client have to download the texture

[grave eagle]

Send a message from the server so that players can use the client texture for primitives

[restive turret]

Oh

Well

Have fun

[upper vapor]

i wonder how optimized that is

[restive turret]

None

[grave eagle]

It's unclear whether they will use materials or textures. The materials look beautiful

[upper vapor]

at this point they might as well add AssetBundle support

[grave eagle]

We can create a Hubert ball with Hubert texture

[main zenith]

why does

                 ServerSpecificSettingsSync.TryGetSettingOfUser<SSTextArea>(
               player.ReferenceHub,
    MainCosmetics.Instance.Config.TextID,
    out var setting
); 
``` always gives null?
im trying to update TextArea content 

new SSTextArea(AbilityId.TextId,"...",textAlignment: TMPro.TextAlignmentOptions.Center)

the AbilityId.TextId = MainCosmetics.Instance.Config.TextID
but still always null

[icy knoll]

when you get by ID that is setting id

oh right they match

hmm

[unique crane]

How about

GetSettingOfUser

Try that

Ah so

User has to send any value back to server

for this to work

(???)

[hearty shard]

yes.

i had to fix this weirdly in secret api

[unique crane]

Just use GetSettingOfUser<T>

its guarantee to create the setting if it doesnt exists yet

[hearty shard]

does it

[unique crane]

yep

[hearty shard]

i

dont like you

personally

i create the setting when its sent to the player

[unique crane]

Thats one way to do it

[hearty shard]

this monstrousity

i cant spell that word

anyway

[main zenith]

its working thanks

[main zenith]

kinda pointless like how Player can send any value in TextArea

[unique crane]

Just use the GetSettingOfUser

[upper vapor]

@icy knoll #1388150023111446580 message

[icy knoll]

yours is/will be better

just

we actually kinda need the plugin to test that fact

LOL

[upper vapor]

Oh this thing has group chats

HSM required

[true cedar]

i think it doesnt have like

im dumb

[upper vapor]

Look

Lol

Competence isn't bad though :3

[restive turret]

[icy knoll]

i saw smth so funny today actually

someone added RueI support to their HSM plugin

rather than adding configurations

they just made a branch

[upper vapor]

What

[icy knoll]

completely recoded their whole plugin on that branch for ruei only

so now they have to maintain 2 brances

LOL

[restive turret]

Fire

[upper vapor]

RueServiceMeow

[restive turret]

What is hsm

[icy knoll]

hint service meow

[restive turret]

Hardcore SL Map

[upper vapor]

So like a HSM wrapper for RueI?

[icy knoll]

it's like ruei, but tbh the syntax is pretty crap 😭

[icy knoll]

nono

full on ruei version

[upper vapor]

Wtf

[icy knoll]

anyway

when scp prox chat labapi by axwabo?

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

[lost burrow]

Is anything really that badly done?

[upper vapor]

it's impressive actually

not the usual simple scp prox chat

[icy knoll]

me when discord doesn’t say when the msg was sent

[upper vapor]

click it

[restive turret]

Today 10:53

[icy knoll]

that says the time

not the day

smh

[hearty shard]

it

[restive turret]

Today

[hearty shard]

was sent today

[icy knoll]

oh wait it was today?

[hearty shard]

...

[restive turret]

Ye

[hearty shard]

LUMI.

[icy knoll]

HOW WOUKD I KNOW

GRRRRRR

[upper vapor]

because it doesn't say yesterday or a date

[icy knoll]

shud up

[upper vapor]

you can hover it

[restive turret]

Blind girl

[hearty shard]

bro does NOT use discord

[icy knoll]

i’m on phone

[hearty shard]

nuh uh

[upper vapor]

then tap it

[icy knoll]

smh

[restive turret]

Tap water?

[upper vapor]

yes

Pannon-Víz

[restive turret]

Shaking my LabApi-Tree

Getting nice fruits (plugins) from jt

[forest sentinel]

What could be the reason for pickup following lagy?
its client parented to player
what i tried ?

rigibody.isKinematic = true;
rigibody.useGravity = false;
pickup.Base.syncInterval = 0f;
pickup.Transform.parent = Player.Transform;

Shouldn't client parenting normally resolve this?

[terse bone]

clientside parenting only works for admintoys ig

[upper vapor]

only admintoys have parenting sync, as Xname said

[soft turtle]

How do I know which grenades were activated due to another grenade exploding?

[forest sentinel]

So there's no way to fix this? I tried adjusting the position and rotation myself, but it's still laggy.

[unique crane]

You will have the patch the explosion method for that

[soft turtle]

Which path is it?

[restive turret]

Serial?

[terse bone]

you can do a postfix on InventorySystem.Items.ThrowableProjectiles.TimedGrenadePickup::OnExplosionDetected
and inside patch check if __instance._replaceNextFrame is true

you would probably want to add that pickup instance to a List to and somewhere else check if it's in it

just don't forget to remove that pickup from the list and clear the list between rounds

hm, sory, don't store the pickup instance

it will get destroyed, just store pickup's serial

[soft turtle]

No. I just want to limit the number of grenades that can be activated by an explosion

        private static bool Prefix(Footprint attacker, Vector3 source, float range)
        {
            ThrownProjectile[] projectiles = Object.FindObjectsByType<ThrownProjectile>(FindObjectsSortMode.None);

            int count = projectiles.Count(x => x.PreviousOwner.Equals(attacker));

            if (count > 10)
                return false;

            return true;
        }

[terse bone]

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(TimedGrenadePickup), nameof(TimedGrenadePickup.OnExplosionDetected))]
internal static class LimitGrenadeChainingPatch
{
    public static Dictionary<Vector3, int> _chainedGrenades = [];

    private static void Postfix(TimedGrenadePickup __instance, Footprint attacker, Vector3 source, float range)
    {
        if (!__instance._replaceNextFrame)
            return;

        if (!_chainedGrenades.ContainsKey(source))
            _chainedGrenades[source] = 0;

        int count = _chainedGrenades[source]++;

        if (count <= 10)
            return;

        __instance._replaceNextFrame = false;
        __instance._attacker = default;
    }
}

I think this should work

And in the ServerEvents.OnExplosionSpawned you can remove that key from the the dictionary

LimitGrenadeChainingPatch._chainedGrenades.Remove(ev.Position);

[terse bone]

test this because i might be wrong about clearing it instantly after triggering grenade exploded

[terse bone]

i've updated the code a bit

[soft turtle]

I just noticed that you wrote... Unfortunately ThrownProjectile is cleared because of which it always returns 1. And I wrote the code like yours

        private static readonly Dictionary<Vector3, int> GrandeCount = new Dictionary<Vector3, int>();

        private static bool Prefix(Footprint attacker, Vector3 source, float range)
        {
            if (GrandeCount.TryGetValue(source, out int count))
            {
                count++;
                GrandeCount[source] = count;
            }
            else
            {
                count = 1;
                GrandeCount[source] = count;

                Timing.CallDelayed(0.1f, () => GrandeCount.Remove(source));
            }

            return count <= 10;
        }

XD

[unique crane]

Or you can patch the base method for explode

and count the triggered nades

IExplosionTrigger

[terse bone]

for me it works

[soft turtle]

🥶

[unique crane]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

works too

[soft turtle]

It works but it looks scary

[upper vapor]

I think there's a config option for that

[soft turtle]

Idk

[unique crane]

I dont think there is

let me check

[upper vapor]

Either I'm delulu or it used to exist

[unique crane]

dont see anything like that in gameplay config

[celest thorn]

Someone knows why this could be happening? im doing it with base game

[royal mica]

uhoh, are you doing funky primitve spawning?

[upper vapor]

let me guess

missing dirty bits

[celest thorn]

idk

[upper vapor]

maybe i remembered an exiled config thing from my ancient times

[celest thorn]

no vanilla one

[upper vapor]

have you written the dirty bits twice?

[celest thorn]

I might have forgotten

[upper vapor]

are you sure that's caused by vanilla primitives 😭😭

[celest thorn]

im rewriting the serialize

to see what crazy shit i can do with it

[upper vapor]

[slender lynx]

[upper vapor]

that's vanilla

[celest thorn]

the class is vanilla, i never said the method is

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-24498059

[celest thorn]

im joking but yea i understood let me check if its actually that

[celest thorn]

Hii david

[unique crane]

Hiii

[celest thorn]

how are you doing :3?

[unique crane]

yea good

[celest thorn]

nice to hear

[celest thorn]

No btw its not that the issue

because i tested and it works fine with previous code

[restive turret]

1C - 24

[restive turret]

Ye you missing a long

@celest thorn

[celest thorn]

A long???

Into a primitive???

Wait....

[upper vapor]

"guys idk why it breaks"
"show code"
"um"

[restive turret]

Or you have more of it

[upper vapor]

[unique crane]

Its very secret!!!

and top level redacted

[upper vapor]

probably ulong

[restive turret]

You either missing or having more

[upper vapor]

trueing

but

dirty bits

[restive turret]

So dirty

[celest thorn]

LIKE its just me doing nothing really special other than getting the network writer and trying to overflow it

[upper vapor]

😭😭😭😭

[celest thorn]

i just wanna see what happens

[restive turret]

Crash? No network send?

You brun the client down

[celest thorn]

idk

just idk im going insane

[restive turret]

Didn't had to guess that part

[royal mica]

"guys I cannot drive the car"
"why"
"I replaced the driving shaft"

[celest thorn]

Btw its not that

[upper vapor]

when
-# i know mirror is not websocket

[upper vapor]

"at least it's mine"

[celest thorn]

AHHAHAHAHHAHAH

[unique crane]

It surely isnt split by TCP

[upper vapor]

WS frame != TCP packet

you can just wait a few years for that frame to come in

[unique crane]

Its going to be a big one

[restive turret]

Like

[upper vapor]

better get the page file ready

[unique crane]

Your gonna get that big 10exabytes drive meanwhile

dont worry

[upper vapor]

yeah just hot swap it as the message is arrivin

[upper vapor]

i just realized what your pfp is...

how have i not seen this before

[unique crane]

yeah its me

XD

[upper vapor]

i thought it was

something

like literally something

[unique crane]

what

[upper vapor]

"your pfp is your pfp" type shit

i didn't pay attention to it

[unique crane]

Okay

[restive turret]

My is a spinning cat

[upper vapor]

yeah it's a hi cat

-# high

[woeful geyser]

I found a bug — can anyone recommend a good auto clicker or macro software so I can spam totally legitimate bug reports into beryls DMs?

[celest thorn]

lagging the server with SSSS?

buttons?

[upper vapor]

why are you redacted

[unique crane]

Report any base game bugs to https://support.scpslgame.com/bug-report and LabAPI bugs to https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI

[woeful geyser]

(I was absolutley shitposting to mess with beryl please forgive me)

[upper vapor]

Beryl is on break i believe

or something like that

[woeful geyser]

damn

[unique crane]

There are no vacations in Northwood

as there is no outside

[restive turret]

ahaa ye

[fallen sentinel]

true

thank you comrade David

[restive turret]

random hubert appeared

[upper vapor]

[unique crane]

thank you

[fallen sentinel]

now return to work

[unique crane]

Yes sir

[restive turret]

we need more events NOW

[fallen sentinel]

@woeful geyser send ging

[woeful geyser]

you know he’s on vacation

[celest thorn]

random hubert showup

[fallen sentinel]

thank you

[unique crane]

cat

[upper vapor]

cat

[fallen sentinel]

cat

[celest thorn]

cat

[unique crane]

Sneaky cat

[restive turret]

cat

[celest thorn]

Im trying to understand why its still happening

i cannot figure it out

Like nothing has changed

[wheat jacinth]

How to implement a plugin to the server?

[upper vapor]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/wiki

who set the repo's description to be a modding framework
i'm not sure if you can call it that 😭

[limber silo]

hey

aren't plugins modifications to the game

making it a modding framework

[upper vapor]

okay...

[celest thorn]

Hey axwabo

Im honestly lost rn

I CANNOT understand why it doesn't work at all

and its just random asf the error

[upper vapor]

do you need emotional voice chat support

[celest thorn]

Lol

if you are down

[upper vapor]

i'm up

[celest thorn]

im just so fucking tired

[limber silo]

ChatGPT doesn't lie

(trust)

[upper vapor]

https://github.com/KadavasKingdom/LabApiExtensions/blob/main/Extensions/FakeSyncExtension.cs

[restive turret]

Syncing till i fake it

[fallen sentinel]

check if you can vibecode a LabAPI plugin

[celest thorn]

i tried that

i wanted to make easy money ;(

[static osprey]

https://cdn.itsgamertime.xyz/pictures2/EqmNi1.png

[fallen sentinel]

chatgpt supremacy

[static osprey]

i used duckduckgo ai lol

microsoft copilot seems to be closer but still hella broken

https://cdn.itsgamertime.xyz/pictures2/Tc2T8W.png

[celest thorn]

hubert i can try with Premium

[hearty shard]

plugin api

[upper vapor]

forgot a keyword

[hearty shard]

that seems about right

give chat gpt the sl source code

[fallen sentinel]

^this is using advanced reasoning

[harsh thorn]

doesnt seem too far off, aside from plugin info not being a thing

[celest thorn]

Works i guess

[celest thorn]

hubert you want to become blind, you are already bald and make other people blind please don't make yourself blind too

[celest thorn]

btw use o4-mini-high because its smarter

[fallen sentinel]

I did use it

[celest thorn]

strange mine works fine and its even correct

[fallen sentinel]

because you got more lucky

[hearty shard]

hubert my gf called u an egg, how does this make you feel

[celest thorn]

i guess

[fallen sentinel]

the beauty of LLMs is that you get different response every time you generate

[celest thorn]

AHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

[celest thorn]

HE JOINED

AND LEFT

[hearty shard]

david pls stop typing

this is not okay

[fallen sentinel]

this is exactly the same prompt and exactly the same model

[celest thorn]

too scared

[unique crane]

Never

[fallen sentinel]

completely different answer

[upper vapor]

unsubscribe from memory leaks *square*

[hearty shard]

[celest thorn]

oh wait

[hearty shard]

i

[celest thorn]

hubert

[hearty shard]

put the wrong emoji

[fallen sentinel]

it even searched the web this time, previously it didn't

[static osprey]

https://cdn.itsgamertime.xyz/pictures2/9JROe0.png

[unique crane]

You have to make it search web

otherwise it outputs NWAPI code

[hearty shard]

it didnt happen

[celest thorn]

HUBERT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT CAPYBARA THERAPY

@slender lynx

[fallen sentinel]

yeah but didn't search for the first time, despite using the exact same prompt and model

[hearty shard]

hubert pls ban zenlet, hes trying to defame me

[fallen sentinel]

for the second time it decided to search web on itself

[unique crane]

Best feature I ever added

[true cedar]

is this supposed to be a surprise to us

[hearty shard]

i typed giggle

also

ur a loser

anyway hi pai

[upper vapor]

nuh uh

[celest thorn]

nah hubert don't let me down answer please our projects depends on capybaras

[hearty shard]

ur right i missed the i and typed gg

and i guess misclicked

idk

😭

wrong emoji

[true cedar]

hai !!

[hearty shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267987483690401814/1271622170128154696/ezgif-3-710d2abbc9.gif

[harsh thorn]

crazy, it used the wiki

[mild ice]

Are you surprised???

[hearty shard]

LUCID.

IM GOING TO PUNCH YOU

[unique crane]

Eve is so agressive today

[hearty shard]

you did this

[mild ice]

I'm just trying to tell the truth here

[hearty shard]

I

[unique crane]

Lucid

[hearty shard]

i do NOT

use that emoji

[unique crane]

please send her somewhere

remote island

[hearty shard]

pai might though

@true cedar

u need it

[true cedar]

im gonna kill u

[hearty shard]

do it u wont

[mild ice]

!removerole 1274619602927747115 1180466630191501363

[regal lake]

I successfully removed Plugin Developer from obvevelyn

[harsh thorn]

all so agressive today

[mild ice]

Gone

[harsh thorn]

LOL

[unique crane]

XDDDDD

[celest thorn]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[royal mica]

[celest thorn]

YES NO MORE NAMELESS

[upper vapor]

lmfaooo

[celest thorn]

W

[upper vapor]

deported

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

[hearty shard]

YOU CANT BANISH ME

THIS IS MY HOME

[unique crane]

Send her to #scp-discussion only

[mild ice]

Is that a bet?

[celest thorn]

nuh uh go back to exiled

[upper vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1062179366865477672/1127939242857857084/factcheckedbyrealpatriots.gif

[hearty shard]

YOU go back to exiled

ur like

exiled #1 fan

[celest thorn]

wtf are you on i switched so fast to labapi

[hearty shard]

i swapped before u im pretty sure

[celest thorn]

it took me alot because i was studying for my exams

[hearty shard]

just get better at the exams

[celest thorn]

like it was the most important of my life

[hearty shard]

get gud

[celest thorn]

i have the highest grade out of my class with another of my friend

so i wasn't scared

i just wanted a good grade

[grand flower]

Imagine still studying

[celest thorn]

90/100

[grand flower]

Or having touched exiled

[restive turret]

imagine stll living

[grand flower]

Dang you got me beat there

[true cedar]

god bless

[hearty shard]

im going to strangle you

[slate flume]

This is an incredibly based take

[celest thorn]

im going to cry

[restive turret]

What is happening in labapi channel

[spring swan]

biggest event for primitive map makers

[icy knoll]

cooking... something ig

[slate flume]

So

Am I being stupid

What is wrong here

[true cedar]

16 people in vc wtf

[slate flume]

Join up pal

[earnest egret]

um, sigma?

[icy knoll]

use Player.ReadyList

[slate flume]

Oh

You right

[true cedar]

why

[restive turret]

okay pal, ban this guy

[true cedar]

why

is

this

guy

here

[slate flume]

Still broke 😭

[icy knoll]

yeah i guessed that :3

just thought id give you the better property

LOL

[true cedar]

what about it is broken

[slate flume]

It doesn't

Role sync

[hearty shard]

what

ReadyList gets npcs too

GetAll is fine

[icy knoll]

fr?

[hearty shard]

yes

[earnest egret]

[hearty shard]

i believe?

might be wrong slightly

[icy knoll]

id hope not

lol

[hearty shard]

but yeah GetAll is fine

[hearty shard]

id hope so?

if ur trying to do stuff without breaking server but also letting dummies yk act as dummies?

theyre meant to be fake players

[icy knoll]

hmm

[true cedar]

iirc u have to send a fake spawn message or some shot

shit

[slate flume]

OH

Wait

I know

I'm just

Really fucking stupid

[true cedar]

like eve!

[slate flume]

SodaSpy was null 🤦🏼‍♂️

[hearty shard]

HOE

[true cedar]

u cant say that

[celest thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1274617943258566726/1388251661968867528/4f50a1336062f87118500591cb342be274ef55893b571debb2c7c77f155869f9.webp?ex=68604d9c&is=685efc1c&hm=97ded5b46fb21d4ad1cae5f7b6577e8cdcff7efdd49a5550aaf0e793990afd34&=&format=webp&width=900&height=506

[dull temple]

does changing the wave tickets still only change the starting tickets

[lethal atlas]

Ur gay

[limber silo]

a fix has been issued for it

it will be delivered with labapi's next release

[dull temple]

gotcha, thanks 🫡

[teal junco]

I can get a float array from NAudio right?

[grand flower]

Yeah

Whatcha trying to do

Oh btw new rules seem to make audio recording ok for your demo stuff so that's good

On the flip side you'll probably get the EU and any other country/state with privacy laws at your doorstep if you don't do it right, so still a nono

[teal junco]

i want to stream parts of an audio file at a time to my audio speakers

[grand flower]

Yeah you can use NAudio for that

You'll need to encode it using VorbisEncoder iirc

before sending packets to players

[teal junco]

(i want to play a very large audio file in smaller chunks so i dont fuck up my memory)

i dont think ill be able to get this plugin in time tho so idk if i want to even start at this point

[grand flower]

I mean how big's the file

[teal junco]

okay

[teal junco]

we can say its like 40 megabytes but it takes up like a gigabyte of memory or something similar

[grand flower]

bruh

[teal junco]

thats why i wanna play it in pieces 😭

[grand flower]

in any case you can just use VorbisReader to read the file, it'll stream it in

and then VorbisEncoder to encode & send

[teal junco]

Will VorbisReader only read a specified number of bytes from the file?

so that I can get readable chunks

[grand flower]

Pretty sure you can make it read as many samples as you want

It's what we do

Read X samples, encode & send, read more if we're under a threshold

[teal junco]

oh so i dont even need NAudio in this case?

[grand flower]

nop

VorbisReader will do the reading and VorbisEncoder the encoding needed by SL

You'll need NVorbis as a dependency, that's it

[teal junco]

uhm....

so I do
VorbisReader.ReadSamples(float[] samples, int offset, int samplestoread);
offset += samplestoread;
then i can use the vorbis encoder i have to encode the samples and then send it as an AudioMessage?

[teal junco]

do you happen to mean OpusEncoder btw?

i dont see a VorbisEncoder

[grand flower]

oop, yeah, you're right

OpusEncoder

[grand flower]

yep

Offset should be 0

at all times

[teal junco]

oh so the reader will stay where it is

the offset doesnt need to be specified

[grand flower]

It'll read from the first byte in the samples that way

Read it to a buffer, then push the read samples into a queue

[teal junco]

then when i dequeue, i encode it and send it as n audio message?

[grand flower]

yep

[teal junco]

each sample is a byte array right

[grand flower]

each sample is a single float

You'll need to encode multiple and send them

[teal junco]

oh

I think I can figure out a way to mod this into AudioPlayerApi

probably lazy but i want to have it by tomorrow

[teal junco]

just wont mesh very well, but if i make it only for me then only i need to know

[celest thorn]

Does someone know if with EntityStateMessage you can send multiple info like

Position, Rotation and Scale?

[worthy rune]

ESM can send any syncvar info for any network behaviour for the specified network identity

[celest thorn]

I mean i need to send like one entity message and just sync 3 vars

that are this ones

    public static void SendFakeUpdate(
        this Player target,
        uint netId,
        Type targetType, 
        ClientSide side
    )
    {
        string syncVarKey_Position = $"{targetType.Name}.NetworkPosition";
        string syncVarKey_Rotation = $"{targetType.Name}.NetworkRotation";
        string syncVarKey_Scale = $"{targetType.Name}.NetworkScale";
        using var observer = NetworkWriterPool.Get();
        
        Compression.CompressVarUInt(observer, 1UL);

        int lengthPos    = observer.Position;
        observer.WriteByte(0);
        int payloadStart = observer.Position;

        if (!SyncVarDirtyBits.TryGetValue(syncVarKey_Position, out ulong syncVarMaskPosition))
        {
            return;
        }
        
        if (!SyncVarDirtyBits.TryGetValue(syncVarKey_Rotation, out ulong syncVarMaskRotation))
        {
            return;
        }
        
        if (!SyncVarDirtyBits.TryGetValue(syncVarKey_Scale, out ulong syncVarMaskScale))
        {
            return;
        }

        var syncVarMask = syncVarMaskPosition + syncVarMaskRotation + syncVarMaskScale;
        
        //REMINDER 16 is when transform updates for AdminToys.
        bool isSecondWrite = typeof(AdminToyBase).IsAssignableFrom(targetType) && syncVarMask > 16;
        
        observer.WriteULong(0);
        observer.WriteULong(syncVarMask);
        
        if(isSecondWrite)
            observer.WriteULong(syncVarMask);
        
        if (!WriterExtensions.TryGetValue(typeof(AdminToyBase), out var writerDel))
        {
            return;
        }

        writerDel.Invoke(null, new object[] {observer, side.position, side.rotation, side.scale});

        if(!isSecondWrite)
            observer.WriteULong(0);
        
        int payloadEnd = observer.Position;
        observer.Position = lengthPos;
        observer.WriteByte((byte)(payloadEnd - payloadStart));
        observer.Position = payloadEnd;

        target.Connection.Send(new EntityStateMessage
        {
            netId = netId,
            payload = observer.ToArraySegment()
        });
    }

I tried making it like this, if i just do one value it works fine if i do multiple nope

[worthy rune]

yeah any amount of values works

[celest thorn]

the client doesn't reply with anything

and the server is sending

but client doesn't actually do anything

[worthy rune]

the only restriction is that they have to be associated with the network identity

[celest thorn]

it is

[worthy rune]

reply?

[celest thorn]

No errors

i mean

[worthy rune]

ahh

[celest thorn]

like the client is fine, and the server is fine

but in reality nothing updates

[restive turret]

1uL

[celest thorn]

i checked Mirror but it should be fine

[celest thorn]

??

[restive turret]

You should set how many sync var you send

I think

[celest thorn]

let me check

lets see if 3 does the job

because syncvars are fine in total is 7

[restive turret]

Also idk if SyncVarMask is accurate

[worthy rune]

shouldnt need to write the number of sync vars, as thats apart of the mask

[celest thorn]

yea it doesn't still even changing that

[worthy rune]

do you a version of the code thats documented line by line

[celest thorn]

no?

[worthy rune]

this would of been a good time

[celest thorn]

I just know with one works, with 3 no

even tho it should be because mirror just does this

        if (spawned.TryGetValue(message.netId, out NetworkIdentity identity) && identity != null)
        {
            using (NetworkReaderPooled reader = NetworkReaderPool.Get(message.payload))
                identity.DeserializeClient(reader, false);
        }

https://github.com/MirrorNetworking/Mirror/blob/2d9c37d6b13745742b3c0ce2061fd058e8a76431/Assets/Mirror/Core/NetworkClient.cs#L1433

Oh wait

i just saw something

probably is not sending?

nope it sends

[restive turret]

I think your SyncVarMask is not valid

[worthy rune]

whats this doing

if (!WriterExtensions.TryGetValue(typeof(AdminToyBase), out var writerDel))
{
    return;
}

writerDel.Invoke(null, new object[] {observer, side.position, side.rotation, side.scale});

[restive turret]

Also here some thing that might help you.
https://github.com/KadavasKingdom/LabApiExtensions/blob/main/Extensions/FakeSyncExtension.cs

[worthy rune]

i see

[celest thorn]

Its just getting the Writer

for admintoys

[worthy rune]

that doesnt seem right

[celest thorn]

That works fine with just one

the problem with >= 2 doesn't work

[restive turret]

I will try something when i will be at my PC

How many SyncVars you wanna write?

Like maximum

[celest thorn]

3

[restive turret]

Ok

[celest thorn]

in general i think 3

but i will rewrite to actually support more

and do like one update every time

[worthy rune]

is there a NetworkWriter<Admintoy>() method that you are getting?

[restive turret]

I don't think such a writer exists

[celest thorn]

    /// <summary>
    /// Gets <see cref="MethodInfo"/> corresponding to <see cref="Type"/>.
    /// </summary>
    public static ReadOnlyDictionary<Type, MethodInfo> WriterExtensions
    {
        get
        {
            if (WriterExtensionsValue.Count == 0)
            {
                foreach (MethodInfo method in typeof(NetworkWriterExtensions).GetMethods().Where(x => !x.IsGenericMethod && x.GetCustomAttribute(typeof(ObsoleteAttribute)) == null && (x.GetParameters()?.Length == 2)))
                    WriterExtensionsValue.Add(method.GetParameters().First(x => x.ParameterType != typeof(NetworkWriter)).ParameterType, method);

                Type fuckNorthwood = Assembly.GetAssembly(typeof(RoleTypeId)).GetType("Mirror.GeneratedNetworkCode");
                foreach (MethodInfo method in fuckNorthwood.GetMethods().Where(x => !x.IsGenericMethod && (x.GetParameters()?.Length == 2) && (x.ReturnType == typeof(void))))
                    WriterExtensionsValue.Add(method.GetParameters().First(x => x.ParameterType != typeof(NetworkWriter)).ParameterType, method);

                foreach (Type serializer in typeof(ServerConsole).Assembly.GetTypes().Where(x => x.Name.EndsWith("Serializer")))
                {
                    foreach (MethodInfo method in serializer.GetMethods().Where(x => (x.ReturnType == typeof(void)) && x.Name.StartsWith("Write")))
                        WriterExtensionsValue.Add(method.GetParameters().First(x => x.ParameterType != typeof(NetworkWriter)).ParameterType, method);
                }
            }

            return ReadOnlyWriterExtensionsValue;
        }
    }

I didn't create this but its from exiled and yes the fucknorthwood is from there lol

[restive turret]

Please check in ACS if there is a Network writer dedicated for AdminToy

There is probably NONE

But you can try

[worthy rune]

^

[celest thorn]

wtf are you guys on

[worthy rune]

there wouldnt be one for admin toys

[celest thorn]

OH i figured it out

[worthy rune]

those network writer functions are for serializing/deserializing primitives and custom code. the code for syncvars and entity state messages is entirely generated

[celest thorn]

        if (!WriterExtensions.TryGetValue(typeof(T), out var writerDel))
        {
            return;
        }

        writerDel.Invoke(null, new object[] {observer, value});

Other code does this T is the value so for example Vector3

[restive turret]

Also you can just do
observer.Write(Position)

[celest thorn]

But now i need to write multiple

[worthy rune]

yeah

[restive turret]

Ye

[celest thorn]

So by knowing this how tf am i going to send data

I just write it?

[restive turret]

Wait you don't write anything after the 16'th SyncVar so you gucci

[worthy rune]

you already know the types, so you dont need to get it via reflection

[celest thorn]

observer.WriteVector3(side.position);
observer.WriteQuaternion(side.rotation);
observer.WriteVector3(side.scale);

i guess this does the job

[worthy rune]

yeah

[celest thorn]

lets see if my client will explode

or work

[teal junco]

Should this sorta work? Yes, is very derivative of AudioPlayerApi.

    void Awake()
    {
        Timing.CallDelayed(10f, () =>
        {
            InvokeRepeating(nameof(SendAudio), 0, (float)AudioClipPlayback.PacketSize / AudioClipPlayback.SamplingRate);
        });
        Timing.RunCoroutine(ReadAudioFile());
    }

    public Queue<float[]> sampleQueue = new Queue<float[]>();

    internal IEnumerator<float> ReadAudioFile()
    {
        bool shouldRun = true;
        while (shouldRun)
        {
            while (sampleQueue.Count < 200)
            {  
                float[] _pcm = new float[480];
                vorbisReader.ReadSamples(_pcm, 0, 480);
                sampleQueue.Enqueue(_pcm);
            }
            yield return Timing.WaitForOneFrame;
        }
    }

    internal void SendAudio()
    {
        float[] pcmGot = sampleQueue.Dequeue();
        int encodedLength = OpusEncoder.Encode(pcmGot, _encodedPcm);
        AudioMessage msg = new AudioMessage
        {
            ControllerId = ControllerID,
            Data = _encodedPcm,
            DataLength = encodedLength,
        };
        NetworkServer.SendToReady(msg);
    }

[worthy rune]

was there any problems

[restive turret]

writer.WriteULong(dirtyBitMask); //writing the mask
// Writing Sync Var here now, should write from smalles of SyncVar Byte to higher one, first 1uL, 2uL, 4uL, .. etc
writer.Write(syncVarForFirst); // THIS SHOULD BE THE SMALLEST ONE!
writer.Write(syncVarFor2);
writer.Write(syncVarFor3);
writer.WriteULong(dirtyBitMask); //This satisfy the inherited one.

[teal junco]

i havent tested it because im not in a position to, but i just want to know if anyone finds any glaring logical issues

[worthy rune]

i see

[teal junco]

im gonna go sleep and ill test it tomorrow

[restive turret]

Its already tomorrow

8:25

[worthy rune]

you could use the labapis audio transmitter for sending audio, instead of trying todo it yourself

[teal junco]

lab api has an audio player wrapper?

[worthy rune]

a basic one yeah

to play/pause/stop

[teal junco]

oh so can i enqueue samples for it to play

so i only have to handle acquiring the samples

oh holy shit

[worthy rune]

yeah

[celest thorn]

Ok so it works

i don't understand tho its because im doing 140ms on the server or what but if i spawn multiple of 100 primitives moving randomly the client decides to delay everything

I just do it only when there's an update tho

[teal junco]

500,000 should be a nice amount, right?

i mean thats like ten seconds of samples

i think

[worthy rune]

client likely cant process everything in time

[celest thorn]

i think what i might do is just cache everything if no updates or anything it doesn't actually update

just when its needed

[worthy rune]

not sure if its a mirror thing but the client can fall behind

[celest thorn]

but rn it does that

[worthy rune]

that would be just like what mirror does by default for sync vars yeah

best way to save on networking is to make sure you only move the parent/root object

[celest thorn]

i do that

[worthy rune]

if you have like a particle system, your out of luck

[celest thorn]

but every object inside needs to update too

to like work in that way

[worthy rune]

no?

[celest thorn]

Vector3 currentPosition = transform.position;
Vector3 currentRotation = transform.eulerAngles;
Vector3 currentScale = transform.lossyScale;

        UpdatesObject updates = UpdatesObject.None;

        if (currentPosition != _lastPosition)
        {
            updates |= UpdatesObject.Position;
            _lastPosition = currentPosition;
        }

        if (currentRotation != _lastRotation)
        {
            updates |= UpdatesObject.Rotation;
            _lastRotation = currentRotation;
        }

        if (currentScale != _lastScale)
        {
            updates |= UpdatesObject.Scale;
            _lastScale = currentScale;
        }

        if (updates != UpdatesObject.None)
            UpdatePosition?.Invoke(this, updates);

[worthy rune]

unless the children are not admin toys they dont require updates

[worthy rune]

you should check out AudioTransmitter.Player(...)

[celest thorn]

like as you can see this is on the update

so everytime there's an update it does that

[teal junco]

what is that for

[celest thorn]

attachedObject.UpdatePosition += (e, o) =>
{
if (e != AttachedObject)
return;

        foreach(Player player in this.PlayersLoaded)
            player.SendFakeUpdate(NetId, typeof(AdminToyBase), this); 
    };

[worthy rune]

you can queue the audio, or stream it by calling it multiple times

[worthy rune]

use local pos/rot/scale instead

[celest thorn]

hm let me test

[worthy rune]

your not patching anything internally to use world over local are you?

[celest thorn]

no im not doing anything to sl poor code its already tortured enough

[teal junco]

oh, like this maybe

[worthy rune]

yeah

[teal junco]

im pissed off by this error but if i fix it the plugin will probably work if i set it up correctly

[teal junco]

thanks for pointing me to that wrapper

its very helpful

to not have to handle the messaging myself :D

[worthy rune]

for the error there should be a property with the currently loaded count(samples not sent yet)

[restive turret]

Like publicize?

[restive turret]

Gahaha

Of fuckin course

[worthy rune]

use AudioTransmitter.CurrentSampleCount instead of AudioTransmitter.AudioCLipSamples.Count

[restive turret]

Add mscorlib from game.
You probably need to add other stuff into csproj

[celest thorn]

yea btw doing that just doesn't update them at all

[worthy rune]

local?

[celest thorn]

yep

Vector3 currentPosition = transform.localPosition;
Vector3 currentRotation = transform.localRotation.eulerAngles;
Vector3 currentScale = transform.localScale;

[teal junco]

sob....

[restive turret]

This to you iced

[worthy rune]

something wrong

[restive turret]

If you use that you doing need to add mscorlib

I think

[teal junco]

Those two mean different things, currentsamplecount is the current samples being read

[worthy rune]

when you send these are you sending local pos/rot/scale?

[celest thorn]

i just don't think its wrong because its just

object so it makes sense that local position is 1

[restive turret]

Last time i seen the rotation is a quat

[celest thorn]

yep

[teal junco]

AudioClipSamples.Count is the number of samples in queue to be read

[restive turret]

Please check admintoy serialize

It should be a quat

Instead of v3

[celest thorn]

oh yea no it gets converted

don't worry

[restive turret]

Ah

[worthy rune]

ahh yeah your correct

i thought i had added one for total samples, i guess not

you will need to referece mscorlib from the game(also you might have to remove the reference VS/rider provides to get it to work) like SlejmUr said

[restive turret]

<NoStdLib>true</NoStdLib>
I think inside your csproj and add mscorlib to your references or smth

[worthy rune]

technically thats how the game is doing it, and iirc networking was vastly improved(it used to send all even children in 14.0 which caused that delay like you saw before)

[teal junco]

yea i just replaced it

it worked

[celest thorn]

so yea i need to recreate that yippe

[worthy rune]

should be been as easy as replacing world with local

[celest thorn]

wait

[worthy rune]

but idk how you have set everything up

[celest thorn]

if i send an update for each children

so like

Main
child 1

etc..

thats causing the lag

because each children is sending an update

i don't think i can send just update this...

else i would need to spawn a primitive and update just that

[worthy rune]

so are you saying if the root changes, you force update all children?

[celest thorn]

yes.

[upper vapor]

i have a library for that releasing in a few days

[worthy rune]

[restive turret]

never

[celest thorn]

I mean what can i do to make it better

because as of rn the primitives don't have a parent with an identity

just with something normal

[worthy rune]

im referring to cases where you have primitives where they are children to other primitives and you want all to move together, if thats not the case and all should move indepentant theres nothing you can do

[upper vapor]

you have to reallocate an array every time you wanna do that, or check if the clip is free to reuse it

[celest thorn]

i guess i could use this 2

[unique crane]

Hubert discovering these 2 events yesterday

[celest thorn]

I know

[restive turret]

Can confirm

[worthy rune]

i think thats only called when transform.parent changes, not any changes to the pos/rot/scale

[celest thorn]

but i used it yesterday and just wasn't alr

[worthy rune]

huh?

[unique crane]

(I didn't know about them either)

[restive turret]

Yes it's true

And been there since 2021

[unique crane]

He was streaming the culling toy dev

[worthy rune]

ahh, ofc on the day im away

[upper vapor]

i have a recording if you want it

[restive turret]

:D

[celest thorn]

crazy

btw hii axwabo

[upper vapor]

haii

[celest thorn]

lets see if today by staying in vc i can crash central server by convincing someone

[upper vapor]

😭

[unique crane]

I wonder if I can stream doing stuff too

[celest thorn]

im honestly loosing my mind

[celest thorn]

Until you don't leak stuff

[restive turret]

You guys starting up what happened yesterday

[unique crane]

Labapi Dev streams

[celest thorn]

Crazy

[celest thorn]

Yea just me asking hubert if he liked the capybara

[unique crane]

Where we refactor old game code

[celest thorn]

Exiled death

the heat death of exiled

[restive turret]

I mean probably not much since need art and stuff

🔥

[worthy rune]

ooo let me see

[unique crane]

August 2025

Heat death of the exiled

[celest thorn]

New mantra

[upper vapor]

gotta ffmpeg it still, it's 800 MB and separate audio channels

[restive turret]

Thanks for leaking 14.1.2

[celest thorn]

BRO WHAT

[celest thorn]

Thanks for leaking 15.0.0

[unique crane]

It's reference to the spongebob ai

[restive turret]

No problem

[unique crane]

😭

[celest thorn]

i know

i did the same lol

[restive turret]

What

[upper vapor]

1h 42 mins

[celest thorn]

the heat death of exiled

[celest thorn]

btw do you still need translations

[upper vapor]

i got it ty

[restive turret]

Upload into yt

[celest thorn]

crazy

[restive turret]

I always crazy

[teal junco]

do what?

[upper vapor]

like for reading

you need a buffer per "clip"

i guess you could overwrite data in an existing buffer but i don't think you can guarantee at which point the end is reached

[teal junco]

i only plan to play one audio file per player

[celest thorn]

yea btw no hangout this is sad ;(

[unique crane]

It's 9 in the morning

[upper vapor]

i need a few mins, gotta breakfast stilll

i'll let ffmpeg run in the meantime for Riptide

[celest thorn]

Honestly

Im going insane

spawning 200 primitives moving around cause the client to explode so badly

not of fps of mirror messages

i need a way to just lower that down ;(

[unique crane]

Rewriting admin toys to messages now

[celest thorn]

i did

and thats what im doing

its JUST TOO MANY MESSAGES

i cannot do much

WAIT

i could bundle them

[unique crane]

That's why SL used like the cascaded RPCs

Like the auto sync stuff

[celest thorn]

im going insane

i need a way to bundle them without causing desync

[unique crane]

Prob no

[celest thorn]

because the server collider updates fine

the problem is client exploding

[unique crane]

Why

[worthy rune]

they are already batched

[restive turret]

Batch deez

Tbh don't think you can send multiple at once

But

[celest thorn]

Rn this is how it looks 100 primitives stacked on top of each other updating and just doing weird stuff

[restive turret]

Good luck

[celest thorn]

so 200 primitives just moving randomly and changing rotation scale

[restive turret]

You and your primitives

[celest thorn]

i know

im going insane

to try and make it optimized

[celest thorn]

i need to resist for another build

[celest thorn]

yea ;(

[unique crane]

Zer0 I'll rewrite primitives and break all of your stuff

[celest thorn]

Honestly you cannot

[unique crane]

Wdym

[celest thorn]

I use fucking low level mirror directly

to do everyting

even handling movement

[restive turret]

That's hubert job

[celest thorn]

so try breaking that

[unique crane]

What if I don't make them network behaviour

[celest thorn]

yea at that point i cannot do much

[unique crane]

I make standalone message to spawn them

[celest thorn]

i can just recreate that by changing one line