So annoying to see people putting PCs on the floor in 2025
#plugins-dev-chat
pseudo hawk
grand flower
Considering the amount of maintenance required on mine i don't think it'd matter
pseudo hawk
Keep it on an elevated surface
Keeping it on the ground causes it to collect more dust
grand flower
Doesn't matter if you maintain it often enough
heady turret
is there any class of SurfaceAccessPass keycard?
random scaffold
@harsh thorn sir
why with task.run server lag to 1-2 seconds each join of the player
bruh
but without it works normal
upper vapor
what if you used awaitables
worthy rune
<@448186467466870784> sir
task.run doesnt do what you think it does when you mix it with async/await, but i wouldnt of thought it would be the cause of hanging the server for 1/2 seconds. so thats abit strange
unique crane
Are you connecting to the DB somewhere else too?
random scaffold
no
worthy rune
you should show what you are doing in ExistsByUserId and Add
unique crane
^
worthy rune
that doesnt really tell us anything
random scaffold
you should show what you are doing in ExistsByUserId and Add
upper vapor
did you rewind the writer to its position before reading the uint?
worthy rune
you will need to show all the async code, all the way down. the issue is likely you are blocking somewhere
upper vapor
you will need to show all the async code, all the way down. the issue is likely ...
it shouldn't block the main thread if we're doing Task.Run
worthy rune
it will, after the first await its back on the main thread
thats why i said using task.run doesnt do what you think it does
upper vapor
ugh threadpool
worthy rune
not really todo with the theadpool
its how async/await works, with Unity specifically. see the UnitySynchronizationContext
royal mica
it will, after the first await its back on the main thread
Wait, after first await it returns to main thread?
Damn that is very obscure
upper vapor
yep
checks out
nvm
unrelated post
again,
Capturing a synchronization context increases the performance overhead of your application and waiting for the next frame Update to resume on the main thread introduces latency at scale. You can avoid both these issues by using Awaitable instead.
worthy rune
tbf unity does say this alot, in multiple places
upper vapor
tbf unity does say this alot, in multiple places
i haven't come across the unity sync context yet somehow
worthy rune
the returning to main thread that is ^
not many people use async/await in plugins so it doesnt surprise me
royal mica
So, wait. If there is a Task, which runs an async function, and an await happens, the next frame it'll use unity main thread instead of the ThreadPool task thread?
worthy rune
yes
royal mica
Holy shit thats why sending discord webhooks kill the game when discord has issues 
worthy rune
its a reason why you dont need Task.Run just do _ = AsyncMethod(); instead
yeah its because you cant use the UnityAPI from another thread and this reduces the chances of devs fucking things up
random scaffold
so how me need do in result?
royal mica
yeah the problem is that we do a while loop in there, not sure if that blocks despite being asnyc
upper vapor
so how me need do in result?
Awaitables
royal mica
Hmm, then I suppose I need to refactor it into a Coroutine async instead of Task.Run
upper vapor
Hmm, then I suppose I need to refactor it into a Coroutine async instead of Task...
far easier to just replace with awaitable
worthy rune
you can do AsyncMethod().ConfigureAwait(false) if you need to contintue on the same thread and not move to the main thread after the await
upper vapor
Task<T> -> Awaitable<T>
and
await Awaitable.BackgroundThreadAsync();
upper vapor
you can do ``AsyncMethod().ConfigureAwait(false)`` if you need to contintue on t...
that too
worthy rune
Hmm, then I suppose I need to refactor it into a Coroutine async instead of Task...
Task.Run is good for Heavy CPU based tasks, using it for I/O is abit weird
random scaffold
https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.1/Documentation/Manual/async-await-support.html
but its already that
upper vapor
but its already that
you return tasks and not awaitables
royal mica
The main motivation was we are running a while loop that is consuming queue and didn't want to lock up frames for consumption
but I guess this caused the ultimate failures
random scaffold
you return tasks and not awaitables
Task.Run(async () =>
{
if (!await UsersModule.Repository.ExistsByUserId(userId))
{
await UsersModule.Repository.Add(new(userId));
}
});
``` how me need change it then?private async Awaitable<float> DoHeavyComputationInBackgroundAsync()
{
await Awaitable.BackgroundThreadAsync();
// here we are on a background thread
// do some heavy math here
return 42; // note: we don't need to explicitly get back to the main thread here, depending on the caller thread, DoHeavyComputationInBackgroundAsync will automatically complete on the correct one.
}
public async Awaitable Start()
{
var computationResult = await DoHeavyComputationInBackgroundAsync();
// although DoHeavyComputationInBackgroundAsync() internally switches to a background thread to avoid blocking,
// because we await it from the main thread, we also resume execution on the main thread and can safely call "main thread only APIs" such as LoadSceneAsync()
await SceneManager.LoadSceneAsync("my-scene"); // this will succeed as we resumed on main thread
}
#plugins-dev-chat message whats going on here? why is it return (long)await ExecuteScale(...
that doesnt look like correct code
upper vapor
you go to the background thread and boom
unique crane
that doesnt look like correct code
Oh no thats fine
upper vapor
also yeah
unique crane
SELECT count() returns single value
upper vapor
why count all entries if any match
worthy rune
does long get implicitly converted to bool
royal mica
Also which DMBS are you using? Oh mysql
upper vapor
let them count the thousands of entries 
royal mica
You need to do SELECT EXISTS(SELECT * FROM table1 WHERE ...)
random scaffold
it show same what count(*)
unique crane
Because exists requires a subquery
random scaffold
you in anyway get all lines
unique crane
let them count the thousands of entries <:toomuchtrolling:974345880817791016>
Doubt he has more than 200 xd
royal mica
also with exists you do not get all lines, it stops at first line
random scaffold
Doubt he has more than 200 xd
unique crane
Thats still nothing for DB
royal mica
Still passable without indexes 😛
unique crane
😐
random scaffold
<https://github.com/bchavez/Bogus>
why it
but easier just make separately service
bruh
random scaffold
why not
random scaffold
it easier than lost 10 hours to do https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.1/Documentation/Manual/async-awaitable-introduction.html
unique crane
Why are you even awaiting in seperate thread
upper vapor
db calls
random scaffold
Why are you even awaiting in seperate thread
it faster
before server have lag
but he have and now lol
royal mica
Async doesn't make it faster, it just makes it so it can do other stuff in the thread until it is complete 😄
unique crane
And since that thread is purely for sending db the data..
royal mica
Bus stop analogy. You can check your phone while waiting for the bus, you do not need to stand still looking for the bus
upper vapor
the illusion of multithreading
random scaffold
Async doesn't make it faster, it just makes it so it can do other stuff in the t...
so lags doesnt must exists?
unique crane
Its not like its gonna cook TPS meanwhile
upper vapor
Bus stop analogy. You can check your phone while waiting for the bus, you do not...
bus.Arrive().Wait()
unique crane
Also you can combine the queries into a single call
royal mica
so lags doesnt must exists?
it is not that it is lag. its the problem of the game thread stops handling the database stuff instead of doing game stuff.
Async/Await makes it so it gives the database stuff to a background worker while it continues doing game stuff and then background worker says its done so it continues doing so
royal mica
bus.Arrive().Wait()
bus.Late().Blame(Companies.VOLÁN)
royal mica
oh yeah they merged in BP
upper vapor
upper vapor
the government-owned train and bus agencies are unified in hungary
royal mica
yup
upper vapor
yea
random scaffold
it is not that it is lag. its the problem of the game thread stops handling the ...
therefore, the server delay should disappear
random scaffold
No need to wait for exists call to return
im just wanna do it without lag for server bruh
royal mica
therefore, the server delay should disappear
Technically yes, but I'm pointing out that it doesn't "make it faster", rather it doesn't stop the main thread
random scaffold
Technically yes, but I'm pointing out that it doesn't "make it faster", rather i...
i mean it
upper vapor
it makes it faster
by negative amounts of microseconds
-# state machine overhead
unique crane
Multiply by float instead of division moment
random scaffold
im just wanna do it without lag for server bruh
.
royal mica
Multiply by float instead of division moment
Isn't that optimized by the compiler anyway?
Atleast nowadays
upper vapor
Isn't that optimized by the compiler anyway?
by the JIT compiler probably
unique crane
Idk
unique crane
Well why connecting it to DB when your not using it anywhere else?
Just keep it in memory 
random scaffold
because me need access to queries by hands
upper vapor
LA
random scaffold
im dont wanna download file and restart the server just for change
unique crane
Add cmds to LA if you need to do any modification at runtime
random scaffold
me need 40-50 specific queries
unique crane
Or that yea
random scaffold
its stupid
unique crane
But why are you editing it manually?
random scaffold
im dont wanna download each time
random scaffold
But why are you editing it manually?
for checks
unique crane
Wdym
random scaffold
and add something
upper vapor
manual migrations? 
royal mica
I guess I'm at the other end of the spectrum, cause I'm parsing LocalAdmin logs for the same reason 
random scaffold
Wdym
select u.userId, un.nickName from users as u join usernames as un on un.userId = u.id;
example
upper vapor
I guess I'm at the other end of the spectrum, cause I'm parsing LocalAdmin logs ...
LA logs
dam
random scaffold
manual migrations? <:despair:585341176014569472>
why me need migration?
royal mica
oh no
random scaffold
why?
upper vapor
are you saying that your current schema will last a lifetime?
it won't
you'll have to change it at some point
= code changes & db changes
random scaffold
you'll have to change it at some point
plugin automatically generate new tables
royal mica
Wait, you have auto DBMS on?
random scaffold
or, well, the model
me dont need modify it
upper vapor
Wait, you have auto DBMS on?
this is advanced technology we haven't seen before
random scaffold
I think them through in advance
royal mica
Nah I do know this, this is a feature in Spring as well
where it auto creates all the tables
royal mica
BUT the caviat is that you cannot:
- rename columns, only create new
- delete columns
- delete tables
upper vapor
they may be correct now but you don't know if they will change
royal mica
you can only do forward, no deleteion or revert
upper vapor
where it auto creates all the tables
fair
random scaffold
https://tenor.com/view/haha-so-funny-gif-27253208
Don't think you're smarter than everyone else. I don't need to change the schema, just add new ones and receive and modify existing ones.
unique crane
You never know when we will change the ID system in SL
upper vapor
Don't think you're smarter than everyone else. I don't need to change the schema...
i'm not saying i'm smarter
i'm just saying that requirements can change
random scaffold
You never know when we will change the ID system in SL <:trolling:10964381000975...
but you didnt will change it
in anyway
breakable change
upper vapor
who knows
you have to be prepared to modify the schema to add new features
it's not that difficult
just know that it's likely inevitable
no matter how much you think ahead
flat vine
👌
unique crane
Yipee
upper vapor
how many drives have you managed to fill up (all clients)
unique crane
but why you said before Task.Run but now already sent other?
?
random scaffold
or not you
unique crane
yes you can make a task
But we told you what to do with the async
Or well riptide explained it
frail orbit
Is there a channel where I can hire developers to create plugins for LabAPI?
mild ice
Is there a channel where I can hire developers to create plugins for LabAPI?
We don't have a dedicated one, no
random scaffold
yes you can make a task
its already task ...
random scaffold
Is there a channel where I can hire developers to create plugins for LabAPI?
you can write me
xd
mild ice
We don't have a dedicated one, no
There's a list of each channel and what they are used for in #labapi-information
unique crane
its already task ...
And we told you what to do with the awaits
random scaffold
And we told you what to do with the awaits
i didnt understand
rty524t4ht4rht
public override void OnPlayerJoined(PlayerJoinedEventArgs ev)
{
if (ev.Player.IsNpc || ev.Player.IsHost) return;
string userId = ev.Player.UserId;
Task.Run(async () =>
{
if (!await UsersModule.Repository.ExistsByUserId(userId))
{
await UsersModule.Repository.Add(new(userId));
}
});
}
just say how i can make it better then
unique crane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Dtb_4os1o
Perhaps this could help ya?
Understand it more
slender lynx
how many drives have you managed to fill up (all clients)
biggest client log was 120gb
unique crane
biggest client log was 120gb
BRUH
upper vapor
dammmmm
unique crane
I would report your server for that 
random scaffold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Dtb_4os1o
Perhaps this could help ya?
but me dont need a script
im just wanna handle on join
upper vapor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Dtb_4os1o
Perhaps this could help ya?
oh i've seen this lol
frail orbit
you can write me
upper vapor
good one
slender lynx
I would report your server for that <:kekw:751502484937375932>
also tbf sl client uses an outdated mirror and this issue is fixed in newer versions
unique crane
also tbf sl client uses an outdated mirror and this issue is fixed in newer vers...
What does it log?
upper vapor
but me dont need a script
you don't need a script
slender lynx
What does it log?
Did not find target for sync message for 6518. Were all prefabs added to the NetworkManager's spawnable list?```but on video a script
slender lynx
it would spam this, but i believe that it dosen't contain this log anymore
unique crane
```Note: this can be completely normal because UDP messages may arrive out of or...
Eeeee
Oookay
slender lynx
its because we faked primitives for the client
to make everything fully client side
even updating/changing primitives
the client didnt know how to update packets that was technically not spawned for it
unique crane
to make everything **fully** client side
Why?
upper vapor
millions of primitives
harsh thorn
even updating/changing primitives
need to do proper message handling then
(drop sync messages for primitives that arent there)
harsh thorn
i created server log files like that once
slender lynx
harsh thorn
when working on cmac
slender lynx
our la logs used to be so bad when we first started working that we had to disable it
i allocated 40gb to storage and it would fill in ~ 5 minutes of server uptime
harsh thorn
😭
harsh thorn
time to performance test the wallhack fucker upper 9000
slender lynx
we were thinking of just adding a huge invis player always in front of the cheater
the wallhack will only render the cham of the one player
harsh thorn
theyd just filter it out though
slender lynx
they could ig yeah
harsh thorn
they already do this
slender lynx
sunrise is cool but it definetly gives too many false positives
especially on anyone above 50ms
hoping to get something more consistent
harsh thorn
ive worked on cmac to specifically account for that
but its hardto test
it processes teslas individually per player based on their ping
slender lynx
yeah teslas are wierd for that
upper vapor
but its hardto test
develop your own cheats
harsh thorn
develop your own cheats <:toomuchtrolling:974345880817791016>
cheaters test for me
slender lynx
develop your own cheats <:toomuchtrolling:974345880817791016>
tbf midnight was free for a couple days
slender lynx
its just a hwid stealer
then resell that
russian technology
the first proccess it does is checking hardware info
if no vm then check hwid
harsh thorn
did you know, when i released the first bit of cmac and sentinal data stuff
i added something that crashed midnight uppon spawn
slender lynx
thats amazing
upper vapor
lmfao
harsh thorn
they fixed it like a day after, but it was still funny
now midnight detects cedmod and disabled noclip (for pickup through wall) and harmless tesla
albeit i dont actually see any record of it doing so
cuz their users are either dumb and are ignoring the "you will get banned"
or its not working
harsh thorn
surely if your cheat client tells you you will get nuked you should not enable it
harsh thorn
i wonder when i finish the sentinalsimulator to do aimbot and shit, will they disable that too
incase you wonder, what is the simulator
upper vapor
always loved how they choose to cheat in the game with no ranking
cheating in a free micspam unity game
what a great way to spend your time
harsh thorn
we were thinking of just adding a huge invis player always in front of the cheat...
yeah they did it already
their playerlist bypass was just cache if its filmmaker
so i make it send spectator now
sometimes overwatch
unique crane
42 million primitives before a client crash
That is crazy
What are you doing with them
slender lynx
pvp server, parkour server, and just general limit testing
hearty shard
😭
slender lynx
the main thing is getting the updating components to work client side
thats what caused the client logs
out of the ~ 65k primitives say 5k of them are constantly updating
client shits itself bc most of them werent loaded
harsh thorn
this is what i did for anti wallhack
i would say performance is quite decent
ignore my serverside wallhack that isnt actually a wallhack™️
slender lynx
hows the perf impact of that with ~ 60 players though
i feel like that would start to stack fast
harsh thorn
hows the perf impact of that with ~ 60 players though
i can test with 60 players
upper vapor
out of the ~ 65k primitives say 5k of them are constantly updating
why are there 5k updates 😭
couldn't you parent objects?
slender lynx
why are there 5k updates 😭
each of these is a different parkour tower
all with spinners, keys, client objects, teleporters, damage blocks, etc
harsh thorn
hm i need to get a better tps metric
upper vapor
hm i need to get a better tps metric
spam the tps command like Zero
slender lynx
spam the tps command like Zero <:toomuchtrolling:974345880817791016>
tbf it works though
if you spam it enough it works
unique crane
each of these is a different parkour tower
Okay that is...
slender lynx
Okay that is...
parkour is fun
upper vapor
all with spinners, keys, client objects, teleporters, damage blocks, etc
did you just highlight "client objects"
slender lynx
did you just highlight "client objects"
only loaded for a client in a specific tower
yeah
upper vapor
ye good
harsh thorn
your method freeze the server to 2-3 secodns
then your doing it wrong
random scaffold
task.run in on player joined
harsh thorn
works fine for me
random scaffold
then your doing it wrong
but its normal
slender lynx
that is craaazy
idk if it will embed but let me get a vid rq
harsh thorn
cedmod is litterally the largest plugin that has most task usage of any plugin
and has no such issues
random scaffold
what here can be wrong?
harsh thorn
if your tasks use too much cpu it will bleed over into the actual main thread
random scaffold
if your tasks use too much cpu it will bleed over into the actual main thread
it just select and insert into
cpu stable
harsh thorn
idk then, it works fine for me
unique crane
Am I crazy or is this from roblox
hearty shard
Roblox obby in sl
slender lynx
what you think of it tho
unique crane
<@282125275930820608> showcase
https://i.e-z.host/📸/eeafl2ne.mp4
Nice fps
slender lynx
thats what happens when everything is client side
unique crane
Or more of seconds per frame
slender lynx
the vid compresses itself so much on this host
i gotta change it eventually
the client fps is fine though
103 fps with ~ 60k prims
celest thorn
I love black magic
slender lynx
black magic parkour
btw zero when the thing i sent you is fixed can you merge everything to main
celest thorn
This server is powered the shadow organization
celest thorn
btw zero when the thing i sent you is fixed can you merge everything to main
Yes :3
harsh thorn
i feel like that would start to stack fast
theres some kind of "hard limit" but im not sure if this is sl itself, or the patch
cuz i know my server shoots upt to 260% cpu in the lobby with 70 dumies
slender lynx
theres some kind of "hard limit" but im not sure if this is sl itself, or the pa...
yeah thats the issue i was talking about
harsh thorn
albeit it could be as simple as it detecting if its killing tps and just turning itself off
slender lynx
those 1% dips to less than 40tps is gonna be noticeable
celest thorn
theres some kind of "hard limit" but im not sure if this is sl itself, or the pa...
By FakeSynced what you mean?
harsh thorn
By FakeSynced what you mean?
the client thinks the person is a spectator
upper vapor
theres some kind of "hard limit" but im not sure if this is sl itself, or the pa...
make a graph with hints
celest thorn
the client thinks the person is a spectator
Oh
so you randomly decided who is a spectator
random scaffold
the client thinks the person is a spectator
but why async event works normal?
harsh thorn
doesn't this make it obv?
no?
celest thorn
because in round start everyone should be spawned
harsh thorn
yeah but the clients dont receive that
harsh thorn
anyone out of range (30 units) will appear as spectator
that includes as soon as the game spawns everyone
random scaffold
ignore cedric 
harsh thorn
if the client doesn't know they are spectator whats even the point?
the point is that cheaters cant see the player roles accurately
because everyone out of their range shows up as spectator for them
celest thorn
because everyone out of their range shows up as spectator for them
So you are sending to the client a fake sync var
about their role?
harsh thorn
So you are sending to the client a fake sync var
yes
and if the raycast pos checker cant obtain a LOS on the player it will send them to 0 0 0 for the receiver
celest thorn
yeah but the clients dont receive that
.
harsh thorn
the PLAYER themselves will know what their role is
they wont know what OTHERS are unless they are close to them
harsh thorn
that isnt the tps part
thats the raycasting
albeit i need to test if it really is
or if its just sl not liking that many dummies
celest thorn
or if its just sl not liking that many dummies
honestly i thought about another idea to make wallhack annoying
celest thorn
i just wanna leave it annoying
slender lynx
or if its just sl not liking that many dummies
dummies actually lag the server more than players
test it out after 10
each dummy drops tps by 2
harsh thorn
im gonna run it without the raycast
and see if my tps also shits itself
because in my console you can see the avg of how much MS the method takes
for syncing the entire server
celest thorn
in most of the test we did on AM for maps and stuff that happend
always dummies lowering down tps
harsh thorn
each dummy drops tps by 2
in the vid it only looked like if they were alive
was that the case for you aswel?
slender lynx
in the vid it only looked like if they were alive
yeah
we were testing dummies for our pvp server
60tps until 10 dummies
at 11 its 58
12 is 56
etc
harsh thorn
ok yeah its not my patch
gaming
with 10 dummies and the sync stuff the tps stays at 60, drops to 59 for about 0.2s every 10-20s
i call that success
slender lynx
someone has to look into why dummes cause such an issue
slender lynx
before dummies the npcs didnt cause this kind of drops
unique crane
Its the server position distributor
slender lynx
it was only after dummies were officially implemented
celest thorn
im not sure whatit could even be
i think its just Relative Positioning
unique crane
: trollface:
upper vapor
at Cyn
harsh thorn
: trollface:
nah thats pretty fast
celest thorn
Its the server position distributor
I know that because i was tlaking with someone from bright and im planning to release a plugin for fixing that
harsh thorn
cuz thats what im patching and i have a benchmark on it printing evert 300 frames
unique crane
nah thats pretty fast
Well running the profiler for dedicated server...
harsh thorn
I know that because i was tlaking with someone from bright and im planning to re...
whats the issue with the positionsyncer btw
slender lynx
Its the server position distributor
that shouldnt cause as much tps drops as it does though
harsh thorn
cuz im patching that in cm
unique crane
ServerPositionDistributor was number 1
unique crane
Yeah
celest thorn
whats the issue with the positionsyncer btw
they are like player^2
harsh thorn
what did you expect
harsh thorn
it doesnt even hit a ms other than when its raycasting
unique crane
Whats this patch
upper vapor
well i mean thats nanoseconds were talking about
relative positioning does NOT take nanoseconds
harsh thorn
Whats this patch
FpcServerPositionDistributor.WriteAll
upper vapor
yes that one
upper vapor
it re-evaluates it for every player to every player instead of caching
harsh thorn
Not your patch
well yeah but im prefixing the entire method
unique crane
Hmm
harsh thorn
so it should be my stuff + game stuff
celest thorn
Here
harsh thorn
well how does it cache
upper vapor
create a dictionary
harsh thorn
cuz it has to eval the entire playerlist ^2 still
upper vapor
cuz it has to eval the entire playerlist ^2 still
it doesn't need to
players won't move between passes
that's the point of caching
harsh thorn
either the receivers position changes requiring you to check if the receiver moved
or the hub moved
so you need to check if the receivers cache is invalid
and if the player its going to receive is invalid
harsh thorn
im confused
upper vapor
static Dictionary<ReferenceHub, RelativePosition> Positions = [];
bool WriteAllPatch()
{
Positions.Clear();
foreach (var hub in allhubs)
{
var position = Positions.TryGetValue(out var existing) ? existing : hub.pos();
foreach (var receiver in allhubs)
{
// if visibilitycontroller hides then send 0,0,0 or something, otherwise the position
}
}
}
something like that
also update the dictionary
wait
no
you don't need the dictionary
just put the position variable outside the 2nd foreach
harsh thorn
ok so basically, you are saying to cache the syncinfo call
upper vapor
just the position
harsh thorn
it doesnt have a position though
this is the position, this object is sent to clients
unless you create your own
harsh thorn
you might break something with that now that i think about it, unless actually no you can just update the previouslysent one manually so the game doesnt implode
harsh thorn
im talking about FpcServerPositionDistributor.PreviouslySent
cuz getnewsyncdata adds what it retrieved
upper vapor
yeah that should not be touched
harsh thorn
but you can just write to it manually
because if you cache the syncdata
youre going to be skipping a bunch of calls
cuz first player will eval
and everything (in range) would be cached
then for the second player, all the in range players for 1 would already be cachedm so getnewsyncdata wouldnt be called for them
thus previouslysent isnt updated for them
hm i wonder, let me just spawn some of my old type dummies and see if it also fucks tps like dummies do
the answer is yes
wtf
harsh thorn
clear the dictionary in writeall
also, should probs just statically define the syncdata cache
to save allocing a new dict every frame
lol
upper vapor
slender lynx
lovely sl performance
me when the unity proccess throws errors
god we fucked this game so much
harsh thorn
hm, im confused what the relativeposition is actually used for there
because that isnt sent to clients at all
cuz thats in FpcSyncData and thats still done by FpcServerPositionDistributor.GetNewSyncData
oh you just patched both i see
lol
upper vapor
ye
harsh thorn
hm lemme pull something like that off
harsh thorn
imo you could save some more by caching the syncdata itself
cuz your still instantiating a bunch
celest thorn
Next update fix?
upper vapor
imo you could save some more by caching the syncdata itself
probably
harsh thorn
although
it wants the prevsync
im not sure what for
seems like to check if the position has changed
but that shouldnt matter if you make sure the prevsyncs are always in-sync and would work just fine
unique crane
It only serializes the data if they changed
harsh thorn
you can also do
so you dont make a new one each time
not sure how much overhead it is
i suppose a little cookery cant do harm
upper vapor
we'll see about that
harsh thorn
i dont work on the game unless i abaolutely have to
harsh thorn
this is for programmers or any bored labapi maintainers
upper vapor
david
celest thorn
this is for programmers or any bored labapi maintainers
or if you could show the code i could recreate a lovely transpiler and in a day everything should be out :3
i love making transpilers
celest thorn
cuz i cant change it then
no i mean
harsh thorn
and i basically lobotomize the entire method
harsh thorn
i suppose a little cookery cant do harm
litterally
hearty shard
omg david!!!
unique crane
eve!!!!
celest thorn
omg david!!!
Hiiiii :3
unique crane
haiii :3
celest thorn
haii
harsh thorn
god i need to make a bunch of cmd binds to control dummies with
hearty shard
harsh thorn
ok cool the random dips to 59tps also happen in the waiting for players menu, so its not from the patch either
gaming
slate flume
Even Cedric is fed up with this shit
restive turret
Lel
fair rain
Hey guys, new to this disc but anybody have tips for managing player Effects with LabAPI? I'm migrating an old plugin from Exiled to LabAPI and everything is much better, except for effects... seems difficult to enable/disable effects by name
grand flower
so 60 players are like = 120
60*60
Not 60*2
(even worse)
@harsh thorn caching relative positions in GetNewSyncData got us 4/7 tps back on 48 player servers
harsh thorn
<@448186467466870784> caching relative positions in GetNewSyncData got us 4/7 tp...
why not cache the fpcsyncdata itself though
grand flower
Hmmm I'll have to recheck but I'm pretty sure the rest isn't of much consequence
I just allocate the cache dictionary once with a capacity of 128
So we never reallocate that
harsh thorn
not sure how much impact a unbound dictionary would have vs a static size one tbh
grand flower
Round robin is also a nice boost but heavily dependent on the amount of resources you're giving to the machine
harsh thorn
my thought was doing this, so it only create the entire object once for every player
grand flower
i.e. 17 tps to 33 tps on a 100 player server if you're not starving it
harsh thorn
oh yeah and using a static one for invis
grand flower
Wasn't sure either but decided to just do it anyway, can't be worse
harsh thorn
with what i did so far i cant really tell any negative performance impacts
but dummies causing 20 tps when you have 70 of them makes it hard to tell
unsure why that happens
maybe because they are considered a local player or something
grand flower
Had 33 tps at 99 dummies so idk
harsh thorn
i had 20, with and without patches that could impact tps
but cpu does make a difference so
harsh thorn
i was testing on a 3600
grand flower
Fair enough
harsh thorn
im sure if i tested it on my 7950x itd hit higher aswel
but the point is to test on more common hardware as not every host has a cpu of that caliber
grand flower
Was mostly targeting optimizations @ 2 cores per server
Since it's what we use
Round robin does help a little but a lot less with those constraints
harsh thorn
i mean tecnically speaking sl is singlethread
but hyperthreading stretches it a little
grand flower
Compared to my 17 -> 33 tps increase on my end
Yeah
Tbf I did see a huge drop between giving it all my CPU and starving it at 2 cores
harsh thorn
Round robin does help a little but a lot less with those constraints
you mean like only processing X chunk of the players in 1 frame?
or what
grand flower
Odd players one frame, even players the next
harsh thorn
i guess that works
grand flower
Minimal gameplay impact
harsh thorn
i think the game might not even care if you just dont include players in the fpcsync buffer
grand flower
173 looks a tiny bit jittery but who cares, and players at hyper speeds teleport a little too
(but who cares)
Hitreg still works perfectly fine
harsh thorn
at most youd be skipping 1 frame
grand flower
It's enough to add a bit of jitter to 173 and players with > 150% movement speed
But nothing that kills gameplay
173 stops when you look as always
harsh thorn
well obviously youd me missing about 0.3f of velocity
may be a bit more than 0.3
but around that range
grand flower
It's just that it seems SL doesn't interpolate players over a certain distance
harsh thorn
the game tries to lerp so its not that noticable unless the gap becomes too obig
fair rain
Thanks for that, yeah I saw those methods, but the problem is I need a way to search for ANY active effects on the player. I see StatusEffectBase but can't find a list of classes that subclass that anywhere. Am I looking in the wrong place? Or is this base game code that I'm unfamiliar with
harsh thorn
i believe lerping is limited to a certain range
grand flower
Guessing that's clientside right?
harsh thorn
yeah
as otherwise it becomes weird
cuz people go fast slow fast slow when going out and in of lerp range
hearty shard
Thanks for that, yeah I saw those methods, but the problem is I need a way to se...
player.ActiveEffects
StatusEffectBase is all effects
well
grand flower
Yeah I've seen players lerp through an elevator door if you teleport them to you at the right time
Kek
hearty shard
its what every effect inherits from
Scp207 inherits ColaBase which inherits StatusEffectBase
fair rain
player.ActiveEffects
omfg im stupid
harsh thorn
Yeah I've seen players lerp through an elevator door if you teleport them to you...
i think the distance is like 2-4f or something
im debating whether or not to add some autistic system that will make my fpc movement patch detect if its impacting tps and disable itself
fair rain
its what every effect inherits from
exactly lol I was seeing all these methods with <T> where T is StatusEffectBase but I was looking for something that actually lists all of those classes. BUT i think ActiveEffects will work for now thank you! ❤️
harsh thorn
(its a patch thatl do some raycasts every X to fuck with wallhack users), i cant get any performance impact, but its hard to test because dummies fucking kill the server tps
but the method itself generally stays under the 1 ms from what i can see, occasion 3-7ms every few s
hearty shard
exactly lol I was seeing all these methods with <T> where T is StatusEffectBase ...
remember ActiveEffects are only for ones with intensity above 1 (aka enabled)
fair rain
remember ActiveEffects are only for ones with intensity above 1 (aka enabled)
wait ABOVE 1? I assumed 0 was "disabled", is 1 also disabled?
hearty shard
wait ABOVE 1? I assumed 0 was "disabled", is 1 also disabled?
1 is enabled
i meant above 0
my bad
fair rain
remember ActiveEffects are only for ones with intensity above 1 (aka enabled)
so just to confirm, there is no enum or other collection that defines types of Effects? I'm migrating some code that serializes Exiled...EffectType and I guess I need to store the name of the StatusEffectBase subclass or something
orrrrrr if those classes have an effectName field that is compatible with the screenshot you sent earlier then i guess i could try using that
hearty shard
so just to confirm, there is no enum or other collection that defines types of E...
StatusEffectBase::name
its the unity name
hearty shard
How can I spawn a schematic that I made with a plugin?
for PMER questions ask in PMER server
severe cave
https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1339593773788958852
There, they rarely answer
it takes days for them
fair rain
but yeah NW doesnt have enum for it
I think that makes sense here. Sometimes its kinda nice (like in Exiled you can apply an effect on a player with just the enum which is super easy), but other times it gets wayyy too excessive when EVERYTHING has an enum
hearty shard
it takes days for them
ObjectSpawner.TrySpawnSchematic
fair rain
How can I spawn a schematic that I made with a plugin?
also are you using ProjectMER or MapEditorReborn? MER is broken I think but ProjectMER was upgraded to use LabAPI
severe cave
also are you using ProjectMER or MapEditorReborn? MER is broken I think but Proj...
PMER
fair rain
bet than ya what EVE said
main zenith
i need help how can i get item as fiream and how can i edit attachment of this firearm and ammo in mag.?
unique crane
i need help how can i get item as fiream and how can i edit attachment of this f...
You can set the attachments code using
firearm.Base.ApplyAttachmentsCode(value, true);
For now
main zenith
You can set the attachments code using
firearm.Base.ApplyAttachmentsCode(value, ...
how can i get firearm from item?
hearty shard
how can i get firearm from item?
cast it
unique crane
And ammo is dependant on the type of the weapon, but generally it is
firearm.Base.TryGetModule(out IPrimaryAmmoContainerModule magazineModule)
magazineModule.AmmoStored = value
if check for the try get reccomended
main zenith
cast it
like that?
Item item = player.AddItem(ItemType.GunE11SR);
FirearmItem firearmItem = item as FirearmItem;
Yes
icy knoll
like that?
```cs
Item item = player.AddItem(ItemType.GunE11SR);
FirearmItem f...
couldnt you just do FirearmItem item = ... as FirearmItem rather than item as FirearmItem?
teal junco
does anyone know how to reverse engineer the CASSIE jam?
teal junco
couldnt you just do FirearmItem item = ... as FirearmItem rather than item as Fi...
they both work fine
teal junco
does anyone know how to reverse engineer the CASSIE `jam`?
Also, yield is defined in seconds, right?
main zenith
couldnt you just do FirearmItem item = ... as FirearmItem rather than item as Fi...
i could but i will use a lot of Item class too so i want to have them apart
upper vapor
does anyone know how to reverse engineer the CASSIE `jam`?
I think the first number 000 is where the jam starts (in ms maybe) and the last one after the underscore is the repeat amount
Fuck around and find out
teal junco
I know the syntax, Im just worried about recreating the effect 1:1
Also. Does anyone know how I could playback audio in Killer's AudioPlayerApi at a slowed down or sped up speed?
Hold on let me see something
slate flume
Is there a way I can get the default fuse time for a grenade?
When spawning a grenade, I need to specify fuse time in order to make it not explode instantly, but I can't seem to figure out where to do this
slate flume
I don't mean I need to change fuse time
I mean I need to figure out what it is by default
Because when you spawn one it defaults to -1 and instantly explodes
This is an open issue: https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/164
I'm just looking to circumvent it
hearty shard
TimedGrenadeProjectile.SpawnActive(player.Position, ItemType.GrenadeHE, player, 3);
3 is the fuse time
teal junco
You need to stretch the samples
How should I do that?
upper vapor
uh
math magic
:3
interpolation
2x or 0.5x speed is rather simple in theory
arbitrary speeds get complicated
slate flume
3 is the fuse time
Sick
teal junco
Samples are a byte[] right?
slate flume
That's all I needed haha thank you
teal junco
Samples are a byte[] right?
I think...
slate flume
Well unless there's a way to get the default fuse time so I don't have to worry about it if fuse time changes
upper vapor
Well unless there's a way to get the default fuse time so I don't have to worry ...
get the fuse time from the template
or the base
upper vapor
.Base._fuseTime
.
teal junco
decode the audio
and then somehow process it
hm do you think that theres a library which has a method to do that
upper vapor
never heard of this
basically if you can resample audio then you can tell the resampler that it's a different rate
harsh thorn
info and libraries for audio stuff like this are surprisingly rare
upper vapor
basically if you can resample audio then you can tell the resampler that it's a ...
so you set the out sample rate to 48000 and divide that by the speed to get the input sample rate
teal junco
Then I can take that audio and add it to the AudioClipStorage (using VorbisReader)
upper vapor
load it using the storage, get the data, process it and set the data back
or
modify the data
nvm
upper vapor
if you wanna read a file then use the storage to read it
i mean you already need NVorbis so you can read it yourself
random scaffold
bybygaga
main zenith
You can set the attachments code using
firearm.Base.ApplyAttachmentsCode(value, ...
sorry for trouble but "value" is type of uint is there any list what uint value mean what attachment it is(?) or how i can know what attachment i giving the gun?
unique crane
sorry for trouble but "value" is type of uint is there any list what uint value ...
It is basically a sum of values of the indexes of the active attachments
With each index being power of 2
so 0^2+1^2+2^2
Of the active attachments
I reccomend getting the attachments base game and then printing the current value
Via a plugin
upper vapor
use the forceatt command
main zenith
use the `forceatt` command
wdym?
upper vapor
to show what attachments you have on the gun in-game
main zenith
to show what attachments you have on the gun in-game
itsa ingame command or vs?
upper vapor
in-game
main zenith
use the `forceatt` command
THX SO MUCH
upper vapor
np
unique crane
Oh it shows you the current attachment combination
main zenith
Oh it shows you the current attachment combination
Yeah op thb
main zenith
And ammo is dependant on the type of the weapon, but generally it is
firearm.Bas...
magazineModule.AmmoStored isnt a read-only variable?
namespace InventorySystem.Items.Firearms.Modules;
public interface IAmmoContainerModule
{
int AmmoStored { get; }
int AmmoMax { get; }
int GetAmmoStoredForSerial(ushort serial);
}
Oh right
Get the implementation
MagazineModule
or
CylinderAmmoModule
(for revolver)
And then there is ServerSetInstanceAmmo(ushort serial, int amount)
@main zenith
main zenith
And then there is ServerSetInstanceAmmo(ushort serial, int amount)
ok this will be best for this thx so much
ServerSetInstanceAmmo(ushort serial, int amount) its can be called by NetworkServer or what?
unique crane
Wdym?
Its meant to be called on server
and then it syncs data to the client automatically
main zenith
Wdym?
like for example i have this code and how i can call the ServerSetInstanceAmmo?
public void AddCutomItem(CustomItemsData CustomItem,Player player,int amount)
{
Item itemplayer = player.AddItem(CustomItem.BasicItem);
FirearmItem firearmItem = itemplayer as FirearmItem;
Firearm gun = firearmItem.Base;
MothCustomItemsMain.Instance.CreateCustomWeapon(itemplayer.Serial, CustomItem.CustomItem);
ServerSetInstanceAmmo(itemplayer.Serial, amount);
}
gun.Base.TryGetModule(out MagazineModule magazineModule);
magazineModule.ServerSetInstanceAmmo(gun.Serial, yourAmmoAmount) ;
preferred safer way
main zenith
gun.Base.TryGetModule(out MagazineModule magazineModule);
magazineModule.ServerS...
ok im stupid sorry for trouble
unique crane
if(gun.Base.TryGetModule(out MagazineModule magazineModule))
{
magazineModule.ServerSetInstanceAmmo(gun.Serial, yourAmmoAmount);
}
There are firearms wrappers coming eventually
to make this easier
slate flume
get the fuse time from the template
I'm being dumb how should I get the template
restive turret
Why did you what
slate flume
itemBase.PickupDropModel is not TimeGrenade grenade returns true
restive turret
Why you need what
slate flume
Why you need what
What are you saying
restive turret
TimedGrenadeProjectile flash = (TimedGrenadeProjectile)TimedGrenadeProjectile.SpawnActive(player.Position, ItemType.GrenadeFlash, player);
flash.Base._fuseTime = 1;
upper vapor
`itemBase.PickupDropModel is not TimeGrenade grenade` returns true
you have the item instance, right?
they want the original fuse time
slate flume
^
restive turret
Oh
restive turret
Well check how the.SpawnActive does it and you can do that there
slate flume
SpawnActive doesn't set the proper fusetime
upper vapor
at this point just copy the spawning code from labapi
slate flume
Is what I'm saying
slate flume
at this point just copy the spawning code from labapi
If it worked 
restive turret
Wdym proper fusetime?
If you edit or patch the method it will not set the fusetime
slate flume
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/164
I'm just gonna patch SpawnActive to fix this
restive turret
Ye that's what I would do, or just copy paste to my own
upper vapor
if you use that method
you can just copy the code
without patching
slate flume
Yeah but
upper vapor
what Slejm said
restive turret
Well, only update we get this point is either 14.2 or 14.1.1 which i think will be months away
upper vapor
so you can just replace your SpawnActive call with the LabApi method when it gets fixed
slate flume
If I patch it it gives me an excuse to actually learn how to do transpiler BS
upper vapor
good luck
restive turret
Have fun
upper vapor
but what if they wanna fix it
and not just remove the fuse time setter
but check for -1
lot of nerding required
-# not bad
slate flume
It's really just:
Check for -1, skip instruction if true
Which means for IL you need to insert a label after the code and run a conditional jump before the code to the label if true
upper vapor
ye it's uh
pretty cool
i gotta use it sometime
leaving behind exiled-style patches:
wheat flower
https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-a-heist-with-markiplier-i-don%27t-wanna-be-fre...
heist with markiplier was peak
fair rain
Is this the right LabAPI-way to Spawn a new item (Pickup) at a given position?
Pickup pickup = myItem.DropItem();
pickup.Position = myVector3;
why r u dropping item
Do you already have an item?
Or r u creating it
for this
Cuz then Pickup.Create
tough ivy
skibidi
fair rain
Do you already have an item?
No im creating, awesome thank you ❤️
static meteor
You'll also need to spawn it for it to be visible
hearty shard
{
Pickup pickup = Pickup.Create(Type, position)!;
OnCustomItemCreated(pickup.Serial);
if (shouldSpawn)
pickup.Spawn();
Does SL use a custom interest management system for Mirror
or am I free to make my own
worthy rune
nope
i tried using it in the past from a plugin and it causes all sorts of problems
not to discourage you, it could of been entierly my fault
grand flower
what kind of problems are we talking
grand flower
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/171
kinda just wanna manually implement this for now
worthy rune
null character controllers
when one of them breaks, movement for most players breaks(they get stuck in place on the server)
grand flower
fun
I'll try not to touch players then
Even though it would've been cool for another plan I had with it heh
hearty shard
Does SL use a custom interest management system for Mirror
huh
grand flower
kinda surprised SL doesn't
this is the kind of stuff you'd use to stop networking players when they're invisible/in other zones or w/e
worthy rune
game isnt really made to work with it
grand flower
fair
worthy rune
since it would "disconnect" players outisde the range
not to say they could make it work, it just would require reworking alot of stuff
grand flower
fair enough
worthy rune
i could see it working well for pickups/ragdoll(maybe ?) tho
grand flower
just used to the 
way which does that by default, the default "interest management" solution is distance based
yeah perhaps
but don't pickups/ragdolls get culled anyway
or are they still costly to clients even when culled
worthy rune
not really
the culling from what i see is only visual, which doesnt impact fps that much since the gameobjects are still enabled
grand flower
so you're telling me there's another avenue I can explore to squeeze performance out of servers & clients too this time?
worthy rune
maybe, although not sure how much of an impact you can make from just plugins
grand flower
if I can stop networking of pickups and ragdolls that's already good in my books
did notice clients retained some hefty fps drops when we had a ton of them, even in different zones/culled
worthy rune
im pretty sure the networking for both of those is extremely low, any gains would probably be in fps
grand flower
yeah that's the goal
grand flower
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/171
well my primary goal is to be able to do this without sending an object destroy message to clients
but if I can get the latter done too, that's just gravy
worthy rune
yeah im reading that now, i dont think it will happen mostly because it would require the game to be reworked to use AOI
grand flower
would it though
can just go with the default outside of the admin toys
default seemingly being "just add to observers lol"
worthy rune
unsure myself, typically for this kind of thing you would just send your own spawn messages to the clients you wanted to see it. but i understand why that would be unoptimal due to the way mirror works
its been awhile but i dont think custom interest management is very performant on the server side
grand flower
should be fine as long as you're careful with the checks you do
worthy rune
i could be wrong by i think you need to rebuild all observers everytime something spawns, and that involved looping over every connection/network id combo
worthy rune
i could be wrong by i think you need to rebuild all observers everytime somethin...
you also had to trigger fulll rebuilds yourself to account for anything that moves, so a full rebuild every second if you wanted to be safe
grand flower
well that sucks