though firearms have primary ammo containers usually
#plugins-dev-chat
upper vapor
sweet flax
ok i'm just asking if this should be Base o GameObject or something diffrent
thanks man
grand flower
How does the Custom role type work
grand flower
bummer
restive turret
You have to remake sl basically from ground up to be that moddable on server side
grand flower
sadge
hearty shard
can you change the color of the tutorial playermodel
@unique crane when add
restive turret
In 19.7
grand flower
restive turret
slate flume
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/162
This would be dope af
@unique crane where at
unique crane
You know very well that I cant promise anything..
slate flume
You know very well that I cant promise anything..
unique crane
-loud buzzer-
grand flower
Is spawning primitives on a player verboten
restive turret
verboten
limber silo
it is not verboten at all
hearty shard
jesus ?!?!!?
limber silo
hey
hearty shard
hii
grand flower
I mean if I can't have custom models or colors I'll just fashion it myself 
unique crane
I mean if I can't have custom models or colors I'll just fashion it myself <:mmL...
Yeah saw someone do it
With that furry scp model...
grand flower
Lmao
unique crane
But it was like fully animated
grand flower
I just want some primitives serverside so players can know what flavour custom role it is
unique crane
Crazy
grand flower
Yeah that's insane
unique crane
What I would like to do is to finish labapi for the rest of the base game stuff
Wrappers and such
restive turret
But it was like fully animated
Fully detailed model
restive turret
Wrappers and such
Please make ability const non const 🙏 so can edit those and reflect to players
hearty shard
errrr
if you gamble you get to outheal 3 colas and 255% movement boost
errrr
that seems fair!
restive turret
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297695030097477664/1378850349258899516/S...
Mayhem/CT experience
hearty shard
Mayhem/CT experience
well the downside is
you might explode while doing it
you gotta get lucky
random scaffold
how i can give access or group to ra panel by plugin? If config doesn't have it
grand flower
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297695030097477664/1378850349258899516/S...
Kek
On Mayhem we limit it to 100%
There's a bug that lets you survive a normally deadly effect that gives you 255% though, but it requires luck
We decided to keep it, if you manage it you deserve it hah
hearty shard
On Mayhem we limit it to 100%
mines just modded not even mayhem 
grand flower
Fair
hearty shard
lucky coins...
its cuz of the change i made
cuz like
the speedster used to be temporary
but now if you get a different one that stacks AND is permanent....
then it overrides....
its funny tho
so i keep it
grand flower
I program super defensively on Mayhem now
Because if I let a bug go through the community's gonna beg to keep it if it gives an edge
rugged laurel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297695030097477664/1378850349258899516/S...
this hurts my head
hearty shard
this hurts my head
Make it a command on ct and give me access 
grand flower
50 QA testers for a 1 line change
QA does help hah
I'm just used to thinking about all the different edge cases from work
grand flower
I don't wanna break servers too much
slate flume
How did you go about setting userID? I got the ReferenceHub dummy and tried dummy.authManager.UserId = null; but had no luck
grand flower
How did you go about setting userID? I got the `ReferenceHub dummy` and tried `d...
literally that
and also set the instance mode
to like, dedi server iirc
Question do bans do something funky to the player like disconnecting them twice
Just banned a cheater and our dcreplace plugin triggered twice for them
kinda weird
nvm issue on our end
slate flume
and also set the instance mode
Interesting
I did uh
And it still showed in player list
grand flower
It does
hearty shard
Oh
grand flower
But you have to make your own init code
You can't use DummyUtils.Spawn
oh
and you need a patch
sorry forgot about that one
but the patch to work will require you make your own dummy spawning method
Basically you need to block PlayerAuthenticationManager.InstanceMode's setter
And refuse any value other than DedicatedServer for your "custom" dummies
@slate flume
slate flume
Oh okie
Okie dokie 🫡
I have an idea I want to implement but I want to know if it's stupid or not
My plan is: spawn a bunch of invisible dummies to pass voice messages through to make it so SCP prox chat works through the actual proximity chat channel
So I did this to the dummies
Will this still actually have the voice module follow the original player?
hearty shard
My plan is: spawn a bunch of invisible dummies to pass voice messages through to...
You can just use speaker toy
slate flume
You can just use speaker toy
I tried but speaker toy is quiet and makes it sound like the audio is going through like a radio
At least when I tried it
hearty shard
ah
to make the dummy invis btw
Id recommend setting their size as like
0
player.GameObject.transform.localScale or smth
hearty shard
This is why you get paid the big bucks
I wish
grand flower
My plan is: spawn a bunch of invisible dummies to pass voice messages through to...
FYI they'll appear in the spectator list anyway
not in the player list sure, but you'll need more work to make them disappear for spectators
slate flume
not in the player list sure, but you'll need more work to make them disappear fo...
UGH
grand flower
UGH
if you wanna show your support
would be sweet because the code you'll have to write for that is a little finnicky
slate flume
Sick
ionic prawn
Is there a template for commands, LabApi btw
fallen orchid
There's a Drone in this channel, and I can sense it...
Anyways, I'm going to make a coin flip plugin.
slate flume
I set localScale but they still somehow were killed
Maybe I just make invulnerable and hope for the best?
grand flower
Just make an event handler that denies any event against your dummies
slate flume
Just make an event handler that denies any event against your dummies
Okay so here's where I'm at
I need your expertise
This still creates a player on the player list but they're (null)
grand flower
Did you make the patch
ionic prawn
with the mapeditorreborn plugin how do i make it auto load a specific map : #1339593773788958852
slate flume
Realized I never @ ed you @grand flower
If you're able to take a look at this sometime tomorrow or something and tell me what I did wrong I'd be forever in your debt O Wise One
grand flower
Make sure to give them a nickname
Also
You still didnt set the instance mode
@slate flume
restive turret
carmine prawn
Is there a template for commands, LabApi btw
slate flume
You still didnt set the instance mode
I've been trying variations of both things you mentioned but I can't crack it
upper vapor
With that furry scp model...
Do you mean FNaF
grand flower
I've been trying variations of both things you mentioned but I can't crack it
Did you write the patch
upper vapor
Is there a template for commands, LabApi btw
celest thorn
There's an alternative to VerifiedPlayer?
because OnJoined is Before Authentication
worthy rune
OnJoined happens on authentication
glass karma
are player connections marked as reconnected in some way between round restarts? I'd like to know if a certain player or connection is from a previous round. I know I can keep track of them manually, but I'd like if there's a cleaner way built into labapi or the game itself
worthy rune
i dont think anything like that is built into the game itself let alone the lab api
unique crane
are player connections marked as reconnected in some way between round restarts?...
No, you have to track this yourself
glass karma
I see, thank you both
worthy rune
it is, its called at the end of PlayerAuthenticationManager.ProcessAuthenticationResponse
upper vapor
I need to happen after auth
Are you sending fake auth packets to the server 
restive turret
grand flower
You know your idea's gonna be good when you start using Desmos to balance things
like health over player count
hearty shard
Huh
carmine prawn
hearty shard
the i stamina thing theres a property in there you should not use
I think its SprintingDisabled
Or smth idk the name of it
This is the solution for that issue
carmine prawn
celest thorn
Are you sending fake auth packets to the server <:toomuchtrolling:97434588081779...
Im sending cat pictures to the server
so you are wrong
upper vapor
You need to auth the cat properly though
hexed girder
Im sending cat pictures to the server
celest thorn
https://tenor.com/view/cat-shark-blahaj-ikea-shark-gif-27032111
OH MY GOD CAN YOU STOP
hexed girder
AHAHAH
hexed girder
:3
carmine prawn
This is the solution for that issue
and, has base game any other interfaces that can make custom effects like IStaminaModifier?
hearty shard
and, has base game any other interfaces that can make custom effects like `IStam...
damage modifier
upper vapor
and, has base game any other interfaces that can make custom effects like `IStam...
Check the namespace
There are multiple modifiers
Like item usage speed modifier etc
carmine prawn
they seem to be in a lot of different namespace
upper vapor
Yeah
You could also look at the effect types
Since they are mostly in one namespace
And see what they implement
carmine prawn
I think its SprintingDisabled
yep, that would make the client bounce back
hearty shard
yep, that would make the client bounce back
Yea
disabling stamina on server = client still has stamina lol
upper vapor
disabling stamina on server = client still has stamina lol
SecretEngine when
grand flower
Can you send unicode glyphs to players with the hint system
soft turtle
How to enable sounds via SpeakerToy for only one player and not for all?
SpeakerToy speakerToy = SpeakerToy.Create(referenceHub.transform, true);
speakerToy.Play(soundSample, false);
you can set the ValidPlayers filter to only accept the player
hearty shard
hiii riptide
worthy rune
hi
soft turtle
you can set the ``ValidPlayers`` filter to only accept the player
Can I have an example?
worthy rune
toy.ValidPlayers = x => x.Base == hub
soft turtle
``toy.ValidPlayers = x => x.Base == hub``
Thx
soft turtle
``toy.ValidPlayers = x => x.Base == hub``
How to make sure that each player has their own SpeakerToy?
internal static IEnumerator<float> SearchScp(ReferenceHub referenceHub)
{
SpeakerToy speakerToy = SpeakerToy.Create(referenceHub.transform, true);
speakerToy.ValidPlayers = x => x.ReferenceHub == referenceHub;
For some reason, all SpeakerToys listen to only one ValidPlayers, which is why only one player out of all of them hears the sounds
worthy rune
have a look at controllerId, each controlerId is on its own "channel"
soft turtle
have a look at controllerId, each controlerId is on its own "channel"
Why is the controller id a byte? If I have more speaker toys on my server than 256?
worthy rune
nothing is stopping you from having more than 256 speakers? thats just the channel limit
soft turtle
nothing is stopping you from having more than 256 speakers? thats just the chann...
In this case, two or more SpeakerToys will play the same thing
worthy rune
yes
grand flower
What are you doing that requires playing 256 different sounds at once
upper pike
His goals are beyond our understanding
soft turtle
What are you doing that requires playing 256 different sounds at once
I brought back horror sounds and for this each player must have their own SpeakerToy
worthy rune
you can use a single speaker toy for that if your clever about it
upper vapor
Reuse speakers
Get one that isn't currently playing
If there's no such speaker, create a new one
hearty shard
And even then you dont have 256 players
what if i do?
unique crane
Then your server dies instantly
hearty shard
nah id win
unique crane
Okay fine Ill give you 50€ if do server with 256 real players and play a whole round
hearty shard
Okay fine Ill give you 50€ if do server with 256 **real** players and play a who...
oh...
icy knoll
Okay fine Ill give you 50€ if do server with 256 **real** players and play a who...
hold on lemme get 256 friends on my 9950x server
restive turret
hold on lemme get 256 friends on my 9950x server
You have 256 friends?
soft turtle
And even then you dont have 256 players
😈
random scaffold
hold on lemme get 256 friends on my 9950x server
clients become to crash
100 its over in scp sl for avg pc
or make validating ev.isAllowed= false;
icy knoll
You have *256* friends?
yeah for sure buddy
random scaffold
who have more?
upper pike
hold on lemme get 256 friends on my 9950x server
hold on lemme get 256 friends on my 9950x server
main zenith
i need a little help i'm making SCP-372 plugin and i need to set his Player info to normal after death from
SCP372player.CustomInfo = "SCP-372";
SCP372player.ReferenceHub.nicknameSync.Network_playerInfoToShow &= ~PlayerInfoArea.Role;
how can i do that?
unique crane
Register to on dying and set the CustomInfo to an empty string?
main zenith
Register to on dying and set the CustomInfo to an empty string?
i mean to normal string like name role and unit u know what i mean
unique crane
i mean to normal string like name role and unit u know what i mean
Oh, set the InfoArea to ~0 (all)
main zenith
nv i figured it out
unique crane
That is default value
main zenith
nv i figured it out
still thx for help
unique crane
Alright cool
hearty shard
hi david!!
unique crane
hi david!!
Haiiii
hearty shard
fix my code
unique crane
fix my code
Pay me
unique crane
No fix then
hearty shard
anyway i think i finally understand the issue
#rueistinks
hm
david
why does COM-15 here not have ammo
but A7 does
nvm it works now
💀
ok so it works if i dont need to role swap
if the SetRole is called then it doesnt work
@unique crane wtf do roles do that affect whether a weapon given has ammo
unique crane
With ItemAddReason.StartingItem?
hearty shard
yea
unique crane
Might be
hearty shard
it works when i give it without changing their player role before it
unique crane
let me see
hearty shard
but only the com15 here is breaking not the A7
unique crane
but only the com15 here is breaking not the A7
It is actually
MagazineModule & CylinderAmmoModule
hearty shard
heh?
unique crane
Yeah it like insta loads ammo from inventory to the magazine
slate flume
Did you write the patch
I did
hearty shard
Yeah it like insta loads ammo from inventory to the magazine
Oh
so i should give ammo
unique crane
Yes
unique crane
Remember to give it what you want + 1 mag
As it autofills it and removes it from the inventory
slate flume
@grand flower this is the patch I wrote
Setting the instance mode and giving them a nickname did nothing
Well giving them a nickname made that nickname show up in the player list
But it made no significant change from before
They still show up
All the patch did was remove the Dummy player tag
slate flume
Why is it so hard to just remove a Dummy from the player list 
slate flume
And refuse any value other than DedicatedServer for your "custom" dummies
I even tried doing the patch this way based off of this idea instead of always makes sure it was DedicatedServer
Didn't work 
upper vapor
the synced user id must be null
then you can set _privUserId back to "ID_Dummy"
-# in the authManager of the reference hub
slate flume
Yes?
unique crane
Spawn it and then set the synced stuff
slate flume
Gotcha
upper vapor
oh what i said was for RA
worn gull
How can I spawn a door where the buttons will display what permission is need to open it?
upper vapor
How can I spawn a door where the buttons will display what permission is need to...
not possible
upper vapor
what if you don't spawn the dummy
slate flume
what if you don't spawn the dummy <:toomuchtrolling:974345880817791016>
I need the dummy cause I'm using him as a proxy for audio
upper vapor
right
slate flume
Why do I always end up breaking shit lmao
upper vapor
Spawn it and then set the synced stuff
doesn't seem to work
unique crane
Uuuh let me check the condition for it to be added
upper vapor
i mean
do you need it to have a nickname?
no
@slate flume just don't give it a nick
unique crane
The mode should do it?
slate flume
<@434572461011501067> just don't give it a nick
Sure, I only did it cause Cyn told me to haha
upper vapor
Sure, I only did it cause Cyn told me to haha
if that doesn't work, try this #plugins-dev-chat message
teal junco
does audioplayerapi handle speaker controllerIds well?
slate flume
if that doesn't work, try this https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1...
I already have a patch setting instancemode to dedicatedserver
unique crane
Can you show me your code?
slate flume
Of course!
upper vapor
does audioplayerapi handle speaker controllerIds well?
wdym
slate flume
slate flume
<@434572461011501067> just don't give it a nick
unique crane
I aint patching expert but shouldnt you return false?
so it doesnt call the normal code
After
Since its prefix
slate flume
Uhm
I'll change it rq
See if that does it
I had it like that earlier but it wasn't working but maybe that with the other changes will do it
teal junco
wdym
Well I have a helper class that uses audioplayerapi but it seemed to cause issues with scp proximity chat (i think the controller ids conflicted). since audioplayerapi isnt framework specific i thought itd be okay to ask here. Its annoying because I dont have any direct control over it.
upper vapor
What you think
you'd need the method to execute for the field to be set
they're just changing the input value
i'm not sure if the condition passes though
upper vapor
Well I have a helper class that uses audioplayerapi but it seemed to cause issue...
idk how Killers' player works 😭
lemme look rq
upper vapor
upper vapor
https://github.com/icedchai/ColdWaterLibrary/blob/main/ColdWaterLibrary%2FFeatur...
maybe if you use pooled audio players it'll work
upper vapor
teal junco
maybe if you use pooled audio players it'll work
So I can use the pool to minimize issues with disposable sounds?
thats actually fire
upper vapor
yea
slate flume
It should just work
teal junco
i also just realized i dont know if i dispose the speakers correctly either...
upper vapor
cuz your dummies have no user id
upper vapor
right
slate flume
Maybe if I set that to null it'll fix 🤷
upper vapor
what if you set the instance mode to unverified
slate flume
Uhhh sure let's try it
hearty shard
what if you set the instance mode to unverified
iirc those show too
teal junco
So I can use the pool to minimize issues with disposable sounds?
Fuck this looks a right pain in the ass
thanks tho
hearty shard
@slate flume alr i can give u working code
teal junco
how about they make controller Id a 9 bit int instead
upper vapor
how about they make controller Id a 9 bit int instead
nuh uh
hearty shard
public static Npc Spawn(string nickname, RoleTypeId role)
{
GameObject gameObject = Object.Instantiate(NetworkManager.singleton.playerPrefab);
if (!gameObject.TryGetComponent(out ReferenceHub refHub))
throw new NullReferenceException("[Npc.Spawn] Could not find ReferenceHub");
// TODO: Remove npc from Player List (N)
try
{
refHub.authManager.UserId = null;
refHub.authManager.InstanceMode = ClientInstanceMode.Host;
refHub.nicknameSync.MyNick = nickname;
}
catch (Exception exception)
{
LabApi.Features.Console.Logger.Warn($"[Npc.Spawn] Failed to properly spawn:\n{exception}");
}
Timing.CallDelayed(0.1f, () =>
{
refHub.roleManager.ServerSetRole(role, RoleChangeReason.RemoteAdmin);
});
NetworkServer.AddPlayerForConnection(new DummyNetworkConnection(), gameObject);
return new Npc(refHub);
}
ignore the todo
upper vapor
host
hearty shard
i forgot to remove that
upper vapor
omg
hearty shard
oh and
hearty shard
nickname doesnt work
Pet = Npc.Spawn($"{Owner.DisplayName ?? Owner.Nickname}'s Pet", Owner.Role);
will always show (null)
💀
upper vapor
not an issue for them cuy it'll be invis
upper vapor
well crap
slate flume
```cs
public static Npc Spawn(string nickname, RoleTypeId role)
{
...
With this code should I still keep my patch for the InstanceMode setter?
slate flume
Okay sick
hearty shard
until it doesnt work but sh
slate flume
Uh oh
hearty shard
heh?
slate flume
When I set instance mode before connection it fucks me over
hearty shard
mines an error at
[2025-06-02 17:30:54.093 +02:00] [WARN] [EveLabs] [Npc.Spawn] Failed to properly spawn:
System.ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null.
Parameter name: key
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].FindEntry (TKey key) [0x00008] in <069d7b80a3914a08b6825aa362b07f5e>:0
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].TryGetValue (TKey key, TValue& value) [0x00000] in <069d7b80a3914a08b6825aa362b07f5e>:0
at PlayerRoles.Voice.VoiceChatReceivePrefs.GetFlagsForUser (ReferenceHub hub) [0x0000b] in <8db1ca0fe9a6484084cda320b139932c>:0
at PlayerRoles.Voice.VoiceModuleBase.SpawnObject () [0x0003f] in <8db1ca0fe9a6484084cda320b139932c>:0
at PlayerRoles.Voice.StandardVoiceModule.SpawnObject () [0x00000] in <8db1ca0fe9a6484084cda320b139932c>:0
at GameObjectPools.PoolObject.SetupPoolObject () [0x00012] in <50e7962387d5429a9799f24df7973b76>:0
at PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleManager.InitializeNewRole (PlayerRoles.RoleTypeId targetId, PlayerRoles.RoleChangeReason reason, PlayerRoles.RoleSpawnFlags spawnFlags, Mirror.NetworkReader data) [0x0006e] in <8db1ca0fe9a6484084cda320b139932c>:0
at PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleManager.get_CurrentRole () [0x00008] in <8db1ca0fe9a6484084cda320b139932c>:0
at PlayerRoles.PlayerRolesUtils.GetTeam (ReferenceHub hub) [0x00000] in
upper vapor
0.1s delay?
upper vapor
lol
upper vapor
oh cedmod is the one starting error
lmfao
hearty shard
namespace CedMod.Patches
{
[HarmonyPatch(typeof(PlayerAuthenticationManager), "InstanceMode", MethodType.Setter)]
public static class NpcInstanceModePatch
{
public static bool Prefix(PlayerAuthenticationManager __instance, ClientInstanceMode value)
{
if (AudioCommand.FakeConnectionsIds.ContainsValue(__instance._hub))
{
if (value != ClientInstanceMode.Unverified && value != ClientInstanceMode.Host && value != ClientInstanceMode.DedicatedServer)
return false;
}
return true;
}
}
}
at PlayerRoles.RoleAssign.RoleAssigner.CheckLateJoin (ReferenceHub hub, CentralAuth.ClientInstanceMode cim) [0x00007] in <8db1ca0fe9a6484084cda320b139932c>:0
at (wrapper delegate-invoke) System.Action`2[ReferenceHub,CentralAuth.ClientInstanceMode].invoke_void_T1_T2(ReferenceHub,CentralAuth.ClientInstanceMode)
at (wrapper dynamic-method) CentralAuth.PlayerAuthenticationManager.CentralAuth.PlayerAuthenticationManager.set_InstanceMode_Patch1(CentralAuth.PlayerAuthenticationManager,CentralAuth.ClientInstanceMode)
huh
slate flume
What the hell is going on
upper vapor
it's always cedmod
slate flume
Maybe I need to blank slate it
hearty shard
ok it happens regardless of cedmo
slate flume
Start from a fresh plugin, no dependencies
hearty shard
and my local server shows the npc...
slate flume
But I would prefer to avoid that
hearty shard
oh
at PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleManager.InitializeNewRole (PlayerRoles.RoleTypeId targetId, PlayerRoles.RoleChangeReason reason, PlayerRoles.RoleSpawnFlags spawnFlags, Mirror.NetworkReader data) [0x0006e] in <2343be033e9f4e37923f780ece756d8e>:0
it calls that
early
hmm
wait what
hmm
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at NicknameSync.SetNick (System.String nick) [0x00079] in <2343be033e9f4e37923f780ece756d8e>:0
wtf is null in there
@unique crane can u help :3
hearty shard
mines an error at
```
[2025-06-02 17:30:54.093 +02:00] [WARN] [EveLabs] [Npc.Sp...
this specifically
possibly connectionToClient is null here
icy knoll
```cs
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of ...
index 00079 in IL
hearty shard
GameObject gameObject = Object.Instantiate(NetworkManager.singleton.playerPrefab);
if (!gameObject.TryGetComponent(out ReferenceHub refHub))
throw new NullReferenceException("[Npc.Spawn] Could not find ReferenceHub");
NetworkServer.AddPlayerForConnection(new DummyNetworkConnection(), gameObject);
try
{
refHub.nicknameSync.MyNick = nickname;
refHub.authManager.UserId = null;
refHub.authManager.InstanceMode = ClientInstanceMode.Host;
}
catch (Exception exception)
{
LabApi.Features.Console.Logger.Warn($"[Npc.Spawn] Failed to properly spawn:\n{exception}");
}
Timing.CallDelayed(0.1f, () =>
{
refHub.roleManager.ServerSetRole(role, RoleChangeReason.RemoteAdmin);
if (position.HasValue)
refHub.TryOverridePosition(position.Value);
});
this works now
no error
but it does show in tab
slate flume
Motherfucker
Why does setting instancemode before network connection cause everything to break
And why is it the only way rn to get someone to disappear from the player list
slate flume
I patched it and it still breaks
hearty shard
idk the solution here
@harsh thorn sry for ping
whats the solution to hiding player from N
slate flume
It's inactive right now but when I implement this patch I get no more errors
hearty shard
or npc ig
slate flume
But it still kicks me from the game when the dummy is spawned
harsh thorn
whats the solution to hiding player from N
instancemode dedicatedserver
hearty shard
oh
harsh thorn
userid is null for me
well setting the userid also sets the instancemode
hearty shard
guh
harsh thorn
but if its set to null it might also work
slate flume
^
hearty shard
ill try with patch
unique crane
Youuuu might need to destroy the player on client and respawn him again
Looking by the code
(base game one)
hearty shard
Youuuu might need to destroy the player on client and respawn him again
works for cedmod apparently
without it idk
but i can try it?
NetworkServer.Respawn(refHub.networkIdentity);
would that do the job
unique crane
hearty shard
nope
slate flume
So uh no progress?
upper vapor
unique crane
Player list is dependant on the InstanceMode
unique crane
lets see..
hearty shard
Nope
hearty shard
i do that too but after 0.5s
hearty shard
i do it for my size code
unique crane
AHA
slate flume
SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT
unique crane
RaPlayerList::ReceiveData(CommandSender sender, string data)
unique crane
hearty shard
Oh
unique crane
Just patch it so it doesnt append the if the mode is Dummy
unique crane
Well it only updates when you change the sorting?
slate flume
OHHH
slate flume
This is exactly what was happening to me earlier
hearty shard
david why did u break it 💔
slate flume
Maybe you also need to set the _privUserId?
^?
hearty shard
i did
slate flume
It's interesting cause the thing that does it for me is NetworkServer.Respawn();
slate flume
Without it I get no fix
unique crane
But the issue there is on the client
slate flume
Oh I use no patch
unique crane
It spawns on client
slate flume
No patches
hearty shard
It spawns on client
yeah but
slate flume
Do no prevent setting
hearty shard
foreach (Player target in Player.GetAll(PlayerSearchFlags.AuthenticatedPlayers))
NetworkServer.SendSpawnMessage(player.ReferenceHub.networkIdentity, target.Connection);
Trust
unique crane
On client is just registers to on mode change
Adds it on the first mode change
And then ignores any mode changes
unique crane
It might change to ReadyClient on the client for a sec
before you receive the Dummy or Dedicated mode
slate flume
I removed my patches and did NetworkServer.Respawn() and it works
slate flume
WHAT
hearty shard
severe cave
Where does actionname enum is being used?
hearty shard
Where does actionname enum is being used?
slate flume
unique crane
ActionName is client side
hearty shard
no patch = dummy
severe cave
how do I use it
hearty shard
how do I use it
you dont
severe cave
like can you give me an example
hearty shard
its client sided
slate flume
Maybe it's the order I do it in?
hearty shard
use SSSS keybinds
slate flume
^
hearty shard
Maybe it's the order I do it in?
no difference
slate flume
There's this really cool thing called SecretAPI
FUCK
How tf
What happens if I wrap mine in a try-except
Also, how do I refresh the RaPlayerList?
slate flume
no difference
Remove the try-except block teehee
That's the problem
On god
On everything
unique crane
Also, how do I refresh the RaPlayerList?
Its command basically
unique crane
slate flume
Doesn't work
unique crane
console writeline
slate flume
Does
unique crane
throw;
slate flume
Uhhh okay
Fucking
Uh
What if I just spawn a dummy and then immediately destroy it to sync the RA list lmao
unique crane
Wouldnt be easier to just patch that out
to not send it when the mode is dummy or something?
Since you dont want that
(?)
slate flume
to not send it when the mode is dummy or something?
What if I have other dummies I want to handle in RA
slate flume
Fax
Lemme try this first lmao
If it works consider me a fuckin genius
No harmony required
hearty shard
trolled
slate flume
what the freak
hearty shard
oh hey...
unique crane
hearty shard
[2025-06-02 18:55:18.029 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] 2
[2025-06-02 18:55:18.045 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] Unverified
[2025-06-02 18:55:18.061 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] 2
[2025-06-02 18:55:18.076 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] Unverified
[2025-06-02 18:55:18.091 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] 2
[2025-06-02 18:55:18.106 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] DedicatedServer
[2025-06-02 18:55:18.122 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] Prevented setting to Dummy
[2025-06-02 18:55:18.138 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] Prevented setting to ReadyClient
oh
its setting it to Unverified
do you think thats the issue
unique crane
Might be
hearty shard
[2025-06-02 18:56:47.015 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] Prevented setting to Unverified
[2025-06-02 18:56:47.031 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] Prevented setting to Unverified
[2025-06-02 18:56:47.062 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] DedicatedServer
[2025-06-02 18:56:47.079 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] Prevented setting to Dummy
[2025-06-02 18:56:47.095 +02:00] [INFO] [EveLabs] Prevented setting to ReadyClient
so it only sets to dedicated
and yet
thats an issue
slate flume
So my fix didn't actually work?
unique crane
Yes I told you
First time it changes the mode it gets added
and then ignores any other change
random scaffold
eve moment
hearty shard
client HAS to be recieving smth different
yes
but then its a client sided thing
ill try smth
unique crane
Perhaps
hearty shard
nope
random scaffold
you can only change type
hearty shard
????
random scaffold
real player -> dedicated
hearty shard
logic what r u on about
slate flume
Dawg
hearty shard
@unique crane can you see where in client it might be receiving it
or
setting it client
slate flume
Why the fuck is it so complicated to remove a dummy from the player list
hearty shard
cuz clearly its not server controlled entirely
harsh thorn
also, should probably mention
cant remove a player from the list after its already been added (other than despawning)
slate flume
So cedric
random scaffold
cant remove a player from the list after its already been added (other than desp...
nw moment
slate flume
We set instancemode before we send NetworkConnection and it breaks everything but works
unique crane
OH
slate flume
We set instancemode after and it no work
unique crane
What do you set the UserId too?
slate flume
What do you set the UserId too?
Null
slate flume
you cannot set it before networking the player
So how do we network the player and change how they register
hearty shard
i also reject it if its not host or dedicated server
harsh thorn
So how do we network the player and change how they register
the dummy spawn flow is like this
spawn prefab
networkaddconnection
set userid to "ID_Dedicated"
should be it
hearty shard
harsh thorn
but i havent touched manually spawning dummies for a while
its ID_Dedicated
not ID_DEDICATED
hearty shard
i mean i copied before from the thing
unique crane
And if its not one of the predefined ones, it sets it to ReadyClient
hearty shard
yea but i tried that
unique crane
so what might have happened is
hearty shard
unique crane
Unverified -> ReadyClient -> Dedicated
slate flume
the dummy spawn flow is like this
spawn prefab
networkaddconnection
set userid ...
Doesn't work 🤷
hearty shard
hearty shard
you dont use delay on role set anymore?
harsh thorn
this is old
hearty shard
damn
harsh thorn
apparently so
it could be that the server tries changing it to readyclient because some weird shenanigan
i do have a harmonypatch that prevents InstanceMode from gotten for a dummy as ReadyClient
hearty shard
that errored for me
slate flume
^
harsh thorn
try catch it
slate flume
It fucked everything up
hearty shard
it could be that the server tries changing it to readyclient because some weird ...
i also have the patch
slate flume
Not the actual line
It broke everything else
.IsPlayer breaks
Other code stops function
slate flume
When I do it that way it causes so much shit that it kicks me from the server
hearty shard
thats when
NetworkServer.AddPlayerForConnection(new DummyNetworkConnection(), gameObject); is called after the user id sets
harsh thorn
if that isnt working idk, what i posted worked for me back in 14.0, i havent messed with dummies that need to be hidden since
(note the empty catch)
slate flume
whhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 😭
hearty shard
@unique crane ok so i think NetworkServer.AddPlayerForConnection(new DummyNetworkConnection(), gameObject); when client receives this it sets the instance mode
or SOMETHING
and it has to be before the serveer sets instance mode or errors happen
so im not sure how ur meant to go by that
slate flume
Why can't this be easy and nice
I did this and I get no errors in the console, but it still kicks me from the server
limber silo
what are you guys trying to do
slate flume
what are you guys trying to do
Hide a dummy from the player list
hearty shard
what are you guys trying to do
legit just hide npc from player list
slate flume
^
hearty shard
GameObject gameObject = Object.Instantiate(NetworkManager.singleton.playerPrefab);
if (!gameObject.TryGetComponent(out ReferenceHub refHub))
throw new InvalidOperationException("[Npc.Spawn] Could not find ReferenceHub");
NetworkServer.AddPlayerForConnection(new DummyNetworkConnection(), gameObject);
try
{
refHub.authManager.UserId = PlayerAuthenticationManager.DedicatedId;
refHub.authManager.SyncedUserId = PlayerAuthenticationManager.DedicatedId;
refHub.authManager.InstanceMode = ClientInstanceMode.DedicatedServer;
}
catch
{
// ignore
}
refHub.nicknameSync.MyNick = nickname;
NetworkServer.AddPlayerForConnection is probably the issue
cuz it has to be there before we do stuff
but im pretty sure client receives it with instance mode that server didnt set to
hearty shard
yea
hearty shard
can you just make it so server can set instance mode and sync without it doing this on client 💀
this doesnt work either
limber silo
try sending a fake syncvar changing the PlayerAuthenticationManager.SyncedUserId only in the player
hearty shard
try sending a fake syncvar changing the `PlayerAuthenticationManager.SyncedUserI...
client only takes the instance mode the first time its changed
apparently
so it wouldnt do anything would it
limber silo
let me see
hearty shard
limber silo
try sending a fake syncvar changing the `PlayerAuthenticationManager.SyncedUserI...
this should work, also I would set it to empty so it uses ClientInstanceMode.Unverified as DedicatedServer may break smt
hearty shard
this should work, also I would set it to empty so it uses `ClientInstanceMode.Un...
and unverified works fine?
i mean ced says dedicated works fine
hearty shard
try sending a fake syncvar changing the `PlayerAuthenticationManager.SyncedUserI...
wait what
how would this be different from just setting it
limber silo
actually unverified will break some other stuff
limber silo
well that also changes it on the server
limber silo
cuz i do set it
what's the issue with that
burnt hearth
limber silo
crashes or doesnt work
hearty shard
limber silo
public static ReferenceHub SpawnDummy(string nickname = "Dummy")
{
GameObject dummy = Object.Instantiate(NetworkManager.singleton.playerPrefab);
if (!dummy.TryGetComponent(out ReferenceHub hub))
return null;
// We set the nickname before adding the dummy to the network.
hub.nicknameSync.MyNick = nickname;
// Then we can spawn the dummy with a DummyNetworkConnection which will mark it as a dummy internally.
NetworkServer.AddPlayerForConnection(new DummyNetworkConnection(), dummy);
return hub;
}
try changing DummyNetworkConnection to a LocalConnectionToClient
and use that to spawn the dummy
this will automatically set the id to ID_Dedicated
so you can also skip manually setting that
hearty shard
something aint working cuz now theres no npc at all
oh
Player (unknown) (localhost) failed to authenticate: authentication timeout exceeded.
slate flume
```cs
public static ReferenceHub SpawnDummy(string nickname = "Dummy")
{...
Doing this kicked me from the server lmao
hearty shard
Doing this kicked me from the server lmao
err
slate flume
hearty shard
no crash here
limber silo
right it will request auth
slate flume
no crash here
Well yeah probably because you don't do this:
hearty shard
[2025-06-02 19:41:28.309 +02:00] [STDOUT] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[2025-06-02 19:41:28.310 +02:00] [STDOUT] at Mirror.LocalConnectionToClient.Send (System.ArraySegment`1[T] segment, System.Int32 channelId) [0x00021] in <d73d070e2abb49cd982556c9f692e950>:0
[2025-06-02 19:41:28.310 +02:00] [STDOUT] at Utils.Networking.NetworkUtils.SendToHubsConditionally[T] (T msg, System.Func`2[T,TResult] predicate, System.Int32 channelId) [0x00055] in <2343be033e9f4e37923f780ece756d8e>:0
[2025-06-02 19:41:28.311 +02:00] [STDOUT] at PlayerStatsSystem.SyncedStatBase.Update () [0x0003b] in <2343be033e9f4e37923f780ece756d8e>:0
[2025-06-02 19:41:28.311 +02:00] [STDOUT] at PlayerStatsSystem.PlayerStats.Update () [0x0000b] in <2343be033e9f4e37923f780ece756d8e>:0
oh....
slate flume
Why it do
limber silo
lets see, we can try doing a
/// <summary>
/// A dummy network connection that does nothing.
/// </summary>
public class TempDummyNetworkConnection : NetworkConnectionToClient
{
private const string DummyAddress = "127.0.0.1";
private static int _idGenerator = ushort.MaxValue;
/// <summary>
/// Creates a new instance of the <see cref="DummyNetworkConnection"/> class.
/// </summary>
public DummyNetworkConnection()
: base(_idGenerator--)
{
}
/// <inheritdoc />
public override string address { get; } = DummyAddress;
/// <inheritdoc />
public override void Send(ArraySegment<byte> segment, int channelId = Channels.Reliable) { }
/// <inheritdoc />
protected override void SendToTransport(ArraySegment<byte> segment, int channelId = Channels.Reliable) { }
}
try using that connection
but now you have to manually set the id do dedicated
slate flume
hearty shard
rename it to the proper one
slate flume
👍🏼
hearty shard
ohhhh
slate flume
WHAT THE FUCK
hearty shard
okay
hearty shard
@limber silo it works
slate flume
Holy fucking shit
limber silo
cool
hearty shard
slate flume
No fucking way
hearty shard
so yeah
slate flume
I'm gonna test this rn
hearty shard
its cuz the other was a dummy connection
so it set it to dummy type
and then told players "hey this is dummy"
hearty shard
😭
slate flume
Why would you check the connection broooooo
slate flume
<@430960270433845249> it works
Can I see le code 
limber silo
Why would you check the connection broooooo
it is smart and reliable
hearty shard
public static Npc Spawn(string nickname, RoleTypeId role, Vector3? position = null)
{
GameObject gameObject = Object.Instantiate(NetworkManager.singleton.playerPrefab);
if (!gameObject.TryGetComponent(out ReferenceHub refHub))
throw new InvalidOperationException("[Npc.Spawn] Could not find ReferenceHub");
try
{
refHub.authManager.UserId = PlayerAuthenticationManager.DedicatedId;
refHub.authManager.SyncedUserId = PlayerAuthenticationManager.DedicatedId;
refHub.authManager.InstanceMode = ClientInstanceMode.DedicatedServer;
}
catch
{
// ignore
}
NetworkServer.AddPlayerForConnection(new NpcNetworkConnection(), gameObject);
refHub.nicknameSync.MyNick = nickname;
Timing.CallDelayed(0.1f, () =>
{
refHub.roleManager.ServerSetRole(role, RoleChangeReason.RemoteAdmin);
if (position.HasValue)
refHub.TryOverridePosition(position.Value);
});
return new Npc(refHub);
}
They didn't check the connection last update
hearty shard
namespace EveLabs.Npcs
{
using System;
using Mirror;
/// <summary>
/// A dummy network connection that does nothing.
/// </summary>
public class NpcNetworkConnection : NetworkConnectionToClient
{
private const string DummyAddress = "127.0.0.1";
private static int _idGenerator = ushort.MaxValue;
/// <summary>
/// Initializes a new instance of the <see cref="NpcNetworkConnection"/> class.
/// </summary>
public NpcNetworkConnection()
: base(_idGenerator--)
{
}
/// <inheritdoc />
public override string address { get; } = DummyAddress;
/// <inheritdoc />
public override void Send(ArraySegment<byte> segment, int channelId = Channels.Reliable)
{
}
/// <inheritdoc />
public override void SendToTransport(ArraySegment<byte> segment, int channelId = Channels.Reliable)
{
}
}
}
but the auth system has some really old codebase part indeed
limber silo
They didn't check the connection last update
they did since dummies were added to the basegame
limber silo
this is why I was saying the fake syncvar would be better
otherwise the server wont think it is a dummy
slate flume
they did since dummies were added to the basegame
Cedric's code used DummyNetworkConnection and that worked in 14.0
limber silo
and wont show it on RA
slate flume
slate flume
Me when
limber silo
cuz i do set it
by the way
I think I see the issue
NetworkSyncedId
so it syncs to the client
limber silo
remove the files
limber silo
ReferenceHub dummy = SpawnDummy(....
dummy.authManager.NetworkSyncedUserId = PlayerAuthenticationManager.DedicatedId;
dummy.authManager.SyncedUserId = PlayerAuthenticationManager.DummyId;
that should e why it wasnt working for both of you before
try that instead
that should keep the dummy in RA but hide it from the list
@hearty shard try that instead
funny not using the Network variable moment
limber silo
when mirror compiles SyncVars they generate a property called Network__fieldName__ which is the one used to sync them
limber silo
add delay
slate flume
Delay between spawn and setting userID?
limber silo
ReferenceHub dummy = SpawnDummy(....
Timing.CallDelayed(1, () => {
dummy.authManager.NetworkSyncedUserId = PlayerAuthenticationManager.DedicatedId;
dummy.authManager.SyncedUserId = PlayerAuthenticationManager.DummyId;
}
Didn't work
hearty shard
it wont hide when its already set as a dummy once