plugins-dev-chat

[teal junco]

memorystreams can have bytes written to them, then the bytes can be added to a filestream where i can add that to the end of a file?

[grand flower]

bingo

[teal junco]

What do you mean?

[grand flower]

pre: spawn players that need spawning, setup things for that snapshot
update: move players
post: do stuff after executing the snapshot, like idk despawning something, player hp etc

[teal junco]

Oh okay

yeah, that makes sense

[grand flower]

good luck!

[teal junco]

Thanks

This is all very interesting, hopefully wont be a pain in the ass to figure out

[grand flower]

You'll definitely bump into edge cases or special setups for certain entities

but I don't see why it wouldn't be feasible

[teal junco]

I could create snapshot sets with record and playback functionality for each entity in SL right

I don't think I'll write this for LabAPI unfortunately because I'm more familiar with the Exiled wrappers and I don't want to dive too deep into unfamiliar territory.

[grand flower]

You'd probably write different snapshot handlers for different entity types

I'd write it "event" based

[teal junco]

Yea that

[grand flower]

Pre: SpawnPlayerEvent(Name: SomePlayer, Id: SomeId), Update: MoveEntity(Type: Player, Entity: SomeId, Eventdata), Post: UpdatePlayerData(Id: SomeId, Data: {HP: Value, Role: SomeRole})

SpawnItem etc etc

Basically create as many events as you'd need to be able to replay a round

[teal junco]

Is this an example for a spawn player snapshot?

[grand flower]

When I say snapshot I mean a capture of everything that happened between last captured frame and current captured frame

Easiest would be to capture at server tickrate

If between the last captured frame and current captured frame a door opened/closed, record that

record the new state of players (position, rotation, hp, role, etc)

record items spawning, despawning

so on and so on

[teal junco]

okay, I think I see, so the pre- in this case would be the player spawning if he didnt already exist, move entity being an update to transform if his data changed, and post being the player data changing

[grand flower]

yep

hmm technically "update" wouldn't exist in the snapshot data

it'd be the steps you would take when replaying a recording

I don't even think you'd need pre/post in that case. It'd be like "pre" to setup stuff needed for this frame (spawning/despawning) and then comparing the data from the previous captured snapshot to the current snapshot to determine changes/interpolate

[teal junco]

Okay, so an event would have the state of the relevant object saved, and when reading it runs the update code

[grand flower]

You'd look for the entities in the current snapshot inside the previous one, and if they exist you interpolate to the current state from the previous one

yeah

Events for entity spawning/despawning and the rest is just a dump of the recorded state of all entities

That'll probably work fine, you can despawn entities in the next capture snapshot's setup phase

you'll have to think up a clever way to detect stuff like shooting, throwing items, picking up etc

that's probably gonna be one of the hardest parts

[teal junco]

wdym by this, could you rephrase?

[grand flower]

Basically your list of changes are determined on a per-entity basis.
if an entity just got spawned this snapshot, skip them.
If they exist in the previous snapshot, you interpolate between the state of the previous one to the state of the new snapshot.
As such, you only need to record the state of the entities you wish to replay (position, rotation, hp, etc)

[teal junco]

My plan was to save the state of players, and then save any eventhandlers they trigger that tick, maybe find a way to detect the eventhandler last so i can see if nothing prevented it from running

[grand flower]

I wouldn't try to record event handlers

In the end those event handlers are just going to change entity states

Which you're already recording

[teal junco]

certain things I dont think can be saved as states, like firing a gun or using an item/interactible

[teal junco]

okay, so if player respawns on tick 1, then i dont record him until tick 2?

[grand flower]

You'll want to record them but you won't be able to interpolate

You'll spawn them, set their values

[teal junco]

yeah that makes sense

[grand flower]

Technically you can save that in the state

it's an event that happened in the snapshot

You could save their equipped gun, and the amount of bullets fired with that gun

Then when you interpolate you know how many shots to simulate

[teal junco]

I would use a postfix event handler for that right

like ShotEvent

[grand flower]

sounds about right

[teal junco]

and I can simulate gunshots by telling the dummy to pull the trigger on a gun theyre holding, is that right? I probably have to come up with a special protocol for playbacking certain events anyways

[grand flower]

Yep

You're gonna be recording the player's items in the snapshots anyway

So for guns you'll know how much ammo they have in the mag

You can set that, then simulate a shot when playing back

[teal junco]

and for safety I should give the players godmode so they dont accidentally kill each other slightly earlier or later than theyre suoposed to right

[grand flower]

I would make an abstract SnapshotHandler<T> class, and you make specializations for every type of entity you want to record. Could have a RecordData method, PlaybackData(Snapshot previous, Snapshot current)

[grand flower]

Smart idea yeah

Then you can just simulate damage by changing their HP since it'll change in the next snapshot anyway

[teal junco]

Ah yeah I was about to ask if it should be abstract

[grand flower]

you definitely should

Will make maintaining and adding more supported entities a lot easier

[teal junco]

So I would have like a PlayerSnapshotHandler : SnapshotHandler ?

[grand flower]

probably something like PlayerSnapshotHandler : SnapshotHandler<Player>

bonus with this is you can make your replay plugin support other plugins

if you make it public

They just have to implement their own handlers

[teal junco]

yeah i wanted to add a system to support other snapshots

[grand flower]

ay, makes it easy that way

[teal junco]

Should I compartmentalize snapshots, so have a different one for players base stats like hp, transform, role, and another one for item states within that player and etc

[grand flower]

That'll be up to you to find out haha

I can't think that far ahead

[teal junco]

You have been a big help already

I have done a total of zero projects of this kind of scale

[grand flower]

Oh I just remembered, it's not a bad idea it's just very low level and the work to do that from a plugin would be kinda huge.
However: it is how Unreal Engine's replay system works. It captures net events and replays them IIRC.

[teal junco]

Thats essentially fully lying to the client

[worthy rune]

yeah it would require patching to work, last time i thought about it, my initial goal was to make it work well with other plugins

[teal junco]

it would be nice as hell but also hard to make and maintain

[grand flower]

on Unreal though you just download the recording and replay it locally

You don't have a server sending you as the data as a client

You're just replaying what the server did

[worthy rune]

matinance should be better i would hope as new stuff should "just work"

obv recordings would break between updates

[grand flower]

You can definitely write your own binary format to handle updates

It's a lot of work ofc but Unreal has versioned saves for stuff like that

You'll need to like, save the version of the replay within it and "port" the data to the latest format before replaying it

[worthy rune]

i dont think mirror is so forgiving, if theres new data required in a packet it expects it, or the client soft locks immediately

[grand flower]

oh right yeah if you go the net packet route

I meant the simpler state capturing on the server

[worthy rune]

ahh

[grand flower]

i don't think Unreal handles that either for its demo net driver

[teal junco]

I thought I could use NPC motor and mouselook but it might desync

I wonder if players being constantly teleported would be able to play walking animations and footsteps

[grand flower]

I'd just interpolate towards the captured position/rotation

dunno about sounds though

[worthy rune]

sounds like footsteps are produced client side from player movement so should work without any extra code

[teal junco]

think i can interpolate by using the dummy manipulator funcs

[grand flower]

nvm Unreal does support different versions with its demo net driver

[teal junco]

yeah, thats handled client

[grand flower]

it just records the version of the recording and sets it when (de)serializing data

just gotta make sure you handle that in your game code if you have custom serialization

smart

[upper vapor]

This one is interesting, what if you just write the network messages into the binary stream along with timestamps?
I think the biggest concern would be netIDs but other than that it sounds simple in theory

[restive turret]

You probably need to write the correct type too

So you know what to deser

[upper vapor]

I mean if you sniff the outgoing packets then you'd know exactly what type of message it is

[grand flower]

It would work but it'd be a lot more work than just capturing entity states into snapshots directly and replaying them, because you're doing it from a plugin not with low level access

It's how Unreal does it and it has a custom net driver class (handles processing packets) just for it, directly in the engine

[upper vapor]

Not sure but it might be more work to set up the custom types to capture snapshots, you'd have to take care of roles' stuff, too
Replaying "raw" network messages would cover everything

[grand flower]

Depends on how knowledgeable you are on that kind of thing

If you don't know how the net side works you'll probably spend more time trying to understand and learn it

compared to the other approach which is a little simpler to wrap your head around

[restive turret]

Eh, really depends on the person who writing it

[upper vapor]

Let's make both implementations and see how many things do we break

[restive turret]

Million

[upper vapor]

Labillion

[restive turret]

Grenade calculation would be that

[upper vapor]

Uh oh

[grand flower]

If you managed to replay the net packets deterministically and properly, yeah you'll probably end up with a better result

But the other solution is probably going to look fine too with some tinkering

[upper vapor]

And it's certainly less error-prone if implemented right

The snapshot and replay one

[grand flower]

The downside is that it'd be hard to replay demos of other versions with the net stuff

[upper vapor]

True

[restive turret]

Ye no shit

[grand flower]

It's feasible but like, from a plugin ehhhhhhh

[restive turret]

In r6s it is exact same

[grand flower]

you'll bash your head in

it's the simpler option

Unreal supports it but only if you handle it in your game and well, nobody does that

[restive turret]

You can't really upgrade or downgrade demos

[grand flower]

You can but it's assuming you don't remove stuff from the game

and well, don't change behaviour either

which atp yeah nah

[restive turret]

If you rewrite fully some things will

[grand flower]

dunno why Unreal supports it tbh

I can't think of any game that implemented demos w/ versioning support

all of them just tell you to eat dirt if you want to watch a replay from an older version

[upper vapor]

Challenge: write custom network message serializers and deserializers with versioning and make deserialization backwards-compatible

[restive turret]

You can just ultimately write a version in header or smth and show error when try to replay

[restive turret]

Hell nah

[grand flower]

doesn't matter if you support different versions of net messages

the issue is if the functions those net messages call changed between versions, you'll end up with different results

best case scenario your players are now stuck walking in walls or something, or not doing the actions they should be doing

worst case scenario you just crash

[restive turret]

That's why nobody doing it really

[grand flower]

oh, reminds me

@teal junco you'll need to save the seed of the map in your replay data

[upper vapor]

ViaVersion but for SL

[grand flower]

since you'll want the exact same map

[restive turret]

Ofc

Would be funny going tru walls

[grand flower]

You probably wouldnt

Assuming the dummy colliders will stop you from doing that

Idk

Would be funny though

[upper vapor]

Not if you give them noclip

[restive turret]

Well have fun with either of those options

best of luck or smth

[worthy rune]

would be the least of your problems if the seed is incorrect due to the relative positioning system people will just teleport between random rooms when they walk between them

[upper vapor]

Lmao

[grand flower]

Relative positioning system?

[upper vapor]

Hold up

[upper vapor]

https://youtu.be/XADYO51sUwU

[grand flower]

I'm in bed cant turn on the sound, can you give me a tldr?

I'll watch it fully tomorrow tho ty

Okay I think I got the gist of it

Now the real question: why though

Like why is it relative to a room and not just world coordinates

[static osprey]

did you get to check it out?

[worthy rune]

main reason was to support elevators as elevators do move away and into position, second was the data reduction uses 7 bytes instead of 12 if you use a Vector3 instead

the reason for moving elevators i think was to make effects where you can see players through wall work with them i.e. you dont just see the players disapear when the elevator teleports them

[grand flower]

I'd get having based movement for elevators but don't really get why the bandwidth reduction was needed that bad for the rest

[unique crane]

OnPlayerBanning and Banned, right?

[worthy rune]

bandwidth was a nice side effect i think and wasnt the main reason

[static osprey]

ermm what the sigma

[upper vapor]

Relative positioning uses less than 60% bandwidth compared to floats

[static osprey]

im not being stupid am i? im not getting any of that

https://cdn.itsgamertime.xyz/pictures2/xwWyFo.png

[upper vapor]

So it's a significant improvement for larger servers

[static osprey]

im banning myself to test

[grand flower]

I don't think it would matter tbh considering the game and the player counts you target

[unique crane]

Did you register the event handler?

[upper vapor]

It also includes pickups

[static osprey]

yeah, playerleft and playerjoin works fine

[grand flower]

Unreal uses double precision floats for everything nowadays and it's not that bad bandwidth wise. Could just strip down the precision if required heh

I think SL's biggest issue is just processing for large player counts

Dies pretty fast

[worthy rune]

true

[upper vapor]

That's sort of what relative positioning does
3*float -> 3*short+byte

[upper vapor]

Players falling out of the map moment

[grand flower]

Oh yeah it'd do that but ehhhh in all honesty does seem like it adds a lot of complexity for rather small benefits/results

Could just do parent-based relative movement in some scenarios, like elevators (p much the only scenario in SL)

[unique crane]

And who did you test it on

[upper vapor]

new RelativePosition(original).Position

Easy touse

[worthy rune]

is this in offline mode?

[grand flower]

Hey if it's all done and working nowadays that's cool, mostly meant when it was originally thought of and implemented heh

[upper vapor]

Moving platforms when

[grand flower]

Kinda wish the spawn waves had intros

Would be cool

[unique crane]

Pro tip: get the PumpActionModule and set NumberOfBarrels to 16

[worthy rune]

yeah setting the parent and sending local positions could of worked too

[upper vapor]

Wdym

[grand flower]

Idk why moving platforms made me think of that

Being able to see yourself in the MTF heli

[static osprey]

me

[grand flower]

Or driving as CI

[static osprey]

nop

[upper vapor]

The nanoseconds penalties caused by unity transform.SetParent calls (more efficient than TransformPoint every frame)

[grand flower]

It's how does it and atp Epic should pay me to be a shill . If you're on a moving base it just networks the base and relative position to it.

[upper vapor]

Ohhh

That would be cool indeed

I guess you could use the ensnared effect and 0 gravity and position overrides

[grand flower]

Doubt it'd look good at all unless NW did it themselves

[white matrix]

Tyty I'll look into it

[static osprey]

@worthy rune@unique crane it works on other people, thanks though

[unique crane]

Thats truly interesting

[upper vapor]

yeah it's not very smooth but i got it to work for CI
EPILEPSY WARNING

[restive turret]

Lmao

[hearty shard]

release it

[upper vapor]

i wanna get ntf working too, for some reason the offset is improperly set on the server (or i'm using the wrong transform)

[soft depot]

just think, if CI car and NTF helicopter were NI's, you could parent players to them

[upper vapor]

if only

[icy knoll]

does anyone know how to reset someone's snake game score to 0?

i know you can send data for snake over, i just dont know about how to do it and how to reset the score

just to tip off those people who just camp spawn 😭

[upper vapor]

Use the reset message type I guess

[white matrix]

In the new beta, does Specialist spawn with an E11 now?

did they change that or am I tripping and is a plugin changing this

[hearty shard]

always been like that

Specialist and Sergeant are the same really

Specialist is just given when you escape thats the only difference

i think ?

[upper pike]

Yea only difference . Just an escaped scientist

If only there was a plugin that gave specialists extra loot as a reward for escaping

[hearty shard]

nuh uh

fuck specialist

remove it!!!

[upper pike]

But they have a cooler role colour

[white matrix]

oh fr? I thought vector spawns were specialists not privates; for some reason my dumbass thought privates didn't spawn naturally anymore

anyways

[brazen dune]

@unique crane if there would be another round of events add microhid & jailbird ones

[upper pike]

Yea detained Class-D escape as privates but privates also spawn naturally

[white matrix]

Any way to get the client-logs? I'm trying to find the cause of a friend's crash

[restive turret]

log,bat

[upper vapor]

There's a batch file in the game's directory that'll show you the logs

What slejm said

[white matrix]

because their game keeps crashing after verifying

[fresh zenith]

Are you trying to send them an hint while they are joining the Server?

[white matrix]

Don't think so

[static osprey]

how would one set door state?

[hearty shard]

door.IsOpen = true

= false

i believe

or smth

idk what labapi has it as

[static osprey]

Hmmmmm

[static osprey]

ok, i was using this before but since its in onplayerinteractingdoor it doesnt do the animation so i didnt notice it

kek

[celest verge]

you can also trigger it with doorevents using the door's network target state

though door.IsOpen is easier to use

[teal junco]

let players VC in this state and it will be peak

Can I begin a LabAPI project by just referencing everything in the Server dlls?

[unique crane]

Yeah

All you need it the LabAPI dll and Assembly-Csharp

[brazen dune]

what who does switch on a boolean

[hearty shard]

could be decompiler

unless thats not decompiled

[terse bone]

snake players hate this simple trick

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(ChaosKeycardItem), nameof(ChaosKeycardItem.ServerSendMessage))]
internal static class SnakePatch
{
    private static void Postfix(ChaosKeycardItem __instance, SnakeNetworkMessage msg)
    {
        if (!PluginEntryPoint.Instance.Config.EnableSnakeExplosion)
            return;

        if (!msg.Flags.HasFlag(SnakeNetworkMessage.SyncFlags.HasNewFood))
            return;

        if (!ChaosKeycardItem.SnakeSessions.TryGetValue(__instance.ItemSerial, out SnakeEngine engine))
            return;

        if (engine.Score < 20)
            return;

        if (UnityEngine.Random.Range(0, 10) is not 0)
            return;

        Player player = Player.Get(__instance.Owner);

        player.RemoveItem(__instance);
        ExplosionUtils.ServerExplode(__instance.Owner, ExplosionType.PinkCandy);

        Logger.Info($"Player {player.LogName} exploded. Reason: played SNAKE too much");
    }
}

[true cedar]

why the hell is this using a switch lmfao

DoorAction action = door.TargetState ? doorAction.Open : DoorAction.Closed;
DoorEvents.TriggerAction(door, action, ply);

[hearty shard]

U made it thats why

[grand flower]

ServerEventType.PlayerDamage is now PlayerHurting right

or PlayerHurt?

[restive turret]

I don't know about labapi only custom roles, exiled has those.
And I also did make a custom items.
Logger.Debug has a second parameter as a bool, I use something like
Main.Instance.Config.Debug to can change to print or not

[teal junco]


ÿÿÿÿ
 ADemoSystem, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null
!DemoSystem.Snapshots.TestSnapshot
<Name>k__BackingField
  Firstnm Lastnm
@grand flower does this look like a proper serialized?

[grand flower]

no clue

never looked at serialized data

[teal junco]

Damn

[upper vapor]

I'll just mute them

Otherwise it would be

Let's say, a bit unpleasant for the ears

[teal junco]

At least the mtf will get a good warning

[upper vapor]

True

[upper vapor]

that looks like binary although i don't know your schema obviously
if you haven't yet, make sure to write the version into the file first

[unique crane]

Any firearm-specific events yall would like to see?

[upper vapor]

how about an ADS toggle event

no cancellation ofc

[worthy rune]

isnt that already a thing?

[upper vapor]

oh

[unique crane]

Brainstorming time

[upper vapor]

i didn't think of "aiming" lol

[restive turret]

jailbring swong? jailbirdcharged?

or with -ing too

i guess

[unique crane]

My limitation is cancelling events which are triggered client-side no matter what

such as firing

[restive turret]

maybe MicroHidChangeing state

[upper vapor]

inserting/removing magazine? kinda niche
it probably wouldn't be cancelable

[unique crane]

Ax

[upper vapor]

whar

[upper vapor]

[unique crane]

Reloading, Unloading

[restive turret]

sadge? idk

[upper vapor]

why didn't i think of searching for that word

then

cocking weapon event

desync? probably

[restive turret]

well, only thing I would appriciate is Jailbird Damage hander parse the "IsCharged" can yo do that?

[hearty shard]

no!

[upper vapor]

ToggledParticleDisruptorFiringState
also 127-related events maybe

[unique crane]

Hmmm

[upper vapor]

would 127 events be their own category?
like

• Scp127ReactingToSpawnWave
• Scp127SayingHello
• Scp127SayingGoodbye
• Scp127LosingFriend
  why did i name the last one that 😭

[unique crane]

He is sad when you die

[unique crane]

I think its all gonna be 1 event Scp127Playing/ed voiceline

Each one has unique identifier enum for translations so you can tell which one it is

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-agreed-rock-sus-agreed-gif-23818297

maybe Scp127LevelingUp

[icy knoll]

yeah i imagine people would want that

[restive turret]

also events for MicroHID and Jailbird

[pallid shell]

ehm, i need help

what do I have to click?

[restive turret]

there is no nuget

use one that shipped with the game

[pallid shell]

what do I have to use

[restive turret]

from the dedicated server files

[pallid shell]

yeah but what file

what .dll

there are a lot of them

[restive turret]

LabApi.dll ?

[pallid shell]

oh

thanks

[restive turret]

and probably Assembly-CSharp. dll too

[hearty shard]

@unique crane hi buddyyyy

im here to complain

jk i want RAUtils.ProcessPlayerIdOrNamesList

[unique crane]

Haiiii

[hearty shard]

whats the actual source for that

mines broken

idk what changed in 14.1 in it for it to break

[unique crane]

public static List<ReferenceHub> ProcessPlayerIdOrNamesList(ArraySegment<string> args, int startindex, out string[] newargs, bool keepEmptyEntries = false)
{
    try
    {
        string argString = FormatArguments(args, startindex);
        List<ReferenceHub> players = ListPool<ReferenceHub>.Shared.Rent();

        /*
         * If the list starts with an "@" we will be looking for a list of player names rather than ID's
         * Tab autocomplete will format names like: @Thomasjosif or @"Thomas josif"
        */
        if (argString.StartsWith('@'))
        {
            Regex rg = new Regex(PlayerNameRegex);

            MatchCollection mc = rg.Matches(argString);

            foreach (Match match in mc)
            {
                // We need to remove the player from the arraysegment because if it contains spaces it ends up screwing up the segmentation
                argString = ReplaceFirst(argString, match.Value, "");

                // Remove our formatting
                string name = match.Value.Substring(1).Replace("\"", "").Replace(".", "");

                List<ReferenceHub> found = ReferenceHub.AllHubs.Where(ply => ply.nicknameSync.MyNick.Equals(name)).ToList();
                if (found.Count == 1 && !players.Contains(found[0]))
                    players.Add(found[0]);
            }

            newargs = argString.Split(' ', (keepEmptyEntries ? StringSplitOptions.None : StringSplitOptions.RemoveEmptyEntries));
            return players;
        }

        if (args.At(startindex).Length > 0)
        {
            // If the list of players to set nickname for is a set of ID's (i.e.: 1.2.3)
            if (char.IsDigit(args.At(startindex)[0]))
            {
                //Regular playerID processing. See the Misc.ProcessRaPlayersList util.
                string[] sar = args.At(startindex).Split('.');

                // Go through all strings in the split arguments above
                foreach (string s in sar)
                {
                    if (!int.TryParse(s, out int i) || !ReferenceHub.TryGetHub(i, out ReferenceHub hub))
                        continue;

                    if (!players.Contains(hub))
                        players.Add(hub);
                }
                    
            }

            // If the list of players to set nickname for is a set of names (i.e.: SoNearSonar.Beryl.Masonic)
            else if (char.IsLetter(args.At(startindex)[0]))
            {
                string[] sar = args.At(startindex).Split('.');

                foreach (string s in sar)
                {
                    foreach (ReferenceHub hub in ReferenceHub.AllHubs)
                    {
                        if (!hub.nicknameSync.MyNick.Equals(s))
                            continue;

                        if (!players.Contains(hub))
                            players.Add(hub);
                    }
                }
            }
        }

        newargs = args.Count > 1 ? FormatArguments(args, startindex + 1).Split(' ', keepEmptyEntries ? StringSplitOptions.None : StringSplitOptions.RemoveEmptyEntries) : null;
        return players;
    }
    catch (Exception e)
    {
        Debug.LogException(e);
        newargs = null;
        return null;
    }
}

[hearty shard]

than youuuu

[unique crane]

Wait

Why does it create new regex each player process

😭

[hearty shard]

oh yeah

that truly is special

me when

also

just realized ur code makes it so you cant have both player num + a player name

like 2.david.eve.5.6

wont work

only 2, 5, 6 will be processed

[unique crane]

Not that big of a deal

[hearty shard]

yeah just thought it was interesting

[restive turret]

Make a pr eve

[hearty shard]

i cannot pr to basegame

[unique crane]

[restive turret]

You can write the stuff and send it to david

[hearty shard]

good point h

[unique crane]

If you make something better, just DM it to me.. ill make PR and take the money

[hearty shard]

however

[unique crane]

[restive turret]

[hearty shard]

yeah

see

david doesnt deserve money

so we kill him

put him on a stake

[unique crane]

[restive turret]

A rare or very done steak?

[hearty shard]

something aint right here...

[unique crane]

Make the lambdas static

(micro nano optimalization)

[teal junco]

Is there an event for cycling a round? Like pumping a shotgun?

[hearty shard]

smh

is there an easy way to get the local offset of a room ur in ?

[upper vapor]

transform.InverseTransformPoint

[hearty shard]

yeah but

is there anything ingame currently

for it

otherwise i gotta make command 💔

[upper vapor]

Right uh

Yeah you gotta make a command

[hearty shard]

💔

@unique crane add to basegame ly

thankss

[unique crane]

Cant you just player.position - room.position?

[hearty shard]

idk

but still

[unique crane]

That gives you vector with offset from room and the player

[hearty shard]

basegame should have a nice way of it

@upper vapor am i stupid

this should be fine right

[upper vapor]

Yup

[hearty shard]

coolll

[upper vapor]

You can save some nanoseconds by putting player.Room into a local variable

[hearty shard]

nuh uh

so it should work

oh this doesnt spawn the item does it..

[worthy rune]

currenty you need to network spawn it yourself, this will probably change in future updates tho

[hearty shard]

yeah .Spawn()

it should have a bool spawn parameter

[worthy rune]

yeah

[hearty shard]

pls add

but yeah

that looks like the issue all along

[unique crane]

Hmm.. Ill see if that can be easily implemented

[grand flower]

Unable to test so resorting to asking here: does damage applied by cardiac arrest have 049 as the attacker if it was the one to touch you and give it to you

[hearty shard]

honestly

i wish 106 did that

when dying in pocket dimension

[grand flower]

Is it the case for 049 then or nah

Would be nice if it was

[terse bone]

it should have

[upper vapor]

The PocketCorroding effect has an AtrackerHub property

[upper vapor]

Use the _attacker field of the effect

[terse bone]

Wasn't it Corroding that had it?

[upper vapor]

Um

Maybe

Idk lemme check

[hearty shard]

does the one where you die to the exits?

[upper vapor]

Yeah you're right

[hearty shard]

im 99% sure it doesnt

[upper vapor]

It didn't

Doesn't

[hearty shard]

yep

so

thats what i want

[upper vapor]

David go implement

[hearty shard]

also when you leave pd to know the 106 that sent them in

cuz like

solves all my problems

[grand flower]

awesome ty

[grand flower]

Scp173AddedObserverEventArgs: is Player 173 or is it Target?

(kinda wish this was a little more documented)

[unique crane]

That is not enough?

Oh wait we dont ship the xml docs yet

@grand flower

[grand flower]

Ahhhh yeah that'll do it haha

ty

[grand flower]

Is there any player event for when they shoot an obstacle? Other than OnPlayerPlacedBulletHole. That event does have the position but not the damage info of the shot.

[icy knoll]

there wont be any damage on anything that aint a player/npc

[grand flower]

I know, but I still want to get the potential damage that would've been inflicted with the weapon

I suppose I could get the player's current weapon and use OnPlayerPlacedBulletHole though

[icy knoll]

there is Shooting event

that may give dmg

[grand flower]

it does but no position

[icy knoll]

shooting doesnt give damage

[grand flower]

oh

[icy knoll]

position of what?

[grand flower]

of the hit

hmmm

[icy knoll]

then idk, there is 2 events that I know of, PlacedBulletHole and Hurt

make sure you check if Hurt is from a gun

[grand flower]

Firearm._modules would have the hitreg module right

[icy knoll]

idk

[grand flower]

guess we'll see

in theory it should work but that'll be fun to find out

[teal junco]

What happens if you parent a player to another NI

?

[grand flower]

Probably bad things

They'll likely rubberband like crazy

[teal junco]

youre probably not a network identity on your own machine so yeah

[crimson nova]

Why I cannot reload while having different size?

[grand flower]

Is 096's head detection clientside or serverside

[teal junco]

server side im 99% sure

i have a salt clip of myself looking down, and 096s face goes where i was looking 0.1 seconds ago and he aggros on me

maybe its also both,

[grand flower]

yeah that explains it, a little disappointing if so

[teal junco]

so the client catches whatever the server doesnt

[teal junco]

why?

[grand flower]

the false positives are annoying

[teal junco]

Oh yeah

but i guess its like

an anti cheat measure

SL already bans for any form of game modification so i dont see that its necessary

and they already made tesla gates client side to avoid this exact problem

and tesla gates are way more common than 096

[grand flower]

ehhhh

you don't have to make it fully clientside, just with a margin of error

cause rn any amount of server lag or ping from 096 or you and you'll end up "looking at it" without seeing it on your screen

if they gave you a grace margin where until the server disagrees on the fact you haven't seen 096 X times in a short period it forces it

would be a lot more enjoyable for players

[teal junco]

so for like

0.5 seconds

if the client insists it doesnr see 096 face, server lets it slide

[grand flower]

that or it could just accumulate error until it goes over a threshold

slowly reduce the accumulated error over time so for normal players it works fine

cheaters who don't tell the server they've seen 096 would have it be forced fast enough

[teal junco]

each tick the client disagrees with the server it adds a point?

and every tick they agree it deducts a point?

[grand flower]

each tick the server thinks the player saw 096's face without receiving the client's acknowledgement

I would make it deduct points slower than gaining them

bit of trial and error and they'd probably end up with thresholds that most players like

I get why it's not clientside/fully clientside but ouch

[teal junco]

and the client can say it saw 096 face without the server agreeing?

well actually that might open up problems too

[grand flower]

of players cheating to trigger 096

[teal junco]

096 remote enragement hacks

[grand flower]

yeah

can have the threshold go both ways, with some sanity checks

LOS, etc

that "hack" would be simpler to prevent

[teal junco]

when youre playing 096 and a CI who just spawned triggers you

[grand flower]

and again they have an AC so w/e on that part

[teal junco]

what is LOS?

[grand flower]

line of sight

[teal junco]

oh

[grand flower]

if the client tells the server they've seen 096 they can just do sanity checks to make sure it was possible

that's not as much of a problem as the server doing false positives, player enjoyment wise

[teal junco]

so if theres like no good ray between 096 and player then it wont work

[teal junco]

yeah with stuff that kills you false positives is 100% better

negativez*

[grand flower]

and like, a player shooting 096 triggers it anyway so not like 096 would feel much of an issue that way

I don't think 096 would see the difference if something like this was implemented

Mostly players getting less false positives

[teal junco]

when i played him i never say "omg that guy shouldve triggered me"

the interaction is a lot more intimate on the victims side than 096s side

[grand flower]

yeah, cause generally you assume they're looking down or away or something

yup

[teal junco]

it should favor the human

a little

[grand flower]

the threshold stuff would very likely help with that

[teal junco]

obviously in a perfect world we have instant transmission and theres 0ms ping

[grand flower]

dunno if I can suggest that somewhere

yeah but multiplayer's never perfect

unless you're doing a LAN party and even then

[teal junco]

just build a backlog of these suggestions somewhere and pay 5 bucks for a month of tier 2

and then send a bunch peridoically to get feedback and get staff to read it

this implementatjon is probably a bit hard but its worth a shot asking nw to add it

[mild ice]

We have a channel here for patreon supporters, or you can make a post on the Steam foums / Subreddit for free

!forums

[regal lake]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/700330/discussions/10/

[grand flower]

Ehhh I don't wanna make a public post, if the devs see the idea here they're free to use it

[teal junco]

networking seems really hard to me

i dont understand how people can understand that shit

[grand flower]

made it my field for games, love it

it is complex but ever so satisfying when things end up working

[teal junco]

if i wanted to ever work with netcode whats a good place to start learning it

[grand flower]

https://gafferongames.com/

[grand flower]

Can you block a player from aiming a weapon?

there's no OnPlayerAimingWeapon that I can see

right, clientside

i feel like that was possible in the past but eh

[upper pike]

Maybe try looking into the firearm modules

I think they cover aimining

[grand flower]

Mostly wondering why that's a nono when stuff like OnPlayerReloadingWeapon exists. Unless that's not predicted?

[grand flower]

LinearAdsModule but it all seems readonly

[upper pike]

Damn

Might not be possible then. Maybe try checking the docs

[upper vapor]

you can't cancel ads, that's client-side behavior
imagine having to wait 240ms for the server to approve your toggle request

[grand flower]

Doesn't mean you can't predict it and get told off by the server

[upper vapor]

that would also be weird for players

i guess they could add a sync var or some other way to stop a specific firearm from adsing

[grand flower]

I found some sync data so I'm just tapping into that

will find out if it works later

But "it looks weird" is a little silly imo

It'll look weirder for players with high latency which, i'll be honest, I'm not trying to make it look good for them. You play on a server with high latency, expect some breakage

For low latency, maybe a little but in my scenario they'll understand why they can't aim anyway

If the previous API had it, they already had that weirdness anyway

[restive turret]

See? It has but not in current version

[grand flower]

oh

okay that explains things

I forget it's not complete

scratch everything i've said then, i'll just put a todo

[upper vapor]

what if you send the ads rpc to the owner of the firearm

probably won't work but maybe it's worth a try

[grand flower]

I don't think I have access to it

Seems like they use SyncData for ADS not an RPC, so that's what I tinkered with in the meantime

OnPlayerAimingWeapon probably ends up doing the same thing anyway

LinearAdsModule.AdsData.AdsTarget

[upper vapor]

try the OnAdsChanged method

[restive turret]

Event

[upper vapor]

that's not implemented yet

use Aimed

[grand flower]

I know

It's what I did in the meantime

[upper vapor]

right

[restive turret]

Left

[upper pike]

Would being able to directly change weapon stats like damage and fire rate be implemented in the future?

[restive turret]

FR is not synced.
About dmg? Idk

Would be cool ye

[grand flower]

Damage you can already do serverside with OnPlayerHurting

[restive turret]

I think you can also current the ammo type but not entirely sure if works

[upper pike]

What about penetration?
Also how would i account for things like burn damage and damage resistance

[upper vapor]

you can change penetration
it's in the base stats i believe

[restive turret]

Burn dmg is inside the module

It's a field so you can edit it with publicized one

[upper pike]

I thought it was protected

[upper vapor]

nothing's protected if you publicize

[upper pike]

... ngl i forgot publicising was a thing

[upper pike]

Won't let me publicise Assembly-CSharp

Its the one file that doesn't want to work

[upper vapor]

use BepinEx.AssemblyPublicizer from NuGet

[upper pike]

Wait got it working somehow

Hell did i do?

[crimson nova]

Is there a way to fix weapon reload as differently scaled player?

[upper vapor]

you'll have to wait for NW to fix it unfortunately
alternatively, don't scale the player

[brazen dune]

one of the static fields in your EventsHandler class throws NRE

[marsh minnow]

How can I install LabAPI dependecy?

[worthy rune]

In you server files under \SCPSL_Data\Managed you should see the LabAPI dll

you should also reference Assembly-CSharp.dll while your there

[marsh minnow]

Yeah I know but how to setup Visual Studio

[worthy rune]

under the solution explorer tab right click dependencies and click add project reference

[marsh minnow]

There are no dependecies

Only refernces and Properties

[worthy rune]

hmm, can you show a screen shot

[marsh minnow]

Just a photo screenshots don't work for some reason

[worthy rune]

right click this

when you reference a dll you are creating a dependency if that what you were wondering

[marsh minnow]

It shows
Add refernce
Add Service Refernce
Add Analyzer
Manage NuGet Package
Collapse All Dependencies
Scope to This
New Solution Explorer view

[marsh minnow]

So it should work?

[worthy rune]

yeah

although you should really add assembly C# too

Assembly-CSharp.dll

[marsh minnow]

Where can I find that?

[worthy rune]

same folder as LabAPI.dll

[marsh minnow]

It says that plugin could not be found

i added Assembly Csharp.dll but it is still there

[restive turret]

because it is LabApi.Loader.Features.Plugins

[marsh minnow]

For some reason i cannot define RequiredApiVersion

[icy knoll]

what does the error say? also what happened to screenshots

[marsh minnow]

Feature target type object creation IS not avalaible in C# 7.3. Please use language version 9.0 or greater

[upper vapor]

for this you need to modify your .csproj file to include <LangVersion>12</LangVersion> in a property group
you can use any C# version basically, as long as you have the SDK installed

[marsh minnow]

Where Can i find csproj file?

[icy knoll]

in your project

[restive turret]

Cant find the meme for the screenshot button

[upper pike]

Looking for it as well

[worthy rune]

my new keyboard doesnt have a print screen button

[upper vapor]

😢

at least you have win+shift+s

[worthy rune]

i have to do fn + f7 to activate it

[hearty shard]

ive never used print screen button

[upper vapor]

[hearty shard]

im gonna be honest

😭

[upper vapor]

so you don't have things to screenshot

must be an easy life

[hearty shard]

you just said

the other way to screenshot

[worthy rune]

oh just tried it out and it does the exact same thing xD

[upper vapor]

i know

[worthy rune]

hate it for how slow it is, even if you get to choose the area you want

[upper vapor]

windows moment

[upper vapor]

turns out you just don't send the spawn message to the server

use Player.ReadyList instead of Player.List

[hearty shard]

yes

[worthy rune]

i thought that was scaling related, weird

[hearty shard]

erm

so when you send a spawn msg to dedicated server

it fucks it all server sided

[upper vapor]

regardless of use case if you respawn the player object then 💥

what eve said

[hearty shard]

its how i fixed my skeleton being invisible

[restive turret]

Skill issue

[worthy rune]

yeah trouble told me about it

[restive turret]

(did the same)

[crimson nova]

thanks

[worthy rune]

i dont think ready list is good for that anyway, when theres a Player.AuthenticatedList option you should use that instead

[hearty shard]

wahhhh

[worthy rune]

yeah i kind forgor

[upper vapor]

that's not in the current build

we have unauthenticated list

[worthy rune]

should hopefully make it into the next build

also hopefully IEnumerable<Player> GetAll(bool includePlayers = true, bool? isPlayerReady = true, bool includeNpcs = true, bool? isNpcDummy = true, bool includeHost = false) will be there too

[upper vapor]

me when discord shows the sob emoji when i search for steamhappy

[marsh minnow]

In what folder

[worthy rune]

should be the folder of your project

or the solution if you specified it too in the setup

[restive turret]

Why nullable if you specify default true

[worthy rune]

by default it returns Player.ReadyList

[restive turret]

I meant as bool?

[hearty shard]

yeah whys it nullable

[worthy rune]

/// <summary>
/// Gets a filtered set of players from the <see cref="List"/>.
/// </summary>
/// <param name="includePlayers">Whether to include real players, see <see cref="IsPlayer"/>.</param>
/// <param name="isPlayerReady">
/// Whether to filter real players by their authentication status, see <see cref="IsReady"/>.
/// Use <see langword="null"/> to get both unauthenticated and authenticated players.
/// </param>
/// <param name="includeNpcs">Whether to include non playable characters (NPCs), see <see cref="IsNpc"/>.</param>
/// <param name="isNpcDummy">
/// Whether to filter non playable characters (NPCs) by whether they are a <see cref="IsDummy"/> or not.
/// Use <see langword="null"/> to get both dummy NPCs and non dummy NPCs.
/// </param>
/// <param name="includeHost">Whether to include the host player or not, see <see cref="IsHost"/>.</param>
/// <returns>The set of all players that meet the criteria.</returns>
/// <remarks>
/// By default it returns the same set of players as <see cref="ReadyList"/>.
/// <para>
/// Filtering is done on 3 groups of players separately.
/// If a player meets the criteria for 1 of the 3 groups it is included in the list.
/// The 3 groups are <paramref name="includePlayers"/>, <paramref name="includeNpcs"/>, and <paramref name="includeHost"/>.
/// Further filtering per group is specified by <paramref name="isPlayerReady"/> and <paramref name="isNpcDummy"/> respectively.
/// If <see langword="null"/> the filter is not applied, thus includes all players for that group.
/// </para>
/// </remarks>
public static IEnumerable<Player> GetAll(bool includePlayers = true, bool? isPlayerReady = true, bool includeNpcs = true, bool? isNpcDummy = true, bool includeHost = false)

{
    foreach(var player in List)
    {
        if ((includePlayers && player.IsPlayer && (!isPlayerReady.HasValue || isPlayerReady == player.IsReady)) ||
            (includeNpcs && player.IsNpc && (!isNpcDummy.HasValue || isNpcDummy == player.IsDummy)) ||
            (includeHost && player.IsHost))
            yield return player;
    }
}

[upper vapor]

null would be no filter

[hearty shard]

holy yap

[upper vapor]

or skip check

[restive turret]

Ah now i get it why

[hearty shard]

var 💔

[worthy rune]

oh lmao, i actually better change that they dont like it when im using var

[restive turret]

There is no var here

Nvm

[hearty shard]

ur blind

[hearty shard]

i dont either!!!

[restive turret]

Ye i don't have glasses on

[restive turret]

I do when the type is like 10+ character long

The compiler already knows what type will be there

[upper vapor]

.editorconfig?

[worthy rune]

i dont think its being used

[upper vapor]

bruh

vs should be yelling at you!!1!1!1!1!!!

[unique crane]

Only valid reason to use var is when you are working with linq's IOrderedEnumerable with 5 billiion generic params, groupings and whatever you make up

in my opinion

[marsh minnow]

So it now works

[true cedar]

holy bad design

[worthy rune]

something wrong, its not merged yet so i can still make changes

[true cedar]

yea

the existence of that method

rather than have a "do everything" player list method just have people use linq

[terse bone]

Well, in my opinion Player.List is a beginner trap rn, cause' it does not contain players only
Better approach would be to return only real players, no dummies, no host and have separate properties for that
Then Player.List would be truly a List of Players

Like all the way from MP2 i had to have this defined (Of course it was constantly changing, it went through Exiled, NW API and now it's on LabAPI)

[worthy rune]

Is this what you were looking for https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/blob/3e4c654e2c7b356b9a4b9d9b0e7bc851fff1c527/LabApi/Features/Wrappers/Players/Player.cs#L67

[terse bone]

well, this one has dummies in it

[worthy rune]

true, im going to add a Player.AuthenticatedList which is prety much just ready players

prefect for sending network messages too

[terse bone]

some things didn't work with them so i always ignored them in code

[worthy rune]

yeah thats good you did that

[terse bone]

awesome

[worthy rune]

I agree about the using linq methods over the "do everything" one and i expect experienced devs to do their own filtering when needed. The GetAll method is mostly targeted towards new devs as a nice catch all case that doesnt hide the nuances of getting all the players. This is why i decided to keep Player.List containing all the players including the host otherwise it would have to be made for a specific use case e.g. only real players or real players and dummies. The downside being that new devs are unlikely to understand that there are certain groups of players that must be treated differently. The consequences of which are pretty bad, usualy soft locking players and crashing servers. So Player.List remains as the option for experienced devs to do their own filtering and Player.GetAll() is a good option for beginners.

imo one of the main issues atm is that no one has docs so none of this is apparent, hopefully the situation improves once a nuget package has been made

[lucid oxide]

What's possible usecase of processing host equally with real players?

[worthy rune]

what im trying to say is that i didnt want to hide very important details in the API by providing some "catch all" use case which is technically impossible todo. What mattered was new devs understanding that they shouldnt just be using a single set of players blindly.

[worthy rune]

we could remove host, and players would be able to use Player.List without issues about 90% of the time, the issue now is that the list contains unauthenticates players and NPCs, which usually causes players to become softlocked if interacted with incorrectly. i want to avoid this essentially as i remember it being one of the main issues plugin devs ran into, and an especially hard one for a new dev to figure out

[lucid oxide]

From my experience touching dedicated server instance was only in some very specific circumstances, and Server.Host worked fine

[worthy rune]

thats true

[lucid oxide]

Why even include unauthed players?

[terse bone]

Will there be an event that allows modification of round end conditions?

[worthy rune]

i think theres an event like that already

[unique crane]

RoundEnding

Set the IsAllowed

[terse bone]

Isn't it only fired when round's about to end?

[unique crane]

Yes?

[worthy rune]

yeah it might be by the looks

[unique crane]

When else would you expect it to run?

If you set it to false, it wont end

And try again in 2,5 seconds

OH

I get it..

[terse bone]

Writing while in a bus is kinda hard

[unique crane]

Let me see its implementation

[worthy rune]

I think what you are looking for is Player.ReadyList or Player.AuthenticatedList

[terse bone]

I just want to have some players excluded from round end conditions

Because i need to use an scp role for players as it allows them to see in the dark

But they interfere with those conditions and you can't easly (without making custom coroutine) modify them

[unique crane]

Alright its executed when the round is about to end yea..

Well

[worthy rune]

definitely make a github issue about it so we dont forget

[unique crane]

You wil have to do that as of right now and force end it, sorry. But yea make a git issue request

[unique crane]

Something I would like to definitively look into in future

Like NV status effect

[terse bone]

Okay, will do later

[teal junco]

cant you patch the scp target getter at least

[terse bone]

Just please don't blind players when the lights are on (or just have a synced boolean for that)

[teal junco]

a fix i had for NV was spawning a light only one player could see and parenting it to the player

[terse bone]

I think zombies are counted differently

But i can't look at code rn

[terse bone]

Yeah, i tried that and it kind of was flickering for me (maybe i didn't set the smoothing)

[teal junco]

qeird it didnt flicker for me

one seocnd

well actually mine is an exiled and barely works so

[worthy rune]

if the light is parented, smoothing doesnt do anything unless you move the light relative to the player its parented too

[teal junco]

if youre interested in seeing here is the commit right before it got deleted
https://github.com/icedchai/omni-plugins-pub/commit/3acb471cf97e1fba2ef05a3e3cbddbe4f013e12b

wait how do i hide embed

[upper vapor]

surround it with <> or click the small x

[teal junco]

thank you

i dont like posting links and then it makes a huge image in the convo

it feels like an interuption

[icy knoll]

you can click the x next to the embed to clear it for everyone

top right

[teal junco]

i dont have such an X on mobile so the <> works fine

If you had to implement client side parent rpc in such a way that armature bones were supported how would you do it. Short of making the bones NIs.

[marsh minnow]

Hello so I have two questions. First how can I make script execute at start of round and how to get player location.

[static osprey]

onroundstart and player.transform.position

[worthy rune]

i recomend reading this https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/wiki

[static osprey]

embed success

[marsh minnow]

yeah but how can I know which using LabAPI.something to use?

[lucid oxide]

Yeah, I switched all List in the project to ReadyList with IsPlayer check. AuthenticatedList 👀

Could you please check this one: https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1366986892414816287

[unique crane]

Player.Position

[unique crane]

You mean namespace? Your IDE should help you with that

[marsh minnow]

It doesn't work for some reason

Also how can I use Unity?

[worthy rune]

wdym

[teal junco]

You can use Unity features by referencing the assembly but imnot sure thats what you want.

and u cant use the editor you have to interact with the scene thru code

[terse bone]

By flickering i meant that the light didn't update in real time

[teal junco]

uh

weird

[terse bone]

Yeah.. that makes sense

[teal junco]

i want you to look at my code. Its under Omni-CustomItems/Equipment/Goggles/NightVision or something. it shows how you can just do light.trans.parent = player.transform

wait did i maybe modify the light source

fuck one second

https://github.com/icedchai/omni-plugins-pub/blob/3acb471cf97e1fba2ef05a3e3cbddbe4f013e12b/Omni-Customitems%2FItems%2FEquipment%2FNightGoggles.cs#L74

Yeah it miggt have to do with smoothing or some shit

[terse bone]

Oh, i parented to a player using that new method

[teal junco]

what new method

[worthy rune]

oh the RPC?

[terse bone]

Yep

[teal junco]

the rpc triggers no matter how you parent right

this plugin is for 14.0 and it still triggers the rpc

[worthy rune]

yeah that doesnt work as you would expect, what you want todo is parent it directly instead

[teal junco]

yeah

https://github.com/icedchai/omni-plugins-pub/blob/3acb471cf97e1fba2ef05a3e3cbddbe4f013e12b/Omni-Customitems%2FPlayerExtensions.cs#L17 ull also want sm like this

if you wanna hide shit from everyone else

[true cedar]

yea but the problem is that

as you said

new devs probably won't know what all of this means

so it's just gonna be extremely confusing

secondly, new devs aren't gonna understand how to properly use the method. you're not supposed to do Player.GetAll(true, null, false, true) etc, you're supposed to do Player.GetAll(isReadyPlayer: false)

[worthy rune]

i dont doubt that, at least all the details are not hidden away and are given upfront through the docs

[true cedar]

that's something i think will trip a lot of new devs up

[worthy rune]

maybe, im not sure how to solve that

[true cedar]

don't have the method be like that?

when you have 5 optional parameters, three of which are bool?, i think it's clear that something is wrong

if you really want a "GetAll", make it take a SearchSetting struct or something

and extract the parameters out to the struct

it'll take up more lines, but then you don't need to worry about beginners using it wrog

[teal junco]

does labApi have javadocs

or whatever thats claled

[true cedar]

with this you can also pre-define SearchSettings

no need for Player.AuthenticatedList, just Player.GetAll(SearchSetting.Authenticated)

[worthy rune]

public struct SearhFilter
{
    public static SearhFilter Ready => new();

    public static SearhFilter Authenticated => new() { IncludeNpcs = false };

    public bool IncludePlayers = true;

    public bool? IsPlayerReady = true;

    public bool IncludeNpcs = true;

    public bool? IsNpcDummy = true;

    public bool IncludeHost = false;

    public SearhFilter() { }
}

something like this?

[icy knoll]

SearhFilter

[worthy rune]

clos enough

[icy knoll]

if you dont put the c in i will cry 😭

[terse bone]

Maybe search flags?

[terse bone]

Nah, bad idea

Or, if you combine some search (flags )options and put them in a static class called SearchOptions then maybe it would make sense

[hearty shard]

maybe make it not nullable bool

have it be more clear

[upper vapor]

using System;

[Flags]
public enum PlayerSearchFlags
{

    None = 0,
    UnauthenticatedPlayers = 1,
    AuthenticatedPlayers = 2,
    Dummies = 4,
    Host = 8

}

[terse bone]

Yea i was already doing that, but i will try without parenting it to the client

[terse bone]

Something like that

You can also make "presets" from these flags if you want

As i said

[upper vapor]

those could also be included in the enums

like AuthenticatedAndDummies = AuthenticatedPlayers | Dummies

[terse bone]

Ohh i forgot you could do that

Yeah that would be nice

[worthy rune]

yeah i believe thats the way to go, would be much easier to explain

[hearty shard]

yes

[worthy rune]

not actual docs, just showing how everything is divided up. still would like a better name for RegularNpcs currently no name is given anywhere else for non dummy NPCs

[Flags]
public enum PlayerSearhFlags
{
    None = 0,
    AuthenticatedPlayers = 1, // IsPlayer && IsReady
    UnthenticatedPlayers = 2, // IsPlayer && !IsReady
    DummyNpcs = 4, // IsNpc && IsDummy
    RegularNpcs = 8, // IsNpc && !IsDummy
    Host = 16, // IsHost
}

[upper vapor]

what would a non-dummy npc be

[hearty shard]

old exiled npcs

[worthy rune]

all dummies are NPCs, think of any NPC before dummies were added

[hearty shard]

eg

i still gotta fix this having the name as null and showing in tab

[worthy rune]

dummies are primarily used testing so they are coded to act more like players which can be problematic let say if you want to hide them on the player list or RA

also dummies are expected to be visible to plugins like players would, while non dummy NPCs are not

[marsh minnow]

Hello so I want to try example plugin HelloWorld but it doesn't load

I have it in LabAPI/plugins do i have to put it into global or 7777 folder?

[worthy rune]

should be explained here https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/wiki

[marsh minnow]

I tried but it doesn't work

[upper vapor]

correct

the wiki may be outdated

[marsh minnow]

So I should but it into global folder?

[hearty shard]

global will load it for all ports

[port (eg 7777)] will only load for that port

[worthy rune]

fuck, it is

[marsh minnow]

In february last update of readme I saw

[marsh minnow]

Thanks now it works

[plush walrus]

Gotta ask, (this is a repost from Exiled)

Why is the default gravity for a player 0, -19.60, 0? (The 0, -12.60, 0 is just me testing around with gravity)

Wouldn't it make more sense if it was 0, 1, 0 or 1, 1, 1?

[ashen hornet]

Probably due 19.60 being twice the amount of 9.8 m/s^2 which is Earth's gravitational force

[teal junco]

thats what i assume

[plush walrus]

[teal junco]

what the fuck is that reaction board

[plush walrus]

although if its passed through an exponent shouldn't it be positive and not negative?

[teal junco]

its probably negative becayse its pulling you downward

wait

[ashen hornet]

which way does the gravity pull

[teal junco]

What is the exponent for though

[teal junco]

sorry, its negative because its processsed positive as the value, and then applied negatively as the gravity

I think.

[plush walrus]

I understand its downwards, but it doesnt make that much sense to me though since "negative gravity" would make it seem (at least to me) that you would be going upwards.

[teal junco]

its not actually like gravity

imo

its like the vector3 added to your position when gravity is applied

[upper vapor]

since Y is up in the coordinate system, applying a negative force would make the object go down
sure, the naming isn't the best but it does mean upwards force

[teal junco]

The gravity value is the vectoe applied

I think its intuitive naming

[plush walrus]

Probs the reason, except for still confused on why its doubled.

Eh, either way, not a big deal

Just a generalist question I had

[teal junco]

When will SCP SL fix the jump

[upper vapor]

because "earth" gravity wouldn't be sufficient

for the game at least

[plush walrus]

Double it

[teal junco]

So the d class weigh 60 lbs

hubert had to artificially make them fatter

[unique crane]

Unity's units are interesting

[plush walrus]

Although this did come up with an idea for like an event. Reversed Gravity

I dont want to think about it too hard now or the implications of it on Surface

[unique crane]

There are invisible nets

[plush walrus]

Otherwise I will try to make it a real thing lmao

[unique crane]

Just like in australia

[teal junco]

I think it depends on whether the developers choose to scale unity units to meters or to an arbitrary unit

[unique crane]

so you dont fall into outter space

[plush walrus]

Im aware, but it wont stop them from just getting stuck on Surface because they cannot jump into the elevator

[teal junco]

Im not sure whether SL uses meters or what.

[unique crane]

Uhhh

Surely not meters

Just unity's units

[plush walrus]

Meters I thought

It used to be not the case way back in the day but iirc now days 1 unity unit in game = 1 meter

[teal junco]

I think so?

[unique crane]

Thats simply that did the code use

[teal junco]

back in the day before 12.0 SL used arbitrary scaling

then they slightly adjusted all scales

[unique crane]

It could be scaled on LabAPI side yea but too late for that

[plush walrus]

Its not a big deal as I said, just a generalist question

[restive turret]

Xml, ye not shipped with the game yet

[restive turret]

@hearty shard you remember this?
Gravity being 1,1,1

[hearty shard]

guh

shh

[restive turret]

Also if you like you can choose earths gravity i guess

[unique crane]

If you want

latest version

Put it alongside your labapi dll where you reference it

[grand flower]

Does the OnPlayerInteractedDoor event fire even if the player wasn't allowed to open/close it?

[restive turret]

I love this

OnUsed run after it runs OnRemoved

😭

[unique crane]

Pretty sure yea

[teal junco]

its usually a postfix or something right

[grand flower]

to be sure, I worded it weird, if I do ev.IsAllowed = false in OnPlayerInteractingDoor

[terse bone]

Is ChaosKeycardItem not registered as KeycardItem in LabAPI?
A few days ago i had this code and after that check it swaps original keycard to a custom one, but it didn't swap for chaos keycard only

that's what i got from wrappers list ig

[grand flower]

nvm no it doesn't

but I think I see how I can handle stuff so no biggie

[unique crane]

Oh that

uhh

try it and seee

[grand flower]

yeah no but there's an issue

I switched ev.IsAllowed to ev.CanOpen

if CanOpen is false it still doesn't fire OnPlayerInteractedDoor

[unique crane]

Yep

[grand flower]

and honestly it probably should?

[unique crane]

Ohuh

[grand flower]

I get stopping it for IsAllowed but the player still interacted with the door even if they couldn't open it

if that remains it kinda makes InteractedDoor useless for cases where I want a handler to potentially block the interaction in a certain scenario and another to blow it up if nothing blocked the interaction

I'd have to put both of these in InteractingDoor and pray one runs before the other so I can check ev.IsAllowed

[celest thorn]

Im having an issue really stupid with doors, im making my own editor and the doors for some reason aren't loading in the correct position

The door will always spawn in heavy all of the types in the position where they should be but on heavy and Relative positioning will be messed up so badly, i spawn them in surface for example and they will be in the void working fine but messing up everything else like movement etc...

[grand flower]

PlayerInteractedDoorEventArgs has CanOpen so surely this is a bug right?

[marsh minnow]

Hello so how can I print player position at start of round? I tried defining as a Vector3 position = Player.Position but it says that An object reference is required for non-static field,method, or property 'HelloWorldPlugin.Player'

[grand flower]

@unique crane should I open an issue for the above or is that... normal? nvm was an issue with my IDE or binaries idk

[terse bone]

ahh discord

can't have AV1 on discord too

i guess it still kinda flickers, but it's better than before

practically unnoticeable because of compression

[unique crane]

It may be the compression yea

but I dont see any issue with that

Like if you parent it to the player

you cant get it smoother

[terse bone]

this is what i did

but if i disable movement smoothing then it flickers horribly

[grand flower]

Made one just to be sure since I feel like this is a pretty nasty issue to have https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/106

the worst thing is, looking at LabAPI's code I feel like that's the case

so idk why it's not running the event

[upper vapor]

You need to spawn the door with global transform
So either don't parent it, or hack mirror like I did

[grand flower]

only IsAllowed prevents it

[celest thorn]

can you be more specific on hack mirror

[upper vapor]

https://github.com/Axwabo/slocLoader/blob/labapi/slocLoader%2FSpawnObserversPatch.cs
https://github.com/Axwabo/slocLoader/blob/labapi/slocLoader%2FSendSpawnMessagePatch.cs#L11

You'd have to do this with objects that have a WaypointBase

[celest thorn]

so if i just use a version of this i should be able to change their position

[celest thorn]

hmm sport and other don't

but for example lockers

don't spawn in the correct

[grand flower]

nvm it works? Seems like my IDE fucked up compiling or copying the plugin DLL over -_-

[upper vapor]

Oh they uh
Have you tried joining after spawning them?

[celest thorn]

So yea by checking the code i probably understood what to do

[celest thorn]

no

honestly i didn't

[upper vapor]

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