plugins-dev-chat

[hearty shard]

you cannot send the spawn msg to the dedicated

lmao

[upper vapor]

yeah um

yep

that makes sense

it shouldn't have taken this long though 😭

[hearty shard]

@rugged laurel thats ur answer ^

also fuck PickupCreatedEventArgs

that shit does NOT work for what i need

and theres no alternative

💀

Exiled patches ItemDistributor.CreatePickup for the event

and that worked for me

maybe i just gotta patch that too ig

well

actually no

cuz

hm

idk

even when i throw it, same issue so wtf

is the event not working

[worthy rune]

what are you trying todo?

[restive turret]

Worked for me teheehe

[restive turret]

Ah nice so scale things work

[hearty shard]

the event only calls for basegame ones

[worthy rune]

strange

[restive turret]

Then subscribe to once in InventoryExtension?

[hearty shard]

like im throwing an item

and it doesnt log anything

[hearty shard]

yes but this should still work

[restive turret]

PlayerDroppedItem

[hearty shard]

2 events 💔

[restive turret]

Just call underlying method with your serial

Also droppeditem won't trigger when player died

[worthy rune]

theres ItemPickupBase.OnPickupAdded but that should be equivilant to the labapi PickupCreatedEvent

[restive turret]

And drops is item

[hearty shard]

yeah

[worthy rune]

i see the issue, its becuase the wrapper is created and cached before the event is called

[hearty shard]

bwa

[worthy rune]

this should work, not sure when the next patch is happening tho could be awhile

/// <summary>
/// A private method to handle the creation of new pickups in the server.
/// </summary>
/// <param name="pickup">The created <see cref="ItemPickupBase"/> instance.</param>
private static void AddPickup(ItemPickupBase pickup)
{
    try
    {
        if (!Dictionary.TryGetValue(pickup, out Pickup wrapper))
            wrapper = CreateItemWrapper(pickup);

        ServerEvents.OnPickupCreated(new PickupCreatedEventArgs(wrapper));
    }
    catch(Exception e)
    {
        Console.Logger.Error($"Failed to handle pickup creation with error: {e}");
    }
}

[hearty shard]

💔

[upper vapor]

will the public beta be extended to wait for labapi fixes?

[worthy rune]

subscribing to ItemPickupBase.OnPickupAdded will work how it supposed to tho

[hearty shard]

cool

[worthy rune]

i doubt they would wait for us

[upper vapor]

[worthy rune]

most things are fixed done already just not merged

[upper vapor]

"labapi 1.0.0 has been released with 14.1! it only contains 42 bugs!"

[upper vapor]

i mean that's nice

[restive turret]

I mean you probably using exiled so why not use exiled events

[hearty shard]

negative

im not using exiled

cool

[restive turret]

Then wth us CustomItem cus its aint mine

[hearty shard]

its mine

[restive turret]

Guh

[restive turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295102014207823942/1366843530697375846/image.png?ex=681465fc&is=6813147c&hm=6ac20aaf76bf11260b081583ef0577ca89a631486ffd32ab90fc35c77fb5256d&

Already done it

[hearty shard]

erm

i gotta fix smth

erm

💀

[restive turret]

Lmao

[hearty shard]

it falls through it

and idk the fix rn

skull

[restive turret]

Skill issue

[hearty shard]

fak u!!

[restive turret]

I just parent the light to pikcup

[worthy rune]

^

[restive turret]

I prev just moved the light to coords

Also why when you use an item the light moves back & forth?

I parented to the player

[worthy rune]

huh

[hearty shard]

yeah i did

thats not the issue

its falling through the pedestal

because pedestals dont properly spawn until door opens

[restive turret]

Try it, you parent a light to yourself, look down , use the item

[worthy rune]

i dont remember seeing anything like that

will try it later

[hearty shard]

should i just make it isKinematic when i spawn it

hm

[worthy rune]

i thought you parented the light?

[hearty shard]

yes

im talking about the pickup

the pickup goes through the pedestal

[worthy rune]

something isnt right here

[hearty shard]

thats the issue

cuz pedestal doesnt get spawned in fully

until room is opened

so im asking if isKinematic = false can do the job

[worthy rune]

you must be offsetting the light, since the position is client sided it should be where the item is visually

[hearty shard]

pls re-read

[worthy rune]

also pickups should be kinematic anyway

[hearty shard]

its the item itself

[hearty shard]

well

default prob

[worthy rune]

yeah i know about the room stuff, and im pretty sure the game does what you are saying

[hearty shard]

pickups arent kinematic unless you add them to a locker

[worthy rune]

a pedestal is a locker with one chamber

[hearty shard]

i just spawn em in the locker position

[hearty shard]

yes

[worthy rune]

oh your replacing the pickup with your own?

[hearty shard]

this

[worthy rune]

ic

[hearty shard]

oh btw

i might rework my thing to use a prefab kinda style like basegame

so each CustomItem only controls its own single item instance

would that be a good idea to use the unity prefab kinda style for it

not sure how easy it is in plugins

[worthy rune]

maybe, i might be biased since i hate the singleton manager style ones

[hearty shard]

wdym

like what exiled does ?

[worthy rune]

yes

[hearty shard]

its the same im doing rn

i do wanna change it

[worthy rune]

lol

[hearty shard]

for items and roles

just havent bothered yet

[upper vapor]

you mean components that control the specific instance? i support that

[worthy rune]

you gotta have some manager somewhere i just dont like it being the main way to implement custom items

[hearty shard]

now uh

where is kinematic property

i forgot

[worthy rune]

on rigidbody

[hearty shard]

oh

lol

[restive turret]

I didn't really liked that one

[hearty shard]

for now its this

oh yeah

my CI doesnt work anymore

cuz exiled is gone

😭

[restive turret]

Womp womp

(same)

[icy knoll]

exiled works for me

lol

[hearty shard]

you have repo access?

(you dont)

[icy knoll]

https://gitlab.com/exmod-team/exiled

[hearty shard]

to confirm

this has the references for CI?

[icy knoll]

chaos insurgency

[hearty shard]

no maam

so yeah my CI will be broken

[icy knoll]

smh

[restive turret]

U need new url for the zip file

If u replace that it will work

[hearty shard]

yeah

there is none public rn tho

and im too lazy to make one rn

[restive turret]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[hearty shard]

im gonna kill u

[worthy rune]

i couldnt replicate this, i parented a light to a player then looked down and used a medkit. am i missing something

[restive turret]

Huh

I need to record it

[hearty shard]

[restive turret]

Its really small movement si

[restive turret]

i have a few question.
song?
nice panel is that public?
thats funny

[worthy rune]

Thomas Bergersen - Memoria
SSS panel is not public yet

[unique crane]

Riptide cooked on that one

🔥🔥

[hearty shard]

david

[restive turret]

ye panel looks great

[hearty shard]

can we cook you

[unique crane]

Testing stuff is much easier

[worthy rune]

lmao

[unique crane]

I'm on sun whole ass day

I think I'll be cooked enough by that

[hearty shard]

not enough

[unique crane]

Lay on sand with no shadows nearby

Then say something

[restive turret]

I swear it moved

and cant replicate it

[hearty shard]

is this schizophrenia

[agile oasis]

for some reason RigidBody doesn't work, making primitive to stay in a air, RigidBody applied on parent game object, not on primitive itself.

don't know what is blocking code snippet there, but here is code part

[icy knoll]

disable IsKenetic or smth

or enable

i cant remember

[agile oasis]

I try, thank you

[upper vapor]

admintoy transforms are now local, so you should pass the position parameter to the toy
also, rigidbodies need a collider, try adding a boxcollider to the root objecct

[agile oasis]

well, i've tested in unity itself without collider, it should work

will add after figure out why there no movement

[upper vapor]

you've set the toy to static

that's fine

but you need to sync the transform properly

hold up, this is the wrapper

[agile oasis]

yes, sorry didn't mentioned, I am using wrapper for creating primitive

[upper vapor]

it should've occurred to me from the code lol

anyways, you need to use the local transform when setting admin toy transform properties

so localPosition goes to Position, localRotation goes to Rotation and localScale to Scale

you already have those as parameters so you can use them

[agile oasis]

yes, I am using transform of parent which is spawned on global coords and set on localPosition and localRotation to zero, so it spawns correctly, the only thing there are no movement

[agile oasis]

didnt helped

[upper vapor]

you're creating an empty game object

it's not possible to parent toys to an empty object outsideor within another empty object

each parent needs to have a network identity

i'm not sure why you need that offsetPoint object, but don't parent the toy to it
parent it to the transform of the gameobject itself

@worthy rune could you add some sort of error log if the parent changes to an object that doesn't have a network identity?

cuz it might be confusing for new devs

[upper vapor]

actually that wouldn't work either

your best bet is to create an invisible colliderless (PrimitiveFlags.None) game object as a parent

that means you can move the parent, too

[teal junco]

why so

[upper vapor]

it's easier to use an instance-based approach to separate state

[teal junco]

I usually just use a dictionary of serials and a model i make representing the item stuff I want

I guess I just got used to this way of thinking, the singleton item managers dont bother me in the slightest

neither do the customroles

[upper vapor]

well, singletons are more so meant for single objects, not for multiple ones
i mean yeah you can store the state in a dictionary
but if you have a component attached to a gameobject, it'll clean its state up

it means more allocations though

[tulip kiln]

Bumping this. People complain about binds not working between servers on the same network

[upper vapor]

i think a safe approach would be to prompt players to reuse settings if they've modified the settings on the same ip but different port

this would all be client-side

[worthy rune]

i recomend making an issue on the labapi github for future reference

[worthy rune]

skill issue

[worthy rune]

pretty much what the others said

[icy knoll]

that info is client sided, so good luck tryna do that

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

[icy knoll]

oh

[teal junco]

are managers bad form?

or are they just some people dont like them

[agile oasis]

@upper vapor ok, I figured out that for some reason Rigidbody works only for these primitives and not for gameobject which groups them. Strange, because vanilla unity allowes me that

[faint sparrow]

!status

[regal lake]

https://status.scpslgame.com

[upper vapor]

Adding a Rigidbody component to an object will put its motion under the control of Unity's physics engine. Even without adding any code, a Rigidbody object will be pulled downward by gravity and will react to collisions with incoming objects if the right Collider component is also present.
the docs say you must have a collider along with a rigidbody, are you sure the vanilla unity thing didn't have one?

[agile oasis]

primitive can live without collider but rigidbody enabled, tested in unity, works fine after removing it after spawn, no collision , but object keeps falling.

[white matrix]

@restive turret remember how I brought up that one can add \n to descriptions? Yeah no that doesn't work like I want it to don't forget to add # in front or it won't be commented out.

[lethal cradle]

greetings nerds

[restive turret]

lel

[white matrix]

Hey so uuuh

you should be able to disable DMS right?

like in server config?

Why does it not work?

also how is the game suddenly deciding to spawn a Chaos Miniwave when the only team that had a Token and spawned (Ntf) didn't..?

like I find this particularly weird, only ntf had spawned, nothing else had any tickets, milestones or tokens, and it spawns a chaos miniwave

additionally, I used the admin panel to disable DMS and it did not actually do that. It still went off.

[agile oasis]

well something got happen with this update, on previous version primitive receives parent gameobject coords. In this update primitive don't move with parent. In logs I see parent coords changed, but primitive still on its pos.

[white matrix]

Alright I found my issue with this and it's very fixable

however.. why the flip does it still run DMS when it's disabled?

like I disabled DMS in the admin panel and server config?

[white matrix]

I'd like to make something to set minimum spawn wave size for main waves and mini waves, but idk what determines when a team spawns because that'd need to be modified. I can't find the function. I wouldn't be surprised if I'd need to Patch it either.

[restive turret]

MaxWaveSize

WaveSizeMultiplier

[nova cosmos]

Hello, are there api functions to get the local and global config directories? I will just build the paths myself for now but I would like to use ones that automatically update when the api changes things up.

[agile oasis]

I saw in ProjectMER some implementation

[nova cosmos]

what is that?

[icy knoll]

there is only ported configs for labapi, not global

[agile oasis]

https://github.com/Michal78900/ProjectMER/blob/77eca6a90b089d7dd156275924efd339f394b905/ProjectMER.cs#L41

[nova cosmos]

ah ok I'll have to find somewhere else to store my global configs then

[icy knoll]

there is probably a PathsManager property that gives you the main config folder, from there just make your own folder or do smth like pluginname.yml

[nova cosmos]

I just meant a pathsmanager like property that included the full path to the config directory really, like $"{PathManager.Configs}/{Server.Port}" basically

[nova cosmos]

anyway, I'm thinking I'll create the global directory so it works like before, or is that confusing for users?

[white matrix]

Can I also use that for minimum size? So wait with spawning until a certain amount of spectators are met? In our lobby so small we keep having 1-2 people waves wasting tokens when waiting a little bit would be fine, so I wanted to make something for our server to set a minimum, but idk how to set that as it'd mean I have to interrupt the spawning of the team until enough people are spectator before I allow it to select (which I reckon requires a patch)

[fresh zenith]

Just Check via the OnPlayerDied Event If there are enough spectators in the "Lobby?" And then automaticly execute an miniwave

Would be my implementation

[grand flower]

Made a PR for the CustomDataStore

It currently doesn't support checking if a data store exists on a player

GetOrAdd() would simply add it

[unique crane]

WaveSpawningEvent can be cancelled

Until you have enough players

[white matrix]

Oh interesting, how'd you cancel it? Just return out of it?
Sprry I habe no idea how this typa stuff works

[unique crane]

Property IsAllowed

[white matrix]

Oh awesome I'll take a gander at this

[upper vapor]

yeah that might be confusing
i guess you could create a property to specify what path to use for configs, giving users full control

[unique crane]

This is what you might be looking for?

[nova cosmos]

sort of, I need to be able to get both the port and global ones seperately

[unique crane]

Yeah thats why the isGlobal parameter exists

[nova cosmos]

oh nvm I am blind

where is that function?

[unique crane]

ConfigurationLoader

[nova cosmos]

oh and it even adds the plugin dir

very nice

[ashen hound]

remote keycard be like

[upper pike]

https://tenor.com/view/they-said-it-could-not-be-done-gif-19038290

[ashen hound]

hard very much

[upper pike]

Stealing this

[upper vapor]

why has the checkpoint beep to closing cooldown been decreased

[unique crane]

Feels the same for me

[unique crane]

I should also add method to check whether the keycard can open the door/locker/etc yea..

[ashen hound]

I mean yeah we can add some stuff to wrappers

I used just base game methods

just make like KeycardItem can check if has permissions to some door idk

[unique crane]

Yea

[icy knoll]

don’t forget about lockers, nuke, generators and all that

[unique crane]

Same code, you just replace the door with locker

[ashen hound]

yeah just showing example as door thing

I not making plugin

[upper vapor]

@upper pike #plugins-dev-chat message
you do it

[upper pike]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051988905320255509/1146537451750432778/ezgif.com-video-to-gif_2.gif?ex=681526b6&is=6813d536&hm=2a737bd13cf1045671b06f12af061e0f36857a7511c209a864cc389521102fe4&

[ashen hound]

xdd

[nova cosmos]

is it possible to get breakpoints working when debugging plugins?

[icy knoll]

wdym?

[nova cosmos]

this doesnt stop on breakpoints when I try to run it

also tried running then SCPSL.x86_64 binary directly but I cant get it to work

[upper pike]

Don't think you can

How would that work anyway

[nova cosmos]

yes that is my question

I would assume running the scpsl binary directly would fix it but I cant get it to work properly

it just dies immediately

[grand flower]

Probably doesn't like you attaching a debugger to it

[nova cosmos]

no I have only tried running it without a debugger so far

[grand flower]

Although if there's a way I'd love to know

[unique crane]

Not sure.. but you might need the debug symbols for the Assembly-Csharp too?

Never tried this tbh

[grand flower]

Probs won't be possible, might also be Unity not letting you debug it since it's a released build

Most engines kick your debugger out for non-dev builds

[upper vapor]

i've tried to attach a debugger to the SL process
it died

[nova cosmos]

very strange

[grand flower]

SL client will probably nuke you from orbit if you try to debug it :^)

[nova cosmos]

I would have assumed the debugger just wouldnt show any information about the rest of the binary

well thats incredibly annoying

I have the strangest issue

HttpWebRequest request = (HttpWebRequest)HttpWebRequest.Create("https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198022373616?xml=1");

This doesnt work because apperently the uri prefix is unsupported

[grand flower]

Makes me wonder if Northwood could provide a server build with debug stuff enabled for plugin devs

[nova cosmos]

last time I checked https is pretty supported

[grand flower]

Why aren't you using HttpClient

[nova cosmos]

I dont know

this is like 6 years old code

[grand flower]

Switch to .NET's HttpClient class

Probably a lot better than Unity's

[nova cosmos]

this is dotnet

[grand flower]

Oh nvm that is .NET

Got it confused

[unique crane]

Unity's work with coroutines

thats the point of it

[nova cosmos]

in any case, this has worked for years but stopped recently for some reason

[unique crane]

cuz no async (until now?)

[unique crane]

I have a feeling that @worthy rune had same issue?

[grand flower]

Unity's async is so weird I don't wanna touch it anyway

[nova cosmos]

I used the exact same line in the bot and it works but of course thats dotnet 9.0

[grand flower]

Are you sure it's whining about the URI prefix

Because https is apparently supported

[nova cosmos]

I would like to quote a previous swedish education minister https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01IFjucit2g

[white matrix]

nice

[white matrix]

Does this also work for gens, scp lockers and experimental fridges?

shouldn't be hard to add if it's not the right event but still worth confirming

[static osprey]

use the old fashioned breakpoints

Logger.Error

[ashen hound]

I think gen events etc ahould have same rhing

[white matrix]

👍 I don't know what I'm talking about so you're probably right

[grand flower]

works fine on .NET 4.7 so idk what's up with yours

[ashen hound]

You will need to change some stuff

[nova cosmos]

yeah and it has worked for years for me too, but now its broken for everyone apperently

[grand flower]

Honestly just switch to HttpClient

Microsoft considers HttpWebRequest obsolete anyway

[nova cosmos]

I'll try that, thanks

[nova cosmos]

also arent we supposed to use 4.8?

[grand flower]

Yeah it's just what I could try with an online compiler

Also tried 4.8 and it worked fine

[nova cosmos]

ah ok

[grand flower]

As well as latest .NET so idk what's wrong

[stuck peak]

copied from Exiled's discord, but you aren't in it anymore:

Step by Step debugging

You want to do step by step debugging!

Setup

Note:

Maybe, do a copy of your server. To recover if you make a mistake or want to go back.
You can download your self or just take attached files.
Only server modification, DO NOT TOUCH THE CLIENT! Server, is where the Steam is install not EXILED.

Check if you Visual Studio / IDE as the extension for Unity Dev.

If not install it.

Download the Unity 64-bit, version: 2021.3.17f1. Different version now, but the rest applies the same
Unpack the executable using Winrar or 7zip.
[ExtractedFolder]\Editor\Data\PlaybackEngines\windowsstandalonesupport\Variations\win64_development_mono\

Take UnityPlayer.dll and replace the one found at the root of the server.
Take WindowsPlayer.exe place it at the root of server, delete SCPSL.exe, rename WindowsPlayer.exe to SCPSL.exe.

You can delete UnitySetup64-2021.3.17f1.exe and the extracted folder.

Go to [Server root]\SCPSL_Data\boot.config, edit it and add:

wait-for-managed-debugger=1
player-connection-debug=1

Debug

Place break point in your code. Build and place the dll in server ...
Start the server... A windows will open which will suggest you attach your EDI. Go to or EDI and attached it.
For Visual Studio (min 2019):
Go to Debugging > Attach to Unity > Select Project call "Debug" > click Ok.
Go to the windows open by the server and click Ok.
Disable the auto crash restart: HBCTRL disable

When a break point is trigger, you can inspect the value of instant. Durring run time you can add other break point. The modifications that you will make in your code are not taken ! You need to restart...

Disable the Debugging

Go to [Server root]\SCPSL_Data\boot.config, edit it to:

wait-for-managed-debugger=0
player-connection-debug=0

[grand flower]

@stuck peak made a new PR targetting your branch instead of master 👌

makes more sense yeah hah

[stuck peak]

sounds good I was just about to ping you lol

[nova cosmos]

hmm that looks a bit much, but thanks anyway

[grand flower]

I wrote a quick extension method that uses reflection to do the same so I figured I might as well try to get it in LabAPI :^)

[stuck peak]

fyi in the future you can use for example this nuget package to publicize a reference
i.e

<Reference Include="LabAPI" Publicize="true">
    <HintPath>$(SL_REFERENCES)\LabAPI\LabAPI.dll</HintPath>
</Reference>

and enable 'unsafe' code

<AllowUnsafeBlocks>true</AllowUnsafeBlocks>

to access private/non-public fields/properties/methods

instead of reflection

[grand flower]

oooooh

that sounds amazing, ty

[icy knoll]

why not just forward rather than copying and pasting?

[stuck peak]

I have no idea how to use new discord features

it doesn't list half the channels and I don't think I can put ids in

[icy knoll]

hover over message, click forward, click the channel in the popup, if there, if not, type the channel name in search and click it and click send

easy

[stuck peak]

ah I see thanks

[icy knoll]

nws

[stuck peak]

north wood studios

[white matrix]

So I've been trying to alter spawning conditions a little bit for both the vanilla teams, however I can't quite figure out how to check before the animation starts playing, as when I for example cancel a wave spawn I'd like to not notify all the chaos with the spawning music

[upper vapor]

it seems you have to patch WaveManager.RefreshNextWave
a simple prefix should work, return false if you want to prevent the method from executing

oh wait nvm

WaveTeamSelectingEventArgs

it doesn't pause the timer though

[hearty shard]

ur NOT funny
I DIDNT laugh

[white matrix]

I can pause the timer manually, no?

[upper vapor]

ye

[white matrix]

I'll give that a shot later, thanks for the input.
I'm trying to only spawn waves once a certain % of the lobby is spectator to 1. not waste tokens and 2. not make the waves so small they're basically not worth the 5min wait

so being able to toss a wave without the animation playing means I can do a bunch of logic behind that

[fresh zenith]

uh what is the publicbeta called? my server can't get the image lol

[upper vapor]

use the labapi-beta branch

[fresh zenith]

k thx

i was wondering

i thought it might be different

[unique crane]

or early-server-build

they are the same build currently

[fresh zenith]

oh okay

[static osprey]

anyone know of a way to get RA role name?

[restive turret]

RoleBase.Name?

[static osprey]

i think thats class roles

but anyway i got it

[hearty shard]

RA roel name?

oh

you mean

[static osprey]

refhub.serverRoles.Group.Name

[hearty shard]

permission group

[hearty shard]

btw can be null

[fresh zenith]

question: "foreach (ItemBase item in invInfo.Items.Values)" gives me all items the player has. but if the player has an item in the hand it won't return this one?

[upper vapor]

items also includes the currently equipped item

[fresh zenith]

hm. maybe just an bug in my code lol welp deuggigigiging

[upper vapor]

did you build and copy the dll?

(happens sometimes )

[fresh zenith]

ofc i did

well it gives me the item yes but i can't get the permission from the keycard lol

(just added like 3 more Loggers for debugging)

[upper vapor]

check how Killers did it #plugins-dev-chat message

[fresh zenith]

oh i might found the error lol

used the wrong Event.

[upper vapor]

[fresh zenith]

yea.... it took me like 30 minutes...

(and i was wondering why ev.CanOpen was only an get; bool ....)

[hearty shard]

😭

[fresh zenith]

well works now.

[obtuse spruce]

labapi didnt provide any support to change player Scale ?

[upper vapor]

nope, that's still in the works, or at least not public atm

[obtuse spruce]

Okay that why i got so much issues when i change the scale via the old method

[upper vapor]

yup

firearms just die

[obtuse spruce]

Yea

And Tesla too

Tesla stay in idle mode as what i see

[upper vapor]

that's interesting

[obtuse spruce]

let me check

Yea tesla stay in idle mode

[upper vapor]

we got it for ragdolls but not players 😢

[obtuse spruce]

[true cedar]

why is it that we get all this cool shit after i stop doing sl dev

[hearty shard]

womp womp
shouldve stayed

[true cedar]

wait wheres the 14.1 doc

[hearty shard]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QnlV84YuPeEK9LF8Zdh1C90MRrtdD2P2YdbQ5u5JlP0/edit?tab=t.hesihnciav7c#heading=h.2ivoyrz55urc

[true cedar]

very cool

[obtuse glade]

question, what dll references do you need in your vs project for a plugin?

[static meteor]

Reference the dll files found in C:\Users\Superuser\AppData\Roaming\SCP Secret Laboratory Dedicated Server\SCPSL_Data\Managed

[obtuse glade]

alr thanks for the help

its essentially the same as the nwapi

[hearty shard]

yeah no difference

just Nwapi -> Labapi

thats the difference in reference

[round vale]

How can i remove a coin after being used, cuz like when I used the northwood api, it would glitch

[static meteor]

FlippedCoinEventArgs If I remember correctly

Then do ev.CoinItem.Remove() I think

Idk haven't really messed with this event much

[restive turret]

Remove or destroy.
But wait atleast .1f to do

Timing.CallDelayed(0.1f, () => ev.Player.RemoveItem(ev.CoinItem));

[obtuse glade]

where is the MEC reference though?

[round vale]

also is there a way to turn lockdown and overcharge?

[restive turret]

Acs-Firstpass

[obtuse glade]

wait, is that a dllr eference or a nuget package?

nvm

found it

😭

[restive turret]

:sob

[round vale]

help pls

cuz server runcommand doesnt work

[upper vapor]

you can decompile those commands and see how they work

but LabApi wrappers should let you do that

Facility.SomethingSomething this was from NWAPI

[restive turret]

Yes

Exactly that parameter

[worthy rune]

i dont think we have anything for overcharge iirc

[upper vapor]

Map.TurnOffLights

[round vale]

yeah but thats just for lights

[obtuse glade]

i think you can just "simulate" an overcharge essentially

and just play the cassie alert

and make it look like it is an overcharge

[worthy rune]

i forgot i made those

lmao

[upper vapor]

go through the list of doors and check if they're in hcz

[worthy rune]

only unique thing in Map is the seed property everything else is just loops and random stuff which is kinda useless imo

[upper vapor]

at least people don't have to reinvent the wheel every time

[restive turret]

But that's funny

[worthy rune]

ngl i want to delete it

[upper vapor]

if you want to start the 079 recontainment itself, try Object.FindAnyObjectOfType<Scp079Recontainer>().BeginOvercharge()

note that it'll also try to kill 079

[restive turret]

Skill issue

[upper vapor]

well yeah, NW doesn't have to approve PRs for those

[restive turret]

Or just check how the RA console command works

[restive turret]

Funny is always you dont know whats fixed internally

[upper vapor]

indeed

when zone but no zones

i'M not even sure which door overlaps two zones even

[restive turret]

Well

First one will be selected

Which is random

[limpid fjord]

Can't play custom text on CI key card?

[upper vapor]

you can play custom pixels

[limpid fjord]

ye

I need that

I want to play bad apple

[upper vapor]

just render the text

[upper vapor]

then you need to transform the video to be able to display it
downscale, color threshold

[limpid fjord]

What functions can I use?

[upper vapor]

you need to find a library that decodes video or images
and then it's math

[limpid fjord]

SnakeDisplay?

SnakeEngine.UpdateDisplay(SnakeDisplay, bool)?

[upper vapor]

that's client-side

use ChaosKeycardItem::ServerSendMessage

[limpid fjord]

ChaosKeycardItem.ServerSendMessage(SnakeNetworkMessage)

[upper vapor]

it's funny how your name is anaconda

[upper vapor]

yep

[limpid fjord]

love you

[hearty shard]

i said this

ages ago

💔

ur just copying me ngl

Delete Map.cs
move Seed to Round.cs

problem solved ngl

[upper vapor]

round.seed

[restive turret]

Nice

Round.deez

[hearty shard]

....

ur not funny

ur banned

for unfunny

[upper vapor]

agree

[restive turret]

[limpid fjord]

just an snake game

[carmine prawn]

simple question, how can I know if a jailbird attack type is a sprint?

use OnPlayerHurt

[upper vapor]

check the jailbirddamagehandler

[upper vapor]

haven't tested it myself but i think you have to use the Reset message type with the enabled pixel coordinates included in the list

[unique crane]

Didnt know its per-pixel

I though it was just sprites

[upper vapor]

idk either 😭

i'm just guessing

[limpid fjord]

nope...

It doesn't work even with HarmonyPatch

Is the Snake game handled on the client side, meaning the server can't directly control or render what appears on the Snake display?

[upper vapor]

i've heard that someone's already made bad apple in snake

[limpid fjord]

https://youtu.be/dHXser75F7k?si=v92HFc3YHAuKvNkl

Is this it?

[upper vapor]

seems like it

no clue how it works

[limpid fjord]

This is client modding

[restive turret]

Or somebody green screened to it

[upper vapor]

well that woul'dve required quite some ffort to reposition the video every frame when it's moving
plus there's tearing, so it's likely real-time

[icy knoll]

client side mods

a lot of that stuff is

[teal junco]

No way

[upper vapor]

exactly

[hearty shard]

this doesnt appear to work (the isKinematic)

unless Locker::Chamber position changed to be the bottom of the pedestals

[carmine prawn]

there are no attack types there

[restive turret]

get stuff from _moveDirection?

[carmine prawn]

nope

[restive turret]

well you can get the dmg

[carmine prawn]

if I changed it on other OnPlayerHurting 💀

[restive turret]

well

good luck

[carmine prawn]

add AttackType on JailbirdDamageHandler plz

[hearty shard]

@unique crane do you know

[unique crane]

?

Context

[hearty shard]

i spawn it in a LockerChamber

and set it as isKinematic true

[unique crane]

Aaaand

[hearty shard]

and it spawns in the bottom of the pedestal

like in the actual footing of it not the chamber

[unique crane]

Well do you set the coords of the spawn to the chamber

And not structure coords

since structures has coords starting at floor

[hearty shard]

return UseChamber ? locker.Chambers.GetRandomValue().Base.transform.position : locker.Position;

...

so should it be
return UseChamber ? locker.Chambers.GetRandomValue().Base.Spawnpoint.position : locker.Position;

[unique crane]

Print both and compare with the pickup coords

[hearty shard]

erm

i cba to test rn

ill consider this the fix

[unique crane]

Hmm ok

[hearty shard]

didnt know that was a thing

i swear exiled didnt do that

or maybe i did make it like that

idk

[unique crane]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[static osprey]

@unique cranemight you know if onplayerbanning is bugged or something?

its not firing for me

though onplayerleft is

[unique crane]

Nothing I would know of

[static osprey]

😔

[unique crane]

Hmmmm

I can test in a bit

[static osprey]

same with onplayerbanned

[agile oasis]

can somebody help me understand why transform changes do not applied to primitives inside other GameObject ?

so this one

GameObject Parent;
void Init(Player player) {
Parent = new GameObject("Parent");
Parent.transform.position = new Vector(player.Position);

var toy = PrimitiveObjectToy.Create(Vector3.zero,
                Quaternion.identity, Scale, Parent, true);

Timing.RunCoroutine(Move());
}

private IEnumerator<float> Move()
{
  while (true)
  {
    yield return Timing.WaitForSeconds(1f);
    Parent.transform.position += new Vector3(0, -5f, 0);
  }
}

doesn't work

[restive turret]

cus that gmaeobject doesnt have network identity

[agile oasis]

so this network identity thing is added with this 14.1 update ?

[teal junco]

network identities have always been a thing

it essentially defines an object that the client will listen to the server about

14.1 added client side parenting

[agile oasis]

I am trying to understand why it stopped working , because on previous version it works fine, primitive changed its pos

[teal junco]

But the parent needs a network identity

[teal junco]

because youre moving an object that the client doesnt think exists

so the primitive is probably at 0, 0, 0

[agile oasis]

you mean client started to validate if all parents have network identity ?

[teal junco]

yeah, so that the parent relationship can actually work client side

if there isnt a network identity, how is the client supposed to know what object to parent it to

[agile oasis]

so adding extra primitive to group and build everything on primitives...
But if I set flags for this "parent" primitive to be invisible and no collision, it also applies to child ones... How to handle it then.

[teal junco]

I dont think primitive flags apply to children

are you sure

[agile oasis]

I've checked, they applied

[teal junco]

that's unfortunate

[agile oasis]

Appreciate if there can be example to group primitives, so I can put a logic to group, instead of applying changes for each of them

Thats why it worked well before client started to check, maybe I miss something

[teal junco]

Tell me what you did to produce these steps

[agile oasis]

also if you set Scale to Vector3.zero, it applies to childrens too

[teal junco]

No shit.

[teal junco]

show exact code?

imagine if the primitive invisible flag actually disabled it instead of deleting the renderer

[hearty shard]

you need a NetworkIdentity on an object to parent it client side

[soft depot]

This is not primitive flags applying to children 😭

As far as I’ve seen on the RPC, it just parents the transform. Whether or not it inherits the flag depends on what the flag actually does

[teal junco]

Yeay

[hearty shard]

so uhhhhh

like a player

another admintoy

uhhh

what else has this

i forget

💀

[teal junco]

He claims the primitive flags inherit to children💀

[teal junco]

bro

Item

camera

[hearty shard]

damn

[teal junco]

uh

idk bro

[agile oasis]

oh, sorry guys, my bad, flags do not inherit

feels like creating primitive works ok and I can depend on it

[unique crane]

elevator

Hmm what else has netidentity

[teal junco]

room and tesla?

[hearty shard]

you

[hearty shard]

i dont think rooms do

except like

2

[teal junco]

TC

and i think testing room, at least it used to pre 14.0

[unique crane]

Well I mean Players have netidentity

so yea

[hearty shard]

see

im smart

[unique crane]

https://tenor.com/view/it-didnt-happen-just-gif-25155831

[wheat flower]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[white matrix]

hey uuuh why if my timer is paused on a wave, does the timer keep running? I have both wave's timer's paused right now and both are still going (granted, both being paused is not intended, but still)

nevermind I'm a dummy

[icy knoll]

they keep going until a reasonable time, but they are paused

waves that have no spawn waves will be paused also

[white matrix]

so the timer is not paused when I set the wave to be paused?

hold on I just fumbled something terribly I'm confsing myself a moment

[icy knoll]

it is paused, it just won’t pause the amount of time left until a reasonable point

[white matrix]

I'm trying to get the OnServerWaveTeamSelecting wave, and under a certain condition, pause all other timers, set the timer of ev.Wave to 30 and make it retry again in 30s

granted the code I'm trying to test right now isn't the greatest for that

I wrote this super tired earlier so I gotta rewrite it

but it's just not pausing at all

[white matrix]

that feels weird, I'd assume it to just.. stop the timer

like it's a paused timer, so I thought

why was it designed differently?

[icy knoll]

whilst making timers, i learnt this fact lol

[white matrix]

💀 buh

[icy knoll]

timer may be paused, but the time will still count down

[white matrix]

I truly do not understand why that was done that way

[icy knoll]

for me, it stopped at like 30 seconds or smth

[white matrix]

damn I guess I've got to find a way to preserve their current timer values then somehow huh

It makes no sense to me that that is how that works though.. I cannot understand how pausing a timer doesn't actually pause the timer

Is that an issue I can post somewhere? Because it to me seems very illogical that this works the way it does

[hearty shard]

on labapi github

[white matrix]

I mean isn't it a base-game issue?

the API is just a way to interact with these features as far as I know, and thus if the API says 'pause the timer' the game is supposed to act accordingly, however the behaviour there is weird.

[hearty shard]

yes but

its official api

they can do changes to basegame

[white matrix]

I guess that

's a really good point

Should I mark it as an Idea or Task then? I don't really know what to do with the templates provided

[restive turret]

please let us make custom waves and be in sync 🙏

[restive turret]

Bug

idk

[white matrix]

I mean didn't you already get a good bit of it to work?

[restive turret]

ye everthing work

just would be better if things can sync

[white matrix]

I was going to probably use it soon

I kind of want to see if I can get Serpents to work

it'd be a fun challenge

I might split off one of the things I'm making right now into a separate plugin, or just rename what I have right now

[marble cobalt]

What even should sync about them?

[hearty shard]

like ingame

the RA

[marble cobalt]

The RA waves menu iirc gets built based on what is on the server

May be wrong though

[hearty shard]

i think it crashes client

but yes it does

probably

@restive turret knows more

[marble cobalt]

No yeah it does

[hearty shard]

but i think he said it crashes

or i rememebr wrong

[restive turret]

if you send packets for Custom Wave that isnt in basegame it crashes

since it getting non existing index

[marble cobalt]

That could be a bugfix you could request imo

[hearty shard]

also hii beryl

[marble cobalt]

Hello

[restive turret]

but prev the bug talked about (if I followerd right?) the client still counting the timer despite being paused

[marble cobalt]

As designed, waves still countdown even when paused/frozen unless they have like ~30s or less

don't remember the exact values atm

[white matrix]

seems around there yeah

[restive turret]

oh ah

ncie to know

[white matrix]

but yeah a paused timer shouldn't keep running imo

[marble cobalt]

This was done because the timer gets paused while waves have 0 tokens

But balance-wise the waves would stay frozen with a full timer

[white matrix]

so it can still run down then?

[marble cobalt]

Which sucked terribly gameplay-wise

[white matrix]

I don't see why a team timer should keep running if it's out of tokens

[hearty shard]

maybe rename it

from paused

to Delayed or smth

[marble cobalt]

iirc because it guaranteed it wouldn't spawn even if it achieved enough points

[white matrix]

and as someone who's trying to alter the respawning system, having something unintuitive like this is kind of annoying

[marble cobalt]

because the otehr team would always be ahead

[hearty shard]

just rename it tbh

thats the fix to this

(and ofc an actual pause for it)

[restive turret]

I mean u not supposed to change thing there

[white matrix]

😭 I still need a pause or I gotta figure out how to make something like that myself

I'm sobbing

[white matrix]

no I'm changing the respawning system you cannot stop me

I'm so fucking close to having it all set up man 😭 SO CLOSE

all of it works except for this

I'm sobbing

[hearty shard]

agree to this

trust

[marble cobalt]

I understand, but the system was designed for our usages as our primary concern

[white matrix]

I guess that's fair

[marble cobalt]

You can kinda see I tried making custom waves possible (Michal and I refactored the respawn scripts)

[hearty shard]

oh you and michalll

can you at least consider what i said ? rename Paused > Delayed

or smth

[restive turret]

I didnt even saw that before it got reworked

i just only seen when i worked on it like this week

[marble cobalt]

But at a certain point we have to sacrifice stretch goals in order to meet deadlines

[restive turret]

yeah

deadlines is deadlines

[marble cobalt]

Its a difficult thing to balance, sadly

[hearty shard]

💔

[white matrix]

@marble cobalt do you mind if I at least bring it up on the Github Issues page? Even if it gets shot down, you guys at least have an issue to refer to. I wouldn't say it's super high priority, I think I can just work around it by altering TimeLeft in some super shoddy and finnicky way, but it'd still be quite the improvement if implemented imo

[icy knoll]

can’t wait until we eventually get more models in the game for actual custom waves

[white matrix]

there are no issues with the word Pause in the title yet on the LabAPI Issues page

[restive turret]

recolor classD or Tutorial

[marble cobalt]

The main reason I kept the wording that way was because that's the wording used by design to refer to that specific mechanic

[hearty shard]

ah

[marble cobalt]

So any new programmer unfamiliar with the respawn system who gets asked by game design to change the pause mechanics, or pause here or there

They can easily search the word "Pause" in the respawn scripts and find what they need

[restive turret]

also fun seeing SCP have objective but not used

[marble cobalt]

You as plugin devs also benefit from this because if we say "pause" in the changelogs, you know which parts of the script we're referring to

Or which game mechanics may be affected

[hearty shard]

aye aye aye

[marble cobalt]

I don't mind at all, though it can be difficult to properly fix

[white matrix]

Honestly it's more to document that it exists, I don't mind it taking a while. If need be I'll even help out; I've got a good bit of time on my hands, but I'm not the most experienced

[marble cobalt]

Like, its not necessarily difficult its just, as you said, its not the highest priority

[restive turret]

highest priority is [REDACTED]

[hearty shard]

Shhh

Ur leaking

[marble cobalt]

so real

[white matrix]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/101 I just typed some random ass shit out real quick, ignore the shitty formatting

[teal junco]

please

[white matrix]

I've marked it as an Idea (even though I didn't use the template because I replaced Bug with Idea last minute due to the functionality being intentional), which I hope isn't incorrect

I'm not that githubpilled unfortunately

mfw first year of cs and kinda just doing some stuff I find interesting and fun

[restive turret]

I did many stuff that find me interesting so

(Thats why I have 74 github repo )

[white matrix]

I have a couple so far but most of them private for like random things I'm tinkering with

I just like learning

but like if I'm making a configurable respawn system overhaul plugin I might as well make it public

[restive turret]

its good to see how much did you developed your coding skills

[white matrix]

my coding skills aren't really that developped

I just start typing and eventually the bugs are fixed and it works

[restive turret]

me who started as batch script

[white matrix]

for someone who likes mathematical proofs, I'd assume I'd be more rigorous with my software but alas

[white matrix]

same when I was like 12 but I never truly picked it up

was bored in high school so instead of paying attention to class I started learning python

it all went downhill from there

good shit

[restive turret]

wehn I was 12 I even did minecraft command block "programming"

😭

[white matrix]

I mean modern datapacks can be quite interesting

man..

I'm a bit bummed out now

[restive turret]

i learned c# by looking code in github

[white matrix]

until the timer is changed, which for now I'm assuming is never

I will need to find a workaround for this

it's quite frustrating ngl

[restive turret]

was funny af how I literally learned C# by just looking and understanding code in gh

[white matrix]

honestly

[true cedar]

i think that's how like

[white matrix]

I learnt basic python syntax

[true cedar]

most people learn

[white matrix]

started typing

at one point looked up C# syntax

started typing

it clashed a lot with my brain at first, having a static typing language when only having experience with dynamic

but nowadays I work with python as if it's dynamic

[restive turret]

I always trought with some kind of tutorials or like code course or smth

[white matrix]

and then I'm teaching friends introductory programming I'm basically just making them do static typed python, because python is easy to read and quite flexible, has a lot of docs and whatnot

[true cedar]

code tutorials are useless

[white matrix]

but the dynamic typing is so confusing

[white matrix]

well, I can tell you: a lot of first years Computer Science students have never touched a line of code before

[restive turret]

yes I know

[white matrix]

there were a whole bunch of people who had to learn Java from scratch by the supplied course

[restive turret]

im in like my 3rd year

[true cedar]

what class

like if its an introductory programming course

you shouldn't be surprised when people don't know programming

[white matrix]

I know

I mean it was mandatory for everyone, even the people with previous experience

but for some reason I've seen people accept the stereotype of 'all cs students have programming experience before they start'

[restive turret]

me who joined at CS with like 2yr of experience of programming (or more if we count scratch, MC command blocks)

[white matrix]

I just type man

I just type

I don't count it as experience clueless

because if you ever see some of the shit I've made

the structure is.. not great

even more modern stuff I'm not particularly proud of

[restive turret]

i mean my code was shit too so

[true cedar]

well now u know that what u made isnt great

so u learn what not to do

[white matrix]

a little more sl related; once a wave spawns, all other timers are changed right?

the spawned wave's timer goes to default, the others do what exactly?

[restive turret]

yes

[white matrix]

also mini waves; are they required to have tokens or not? because they have a running down timer too, however I've noticed one spawning without having a token before

could be because of broken things in the background though

[white matrix]

do they just go to default

because then I've found an easy temporary workaround for what I'm doing here

[restive turret]

to 0? and starting counting down again?

it goes back to some value

idk what exactly

[white matrix]

I mean I am trying to implement a minimum % of the lobby needs to respawn for a wave to go off

if it cannot delay the wave by 15-30s then try again

but if a wave spawns and it resets all other wave's timers

then that would mean that I can just do this for all other waves wave.TimeLeft += wave.TimePassed; // reset timer to default.

but that might not work

I'd have to double check if TimePassed is truly what I think it is

after the entire timer pause debacle I am doubting and double checking for a short while I reckon

Logger.Debug("Resetting all other team timers.", RTOPlugin.Instance.Config.EnableDebugLogging);
foreach (SpawnableWaveBase spawnableWaveBase in WaveManager.Waves)
{
    RespawnWave wave = RespawnWaves.Get(spawnableWaveBase);
    if (wave is null)
    {
        Logger.Debug($"\tRespawnWave {spawnableWaveBase.TargetFaction} | {spawnableWaveBase.GetType()} is not a RespawnWave.");
        continue;
    }
    wave.TimeLeft += wave.TimePassed; // reset timer to default.
}
evWave.TimeLeft = 15;  // Will try again in 30 seconds.
evWave.PausedTime = 0;
``` something like this to delay the respawn and reset the other timers.

alright imma try this

and hope it works

that or I'm throwing a fit

going to straight up babyrage

and do something else for the day

I've had a long one

yeah no it does some weird ass infinite loop.

I'll just fix it another way

holy shit I think I've got it to work without pausing but it's such a wacky fix

[agile oasis]

is saving hypothermia effect after death is a known bug ?

[white matrix]

yeah I cooked

[hearty shard]

what plugins

might be plugin bug

[white matrix]

look I did a thing #1367953962741006417 message feel free to roast you two put up with some of my bullshit.

@restive turret @hearty shard

It did not paste my pings

anyways I'm going to take a fucking break now

[restive turret]

will look at it while i eat

[white matrix]

have a nice meal :D

I thought I'd give it a shot

I mean I primarily made it for my own server, but might as well release it

[restive turret]

Instead of using Player List use Player ReadyList

[teal junco]

is readylist cached or something

idrk what context this is

[grand flower]

Is there a way to hide global tags of a player in favour of local ones

[unique crane]

You have badge preferences in menu

[grand flower]

I meant more as an override on the server side of things

That or maybe separating the global from the local tags

Since global tags can hide custom server tags that are used for gameplay

[unique crane]

To like force show the local one?

[true cedar]

yea but that absolutely violates vsr

[unique crane]

I feel like you should respect the preferences-

yea

It might violate it

[true cedar]

make it custom info

[grand flower]

I figured it might, kinda why I hope in the future they'll be split

Although I wish the rules would be hiding the global one for "no good reason"

If it's like a custom role or something I feel like that should be fair game

[unique crane]

You dont need a local tag for a custom role?

There is CustomInfo for that

specifically

[grand flower]

I'll take a look at that then ty

[hearty shard]

yeah

well

with InfoArea you can disable a players tag

idk what its called in labapi tho

role text too

at least like

the hover text

like hovering over another player

[true cedar]

u dont even need to do that

[hearty shard]

probably not but it is a feature

[unique crane]

Looks better if you have custom roles yea

[white matrix]

Why is that?

I think there's like 2 usages for it; one to see who are all spectators and one just to see how many players are on the server

[hearty shard]

List contains Dedicated Server

[white matrix]

aaaaah

[hearty shard]

ReadyList only contains npcs and real players

[white matrix]

then that's something that @untold raft might want to know too for #1338896688743579801 message UsefulHints, as that's something I ran into earlier for the teammates

[white matrix]

oh that's good to know I'll take that into account. I'll replace it after my helldivers mission

[white matrix]

What methods of putting text on screen are currently available/supported? I'm trying to look into hints but don't really understand how to change the placement of the text on the screen.

[worthy rune]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.textmeshpro@4.0/manual/RichText.html not sure which version it used but most of the ones you see there should work

[heady turret]

There is bug with SCPs using keycards, because there is no animation of using and non-compliant Keycard Permissions

btw if i drop card to button that work fine

[teal junco]

is SCP SL physics deterministic?

[worthy rune]

no

[teal junco]

Fuck

[worthy rune]

what are you trying todo

[teal junco]

Replay system

[worthy rune]

that might work, as long as you dont leave anything out it should be deterministic

physx is abit finicky, stuff from one part of the scene can effect the physics in another part even if they are no where near eachother so you have to make sure you include everything

[teal junco]

Oh, alright. I don't know that it's possible to exactly recreate a scene 1:1 so I might have to handle physics by recording it or something.

I should probably start at basic stuff anyways

[grand flower]

You don't need to replay every input, just capture snapshots of the world at X times a second and interpolate between them

It'll probably give you a result close enough to the original

[teal junco]

I thought of that, but I wondered how it would look for players.

It's probably the easiest and most reliable solution.

[grand flower]

What kind of replay system are talking

Like, what usecase

[teal junco]

My personal use case would probably be recording rounds and using it for B-Roll or to review gameplay with my friends (My favorite part of certain Source games was the demo review after the game)

I guess for that it doesn't actually matter how good it looks.

[grand flower]

It'll be fine then, that's basically what the demo system does

Same when you spectate players in a Source game, you're only interpolating between snapshots the server sends you

[teal junco]

I still need to fake inputs for some things like picking up stuff or shooting guns

[grand flower]

Can be part of the snapshots

[teal junco]

Yea, but the issue is Source games have client code dedicated to interpreting demos

[unique crane]

Wait, are you trying to do first person or third person view for this?

[teal junco]

SL doesn't, if you've ever seen an SCP SL primitive animation you'll sorta know what I'm talking about

[grand flower]

If you're making a replay system you'd probably just have it run as a plugin on a server. Afaik you can spawn bots/fake players so you'd just spawn them as needed and puppeteer them around

[teal junco]

Most likely third person view, idgaf how first person looks tbh

[unique crane]

Oki

[teal junco]

That is what I'm planning on doing

[worthy rune]

my idea for something like that was to record mirror network messages and then play them back to the clients, you might need to alter some messages to get them to work, and some have to be removed like VC ones but i think it could work

[grand flower]

I feel like that's a lot more complicated than just capturing and replaying snapshots

[teal junco]

Yeah

[worthy rune]

it might be, i never looked into it much so im not sure

[teal junco]

I could type up a demo for this and see how it actually looks

Also, does anyone know if theres any libraries / programming concepts I should investigate before looking at this?

[grand flower]

Not really no. Probably just .NET's default stuff for writing to a stream. You'll probably want to make some data types for snapshots and write them to a file as you go.

You're better off writing a prototype and iterating on it as you go for a project like this

You'll quickly find out what works or doesn't

[teal junco]

That is what my plan was, so I'm glad I might be on the right track. You're referring to StreamWriter which serializes the snapshots and then appends it to the end of a file right?

[grand flower]

Something around that ballpark yeah

idk if you'll want to write to the file every time you capture a snapshot

Potentially better to use something like a MemoryStream and then write to the file every X snapshots

[teal junco]

Oh yeah thats up to 60 times a second

[grand flower]

Yeah IO might become a bit of a bottleneck

Might as well just hold X snapshots in memory and when you reach capacity you flush it all to the file

[teal junco]

I'll probably use Json instead of yaml because Json's mathematical structure is a lot more reassuring than yaml's fuckshit.

[unique crane]

SL actually stores players location for like 3N physics ticks

[grand flower]

Wouldn't use a readable format

[unique crane]

I don't remember how much

But it does

Just don't store it every tick

[grand flower]

There's no reason to, it'll add overhead to the conversion and make the recordings bigger than they need to

[teal junco]

So have a limit of X snapshots held in memory, then once thats reached, write to file then clear

[grand flower]

yep

[teal junco]

What should I use then?

[unique crane]

Binary

[grand flower]

Yeah convert to binary and flush

[teal junco]

does .net have a way to write stuff to file directly

oh okay

[unique crane]

Ofc it does

[grand flower]

FileStream iirc

[teal junco]

does this also preserve type

[unique crane]

If you use any serializer, yes

[grand flower]

Would make it easy that way to write the snapshots as binary to a MemoryStream and then append the memorystream to the file

You don't need to preserve type with binary since you're basically just writing the memory

[unique crane]

BinarySerializer...

File.WriteAllBytes

Done

[teal junco]

Oh, interesting.

[grand flower]

Yes to the former, no to the latter, you're not keeping the entire recording in memory and then writing it to a file

[teal junco]

I can append it instead right?

[grand flower]

yeah, that's why I suggested a file stream

makes the whole MemoryStream -> FileStream code a lot easier

Play around with the amount of snapshots you keep before writing to the file, find out what works best performance wise

You'll probably want snapshots to have some sort of pre -> update -> post setup