general-chat

[late fulcrum]

I wrote some real time radar processing software for the Cell/BBE chip. They ended up strapping a "cheap" Furuno radar to a Jeep and duct taping a PS3 to the passenger seat for real world testing. It worked.

[glad ruin]

Or Cities Skylines rendering the individual teeth of everyone in the city.

[late fulcrum]

That $20k Furuno radar (plus the PS3 and software) outperformed Raytheon's $20M radar. Raytheon was Not Pleased to lose that contract.

[tranquil swallow]

"my x86 box is better than your x86 box!"

[glad ruin]

I can imagine.

[tranquil swallow]

i recently had that thought over the current state of consoles, they really don't offer much value now

[late fulcrum]

The weird thing is that the $20k radar produced a better pulse shape, which gave the software something to chew on. The Raytheon radar was fully transistorized, but the vacuum tube Furuno outperformed it due to the improved pulse.

A friend gave me a PS5 because it overheated. Taking it apart, I could see they tried to push it too far and make it up with a liquid coupled heatsink. Didn't work.

[glad ruin]

x86 is just sad at this point. We've pushed it basically as far as it will go in terms of IPC. At this point future performance improvements will have to rely on either (a) compatibility-breaking architecutural changes, or (b) manufacturing improvements. The former is mostly pointless because x86 is an antiquated architecture. The latter is living on borrowed time.

[rapid geode]

its been "replaced" several times, but none have gained a foothold. except arm coming form the bottom now.

wonder what an arm workstation cpu would be

[glad ruin]

Ask Ampere. They made one.

[late fulcrum]

Propped up by windoze but that's going away, presumably followed to the grave by X86

[glad ruin]

One can only hope.

[rapid geode]

windows aint going nowhere any time soon, but we'll see. somethign has to grab hold, and it doesnt seem to be linux.

i thought beos was gonna be cool, then it went away

maybe desktop machines will be what goes away

[late fulcrum]

It turns out MICROS~1 doesn't care about it any more (they're making all their money from cloud these days), so they're quietly replacing the underpinning of windoze with Linux.

[tranquil swallow]

Idk about linux, I'm seeing more takeup thanks to valve's thing, even seeing antivax boomers making linux tutorials on my feed now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVI6SCtVu4c

[late fulcrum]

The upshot is that in a little while, "windows only" games will no longer exist, they'll run on Linux too.

[glad ruin]

But perhaps depend on Microsoft-specific APIs.

[rapid geode]

i dont think theres is MONEY in windows anymore. thats for sure.

[glad ruin]

They've been trying to force everyone to use their AI, and I am having none of it.

[blissful roost]

That's a build I'd want to do. 😄

[rapid geode]

hehe

so the charger jst connector is too tall. gah

[blissful roost]

Doh!

[tranquil swallow]

@rapid geode have you considered fabbing your own keyswitches, since its tangential to making keycaps

[rapid geode]

O-o

grumblecakes

1.75mm too tall

[rapid geode]

yay

fliped over and screwed in from the bottom now

[tardy badger]

Welp, new fear unlocked.. driving on a large bridge over a harbor and it getting struck by a large container ship that’s struggling to maintain power which then causes the bridge to collapse.. I hope all the people who ended up in the water are okay 😥

[ebon dew]

Is that a real thing that happened or an irrational fear?

[tardy badger]

Real thing. The Francis Scott Key bridge in Maryland was struck by a container ship this morning and it completely collapsed with a number of vehicles on it

It’s all over the news

[whole jacinth]

modern container ships are possibly a good example of just because you can scale up something that large doesn’t mean it’s a good idea

[tranquil swallow]

trying to search for videos on a topic and the whole front page is ai generated garbage and I can't even hide or block these channels

[patent hemlock]

have you seen the latest cruise ships? i used to work downtown Seattle (pre-pandemic) and some of the docking ships were taller than the buildings

[ebon dew]

Holy cow it broke that bridge like it was made out of toothpicks.

Why didn’t they call for tug rescues when they lost power? 😞

[tardy badger]

I think it was too late at that point. Just the distance they were at

[burnt tendon]

one might say they are hard to contain

[glad ruin]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68663318

[dusty citrus]

Maybe is that I haven't really followed the news, but stuff lately is videogamey

[tardy badger]

I saw a post on a local information fb page about how their phone call got rerouted to a scammer call center.

Kind of an interesting situation. I suspect three possible situations:

1. They have malware on their phone that is running some call forwarding type scheme in it.
2. They are using a 3rd party calling service and their account is compromised in some way.
3. They received a fake statement from the scammers for the company they thought they were calling and just fell for a phishing type email/mail scam.

[late fulcrum]

4. Scammers biased Google results to give an incorrect number for a company (this one is known to happen)

[tardy badger]

The person called the number on their statement so probably this but planting it in a phishing statement

[burnt tendon]

I know I've mistyped a number at least one by exactly one digit and gotten a phone-number-squatter.

Phone numbers suck.

[late fulcrum]

Back in the day, AT&T bought 1-800-OPERATOR, thinking that an easy to remember number would have people use them over their competitors. MCI immediately bought variant spellings like OPERATER, OPERETOR, OPARETOR, etc. and cleaned up. AT&T ended up quickly retrenching, replacing the campaign with 1-800-CALL-ATT in the hope that people could remember/spell that better.

[burnt tendon]

I really should bike over to the respective headquarters for Apple and Google and kidnap a few software engineers out of the actual-phone-portion-of-things teams and poke them with sharp sticks until they agree to get rid of all of the UI whackyness that prevents me from copying a phone number from HERE and pasting it to THERE under all circumstances.

I am not messaging some rando person my babka recipe for Easter. Sure it's just the one on the King Arthur Flour website, I don't share it with telephone SMS randos.

[patent hemlock]

(why are there no pointy-stick emojii !!!)

[blissful roost]

I just long-press on a number to copy & paste..

Android is pretty good at identifying phone numbers, so a quick-tap will take me to the dialer, with the number.

[burnt tendon]

Not always!

You can't do it from a contact card without adding the contact.

[dusty citrus]

I can? Maybe it's likely down the app
Sometimes it happens too with WhatsApp

[dusty citrus]

Hm maybe I can start again at being a scalper

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[dusty citrus]

Apparently on 7950X you can somewhat mine on them.
I had a lot of fun during the eth spike

[rapid geode]

crypyo needs to die. ha

[late fulcrum]

No more HTTPS?

[rapid geode]

nope. banned

out of curiousity i looked and you can make about 30 cents a day with a rtx3060 mining

ha

[dusty citrus]

Qubit with a R7950
Pretty bad that you'll have to pay at least ~800€ for a functional system

Like there aren't multisocket m5 boards, or psus for more boards

[jagged citrus]

Think about the efficiency! A couple of cents a day running on a 1KW machine that costs housands of dollars! 😍

(This is satirical by the way)

Crypto in general just.... hmm how do i say it without getting flagged by the automod

It sucks

It just sucks

[jagged citrus]

I got linux running on the S3 😎

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[night crescent]

ASK AN ENGINEER 3/27/2024 LIVE! https://youtu.be/g1n11vwahNE

10% discount code, code is: translator http://www.adafruit.com ends at midnight NYC time https://youtu.be/g1n11vwahNE

[karmic bay]

i used to watch on YouTube every weds a while back then stopped for some reason, it turned into years before I knew it. good to see you guys are still hosting your shows. I am trying to get used to discord. I am 61 and I find it uncomfortable and anxiety-producing.

[rapid geode]

its ok, noone is judging you

mostly

😛

🙂

[tranquil swallow]

i'm not a fan of discord but everyone uses it, so it is what it is

[rapid geode]

i miss forums

[ebon dew]

what would you rather use? IRC?

[rapid geode]

ew ha

[tranquil swallow]

I was using IRC prior to discord tbh

[rapid geode]

actually, irc was ok

[tranquil swallow]

but I recognize IRC is quite dated for what people want now, so I'd be ok with some decentralized fediverse type platform, or telegram

[tardy badger]

IRC was good fun if you knew how to make chatbots

[rapid geode]

discord is just irc with your data monetised

[tardy badger]

Yeah

[ebon dew]

we could go back to BBS's.

[tardy badger]

I ran an IRC server network at one point

Though I mostly was on Geekshed

[rapid geode]

i never did anything online til about the late 90s. so i missed all the weird stuff haha

[ebon dew]

if you liked IRC bots well you're in luck because there are tons of them for discord too. there is a case to be made that discord is just a modern version of IRC.

[rapid geode]

i am a bot. beep boop

[tardy badger]

IRC was big in the late 2000s and early 2010s

[rapid geode]

i used irc for work

[tardy badger]

I used it for gaming

[ebon dew]

so was limewire and napster. some things don't always work out.

[rapid geode]

haha

[tranquil swallow]

I think Twitch still uses IRC as the backend for their chat

I know they used it at one point

[tardy badger]

I think Twitch uses something closer to discord at this point

[ebon dew]

i knew there was something out there but couldn't remember which one it was. think you're right.

[rapid geode]

what ever happened to myspace

:x

hehe

[ebon dew]

all the IRC bots got ported to Twitch bots.

[rapid geode]

my friend wrote a chat bot "girl" and it was amazing how many people tried to hit on it in private messages

[tardy badger]

Not surprised given people have crushes on e-girls

Or the streamers who use avatars

[rapid geode]

so weird. like, surely they know its not a real person. all it could say was "hi"

[tardy badger]

It’s pretty cool how good avatars have become for real time streaming

[rapid geode]

and little else

like 8 canned responses

avatars? like a 3d character in real time?

[tranquil swallow]

yea

[tardy badger]

I watched a video of someone doing all the animation for streaming avatars and it is.. intense (2D/3D animated personas)

[rapid geode]

i dont pay any attention to streaming

[tranquil swallow]

at this point you have enough technology to automate the streamer entirely

[rapid geode]

fake streamers

[ebon dew]

i've seen some of the animated avatars, yeah some of the face and body tracking is kind of amazing. there's also one that applies makeup so the streamer doesn't have to worry about putting on makeup. there were a couple people caught out for being guys with female ai generated faces. it was mind blowing to see how realistic some of these camera apps are.

[tardy badger]

Oh yeah, it’s pretty good

[rapid geode]

so these are realistic avatars, not just cartoon characters?

[tranquil swallow]

the animated avatars are very stylistic and cartoonish, but there is an economy built around them

[rapid geode]

ah

this is my avatar

hehe

had to make a bunch of changes to fit the charger.

[ebon dew]

looking good. what's the plate for?

[tardy badger]

Nice looking enclosure

[rapid geode]

heat sink for the pi

[ebon dew]

so slim, looking sleek.

[rapid geode]

so crammed

hehe

pcbs are in the mail

[tardy badger]

I’ll tell you what, you’re definitely a much better 3d modeler than I lol

[rapid geode]

i was gonna cut it, but i think ill wait til i get the rubber buttons and measure them in real life. i trust nothing anymore til its in my hands haha

[tardy badger]

Hehe, yeah I get that

[rapid geode]

haha. thanks. although, it my actual job for 30 years, so i hope i dont suck at it

[ebon dew]

heatsinks are very important. i purchased a little wifi camera recently that gets so hot it will melt the abs case and start a fire.

[rapid geode]

yeah. heat can be surprising

[tardy badger]

Well you’re not homeless if that’s any indication 😬

[rapid geode]

yet..

aha

[ebon dew]

Measured 169F with my digital temp gun.

[tardy badger]

Either that or you have 24hr access to a library and are fooling us all

Anything is possible in this day and age

[rapid geode]

abs wont cat fire till over 500f

[tardy badger]

😆

[ebon dew]

Got some tiny heatsinks and now it doesn't get above 99F.

[rapid geode]

but it will deform

[ebon dew]

oh there are images people have posted where the entire case looked like someone took a blowtorch to it.

[rapid geode]

ha. i dont even know where the library is here. hmm. there must be one nearby.

now im curious ha

ah, next to the hospital. makes sense (3km away)

[tardy badger]

My local library is pretty small

Only open like 6hrs a day

[rapid geode]

ah yeah. that im not sure. libraries have faded from being a necessary service

[tardy badger]

The other library close to me is fairly large, open like 12hrs a day

[ebon dew]

libraries next to hospitals is a great idea. both are generally places where quiet is appreciated.

[rapid geode]

the toronto reference library is cool though. cause you can look at original books frokm 200 years ago

when you need the real "source"

[tardy badger]

Libraries play a pretty big role in areas with lots of families. Utah just happens to be known for large families.

A particular group of nice people

[ebon dew]

ah the early days of trying to digitize old records. kids today might not ever know the joy of the microfiche.

[rapid geode]

cause you have to dump the kids somewhere?

[tardy badger]

Who don’t drink hot beverages but consume so much soda/pop that there are so many soda shops here.

[rapid geode]

haha

[tardy badger]

There are three soda shops less than a mile from me

[rapid geode]

i can see that. gotta drink something if not coffee or alcohol

[ebon dew]

sugar and caffeine have always been popular items since like the day humans discovered them.

[tardy badger]

Utah has more soda shops per capita than anywhere in the US 😅

Dirty sodas were invented here too

[rapid geode]

i vaguely remember a soda shop" here in the 80s

[tardy badger]

A dirty soda is a soda with things like flavorings, creamer, whipped cream, etc.. mixed in

[rapid geode]

whats a dirty soda?

ooh

a lazy cream soda

[ebon dew]

and for a short time so was Coca-Cola, the real Coca. something most of us have never had the privilege of trying. this is why we can't have nice things.

[tardy badger]

Think a really elaborate root beer float

[rapid geode]

never use ginger ale in a a cream soda

something happens to it. separates out

[tardy badger]

I did a country report on Canada and one thing listed as a popular drink was milk and ginger ale

It was.. weird

[ebon dew]

shudders

[rapid geode]

milk/ ew

ha

ginger ale is really big here though

[tardy badger]

It didn’t taste bad, but it was very bizarre

[rapid geode]

they have gingerale in hospitals

haha

i wonder if thats just here.

we use is to settle stomaches

like if youve had some surgury and cant eat much. you can have that

[tardy badger]

In the southern US, ginger ale is as common as chicken noodle soup for being sick

[rapid geode]

hopita sandwiches are pretty bad too. bread and ham. and nothing else. no butte,r no mayo, no cheese.. ha

[rapid geode]

ah ok

[tardy badger]

I went to an HBCU (historically black college or university) and they (the students) were joking at the start of COVID that the school administrators were gonna give us ginger ale if we got sick so we could go to class

[rapid geode]

i ate like 10 hospital sandwiches in a few hours after being sick. (long story, functionally i hadnt eaten for weeks)

then they "fixed" me and i was so hungry they just brought me these sandwiches and i ate all of them from the ER. none left

haha

good timesd

[rapid geode]

haha

[tardy badger]

This was one meme circulating

[rapid geode]

oh dear

hehe

[tardy badger]

I made this one

[rapid geode]

is gingerale there canada dry, or is it a different brand? i was always told it was called american dry down there, but that turned out to be a lie.

[tardy badger]

We have Canada Dry, we also have store brands, Seagram’s, Vernor’s

[rapid geode]

ah

[tardy badger]

I like the Canada Dry ginger ale and cranberry flavor

[rapid geode]

ew. i hate that one haha

there was a raspberry one

[tardy badger]

I like that one too

[burnt tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/spaceballs-jam-jammed-lick-shocked-gif-12460549

I hate raspberry

[rapid geode]

wow they are doing a lot of flavours right now. mango, backberry. cherry

[tardy badger]

The blackberry one as pretty good too

[rapid geode]

my market (toronto) doesnt get any of these

just plain, and cranberry near xmas

[tardy badger]

I like the cranberry sprite but I couldn’t find it this last Christmas

[rapid geode]

never liked sprite

there was an orange 7 up that i liked

i think orange

maybe somethign else

[tardy badger]

One soda I wish I could find is Pitch Black Mtn Dew

[rapid geode]

O-o

im not sure ive ever had mountain dew

[tardy badger]

A rare grape flavor that I liked

[rapid geode]

ah

i miss all the crush flavours too.

grape, lime

[tardy badger]

We had watermelon crush here

It was pretty good

[rapid geode]

i dont drink pop much anymore. mostly tropicana lemonades etc.

pineapple mango mmm

[tardy badger]

I have a little soda stream thing

I don’t buy much soda these days

[rapid geode]

unfortunately because i know what pop actually costs i would never buy one of those haha.

[tardy badger]

It’s the convenience

Not having to go out to the store

Plus I end up not wanting it as much which is surprising to me

[rapid geode]

i would get a real soda machine instead if i wanted pop. mount it to the coutner. rooth beer on tap for 5 cents a litre

i remember at the theatre the cups cost more than the pop

[tardy badger]

I love root beer

[burnt tendon]

We have a soda stream thing that gets used solely for carbonated water.

[peak forge]

MOUNTINA DEW

[jagged citrus]

sadly mountain dew isnt sold here officially, however its getting easier to get it from stores that import products from the US, and its easily their most sought-after product.

[fickle aurora]

are there mountain dew smuggling rings? the people need their hackerjuice

[pseudo grove]

It wont launch the payload

(I am new to this)

[patent hemlock]

i'm afraid you're going to have to be more specific - what won't "launch" what "payload"? (once you post that info, you're more likely to get help 😀 )

[pseudo grove]

#general-tech

[burnt tendon]

There was a jolt dealing ring at my high school because it was available but hard to find.

[dusty citrus]

Lucky ya. Here you can only find cola, orange and lemon stuff. Crap market

[rapid geode]

is that the one that had twice the cafience (which was still 0)?

i dont know if we had that here

[burnt tendon]

So, Jolt was the first extra-caffeine cola, which then kicked off a bunch of different other bizarre energy drinks.

It was 95% placebo probably. "OMG THIS ONE'S THE GOOD STUFF"

[rapid geode]

i cant have cafiene

[tardy badger]

Why no caffeine?

[rapid geode]

its evil

no. it counteracts my drugs. so its not good. a small glass of coke wouldnt hurt me, but every day would be bad

so if i do drink pop its root beer, or ginger ale. things wiht no cafiene

luckily i never liked colas anayay

[burnt tendon]

Yeah, I had to give up soda altogether for a while and I really lost a taste for it.

In India they have Thums Up and it's like ... extra spicy cola. And that's kinda nice, maybe a dixie cup sized serving thereof, then I can't get past all of the sugar.

And over there they have ginger-lemon soda which i kinda wonder if that's something I could recreate at home.

Tea is a different matter. That gets purchased by the pound.

[tardy badger]

#help-with-wippersnapper-and-adafruitio

[torn hollow]

I went to Indy Microcenter for the first time yesterday because I was traveling to see Dune in 70mm Imax, and I saw neopixels on the shelves. I got myself 8mm diffused leds, a x24 neopixel ring, and a 16x32 matrix. it'd be nice to see more makerspace stores. Bestbuy should pivot their stores to be more maker friendly.

[slender haven]

Sounds like you want to reinvent 80s RadioShack 😄

[torn hollow]

I mean, if Bestbuy is getting rid of physical dvds and games they could at least stock something like the raspberrypi and arduino aisle at Microcenter.

[thorny sandal]

@fair summit Hello, i got a circuit board for circuit playground. Is there a channel for this?

Sorry for pinging you by the way.

[fair summit]

what sw are you going to run on it? CircuitPython, Arduino, or MakeCode, and what kind of Circuit Playground is it: Express, classic or Bluefruit?

it says on the back

[thorny sandal]

Express, and makecode

[fair summit]

#help-with-makecode but there aren't many people in there. There is also a MakeCode forum: https://forum.makecode.com/

we do have quite a few tutorials in the Learn system: https://learn.adafruit.com/category/makecode

[thorny sandal]

Ah, thanks so much!

Sorry im new with all this.

[fair summit]

np

[rapid geode]

they need space for guitars... 9or is that venture gone already?)

[tranquil swallow]

i wouldnt mind guitars

throw in some working amps so I can annoy the entire store with my stilted rendition of smoke on the water

[fair summit]

NO STAIRWAY

[late fulcrum]

Denied!

[thorny sandal]

@fair summit i basically made a spin the bottle code!

[fair summit]

makecode is really easy to get started with!

[thorny sandal]

i used the js section.

not the blocks lmao

[thorny sandal]

it's pretty easy to me !

@fair summit wanna review my code?

[fair summit]

nope, I'm not familiar with the JS. I did introduce MakeCode blocks to a bunch of HS students just last week

[ebon dew]

@hard estuary No wonder I didn't get a notification for the new bootloader episode. It's not on youtube. Are you not syndicating to Youtube anymore?

I found it here though. https://www.circuitpythonshow.com/@thebootloader

There seems to be a problem with it. It only plays the first 6:30 no matter the platform. Might be someting wrong with the encoding?

[hard estuary]

I'm away from home today, but I will look tomorrow. Thank you for pointing that out

[fathom shoal]

I’m going to be giving a short talk at Teardown2024 in Portland this summer! I think my write up on Adafruit Playground helped make for a convincing talk proposal! Links below! ⬇️

https://www.crowdsupply.com/teardown/portland-2024/short-talk/making-puppy-buttons

https://www.crowdsupply.com/teardown/portland-2024

[glad ruin]

Ooh I might be able to go to that.

It's like an hour train ride for me.

[dusty citrus]

Why I can get "free" and fast shipping from AliExpress/cn, but not with externals like jlc, pine and so on?

[rapid geode]

free shipping is a lie.

its just blended in the price

also... italy

just be happy anyone ships to you at all 😛

[dusty citrus]

Likely, but yet stuff it's somehow least expensive

But AliExpress is a weird place, whole boards that cost 1/5 of the main mcu

[dusty citrus]

I recently got butthurt for a german that won't ship to italy, and that in the Balkans they get AliExpress/cn stuff in just 7 days

[rapid geode]

aliexpress usually comes here 4-7 days

depends what you pick for method of course

digikey comes next morning

[dusty citrus]

Lucky. I need to wait like 14 days on average.
But I can't complain, not too long ago was like 3/2 months

[rapid geode]

jlcpcb stuff in the mail. should arrive mid to late next week

yeah. used to take 2 weeks to mail something in the same city in canada

so, be happy

also, elext better governments over there

hehehe

anyhow

[dusty citrus]

There are too many old people, and mafia is at the top, not in the streets

[tardy badger]

I got my PCBs in but unfortunately JLCPCB forgot the stencil I ordered 😒

[rapid geode]

doh

[tardy badger]

Wait, apparently there’s a second box on the shipment that is still coming 🙃

They only moved the PCBs through..

But it says both were delivered 🤔

[rapid geode]

hm

mines still in the mail

[tardy badger]

I think DHL has messed up somehow

Idk, shipping is weird..

[jagged citrus]

bwomp, ive only ordered once from JLC and it took ages to arrive

is that a feather btw?

[tardy badger]

Yeah

FPGA Feather

[jagged citrus]

nice

[tardy badger]

In other news, I got my BGA samd51 feather working

Lots of space for more things too

[rapid geode]

like an fpga

:x

[tardy badger]

Yup lol

[rapid geode]

what mcu is with the fpga?

2040/

[tardy badger]

There are tons of open pins too which means I could do so wild things.

On the FPGA feather, just an FT232H usb interface chip

[rapid geode]

oh, so its just an fpga

[tardy badger]

Yeah

[rapid geode]

what is your intended use?

[glad ruin]

Uhh... FPGA development?

[rapid geode]

shhh

[tardy badger]

It’s mostly focused on education and helping create a board that is easy to access, combine with tons of feather wings

[rapid geode]

ah ok

[tardy badger]

That way you can learn to write different protocol interfaces like I2C, SPI, parallel bus, UART, etc..

[rapid geode]

ethercat?

[tardy badger]

Sure

[rapid geode]

anyhow. i dont know enough about this to even ask questions ha\

i know it gets used in servo drives and io apps

[glad ruin]

For something like a servo controller it makes a lot of sense due to the ability to implement as many timers as you need.

Handling protocol translation with low (and predictable!) latency is also useful.

[jagged citrus]

so this is adafruits first product huh

[tardy badger]

Yup

[jagged citrus]

any plans to remake or re-release this gizmo?

or is it just part of adafruit history

[tardy badger]

Probably just part of history

[ebon dew]

I have faith in your hand pasting skills. You got this. It is a lot of work but it's doable... how many boards are we talking about here though?

[tardy badger]

I have 20 of those lol

I’ll just wait in the second part of the shipment to get here

[tardy badger]

Quiet Friday night

[tranquil swallow]

I don’t have anything cool to contribute, I’m just shocked at the poverty of software for the iPad relative to its compute

[golden edge]

Can anyone find the product in this video on the site?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1RlHjUq2iE

[ebon dew]

These type of things are usually a sneak peak. If you read the YouTube video description it says coming soon to the adafruit shop....

If you go to https://www.adafruit.com/new you can see there's no new listing for it yet.

It's so new it hasn't even been added to the store yet. 😉

[golden edge]

Thanks!

[dusty citrus]

Outside of open/simplecv or related, I have no way to check the windows of a browser?
Current issue: we use chrome to display stuff in a commercial area. Sometimes randomly, chrome opens two windows, one with the correct thing, and on top of it, a white chrome page, that covers the thing.
This happens with every chrome based browser and even firefox. I can't find what's up with it.
I thought at first to check with python how many windows are open, but the number of processes =! Number of opened windows

[fair summit]

are you already using kiosk mode in these browsers? Maybe the website is doing something strange? I assume you have disabled popups in the browser

[dusty citrus]

We tried both the kiosk mode and without. Currently they're all without the kiosk because it's really limited.
Pop ups are disabled, we disabled even updates, but at any random time, it keeps open this blank window on top the other

I haven't really followed through the case, as my partners, but currently they're literally closing the white window by hand

[fair summit]

is the entire window white or is it the page contents? If you do "Show source" would it be blank?

this might be a network problem

all-white, some people suggest turning off hw acceleration, but I'm not sure that's the issue here

if firefox is doing the same thing, I think that points to something external to the browsers

[dusty citrus]

What you mean by show source? I have not a pc at hand
Actually the pcs are all in a closed Network without access to the internet
The system that they use is pure garbage as they bind the correct webpage with cookies and hostnames

[fair summit]

ctrl-U in a browser window will show the HTML source

there's probably some menu command for that too

the website is garbage or the kiosk OS is garbage? Not sure what is garbage 🙂

[dusty citrus]

Ah I tried to launch the dev tools ctrl shif I (if memory doesn't lie to me) and it literally does nothing on it
The only thing that you can do is closing the window or rebooting

If chrome is unresponsive

[dusty citrus]

Both. But the website/management is one of it's kind

And it did cost like 500k
(Somehow public stuff cost a lot, and they always delivere garbage)

[tranquil swallow]

Quid pro quo I’m guessing

[dusty citrus]

(as our "service" tbh)

[fair summit]

sounds like an issue to be brought up with the provider of the whole system, could be anything

[dusty citrus]

It's such a mess with sourcing that there's like no provider, nobody has responsibilities

[fair summit]

ok, this is a management problem 🙂

[dusty citrus]

So anyway, outside of image recognition libs, there's nothing else that I can use?

[fair summit]

? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68923353/chrome-extension-get-display-information-of-active-screen

[dusty citrus]

I ll have a look thanks

[tranquil swallow]

Opencv sounds overkill imo

[jagged citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

cant remove onedrive folder

[glad ruin]

#help-with-projects is sort of the catch-all.

[hard estuary]

Thanks again for letting me know - th episode definitely hangs, I opened an issue with my podcast host. I forgot about YouTube, I'll get the audio up tomorrow I hope

[ebon dew]

Glad it wasn't just me. I thought I was doing something wrong at first.

[tardy badger]

Time to spread managed democracy

[glad ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/helldiver-helldivers-2-gif-1471368634578542573

Join the Heckdivers today (or whenever it goes on sale on steam).

Unrelated:
https://vxtwitter.com/geerlingguy/status/1774063671037026495

[dire bramble]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4741

does anyone know where adafruit actually sources these from? trade secret?

was able to find very similar parts on aliexpress, but i still don't know the supplier they come from

[solar kindle]

As far as I can tell, the display module by itself is an SSD1327Z made by ShineWorld Innovations (https://www.swicn.com/amp/product-by-subcategory/5) and the board is an Adafruit design (https://learn.adafruit.com/assets/96789).

[hasty quarry]

How would you explain to someone what left and right mean with words alone

Is that even possible

I feel like it’s like trying to describe a primary color to someone who hasn’t seen it

[umbral phoenix]

right-handed, left-handed?

equate it to some sensory input... eye, ear, touch

or relative to fixed directions... facing north, east is right

[blissful roost]

All of which are examples of left/right.. without defining which is left or right. lol

[blissful roost]

But then they need a compass. 😅

[whole jacinth]

most humans have their heart on the left side of their chest

[blissful roost]

On both hands, make an L-shape with your index finger and thumb.

[umbral phoenix]

Dictionary uses relationship to fixed directions

[blissful roost]

The one that looks like an L, is left..

[whole jacinth]

that doesn’t work for many dyslexic people, i’ve heard

[blissful roost]

Palms down, obvs

[blissful roost]

That's a horrible word!

[solar kindle]

Right: 90° clockwise from the direction facing or traveling
Left: 90° counterclockwise from the direction facing or traveling

[blissful roost]

Which way is counter-clockwise?? Left or right?

😛

[ebon dew]

give someone a nut and a bolt and tell them it will only tighten by rotating it to the right

[whole jacinth]

clockwise can be derived from the direction of movement of a shadow of a vertical object, if you know your hemisphere

[blissful roost]

It's upside-down...

[ebon dew]

then the nut is rotating to the right...

[blissful roost]

😉

[whole jacinth]

and some joker will have a left-hand thread bolt and nut lying around

[ebon dew]

pfft plumbers

[blissful roost]

As you mention that....... trollololol

[ebon dew]

this is why the world needs standards. right threads only from now on.

[hasty quarry]

From the top or bottom of the nut? And what do top and bottom mean?

[whole jacinth]

up/down are easier to define in terms of gravity, unless you’re somehow weightless

[ebon dew]

did the chicken or egg come first

[blissful roost]

Yes, there are standard thread pitches for both left and right. 😄

[hasty quarry]

I actually think argon’s heart example is the most compelling, that’s conveniently asymmetrical about us

[hasty quarry]

If physics taught me anything, calling down the positive direction changes nothing

[solar kindle]

Never much liked the "rotate left/right" thing. What does left mean to something going around in a circle?

[ebon dew]

there is no up without down

something is never upside-down unless you know which side is up or down.

[whole jacinth]

if you’re lucky, parts with left-hand threads are identified with a molded or cut marking

[ebon dew]

if you start seeing a bolt go in at an odd angle... it's ok just twist harder it'll go in.

[slender haven]

Tighten it until it strips then back off a quarter turn.

[dusty citrus]

Ha, I know three languages, and in all nobody can understand me when I talk.

[blissful roost]

I understand 3 languages; English, Bad English.. and American. 😛

[fast ferry]

I think you have to define your audience. if your audience is people who understand your language and are standing in front of a sign explaining and labeling its left and right bits, it gets easier.

[rapid geode]

i understand fringlish

[night crescent]

Desk of Ladyada - Camera Bell & C6 Feather https://youtu.be/l8cjQtB02tE

Finalized testing for Camera PiCowbell, connecting DVP cameras to RP2040 Pico with CircuitPython code. Starting ESP32-C6 Feather bring-up, testing GPIO, NeoPixel, I2C, and more. Also exploring 1% through-hole resistor kits on The Great Search.

[tardy badger]

Some of the funny videos I see these days involve back and forth arguments about how Americans say particular words wrong, and then Americans saying “sure, we’ll pronounce those words properly when you pronounce these other words properly.” Great comedy for me lol

[blissful roost]

I made the mistake of marrying an American, so I have enough experience. 😛

[rapid geode]

there are no words americans pronounce properly

[tardy badger]

You’ve not been to enough of America

You can travel 100 miles and hear the same word pronounced two different ways lol

[rapid geode]

or spell

:x

hehe

[tardy badger]

No English speaking country gets it right lol

Especially Canada

[rapid geode]

no, we are perfect

in every way

😛

[late fulcrum]

Stick with Icelandic.

[tardy badger]

Personally, I want to learn one of the indigenous African clicking languages.

[rapid geode]

ha. that seems not possible in my head

[tardy badger]

It is probably really hard if you don’t grow up with it

[rapid geode]

its not just different words like german or french. its a different concept of language

[tardy badger]

Yeah

I’d love to learn Saami

[rapid geode]

japanese and chinese people have a hard time with romantic languages (and the other way round) cause its not a simple straight translation

[tardy badger]

My maternal great grand parents would have been Saami when they lived in Finland

[rapid geode]

i ask my friend what they speak in nigeria and she was like.. we have 1000 languages...

that must be hard to manage

[late fulcrum]

Saami is a beautiful language, I just have little opportunity to practise it.

[whole jacinth]

Finnish is already plenty hard to learn, and Saami, though somewhat related, is harder to find resources for

[tardy badger]

I couldn’t imagine having to switch up a dozen languages in a day

[rapid geode]

canada has hundreds of languages, but we only "officially" use 2

[tardy badger]

I imagine most speak a common tongue with regional dialects

[rapid geode]

3 if you count french (not quebec)

[tardy badger]

The reason for this is the language was banned for some time

The Saami were treated very poorly.

[whole jacinth]

yeah, most of the countries where they historically lived tried to wipe out their culture

[rapid geode]

sounds like a british thing to do :x

[blissful roost]

For the Empire!!

coughs

I mean.. err...

[tardy badger]

The Saami have been incredibly resilient though ❤️

[rapid geode]

canada should try to conquer someone. how bout alaska?

haha

[tardy badger]

Lol, gotta beat Russia to it

[rapid geode]

hmm. maybe we can steal greenland

[tardy badger]

Greenland is really fascinating

[glad ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-divers-helldivers-helldivers-2-democracy-gif-7174410280813818878

[rapid geode]

there were talks (i dont know if they were ever serious) about iceland joining canada.

[blissful roost]

I just finished playing HD2 with my bro. 😛

[rapid geode]

like 20 years ago

[tardy badger]

You never finish spreading managed democracy

[rapid geode]

the last thing we appropriated was newfoundland from the uk

[tardy badger]

I had considered playing today but got busy

[blissful roost]

We ran out of bul... democracy seeds.

[rapid geode]

ha

[tardy badger]

Lol

[blissful roost]

😄

[glad ruin]

I want to get it, but don't know how well it runs in proton and am not a fan of creating an account with sony.

[tardy badger]

You don’t have to link it to a PlayStation account

[blissful roost]

Account? 🧐

You don't. 😉

[tardy badger]

You just need steam

[blissful roost]

^+1

That did get my back up at first, but you can happily skip it.

[tardy badger]

I already had a Sony PlayStation account before so I linked it 🤷‍♂️

[glad ruin]

Is it required for coop?

[tardy badger]

Nope

Just a steam account

[glad ruin]

hmm

[tardy badger]

It’s worth it

[glad ruin]

[tardy badger]

I haven’t had as much fun in a game in a while

[ebon dew]

I've been using openai more frequently. Sometimes it can produce code that is years more advanced than my hand coding skills. This has allowed me to build scripts that I would have never attempted before. It's also refined code snippets I've been using for years to be far more efficient.

[patent hemlock]

trust nothing, verify everything

[glad ruin]

And uh... don't use an LLM that was trained unethically.

[bright veldt]

Just like how the extinction of dinosaurs allowed the proliferation of mammals and their potential unlocked to the fullest, would the sane thing happen for AI when humans go extinct?

[patent hemlock]

only if it reached the stage where it was truly self-replicating all by itself (e.g. no humands to fix machines)

[glad ruin]

It's... largely an irrelevant question at this point for the reason that Ed mentioned. Also, LLMs are incapable of 'thinking' critically. The fact that they can produce output in different tones which gives the illusion of 'intelligence' is a byproduct of the immense amount of training data scraped off the internet and nothing else.

[jagged citrus]

Today is silly day my fellow adafolk, dont let yourself be fooled. Remember to double check

[blissful roost]

I need help... 😅

I just purchased 2x Milk-V Duo S boards... ☺️

I really should stop ordering stuff I don't need. Lol

[jagged citrus]

It took me a while to find a picture of a smoking skeleton that wasnt ai generated

[ebon dew]

https://tenor.com/view/george-bush-fool-me-once-brave-gif-12227074

[jagged citrus]

Ive been fooled

[quaint marsh]

You saw my little humidity tracking website the other night- the JavaScript was all done by chatGPT because the amount of my life I want to spend doing JavaScript is zero. Chatgpt already knew about a JavaScript library that does what I needed, and it spit out some template code with my values filled in.

Saved me hours, nothing became sentient.

[patent hemlock]

"nothing became sentient" -- are you sure about that? 😈

[quaint marsh]

My JavaScript:

[rapid geode]

got mah buttons in. whee. just waiting for the pcbs now.

[rapid geode]

so, someone point me to a little neopixel on a mini break out with a screw hole ideally.

hm. maybe i should just use a 5mm.

[rapid geode]

perfect. ha

[orchid abyss]

totally didnt expect to see you here

hi

[blissful roost]

https://tenor.com/view/spanish-inquisition-gif-22846636

[dusty citrus]

Hm somehow gpt output is faster without an account vs with one

[jagged citrus]

no thanks

i already play enough gacha games

why would anyone want gambling in their chatting app!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!?!?!

ah wait

https://tenor.com/view/skull-explode-gif-25528415

ive been giga-fooled

[glad ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-the-dark-knight-rises-now-is-not-the-time-for-fear-that-comes-later-tom-hardy-gif-21912826

[jagged citrus]

just rewatched that movie yesterday

[glad ruin]

https://media.tenor.com/76wjWCLlBdIAAAAC/batman-bane.gif

[jagged citrus]

well, im a clown now

anyways just cause im on a clown and batman mood i changed my pfp to the jonkler

i must jonkle

[eternal walrus]

Anyone knows if there are any other 802.11ah / HaLow chipsets out there besides the Newracom NRC7292, Morse Micro MM6108, TaiXin Semi TXW8301 (TXW83xx) (and the supposed Texas Instruments CC1352P)?

I can't get the NRC7292 driver to work over USB, the TaiXin chip seems to be only sold in the China configuration (can't change to EU frequencies) and Morse Micro just isn't selling their chip(??) 😭

[tardy badger]

DHL is just dropping the ball.. my order had 2 pieces coming from JLCPCB, both cleared customs. Only one left Ohio and was delivered.. yet the stencil just sits in Ohio, hasn’t moved all weekend. 🙃

[rapid geode]

doh

mine says arrived in canada

but not dhl i dont think

was the prepaid duty slow service

[burnt tendon]

I didn't realize that JLCPCB was making balls these days.

[tardy badger]

They just rolled out the service

[honest trail]

I'm trying to understand this pinout. Is this saying that the board has 2 sets of SPI pins? One set on the left, one set on the right?

[glad ruin]

You'd have to look at the pin muxing tables in the datasheet to be sure, but it looks like it has a single SPI interface, but several of the signals can be routed to different GPIOs.

[honest trail]

Oh I see. So I can have one SPI device, but there's some flexibility to where I plug in. Then in my firmware (say MicroPython), when I utilize their SPI code, that initializes SPI on those pins. Is that vaguely correct?

[glad ruin]

It should, although which set of pins it defaults to is anybody's guess.

[tardy badger]

I love democracy

And spreading it for super earth

https://tenor.com/view/helldiver-helldivers-helldivers2-chestbump-flag-gif-2708234001444907997

[umbral phoenix]

@honest trail think there are up to 4 SPI busses, but some may be used for PSRAM, flash, etc. You can use virtually any pins you want for SPI.

[honest trail]

I heard that unless you use the right pins, you're doing "software spi" rather than "hardware spi", is that true?

[umbral phoenix]

not 100% positive, but I don't think so. see p.24 https://www.espressif.com/sites/default/files/documentation/esp32-s2_datasheet_en.pdf

[honest trail]

hmm, I don't quite understand what that graph is saying, but I might as well just try to hook up this OLED and see what happens! 🙏 thanks

[umbral phoenix]

@honest trail not a MicroPython expert, but looks like there may be some limitations https://docs.micropython.org/en/latest/esp32/quickref.html#hardware-spi-bus ...in any case, for a small display, I can't se that it would make much difference

oh, but that's ESP32

yeah, looks like the ESP32 was more limited than the ESP32-S2 as far as pin-mux-ing

When an SPI Host is set to 80 MHz or lower frequencies, routing SPI pins via the GPIO matrix will behave the same compared to routing them via IOMUX.

https://docs.espressif.com/projects/esp-idf/en/latest/esp32s2/api-reference/peripherals/spi_master.html#gpio-matrix-and-io-mux

[honest trail]

so just use any old unused GPIO and it's all good (especially to drive an OLED)

i really appreciate you helping me out, thanks

[thorny sandal]

@stuck moth

Question.

[ebon dew]

Some boards have multiple SPI buses. Multiple SPI pins listed could be either separate SPI buses or 1 bus with different available pins as Herr Brain said. You have to figure out which. That pretty pin diagram isn't as clear about it as newer pretty pin diagrams for buses. Newer diagrams will label them as SPI0 and SPI1 if they're separate buses. The documentation for the Adafruit Feather ESP32-S2 could be improved in this regard.

[honest trail]

I got it working. I think the case is, there are two busses and either can be used on either set of pins, it comes down to how you initialize those pins with whatever firmware platform you're using (I'm using MicroPython). So I tell it, "use bus 2, with pins X, Y, Z"

[ebon dew]

Yep, so this is an example of 2 SPI buses not being mentioned in the pretty pins diagram.

The same is true for multiple I2C buses which are also not listed.

I will leave some feedback to have the diagram updated.

[umbral phoenix]

it's trickier to cast it in stone for espressif boards because the pins are not fixed to peripherals like rp2040 boards... almost any pin can be any almost any peripheral

[hot mesa]

has anyone written or seen a rust library for the Adafruit RP2040 CAN Bus Feather?

[tardy badger]

I have not

Also, hopefully all our Taiwanese friends are safe following the 7.4 magnitude earthquake that hit Hualien City, and the subsequent 6.5 and 5.7 magnitude aftershocks 😞

[patent hemlock]

Microsoft is developing an Xbox AI Chatbot -- geez, talk about "would you like to play a game" 🤣

[rapid geode]

saw a picture of a knocked over building. seems pretty bad

[tardy badger]

Yeah, thankfully Taiwanese engineering has led to there being minimal structural damage for the most part. But any loss of life and property is sad

[severe gale]

Quick python question: I'd like to write a function to decode DIMM part numbers to a class with all of the stick information. I'd like to aviod costly string operations, and I don't need string insert/delete as provided in other matching algorithms (eg, Levenshtien distance).
I'm normally biased against regex for lack of maintainability, but is regex matching the best option in this case?

[fair summit]

This looks pretty straightforward. I would do this with regexp groups (parens) to parse each piece. Depending on how you make the info available, you could then use a dict for each extracted group value

[severe gale]

That's exactly what I ended up doing. Since I can control the input value every time, I don't think regex will be too much of an issue

[urban arrow]

When you have "too much" Adafruit stuff. I looked all over last night and this morning since I was certain I had a nice Feather ESP32s2 "somewhere"... FINALLY found it underneath my FeatherWing CapTouch shield. Simply forgot where I was using it...

[patent hemlock]

what i like is digging through a drawer of stuff and going "wait, when did i get that?"

[rapid geode]

wooooo

[slender haven]

all my good stuff is still "has left canada customs and is en route" which means "sometime between tomorrow and next month"

[blissful roost]

I'm still waiting on a shipping update for my 2x Milk-V Duo S.

[tardy badger]

My back after assembling boards

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-thor-chris-hemsworth-infinity-war-my-back-gif-12272823

I think I need either a pick n place or a taller bench lol

[rapid geode]

ha

[neat tartan]

Are there plans to sell the RPi Zero 2 WH (the one with headers)? The RPi Zero WH exists (https://www.adafruit.com/product/3708), but I can only find the RPi Zero W, without headers (https://www.adafruit.com/product/5291)

[rapid geode]

i think they need to get the regular pi zero 2 in the first place. never been in stock whenever i look

oh, its in stock

ha

!!!

[late fulcrum]

You can always add headers. Looks like AdaFruit will have solderless headers soon https://media.computerfairi.es/cache/media_attachments/files/112/181/590/411/600/626/original/e36aae187695fd14.mp4

[next path]

Hey all, not sure where to ask this in the myriad of generous #help channels. Does anyone have a recommended budget method of sniffing USB packets from a random source to reverse engineer it? It's specifically all HID if that makes it any easier.

[late fulcrum]

Fire up your app under VirtualBox and turn on USB monitoring?

[whole jacinth]

there's supposedly a way to use Wireshark to do USB protocol captures, but i haven't tried it yet. there are hardware protocol analyzers, which can be very good, but they're usually expensive

[next path]

@late fulcrum what app?

I'm curious what hardware might interface with wireshark

also curious what hardware might be worth fiddling with

[whole jacinth]

i think Linux has a virtual network interface that captures USB protocol messages, and Wireshark uses that

i think the USB Beagle (several models) is a fairly good hardware analyzer, if somewhat expensive

[lapis anchor]

the Great Scott Gadgets team (behind GreatFET One and HackRF) has the Cynthion project up on CrowdSupply that might a good option. ETA for shipping June 2024 - https://www.crowdsupply.com/great-scott-gadgets/cynthion

[next path]

@lapis anchor it's like I asked a question and the crowd funding gods heard my plea

😲

Lol

Bookmarked for the morning

Thank you!!

[whole jacinth]

macOS supposedly also lets you use Wireshark to capture USB traffic, but it requires turning off a lot of security protections

[next path]

Who needs security? Lol

Can it do it without external hardware @whole jacinth ?

That would be legit. I've got a Mac and would love to do this for free lol

Also without the headache of additional hardware. Cost aside

[whole jacinth]

yeah the general way it works is by having the device plugged into a port on the host that’s running Wireshark. monitoring traffic between an arbitrary host and device is what you want something like the Beagle (or Cynthion?) for

[next path]

?

So I can't just sniff my own USB traffic without an external piece of hardware?

[whole jacinth]

if you’re running Wireshark, it’ll sniff traffic between the host you’re running Wireshark on and some device

[next path]

Like my own keyboard?

[whole jacinth]

yeah

[next path]

Or an Xbox adaptive controller?

[whole jacinth]

in theory. i haven’t tried this personally

[next path]

No cynthion device required?

Hmm

Do you know who might have more hands on experience with this?

I appreciate your help but I'd also love input from people with hand on experience with it. Not sure where to look for people with hands on USB reverse engineering

[tardy badger]

You could probably just use wireshark on a raspberry pi or beaglebone

With raspberry pi you get the advantage of a GUI

[whole jacinth]

https://superuser.com/questions/873896/wireshark-usb-traces-explanations makes it sound like the Wireshark capture is at the IRP/URB level (the host kernel’s abstraction for talking to its actual USB host hardware), so it’s not as complete as what the Beagle would give you (you’d miss NAK/ACK traffic, etc), but might still be good enough for reverse engineering

[dull ridge]

Say, if you wanted to make a guide, where do you go to get the circut diagrams? I've been looking around for a creator, but no luck so far

[jagged citrus]

Remember to open discord lootboxes to claim the clown makeup before its gone

[ebon dew]

I didn't need lootboxes in games and I certainly don't need them in Discord.

[ebon dew]

Which diagrams? For an Adafruit product or a different manufacturer?

Adafruit diagrams are usually in the main learn guide for a product. There's usually a downloads section in the learn guide and that has all the PCB files and wiring schematics.

[jagged citrus]

Its an april fools joke 😒

[jagged citrus]

Guess im the only clown

[fair summit]

Do you mean schematic diagrams or "fritzing" diagrams (those are the pictures of breadboards and boards with colored wire connections)?

[late fulcrum]

Whatever app whose USB behaviour you're trying to analyze

[lean rain]

Any ideas on when the Solderless Headers (non-pi) are going to be in the store?

[fair summit]

we don't predict this kind of thing; there isn't a "Coming Soon" yet

[dull ridge]

Fritzing diagrams, a lot of the guides have a simplified diagram showing how things are wired up in terms of switches, data pins and the like.

Figured if i wanted to make sure noone else has to go through all the trouble of what I did, I should make something that helps

[fair summit]

This is really old but might help: https://learn.adafruit.com/using-the-adafruit-library-with-fritzing

[dull ridge]

kk, thanks!

Hm...apparently Fritzing costs money now, dang

[patent hemlock]

sharing a quote anonymously:

word

[patent hemlock]

kicad?

[fair summit]

you can download an older release here: https://github.com/fritzing/fritzing-app/releases/tag/CD-498

[jagged citrus]

i looked into mestastic, pretty neat project, and i discovered that there was a single node in my city

lets just say i know what board ill be making next

[tardy badger]

Wow, I love democracy

https://tenor.com/view/democracy-helldivers-intensifies-freedom-helldivers-2-gif-1202998951342753696

[next path]

Was looking at that myself

I was thinking about getting a dozen boards and plugging them into my wife's workplaces which are scattered around my city lol

would probably be enough to bootstrap a solid mesh if I got one more person interested

[jagged citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/samuraichamploo-gif-20957870

Yeah seems like a good idea

Sadly there are probably like 3 people here in chile interested and im one of them

So making a mesh like that is impossible for me

Maybe ill try to make it some day

[ebon dew]

Well now you can make one and there will be 2?

[jagged citrus]

Yeh

[jagged citrus]

Ok so my country uses 433mhz and 915mhz

Which one do i pick

[fair summit]

which country?

[jagged citrus]

Chile

[median tangle]

Hello guys

[fair summit]

and 433 is not ham-license only?

[median tangle]

Great project great potential you have here

[jagged citrus]

Im not sure, theres very little info i could find

[fair summit]

so 433 is going to go farther and be less impeded by objects. It will need larger antennas (longer wavelength)

[jagged citrus]

Hmmm yeah i was thinking that

Ill pick 433

[fair summit]

I'm looking...

don't order yet

[jagged citrus]

Okok

I was planning on ordering next week

[fair summit]

Did you already wander around https://www.subtel.gob.cl/. I also did a site search: https://www.google.com/search?q=433+mhz+site%3Asubtel.gob.cl and https://www.google.com/search?q=433+mhz+site%3A*.cl. But Spanish is not my second language 🙂

[jagged citrus]

No, but i knew SUBTEL was where i should be looking

Found it, first result

[fair summit]

so it's OK?

[jagged citrus]

Yup

Article K is about iot devices

And there in the list of frequencies is 433 and 915

[fair summit]

excellent

[jagged citrus]

So, 433 it is

[slender haven]

433 is open in europe, 915 in north america.

Products like Crossfire and ELRS, which are long range radio control systems, use one or the other, depending on the country sold in

Same for LoRa devices.

[fair summit]

This is south america, which is region 2, but it appears the Chilean regulations allow ti

[ebon dew]

So I bought a finishing palm sander in 2015 and never actually used it. Took it out of the box today to sand some shelves. The rubber sanding pad sheared off from dry rot after about 5 seconds of use. 😣 It took 9 years to get up the motivation to sand something and now I can't.

[young vapor]

Hi, I'm looking for advice, I'm doing WiFi weather stations, I'm looking for a case that would be located outside and have a PCB board with sensors on board, what material would be the best, I thought to cut some plexiglass but I don't know. I don't have 3d printer so can't use printed parts. Any ideas?

[ebon dew]

@young vapor Look for something that has a weatherproof o-ring/seal and cable glands.

Adafruit does sell something like that. https://www.adafruit.com/product/3931

and here's a project that uses it. looks like it can squeeze a feather doubler inside, just the right size for most wireless sensor projects. https://learn.adafruit.com/diy-air-quality-monitor

Brent drilled air holes into the enclosure which would be a receipe for eventual rust and failure in a tropical climate. If air can get in, so can humidity & moisture. Look into an external outdoor temp sensor like this https://www.adafruit.com/product/4099

[young vapor]

Thanks I appreciate

[stiff bough]

Is there a way to know if and when a product will be back in stock?

[umbral phoenix]

generally, no, but you can subscribe to the back-in-stock notifications

[tardy badger]

It feels good to ship orders

[jagged citrus]

btw ill be getting the heltec lora 32 v3

[jagged citrus]

strange question

but

how do i do that

i wanna eventually sell my boards as well

[tardy badger]

Start a Tindie shop

Or lectronz shop

[jagged citrus]

oooooh right tindie

[tardy badger]

Great way to see if it’s something you want to do. Pretty hassle free

[rapid geode]

are those anti static bags?

[tardy badger]

They are

You can buy them super cheap

[rapid geode]

ah nice

cause i will be selling off my spare nes boars eventually. granted they dont have any components on them so maybe it doesnt matter

is tindie a good place for them? i notices the board i based mine off is on there. ha

[jagged citrus]

you should talk to the original creator

[rapid geode]

i left their logo on it. im not really sure what the "rules" are. his was just an nes board with a different pinout. mines shanged the pinout again, and the outline, and the hole pattern

[rapid geode]

shipping costs more than the pcb. ha. good times

see an issue?

😛

and thats just to ship locally

to europe is $36

[vestal pier]

Anyone else enjoy the NJ earthquake this morning?

[wanton thistle]

We just got an aftershock at 6pm

[ebon dew]

April 1st was a couple days ago. This seems odd enough that no one would actually believe it even on April 1st.

[wanton thistle]

Its real
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us7000ma74/executive

[jagged citrus]

Imagine here in chile, shipping has got to be like 3x the board itself

[rapid geode]

tell me what it says https://everythingbutpizza.etsy.com/listing/1709622309

😛

its $30 to nz

i expect chile to be less, i hope

[jagged citrus]

uh

"theres been a problem calculating the shipping costs, try again later"

[shadow siren]

@tardy badger where is your board being sold

[tardy badger]

The fpga feather? https://www.oakdev.tech/store/p25/IcyBlue_FPGA_V2.html#/

[rapid geode]

doh!

[rapid geode]

ooh, spendy. is that cause the fpga is expensive, or mostly cause its expensive to make a small amount?

[tardy badger]

A mix of both. $28 parts cost, building in the time it takes to build, assemble, support, restock, replacements for of someone gets a bad board.

[rapid geode]

ah cool

[tardy badger]

The next FPGA feather I’m making will be.. above $125

Mostly because the FPGA chip itself costs like $40+

[rapid geode]

oof

hehe

[rapid geode]

can you see the screw up?

😛

[tardy badger]

Too big of an area for the RPi?

[rapid geode]

nah

i missed the edge of the stock

[tardy badger]

Ah

[rapid geode]

doesnt matter, just cosmetic

[rapid geode]

woo

[tardy badger]

Nice

[rapid geode]

it even closes haha

although i need the screws in to really be sure theres no interference

[tardy badger]

Fingers crossed it all works

[rapid geode]

i have to order screws from mcmaster. thats gonna cost like $50

bah

button head torx

stainless steel

thats all i could find that would fit...

[dusty citrus]

I just noticed this out of mu window

[ebon dew]

direct 3-phase without a transformer?

[shadow siren]

The transformer could be farther up the line and service more than one house

[dusty citrus]

I dunno, I don't quite like the joints. The construction workers from the construction site in front of this "new" pole, literally jump around platforms without any kind of safety 😬

[young vapor]

Hi, has anyone used an Mq135 sensor with 3.3v? (esp 32) I'm making a meteo station that is supposed to transmit data every 10min. In datasheet I saw it supposed to be 5v.

[blissful roost]

Where's mine???

[topaz juniper]

uh oh

[patent hemlock]

no problem here -- you may have just hit a glitch -- 💩 happens

[rapid geode]

coming soon

[slender haven]

Its loading real slow here, but it did load.

[ebon dew]

Used my brothers old belt sander after getting some new belts for it. It was questionably old and rusty. Broke it on the first use. Aluminum drive sprocket exploded into shrapnel inside the cover. That's 2 sanders I've broken this week. I just want to sand some wood is that too much to ask?

Bought a cheapy belt sander. I only need to sand 1 board. Just 1 board.

[pallid sundial]

Anyone here ever used multiwii software?

[slender haven]

oh man, THATS a blast from the past.

I won't squash your dreams of using it, but take it from me, you'll NEVER get a good flying drone using it 😄 Modern Betaflight and INAV have supplanted whole fields of knowledge since MultiWii.

It's not even a fair comparison.. It's a 73 Pinto to a BMW i4 M50..

If you have visions of building your own flight controller from scratch, you still can. Modern FCs are just STM32F405,411,7xx MCUs with SPI IMUs attached.

[tardy badger]

Harbor freight?

[tardy badger]

73 pinto, a bomb on wheels

My parents had a 77 with a license plate floorboard 😂

[ebon dew]

No just an old Black & Decker BR300. It's probably 15 years old, rarely used, and rusty. It would cost me more to rejuvenate than to buy a new sander. Getting a cheapy SKIL of the same size so I can use the pack of belts I just bought.

[tardy badger]

Sorry, I was suggesting harbor freight for a cheap sander

I have a fairly cheap Ryobi sander. Works pretty well for my wood working needs

[ebon dew]

It was probably a step above harbor freight when it was new. Left to rust it just seized up and the sprocket gear turned itself into dust. It was quite impressive I should have taken a picture. Most of it turned into tiny bits of aluminum powder, cheap pot metal.

Ah, no I went with Amazon. I don't have a harbor freight near enough to make the trip worth it unless I'm going for a big item.

[tardy badger]

Ah gotcha

Same here. They did just open a Home Depot right up the road from me. Very dangerous for my wallet. Lol

It’s like.. 5 minutes from me 😅

[ebon dew]

I could have gone to home depot or Lowes yeah but as you said that's a dangerous excursion for the wallet sometimes.

[tardy badger]

But good news is I have a table saw and a miter saw now, and I built myself a workbench in my garage😅

[ebon dew]

I spent $200 on lumber alone. Just have to wear a hat and keep my eyes glued to the floor when I walk around. Basically need horse style blinders when walking through there. 😆

Heck yeah nice! I'm working on shelves but the sanding gods have seen fit to not allow me to sand. Broke 2 sanders in 1 week what are the odds.

[tardy badger]

Sounds like the universe is saying you need a table top belt sander

Or a planer

[ebon dew]

I did get the new pad in for the orbital finishing sander but I'd have to sit there for like 8 hours holding it on 1 spot to make a dent. I thought it would be much more powerful than it is. Even with 60 grit it's like wet sanding with 1200 grit. 😦

[tardy badger]

What are you sanding? Iron wood?

Walnut?

[ebon dew]

a table top belt sander would be the wrong approach for a 2x12, pine.

[tardy badger]

I’ve never heard of pine being stubborn sanding

What kind of pine?

[ebon dew]

I think it's just the palm sander. It's a finishing sander which I didn't know when I bought it. I was looking for a heavy duty orbital sander. It makes the top very very smooth and works great as a finishing sander though.

are there different types of pine? i dunno it's wood. 😛

[tardy badger]

Lol

[ebon dew]

I think I originally got it when I was going to strip and repaint my car. I didn't get it for wood.

[tardy badger]

Yeah, red pine, white pine, Nova Scotia pine

Black pine

[ebon dew]

probably regular white pine

[tardy badger]

Florida has tons of Australian pine (the tall pine trees that fall over if you so much as look at them wrong)

[ebon dew]

i didn't cut the tree down i don't know

[tardy badger]

If you got it from Home Depot or a lumber yard, it’s likely just red pine or Douglas fir

Douglas fir is a common wood for framing

[ebon dew]

got it from a local 84 Lumber kind of place. had it delivered so i didn't pick out the boards.

[tardy badger]

Looks like southern yellow pine

[ebon dew]

ok we'll go with that 🙂

[tardy badger]

Lol

[ebon dew]

cut it into a 4 foot section, probably weighs about 25lbs, 2x12's are heavy.

[tardy badger]

Very rugged though

[tardy badger]

Heh..

[ebon dew]

This is what happened to the old fiberboard shelf. Started creaking and breaking in the middle.

[tardy badger]

I discovered that Home Depot has a very nice prefabricated shelf section

Very nice shelves to hang on your wall

[ebon dew]

I had a lot of much heavier stuff on the shelf that I removed, it was worse than the picture shows too.

yeah umm that is a fiberboard shelf from home depot lol

[tardy badger]

Lol it’s a bit thin, and I personally would have used 3 brackets to hold it up

Over 2ft in length should have 3 brackets to be safe

[ebon dew]

probably would have been better to go with those laundry wire shelves. live and learn. over compensating with the 2x12 I know but I have a lot of heavy stuff to put on that shelf. Will be making a L bracket that attaches to the workbench from underneath so all the weight won't be on the shelf brackets.

yes and will be adding a 3rd bracket

[tardy badger]

Hard to beat a nice thick wood shelf

[ebon dew]

think i still have about 5 brackets left. after this one i intend to make an L shape and wrap it along the wall to the right too.

[tardy badger]

I’m a big fan

[ebon dew]

all storage depends on maximizing the amount of horizontal surfaces

because gravity

[tardy badger]

Yeah, gravity does get in the way a lot

[ebon dew]

well in space it's different, maybe maximizing perpendicular surfaces makes more sense.

yeah i could have probably avoided all this with 3 brackets 🤦

user error, bad design

[tardy badger]

Live and learn

Sonic adventure 2 taught me that

😅😂

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-shadow-sonic-adventure2-sa2-sonic-gif-25101633

[tranquil swallow]

Do you have a recommendation for a flight controller, really I have no idea when it comes to TX/RX

[slender haven]

I haven't been in it for a year or so, and the hobby moves fast. Anything at least F4 based, and even F4 is probably on its way out. Anything F7 based, you'd be safe. Matek and Mamba are good names. As for tx/rx, if you have nothing yet, go with an ELRS long range system, as it's just as good as crossfire (range measured in kms) but way cheaper and more open source. If you're in North America, 915MHz, if you're in EU, 433MHz.. if you're anywhere else, check your local regs to see which region you're in for things like LoRa, and that will be where you should go for ELRS.

I guess Diatone is still selling the Matek F405 line, so it hasn't moved on that much while I've been out.

[tardy badger]

Pokeball cake from Wish

Lol (I made it)

[ebon dew]

New belt sander came in. Chewed right through the sap in like 5 minutes. Can has sand!

[night crescent]

Desk of Ladyada - Infrared Testers & Tons of Trinkeys! https://youtu.be/trK2tNe4iUk

Creating infrared board testers and small designs, including an Accessibility Trinkey and a Pixel Trinkey. Also exploring PCB-mount USB C plugs for modern Trinkeys.

[glad ruin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/279402505362997249/1226881835020320908/FB_IMG_1712580722032.jpg

[tardy badger]

Only a partial eclipse happening today, but it has started

[rapid geode]

its full on coudy here. all those people that went to the falls are gonna see nothing

3:20 its gonna be here. ill go out and look anyway

[late fulcrum]

Cloudy here too

[tardy badger]

Best it’s going to get here

[whole jacinth]

overcast here, not likely to clear up in time to see anything interesting

[ebon dew]

It actually turned Dallas at 2:45pm into night. Can see here in the screenshot. It was actually a real full eclipse holy cow!

[rapid geode]

it JUST got sunny

ha

neat

wow, it actually became night time here for 60 seconds

that was neat

[whole jacinth]

i couldn't see anything on account of the clouds, but it did suddenly get a lot darker than it does in daytime without a thunderstorm

[rapid geode]

we had very slight clouds during the full eclipse but that was ok, cause it blocked some light so you could look at it

nice ring

my phone camera was useless though

just blown out

best i got

[valid spoke]

I've been trying to source replacement motors for some of my machines

It's been the most exhausting thing

Small DC motors nowadays are made like garbage

I'm getting samples from different manufacturers and they have crappy bushings

Bad tolerances

Subpar performance
Some of their "high quality samples" also came with rust and their recommendation was to run it by hand to clear the rust and then feed the 6vdc motor 12vdc to free it up

Why is it so hard to find quality DC motors

I might start rewinding motors again

Or make them myself

[rapid geode]

sanyodenki has some nice ones... you wont like the price though. :x

[valid spoke]

I have to buy like

100 at least

So maybe they'll do a bulk discount

[rapid geode]

Sanyo, doubt it.

they are they most expensive motors ive ever had to buy

[ebon dew]

Anything on digikey that might be acceptable? They'll do bulk discounts.

[valid spoke]

Do they have small DC motors

[rapid geode]

sanyo makes all sorts of dc, fans, brushless, etc. ive only bought their ac servos, and they are brutal

$1000s

[ebon dew]

oh they must have been in that really expensive fan on a stick thing from last year?

or was that a lamp? can't remember.

[rapid geode]

?

[valid spoke]

I mean the original motors are Sanyo DC motors

[rapid geode]

i think the monster crazy hurricane fan they had on ltt was sanyo

[rapid geode]

hm

[valid spoke]

And mabuchi

But they don't make em anymore

[rapid geode]

ah

[valid spoke]

Mabuchi does a 5000 minimum to make new ones

The most I'll ever need is 500

The most

[rapid geode]

hmm

[ebon dew]

nvm it was a lamp <#help-with-hw-design message>

[valid spoke]

I'll look at Johnson electric tho thank you for the digikey idea

@ebon dew

[rapid geode]

what type of motors are there. just the basic stamped steel canned brush dc?

[valid spoke]

Hold on

[ebon dew]

actually it's kind of funny the motors you're talking about are more expensive than that ridiculously expensive dyson lamp.

[valid spoke]

This is the datasheet by one

It's the same part number for mabuchi

Now the original Sanyo motor j have the part number but there is no datasheet

This is the closest equivalent I can find

Only issue is the bolt spacing is too big

The top one is the biggest issue

[rapid geode]

0.23w. feel the poweeer

[valid spoke]

The bottom one I can butcher one in by doing unholy things with a mill to some countersink Allen bolts

[valid spoke]

Yeah I normally work with

AC synchronous motors

2000hp sometimes

[rapid geode]

370 is a common rc size from the 80s

[valid spoke]

So this is very small

It is

[rapid geode]

but they kinda went awat

[valid spoke]

Which is why the only replacements i find are

[rapid geode]

i assume you cant use a brushless?

[valid spoke]

Crappy ones with sintered iron bearings

And other subpar decisions

[valid spoke]

I can use anything

[rapid geode]

theres lots of $5 brushless 370 size motors

[valid spoke]

Where

[rapid geode]

with bearings, aluminium housings,

[valid spoke]

Plug me in

[rapid geode]

hobby king is where i ge that typoe of thing

[valid spoke]

Problem is

I need the rpm to be around 6000

[rapid geode]

set rpm to whatever you want. truck will be what torque and voltaGE

rc specs are sorta upside down vs the normal torque.rpm ratings of an industrial motor. so you need to figure out some specw first

whats the voltage?

[valid spoke]

Voltage is around 6V

But

I can increase it a smidge

To maybe 8

[rapid geode]

so youd want in the 1000kv range. (1000rpm per volt)

for idea power

[valid spoke]

Okay

So hobby king

370 size motor

[rapid geode]

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/2437-3300kv-370-size-sensorless-motor.html?___store=en_us

[valid spoke]

Around 1000kv

Oh that would be so good

[rapid geode]

first one i found. this is a higher preformance 120w motor

(120w is peak current draw, so in real terms, its about 20-25w

[valid spoke]

Thank you this has been very helpful @rapid geode

[rapid geode]

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/sp-024350-01-rc-car-motors-4800kv.html

that seems to be the viable one in stock