general-chat

[tardy badger]

Not to mention the trouble you have to go through with setting up windows 11 to avoid using a Microsoft account

[lusty fossil]

I just decided to bow to MS and have an account

I have the spine of a jellyfish version of Evil Knievel

[tardy badger]

I’m setting up a laptop who’s only purpose is to RDP into my computer at the office

There is 0 need for this thing to be linked to a Microsoft account

[lusty fossil]

Bill needs your data, Seth

[tardy badger]

Lol

[delicate stream]

It's easy!
Step 1: buy laptop
Step 2: Install Linux

[tardy badger]

Ah good, RDP appears to work decentish on the new laptop. Now to dig out a keyboard and mouse to use with it on Monday

[tardy badger]

And a good peak into the body reveals the memory is absolutely upgradable. Currently has 8GB of DDR4 SODIMM. Probably could upgrade to 16GB. Already has a 512GB NVMe SSD

[delicate stream]

128GB RAM and 8TB SSD or bust :P

[tardy badger]

The 12th gen i3 supports like 32GB max?

Ohhh this supports up to 64GB of DDR5 😯

[delicate stream]

I was joking XD

[tardy badger]

I think this laptop is single channel though so maybe 32GB of DDR5

[delicate stream]

It doesn't have both DDR4 and DDR5 sockets, does it?

[tardy badger]

No, unfortunately not

[solar kindle]

I got a new chromebook. Surprised to find that I can install linux apps. Now have most of the apps on it that I do on my win10 laptop (openscad, libreoffice, gimp, inkscape, prusaslicer, dropbox...). Plus they're both connected to the nas, so I can share files between the two. Granted, the on-device storage isn't great but the battery life is fantastic.

[delicate stream]

I had a Chromebook try to catch fire today

[lusty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-marv-funny-bricks-gif-20002510

[delicate stream]

lol

[lusty fossil]

I have 2

I think that's all I'll need

For a while

I don't do video or photo stuft

It's all text files and CAD files, none of which are really that big

[delicate stream]

I need more storage

Need more 16TB drives

https://tenor.com/view/blind-robin-hood-poor-disney-beggar-gif-14700496

[lusty fossil]

HDD or SSD? Namebrand or no name? Trying to decide what level of flex this is

[delicate stream]

HDD, Seagate Exos, lol

[tardy badger]

Big roller over here

[delicate stream]

Instead of Starbucks I get HDDs

[tardy badger]

“Oh, I don’t need much. Just the keys to the city and all the money in the banks”

[delicate stream]

I want to out-store Linus

[lusty fossil]

Have you seen the video of theirs on who's the biggest hoarder?

Someone had 440 TB

[delicate stream]

Lol. My primary storage server is only 72TB...

[umbral phoenix]

"only"

[tardy badger]

My local NAS is only 2TB redundant storage

[delicate stream]

I take a lot of pictures of my cat ok

[umbral phoenix]

I thought I was bad with 4TB internal, 40TB external

(no cat pictures)

[delicate stream]

2 of my 3 primary workstations have 5TB and the other has 4TB

[lusty fossil]

I need to get a NAS. Currently I'm doing 2-2-1

[delicate stream]

Build a server XD

[tardy badger]

I have.. 2TB cold storage on my desktop

[delicate stream]

Cold as in your desktop is off most of the time? XD

[umbral phoenix]

superconducting flash drives

[delicate stream]

I have 4TB cold storage for critical backups in 3 off-site places

[tardy badger]

Cold as it not actively used. I use it to quickly offload files and do backups

[delicate stream]

heh

[tardy badger]

My desktop is used easily 50hours a week

If not more

[rapid geode]

how could you work with so little ram?

[delicate stream]

Multiple systems

It's a pain but it works

[tardy badger]

A friend of mine told me that a friend of his who worked for AWS would spin up VMs with like 2TB of RAM lol

And 100GPUs

[rapid geode]

2tb is better

[delicate stream]

Meanwhile I have 128GB of RAM that gets split among many VMs

[rapid geode]

my work machine has 512gb and i run out sometimes

[delicate stream]

I run out a lot XD

[tardy badger]

I plan to have a nice rack server one of these days

[delicate stream]

The laptop I use for work is 16GB and always running out

[umbral phoenix]

640KB ought to be enough for anybody

[delicate stream]

I have a 30 year old server rack XD

[tardy badger]

My work machine that I remote into has only 64GB

[rapid geode]

16gb i dont think is viable for windows 10. i have 32 on my home machine which seems mostly fine

[tardy badger]

My desktop at home has 48GB

I have plans to change that one of these days

[rapid geode]

one day

ha

[tardy badger]

I think I can do 128GB max

[rapid geode]

yeah rizen can do 128. so if prices drop ill do that later this year

[delicate stream]

One day I'll have an Epyc server

[tardy badger]

My wife didn’t get hired on permanent with her job so finances are a wee bit tight

[rapid geode]

the studio is only getting epyc machines now. threadripper was limited for 512gb.

[tardy badger]

I worked 5.2hrs of OT which only amounts to like $262.50 extra before taxes

[delicate stream]

My Threadripper is 1st gen and restricted to 128GB...

[rapid geode]

threadripper is plenty fast enough, but thats a silly limitation to grab more money

[umbral phoenix]

"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."

[tardy badger]

I’ve gotta cover an additional $1200 a month.. but I’d love to slap a Ryzen 7 and a ton of RAM, and an RX 7900 XT

[delicate stream]

Whoever said that was a nerd

[rapid geode]

ours had 512. the ryzen was 128. my older xeon was 512gb, the newer ones were 348 (a mobo limit i think)

[delicate stream]

I want an AMD MI card

But I'm poor and stuck with 3090s

[tardy badger]

My case might not actually fit a 7900 XT

[rapid geode]

my new machine is a ryzen 7950x

zoom

[delicate stream]

sobs in 5950X

[tardy badger]

I may have to settle for a 7800 XT

[tardy badger]

Sobs in RX 580

[rapid geode]

i went cheaper on the gpu. 3060ti.

my old home machine was an i5 6500 :x

haha

with quadro 1000

[umbral phoenix]

I have no idea what all these numbers are, pretty much the only servers in my house are Circuitpython 😉

[tardy badger]

I currently have a Ryzen 5 5600X

[lusty fossil]

How hard is this?

[tardy badger]

Easy

[delicate stream]

Easy! Not any harder than building a desktop PC

[tardy badger]

As building your own desktop

You just need massive airflow

And earplugs if you still have decent hearing

[rapid geode]

a server is just your old pc with some more drives in it. instead of throwing it in the bin, you make it a server

😛

[delicate stream]

For home use, desktop-class hardware is fine, too... software is most important

[delicate stream]

Serves file, counts

[tardy badger]

How high does it count to? This is important

[rapid geode]

42

[umbral phoenix]

my next server is going to do nothing but serve UDP packets

[tardy badger]

Perfect

[delicate stream]

It all depends on your needs. But your ancient desktop with big HDDs and a server OS is fine

[tardy badger]

Magic packets to ruin people’s computer sleep

[delicate stream]

Computers sleep?

[rapid geode]

my server keeps asking for a tip

[umbral phoenix]

I was wondering

[tardy badger]

Then push it over

[delicate stream]

Imagine not having your computer running full tilt 24/7/365

[tardy badger]

looks at desktop currently in sleep mode

[rapid geode]

shudder i just had the idea of someone pushing over one of the studio racks

[delicate stream]

Well, I'm letting my main workstation relax tonight...

[tardy badger]

What are you running that’s using 60GB of RAM? VMs ?

Or three chrome tabs?

[rapid geode]

task manager is hilariously innacurate on new systems

[tardy badger]

Yeah, so true

I use system monitor

Farm more accurate

[delicate stream]

At least like 30GB is Opera

[rapid geode]

3 chrome tabs would be more than 60gb

[tardy badger]

Fine, 3 chrome tabs with tab caching on lol

[delicate stream]

Imagine using Chrome

[rapid geode]

then the disk would be at 90%

[tardy badger]

Imagine using the internet.. losers..

[rapid geode]

a pentium 133 is plenty. the rest is just a conspiracy by software makers to have you buy new hardware

[delicate stream]

RP2040 > Pentium 133

[umbral phoenix]

software expands to fit the available resources

websites are the eiptome of software bloat

[tardy badger]

Software resource desires always outpace innovation 🙂

[rapid geode]

the baseline bloat of windows is like 8gb now. for no good reason

[tardy badger]

I deleted like 2.2GB of bloatware from the HP laptop I bought

[delicate stream]

looks at Windows tablet with 1GB

[tardy badger]

It has 8GB of RAM, a 12th gen i3 1215U, and a 512GB SSD. It’s only job is to remote into another computer lol

[rapid geode]

i did whole movies on amd 1.8ghz machines...

goes to look at one of those movies on youtube.... removes from imdb credits

yeaaah

😛

[delicate stream]

I made a movie on my 486DX

[tardy badger]

My nearly 5 year old intel MacBook Pro also has 8GB of RAM and runs significantly faster lol

[delicate stream]

My 3 year old MacBook Pro has 32GB of RAM and drags a lot, lol

[tardy badger]

Lol

[rapid geode]

for real "hollywood" studio work the lowest end machine was probably a dual xeon with 2gb ram. but the work in comparison with what we do today was super simplistic.

[tardy badger]

2GB of RAM?

2TB?

[rapid geode]

32 bit system limit

90s

[tardy badger]

Oh okay

[delicate stream]

You could probably render Toy Story in 5 minutes on a budget laptop now

[tardy badger]

Sorry, thought you meant modern Hollywood lol

[rapid geode]

early 2000s i guess as well

[tardy badger]

Modern CGI burns through like $5-10m in AWS usage

[rapid geode]

no, i mean comparing what we used on older movies. but you cant comparre, because today a sunday morning kids cartoon is 1000 times more advanced than the best vfx in 2001

[tardy badger]

Right

[delicate stream]

Yeah, Toy Story looks awful compared to the budget kid's shows now

[tardy badger]

Avatar 2 used something like $250m+ in Amazon resources

[rapid geode]

i had to look up underworld for reference a few years ago and went "i remember this looking better" haha

[delicate stream]

Do any studios still have render farms?

[tardy badger]

I say + because I don’t remember the exact figure

[rapid geode]

we have 400 ish machine. aws is unreliable

[tardy badger]

Yeah, AWS gets movie credits

[umbral phoenix]

I did not like the high frame rate of Avatar 2

[delicate stream]

... 48FPS?

[rapid geode]

then tell yourself its 24. its all in your head

[umbral phoenix]

no, it's uncanny valley, looks like a video soap opera

[delicate stream]

No, framerate makes a difference

[rapid geode]

no, it really doesnt

[delicate stream]

It... really does

[rapid geode]

its proven to be all in your head

[tardy badger]

I want to see a movie shot in tilt shift

[umbral phoenix]

some intros are

[delicate stream]

It doesn't matter if it's "all in your head", it still makes a difference

[tardy badger]

Tilt shift gives a real Sim City feel

[rapid geode]

....

[tardy badger]

Sarcasm alert

[rapid geode]

tilt shift i dont think ive ever seen used. not that i work on artistic stuff. vfx by definition goes into bad blockbuster stuff haha

anamorphic refuses to die

directors like the wonky lens flares

[tardy badger]

I don’t necessarily think the movie would be good, I just like the tilt shift video graphic style

[rapid geode]

you might have tilt shift confused with ortho

[tardy badger]

Nah

[rapid geode]

tilt shift puts the focal plane on an angle. was used a lot with medium format in car photo shoots to get the elngth of the car in focus

[delicate stream]

I just hit that frame in a video XD

[tardy badger]

It makes things look like your peering into sim city 4

[rapid geode]

ah, i remember that trend

[delicate stream]

Anyway movies should be 12FPS like the good old days

None of this fancy 24FPS stuff

[tardy badger]

Blinks in NTSC

[delicate stream]

Regular videos should be 29.97FPS

Seriously tho, it depends on what it is. Some movies it messes it up to be HFR, others it adds to the feel

The Hobbit sucks you in with that double

But like, 120FPS movies... lots of people get motion sickness

[rapid geode]

everything is 24p now. no matter what the delivery.

tv, web, cinema, analogue, digital, doesnt matter. all 24p

its a terrible choice when you think about it though

[delicate stream]

Wha? Most content is 30/60

[rapid geode]

not the source. only the delivery

[delicate stream]

Or 25/50 depending on range

[rapid geode]

source is rendered/shot 24p

[delicate stream]

The only people recording at 24FPS are people looking for cinematic

Cellphones standard shoot 30/60

[rapid geode]

which is everybody

[delicate stream]

Not everyone wants a cinematic look

[rapid geode]

tell that to camera makers

[delicate stream]

If 24FPS was the only framerate anyone used, cameras wouldn't shoot higher

And they wouldn't default to 30/60

[rapid geode]

some people got it in their head that 24p, full frame, and all this other stuff is what "makes" film look like film. which is all false

[tardy badger]

Frame rate can affect people’s viewing experience

[delicate stream]

iPhones can't even do 24 with the default camera app

[rapid geode]

O_o

[tardy badger]

You sure about that?

[delicate stream]

A lot of animations have variable framerates

[rapid geode]

in animation lower frame rate meant less frames to draw which meant less labour. 12 was the minimum the eye had no problem with

[delicate stream]

I just tried, I get 30/60

Actually there's a "cinematic" view that tells you nothing about framerate

[delicate stream]

Ahh, HD has no 24

[tardy badger]

Yeah, HD doesn’t

But 30fps is close enough

[rapid geode]

the "cienmatic" look is 95% in using half frame motion blur. little else matters. What people often compain about on 48fps is actually the use of higher shutter speeds (lotr/hobbit was really bad for this)

[delicate stream]

I wonder why 4K gets 24 but 720 and 1080 don't...

[whole jacinth]

there's apparently an ATSC 23.976fps rate, which seems especially cursed

[rapid geode]

23.976 is for pulldown on an ntsc broadcast

[tardy badger]

Slowmo recording gets a 10x multiple of 24fps

[rapid geode]

it is why sometimes movies seems "fast" with pitched up audio

[tardy badger]

240fps

[rapid geode]

when on tv

[tardy badger]

NTSC is a cursed standard

[rapid geode]

slowmo is a different topic. you still play it back at 24/30

ntsc doesnt have much reason to exist anymore

[delicate stream]

The Soap Opera Effect is entirely because they recorded at 60FPS when everything else on TV was 30

[tardy badger]

Good ole broadcasting frequencies

[dusty citrus]

ah nvm I'm a zombie with insomnia

[tardy badger]

Shifting colors is fun

[rapid geode]

no

[delicate stream]

60FPS does look different than 30...

[rapid geode]

all broadcast cameras (usa) were originally 59.97 interlaced

[delicate stream]

People experience a difference, it's there

[tardy badger]

Only because broadcasting frequencies shift blue colors at 60

[rapid geode]

no its because the AC power in the usa was 59.97hz

so you needed to sync for lighting

[whole jacinth]

yeah it's really obvious if you're watching fast-moving 59.97 interlaced content on a progressive scan display with "weave" deinterlacing

[rapid geode]

but, none of this really matters much. the "soap opera" look (or video, etc) is largely from those cameras having shutters so fast there was effectively zero motion blur. which makes the image stutter in our eyes

until you get past 72-80hz

whihc is when people stop noticing

[delicate stream]

Framerates for gaming is a different story tho

[tardy badger]

A very small subset of people notice differences up to 144Hz. I feel bad for those people

[rapid geode]

with half frame motion blur (which is what film cameras had) they eye can smooth out motion down to 24 (and lower really)

[tardy badger]

This is why PAL was better

ducks

[rapid geode]

thats me. well not 144, but i had to set my crts to 95 or so,

[rapid geode]

YOURE NOT LISTENING!!!!!

😛

hehe

[tardy badger]

Lol PAL was better back when color was introduced though

[delicate stream]

My tummy hurts... bed time, nini

[rapid geode]

PAL got some traction when things went digital cause it seemed like a middleground

but then 24 took over

[tardy badger]

Good frame rate and higher resolution made it preferable to NTSC

Plus no weird decimal frequency adjustments

[rapid geode]

24 is really bad though. your screen is 50 or 60 usually (or 59.97 etc)

[tardy badger]

Because it’s cheaper

[rapid geode]

cheaper was the original reason. then it became a style

[tardy badger]

It’s like going broke and then realizing you like living on the streets

[rapid geode]

hand drawing

[tardy badger]

Rendering, design, etc..

[rapid geode]

less frames = less money

[tardy badger]

Less hand cramps too

[rapid geode]

none of this matters today

[tardy badger]

Because we can use AI to make our frames

[rapid geode]

oh dear

[tardy badger]

😂

AI does have an interesting role in animation these days.

[rapid geode]

season 2 baby

[tardy badger]

I was playing halo coop campaign with my brothers last night

[rapid geode]

according to some people that's the quality of the show

i wish ai could do this.

cause it wouldnt have forgotten all the reasons i designed it this way

😛

[tardy badger]

To make your life harder?

[rapid geode]

i wonder if chat gtp would make better notes than the director

:x

[frigid tiger]

Considering using chatgpt for all correspondence

[rapid geode]

"write me an angry email to my boss"

😛

[delicate stream]

I can't sleep

[frigid tiger]

Write something to parse any flagged emails as input and then clean up the output for a re:

[lusty fossil]

I'm trying to sell some stuff on FB marketplace. I'm going to do that

[rapid geode]

oh man. have it deal with lowballer / scammers. that would be funny

[lusty fossil]

I'll post results here

If that's allowed

[tardy badger]

Scalpers too

[dusty citrus]

🫥

[tardy badger]

Deal with scalpers using ChatGPT is what I’m saying

[rapid geode]

how do you make it respond to someone that only types "300" on a $4000 listing?

[dusty citrus]

guess what I did/do for a living

[rapid geode]

crypto mining?

:x

[delicate stream]

AI needs to "commit to buy" every scalper listing on eBay without having money

[tardy badger]

“Write a response calling out the seller and tell them that you will buy it for retail + 5% or you’ll make a sacrifice to the flesh eating gods”

[dusty citrus]

no more
but I used to scalp a lot with gpus
good times
now I m again broke

[tardy badger]

Knowing my luck, it would confuse flesh eating gods with country swine

And please don’t go down that nightmarish Google rabbit hole

I did like a year ago and it was not good for my anxiety

[tardy badger]

Ah yea, Star Wars

[rapid geode]

thats how we got them star wars ones. scalpers wer gouging on the retail ones

[delicate stream]

Gimme the Star Wars ones

[rapid geode]

i dont know where they are. we had 4.

[delicate stream]

dang

[rapid geode]

ironically they rendered the expanse

[delicate stream]

I would kill for those particular cards

[rapid geode]

i do remember they were $1700

[dusty citrus]

I had known first about stm32 shortage too...
the problem although is finding who buys those things
with gpus was easy and peasy

[rapid geode]

but scalpers wanted $2k+ for the regular ones

[delicate stream]

Stupid scalpers

[rapid geode]

scaplers should be put on a raft out to drift in the sea

😛

[delicate stream]

Computer, delete the raft

[tardy badger]

Ya know, their so good at ripping people off.. we should put them on bandaid patrols in hospitals. Call them in to rip bandaids off

[rapid geode]

gpus (that kind) are luxury items. so, cant be too angry. but some of the other stuff that was going on early 2020... oof

[dusty citrus]

I don't see the issue
it's not bread
and it's free market

[delicate stream]

Someone gimme an EVGA 3090 FTW3

[rapid geode]

there is no real issue. first world problem thing.

[delicate stream]

Either that or buy 3 of them and 4 waterblocks from me

[dusty citrus]

although it was pretty entertaining playing with low balls offers and people who got mad

[rapid geode]

like the real estate market. i wanted to crash so hard, and all the owners to loose all their money. then i bought my house and i want to skyrocket 😛

ok no

[dusty citrus]

I also tryed to flip consoles
although I never manage to sell any, so I returned them all

[whole jacinth]

this is how the capitalist ruling class is sneakily forcing you to align with their interests

[rapid geode]

nah, i stillw ant it to crahs

[delicate stream]

Can we delete money?

[whole jacinth]

not going so well for the cryptocurrency bois

[rapid geode]

someone deleted their money

[dusty citrus]

then if you want to rinnovate, or do I new construction you should first get scammed by certified professionals who do nothing than taking notes or doing fancy drawings (like architects)

[delicate stream]

I just want to erase the concept of money entirely XD

[rapid geode]

fancy drawings, not quite

[whole jacinth]

you want to barter for everything?

[delicate stream]

I just want to have everything because the robots brought it

[dusty citrus]

dunno in the us
but here they do nothing else than drawing no sense, signing paper, and discharge the real work to engineers and graphics guy, cause they can't even draw properly

[rapid geode]

yes. we could maybe invent a univeral thnig that represents a barter everyone will accept.

[rapid geode]

signing the paper is the value. engineer is a totally differtent job and signature. you need both

OR, you just stick to code and dont need either

but then you dont get a very interesting house

[dusty citrus]

what do you mean?

[rapid geode]

the code book is performance based construction. if you follow it, you do not require an engineer

[delicate stream]

Here you need to have an engineer sign off that you did stuff to code

[rapid geode]

and you never require an architect for your own house if you are doing the work. you only need them when you are NOT doing the work

[rapid geode]

thats what the inspector does

[dusty citrus]

that's how it works in the us? lucky you

[delicate stream]

Yeah. The inspectors here are architectural engineers

[rapid geode]

im not in the us, but the rules are the same there

[dusty citrus]

nor I am, I'm from Italy

[rapid geode]

if you OWN the house, you can do everything except engineering (unless you are an engineer of course)

[delicate stream]

Freedom noises

[rapid geode]

italy doesnt count as a reference

:x

hahaha

[dusty citrus]

I really hate this country
I need to get out of there in one way or another tbh

[delicate stream]

Step 1: travel to country you want to live in
Step 2: fall in love with local
Step 3: get married to local
Step 4: become resident

[rapid geode]

no code or engineering there. ha. under 10m2 non living space is open

so i made that crazy thing

hehe

[delicate stream]

https://tenor.com/view/busterkeaton-fall-fail-house-house-fall-gif-5246656

[rapid geode]

yeah thats not gonna happen

you can park cars on the roof

[dusty citrus]

btw
if you respect the code or not, is it actually checked by anyone or not?

[lusty fossil]

When you go to sell the house

If the buyer gets an inspector

[dusty citrus]

I see

[lusty fossil]

I don't know what the consequences are.

I suspect insurance companies would care too

[delicate stream]

They're supposed to block the sale, but if they allow the sale, the buyer has to fix it or get fined

[rapid geode]

on that building there is no rule. on the main house, yes, if i did a random reno with no permits and sold it in a short amount of time, i could be in trouble

[lusty fossil]

10mx10m or 10mx1m?

[rapid geode]

10m2

108 sqft

for non metric monkeys 🙂

the foundation on that one is 141"x114"

[delicate stream]

I want to build a house in a shipping container

[rapid geode]

or something like that

shipping containers need serious engineering

and they arent cheap anymore. so theres not a lot of point to using them

[delicate stream]

They can still be had fairly cheap here

[rapid geode]

steel doubled in price. used to be able to get used 20ft containers for $1200. now its like $5000

you also still need a full interior frame for insulation, so all your are really getting is siding.

[delicate stream]

I was looking at listings and saw some 40ft ones for ~$3500

[rapid geode]

thats near my office

[delicate stream]

And I'm talking about just a single container

Nice

Insulation framing is easy in a box, lol

[rapid geode]

that land was 9 ft wide. the guy spent $1.2m building that. the container aspect is pointless really at that point.

[delicate stream]

jeeze

He probably bought new ones too

[rapid geode]

he could have just fabbed it from scratch for less

[dusty citrus]

this sorta, sorta, I repeat sorta, remembers me villa e96, an eyesore that I saw in Hamburg

[delicate stream]

weird

[rapid geode]

this one is down the mountain from me

i think its a commercial use though

ugly

and same thing again, millions of dollars. whats the point?

[delicate stream]

I plan to spend like $10k MAXIMUM if I ever do it

[rapid geode]

ha

[delicate stream]

Not counting power...

[rapid geode]

i spent more than 10k on drywall

[delicate stream]

jeebus, how big of a place did you do?!?!

[rapid geode]

smallest house in town. materials have just gone mental

[delicate stream]

They're not THAT bad here

[rapid geode]

$16 a sheet for regular

$28 for mould resistant

x 100

plus plaster and all the rest

[delicate stream]

Wow... $16/sheet here for mold resistant

[dim panther]

u can get a 40ft container for 1500$ here

[rapid geode]

it was $100 for a sheet of osb for a while

thats come back down

[delicate stream]

I dunno where you are @rapid geode but it's REALLY, really way off from the US

Lumber had gone to like 4x here at one point, but it settled again, currently only a little more expensive than it was

[delicate stream]

yikes

[rapid geode]

lumber is mostly down. steel is still double

$9-$12 per stud

x hundreds again

barf

hehe

[rapid geode]

$250 for a door.

was $149 in 2020

(i need 2 doors next week)

its so volatile

[delicate stream]

Actually lumber here is where it was, 2x4x8 stud is under $4

[rapid geode]

i did get some good deals. nice hardwood floors for $2 a foot

4.68 for a 2x4 here. should be more like $3.50

but better than $14

[delicate stream]

One to ‘murica, we have cheap stuff, lol

[rapid geode]

but all the wood quality is bad too. so you throw away 25%

we have all the trees

😛

[delicate stream]

We take all the trees

[rapid geode]

china as well

they seems to take all the trees right now

[dusty citrus]

do they have trees in china?

[delicate stream]

Omnomnom

[rapid geode]

not enough i guess

[delicate stream]

Paper ones

[rapid geode]

or maybe they prefer spruce.

their trees are more tropical?

heavy

[dusty citrus]

oh wait there were memes about fake green areas too

like they spray paint or place plastic leafs

[rapid geode]

ha

i know someone in the us with a fake lawn

[tardy badger]

The place I live, when they couldn’t water the grass they painted it green

[rapid geode]

ha

[tardy badger]

Drought leads to funny measures for aesthetic

[rapid geode]

this is what im making this week

[tardy badger]

Is this your shed office thing?

[rapid geode]

no, this is the house

[tardy badger]

Ah okay

[rapid geode]

i need 30-40 more steel studs to build the valence and wall framing.

thats where all the money goes

haha

[delicate stream]

What if trees actually went extinct hundreds of years ago and it’s just been a cover-up to hide that fact ever since

[rapid geode]

they did. thats why wood is so bad these days.

[delicate stream]

Omg I solved wood

[rapid geode]

every time i remove an old stud i am sad, because it is actually straight

[delicate stream]

Reuse

[rapid geode]

cant really. everything is replaced with steel now

only 2 original studs left i think

haha

[late fulcrum]

I used to live in a house where the 2x4s were actually 2" x 4". I'd build bookshelves into the walls, ordinary paperbacks would fit neatly in there.

[rapid geode]

mine are 3.625" x 1.625"

whihc is really annoying

ha

[delicate stream]

Ancient house!

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an actual 2x4…

[rapid geode]

they dont exist

well, they were never a standard

eventually they agreed on 3.5x1.5

[delicate stream]

Standards are so dumb sometimes

[rapid geode]

nah they are good, when they are actually standard

[tardy badger]

And actually followed

[rapid geode]

like the feather

🙂

ha

[delicate stream]

That's what I mean by "sometimes" -- sometimes the standards are just stupidly done, like 2x4 actually being 1.5x3.5, or they're handled poorly, like the USB-IF renaming standards [which makes it not really a standard anymore]

[rapid geode]

2x4 is a good standard

[dusty citrus]

https://www.xtremegreengrass.com/
why

[rapid geode]

its not their fault people used the name 2x4

wow

[delicate stream]

2x4s that were 2"x4" were a thing, but nobody should have ever sold 1.5x3.5 as 2x4

[rapid geode]

im in the wrong business. i should offer snow painting

[rapid geode]

2x4's that were 2x4 were never a thing thjough. ever

2x4 was a rough sawmill dimension on the semi green lumber

that dimension would change randomly as it dried

you were generally expected to hand work/plane each board before use

the 1.5" finished dry standard fixed all that

this was important when drywall came in in the 40s as well

each board was actually the same

[delicate stream]

Well, if they're consistently 1.5x3.5 after drying, they should have sold them by actual size

[rapid geode]

weather it was 2" or 1.5 is irrelevant

they did. contractors just kept calling them 2x4

they also took the place of rough 2x4's in code

in our code book they never refer to 2x4, and you dont write that on drawings. you write the true mm dimensions

38x89

[delicate stream]

I think it's always the nominal and actual in the code books here

[dusk raft]

Does adafruit have something like this?

[fierce prawn]

No

You could buy parts and do it yourself

[late fulcrum]

I like the little 8-pin 2-channel level shifter. It's basically that and an ESP32 chip.

[lusty fossil]

Yes they do

[lusty fossil]

The rp 2040 Scorpio is very similar but not identical

You could wrangle it to work with dot stars

[lusty fossil]

So for a pin made of silver plated steel. How should the pin part be attached? Put into a hole and silver soldered?

[late fulcrum]

I suspect the WiFi aspect is part of the appeal and the Scorpio doesn't offer that. But it does include the level shifters.

[lusty fossil]

It does have the PIO tho

[delicate stream]

I forget, did LadyAda give an estimated release for the Scorpio?

[tardy badger]

The problem is getting the RP2040 onto compact packages is hard

Thought I had a picture of the RP2040 LED driver I made

[late fulcrum]

It's simple enough to make a compact board with the RP2040 (like the QT Py). PIO isn't a huge advantage by itself for this particular application, as you can drive DotStars with any chip that has SPI support (or use software SPI).

[tardy badger]

Yeah, my led driver doesn’t do SPI LEDs, just traditional 5V, GND, Din

It’s like 15mm wide

Maybe less

It’s only slightly wider than the RP2040

And has battery power

[late fulcrum]

For ordinary NeoPixel style LEDs, I normally reach for an ItsyBitsy

[delicate stream]

Is there an advantage to DotStars?

[gusty torrent]

Dotstars don't have the timing requirements. You can even bitbang them super slowly if you want.

Like even down to a 1Hz or slower clock

[lusty fossil]

They are also brighter

[delicate stream]

Ohhh…

[lusty fossil]

Faster refresh rates too

[delicate stream]

Do they have high power versions? Like 3-4W?

[lusty fossil]

So you can do PoV

[late fulcrum]

Ordinary brightness ones are fine for PoV unless you want to work in full sun

[delicate stream]

Hmm...

[delicate stream]

Random -- opinions on https://www.adafruit.com/product/3791 vs https://www.adafruit.com/product/5253 ?

I need a better PCB holder for small things than what I have, and debating which I want...

[lusty fossil]

Neither

One sec

[delicate stream]

Oh

I have this one and it has trouble with narrow/small boards…

[lusty fossil]

https://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/clamps-vises/vises-anvils/vacuum.html

Or similar. They have jaws for stuff like pcbs

[delicate stream]

Dang gaps

I kinda forgot they made standard vises with rubber and plastic jaws

[thick wind]

For specifically boards that long and narrow, I have had decent success taping one end around a post

[delicate stream]

Wait... I forgot, I have a plastic-head vise! I don't use it for PCBs a lot because it's too far from the gap to the board on the edges [can't get into corners

https://www.adafruit.com/product/151

That's the one I have

[blissful roost]

Is that your... only vise??

...sorry

[delicate stream]

No, I have a heavy-duty antique steel one for heavy stuff

[blissful roost]

😁

[delicate stream]

That's bolted to a workbench in my basement XD

I like cracking things open with it -- I beat on the bar with a hammer to tighten/loosen it a lot XD

[one time the hammer broke]

[whole jacinth]

is there some sort of recent media exposure leading more people to experiment with making radiation detectors/counters? i think i've seen two or three different folks asking about them in the past few weeks

[lusty fossil]

I did open that wormhole to the height of the cold war.

[delicate stream]

I’ve just wanted a Geiger counter for ages (particularly to see if I have anything radioactive in my rock collection, because there’s always a chance I got some radioactive ore), and DIY anything is just more fun

(I’ve decided to buy the Adafruit kit despite not being the cheapest option because it looks fun and it’s well documented)

[rapid geode]

probably some show talked about bananas and brazil nuts

[delicate stream]

Bananas are my favorite comparative unit for scale and radiation.

[rapid geode]

hmm. i need to make the thing on the left fit inside the thing on the right.

:x

[static flare]

You just line them up with perspective so that the bigger one looks smaller, and then – this is the part most people struggle with – fit the one that now looks smaller inside the one that looks bigger

[rapid geode]

might work

:x

ha

why exactly do we need capacitors the side of coke cans in a rectification circuit?

haha

[sly belfry]

I got the 1mm solder wire

It's MUCH better now

Also, I found out that opening my living room door makes all the fumes go there (it's a much bigger space, so it's not a problem), and it kinda cleans the air a bit. So I guess that's good

[hasty quarry]

This question says A and B are correct, but not D

Why not x4 also? I'm confused

[blissful roost]

D is correct also.

[tardy badger]

4x isn’t nearly as common as 1x and 8x so perhaps they omitted it for that reason?

But definitely odd that it’s not a correct answer

[hasty wedge]

wondering will adafruit release anything like PyBadge but with RP2040

Or ESP32 S3

[umbral phoenix]

I think it's general practice not to publicize the roadmap. but the best clues I think are in the Wednesday (Top Secret segment) and Sunday evening (Desk of...) livestreams

and even then, it's no guarantee, stuff has appeared there and never been made (yet?) - chip shortages, priorities, etc

[tardy badger]

If Adafruit doesn’t release one, I have a design in finishing that will at least have an E-Ink

[hasty wedge]

I wish we can have a LCD based system

[umbral phoenix]

yeah, closest devices with display currently are MagTag and Feather ESP32-S2/3 TFT

[hasty wedge]

to develop games on it

[tardy badger]

PyGamer?

[hasty wedge]

currently using EdgeBadge

but 192KB RAM and flash speed are constraints

SAMD51 is also not fast

[umbral phoenix]

you could put an unexpectedMaker FeathrS2/S3 on a 2.4 or 3.5" FeatherWing

[hasty wedge]

compared to RP2040

[tardy badger]

SAMD51 is 120MHz?

RP2040 runs at 125MHz in many applications

[hasty wedge]

will that disable the built-in SAMD51?

[umbral phoenix]

The FeatherWings have no processor, you can add any Feather board

[tardy badger]

RP2040 can run up to 135MHz, but I don’t know how many people are using all of that

[hasty wedge]

ah, I thought you meant putting a feather on EdgeBadge

[tardy badger]

Realizing that if I really want to view Jupiter from my 114mm wide 500mm focal length reflector telescope, I need better than the 9.7mm plossl lens

A 6mm or a 4mm would greatly improve the resolvable details

It’s amazing how much you gain just changing a few mm in lens sizes

[late fulcrum]

Usually they're for smoothing in high current applications or audiophile ones where they want lots of extra smoothing.

[gusty torrent]

Had my IOL surgery this week, the new EDoF lenses are amazing.

[tardy badger]

Ohhh nice

Implantable Collamer Lens. Very interesting

[gusty torrent]

Seeing better now than I did right after my lasik 12 years ago.

[tardy badger]

I’m uncomfortable with the idea of lasik

[gusty torrent]

Lasik can't properly correct for the full range of vision once you get past 40 or so.

[tardy badger]

I am made uncomfortable by the idea of lasers around my eyes. I’ll probably just go blind before I ever get eye surgery

[gusty torrent]

So you gotta decide whether you want good close or distance vision. Used to have to make that decision too for cataract IOL but the EDoF really changed that

[tardy badger]

Though to be fair, my back is probably gonna go out before my eyes do

[gusty torrent]

I had my lasik done overseas because it was right after the Tohoku earthquake and I wasn't comfortable with a power failure or aftershock in the middle of the procedure.

[tardy badger]

Yeah…

[gusty torrent]

So I took a 2 month leave from work and had a holiday in the Philippines, had the most famous eye surgeon in the country do the procedure.

This time I just went to a hospital here in Tokyo though.

[rapid geode]

oh i know, im just trying to cram them into the size of a pea and its annoying haha

[late fulcrum]

Oh, that reminds me of the short story (and later film) "This Island Earth" where the protagonist gets a catalog with ridiculously small components.

However, those coke can capacitors are often on the order of 10,000µF, which is 10mF or .001F. And it's possible to buy 1F capacitors that fit easily in your hand.

[rapid geode]

new drives get smaller and smaller, so i assume they are getting mroe compact, but still way too big for my needs. the bulk of a servo drive is caps and heatsink

on my old 80s machine the rectifiers were big blocks on their own, external to the drives. haha

[late fulcrum]

What kind of servo do you mean here? Sel-syn?

[rapid geode]

the 24v psu was a 3 phase 380-19v transformer (several kg) and 2 rectifiers

just a regular ac servo

not RC

[late fulcrum]

I don't know what "a regular AC servo" is, other than the sel-syn ones that don't need that kind of power supply.

But perhaps your needs can be served by something less brute-force.

[rapid geode]

that drive takes in 220v single phase, makes it into 370? vdc, then uses igbt inverters to turn it back to pwm simulated ac

the drive back half is heat sink. then the rest is caps. the actual igbt and pcb circuits are tiny.

[late fulcrum]

The usual way to avoid big filter caps on AC powered equipment is to use three phase power.

[rapid geode]

those are definitely smaller, but still huge

switch mode supplies are smaller but they dont get used, i assume because of the minimal overload abilities.

that 750w drive has to deliver 2300w for about 1 second with no sag

[lusty fossil]

If you want to water cool both a GPU and a CPU, you must have a custom loop, right?

[rapid geode]

there may be stock kits for that, but i imagine it is easier to do custom

[lusty fossil]

Yeah that would make sense.

Is a custom loop hard?

[rapid geode]

no idea. i dont use water cooling

[lusty fossil]

The primary benefits are noise and capacity right?

[rapid geode]

coolness factor and bragging. i have a 7950x with an air cooler and its almost silent

the gpu is loud though

[late fulcrum]

I've only used water cooling on high end CPUs.

[lusty fossil]

I have a nice CPU but I don't know if it's technically high end. 13900k

I think it's on the boundary

[late fulcrum]

Mine were beyond X86 land

[lusty fossil]

Ah

I'm considering doing it at some point to reduce noise and case temps.

[rapid geode]

this is a bit of a myth. the cpu puts out 170w, the heat has to go out. in the past with the mini stock coolers they made a lot of noise and didnt cool well. a modern cooler like a noctua makes near zero noise and is very efficient.

if you wanted to overclock by movinf more heat to a big radiator (with more noise) then water cooling can help

or if you need to move the hear a farther distance, like in a confined server rack

woo

done

(well except for some bolts)

2 wires for coms. that will be tricky. hmm

thats why i wanted the driver inside of it. then it just runs on ethercat and dc 24v

now it needs 4 wires for the motor, 2 for the feather/sensor power and only 2 left for the sensor to talk to the external drive. the feather is isolated.

although we could talk to it with the usb port

[delicate stream]

You don’t have to, but aftermarket closed-loop coolers for GPUs are rare; usually people get hybrid GPUs (they have a mixed air/liquid cooler from the factory). But usually you would do a custom loop and link them. If you’re doing soft tube, it’s fairly easy; hard tube is harder because you have to heat and bend the tubes, vs. cutting to an appropriate length (which just needs to be long enough between points and not excessively longer than that) and connecting, which is pretty easy.

[rapid geode]

well thats neat.

[astral portal]

Oooo

[lusty fossil]

Has anyone ever run across a way to lockout battery powered tools? Like the situation is the batteries are available for use with most tools, but one should be locked out for safety

[rapid geode]

what do you mean locked out

[lusty fossil]

Unusable. Padlocked

[rapid geode]

well they usually have a lock switch

so you could make something that holds that in position

but you need one for each different tool

[lusty fossil]

I only need to lock out one tool

[rapid geode]

ah

what type is it?

[lusty fossil]

Abrasive saw.

There's a screaming deal on an unopened milwaukee 2990-20 with 12 Ah battery and I'm not sure I can afford to pass it up. I'd prefer a plug in tool so I can lock it, but if this is lockable that's perfect.

[blissful roost]

Not sure I'd trust that.

[lusty fossil]

Which aspect

[rapid geode]

so this is just to keep kids or animals or politicians from accidentally hurting themselves with it?

[lusty fossil]

Unqualified people at my job site

[rapid geode]

ah

got a link, it may have a key. larger tools usually have a removable key

[lusty fossil]

I don't want people borrowing this particular tool without asking. I don't want anyone borrowing as much as a screwdriver without asking, but it's much harder to remove a hand with a screwdriver, not counting Luke Skywalker

[blissful roost]

Anything from Milwaukee tools...
They weren't even second-rate before they sold out, now they are actually worse.

[lusty fossil]

Reallt

I have always had good experiences with them

Everyone I know in the trades likes them well enough

[blissful roost]

Eeeehhhhh... Maybe for the home user who isn't too rough, but I sure wouldn't trust them onsite.

[lusty fossil]

Huh

[blissful roost]

I know guys onsite that would get rather offensive about those.. and DeWalt.

[lusty fossil]

Your opinion is really uncommon ime

[rapid geode]

people all have opinions on power tools, they are all junk to someone haha

[lusty fossil]

Yeah. I mean hilti is obviously better but for a big box brand I've always read that they are very competitive

It's possible I'm the victim of good marketing, it's happened before

[late fulcrum]

I'm guessing it would be possible to 3D print something that fits onto the battery connector and locks into place.

[lusty fossil]

Yeah I was thinking that too

But an injection molded part would be stronger so I asked

Curious what your opinion is on the tool brand debate

[late fulcrum]

I don't have a useful opinion as I don't have a lot of job site experience. I will say I like my Hitachi rotary hammer. I will also say that Denali has provided a new low, easily beaten out by Harbor Fright and Wal*Mart offerings.

I pick up most of my power tools at thrift stores, so I don't have a lot of choice, and my usage of them is in the handyman side of things, not a construction contractor.

[lusty fossil]

I want to own all Hilti tools one day.

I am not a construction contractor, but I do 90% of my own fabrication

[blissful roost]

I've borrowed many a Hilti tool.. they take some serious abuse. 😁

[lusty fossil]

So my tools see real use, just not consistent use.

It's more like: design for a few weeks, rapid build process for a week, repeat.

[rapid geode]

most of my tools are dewalt. they work fine generally

but mostly they are always on sale

😛

this is a different level of tool

ha

the bearings cost about the same as all my dewalt cordless tools combined.

doh

[blissful roost]

My stepdad calls them "Default" tools... 😅

If someone doesn't know which brand to buy, it's the "Default" choice.

[rapid geode]

none died yet

[delicate stream]

Ohh, where's that?

[rapid geode]

waveshare

[delicate stream]

They have other interesting things too... things to consider

Man, that's a good option if you aren't industrious enough or feeling like making your own board... basically just add a battery and code and a case and you've got a watch

[rapid geode]

even comes with code by the description

[delicate stream]

Oh, nice

[rapid geode]

for my needs, i dont care about that

it just fits better and is cleaner than the feather since its one board

with rear headers

[delicate stream]

It is super clean and tightly designed

[rapid geode]

no buttons. whihc is a little weird

[delicate stream]

Oh, yeah.... and not touch screen, so that is really weird

[ebon dew]

What is it for?

Great looking design.

[delicate stream]

I'd guess it's intended to be a starting point for a DIY smart watch, but it would also be good for like, digital dial displays and stuff

[sinful karma]

where do i go for help with an Adafruit ESP32-S3 QT-Py?

i think i messed up the bootloader

i tried doing the factory reset and it wont go back to how it was out of the box

whenever i connect it to USB, it just immediatly opens the drive

the led turns green as if i had pressed the reset button twice, which opens the files

everything is normal in the files

but i can't connect to it in order to upload code

it ONLY opens the files

i'm re-factory resetting it

just did, nothing changed

also tried reflashing the UFT

it's still acting only like a USB drive

if i try to upload the UFT that updates the bootloader, it works fine

but if i upload another UFT (i'm trying to put wippersnapper on it) nothing happens

and it erases the file afterwards

when i plug it into power-only, the LED turns red

which worries me because the arduino file i flashed onto it when i first got it was a simple code that turns the LED red

which probably means that the factory reset DIDNT WORK

please, there has to be someone that can help

[ebon dew]

That's in bootloader mode where you upload the firmware.

Get the latest beta 6 UF2 for your Qt Py S3 here: https://circuitpython.org/board/adafruit_qtpy_esp32s3_nopsram/

Once you upload the UF2 to the board yes it disappears then reloads USB.

It should automatically reboot and show up as CIRCUITPY in USB

@sinful karma If it doesn't show up as CIRCUITPY and instead reloads back to the bootloader then reset the board until circuitpy shows up instead.

[sinful karma]

woohoo

[ebon dew]

While in bootloader mode the USB device will show up as QTPYS3BOOT, after successful UF2 upload it should reboot and show up as CIRCUITPY or something named similar.

[sinful karma]

D:/ CIRCUITPY is now here 🙂

can i write arduino code to it?

even tho it has the circuitpy firmware

[ebon dew]

Also if your goal is to load wippersnapper then please realize wippersnapper is arduino based and has nothing to do with circuit python.

[sinful karma]

cause i'm way more experienced in arduino

i have touched python ONCE and that was to interface with RPI GPIO

c/c++ best coding language

[ebon dew]

with wippersnapper it's a no-code solution, you can't actually write code with wippersnapper, you can only use it with adafruitIO

if you want to use it with Arduino then you'd want to flash it from within the Arduino IDE

[sinful karma]

i realize that

how do i know that wipper successfully flashed?

[ebon dew]

circuit python is an offshoot of python, it's a python language not C, sorry :/

oh for that it'll blink a couple times

[sinful karma]

i don't want circuitpython

[ebon dew]

you won't get a USB device

it's invisible kinda

sorry i assumed you wanted circuit python so i linked you to the circuit python UF2

[sinful karma]

yeah

[ebon dew]

if you want wipper snapper then you'll need to reflash in bootloader with the wippersnapper bootloader

or if you want Arduino then use the Arduino IDE

[sinful karma]

so i need to do the BIN reflash?

[ebon dew]

seems so, sorry

[sinful karma]

it just put the file into there

all good

done it twice already lol

[ebon dew]

yeah you want to put that in the bootloader mode

you're in circuitpy mode, you can tell because there's a code.py in there

so you're running circuit python right now

[sinful karma]

hm

[ebon dew]

https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-qt-py-esp32-s3/wippersnapper-setup

that's the guide you want to put wippersnapper on the qt py

[sinful karma]

im a little dumb

i forgot to put it into bootloader mode

all good

[ebon dew]

nice

[sinful karma]

programming this file rn

[ebon dew]

yeah you def got this, you're not as new as you claim 😉

[sinful karma]

that's the right one right

doing this

[ebon dew]

Just keep in mind that wippersnapper doesn't allow you to edit code... at all

it runs on arduino but it has no IDE, everything is automated with adafruitio

[sinful karma]

=\

i reflashed it and now it's doing the "file only" thing

it won't take the wippersnaper UFT

[ebon dew]

maybe a bug?

anything related to wippersnapper goes into the adafruitio channel here: https://discord.com/channels/327254708534116352/355063529302392832

that's the best place to ask for support for wippersnapper or the adafruit forums

wippersnapper exclusively runs on the AdafruitIO platform.

which is awesome so i hope you get it working. i have a wippersnapper device logging temp data right now. adafruitio really is quite amazing.

[sinful karma]

it literrally won't take the UFT for wipper

it takes any other uft

welll

it takes the circuitpy UFT, that works

[ebon dew]

maybe someone else that knows wippersnapper better will come along. i recommend posting your issue in the adafruitIO channel.

[sinful karma]

the basic "factory reset" UFT seems to do nothing

is there a test UFT i can try?

[ebon dew]

the wippersnapper developer does browse through it and help people there 😉

[sinful karma]

i don't think the issue is in wipper

i think my board is glitched somehow

[ebon dew]

sorry that's about as much as i can personally help, my knowledge with wippersnapper specifically is very limited.

[sinful karma]

no

it's not specifically wipper

[ebon dew]

the adafruit forums has a wippersnapper topic i think, you can try there too

the nuke reset doesn't work?

are you in bootloader mode when you upload it to the board?

[sinful karma]

yes

it's in a glitched state where the files are constantly open

[ebon dew]

hmm actually i think i ran into that issue once with the qt py and it was because i used the bin

[sinful karma]

no matter if i unplug it or reset it, the files never close

pressing the reset button doesn't turn the LED purple like it should either

[ebon dew]

i had to use ESPtool within python on my PC to get it to flash correctly

[sinful karma]

so i shouldn't use the browser version?

[ebon dew]

not when you're having the issue you're currently experiencing

[sinful karma]

ok

leme show you what happens rq

it just deletes the file

doesn't actually process it

this is fresh after doing a browser wipe

[ebon dew]

that one says qtpy32s2

you have an s3

[sinful karma]

do i have the wrong bin file

[ebon dew]

i think so, the s2 and s3 are completely different boards

[sinful karma]

crap i do

i have the wrong bin!!

[ebon dew]

😉

[sinful karma]

WAIIT

NO

i have the right bin

i have the WRONG wipper file!!

[ebon dew]

is there no bin for the s3?

yes that's what i meant

[sinful karma]

i had chosen ESP32-S2 in wipper

not the ESP32-S3

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/593021683972046871.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[ebon dew]

wippersnapper.qtpy_esp32s2 vs wippersnapper.qtpy_esp32s3, easy mistake

[sinful karma]

lol

well it's cause i had to scroll down ONE INCH on the page where you select which board you have

A vs B

literally right under it

and i didn't see that

[ebon dew]

ahh yeah that's an easy one to miss then

https://tenor.com/view/caroline-cameron-sportsnet-round2-round-two-sign-gif-17953909

good luck!

[dusk raft]

Yeah I'm not sure the difficulty of tryin to flash blank esp32 chips

[sinful karma]

it works!

[ebon dew]

hug reports always appreciated https://discord.com/channels/327254708534116352/350336520495955978 😉

[sinful karma]

is there a specific UFT for arduino?

[thick wind]

Arduino doesn’t use uf2, typically the arduino ide will compile and upload the sketch for you.

[tardy badger]

The exception to this is the RP2040

It compiles a UF2

[sinful karma]

@ebon dew can you help?

trying to do the esptool flash

[dusk raft]

how many times I can read/write to a ATtiny85

[sinful karma]

it fails at random points

never at the same block

actually

that's wrong

the farthest it ever gets is 37%

[sinful karma]

you see, i can't compile the arduino code into a uft file because the board is constantly in a "usb stick" mode which makes it so the arduino software can't see it and therefore can't upload to it

[thick wind]

It should upload to the Rpi-RP2 drive when you put it in boot loader mode.

[sinful karma]

what?

do i have to put the QT Py into bootloader mode every time i upload arduino code?

[thick wind]

Nope, only the first time. After an arduino sketch is uploaded, the board should be detectable by the arduino ide’s com port scanning.

You do have to put it into boot loader to switch between arduino/cpy

[sinful karma]

okay

i don't use python

YEAH

FINALLY

it runs arduino code!!

and yells "hello" thru the serial monitor lol

[thick wind]

It does?

[tardy badger]

It does

And the pushes the UF2 to the RPI-RP2 drive

[sinful karma]

hmm

this is really weird

every time i upload, i have to put it in bootloader mode

every time

and every time that i put it into bootloader mode, the IDE just chooses a random ESP32 device and thinks "yep, that's the one that's plugged in"

it has literally said that my ESP32-S3 QT-Py is like 5 different ESP32 boards

like actually why

i can tell the IDE which board i actually have, and then it works fine

just funny to see it guess

[sinful karma]

after it uploads, i press the reset button

it resets fine

but

there's no serial output

[sinful karma]

man i hate this

nothing works

uploading code is a nightmare

i'm not even sure if what i'm trying to do is working

i'm seriously considering switching to circuitpython just because of how much this sucks

even though i know nothing about circuitpython

[late fulcrum]

I think the data sheet guarantees a certain number of writes (I think it's like 100k), and you can get considerably more depending on temperature, luck, etc. Reads don't cause wear, so they're fine.

[late fulcrum]

Each time the board renegotiates USB, it probably gets a different device number.

[delicate stream]

Anecdotal info: I switched from Arduino to CP as soon as I learned about CP and found it pretty dang easy

Even converting older projects in most cases

[sinful karma]

so i should?

[late fulcrum]

You can give CP a try, or set up your system to recognize particular devices and assign them the same port ID whenever they connect, or just put up with the random port assignment. I have done all three of these at different times, depending on the situation and my mood.

[delicate stream]

Personally I’d say so; the only reason I see to use Arduino over CP is if you need everything as fast as possible (Arduino is faster because it’s compiled, whereas CP is interpreted) or need to squeeze something on a teeny tiny storage board (CP libraries can take considerably more space because it isn’t JUST the bits you need being put on the board, it’s that entire library). Or if you’re using 8-bit MCUs or something

[sinful karma]

i would much rather use arduino cause i'm very familliar with it, but this board just hates me and choses to not work

[split light]

I'm planning on stealing a chip from a product I bought on Amazon (https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6042) to use in a project, so I bought a little SMD removal kit (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0019UZP7I) to help me take the chip.

...I just realized it's an RoHS compliant product and the kit I bought was meant for leaded PCBs. Will it still work or should I return the kit and try to find a different one?

I found this version of the kit on their site just now. It's not listed on Amazon (https://www.chipquik.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=220001)

[late fulcrum]

I suppose it's worth a try. Removing lead free solder is more annoying than removing leaded solder, due to its higher melting point, but the Chipquik alloy for leaded might still help. Alternatively, you could return it and get the right product for lead free solder.

[severe gale]

finally got my new generator refurbed 🙌
it's clearly been beat on but it's working, so it's worth its weight in gold. 125Mhz on two channels, and it's an arb!

[blissful roost]

https://github.com/google/cdc-file-transfer

[coarse notch]

@sinful karma If you want to use Arduino with your board, I suggest you summarize the issue you are seeing with resetting in #help-with-arduino . The #general-chat is not the best place is get support.

[tardy badger]

pricing out the assembly cost to have some boards made with JLCPCB. darn if I couldn't do it cheaper hand assembling. plus I'd still have to place a few parts myself.

it doesn't help that i'm paying a premium on certain parts over what I could get if I bought them bulk like I have before.

[tardy badger]

It’s not Parmesan cheese anymore, it’s Italian sprinkles

[dusty citrus]

some example for a resume portfolio for electronics? I see a lot of people gaining visibility by doing dumb trendy stuff like banana random generator usefull for btc, or printing on paper results of chatgpt but huh

[dusty citrus]

parmesan is an imitation 🙈

[tardy badger]

For reference, I’m talking about fresh shredded real Parmesan

Ya know, Parmesan Reggiano

[dusty citrus]

parmigiano reggiano, parmesan is the us/uk knockoff

[tardy badger]

They sell Parmesan reggiano at Costco

Has a nice thick crust on it

[dusty citrus]

in the end although is the same thing, it's just different country/lobbies ah

[delicate stream]

I need Italian sprinkles for my spaghetti… currently I just have Italian dandruff

[dusty citrus]

I puked

[tardy badger]

It’s not Parmesan Reggiano unless it comes from your cousin Reggiano. Otherwise it’s just Italian sprinkles

[blissful roost]

Good for a nice soup. 👍

[rapid geode]

parmesan here is the kraft stuff in the can on the shelf.

grana padama is basically the same as parmesan without the PDO so its usually cheaper.

[dusty citrus]

at least you have selection
here is not existing
what's even funnier is that our fda version, reports against "fakes" as being unsafe
ridicolous

[blissful roost]

Glad I'm in the UK..

[tardy badger]

We get imported Reggiano from Italy, it’s available at Costco. It’s just produced to meet regulations around bugs and whatnot

Only $949 🙂

[blissful roost]

US?

[delicate stream]

Does it cure balding and make you immortal?!?!

[tardy badger]

Yup

[delicate stream]

wow

[tardy badger]

Cheese is magical regardless

[blissful roost]

Unfortunate timing..... Lol

[tardy badger]

Lol

[delicate stream]

*perfect

[tardy badger]

🤣

[blissful roost]

Shame you can't import proper haggis..

[delicate stream]

Only Italian dandruff in my house...

[tardy badger]

Yeah, you can make it if you know someone who has sheep

[tardy badger]

Imagine if it wasn’t actually 100% grated

[blissful roost]

Indeed.. seems a bit daft to ban imports of haggis though

[tardy badger]

Protectionist policies make life less vibrant

[blissful roost]

Yuh huh... But "freedum!" amiright? Lol

[tardy badger]

Lool

[blissful roost]

Also... Can you even find back bacon anywhere??

[tardy badger]

Anyway, that block of parmigiano Reggiano is $13ish a pound, I buy 1.5-2lb blocks of it and shred it down

[rapid geode]

parmesan is easy to make actually

theres not really a valid reason for it to be expensive

[tardy badger]

I get so many containers of shred Parmesan that way

Way more than the preshred containers

[rapid geode]

it is 200g for $8-$12 here (depends on brand and store)

[tardy badger]

I enjoy my Italian cheese very much

[rapid geode]

preshred is bad. (usually). it has starch to make it not stick to itself whick makes it useless for any melting

[tardy badger]

Yeah

[blissful roost]

200g, £3.49

[delicate stream]

Pretty sure it's available, but you need to specify, because it's side cut by default here

[rapid geode]

i have in my fridge... cheddar, gruyere, pecorino romano, parmagiano reggiano, fresh mozzarella. hmm, thats it. ha.

i had some red liecester but i eated it

[blissful roost]

To be fair, belly bacon is still good.. but it's not for the fried breakfast.

[tardy badger]

Eh, i prefer it over slabs.