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[shy cipher]

#question I'm trying out multiple StemmaQT sensors at once, which works on a QT PY, within reason. Just got a TMP117, and seem to be running out of memory with it and ONE other sensor. Will removing all the comments from the TMP117 library help with my memory issues? Is "compiling" (compressing) the modified tmp117.py file an easy process?

[inner spade]

@open girder Always inspired and inspiring.

[open girder]

thanks folks

[proven crow]

Yes, compiling/compressing is very easy.

cd circuitpython/mpy-cross
make
./mpy-cross tmp117.py```

[shell mason]

@autumn turret or maybe not

[proven crow]

Not sure it will actually help though.

It probably removes the comments automatically

[nova totem]

Depends also if you are running out of memory or disk space. I don't believe it saves on RAM even as a mpy. The #help-with-circuitpython channel would be able to give you an answer for sure. Sorry can't recall for sure at the moment

[shy cipher]

Perhaps @open girder can confirm if that would be the case or not

[rancid depot]

Hi all!

[shy cipher]

Would guess RAM, the 32KB...TMP117 library is 21KB. I added the flash chip to my QT PY, so plenty of room.

[nova totem]

I needed this header thing 4 weeks ago when I ordered a bunch of ones too short! Luckily exactly half so I could double them

[nova totem]

I ran into a similar issue with another sensor. the QTPY can have lots of storage but the SAMD21 doesn't have a lot of RAM

[proven crow]

Check out this: https://learn.adafruit.com/building-circuitpython/adding-frozen-modules

[shell mason]

i missed the start of why was moved

[proven crow]

Short answer: BLM. So a good reason

[shell mason]

its thursday so not so many people chatting

[wet gorge]

just got a package today! get to figure out how i2c works later haha

[shell mason]

when comes BLM I feel like idont matter at all

[open girder]

move to thurs to give our team time with all that was going on, all good

it' back to weds next week

[rancid depot]

Colin's videos are so simple but you learn alot. Just a minimal style. Awesome!

[wet gorge]

i LOVE colins lab notes

[nova totem]

I love my panavisa, it's so great if anyone is ever wondering about it

[spiral bough]

Love you guys at Adafruit!

[spiral bough]

I second that! Such a helpful tool!

[shy cipher]

I realized that too late, but I'm sure I'll find some other use for them...was glad to pick up some RP2040 QTPY and Feather boards recently too, for the additional breathing room.

[shy cipher]

Interesting, I may poke at that.

[spiral bough]

Ooh, does that mean you could post a tester video on each product repo? People seem to love those.

[open girder]

@spiral bough yep!

[ivory flax]

Question: which Discord channel would I use to discuss a issue in the Mag-Tag Goggle calender program . It crashes when there is an all day event scheduled. I understand what is causing the crash but need help in fixing it.

[nova totem]

#help-with-circuitpython will give you help in fixing it

[ivory flax]

Thanks. So frustrating and I am weak at Jason code

[nova totem]

If you want feel free to tag me when you ask about it, though I'm not an expert either I can look at it

[wet gorge]

does anyone have a link to the page the livestream is on? "Learn" or something?

nevermind just found it in the description

[spiral bough]

learn.adafruit.com would be my guess.

[wet gorge]

yep! thanks :)

[proven crow]

Did I miss the S&T recap?

[shell mason]

puppy might have being in start or not today

[grand tusk]

Just like a pizza oven.

[shell mason]

poor SD card

[upper sandal]

the silence is eerie

[spiral bough]

That person is way better at soldering quickly than I am...

[wet gorge]

oh no! the SD card!!!

[nova totem]

they weren't giving any cards out in Canada as far as I know, I just got my first shot yesterday

[hot frigate]

OMG! I was thinking of one of those. Right now, my wife and my cards are sitting on two Bundled-up-Bernie's lap.

[shell mason]

i am worried for other reason than get first dose of vaccine

[spiral bough]

If you are a veteran contact your local VA, they are helping administer shots to vets!

[nova totem]

even in less then ideal weather the solar will hold up! I've had a panel and battery outside for almost a year now, through less the ideal weather

[shell mason]

Mark: what kind of weather?

[nova totem]

A central Canadian prairie winter, we hit -30 and below several times this winter, to over +30C in the summer. Snow, rain...

[shell mason]

@nova totem for snow the indirect light is good as snow is reflective if you have 2 side solar panel

[nova totem]

the biggest problem i had was the low sun angle, and my neighbors trees getting in the way

[shell mason]

hinge system is cool for sure or like have side monitor

getting to better ergonomics for it

[dim knot]

Microsoft Machine Learning Kit for Lobe with Raspberry Pi 4 8GB https://www.adafruit.com/product/5024

40-pin FPC to Straight 2x20 IDC Male Plug Header https://www.adafruit.com/product/4904

40-pin FPC to Right Angle 2x20 IDC Male Plug Header Adapter https://www.adafruit.com/product/4897

40-pin FPC to Right Angle 2x20 IDC Female Socket Header https://www.adafruit.com/product/4909

40-pin FPC to Straight 2x20 IDC Female Socket Header https://www.adafruit.com/product/4905

[strange mantle]

a t cobbler variant with that FPC might be neat

[shell mason]

i was thinking where is george today when its unusual time for ask an engineer

[dim knot]

40-pin 0.5mm pitch FPC Flex Cable with A-B Connections - 25cm long https://www.adafruit.com/product/4933

It's not Wenesday! 🙂

[upper sandal]

woooo that's a fast spin !

[spiral bough]

That does look nice!

[dim knot]

ScoutMakes FM Radio Kit https://www.adafruit.com/product/4968

[slow spire]

@open girder is now a radio shack. 🙂

[dim knot]

ScoutMakes Robot Kit https://www.adafruit.com/product/4967

[rancid depot]

Thanks @adafruit for letting me sell my kits on your platform. Scoutmakes was born last year during the Pandemic and is named after my daughter Scout. Hope to get more little girls and everyone into STEM! Thank you!

[nova totem]

I thought I remembered those from Show and Tell! Congrats

[open girder]

yay! that is great to see ya here @rancid depot

[shell mason]

DVI-D or DVI-I?

[spiral bough]

That is really cool! Nice kits!

[dim knot]

Raspberry Pi 4 Pro Mounting Plate for HQ Camera https://www.adafruit.com/product/5026

[rancid depot]

Thanks all!

[shell mason]

nice @rancid depot

[dim knot]

Raspberry Pi Zero Pro Plate for HQ Camera https://www.adafruit.com/product/5025

Adafruit DVI Breakout Board - For HDMI Source Devices https://www.adafruit.com/product/4984

[split gazelle]

great to see your kits in the store @rancid depot !

[shell mason]

animated too wow

[echo canopy]

Question for the show... can the DVI do “hello word” in white text over a say black screen? And thoughts on how quickly it can update words ? Any plans for example code of that ?9

[nova totem]

@open girder Question: for a QFN part would you recommend making the pads a little larger then the chip while making prototypes, especially as a beginner to be able to see if it reflowed correctly?

[digital crescent]

where are you hosting the neotrinkey animations? I want to display them on an lcd

[proven crow]

Did I miss the S&T segment 😆

[shell mason]

trinkey animations with real trinkey

[nova totem]

So follow up, upgraded tool, just one of the hot air stations you sell would work well? All I have is a toaster oven I coverted at the moment

[wet gorge]

do you have any guides on how to get an i2c display to work? i just received your 14-segment display with i2c backpack and have no clue where to start.

[slow spire]

NeoTrinkey NFT something something.

[shell mason]

@slow spire there is a idea and have NFT Trinkey too

[proven crow]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/1869 is good, I have it

[dim knot]

Are Circuitpython boards outselling Arduino based boards?

[shell mason]

you know as crypto wallet can get hardware too so yeah that could be a idea

[lilac tusk]

Have you had any difficulties sourcing parts on board restocking?

[rancid depot]

Its sooo hard to finish projects! Just gotta push. Seeing Ladyada demo my projects was worth it all 😃

[lilac tusk]

It seems to be hard to find 3.3V ldo anymore

[slow spire]

NeoTrinkey NFT NFC yada yada. (I really shouldn't be encouraging this modern tulip mania.)

[spiral bough]

If time and resources weren't limited, what electronics would you like to make for Adafruit that you aren't right now?

[rancid depot]

DHL shipping for parts from China is slow. Clearing customs is also slow. Just the way things are right now.

[slow spire]

Good call on “not forever Trinkeys” and link to a physical good.

“And we could team up with Particle” -- I just LOLLED

[desert orbit]

have you guys played with this power monitor chip yet? it looks pretty interesting, sparkfun made a board for it already:

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/17873

[viral sail]

👽 🌎

[spiral bough]

Yes!

[shell mason]

earth day

[split gazelle]

thanks for a great show!

[nova totem]

thanks for show and answers

[lilac tusk]

Thanks for a great show

[rancid depot]

Thanks @open girder

[lilac tusk]

And for the inspiration

[viral sail]

Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌔

[rancid depot]

Thanks @community

[spiral bough]

Take care love you humans!

[dim knot]

Later you gators! 🙂

[slow spire]

@desert orbit Adafruit also stocks a $10 INA219 breakout https://www.adafruit.com/product/904

[desert orbit]

@slow spire I love that breakout and I've got a few of em on the bench 😄 But the ACS37800 has a lot going on that makes it interesting, would love to see it show up in Adafruit land since the red boards clash with my aesthetic 😉

[slow spire]

Well, it is a SparkX board, which is black. 🙂

And it should be compatible with STEMMA.

[desert orbit]

lol, duh. 😂 been a long day.

[slow spire]

Oh wow, @desert orbit ; I see now that it is non-contact, working through the wire insulation using the Hall effect.

Looks like it's good for higher voltage applications (but not low current ones) than the INA219 breakout.

[desert orbit]

I'm still poring over the datasheet. Definitely not good for low current, but having voltage + current in the same setup is pretty nice, at least

datasheet: https://www.allegromicro.com/-/media/files/datasheets/acs37800-datasheet.ashx?sc_lang=en&hash=1C7B0351F268B7F35F9A980074E4AA61

[slow spire]

Looks like the INA219 also does voltage + current, as in this Arduino example:
https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-ina219-current-sensor-breakout/arduino-code

[desert orbit]

Oh snap. 😄 I've only used it for current so far, haven't really spent quality time with it yet (but its on deck for tinkering once I'm done with a few more repairs)

[slow spire]

@desert orbit Here's @haughty quiver 's recent demo of it, in CircuitPython: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKlyn3_RNo

[desert orbit]

Thanks for the link! 😄

[grand tusk]

Is this your 14-segment display? https://learn.adafruit.com/14-segment-alpha-numeric-led-featherwing

[upper sandal]

that's the featherwing, the backpack one is that: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1911

with a common guide for the I2C LED backpacks https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-led-backpack

[wet gorge]

yes but with a different backpack

[wet gorge]

yep it’s this one

[rapid hornet]

notes doc for today's stream is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F456KGca_iohGraeETSAyHY1mFcPCvPnXt336sK71Fs/edit#

[left pier]

I'm on time for once !

[light stump]

Hey all y’all cool people

[left pier]

It's not 2am ...

[nova totem]

I, for once, didn't schedule myself a late friday call at work so got here on time

[sly radish]

Hello

[left pier]

when is when I usually watch

[simple fractal]

I am also almost on time.

[left pier]

I had zero reaction, but my wife had a fever of 101 for an evening after the 2nd shot 💉

[nova totem]

I had virtually none from the AZ shot but most people I know how chills/soreness for 12-24 hours

[eager matrix]

Hi Scott. Hope you're doing well.

[left pier]

Deep Tangents ... 🙂

[timid plover]

clap to sync?

[simple fractal]

_is watching lights blink on router _

[upper sandal]

I need to add git chicken to my gitconfig

[simple fractal]

yay, that magic 'Power it off and on' worked.

No chickens were damaged during this

[wind spoke]

Hello.

(1) Will circup know what mpy to take based on version of the board?

[left pier]

Yes

[upper sandal]

yup

[wind spoke]

(2) How will the learn guide new zip thing behave?

[upper sandal]

circup 7.x support is not released I believe ?

[left pier]

Circup knows to use the bundle that matches your CP version

[wind spoke]

Circup is smart.

So I could take the zip from the learn guide... then circup the thing!

[left pier]

The original dev added that logic (ntoll)

[eager matrix]

do you have plans to support the Arduino Portenta?

[ancient grotto]

Hello Hello

[simple fractal]

Maybe waiting this long might not have been the best idea 🙂

[nova totem]

i was looking at the 1.11 PR and yeah the scope is insane

[simple fractal]

stage 1, Don't Panic.

[wind spoke]

Are each of the 1.1x going to be tested, or we only care about the last one?

[nova totem]

Is there anything particular you're looking for in the merge reviews? I did look through the 1.11 PR, and built it for the RP2040. Not sure what else I can do?

[eager matrix]

It's dual core M7/M4

[wind spoke]

The changelog will be crazy...

[left pier]

Maybe we can get community to run automation on different boards ...

[simple fractal]

if I build with the current main is 1.10 merged there?

[left pier]

And provide some tests. ...

[wind spoke]

An issue we find in 1.12 could be fixed in 1.14.

[brazen quail]

Does the toolchain allow for a code builder front end ?

[wind spoke]

So maybe we just make a list of things to verify later?

Just a regression list.

[left pier]

1.10 was merged yesterday

[simple fractal]

thnks

[nova totem]

merging code like this is so thankless, so thank you! (and good luck staying sane)

[wind spoke]

Just try every project from the learn system. 🙂

[fresh granite]

How often is this done?

[modern night]

yes, I'm trying to wrap my head around the scale and approach of this and I feel like that'd be insightful for me

[sly radish]

Oh Yes ... I would love to hear your input

[wind spoke]

Is there a difference in merging the change from MP into CP... and redoing the change from CP into the last MP? (does that make sense)

So we will have a lot of new string to weblate...

Is it obvious that this is very interesting?

[ancient grotto]

Did I hear Weblate?

[wind spoke]

Is MP in Australian English? Is it different from EN/UK and EN/USA?

[clever summit]

Hi @ancient grotto 😎

[ancient grotto]

Hello @clever summit how is it going?

[clever summit]

Well....

[cinder wind]

I thought CircuitPython already supported underscores in numeric literals. On 6.2.0 on QT Py, I can do a = 1_000_000; print(a) and it's a number

gotcha

[wind spoke]

So will testing with .py possibly give different result from testing with .mpy ???

[autumn turret]

Good afternoon deep divers

[clever summit]

So the weblate gang is complete. Are we at 100%?

[wind spoke]

So what do we test (first)???

[ancient grotto]

Yes.... 🙂

it has been a while!

[clever summit]

We rock!

[autumn turret]

[ancient grotto]

[autumn turret]

We roll!
🧻

Errr. Wrong roll?

[clever summit]

[full briar]

I believe the British version is complete and at your service!

[wind spoke]

How much different is the British version?

[full briar]

Well, the main difference is the hard crash message

[autumn turret]

I think it's a toUch better spelled 😉

[left pier]

lot more "u"s for some reason

[wind spoke]

Will someone translate the British version back into US version ???

[full briar]

It might get thrown out....

[autumn turret]

What's "littlefs"?

[full briar]

It is better initialised and optimised

[wind spoke]

I am non native, so I usually don't know if I read US or UK English. Same when I speak or write. Sometime I know about differences, but hard to tell what version is US or UK.

[ancient grotto]

UK/US english are they are no the same?

[wind spoke]

colour vs color

[autumn turret]

All OS's "speak" FAT

Center vs. Centre

[upper sandal]

the differences are as thin as a sheet of aluminium

[wind spoke]

OMG

[autumn turret]

LUL @upper sandal - well played!

There's no "U" in "honour" in US english

[wind spoke]

We only care about the written difference... but there are spoken differences. Are they usually the same???

[upper sandal]

potato potato ?

[left pier]

The approach is just to release a new board every month ....

[wind spoke]

I need an AI that will identify if it is EN/US, EN/UK or a mix...

[autumn turret]

There are some, like "aluminum" vs. "aluminium" in pronounciation

[sly radish]

EXACRLY the detail I was hping for

[upper sandal]

aloomeenoom makes me think of "mahna mahna"

[ancient grotto]

pitypitypi

[brazen quail]

What on chip peripherals are used for a Neo pixel ? One channel of a timer ?

[autumn turret]

I've used the STP protocol, but that was on my car 🥁

[wind spoke]

For reason I totally do not remember, I started to download the UK version and install that one. Do we have language stats between the two?

[autumn turret]

I'm sorry, "walrus" operator?

[timid plover]

:= looks like a walrus teeth 🙂

[left pier]

https://realpython.com/lessons/assignment-expressions/

[autumn turret]

I've never heard that, and I learned in Pascal where THAT was the assignment operator

[timid plover]

:= added between 3.7 and 3.8 in cpython I think

[autumn turret]

So is there a difference between foo = bar and foo := bar?

[upper sandal]

it's used to do the horror that is if a := something()

[timid plover]

I ran into := not being supported in google colab (which used python 3.7 ) - refactored code to work around it

( so I was using it )

[wind spoke]

Was there a time where people were saying that using foo and bar make IT less accessible and it is not good for STEM and being open? Is that still the opinion?

[waxen thistle]

Good afternoon all you wonderful folks!

[autumn turret]

Greetings, you certainly wonderful individual!

[balmy tinsel]

With threading an interrupts couldn't we just write them in a c code block to use that inside circuit python?

Kinda defeats the point I would agree, just a thought I had since those are two common requests.

[left pier]

Could you rename the cp Ports folder do eliminate all these naming conflicts ?

KK

[sly radish]

LOVE this input

[timid plover]

I'd like to hear what you 'outside' project is?

[autumn turret]

Sounds like an agenda - fix the CI, then while that works and builds, talk about "outside" project?

[sly radish]

give yourself a break ...

[autumn turret]

Oh yeah, LOVE RescueTime

[sly radish]

YIKES !

[left pier]

@ornate coyote lol

[ornate coyote]

@left pier We've all done it - right? or just me?

[left pier]

100%

[autumn turret]

Those who haven't done it, are lying about not having done it!

[left pier]

Or spend 4 hours trying to fix something... go to bed. Fix it in 3 minutes in the morning.

[autumn turret]

Love the "worktree" feature of Git for some large changeset diffs

or manual "bisect"

[tame dew]

You mean go to bed at 3am ?

[left pier]

I'm guilty of that a lot

[autumn turret]

Why not git blame to get when that line was added?

...which you ultimately did. Don't mind me

[timid plover]

like you preach - git status is your friend!

[left pier]

Are you using mind control

[autumn turret]

Am I? Or.... am I? 😉

[timid plover]

can you extract what the c preprocessor is actually generating
e.g. gcc -E - maybe the macro is doing something weird

[grand tusk]

@dcd inconceivable

[timid plover]

( you solved it in your head 🙂 )

[ancient grotto]

cherry picked? ohh...

[autumn turret]

Are you getting the diff between MP's v1.x and v1.(x+1), and then cherry-picking that?

Ah, ok. That's what I missed. Thanks for clarifying

So how are you bringing in the per-release changes from MP?

[grand tusk]

CP cherry-picked

[autumn turret]

Cool, thanks for the clarification

[left pier]

Scott makes WA better so I don't have to ...

Or he tricks me into helping (by it being a great idea)

[autumn turret]

Mind manipulation!

[wind spoke]

Put law in git to better track legislation. And new law are PR...

Code is Law (or was it the opposite).

[tame dew]

Mind blown. So obvious.

[sly radish]

Having lived in Washington state ... far east of Seattle ... connectivity is sparse

[autumn turret]

Gives "git blame" a whole new meaning!

[left pier]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/11/how-i-changed-the-law-with-a-github-pull-request/

[wind spoke]

I am an "expert" in serving elected representative that vote law and make amendment... but not in US.

[left pier]

https://abevoelker.com/gitlaw-github-for-laws-and-legal-documents-a-tourniquet-for-american-liberty/

[autumn turret]

Pull request, with "allow maintainer edits"

[sly radish]

GovOps ?

[left pier]

Just tell me we don't have to hand enter 50 states legal code ...

(we did that for ElectionCal)

[wind spoke]

But then you have git conflict when multiple amendment proposal want to change the same portion. And there are rules to know what amendment will be voted first. One there is one amendment that is voted, it can void the other tentative to change that same piece.

[autumn turret]

Probably not. I'm sure that some states have laws against reproducing laws and codes

[left pier]

law (and contracts) are not copyrightable

[autumn turret]

Oh, I know. Doesn't prevent them from trying!

[left pier]

lol

[tame dew]

Most unique deep dive ever.

[wind spoke]

law might not be copyrightable, but they trick by saying you have to respect that standard that is non free and copyrighted.

No one is supposed to ignore the law, but it is made difficult to access.

[tame dew]

Scott for Legislature!

[wind spoke]

Warning, I am non US, so our rules might be different... don't take what I say as valid.

It is just the kind of "problem" you encounter in that field.

There are XML standards for laws, at least we have.

[left pier]

https://reason.com/2020/04/27/supreme-court-rules-that-georgia-cant-copyright-its-annotated-code/

[tame dew]

I did some terrible things with awk to manipulate my grad school data, files, graphs and thesis/dissertation.

[wind spoke]

We do even have Free Software to deal with amendment.

[autumn turret]

So you've heard of/dealt with OASIS?

[wind spoke]

I think we invented our own standard...

[left pier]

Oasis never was going to be bigger than the Beatles ...

[autumn turret]

I work in the space that deals with LegalXML and ECF
http://docs.oasis-open.org/legalxml-courtfiling/specs/ecf/v4.01/ecf-v4.01-spec/ecf-v4.01-spec.html

[fast onyx]

Gotta love open data! 💜

[autumn turret]

"wa-law", I love that it spelled like people pronounce "voila"

[left pier]

Sea-law ...
https://library.municode.com/wa/seattle/codes/municipal_code

[wind spoke]

One thing to remember is that most elected representative are not heavy git user (there are some exception). And git is challenging, for many people in IT.

[left pier]

They don't write the bills they sponsor... their staff does that

[wind spoke]

Amendment are verified by legal expert to make sense before being voted.

[left pier]

I'm just a bill ... On capital hill ...

[wind spoke]

There is bill and there is amendment.

Just remember that you are only touching at the "text" version, but there is also the semantic, the meaning and how pieces of the same law interact, and how various law interact, ...

The text change are usually attach with the "recital", that is the explanation. When a juge need to understand the law, he can look at the documentation of why that piece was put there.

Do not forget about dead code...

You have piece of law that are not accessible, not used anymore.

So now, you need to figure out what was the law applicable at that particular time. 🙂

[timid plover]

Very cool @rapid hornet !

[tame dew]

I’ve used subversion a long time ago for similar documents version control. Git is so much better suited.

[left pier]

This is great Scott.

[fast onyx]

It's an interesting one from a visualisation/art-ish sort of thing. This is pretty cool!

[wind spoke]

Just for fun... where I work, the law is translated into 24(?) languages. So it need to make sense in every languages. And amendment can be deposit in any of those languages.

[left pier]

When you're ready to share more widely let us know

[tame dew]

I might need to move to WA state to vote for Scott for Legislator

[timid plover]

would be nice to trace it back to who contributed funding to the sponsors!

[tame dew]

Machine transmogrification

[wind spoke]

Are they already using AI for law making?

[left pier]

When Scott runs for office all those snake puppet photos are going to need to be explained.

[wind spoke]

And then you will track who vote what...

at the amendment level.

[tame dew]

Real “git blame”

[modern night]

I've wanted to see something like this for a while, this is fantastic! Bills and terms of service agreements are things I wish I could track history of it better

[wind spoke]

You are not the first...

[left pier]

Isn't someone tracking TOS

[tame dew]

You’d need to track abstain and other non binary states.

[wind spoke]

If state were reusing code in law making (and making it accessible/public), then we could reuse code in observing the activity of our elected representative...

That would be money saving for each state.

[waxen thistle]

Thanks Scott for another excellent Deep Dive 🙂

[wind spoke]

Now I wonder what part was more interesting for me...

Thank you.

[tame dew]

Random walk find of the day: https://github.com/rust-embedded/awesome-embedded-rust#adafruit

[left pier]

Thanks Scott for all your efforts on CP and Voila WA-Law

[ancient grotto]

Thanks Scott

[modern night]

Thanks for the fantastic deep dive!

[normal pumice]

See ya, Thanks

[wind spoke]

Don't forget the thumb up.

[grand tusk]

Thanks Scott!

[left pier]

The MP merge walkthrough was also awesome!

[rapid hornet]

thanks all!

[autumn turret]

Thanks Scott. Your time and sharing of expertise are much appreciated

[clever summit]

So time for live stream again! Wohoo!

[smoky island]

I will be streaming some PR testing and other fun stuff this morning. Hang out with me here in the chat, and on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch or Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjz0vMw-Jl8

[clever summit]

It's going fine. Todays project is a network KVM using Pi-KVM, needed to get remote access to my old server. It's VGA only, and my new monitors does not support VGA. 🙂

Luckily I had all needed hardware already, so the project was done after 30 minutes.

[manic vessel]

@smoky island Good luck with the stream. I have to go and do mother-in-law and grandmother-in-law duty. Next week, maybe.

[upper sandal]

hi internet 👋

[grand tusk]

hey there 👋

alive and beeping

[grand tusk]

In the learn guide the sample TLC59711 has two pins labeled R0.

R0 G0 B0/R0 G1 B1

I posted some feedback on the learn guide.

[grand tusk]

Items in /lib seem to be aligned.

[upper sandal]

use image triangles then !

oh yeah you get them from the big json

I think it uses the file in the release from github:
https://github.com/adafruit/CircuitPython_Community_Bundle/releases/download/20210424/circuitpython-community-bundle-20210424.json

ah wait that's community

https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_Bundle/releases/download/20210423/adafruit-circuitpython-bundle-20210423.json

hmmmmm

you get the pypi names, which you can search in the same json since each entry has a pypi_name entry

it has a package property which I believe says if it's a mpy/package folder

I haven't looked into it, I'm not sure where the code for the "bundler fly" is, but I always keep an eye on circup, and it's gonna switch to using that file

I have used Imagemagick in php, I can't help you with PIL 😉

oh I didn't see dependencies doesn't use the pypi name

[autumn turret]

Belated but hearty greetings everyone

I'm struggling with beting/staying awake, but that's the worse of my complaints, so all in all, quite good. How are you doing FoamyGuy?

[upper sandal]

[clever summit]

Hahaha! @smoky island just activated my echo with the Hugo greeting. She thanks you and sends her regards!

[autumn turret]

That request that LadyAda has yesterday?

Cool!

[clever summit]

Oh, the Nest mini. Not echo.

[upper sandal]

maybe it's called "Hugo" 😛

[autumn turret]

That's awesome! It's really cool project, and that's a really REALLY good use case for it!

The "Alexa" wake word can be changed, and "Computer" is one of them

So you can actually say "Computer, red alert!"

or "Computer. Earl Grey, hot."

[clever summit]

Hey (hu)Go(ogle) perhaps.

[autumn turret]

How are you doing @upper sandal and @clever summit?

[clever summit]

Happens alot so I wasn't surprised.

I'm fine. Todays project went almost too easy.

https://twitter.com/JonnyBergdahl/status/1385965747927756802

[autumn turret]

"Convoluted and it works" or is it "Convoluted yet it works"?

[clever summit]

Hooked up my server and it almost worked. Had to reboot the server to get the stupid server graphics to actually output something.

[autumn turret]

Pretty cool

[clever summit]

Yeah, that was kinda cool. I remoted in to the pi in a browser using software running on itself, so it actually sent HID commands out the OTG port in to itself.

[autumn turret]

lol

[clever summit]

Needed to test without involving the server as I had to add VGA to HDMI adapters and stuff.

[autumn turret]

So you can feed a command to the pi, which will feed itself a command to feed itself a command?

[clever summit]

Exactly!

[autumn turret]

And then you have a singularity on your hands

[clever summit]

I was afraid I was creating a black hole somehow.

[autumn turret]

Compact is good, but want to make sure it's still legible for people with vision issues, and specially screen readers

[clever summit]

Screen readers don't do images?

[autumn turret]

Oh right, images

That's what the "Alt" tag is for

[clever summit]

Yep.

[autumn turret]

I was in HTML thinking for some reason

[clever summit]

I always use that tag. <img alt="An image" />

😬

[autumn turret]

You could make a function that returns a tuple, like "Given line size of x, icon size is y, what are all the sizes (padding, margin, etc)"

During the refactor anyway 😉

[clever summit]

Sounds like a plan

[autumn turret]

Hi level plan took 20 seconds to go over? SHouldn't take more than 20 minutes to complete! 🙂

Oh wait, that's how management thinks/calculates

Very cool though, and awesome progress. Looking forward to how it turns out!

When/if you're on twitch, could you post to the Discord anyway?

Twitch doesn't notify me about anyone I follow going live

Nice overlay!

The issue is, with Twitch, that if you don't follow the notifications, it starts to not notify ytou

by browser notification, even emails

[clever summit]

I never get any notifications.

[upper sandal]

you can disable smart notifications or whatever it's called

[autumn turret]

I haven't though. I want to know when some folks go live!!!

I'll cehck if maybe it checked itself again

Like YouTube automatically unsetting notifications

[upper sandal]

twitch does send emails saying "eh you haven't watched this guy for a while I'm unclicking the bell ok ?" but it hasn't done that to me in a while

[clever summit]

I have everything activated. Still no notifications. Ever.

[autumn turret]

Same

[upper sandal]

but regardless of settings, sometimes twitch is random 🤷

that's weird, I would look that up

[clever summit]

Thanks! CU l8R!

[autumn turret]

There's a team out there who does dev, very friendly and helpful (imagine Adafruit spirit of software), the Live Coders
https://www.twitch.tv/team/livecoders

[upper sandal]

see ya 👋

[autumn turret]

Take care FoamyGuy and everyone!

Now you've raided!

[smoky island]

Thanks for hanging out folks. Hope everyone has an awesome weekend!

[autumn turret]

Ah crud. Found out part of why I wasn't getting notifications from Twitch....

[smoky island]

if you have the twitch app on any mobile devices be careful as well. I ran into a thing where after I installed it on my phone it started sending my notifications there instead of the PC even though I didn't change any settings

[autumn turret]

YEah, that's the "Smart notification" that @upper sandal mentioned

It'll notify you where it best thinks you are

[upper sandal]

ah I do it all by mail

I'm old school

[smoky island]

I am hoping back on twitch for a little bit tonight and continuing work on the requirement screenshoter: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch

[smoky island]

I will be continuing work on this on twitch starting up now, if folks are interested in following along.

[modern night]

Gotta garden a bit today but I'll have the stream up lurking 🙂

[open girder]

Desk of Ladyada - These Digital Eyes SEE ALL! https://youtu.be/Zfr6PCqHuUQ

[autumn turret]

❤️ loving and helping all people

[open girder]

https://blog.adafruit.com/2021/04/25/possible-to-send-ppe-to-india-makerspaces-hackerspaces-maybe-we-can-help/

[ivory kiln]

🙂 I've been learning about relays - latching & non-latching for the OSPoC. 🙂

@open girder I'm getting much much closer to bringing the OSPoC to production. Is it possible to pick u guys's brains about bringing this completely open source kit to market? Either on here or via email?

[open girder]

@ivory kiln yah, ask here in a few

after the great search part

(what does the OSPoC stand for again?)

[ivory kiln]

OSPoC = Open Source Power Chair. Only I'm starting with a retro kit to get old power chairs functioning again. Basically strip the chair down to frame - seat - & motors. Putting the kit on & the kit will be completely open source.

[open girder]

oh right!

yah, post up a few questions here!

[ivory kiln]

K. I was talking with a lawyer that volunteers with Score, & he kept talking about & pressing to get my thing patented & what I'm doing is intentionally easily duplicatable. So, to me what's the point of patenting it? Then I wonder if he just isn't really that practiced with true "open source" product production.

Sry, it takes me a bit to word & spell stuff right.

[autumn turret]

Maybe they were planning on the patent filing process, or patent protection?

[ivory kiln]

Ya patent production is great, but nothing of mine is going to be proprietary at all.

[autumn turret]

Are Adafruit t-shirts like Ladyada is wearing available?

My not-so-great searching isn't working

[ivory kiln]

Ya exactly - the whole idea behind my doing & making this is to help get people mobile. To me - it's the idea of helping people, if others want to produce & still keep the consumer costs really low - then all the more power to them.

[autumn turret]

Thanks for the answer, great reasoning. Thank you

[ivory kiln]

O' I was going to ask, can I put stuff like that logo & the show & tell logo on shirts?

I make shirts. 🙂

Lol, in my living room.

[gusty wedge]

No... I completely missed it.

[shell mason]

logo or patch you could iron with soldering iron too if you have heads for it

[rocky reef]

Hi folks! we'll be on Hackster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE9UHARI0OQ for a chat with Alex. taking questions on projects here or on the youtube chat in 15 mins

[waxen thistle]

Excellent stream @hard hollow and @rocky reef 🙂

[rocky reef]

thanks for haning out folks!

[hard hollow]

thanks folks!

[waxen thistle]

And hats off to Liz, whose projects were featured throughout the show 🙂

[waxen thistle]

Good afternoon all you deal seekers!

[shadow epoch]

Aloha!

[empty swallow]

hi

First Product Pick I've been to, actually

[fluid drum]

Hello all

Oh man, just realized work made me miss the Ruiz bros earlier

[empty swallow]

Second Adafruit stream in total, picked up the end of the Desk of LadyAda

[inner spade]

disco party music on YT!

[clever summit]

Good Evening.

[mellow thunder]

JP in the house, Hello all!!! Trinky, YES! ordered!

[inner spade]

Mic audio in sync and peaking at -6dB. Very good.

Trinkys are on the way!

[empty swallow]

just picked up some myself

May have gotten more than one since it was cheaper

[fluid drum]

I added one of these to my order a week or two ago. One of my boys seems to have "accidentally" taken it and hooked it up to his computer.

[empty swallow]

my bank account is going to be sad at me

especially since I also just ordered some PCB fabbing

[cinder wind]

The constant flashing red is the EVERYTHING IS FINE warning

just be concerned if it stops flashing

[empty swallow]

This is gonna be really useful for cons and such!

(at least for me)

[mellow thunder]

Been waiting for these to get back in stock! so cool!

[empty swallow]

The HID stuff is going to be especially useful for me with the fun form factor

[shell mason]

the trinkey is so cool and using it like that what john showed make it more cooler

[empty swallow]

Could you have it detect when you're pressing both of them? or can it only do one at a time?

[pearl shoal]

What a great deal on those! Just bought 10 as AT Cap Touch keyboard inputs (with led mode indicator)

[inner spade]

Jack-o-lantern candle substitute. Not too soon to start thinking about the holiday season.

[empty swallow]

ooh

i bought 10 myself

[mellow thunder]

@inner spade Great idea!!!

[shadow epoch]

thank you @empty swallow that was my question as well about pressing both.

[empty swallow]

Of course!

I've never played around with CircuitPython or MicroPython or anything like that, only CPython, I can't wait to receive them and figure out how!

[cinder wind]

not sure how long a trinkey will last if actually put on your keys 🙂

[waxen thistle]

Thanks JP!

[empty swallow]

It was great to join you!

[inner spade]

Thanks!

[clever summit]

Thanks JP!

[mellow thunder]

TY

[haughty quiver]

have fun @empty swallow !

thank you all!

[empty swallow]

finally i shall go to sleep

[cinder wind]

thanks for the extra dancing, JP!

[haughty quiver]

BONUS DANCING NO EXTRA CHARGE

[inner spade]

🕺

[cinder wind]

JPDancingTrinkey coming soon

[smoky island]

I will be on https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch for a little bit tonight working on the screenshot utility if anyone wants to hang out or follow along.

[sterile forge]

?show

[lilac tusk]

?showtimes

[arctic abyss]

Desk of Ladyada - Random hacker times
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/Scott - 5pm ET Fridays

[empty swallow]

my order of NeoTrinkeys from the Product Pick have shipped, I'm excited to get my hands on them

[rocky reef]

3DHangouts Episode #325 LIVE in 10 mins! Lemon Keypad, NeoTrinkey and Hermit Crab #3DPrinting
https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live

[clear matrix]

@rocky reef I'm not sorry I already used "In the Key of Lime" in my first guide. But it would have been so fitting for this. 😄

[split gazelle]

good morning folks

[waxen thistle]

Good morning all you wonderful people!

Another fruit project? bLimey!

[rocky reef]

good morning, afternoon, evening and night folks!

[viral sail]

Good morning.

[hard hollow]

☕️⚡️

[gusty wedge]

Hi all.

[buoyant sable]

good morning all !

[lavish patrol]

Greetings good people (and others... 😉 )

[upbeat coral]

Really enjoyed the Hakster.io interview yesterday

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruit.com/free

[shell mason]

wirecast dont crash

[shadow epoch]

westcoast early checkin... where mai coffee?

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruit.com/newsletter

https://www.adafruitdaily.com

https://jobs.adafruit.com

@hard hollow @rocky reef Mic crashed again. 🎙️

[lavish patrol]

Skillz. Ai haz dem.

[shadow epoch]

nooo

[lavish patrol]

Audio's gone...

[gusty wedge]

🎙️

[hard hollow]

BRB

[lavish patrol]

Lol

[rocky reef]

changing mics, sorry folks!

[lavish patrol]

3D hangouts charades. 😄

[shell mason]

I might have cursed it

[waxen thistle]

Proof this is done live folks!

[shadow epoch]

Did I see a neotrinkey diffuser model? stoked

[waxen thistle]

Welcome back!

[lavish patrol]

We have a Go situation.

[autumn turret]

Greetings friends!

[waxen thistle]

https://learn.adafruit.com/qtpy-lemon-mechanical-keypad-macropad

Music in the key of lemon.

[autumn turret]

And clikey!

[lavish patrol]

Reminds me of Trivial Pursuit.

[rocky reef]

Learn Guide
https://learn.adafruit.com/qtpy-lemon-mechanical-keypad-macropad/

[lavish patrol]

I think the dog wants his dinner.

[rocky reef]

QT Py RP2040
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4900

[shell mason]

that one game get new way

[waxen thistle]

Computer, engage "Fuzzy Skin" protocol. Also, tea earl gray hot.

[shadow epoch]

fuzzy skin? what? /goes to upgrade cura

[rocky reef]

Layer by Layer – Fuzzy Skin
https://youtu.be/89oRp64lFfU

[shadow epoch]

Def Earl Gray Hot

[lavish patrol]

Looks like a lemon.

[shell mason]

the lemon texture

[autumn turret]

Fuzzy skin reminds me of the texture of a tennis ball

[shell mason]

yeah it does

[waxen thistle]

Food in my tupperware containers also have the fuzzy skin feature, if I give it enough time.

[rocky reef]

Kailh Mechanical Key Switches
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4955

[autumn turret]

Another great build, and with a lot of different parts of varying complexity. And yet, not a single external mechanical fastener! 🤯

[shadow epoch]

Thank you for doing snap fit everything.

[lavish patrol]

Next door neighbor: "Noe and Pedro are doing their livestream. Time to get out the lawnmower."

[autumn turret]

Funny, but this is also about the time my neighbor does his lawn - every Wednesday from the day they moved in years ago

[rocky reef]

3D Parts Library on GitHub
https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CAD_Parts

[lavish patrol]

I guess you're two doors down from Noe & Pedro...

[autumn turret]

Oooh, or using @split gazelle's 2-tone 3d printing for the media icons?

[autumn turret]

Just about! 2 door and 4 states

[rocky reef]

CircuitPython Downloads: https://circuitpython.org/
https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live #3DHangouts

[split gazelle]

that would definitely work!

[autumn turret]

That technique you came up with really made an impression - no pun intended

[lavish patrol]

Lol.

[autumn turret]

New show name idea: "Real Life & 3D Hangouts"

[waxen thistle]

Video title: "Reaction video -- home contractor discovers fully functioning Dark Saber!"

[autumn turret]

Next week - Contractor asks the brothers to 3D print a part that they need and can't get their hands on it

[lavish patrol]

Lol

[rocky reef]

NeoPixel Jewel
https://www.adafruit.com/product/2226

[autumn turret]

For Fritzing, if you're on a platform with a package manager (Linux, macOS with HomeBrew, maybe even Chocolatey or Scoop on Windows), you can get Fritzing there, but you should definitely support the project financially if you can. Totally worth it

[shell mason]

new switches with that PCB is cool to start as well

[waxen thistle]

That's something I need to do -- switch to a Windows package manager. I've gotten so spoiled with HomeBrew on MacOS.

[split gazelle]

was just going to say- project bundle also benefits guide writers as well 😺

[autumn turret]

Can't wait for Winget to be part of the core OS, and not just Insider builds

[shell mason]

adding these https://www.adafruit.com/product/4978 to that button

[autumn turret]

But for now, chocolatey.org or scoop.sh

[rocky reef]

Learn Guide Project Code: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Learning_System_Guides

[shell mason]

its awesome that WInGet @autumn turret I know it well

[autumn turret]

Cool. Are you on Insider builds, or manual install?

[shell mason]

the fastest build before win10 was released

neokeys with newjewel for this could be so great

audio

[waxen thistle]

@hard hollow @rocky reef Mic dropped again 😦

[autumn turret]

There went the audio 😦

[lavish patrol]

Audio's gone again...

[autumn turret]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mic-drop-peace-out-obama-3o7qDEq2bMbcbPRQ2c

[shell mason]

audio was crackling when it went gone

[autumn turret]

Not that kind of mic drop either

[waxen thistle]

Welcome back 🙂

[shell mason]

lemon mechanical keypad if keycaps have translutent inlet could be cool for it

so using neokeys for it works awesome

some could thing of custom lemon pcb with those neokey things

[shadow epoch]

omg too cool

[shell mason]

all the trinkeys so cool

could that work from top of that design?

[fluid drum]

That would be nice to click from the top.

[split gazelle]

zoom away from your zooms

[waxen thistle]

https://learn.adafruit.com/neo-trinkey-zoom-shortcuts

[autumn turret]

You could make a 3d printed party parrot strobe!

[lavish patrol]

@split gazelle 👍

[waxen thistle]

.....yet another awesome project brought to you by Liz 🦜

[lavish patrol]

🦜 😺 🦜 😺 🦜 😺

[split gazelle]

i'm happy to be associated with party parrots 🦜

[surreal smelt]

It would be awesome to program one of the touch switches for an SOS for campers, hikers and people that get stuck on the side of the road.

[shell mason]

if buttons are on top then you can add something to wearable thing for it then

[waxen thistle]

Shiny! 🦀

[static wedge]

Apart from this project, I suggest you revise the feather wing project and turn it into a Marvel Falcon project!

[shell mason]

this could be changed to pokemon as well

[lavish patrol]

Coconut crab FTW.

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-safe-dance-gif-13211112

[lavish patrol]

Party Crab. A partner for Party Parrot...

[shell mason]

Andy: crab rave

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dwebble_(Pokémon) could be one pokemon crab with shell

[split gazelle]

it was fantastic to hear you 3 chat together

[shell mason]

@split gazelle you was in it too as a mention

[viral sail]

Thanks @hard hollow & @rocky reef. See you tonight.

[lavish patrol]

Great show again, guys.

[waxen thistle]

Thanks @hard hollow and @rocky reef for another awesome show! It was so awesome hearing you two and Alex Glow chat yesterday! And hats off to Liz's most excellent projects 🎩

[shadow epoch]

Great show, thanks!

[split gazelle]

awesome show guys!

[waxen thistle]

?showtimes

[arctic abyss]

Desk of Ladyada - Random hacker times
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/Scott - 5pm ET Fridays

[lavish patrol]

Thanks guys.

[rocky reef]

thanks so much for hangingout folks!

[hard hollow]

thanks folks! 🙉

[fluid drum]

Good show!

[split gazelle]

good evening folks

[waxen thistle]

Good evening all you amazing makers!

[nova totem]

Good evening everyone

[trim mountain]

Greetings earthlings

[calm sphinx]

good eve!

[tulip canyon]

High fives all! 👋

[viral sail]

Good evening.

[empty swallow]

i feel like something is happening

[shadow epoch]

I love my magtag show schedule reminder. Just sayin'

[haughty quiver]

@shadow epoch yay!

[clear matrix]

Good evening, all!

[open girder]

SHOW and TELL 4/28/2021 #show-and-tell https://youtu.be/X0lR8bkod-s

Link to join to show and share your project: https://streamyard.com/uj27iua84h

[wind spoke]

Hi, I found this mask used in belgium and that save half of the O2 while giving the same among to the patient: https://twitter.com/DavidGlaude/status/1387473764288499716?s=20 It seems easy to DIY and could save live where they are running out of O2.

David Glaude (@DavidGlaude)

A Belgian invention to reduce the consumption of O2 to provide the same level of O2 to the patient.
Very easy to DIY, could be usefull for country/region running out of O2. Recommended and in use in Belgium. O2 is trap in the tube and rebreathed. #covid19 #maker #PPE https://t.co/PsBxh3SCUx

Twitter · Apr 28, 2021, 6:28 PM

[pearl shoal]

Welcome folks! Looking forward to a great S&T

[empty swallow]

oh! show and tell! this makes sense

[pearl shoal]

I'm not showing this week, but @trim mountain is 🙂

[autumn turret]

Good and pleasant evening friends!

[waxen thistle]

"Hello there." ⚔️

[haughty quiver]

I love that Gen. Greivous is weilding miniature pool noodles

[waxen thistle]

He likes to add pool noodles to his collection -cough cough-

[noble burrow]

Should I click on "Enter broadcast studio" now or wait until/if I'm called on?

[split gazelle]

click! and then you'll be in the waiting area

[upbeat coral]

The UGLY Book on steroids

[noble burrow]

Thanks!

[waxen thistle]

Ok, I like this book a LOT.

[split gazelle]

no prob! and they can't hear you unless they have you on screen

[nova totem]

That's a cool book

[calm sphinx]

wow this is great

[shadow epoch]

Thank you Digikey!

[split gazelle]

yay digikey!

[waxen thistle]

💜 💜

[haughty quiver]

[empty swallow]

[charred mason]

hello everybody!
that notebook looks great

[waxen thistle]

Woo hoo, nice to see you Chris!

[pearl shoal]

Hey @trim mountain! Good to see you

[split gazelle]

super cool @trim mountain

[haughty quiver]

that custom board is rad

nice work @trim mountain @pearl shoal

[pearl shoal]

Yeah, it's so useful even beyond the IR stuff... just having the analog input, PWM stuff is great on a Pi

[nova totem]

such a cool idea to combine the QtPy on that board

[autumn turret]

Walk away for 3 minutes, and miss a bunch of stuff. That's what replays are for!

[haughty quiver]

I'm in love with that 🍋 ⌨️

[pearl shoal]

Here's a link to @trim mountain's guide https://learn.adafruit.com/iot-ir-remote-using-raspberry-pi-zero-w-and-qtpy-hat

[calm sphinx]

forbidden fruit

so yummy lookin

[autumn turret]

Just realized, one of those buttons should be to order a lemonade. Or better yet, Arnold Palmer iced tea!

[calm sphinx]

lolol

[cinder wind]

You put cherry in the lemon? ew! haha

[autumn turret]

Apparently, there was no coconut in which there was to put the lime :/

[surreal smelt]

Hmmm wonder if you could jack that into a Lutron light system?

[pearl shoal]

That needs to send Media Control keys, right @haughty quiver?

[haughty quiver]

Yes, @pearl shoal it sends consumer control volume up or down to trigger shutter in iOS camera app.

[sudden slate]

Does anyone know when the AdaBox will ship? It seems like the time was extended.

[autumn turret]

Great project idea with the Trinkey JP

[haughty quiver]

I'm doing it in Arduino because composite USB device confuses iOS right now, but that should change in CircuitPython 7

thanks @autumn turret

[pearl shoal]

Yes, I think @paper peak's made some recent progress on that (We're also waiting that on the XBox Adaptive Controller)

[robust horizon]

yes the tests .. scott is grumbling (I grumble too), but the tests prevent us releasing bugs in these low-level things to users.

ooh we get the walrus operator?

[split gazelle]

i am the walrus

[cinder wind]

Thank you @rapid hornet! I'm very excited by the possibilities the MicroPython merge will bring with the dynamically-loaded native code MPY modules

[nova totem]

I'm not sure a lot of people realize how much work the merging is. Great work @rapid hornet

[autumn turret]

Sorry, "Party walrus" just doesn't have the same ring to it!

[split gazelle]

great work @rapid hornet

[split gazelle]

don't encourage me haha

[robust horizon]

OK I want partywalrusgif now

[autumn turret]

lol

[nova totem]

Same here, have an idea I want to try with the mpy already

[waxen thistle]

why not? what's the worst that could happen? 😉

[pearl shoal]

This is a very thankless job, @rapid hornet - so... Thank you!

[autumn turret]

Great work and valiant effort @rapid hornet. Thanks again 🙂

[autumn turret]

Dibs on the party eggman?

[calm sphinx]

what about party python 😬

[split gazelle]

amazing design @calm sphinx !

[autumn turret]

Very nice @calm sphinx. Very circle sculpturey!

[waxen thistle]

Shiny 💍

[empty swallow]

oooh

[robust horizon]

@calm sphinx beautiful

[autumn turret]

Circle sculpture? CIRCUIT! Aurgh!

[rapid hornet]

thanks to @robust horizon for helping with the merge too

[nova totem]

I love these rings @calm sphinx saw it on twitter and they're so awesome

[calm sphinx]

thank you so much!!

[autumn fulcrum]

😄

[autumn turret]

Great sounding pedal!

[autumn fulcrum]

Charlyn nice place to put the battery

of the wing

[waxen thistle]

Rock on, @split gazelle 🎸

[nova totem]

🤟 great job @split gazelle

[haughty quiver]

@calm sphinx wow, great ring!

[split gazelle]

thank you @waxen thistle && @nova totem !

[calm sphinx]

woo @split gazelle so cool!

[split gazelle]

thanks! loved your rings!

[autumn fulcrum]

ring*

[autumn turret]

Ooh, that's a clever obfuscation/entropy addition Bill!

[waxen thistle]

Playing guitar is one of those things I have a lot of respect for, because of the time and dedication it takes to learn it. I keep saying, "maybe one of these days..."

[cinder wind]

I can't wait for the Klystron Tube Trinkey

[empty swallow]

I wanna do more music electronics

[viral sail]

Great work everyone. Thanks for sharing.

[noble burrow]

Interested in learning more? Please see https://github.com/william-stearns/trinkeypass/

[nova totem]

I've tried to learn and yeah I wish I could play it still too!

[split gazelle]

great projects everyone!

[nova totem]

great projects everyone

[tulip canyon]

Thanks for sharing all

[calm sphinx]

thanks for sharing everyone!!

[autumn turret]

Thanks for sharing the project and source @noble burrow!

[haughty quiver]

@split gazelle nice job on the fuzz -- the hardest thing in the world for me is to translate pedal circuit stripboard layouts to breadboard. For some reason it breaks my brain.

[waxen thistle]

Thanks everyone for sharing! Y'all are awesome 🙂

[autumn turret]

And great projects everyone. Now to go out and build all the things!

[split gazelle]

if you ever decide to take the plunge, there's a really solid guitar community out there that's really open to beginners, not unlike the adafruit community

[noble burrow]

Hey, glad to contribute to the team! Thanks so much.

[fallow fractal]

do they answer discord or youtube chat messages?

[empty swallow]

i wish i had the coordination for guitar playing

[sudden slate]

Hello Ask an Engineer world!

[split gazelle]

thanks! and same! i followed along with this article and it helped my understanding a tonnnn: http://diy.smallbearelec.com/HowTos/BreadboardSiFF/BreadboardSiFF.htm

[sudden slate]

@fallow fractal Discord mostly

[open girder]

WE ARE LIVE! ASK AN ENGINEER! https://youtu.be/LFNoqO_e0aY

[waxen thistle]

@split gazelle I'll remember that if I do go that route. Most of my background is on woodwinds (and a teeny bit brass & piano). So....guitar is a totally different beast 🙂

[autumn turret]

They do @fallow fractal. Once the show starts, make sure you queue up your question, or post it when the questions part starts

[empty swallow]

i sadly have to head off so i can't join for Ask An Engineer, have to have my blood stolen! rock on yall

[autumn turret]

Take care @empty swallow - Be generous, or stingy, which ever is needed! 🙂

[fallow fractal]

Goodluck donating, I have tried a couple times but I've been unsuccessful

[empty swallow]

no no i can't donate

i need a blood test haha

[fallow fractal]

ah

[autumn turret]

Hope you studied then @empty swallow ! 😛

[empty swallow]

given whats being tested, i hope i flunk

[autumn turret]

😬 Here's hoping for you

[sudden slate]

@autumn turret Does anyone know when the AdaBox will ship? It seems like the time was extended...

[autumn turret]

I wish I knew. I'm watching my CC daily to see the transaction pass

[sudden slate]

Me too 🙂 @autumn turret

[autumn turret]

🤞

Sounds like the world lost a really good person in Dan 😦

Multi-vax!

[split gazelle]

huge loss, may he rest in peace

[charred mason]

leeloo dallas multi-vax?

[pearl shoal]

How about a little band-aid on Adabot's arm? 🩹

[hot frigate]

I went looking for that Covid Card holder and couldn't find it, frustratingly. Does anyone have a link?

[fallow fractal]

Where do I queue a question up?

[autumn turret]

You can post it here now, or later closer to the Q&A portion

The best phrasing I've heard about getting vaccinated: "It gives you a sense of invincibility"

[waxen thistle]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4827336

[pearl shoal]

It's so important to talk about this - if people don't see that vaccination will actually allow them to get back to normal (or close) they won't prioritize it. I know that means they're self-centered, but that's reality.

[split gazelle]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4827336

[gusty wedge]

I'm so happy the US is going so fast on the vaccines. The rest of the planet is still going through the tough parts of it. Let's all keep working to going to the next phase.

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruit.com/free

[hot frigate]

@split gazelle Many thanks!

[gusty wedge]

Also thanks as always to adafruit for talking about covid, as well as all of the other topics that are important.

I'll RSS to ANN.

[pearl shoal]

Hey, I said that 😉

(I love being quoted - feeds my ego 🙂 )

[waxen thistle]

?showtimes

[arctic abyss]

Desk of Ladyada - Random hacker times
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/Scott - 5pm ET Fridays

[pearl shoal]

And it's thankless grunt work - thanks @rapid hornet

[rapid hornet]

🙂 everyone has been thanking me

[shell mason]

it will continue

[autumn turret]

It's because we're holding our applause until you're done 😛

[shell mason]

or we could say it in every DeepDive stream

[autumn turret]

Very true

[empty swallow]

just in the waiting room, I'm glad I got my NeoTrinkeys on that Product Pick stream

[nova totem]

You're reminding me I have to go for a blood test I keep putting off

[robust horizon]

import parsec from johnpark

no wait that's not quite right

[autumn turret]

Do it sooner than later. Your peace of mind will thank you

[pearl shoal]

@haughty quiver's pick this week is a great A.T. tool (I bought 10 of 'em at 1/2 off 🙂 ). A Cap Touch switch in AT is insane ($225 https://www.ablenetinc.com/little-candy-corn-switch/) and then you need a Switch Interface to make it act as a Keyboard/Mouse ($99 - https://www.ablenetinc.com/hitch-2/ ) ... OR you can buy a $6 NeoTrinkey and some copper tape 🙂

[open girder]

@empty swallow yay! https://blog.adafruit.com/2021/04/11/the-story-of-xenia-linuxs-forgotten-mascot/

[empty swallow]

Yea! That's where I got my name from

[viral sail]

That's a really helpful parsec, and it won't take 3.26 years to get it all.

[autumn turret]

JP finished the CPP run in less than 12 parsecs!

[gusty wedge]

@haughty quiver I like that wah wah pedal from the outro. 🙂

[shell mason]

that kit is awesome

[empty swallow]

this is literally my whole vibe and who i want to be online

[wind spoke]

Found this to save 50% of the 02 for the same effect on the patient. And it is easy to build those mask by maker in DIY mode: https://twitter.com/DavidGlaude/status/1387473764288499716?s=20

David Glaude (@DavidGlaude)

A Belgian invention to reduce the consumption of O2 to provide the same level of O2 to the patient.
Very easy to DIY, could be usefull for country/region running out of O2. Recommended and in use in Belgium. O2 is trap in the tube and rebreathed. #covid19 #maker #PPE https://t.co/PsBxh3SCUx

Twitter · Apr 28, 2021, 6:28 PM

It's not from me, we use it in Belgium and recommended.

[empty swallow]

oop, have to go, it's my turn

[shell mason]

the algae generators what use in spacestation is interesting too

[pearl shoal]

Yeah, but look at all the great stuff they do with it!

[gusty wedge]

Pft. "Cheers"...

[compact sandal]

Regarding oxygen generators for coronavirus patients:
In 7th grade science they teach electrolysis. Electricity + water -> Hydrogen + Oxygen.
Why can't we do that even if it isn't power efficient. This can be done anywhere in the world with no special equipment.
What makes something a medical grade or safe oxygen concentrator? I know you need to have a safe bubbler for dealing with the Hydrogen (often discussed in DIY hydrogen torch cutting tools).

[gusty wedge]

There a bit of problem with the frequency, but certainly not something to rant in public like crazy. The "problem" the sat is creating, is so small and ridiculous.

[nova totem]

Which frequency was it stepping on? Or is there a link to the background on it?

[pearl shoal]

We have to remember something - Twitter (and other short text platforms) suck. They provide no context, and people don't think about how their posts will impact the folks they mention. After the Michael Phillips gun project, I've just learned to let it go.

[autumn turret]

That's like blaming Amazon for selling/shipping batteries to someone who is using them for their pirate radio station

[sudden slate]

I agree @pearl shoal @autumn turret

[pearl shoal]

How about AstroTrolls?

[autumn turret]

Space Force?

[empty swallow]

That was the quickest I've had

[gusty wedge]

I've read a bit of talk in the TinyGS chat. It's that it's transmitting a packet from a freq outside the country that it's flying over. And it only sends packets every now and then, and it's not making anything else not-work, so I think it's way too much talk (from the libre space guy) for such a tiny "problem".

[sudden slate]

I agree @gusty wedge

[open girder]

i was not successful explaining we did not "support" it over email

[cinder wind]

yes, crimping! so important

[open girder]

so i am tryin this 🙂

[empty swallow]

So I'm back! Roommate and I are at a cafe, but I'm watching the stream while waiting and such

[cinder wind]

thank you @open girder. it's so frustrating

[waxen thistle]

Anyone noticing audio desync? [or is it just me?]

[shell mason]

i have

[nova totem]

Yeah that's technically a "problem" but I agree so small. Given how small and weak most of those satellite signals are

[gusty wedge]

Maybe they need a bit more diversity to be chill...

[shell mason]

there was small buffer and after it I notice audio desync

[nova totem]

I noticed it on youtube

[shell mason]

me on twitch

[pearl shoal]

Yeah, youtube's out of sync

[hot frigate]

yes it is

[gilded crescent]

audio must be going through a satellite or something

[shell mason]

might be the cam thing

[pearl shoal]

An AstroTroll got it

[autumn turret]

Must be going through that space radio thermometer dealie

[gusty wedge]

It must be the italian sat adding some lag 🙂

[haughty quiver]

Sync is fine, it's just that Limor and Phil are ventriloquists of the highest order

[cinder wind]

the A/V desync seemed to happen after PhilB's video

[gusty wedge]

Such lovely relays.

[autumn turret]

I saw it before that video

[lilac tusk]

@haughty quiver breaking down the 5th wall instead of the 4th wall

[open girder]

a lot of folks tell me they do not want their projects on twitter, or sometimes hackaday, because of the comments/snarks, or they wil just stop publishing anything - so in 2021 i am going to work on talking to leaders of groups (open source ones for sure) about all of us fixing that

[haughty quiver]

what they're doing is 10x harder than Chevy Chase's microphone is going out gag from Spy's Like Us.

[autumn turret]

"I like Swiss pins and I cannot lie, you other headers can't deny"

[gusty wedge]

Machine pins even make less noise for audio pedals on breadboards.

[open girder]

do not see any reasons the audio would be synced weird, could be network issues

[empty swallow]

I salvaged a clear cased relay out of a circuit, looks neat

[autumn turret]

I think restream's been having some performance issues lately. We're still here watching though!

[pearl shoal]

I'm thinking this is inside Wirecast - it's on every platform... or maybe Restream is flaking?

Yeah, I'm good with it

[waxen thistle]

Now I need to get some swiss pins

[shell mason]

Ruiz bros had wirecast issues lately

[empty swallow]

swiss pins might be good to secure the LCD on the backpack I'm gonna have fabbed

[gusty wedge]

Some audio lag now and then is good for the soul.

[waxen thistle]

https://jobs.adafruit.com

[pearl shoal]

Question for Later - What protocol does wippersnapper use? I am certain it's not Firmata 🙂

[autumn turret]

True @gusty wedge - reminds us that all this is happening hundreds or even thousands of kilometers away, going through the air, pieces of glass and copper

[empty swallow]

Since I want to make it all modular, so I can reuse and replace bits

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruitdaily.com/2021/04/27/python-on-microcontrollers-newsletter-adafruit-sponsoring-pycon-2021-and-more-python-adafruit-circuitpython-micropython-thepsf/

[haughty quiver]

It's good for your brain to challenge itself occasionally by resolving audio/video sync issues. After several days of exposure your mind comes to peace with it and you cannot perceive the lag at all.

[autumn turret]

Lars, please let JP have the keyboard back, kthx! 😄

[haughty quiver]

heh

[empty swallow]

can you run a shell on a circuit python board?

[pearl shoal]

I'm good with lag - I cannot handle hearing my own echo

[autumn turret]

https://codewith.mu/

[shell mason]

had to deal with network issues sometimes

[proven crow]

Hi guys! Just joined in, hope you're doing well

[autumn turret]

There's a CircuitPython REPL

So not quite a shell, but you can run CP commands

[empty swallow]

god that's been such an issue for me, luckily I usually have the output be basically lagless when I listen to it

[autumn turret]

Heya @proven crow! Nice seeing you!

[haughty quiver]

haha, I think you can contact them on Reddit

[empty swallow]

Can't wait to get my keyswitches and sockets so I can add them to everything

[mellow thunder]

.Late to the party, hello to all!!

[gusty wedge]

I'm good with lag - I cannot handle hearing my own echo

[waxen thistle]

https://learn.adafruit.com/guides/latest

[split gazelle]

great job @clear matrix !

[open girder]

it could be restream.io the service we use to get the videos to all the places

if it's not sync'ed in all places

just a guess

[empty swallow]

it's very much out of sync for me but i am dealing

[haughty quiver]

LOL drat

[clear matrix]

Thanks!

[hot frigate]

it's not getting worse

[shell mason]

@pearl shoal said earlier that its desync in all platforms

[open girder]

yah, i think there is an issue at restream.io

[proven crow]

Who disliked 😦

[haughty quiver]

@hard hollow @rocky reef I need to make one each in lemon, lime, and grapefruit flavors

[waxen thistle]

@haughty quiver And watermelon

[haughty quiver]

yum

[proven crow]

Dragonfruit one too

[pearl shoal]

Hopefully your recording isn't off so your separate sections will be good.

[haughty quiver]

🍉

[proven crow]

That would be nice

[shell mason]

the lemon texture is great

@haughty quiver any 🍉 texture?

[daring elbow]

Aw, what a cute fly.

[pearl shoal]

That's the wrong logo

[haughty quiver]

🍋

[autumn turret]

But BundleFly doesn't look like Jeff Goldblum!

[proven crow]

Finally, I was terrified of the original!

[cinder wind]

awww that's way too cute and not at all cronenbergy

[empty swallow]

i can't wait for the NFTs

[split gazelle]

that back story was a journey

[haughty quiver]

hahah

[pearl shoal]

Here, I'll fix that for you

[empty swallow]

hahahahaha

[charred mason]

lol

[nova totem]

whelp didn't need to sleep tonight!

[gusty wedge]

We need to be invited to those focus groups :þ

[shell mason]

the Noe and Pedro lemon had that texture have some tennis ball look on outerskin

[robust horizon]

nice chill music to calm us down after that image up there 🙂

[autumn turret]

That mobile is another great project @steep pilot

[empty swallow]

that reminds me, I have lots of LEDs from an LED strip I should figure out how to use for my PAX outfit this year

[haughty quiver]

that version may have been too powerful

[open girder]

SEE

[autumn turret]

The Fly's agent reached out because you were stealing it's thunder and views

[shell mason]

on ROGLIVE what Asus Rog Nordic did a few weeks back they had 2 routers one with 8 antennas and other with 4/5 in top of it as 8antenna was upsidedown it looked a crab

[cinder wind]

better? no this is not better

[empty swallow]

hahahahah

[open girder]

hah!

[waxen thistle]

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/bosch-sensortec/BME688/13681261?s=N4IgTCBcDaIEYHsDOBjAFgAjgWwKYYDYAOIkAXQF8g

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/bosch-sensortec/SHUTTLE-BOARD-BME688/13681259?s=N4IgTCBcDaIEYHsDOBjAFgAjgWwKYYDYAOIkAXQF8g

[empty swallow]

French toast for breakfast!

[lilac tusk]

Yum!

Thinking of a Qt Py with a LiPo charger, call it Batty Py

[autumn turret]

So cool seeing a major component manufacturer using an open standard for their devkit platform, instead of something custom

[lilac tusk]

A Qt Py flight controller called Pretty Fly for a Qt Py

[pearl shoal]

Because you can't re-run the exact test gas - so you have to run all the sensor settings at once

[open girder]

@autumn turret yup, we were talking about that before the show... they are all using feather, or are going to (they tell us)

[fierce saffron]

Do you have a relay board and sensor input that can be used with alexa voice control via WiFi that also has feedback so it knows it’s current state ? Ie on or off or not connected

[autumn turret]

I can only imagine how much easier it makes it for those who order the eval/dev kits to not have to mess with "preparing the setup to start the evaluation"

[open girder]

and with circuitpython, no tool chain, it's a drive, and they open .py with a text editor

[haughty quiver]

@autumn turret "Commence the preparation phase!"

[autumn turret]

Soon! I'm fixin' to get ready to start the preparation phase!

[shell mason]

some could also use as covid or not covid with this sensor?

[proven crow]

Prepare the preparation to prepare the eval board for preparing your project...

[empty swallow]

my roommate ordered hers with bacon :/

[grand tusk]

Can I use it with cocoa beans?

[autumn turret]

French toast? With bacon? Add some real maple syrup, and YUM!

[lilac tusk]

Wait, circuitpython with bacon?

Oh French toast

[autumn turret]

That sensor is really cool

[shell mason]

kitchen project for different food smells

[lilac tusk]

Crispy Py

[clear matrix]

You must be missing real maple syrup.

[autumn turret]

Costco carries some, but it's not the same as the real stuff you buy in a can

[proven crow]

I'm literally snorting with laughter

[nova totem]

The real stuff is so great

[empty swallow]

sadly I think it's only maple flavoured syrup

[lilac tusk]

Wait, guess it would be CrisPy

My French toast runs circuitpython

[waxen thistle]

That's the nice part of being in northeastern PA -- we have some local real maple syrup here. It's so nice to buy from people we've known our whole lives.

[shell mason]

hey think with coffee filament when you print it and it detect coffee

[waxen thistle]

hmm. scented 3d filaments.

[lilac tusk]

I’d love some freshly boiled maple syrup

[proven crow]

All-in-GAS canister

[empty swallow]

i love shoving my sensor board into my coffee beans

[lilac tusk]

Used to get it all the time and eat it on Ternary Toast in Michigan’s the summers I’d visit family up there

[gusty wedge]

Very weird, cool and useful sensor. Thanks for a cool NPI as always.

[empty swallow]

i can never get spi working

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4195

[empty swallow]

oh my first new product stream!

[dim knot]

Adafruit 2.13" Monochrome eInk / ePaper Display FeatherWing - 250x122 Monochrome with SSD1680 https://www.adafruit.com/product/4195

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4922

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4925

All yours George 🙂

[empty swallow]

ooh, I think the CRT i have uses that cable