live-broadcast-chat

[ivory flax]

While installing Google Calendar on my MagTag ran across missing documentation on how to create a new OAuth that was covered in Learn Guide. Is there a way I can sent a word doc to someone who could possibly add our understand what I am talking about. I am a first time user for Google development and this seemed to be a one time setup on their web site.

[autumn turret]

Hey @neat kayak, welcome! 🙂

[neat kayak]

I have a few Peltier components TEC1-12710

[neat kayak]

Hi Hugo, thanks for the suggestion to join

basically I want to control the temp somehow and maybe even switch between polarity so to make it hot or cold

any thoughts?

[shell mason]

Hugo did you see Razer Project Hazel?

[neat kayak]

using a micontroller

[waxen thistle]

"Be Excellent to each other!"

[open girder]

@ivory flax post up in the forums

our team will check it out and assist there

[autumn turret]

I did @shell mason, pretty clever, but also reminded me of the mask Mike Jolley made for his daughter

[ivory flax]

Thanks I took screen shots and added a little bit documentation. Have a great day.

[neat kayak]

I wondered if @open girder had anything similar to Petlier module

[split gazelle]

this is a huge step

[nova totem]

Posting a project online can be scary, but it can lead to a lot of awesome things too. The magazine article I wrote was solicited from a project comment

[waxen thistle]

We're never weaker for being kinder to each other.

[strange mantle]

@neat kayak like this? https://www.adafruit.com/product/1330

[robust horizon]

I guess I have to get an iphone now

[dim knot]

https://www.tiktok.com/tag/adafruit?lang=en

[open girder]

https://www.tiktok.com/@adafruit?lang=en

[shell mason]

wel i havent used android or ios devices for years

[neat kayak]

indeed, I want to use it inside a backpack tho. Like perhaps it could be smaller or flexible... anyways, I want to use it with a variable resistor. I also want to use voice commands to turn it on. like to say "heat my back" or cool my backpack, etc

[shell mason]

I see tiktok as similar to those stories in instagram and facebook what seems other platforms get too

[neat kayak]

I kinda wish i didnt have to have a heatsink

[shell mason]

well someone have used PC AIO unit as cool to very bright LED

[strange mantle]

@neat kayak for heating maybe this? https://www.adafruit.com/product/1481 (there are few sizes in shop)

[hasty chasm]

one thing to think about @neat kayak is that, however much one side of the peltier cools down, the other side will heat up by more than that amount - so if it's just sitting in the bag, the bag will just heat up over time. you may want some way to hold the cool part against your back and expose the heatsink to the air so it doesnt heat up the inside of the bag

another idea, though much more complicated, is to do something like they do in spacesuits and have a closed-loop water pump system where you pump water over the cold part of the peltier to cool it, then the cool water goes around a loop that touches your back to cool you down

[ivory flax]

Question. Is there any learn guides, YouTube, or something that discusses what is in the circuitpython libraries other than digging into each library file? Or has there been any thought of someone walking young users whats inside the libraries. Thanks

[robust horizon]

I love automatic subtitles of singing, they're so .. weird

[shell mason]

@hasty chasm the EK and Intel with collab made CPU cooling like that where other is get heat from CPU and other is cold from liquid cooling

[hasty chasm]

but in terms of just electronics, an MCU + power source + either relay or H-bridge rated for > the max amperage of your peltier should be enough to get started @neat kayak

[neat kayak]

Hey, thanks. That is definitely something to think about re the water pump

[waxen thistle]

https://jobs.adafruit.com

[neat kayak]

k thanks!

[strange mantle]

@ivory flax what's the goal? to learn CircuitPython? or to learn about writing libraries?

[hasty chasm]

np 🙂 good luck, sounds like a fun project. FYI this room isn't as active when a show isn't going on so if you run into any issues as you go along, try asking in one of the other #help-with-whatever rooms in the left column.

[neat kayak]

k thanks!

[haughty quiver]

DTMF decoders at RadioShack :)

[neat kayak]

I like when it was called TANDY

LOL

i worked there, loved the place

[waxen thistle]

There's a Tandy leather.....right next door to the old RadioShack. 🙂

[inner spade]

Hmm. A StemmaQT DTMF decoder, @haughty quiver ?

[autumn turret]

Isn't that where the Tandy name came from?

[haughty quiver]

The time for this is NOW @inner spade !

Yes, Tandy was the parent company I believe.

[ivory flax]

Not so much learn to write a library but to get a fair idea of what functions are available in a library like magtag. Or Portland, or display_text. When looking at code.py examples I get lost on some of the calls to the libraries. Sort of like the Java library document that show how to use its classes. Seems like a lot since circuitpython is still very young and continues to grow.

[celest pulsar]

Tandy Electronics was a retailer around in Australia in the 90s

[strange mantle]

sounds like you're after the docs for the library?

like this? https://circuitpython.readthedocs.io/projects/magtag/en/latest/

[hasty chasm]

& here's the exhaustive list of API docs for all CircuitPython modules @ivory flax : https://circuitpython.readthedocs.io/en/latest/shared-bindings/index.html#modules

[dim knot]

https://learn.adafruit.com/

[deep scarab]

Can anyone write an adafruit guide, out of curiosity? How does that work?

[shell mason]

the evolution on that site

[viral sail]

Weekly Disney Dirtlapse

[open girder]

@deep scarab we tend to find people in the matrix and/or they find us

so it's not everyone, but it's folks who make, write, share

[weary ravine]

Thanks George, I was looking for that.

[open girder]

(and we pay folks of course)

[deep scarab]

@open girder got it! I have some ideas, but nothing concrete yet. It would just be cool to contribute in some way.

[open girder]

@deep scarab start out with posting guides, etc. on hackaday.io, hackster.io, instructables, etc.

see how ya do with that and learn those tools and more

[deep scarab]

Yup, already doing some stuff on hackaday.io!

[shell mason]

3M nice nice

[waxen thistle]

Those wire strippers were 100% amazing.

Same with the USB-programmable speaker.

[ivory kiln]

This driving me nuts, how do u control what u see on tictok? I did the link, but I can't get adafruit's tictoc to come up on the app so I can subscribe to it.

[autumn turret]

Which wire strippers @waxen thistle? Looking for some

[waxen thistle]

@autumn turret These are for fine wire -- so beware, they might be the wrong tool for larger gauges. https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ideal-tek-s-a/WS3620.ITU/13170711

[ashen dove]

I used those when I was an A/C technician in Florida for making silver duct tape smooth.

It was 20 years ago.

[waxen thistle]

There's a video on EyeOnNPI that goes into detail on them -- check this vod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IYuWl1ugTA&list=PLjF7R1fz_OOVsBwcpncwSppnZ41H7iKER&index=32&t=307s

[dim knot]

AdaBox: Curated Adafruit products, unique collectibles, and exclusive discounts https://www.adabox.com/

GIFT CERTIFICATES https://www.adafruit.com/category/14

Adafruit CCS811 Air Quality Sensor Breakout - VOC and eCO2 - STEMMA QT / Qwiic https://www.adafruit.com/product/3566

[autumn turret]

Thanks @waxen thistle , for the links and the heads up!

[dim knot]

Silver Sequined Fashion Mask https://www.adafruit.com/product/4857

[nova totem]

I still find sequins at my house from new years eves of past, they never go away

[waxen thistle]

Sequins are the larger cousin of glitter.

[dim knot]

Ultra Flexible White LED Strip - 480 LEDs per meter - 5m long - Cool White ~6500K https://www.adafruit.com/product/4839

Ultra Flexible White LED Strip - 480 per meter - 5m long - Warm White ~3000K https://www.adafruit.com/product/4840

[nova totem]

I put 1 meter of these in a 10cmx10cm square and it was just shy of 10,000 lux at about a foot away

[upper sandal]

oh PT is the famous LED mummy !

[urban gale]

CircuitPTython 😆

[cinder wind]

I like PT as a glowy LED mummy

[robust horizon]

that one's going in the album

[dim knot]

Plant Care Kit for micro:bit or CLUE https://www.adafruit.com/product/4746

[urban gale]

I'm totally going as TronMummy for post-quarantine Halloween

[waxen thistle]

@open girder Question: During the factory footage, we saw a humidity control cabinet. Which components need that?

[autumn turret]

Halloween 2021 costume: Light strip + sequin mask + Hallowing w/ eye as an eye patch

[waxen thistle]

Thanks 🙂

[celest pulsar]

I feel a bit guilty getting an order with so much single use plastic. Is there a better way to ship?

[autumn turret]

@neat kayak asked this earlier:

I wondered if @open girder had anything similar to Petlier module

I want to use it inside a backpack tho. Like perhaps it could be smaller or flexible... anyways, I want to use it with a variable resistor. I also want to use voice commands to turn it on. like to say "heat my back" or cool my backpack, etc

[celest pulsar]

Cool thanks :) - buy lots of stuff ;)

[shell mason]

HackTok

[waxen thistle]

It can be food -- cooking is one of the most essential forms of making.

[viral sail]

Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌒

[autumn turret]

Thank you Adafruit friends!

[haughty quiver]

thanks all

[urban gale]

wut? 🤣

[split gazelle]

Thanks for a great evening of shows

[waxen thistle]

Thanks @open girder for another awesome evening of shows! You're the LED light strip at the end of the tunnel each Wednesday...

[deep scarab]

thanks, everyone!

[urban gale]

thanks all!

[upper sandal]

ok I need a light scarf now

[dim knot]

Night all!

[nova totem]

Night everyone

[autumn turret]

Wednesday night Adafruit shows turn "Hump Day" into "Pumped Day"

[shell mason]

scarf of light with battlebeats

[noble grove]

Does anybody know of any libraries for using the hardware quadrature counters on QT Py or Teensy 4?

[cinder wind]

Looks like this perhaps does https://github.com/PaulStoffregen/Teensy-4.x-Quad-Encoder-Library

[timid plover]

is there a recommended @open girder power supply for https://www.adafruit.com/product/4839 and https://www.adafruit.com/product/4840 ?

[prime sentinel]

This one is overkill, but would work fine and give max brightness https://www.adafruit.com/product/352

[waxen thistle]

If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing.

[timid plover]

thanks! I wonder if there is a socket with pigtail or adapter so I wouldn't have to chop off the wires - maybe this is an idea for the digikey search segment? 🙂

[prime sentinel]

There's this useful adapter https://www.adafruit.com/product/368

[cerulean pendant]

but when will it be in the products catalog?

[waxen thistle]

@cerulean pendant I can't speak to that -- I do know it's on Digikey.

[cerulean pendant]

Thanks!

[inner spade]

👋

[waxen thistle]

Good afternoon all you wonderful folks and Lars!

[haughty quiver]

This is gonna be the best John Park's Workshop all day!

[waxen thistle]

That's excellent to hear, I'll put the time machine away then since nothing can top this!

[lavish patrol]

Hello, all.

[haughty quiver]

We may request that you independently verify this @waxen thistle

[inner spade]

Depends on how many old workshop shows I binge today.

[shadow epoch]

hi

[haughty quiver]

Hello @shadow epoch

Hi @lavish patrol

[waxen thistle]

We're a go on Twitch

[lavish patrol]

Bleeps? Or bloops?

[viral sail]

Good afternoon all.

[mellow thunder]

Going twitch today?

[waxen thistle]

@haughty quiver Too late, put away the Tardis. There's no other place I'd rather be. Well, other than two years into the future right now.

[lavish patrol]

@waxen thistle You hope... 🤔

[fluid drum]

hello all

[inner spade]

bloops and bleeps on YT

[lavish patrol]

SN9 made some bleeps and bloops yesterday...

[inner spade]

voice audio very good. peaking at -6db

[mellow thunder]

twitch is good!

[fluid drum]

audio sounds good and is in sync

on YT

[waxen thistle]

A show that's hot off the press!

https://jobs.adafruit.com

Broke the universe? Sheesh, let me get that Tardis back out.

[lavish patrol]

All the news that's hot to print.

[waxen thistle]

It's always a pain to navigate that pocket dimension of space-time. Smells musty there, exactly opposite of stale bread and bland mustard.

[lavish patrol]

@waxen thistle Keep an ear out for the Cloister Bell...

[tiny axle]

hi john

Hello @lavish patrol fancy seeing you here?

[waxen thistle]

So far so good. Everything is in the sink.

[viral sail]

A/V is good so far.

[lavish patrol]

@tiny axle I'm afraid you have me at a disadvantage... 🤔

[tiny axle]

Hmn must be a different @lavish patrol

[autumn turret]

Darn you @haughty quiver! Your Product Pick made me put in an order Tuesday

[lavish patrol]

There's more than one of me? Yikes.

[tiny axle]

rofl, I have no money so have to wait for ages 😦

wouldn't green be better for a clear square and red for findng it?

[waxen thistle]

Keep playing after the game is over? Sounds like my kind of game.

@haughty quiver Muted

[tiny axle]

You sunk my battleshp

[waxen thistle]

Good now 🙂

[lavish patrol]

YouTube must be a few seconds behind chat. As usual.

[waxen thistle]

It looks like JP has a flickering light on his upper right corner of the workshop.

Good, nothing serious 🙂

[lavish patrol]

Probably Lars...

[tiny axle]

shudder lars give me nightmares

[autumn turret]

You sure @lavish patrol ? Not chat being ahead of YouTube? 😉

[lavish patrol]

@Hugo 😄

[cinder wind]

stream health is good

[waxen thistle]

I'm on the opposite coast, and it's around a 4 second delay to streamer via Twitch

[autumn turret]

Stream health is in Thursday mode 👍

[lavish patrol]

Thanks, @haughty quiver

[autumn turret]

Nice pencil!

[waxen thistle]

https://blog.pencils.com/the-history-of-the-bullet-pencil/

[tiny axle]

What do you do when you put that pencil down and a second later its vanished?

[lavish patrol]

It's been fired.

[waxen thistle]

https://kk.org/cooltools/category/podcast-2/

[cinder wind]

Cool Tools is great

[lavish patrol]

Banana are good for music visualizers as you can use them for scale.

[tiny axle]

Whats the vis and where do we find it?

Dr Who!

[lavish patrol]

Expecting John's face appear in the middle.

[cinder wind]

https://animusvisualizer.webflow.io/

[lavish patrol]

@tiny axle Or Lars...

[tiny axle]

Thats what I thought but confused how the metro is controlling it

[tiny axle]

nooo

[cinder wind]

Metro is acting as a USB keyboard

[lavish patrol]

Wait... Lars would be The Master...

[tiny axle]

lol

[cinder wind]

....we're entering the slipgate!

[tiny axle]

Stargate !

[wind spoke]

Hand clapping is great to check audio sync. You should do that more often.

[autumn turret]

Throwing in a TOF sensor to affect visualizations could be fun and mind-bending a bit

[cinder wind]

nooo more visualizserszz

[haughty quiver]

https://animusvisualizer.webflow.io/

[tiny axle]

Put that on a small screen under a glass sphere!

[wind spoke]

Maybe videolab that take MIDI input: https://github.com/teenageengineering/videolab/releases

[tiny axle]

Flight of the Navigator style!

Winamp 1 was cool, Winamp 2 kiiled home dev and winamp 3 led to its downfall

[inner spade]

DJ-JPviz

[cinder wind]

... featuring MC Larz

[lavish patrol]

😄

[inner spade]

In the 50's it was JP and the Vizettes

[lavish patrol]

Lol

[fluid drum]

It would be cool to use capacative touch to play with visualizations on a RGB matrix.

[tiny axle]

I spot a YT BUG here, who can spot the bug?

[lavish patrol]

Waiting?

[viral sail]

Thanks @haughty quiver

[cinder wind]

youtube GB vs youtube.com?

[tiny axle]

Yup, The stream hasn't started yet!

@cinder wind .com

[inner spade]

Stream health is/was great!

[cinder wind]

sync is fine, JP. disregard all these comments

[wind spoke]

To prove it's live, you should have a clock and we can report on delay.

[fluid drum]

mine shows the stream started 42 mins ago on TY

YT

[tiny axle]

Thank you for another stream John

[cinder wind]

AV was great this stream, @haughty quiver

[lavish patrol]

Another great workshop @haughty quiver 😀

[tiny axle]

Yep excellent quality and no glitches!

Thankyou @haughty quiver

[fluid drum]

My wife loved the sparkly mask out of the last one, so now she likes my Adaboxes as well

[viral sail]

Thanks @haughty quiver have a good weekend.

[inner spade]

Excellent visit to the workshop today, @haughty quiver !

[fluid drum]

another good show

[waxen thistle]

Thanks @haughty quiver for another awesome show!

[haughty quiver]

thanks all -- I'm very pleased this rather old Westinghouse TV I used for the visualizer manages to keep on ticking!

I had it running off a VGA signal during the show for that extra special crunchyness.

[rapid hornet]

notes doc for my stream today is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Xjzh5WW0flkkf2M1Kh5PS1gO02KYxIZdPGnMUX3684/edit?usp=sharing

[warm dust]

Hi 👋

[wind spoke]

At the end of the show, I will say that this was the best Deep Dive with a guest!

[modern night]

how is it going?

[wind spoke]

Try twitch for lower latency.

[light stump]

Looking forward to the livestream, watching on twitch. Thanks for agreeing to talk about ParallelBus!

[warm dust]

whatsup with discord [object Object] ?

[wind spoke]

@paper peak Will you have time to work on https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_BLE/issues/37 to support Serial over BLE with other UUID than the Nordic.

I also did that...

[simple fractal]

now i'm randomly here. too many chats

[waxen thistle]

Happy Friday all you wonderful folks!

[simple fractal]

Thanks @waxen thistle , to you as well, although in Australia it may be tomorrow

i did just get my adafruit box yesterday. dhl was nice and fast

[digital crescent]

What is @paper peak going to deep dive for us today?

[wind spoke]

Yes

[modest vector]

Hi all

[wind spoke]

We want the "more" story from @paper peak.

[modest vector]

Nice! So you said your parents physicists (at Brookhaven)? What did you end up studying?

[paper peak]

oak ridge

computer science

[wind spoke]

Are you in the same timezone?

[paper peak]

https://danhalbert.org

[modest vector]

Oak ridge, right! Nice! I got to remember to read through your dissertation, it sounds interesting.

[wind spoke]

I hope only your cat is epileptic.

Time for dual screen streaming... how is that not a thing?

[autumn turret]

@wind spoke There is something like that for Twitch I think, called "Squad streams". But if memory serves, you need to be a Twitch partner, and doesn't really cross over from Twitch to YouTube/ReStream/etc

[waxen thistle]

And it breaks a lot of Twitch's plugins, such as FrankerFaceZ

[wind spoke]

Could use that for "conference" where you see the speaker and the "slide".

[autumn turret]

Yeah, though you can also use something like obs.ninja

[waxen thistle]

@wind spoke I'm thinking an OBS layout could do that

Hugo beat me to it 🙂

[autumn turret]

https://obs.ninja/

[paper peak]

we might use streamyard also, which is what Adafruit uses for Show and TEll.

[waxen thistle]

Loud and clear @rapid hornet

[wind spoke]

Yes

[light stump]

Sound is ok on twitch.

[smoky island]

I hear everyone fine

[autumn turret]

I saw my name on the Discord thing come up fine 🤷

[waxen thistle]

@paper peak I don't even want to think about the rabbit hole of troubleshooting, going from OBS -> Shim layer for re-streaming -> Streamyard -> Twitch/YT/etc

[wind spoke]

You are just a better [object Object].

[modest vector]

I think I missed it earlier. But is ParallelBus something that doesn't exist for other boards? Or it exists and you are extending it to the ESP32-S2?

[light stump]

Cool. Thanks for the pointer in the right direction

[wind spoke]

Could that be useful knowledge for a MatrixPortal ESP32S2?

[light stump]

Will now have to figure out how to convert those concepts to the core code.

[wind spoke]

Today, there are various Feather depending on MCU...

[light stump]

And good to know is heading in the right direction.

[wind spoke]

Not MatrixPortal but Hub75 thing.

[simple fractal]

what level of the idf will be used? the published api or something lower?

in some cases espressif may fix silicon errata in the idf?

[light stump]

On the issue you pointed to gpio_struct.h as one of the main structures.

[simple fractal]

i am just reading about the dedicated gpio stuff. interesting

[light stump]

Let me take a crack at figuring out how to code it and I’ll ask the next level of questions.

[simple fractal]

you can even write assembly code. shpuld be very portable

[light stump]

Thanks for the guidance.

[wind spoke]

So what would be the best MCU to start with?

To learn coding the CP core.

Like avoiding IDF.

The thing I don't like is that on the ESP, you are just a process on an operating system. Where I guess on the M4 you are "bare metal"?

[simple fractal]

unrelated to anything my neighbour just gave me a coffee gift card to apologize for their puppy barking. Which i never hear. But coffee is good.

[wind spoke]

Wait for the puppy to be a big dog...

[simple fractal]

they actually foster puppies until adopted. so never a big dog to be

only required 3 edits to fix spelling

[modest vector]

So how much work would be required to setup an eink display that requires parallel interface? Would one just have to enable ParallelBus (for a custom board,) or will it require more deep coding in CircuitPython codebase?

So basically for the displays Adafruit sells, you guys basically had to write something like a "driver" for it? There are no standard ways to talk to displays?

[wind spoke]

Maybe an interesting question on ESP32S2 and the variation on CP maturity. What are the "special hardware support" that you have on older platform that are not there on ESP32S2 yet like: (1) Fast Neopixel with DMA(?) (2) Matrix Hub75 with parallel writing byte on multiple GPIO(?) (3) Rotate IO why is this special(?).

[sterile forge]

yes the metro m4. I tried it with arduino code.

[wind spoke]

Or things you do bitbang waiting from proper support?

[sterile forge]

Sure would like the rotaryio for midi controllers

[wind spoke]

Is this why Limor never remove the protection on screen?

[modest vector]

This explains why Seon kept going on about blue tab or green tab screens on one of his streams, haha.

[simple fractal]

lol, yes, the infamous tab colour.

[wind spoke]

And in a factory on the other side of earth: "Boss we don't have red sticker anymore, what should we do?"

[upper sandal]

I have one of the Clue that has wrong colors out of the box, because I think the OLED with the blue tab is setup differently than the others

[simple fractal]

turns out my color dots fell off. now i have a maze of screens, all alike

[wind spoke]

Testing at the level of Learn Guide would be great. I still frequently find guide that do not work anymore for a change in API or else. Each time I wonder: "Am I the only one to try that guide recently?"

[sterile forge]

try running the example apps from each of the libraries to make sure they work.

[wind spoke]

Recently found libraries that use the old Mouse() rather that the Mouse(hid.???).

Guide we can search the single repo, but libraries...

[simple fractal]

sounds like google and android testing

[wind spoke]

Some board are define but do not really exist IRL. Idea from Limor that did not materialize.

That CI thing is actually paid and offer for free by GitHub?

[modern night]

is there a source point for all the learn guides?

[simple fractal]

yes, even my pushes to my repo get built

[timid plover]

there was mention of the RPi and wearing out (or corrupting) the SD Card - Have you looked at this

@rapid hornet inspired piunora - shown here with a 256GB WD "drive"
https://www.crowdsupply.com/diodes-delight/piunora

[smoky island]

Google likes to send folks to old pages

Instances where the API changed (like WaveFile you mentioned earlier) are tough because the old API doesn't correctly link to the new API, and if you change versions at the bottom you get a broken page.

[modern night]

Oh awesome! That is great to know!

[wind spoke]

https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Learning_System_Guides

[modern night]

Thank you @wind spoke

[grand tusk]

Have a pi2 with a defunct SD socket. Sad.

[wind spoke]

Spoiler alert if you track that repo.

[timid plover]

mentioning BLE and the phones - is it possible to get a blinka / CPY gui to run on a phone - so people could write "code" on the phone to interract ble devices ?

generic type app to allow users to write ui code for the phone

[smoky island]

Yep QPython on Android has been around for a bit.

[simple fractal]

nothing like a good bug hunt, or is that a line from Starship Troopers?

[smoky island]

I have kicked around an idea to make something on Android that would allow you to basically declare a custom interface that uses elements from the Bluefruit Connect app. You could pick and choose the ones you want, and arrange them how you like, but they would still function the same as the ones in the connect app (communicating to the BLE device). Don't know if it will become a reality though.

[modest vector]

What bug have you fixed that was the most satisfying to find and fix?

[wind spoke]

Is what you just discuss relate to the monotonic precision, and how it decrease over time? Should we have a way to "reset" the monotonic? Or is there a way?

[timid plover]

other work teams have said "rebase is bad" ( though I agree with scott ) - I would tend to avoid it

[wind spoke]

Is bisec smart about the size of the commit? Trying to find a place where half of the change are before or after.

[nova totem]

I finally get here and see a linker map... slowly backs away

[dark crane]

hahaha

[nova totem]

Really neat view, kinda wish I knew of this 20 years ago

i'm not sure if i hate memory overruns or race conditions more

[grand tusk]

It was a Heisenbug.

[wind spoke]

We need a weekly stream with @paper peak ... he could sometime invite @rapid hornet as guest.

[timid plover]

ouch - that's a lesson I don't want to learn ( watchpoints not catching dma overwrites ) - thanks for shareing that Dan!

[modest vector]

This is quite an intricate bug! haha

[timid plover]

always one more 🙂

[simple fractal]

infinite?

maybe less

[nova totem]

Well if you fix one, there are probably now two more

[waxen thistle]

+1 more dan 🙂

[wind spoke]

Are there Adafruit board that do USB Host. And any plan to have some kind of support in CP?

[modest vector]

Deep Dive 2: Dive Deeper with Dan. I'd watch that!

[timid plover]

isn't Mouse and Keyboard emulation a "host" feature ( never mind 🙂 - thanks David )

[wind spoke]

@timid plover I think it is the other way arround.

[waxen thistle]

I think John Park made one of those too? Or something very similar.

[wind spoke]

Yeah, that is the way I did keyboard reading.

I believe Thea is expert in USB and did MIDI in and out.

[cinder wind]

We are all [object Object]

[upper sandal]

Objection !

[shell mason]

we are all that @cinder wind as last week

we all just objects or entities

[waxen thistle]

🎵 All and all we're just another [object] in the code. 🎵

[wind spoke]

Does BasicPython works on CircuitPython board?

Can you do Goto 10?

[shell mason]

Object oriented CircuitPython programming right guys

[simple fractal]

i am not liking the flashback to BASIC and my Altair 8800

[nova totem]

I love the flashback to BASIC on the C64

[modest vector]

I'm having flash backs of elementary school ....

[nova totem]

(not the line number renumbering flashbacks though)

[modest vector]

I hope no one brings up Fortran. My brain can't take it on a Friday evening 😄

[wind spoke]

Do the list

[cinder wind]

Not a question for Dan & Scott exactly, but does anyone know a good (free) Windows tool to read USB HID Report Descriptors (not config or device descriptors)?

[simple fractal]

i actually had BASIC on a paper tape, and a pull through reader on my altair, only had to key in the bootloader then, not the entire basic interpreter

[paper peak]

http://eleccelerator.com/usbdescreqparser/ @cinder wind

is that what you want

[cinder wind]

I want the app that queries the device and gets the data that that page uses. On the Mac, there's USB Prober; on Linux there's usbhid-dump

[paper peak]

https://www.uwe-sieber.de/english.html

usbtreeview may be what you want

[wind spoke]

At university exam, we had as exam question to write a simple text editor in COBOL. (and ascii art Xmas tree in FORTRAN).

[cinder wind]

afaict that gives everything except the HID Report Descriptor (probably because it's not part of the USB libraries in Widows, but the HID libraries)

[nova totem]

C64 is where i learnt pretty much everything that got me to where i am today

[wind spoke]

C64 is special because you can move on the screen and edit a line.

[cinder wind]

I use the Beagle USB sniffer. It's functional but I've only used it for pretty low-speed USB HID stuff. I've always wanted to try Wireshark for doing that

[timid plover]

@rapid hornet - would your dream programmable FPGA tool be able to handle USB sniffing?

[cinder wind]

it's hilarious that SCSI still exists as this ghost-in-the-protocol of USB MSD

[simple fractal]

isnt LUNA a project in the works for FPGA assisted USB stuff?

https://github.com/greatscottgadgets/luna

and you can build it yourself, only a few BGAs to solder

i love this quote

Building this board yourself isn't for the faint of heart -- as it requires placing two BGA components, including a large FPGA. Still, if you're proficient with rework and FPGA development, feel free to join in the fun!

[waxen thistle]

Post-release support is like....40-60% of the effort of actually making a piece of software.

[simple fractal]

my chili is still a few hours away from being ready 🙂 Smells good

[modest vector]

I just remembered about your microprocessor jigsaw puzzle @rapid hornet . How is that going?

[timid plover]

i think he is missing one piece 😦

[wind spoke]

Did you bisec that USB copy yet?

[simple fractal]

what was/is the copy problem?

[timid plover]

https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/issues/3986

[paper peak]

https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/issues/3986

[modest vector]

Ouch, it came with bugs of it's own?

[cinder wind]

so just like Windows then? 🙂 🙂

[wind spoke]

How do you deal with real name vs Discord ID vs Twitter ID? It is difficult when they don't match, especially for Hug Report.

[modest vector]

I did say it was dangerous to do puzzles with cats, haha.

But nice! Only one piece is not bad.

[wind spoke]

Is there a "directory"?

[timid plover]

very cool dan!

[simple fractal]

true. i go by many random names

pdp8, and octal?

[modest vector]

Nice! @paper peak I need to learn how to preserve things like you. I don't even know what my first program was, nor do I have any of my first computers.

[timid plover]

I think Dan and I are of the same error - was just going to say when octal was king 🙂

[wind spoke]

My HP48 was nibble(?).

[timid plover]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64

[modest vector]

haha. Congrats on finishing it!

[simple fractal]

cats are messing with you

[timid plover]

thank you both - looking forward to the next visit

[cinder wind]

Thank you @paper peak! Thank you @rapid hornet!

[modest vector]

Thanks Scott for another great stream.

And special thanks to @paper peak! Thanks for sharing your thought process. Thanks for the impromptu show and tell.

[waxen thistle]

Thanks @paper peak and @rapid hornet for an awesome Deep Dive!

[modern night]

Thank you @paper peak and @rapid hornet! Great deep dive!

[wind spoke]

Thank you @paper peak.

[dark crane]

Thank you Guys 🙂

[rapid hornet]

thanks all!

[simple fractal]

thanks @paper peak and @rapid hornet

[tame dew]

@rapid hornet when you say debugger like flyswatter JTAG? Trying to ramp up...

[rapid hornet]

ya, debugger -> jlink

connected to swd

[tame dew]

Thank you @paper peak i love the stories!

Got it @rapid hornet thank you for clarification

[paper peak]

yw!

[smoky island]

I'm going to be streaming reviewing and working on some CircuitPython library PRs for a bit this morning. If anyone is interested to watch along or hang out I'll be live on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch and Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWSa1uQxiJA

[warm dust]

Hi @smoky island 👋

I think the youtube link points the wrong video
here is the correct one :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWSa1uQxiJA

[autumn turret]

I bet it's not a property, just a local variable, to keep secrets from being "exposed" to outside callers

One option, leave out "file" completely, and just keep "secrets". As long as it's mentioned in the guide somewhere that "secrets == secrets.py" for newcomers

Bitcoin @ $3936 - those were the days!

So this is showing my newness to Python, but what's the difference, or benefit (if any) between single quote and double quote strings?

Well, there was that one person who spent either 1,000 or 10,000 BTC to order a Papa John's pizza

[wind spoke]

One thing that interest me in secrets.py is to have alternate SSID and PASSWORD. And then I would like the "connect" library to give a try to alternative.

[autumn turret]

That'd be good @wind spoke, specially combined with the start_scan()

[wind spoke]

That's because I don't have yet those smart Wifi think that communicate with each other... but many access point left and right with their own SSID.

Normaly when you don't see in the scan.

[autumn turret]

And have a "hidden" for those that don't broadcast

Mesh networking

[wind spoke]

I have a "LaboLabo" and I use that for guide, so I can leak my secrets.py. 🙂

[autumn turret]

Good thinking David! I enabled the Guest wifi on my router, for my IoT stuff, and kept it separate from the main network. So if something "gets out", the home network is still private

Yep, StarShip (starship.rs)

gh is an official tool

Do you also do CP development from PyCharm?

I've seen that with the MagTag too. I was thinking it might be router still thinking the device with that MAC address was still connected

[wind spoke]

Definitively the MagTag made that kind of joke with me, but that was on the fridge. This is the main idea about multiple SSID, I do not develop next to my Fridge, but I want the MagTag to work on the fridge. The antenna is between the screen and the metal of the fridge... not the best place.

Update all your lib first.

[sacred ice]

is "secrets" hard coded in the lib?

[autumn turret]

Your secrets isn't called "secrets"

It's "test_secrets", right?

[pallid sail]

exactly

PyPortal probably shouldn't import secrets

[sacred ice]

lol

[wind spoke]

Those mega library from Melissa are great to use, but a bit complex if you want to get into it.

I never found time to try your PyGamer displayio thing... so it's great you demoed it.

[pallid sail]

PyPortal needs secrets_data

Don't the init arguments need to match in both PyPortal and PortalBase?

exactly

I am 99% you need to make secrets_data an arugment for PyPortal and pass it to the super.init

[autumn turret]

I missed part of it, but definitely got value from what I did catch

Thanks @smoky island

[wind spoke]

Thank you. It's always good to see the developement environment of other.

[sacred ice]

Thanks!

[wind spoke]

Bye

[pallid sail]

Thanks!

[smoky island]

Thanks to all of you as well appreciate you coming to hang out for a bit! it was fun, I'll definitely do it again!

[smoky island]

I will be streaming again this morning working on some CircuitPython library PRs. If anyone is interested to watch along or hang out I'll be live on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch and Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_yMNrnhVwI

[wild urchin]

Since all y'all do so many streams, is there a good place here on Adafruit to ask about starting streaming?

[inner solar]

I'd say ask here? 😄

(I stream a bit as well so happy to answer questions)

[open girder]

DESK OF LADYADA - STEMMA Sunday - ISO1540 & SHT40 breakouts, TikTok'in, Quad Mics, and some LC709203 debuggin' https://youtu.be/c_0uDYDNDxA

[spiral bough]

Love you guys, stay safe!

[mellow thunder]

Good evening!!

[balmy nova]

Got my chihuahua so I am ready for desk of lady ada

[urban gale]

I live 6 blocks from the capitol 😫

[open girder]

@urban gale one of our first trips as covid ends will be to DC, love it there

[urban gale]

I hope we'll be open again someday. Maybe have another Nat'l Maker Faire

[open girder]

@urban gale the chances of that are now very good, we'll help make it happen

[mellow thunder]

I cant believe I only signed up for Tic Tok because of Adafruit...LOL!

[open girder]

same here 🙂

[shell mason]

earlier than expected

well for me that service not available

i used snapchat on my shield tablet before that device got bricked as even recall device got same thing after it

[mellow thunder]

Gonna have to try Home Assistant, been hardcore Alexa for everything, but really sounds like a great excuse for yet another Pi!

[tame dew]

The installation and bring up experience on Home Assistant is really smooth. I was impressed.

[shell mason]

having the tester on 5.1 sound system or even in 7.1 hearing it left and right sounds or where there speaker is

[tame dew]

Burr-Brown makes great analog parts. Glad to see TI continued the brand.

[open girder]

https://www.digikey.com/short/474c1q

[autumn turret]

Same here!

[mellow thunder]

@autumn turret LOL! usually I just see a bunch of young people dancing around, my 14 year old uses it...lol.

[autumn turret]

I've got a 7 and 9 year old, so nope there! But I just saw Scott Hanselman's latest newsletter he sent today, and he's on there too now. So..... now I'm conflicted!

[shell mason]

great search again

[lilac tusk]

How many layers is the qt py?

[shell mason]

electric imp is one with twilio there is some part what you could look who use that connectivity

[tame dew]

That would be cool@to parse the yaml

[mellow thunder]

Will you do a learn guide on the Home automation?

[open girder]

yep!

[spiral bough]

Take care good people of Adafruit!

[shell mason]

the imp one https://developer.electricimp.com/hardware/resources/reference-designs/imp006breakout

[urban gale]

thx all! take care!

[weary ravine]

Bye people.

[noble grove]

In the Echo Dot teardown there appears to be a MK5 right in the center of the board. Is it missing or on the back of the board?

[haughty quiver]

howdy!

[viscid bolt]

Good afternoon

[inner spade]

Hello!

YT disco sounds!

[cinder wind]

woot!

[viral sail]

Hi everyone.

[inner spade]

👋

Mic audio is very good. Peaking at -6db.

[sterile forge]

JP good day

[haughty quiver]

hi @sterile forge !

hi @viral sail !

hi @cinder wind !

[cinder wind]

The board is called "gator" because you can buy two and wear them on your shins

[haughty quiver]

hi @inner spade !

hi @viscid bolt !

[viral sail]

unmute

[haughty quiver]

whoops!

thanks

[inner spade]

Can it detect more than one pad touched at the same time?

[haughty quiver]

yes it can!

Sorry I didn't see that during the stream!

[viral sail]

Thanks @haughty quiver

[inner spade]

Excellent! Could be useful for polyphony and portamento!

[haughty quiver]

OK, the $64,000 question -- did I stay in audio sync?

[cinder wind]

love the MPR121 chip, nice to see a good board for it

[inner spade]

Sync was perfect

[cinder wind]

YES! all the syncing

[haughty quiver]

woooo hooooo!

The lemon did the trick

[cinder wind]

"what are you syncing about?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRf9ooQ7qq8

[haughty quiver]

I’m digging this orientation of header sockets for QT Py :)

[autumn turret]

Woah, just catching the show now. That's MORE than 50% off!

[timid plover]

Out of stock
~~https://www.adafruit.com/product/2340~~
My mistake - searched for just MPR121 - here's the link I should have used
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4830

does CP support the IRQ capabilities of the MPR121 via I2C

[open girder]

COVID-19 Memorial 5:30pm ET at Adafruit - Light a candle https://youtu.be/tfVS1foDQvQ

[hard hollow]

morin' folks ☕️

[shell mason]

morning noe

[hard hollow]

howdy!

[autumn turret]

Good morning Noe

[hard hollow]

hello there

[rocky reef]

good morning folks!

#3DHangouts Episode #311 LIVE – 3D Hangouts – Darksaber, Buddha Box and Screws #3DPrinting
https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live

[waxen thistle]

Good morning all you wonderful folks, sentient 3D printers, and Mandalorians. ⚔️

[hard hollow]

mornin' Bruce 🙂

[waxen thistle]

Hope everyone is doing well.

[nova totem]

Good morning! At least can watch the first half hopefully today

[viscid bolt]

Good morning

[sterile forge]

good day to all

[waxen thistle]

?showtimes

[arctic abyss]

JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
Desk of Ladyada - Random hacker times
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/Scott - 5pm ET Fridays

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruitdaily.com

https://www.adafruit.com/newsletter

https://io.adafruit.com/

https://jobs.adafruit.com

[shell mason]

darksaber isthenew belt printable file right?

[mellow thunder]

Hello boys!

In your learn guide for Dark Saber, are those the neopixels you used on yours? 100.00 bucks ouch..lol

[waxen thistle]

https://learn.adafruit.com/ble-darksaber-propmaker

[mellow thunder]

@shell mason they have.stl's for all size printers in learn guide

Ah ty

[rocky reef]

Code on GitHub
https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Learning_System_Guides/tree/master/CircuitPython_Darksaber

[shell mason]

belt printers have infinite-Z

[rocky reef]

Darksaber CAD Walkthrough https://www.adafruit.com/product/4860
https://youtu.be/pvBuuFpGia0

Metal RGB LED Button
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4660

CAD on Thingiverse
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4728340

[mellow thunder]

Adafruit Mini Skinny NeoPixel Digital RGB LED Strip 2m - Black 30 LED

PID: 2957

This should work?

[rocky reef]

3D Parts Library on GitHub
https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CAD_Parts

[mellow thunder]

Whoops those are black

[timid plover]

perhaps you could you a half reel, and pay only $49.90 - but take the warning in https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-neopixel-uberguide/neopixel-strips into account

"if purchasing less than a full reel (4 or 5 meters, respectively), the strip may or may not have 3-pin JST plugs soldered at one or both ends. "

[mellow thunder]

@timid plover agreed, found the 2m option.

I got the CR10 V3 fired up now, perfect timing!

[rocky reef]

Layer by Layer CAD Tutorials Playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjF7R1fz_OOVsMp6nKnpjsXSQ45nxfORb

[mellow thunder]

Is there enough room on that chip to copy over the whole library? Makes life easier?

[static wedge]

How nice do the black covers print? My Ender 3 leaves a rough finish on the top side of flat prints

[mellow thunder]

@static wedge you can get a smooth surface plate for cheap for the ender 3, or painters tape maybe.

[fluid drum]

After watching this I really want to try it out. Might have to change my near-term printing/making plans.

[shell mason]

light it need too

[mellow thunder]

I have been spoiled with pyportal and magtag chip space..lol

[nova totem]

I've had this dice tower downloaded but hadn't had a chance to print it yet. Happy to see how you built it

[rocky reef]

thanks so much for hanging out folks!

[shell mason]

good show

[fluid drum]

great show!

[hard hollow]

thanks folks, apprecaite the comments 🙂

cya tonight on S&T

[mellow thunder]

You guys are awesome ty!

[static wedge]

Can’t wait to print it myself!

[ivory kiln]

Hello

[waxen thistle]

Good evening all you wonderful folks, sharers of projects, and dancing parrots! 🦜

[nova totem]

Good evening!

[viral sail]

Good evening everyone.

[hard hollow]

howdy

[fallow fractal]

Hi ! Can anyone help a noob finding the link to participate in tonights' S&T ?

[nova totem]

They will post it here any minute

[fallow fractal]

OK good ! I was afraid I was not at the right place

[waxen thistle]

@fallow fractal They'll share it in a few moments, it'll be a Streamyard link.

[split gazelle]

good evening folks

[sage aspen]

Good Evening all 👋

[open girder]

Link to join to show and share your project: https://streamyard.com/4xv8wmp82r

[autumn turret]

Ahoy ahoy good people!

[waxen thistle]

❤️ ♥️

[mellow thunder]

Dark Saber parts ordered! Yes!!!

[waxen thistle]

Liz is a Jedi, confirmed.

[autumn turret]

❤️ to Liz's code contribution!!!

[mellow thunder]

For Sure! TY Liz!

[split gazelle]

😺

ohhh that's huge @low fractal !

[nova totem]

That's awesome

[waxen thistle]

This is wicked cool.

[mellow thunder]

WOW I dig that!

[waxen thistle]

That looks like the hud for an Xwing targeting a reactor port.

[autumn turret]

I was thinking just that @waxen thistle!

Specially when he mentioned animations

Great stuff @low fractal

[inner solar]

wow

[split gazelle]

are his brain waves causing some audio crackle 😅

[nova totem]

Brain controlled duck hunt would be awesome

[waxen thistle]

Duck Hunt for your brain --- why do I always see a laughing dog?

nice job colin, if you think it -- you can make it.

[autumn turret]

Oh wow, that's a great way to interact with editable numeric controls easily @split gazelle

[waxen thistle]

Spinning in circles with Liz 🙂

[split gazelle]

@autumn turret thanks!

[nova totem]

That looks so cool

[hot swallow]

@split gazelle ah - so useful. v sweet.

[waxen thistle]

Oh this is wicked nice

[strange mantle]

LCARS!

[autumn turret]

I love that the I2C address is on there too. So clever

[split gazelle]

@hot swallow thanks!

looks amazing @neat geyser

[hasty chasm]

this thing is soooo cool @neat geyser ... been following its development on twitter (https://twitter.com/josecastillo for the uninitiated)

[neat geyser]

thanks!! 😄

[waxen thistle]

Speaking of spinning in circles!

[mellow thunder]

oh nice!

[waxen thistle]

The goal of techies: to build better tech than what's on Star Trek.

Our phones are more robust than TOS flip communicators.

Our tablets are better than TNG's PADDs.

[autumn turret]

Very nice @nova totem , especially that you included awesome visuals in 1/2 the time.. wow!

[mellow thunder]

Circuit Python saved my life! lol

[waxen thistle]

In fact, I'd argue the CLUE has more sensors than a Tricorder 😉

[split gazelle]

looks fantastic @nova totem

[mellow thunder]

@nova totem Looks fantastic!

[waxen thistle]

Indeed, very nice 🙂

[grand tusk]

Nice!

[sage aspen]

@nova totem I'd have to disagree with you being bad at UIs. It looks really nice.

[viral sail]

Great projects everyone. Thanks for sharing.

[lilac tusk]

I need to snag a magtag one of these days

Great projects everyone 🥳

[nova totem]

@autumn turret @split gazelle @mellow thunder Thanks a lot!

[deep scarab]

Really nice Magtag display.

[nova totem]

@sage aspen Thanks! I have a couple friends who can do a UI design in minutes I'm always jealous of which takes me hours

[autumn turret]

Why don't you? They're right over there in the sho.... woops, too late!

[shadow epoch]

awww seeing people at a maker faire... can't wait

[split gazelle]

great projects everyone!

[lilac tusk]

I’m hoping by the time next week comes around I’ll have some stuff to bring on show n tel. I’ve got a few boards coming from fab I’m excited about

[viral sail]

😷

[nova totem]

The Magtag is so nice @lilac tusk so easy to use

[lilac tusk]

Well, a few in fab and a few I’ll be sending to fab soon

[sage aspen]

@nova totem that's ok. The end result is what matters most.

[waxen thistle]

Thanks for sharing everyone -- you are what we need to build a better world. It's built one brick at a time, one kind helping hand at a time.

[fallow fractal]

Thanks again for the helping hand getting connected !

[open girder]

ASK AN ENGINEER 1/20/2021 LIVE! https://youtu.be/tsGvhW1xFho

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruit.com/opensafely

https://www.adafruit.com/free

[nova totem]

March 23rd was the day I was sent home from work to work from home, crazy it is approaching that again

[autumn turret]

My last day in the office was March 6th. Was off the following week for kids' spring break, and in that week was when everything went 💩

[open girder]

limor and i have been on site at adafruit every day except a few times (xmas day, etc.), it's going to be a year soon since we've changed the shifts, schedules, and have some of the teams working from home

in jan of last year, we stopped allowing visitors / meetings / travel

we had partners in china tell us to watch out, so we did, they even sent masks

[autumn turret]

Yeah, NY was bad off quick, but helps that you both are so conscious of things going on, and can take protective measures, and provide them, early on

[open girder]

and by feb it was clear something was happening, so we reduced on site teams / schedules

then we closed besides limor and i before NYC did closures, then we reopened when they asked us to make PPE and equipment for the city

and here we are

looking back, we had to figure it all out on own, but if you approach things with an others focus, that kinda solves a lot of things

[nova totem]

These shows was some of the first indications I had on how bad it was, we were relatively late with the spread being somewhat isolated. The second wave hit us hard because our first "wave" was so small

[autumn turret]

The fact that you were able to do that - take a step back, look at the big picture, and rationally figure out a plan of action is great. Some things you can never be ready for or expect, but how you respond to the situation says tonnes

[open girder]

looking back, the for-sure thing was distance, air flow, and masks (and we did gloves and sanitizers), it seemed "extreme" but there was no harm with having those protocols so we did

turns out, that was the way to manage it

[autumn turret]

Engineers, whoda thunk!

[open girder]

we had also ordered 1+ years worth of all supplies

[autumn turret]

wow

[open girder]

so here we are, a year a later

[nova totem]

I was thinking about that a couple weeks ago. How little anyone knew about how it spread back then even

[waxen thistle]

⏱️ Lars just wanted to play MineSweeper! @haughty quiver's MakeCode Minute was 2min 29sec of making a MineSweeper clone on an Adafruit CircuitPlayground Express! Good luck, Lars! ⏱️

[autumn turret]

lol

[haughty quiver]

Lars wins every time. It's suspicious.

[waxen thistle]

Did you use MakeCode for a cheat code, JP?

[robust horizon]

🦥

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adabox.com

TikTok QR Code [this time, it's actually a JPEG!]

https://blog.adafruit.com/2021/01/20/icymi-python-on-microcontrollers-newsletter-covid-tracking-oshwa-proposals-and-much-more-python-adafruit-circuitpython-icymi-micropython-thepsf/

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4703

https://learn.adafruit.com/guides/latest

[noble grove]

The great thing about Windows and OSX is that, if something doesn't work you can blame "them" for it. On Linux, if it doesn't work it might be that you're too lazy or ignorant.

[autumn turret]

Not true @noble grove - it might be an actual issue, you just need to fix the code and rebuild the kernel yourself. No biggie! 😄

[noble grove]

@hugo That's what I meant by lazy. (me)

[autumn turret]

To be clear... </sarcasm>

[noble grove]

same

[autumn turret]

Same here. I'd welcome you into the club, but I'm already sitting, and you're way over there, and.. you know

[noble grove]

xacly

[waxen thistle]

https://learn.adafruit.com/ble-darksaber-propmaker

[autumn turret]

I still think it's so awesome the Noe and Pedro made the design to be printable on any size 3d printer.

[waxen thistle]

Two of the most thoughtful and professional makers -- the fit and finish of their work is amazing, and their videos have a level of polish that's second to none.

[autumn turret]

"Make the force be with you". Nice

[fair fulcrum]

i printed one on of my feather wing cases the other day and realized that I made in a way that does not support the new USB-C boards. time to update!

[fluid drum]

I love it when people include fails in their time-lapse videos. We all hate fails, but the spaghetti monster sometimes look like pure art!

[waxen thistle]

Engineering is learning from failure.

[fair fulcrum]

i dono why, but mine usually dont spaghetti when they fail, they turn in to a blob and stick to the nozzle. lol

[autumn turret]

Sometimes you get spaghetti, sometimes you get meatballs?

[waxen thistle]

@fair fulcrum I'm sure the folks in #help-with-3dprinting might be able to give their thoughts on that 🙂

[fluid drum]

ouch, yeah. The blob is a different matter! Now those are evil.

[fair fulcrum]

@autumn turret HAHA! YES!

@waxen thistle yea, i guess i never thought of it as a problem over a basic adhesion issue, maybe i should check in to it.

oh! using IR, that is clever!

[waxen thistle]

Now I'm hungry for Jello.

Satisfies cravings & unlocks your computer 😛

[autumn turret]

I prefer pudding, but I can work with Jell-O!

[delicate fractal]

If you use a full-size photo as a mask, does it trick the fake face algorithm?

[waxen thistle]

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/nxp-usa-inc/SLN-VIZNAS-IOT/13547507?s=N4IgTCBcDaIM4BsB2BaAbgSwF5IIZxQwHsAXEAXQF8g

[fair fulcrum]

how about Gelato?

[waxen thistle]

Commander Data approves of the "Emotion Engine".

[fluid drum]

It looks like a cool board. But I'm not sure if I need another dev board sitting on my desk right now...

But it would be cool to integrate with a robotics project.

[fair fulcrum]

got some nearly inducers on there.

[autumn turret]

Totally

This week on "The great search": The Dual camera

[waxen thistle]

You can save face with this NXP dev board kit.

[upper sandal]

oooof

[autumn turret]

They forgot the new products at the office

[shell mason]

new new new new delay

[open girder]

worth the wait 🙂

[waxen thistle]

My wallet breathes a sigh of relief 😉

[autumn turret]

Wallet just breathed a brief sigh of relief

[fair fulcrum]

UGH! nooooo, i cant stand suspense.

[open girder]

only a few hours, don't worry 🙂

[fluid drum]

So does that mean a new product special broadcast tommorow?

[autumn turret]

LOL Jynx @waxen thistle

[open girder]

it's rare we gotta wait to release something, but sometimes we do 🙂

yep, we'll have a vid tomorrow

[fair fulcrum]

buuuuuut I dont waaaaana. lol. ><;

[nova totem]

Go to sleep early and it'll be tomorrow 🙂

[autumn turret]

Seriously though, we know how much happens at Adafruit in 24 hours, so it's certainly going to be excellent

[merry gulch]

??? Could you use the SPI interface to communicate directly to embedded sensors/controller in a remote handheld device? Are there length limitations? What would be the preferred way to communicate with embedded sensors/controller in a handheld device?

[waxen thistle]

https://learn.adafruit.com/animated-gif-player-for-matrix-portal

[fair fulcrum]

i have some serious issues figuring out how to use Eagle, i keep expecting it to have similar layout tools to fusion.

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruit.com/free

[autumn turret]

I think the Magtag is just that perfect cross-section of functionality, ease of use (with CP) and low power with eInk and deep-sleep

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4854

[fluid drum]

The Magtag is a great device. A huge hat tip for that product! It is such a great device for fast/low-power e-ink projects.

[dim knot]

Have you tried Eagle Cad inside of Fusion360 yet?

[nova totem]

I am thinking of what else I can put on a display when they eventually get the 4 and some inch MagTag they have hinted at wanting to make

[autumn turret]

More LCARS!

[waxen thistle]

@open girder Thanks for another awesome evening of shows!

[fair fulcrum]

@dim knot i have done that, I was a little more successful. Still a struggle.

[viral sail]

Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌓

[fluid drum]

Good show. Informative as always!

[merry gulch]

??? Could you use the SPI interface to communicate directly to embedded sensors/controller in a remote handheld device? Are there length limitations? What would be the preferred way to communicate with embedded sensors/controller in a handheld device?

[rapid hornet]

@merry gulch how long are your wires

generally the longer they are, the slower you'll want to clock the data

[fair fulcrum]

@open girder Happy to support a Woman owned company with high standards for our society!

[dim knot]

Night all!

[waxen thistle]

Allright, time to relax for the evening. Hope y'all have a good one, and remember...Make the Force be with you 🙂

[merry gulch]

@rapid hornet Thanks, just wanted to know if its a OK to use approach or if there's something better. Didn't get started yet but assume around 2 or 3 meters.

@rapid hornet Is SPI used as a wired interface?

[rapid hornet]

ya, SPI is four wires usually

[merry gulch]

OK, wasn't sure if it's a good idea to go off board to connect to SPI devices?

[rapid hornet]

I don't think it's often used at that distance

[merry gulch]

Thanks, I didn't think so either

[lilac tusk]

Yeah, SPI is effective over a few inches tops

maybe up to 30cm

[noble grove]

@merry gulch Usually want to use something with differential twisted pairs for that kind of distance and speed. CANbus, RS485, RS422, ethernet, that sort of thing.

[open girder]

DESK OF LADYADA - Raspberry Pi Pico and Adafruit RP2040 boards! https://youtu.be/LMfRA_k-EYQ

[rapid hornet]

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-silicon-pico-now-on-sale/

[open girder]

https://adafruit.com/feather2040

[grand tusk]

Um, out of stock already?

[lilac tusk]

Yup

Sparkfun still has

[wispy linden]

I think the @open girder team said it won't appear until "morning" so it may not be online in the store yet?

Although my local distributor has sold 300 in 6 hours, so maybe Adafruit has also gone out of stock :/

[modern night]

It's in stock now

[autumn turret]

Just got my order in!

😅 Was worried I'd miss the proverbial boat!

[shell mason]

good good @autumn turret

[wispy linden]

Just an example of what it is capable of, this developer used the new PIO functionality to "Bitbang DVI video signals" from it at 720p30 (372 Mbps). https://github.com/Wren6991/picodvi

[prime sentinel]

Wow, an RP2040 ItsyBitsy? That's a little mind boggling (then again, I was boggled at the Gemma M0, a coin size board that can run Python)

[grand tusk]

Ordered one (and a bunch of other things). Out of headers, I guess I will solder mine to the free permaproto board. Signed up for the feather also.

[haughty quiver]

I want QT Py 2040 boards that I can use to replace all my shirt buttons.

[lavish patrol]

Greetings, good people.

[haughty quiver]

Hey Hi!

[spiral vale]

Live Live Live!

[inner spade]

👋

[viscid bolt]

Good afternoon

[lavish patrol]

Incoming Lars...

[haughty quiver]

in full 1080p glory as I tempt the bandwidth gremlins

[inner spade]

Livin' on the edge!

bleeps and bloops on YT

[lavish patrol]

Bleepage and bloopage.

[haughty quiver]

oops

[lavish patrol]

Lol

[fluid drum]

Hello all

[haughty quiver]

please standby for crash recovery

[lavish patrol]

Back.

[spiral vale]

Behind the scenes!

[haughty quiver]

totally. when things crash the vid caps flip out

[lavish patrol]

This is John Park's Workshop Uncut.

[fluid drum]

Video and audio both good on YouTube

[inner spade]

mic audio very good; peaking at -6db and in sync

[timid plover]

audio sync on twitch is good

[autumn turret]

Good afternoon JP!

[lavish patrol]

Lol.

[spiral vale]

GATOR!

[lavish patrol]

🐊

[haughty quiver]

🐊

[lavish patrol]

Snap!

[cinder wind]

no gator for you!

AV is good

[inner spade]

all in sync!

[silent quartz]

Looking forward to the feather version and connect version!

[quasi onyx]

Is it more like an ARduino/AtMel or a ARM w/support IO?

[cinder wind]

RP2040 does not run Linux... YET 🙂

[quasi onyx]

Same as these? https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/adafruit-feather-rp2040-microcontroller-21-01-2021/

[spiral vale]

Arduino and Adafruit are doing versions of a micocontroller with this chip

[lavish patrol]

£3.60 at Pimoroni 👍

[spiral vale]

adafruit will have both Feather and ItsyBitsy formats

[quasi onyx]

anyone know the MIPS (or some other) rating? Is is RISC?

[silent quartz]

The PIO sounds great

[fluid drum]

The price point on this microcontroller is just crazy, raspberry wants to get into this market with a bang.

[hard hollow]

pico me crazy!

[spiral vale]

:waves:

[cinder wind]

MTC: Magical @rapid hornet Cartridge

[lavish patrol]

👋

[cinder wind]

hey @spiral vale your keyswitch sequencer thing is very very cool

[quasi onyx]

speed/pressure (velocity/volume) sensitive?

[lavish patrol]

Cool.

[silent quartz]

Looks like it sends CV pitch/gate?

[spiral vale]

unfortunately no way to do velocity with regular MX-style keyswitches

has CV pitch and gate

[quasi onyx]

gotcha.. more of just a sequencer

[silent quartz]

Nice! Are you/will you be selling the pcb?

[spiral vale]

will be

gotta setup an interest check type thing soon

so i can figure out how much stuff to order for kits (like keycaps)

[inner spade]

synth output in mix is okay

[spiral vale]

pew pew!~

[lavish patrol]

Lol.

[fluid drum]

I'm watching this at work. some of the girls think I'm playing games in my office now thanks to the gameboy sounds....

[spiral vale]

Thx JP!

[waxen thistle]

Just arrived -- and we're nearly done. Perfect timing!

[spiral vale]

seems like the Pico could be cool to use for the sequencer since the display stuff seems to take too dang long to update and throws midi timing off

[lavish patrol]

Better late than never. 😉

[waxen thistle]

Oh no apologies needed, that's entirely on me. Life happens 🤷‍♂️

[lavish patrol]

Another great Workshop @haughty quiver 👍

[waxen thistle]

Hope it was a smashingly good show 🙂

[inner spade]

Super workshop visit today @haughty quiver ! Thanks!

[quasi onyx]

fun stuff

[haughty quiver]

thanks all!

[lavish patrol]

Absolutely spiffing.

[cinder wind]

good show

[fluid drum]

I agree, good workshop. Love to see uses for old hardware like Gameboys

[haughty quiver]

some links from today:

https://github.com/chickadee-tech/pygb

https://github.com/okyeron/OMX-27/blob/main/Build.md

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJX8CADh7iP/

https://www.adafruit.com/category/875

[fluid drum]

The Pico announcement really overshadowed anything else today. At that cheap price point it take on the cheap Arduino clones (which I've admittedly used often).

[haughty quiver]

It's bonkers cheap!

I'm going to use spare ones as bookmarks, crumb sweepers, and table leg shims!

[spiral vale]

If anyone is interested in the OMX-27 - please DM me and I will figure out a way to keep in touch when it becomes available

[fair fulcrum]

aww, I missed it, oh well, will probably wait for the feather/itsybitsy any how =^-^=

[rapid hornet]

Deep Dive notes doc is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wnpeVUNscMTrxZ21t53M8nZq99SukUt0pT2g0ZeJjGI/edit?usp=sharing

[sterile forge]

Hello to all watching

[strong acorn]

👋

[rustic oyster]

👋🏻

[warm dust]

Hi 👋

[viscid bolt]

👍

[viral sail]

Hi Scott.

[modern night]

hello all hope the day's going well

[wind spoke]

Hi.

[weary ravine]

Another board to learn!

[simple fractal]

yay for a return to normalcy down south

[sterile forge]

I wonder if you could use the pio to output midi msgs on the USB

[simple fractal]

hopefully

[modern night]

woo a great week is fantastic to hear!

[rustic oyster]

32 THREADSSSS

[smoky island]

For folks in other timezones: I am starting up CircuitPython programming streams and looking at Saturday mornings (US Central Time) which may line up at nicer time for some folks. I will likely stay more in Python and Library land than core and C than Scott, but similar content in other ways.

[timid plover]

audio good on twitch

[upper sandal]

hiii

[light stump]

Super thanks for the pointers on ESP32-S2 ParallelBus during last week’s deep dive! (kmatch98)

[sterile forge]

I wonder if you could use the pio to output midi msgs on the USB

[wind spoke]

Wanna play BINGO? https://twitter.com/DavidGlaude/status/1352401659494862852?s=20

David Glaude (@DavidGlaude)

@CircuitPython My bingo list:

• RP 2040
• Pico
• Cat cam
• @CircuitPython
• PIO
• assembler
• from private to public git
• floating point
• UF2
• @Raspberry_Pi
• M0
• [object Object]
• Feather RP2040
• CP 6.1
• #circuitpython2021
• Timestamp
• TinyUSB
• Lot's of ram
• embargo
• No reset button

Twitter · Jan 21, 2021, 11:44 PM

[viscid bolt]

@smoky island That sounds interesting

[simple fractal]

well where is 6.2 on the list 🙂

[wind spoke]

I did not knew about 6.2 at time of making that tweet!!!

[simple fractal]

you need perfect forward vision

[nova totem]

No real time closed captions on youtube while I'm on a final meeting, I'll just try to read lips

[cinder wind]

[object rp2040 Object rp2040]!

[modest vector]

Hi all. Late.

[wind spoke]

If you want two, get two. One can be used to debug the other!

[tame dew]

Pico is exciting

[modern night]

ordered one yesterday, I'm super looking forward to them getting in!

[modest vector]

Nice, the RP2040. I can't wait for them to be back in stock. I can't believe I missed out on the first batch.

[tame dew]

Too bad we have to wait for a Feather 😉

[upper sandal]

at least you get a reset button on the feather

[wind spoke]

Unboxing

[pallid sail]

Some physical locations already had them in stock in the US - https://twitter.com/at_makers/status/1352736043825508361

A.T. Makers (@at_makers)

Score! Thanks Robert at @microcenter Marrietta for helping me get 5X @Raspberry_Pi #pico In-stock and local! Now to prototype my @adafruit #circuitPython project!

Twitter · Jan 22, 2021, 9:53 PM

[modest vector]

Question: Why is a QtPi not a thing? It's the perfect name 😉

[rustic oyster]

5 even! adafruit only let me have 3 😂

[upper sandal]

I'll add one of those nunchuck adapters to my cart for my next order too, I got some laying around

[wind spoke]

Who is soldering the header? Human or machine?

[rustic oyster]

QtPyPi

[simple fractal]

https://github.com/micropython/micropython/pull/6791#issue-558939261
for the micropython curious

[cinder wind]

congrats on CP 6.2 beta!

Let me take this moment to vote for being able to disable specific USB devices in CircuitPython! 🙂 🙂 🙂 (I'd love to be able to disable USB CDC at times)

[upper sandal]

particularly with screen, where it doesn't even stay in the backlog of your terminal, unless you log to file (hence why I prefer tio or picocom)

[simple fractal]

there are some repos with initial rust support

[rustic oyster]

hit the board specs tab (on getting started page)

[cinder wind]

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/pico/getting-started/

[modest vector]

40nm sounds large, but how does that compare to other MCUs?

[warm dust]

ya their datasheet is real nice

kinda like a guide

[nova totem]

The datasheet telling you how to lay out your own board was super helpful for someone like me

[proper trench]

@rapid hornet 👋 i have to sotf but can tag me in text for Q

[nova totem]

like I'd almost want to try to design a board/build it just to learn

[simple fractal]

https://datasheets.raspberrypi.org/rp2040/hardware_design_with_rp2040.pdf

[fluid drum]

I agree with awesome docs. Makes me feel they really care about the product and want people to use it

[rustic oyster]

Oop, Tom's Hardware reported they were using TSMC

[simple fractal]

i do love how they release it all at once.

[warm dust]

I think the S2 is also 40nm

[rustic oyster]

(their review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raspberry-pi-pico-review, "he RP2040 chips are fabricated at TSMC on their 40nm process.", 🤷🏻‍♀️)

[nova totem]

Sorry if this was covered before I showed up but can CP use both cores? or not yet?

[warm dust]

we want all the cores

[nova totem]

holding... threading, background tasks like PWM though PIO may help that i guess

[simple fractal]

i will dedicate the second core to blinky

[nova totem]

run two copies of CP at once? 🙂 for reasons...

[modest vector]

Can you sleep the 2nd core to save power?

[left pier]

Basic Python
https://github.com/tannewt/basicpython/

[simple fractal]

just looking at how MPY does the PIO stuff. Can't wait to play with this thing

[nova totem]

I just found a place in Canada that still had stock so have two on the way

[simple fractal]

canada is just waking up to electronics

was in canakit or buyapi?

[nova totem]

buyapi

[simple fractal]

i bought mine from there

[sterile forge]

The PICO has 2mb of flash, can uf2 handle larger flash chips?

[simple fractal]

although i think canakit is closer

yes

16MB

[sterile forge]

alright

[simple fractal]

page 12 of the hardware doc has the flash stuff

[nova totem]

I'm in the middle of the prairies so no where is close sadly

[sterile forge]

properly timed midi msgs for music insturments over usb thru aa pio device

[simple fractal]

i was amazed that some asian suppliers have cheaper DHL shipping than Canada Post. except they wont ship to me

[rustic oyster]

I swear I'm determined to make the PIO state machine programs being called "IO Shaders" stick 😛

[simple fractal]

neat project
https://github.com/Wren6991/picodvi

[modest vector]

@rapid hornet 1999 people have starred circuitpython.

1 more to go!

[proper trench]

!

[simple fractal]

i think he runs the rp2040 at 250mhz

start starring

[warm dust]

[nova totem]

Just starred it

[simple fractal]

staring?

[rustic oyster]

🍻

[modest vector]

gamblor21 is 2000 I think 🙂

[simple fractal]

do you get a gift @nova totem

[proper trench]

💝

[nova totem]

Probably not, more "why'd it take you so long" 🙂

[simple fractal]

i should have held back my star for a special moment

[rustic oyster]

I probably dont' have it starred tbh. It's just in my bookmarks 🙃

there we go, fixed.

[simple fractal]

https://github.com/raspberrypi/micropython/blob/pico/ports/rp2/examples/pio_ws2812.py

an example of the PIO and WS2812

i guess i should post CPY links

[wind spoke]

Do you think Copyright apply on 4 instructions? Or on any PIO program?

[analog acorn]

It'll help with timing sensitive sensors like the BNO055, yes?

[wind spoke]

Will you implement CAN BUS with PIO? Is that possible and one example of thing possible?

[grand tusk]

What about Bell 202 AFSK?

[waxen thistle]

Good afternoon all you wonderful folks! I may be late, but my internal clock was out of sync due to increased workloads.

[simple fractal]

lol

[rustic oyster]

shenzhen io has almost twice the instruction set haha

[left pier]

https://www.zachtronics.com/shenzhen-io/

[wind spoke]

microUSB is good for school and they may have micro:bit already.

Can everybody come to Discord chat rather than YouTube chat?

[left pier]

We're chat inclusive

[wind spoke]

Do you have a de-assembler (I know the code is read-only)?

[warm dust]

everyone needs become an [object Object]

[waxen thistle]

Some might object to that.

[upper sandal]

well then it has to go through the Turing test then. So you are in the desert, there's a Turtle on it's back...

[timid plover]

I'd be curious about CP examples of using the PIO

[wind spoke]

You should do BLINK

[left pier]

@proper trench How long from "Hey there's going to be a RP2040" to first working PCBA did it take for the Feather RP2040 to come to life?

Seems like it was super fast (impressed)

[modest vector]

Can you put pico and feather side by side to get an idea of how small/large pico is?

[wind spoke]

@proper trench Did you had to unsolder some MCU or they gave you a few?

[proper trench]

FYI we have PICOs in stock now

we will have ones with headers shortly

[modest vector]

@proper trench Thank you was anxiously refreshing, haha

[wind spoke]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4864

[proper trench]

we wanted to avoid overloading our shipping team

so we are only putting in a few hundred at a time

that said, dont wait because we will run out eventually!

[timid plover]

always a spike on the Deep Dive 🙂

[analog acorn]

Thanks! Got one with the re-stocked CO2 sensor. (Thanks for that, too!)

[nova totem]

Oops just ordered elsewhere but anxiously awaiting the feather version too

[brittle meadow]

Poor shipping team 😫

[rustic oyster]

rip