live-broadcast-chat

[fallow fractal]

John I thought you were 4pm EST .. what's the DST version? .oO( ..special early time ..) got it.

[jagged aspen]

I know I can go look myself, but do we have anything in CircuitPython doing DMA to SPI?

(Not sure there's enough free RAM to even think about doing that on M0 for Neopixels or Dotstars)

[clear matrix]

@jagged aspen Did you ask in the wrong channel?

[jagged aspen]

Yes

[clear matrix]

😄

[odd stream]

@haughty quiver I adjusted my alarm for the show.

[distant verge]

I was only thinking the other day how much I need a Meccano set... I haven't seen one in about 30 years though!

[fallow fractal]

Is that a euro thing? Never heard of it. Thought a similar word existed in Italian for 'auto mechanic'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meccano

That is was known as an Erector Set in the United States, in 1965.
Similar, anyway.

[haughty quiver]

We grew up playing with the awesome amusement park Gilbert No. 10 1/2 Erector Set that had been my dad's when he was a kid. It made a parachute drop ride, ferris wheel and more. Had an AC motor to run things. I miss that set!

http://www.girdersandgears.com/erector-1953-ampark.html

I just realized, when Mike Doell was bemoaning nobody remembering Meccano, that must be what they call it in Canada. Usually it's Brits I run into who call it that. We Americans are all, "huh? You mean Erector Sets?"

[eager sapphire]

Thanks for that clarification, John - I wondered if Meccano was the equivalent to Erector Set

Somewhere in my too numerous to mention junk boxes I still have a pulley or two from that set

& miscellaneous parts

[fallow fractal]

Yeah those red pulleys were really nice.

It wasn't my set -- my older brother got it one year. The red pulleys were always (always) in use in a current project, so I rarely got my hands on one. I'd work with the leftover parts he hadn't used (this didn't raise an eyebrow, iirc).

[inner spade]

Played with both Erector and Meccano as a kid. Erector was the go-to for structural stuff with decent mechanical locomotion (gears, pulleys); Meccano was the reverse. Meccano was precise enough to build an automatic transmission/geartrain for my first all-mechanical robot. I miss both sets -- and my Kenner Girders and Panels, Bridges and Roadways, and Fluidic sets, too, But I have Adafruit now...

(Different manufacturers. Parts didn't mix well.)

Oh, and the Gilbert Erec-Tronic set. So happy that my parents saw me coming. I was blessed.

[haughty quiver]

Oh, wow, I've never looked at Meccano to check out the precision. I always thought they were the same as Erector. Now I'll be going to grab a set when I get a chance, thanks!

check 1

[inner spade]

The newer Meccano kits aren't as precise as the old and tend to focus more on structural elements. It would be golden if you can find a 60's era kit in good shape.

[haughty quiver]

good call, i’ll haunt ebay

[fallow fractal]

Got the Crickit and have inventoried all the semiconductor devices (by location, shape and pins -- and associated terminal interconnects). Got one part number so far.

More importantly (almost) I got my first spool of magnet wire!

[waxen thistle]

Very nice 😃

[fallow fractal]

@inner spade Of my parents five children, I was the only one who ever got science oriented christmas presents. From about age 9-12 or so they hit good calls every time.

[eager sapphire]

Getting signal...

[fallow fractal]

Earliest one was a geology kit (sample rocks, scratch test, stuff like that)

[waxen thistle]

I'm holding off with my robotics purchase -- mainly because I'm buried with work, and I'm crossing my fingers regarding adabox 008.

[fallow fractal]

audio heard, @haughty quiver

1969 was the Radio Shack 50-in-1 experimenter's kit, which was my proper start in ..yup .. electronics experiments.

[agile garden]

I have that kit

[eager sapphire]

Yeah I remember that @fallow fractal, wish I still had it

[agile garden]

But mine is the 300 in one

[fallow fractal]

woot

[agile garden]

woot woot

[eager sapphire]

I think i started with a smaller “10 in 1”, something like that

[waxen thistle]

Good afternoon all you wonderful people!

[grizzled totem]

hi

[inner spade]

The groove is groovy. Good sound.

[fallow fractal]

Heathkit had a 6502 (or similar) microprocessor experimenter's kit which I jones'd for but never got my hands on.

[haughty quiver]

Thanks @inner spade

I've got Tonic and Sub Pocket Operators running

alright let's get this going!

[waxen thistle]

Gin and Tonic operators?

[haughty quiver]

Better!

[fallow fractal]

Y'all need some cool test patterns for your video feeds.

[waxen thistle]

@haughty quiver Loud and clear

[fallow fractal]

good audio

[waxen thistle]

Awwww, hope it goes well for your son!

Feeding time at the Circus?

Piccadilly Circus?

[odd stream]

@haughty quiver Made it at the new time (today)

[fallow fractal]

right channel flaky here

[normal plover]

Hello everyone, been awhile since I could watch John live

[waxen thistle]

@haughty quiver Did you get your rabies shot? 😉

[normal plover]

And the first thing I hear is "be careful when you screw....."

[fallow fractal]

Those rect drive shafts remind me of 365 pf miniature air-gapped tuning caps in small AM radios

[waxen thistle]

@normal plover Always solid advice. Make sure you wear protective items, because sometimes things can fly away unexpectedly.

👓

[fallow fractal]

zip ties are the new duct tape

[normal plover]

Yes, but then they have kids of their own and those get dropped off at "Grandparents daycare" unexpectedly

Sorry JOhn

It could have been a "rabid" screwdriver

[waxen thistle]

John Park is inside the computer.

[normal plover]

He isn't glowing like Tron though

[waxen thistle]

Must've missed that release note item in the latest CircuitPython release:

note: added John Park library. Has some issues with interfacing the audio library. synchronized with tetanus and rabies libraries.

[solid wyvern]

adafruit is live at https://www.twitch.tv/adafruit

[normal plover]

Probably part of the touchio libraries

[waxen thistle]

as long as you import coffee, you'll be fine

[normal plover]

    Panic()

[fallow fractal]

lol sponsored by .. my coffee

@opal wolf did we talk extensively about learning git and github?

[opal wolf]

Tightropes are cool, but flaming bagpipes are cooler: https://youtu.be/cnVjkE87FDY

@fallow fractal I think I might have recommended some books about git.

[normal plover]

And he can't get it off....

[fallow fractal]

magneto crank

[waxen thistle]

Regarding git: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2

[opal wolf]

The Pro Git ebook can also be had for free from Amazon and Google Play.

[fallow fractal]

mailing tubes are nice construction substrates. thanks on the github info. Might get to it soon. Maybe.

[waxen thistle]

[and from the site I linked too -- free PDF or online version] 😃

[fallow fractal]

plastic food wrap sometimes has really thick permanent like cardboard tubes for the core

[waxen thistle]

I hear the internet is made of such tubes.

[fallow fractal]

They make good laser baffles (to reduce sight lines back to the source of the emission)

[opal wolf]

Cling film pallet wrap usually comes on super heavy duty cardboard tubes.

[fallow fractal]

Sometimes I use copy paper rolled on a good form and elmer's glue to make a quick tube

(works well as AA x 3 battery holder for example)

this provides a custom inside diameter

Yeah I've laminated 3 layers of standard corrugated cardboard to form fairly stiff cases for small projects

again with the elmer's glue-all

jp burn a different finger this time ;)

[normal plover]

@fallow fractal That is why he is working on the robot hand....

[waxen thistle]

Pffst, he has 10...and two hands. Talk about high availability!

@haughty quiver Which youtube channel is this paper crafter?

Thanks! 😃

Is this the one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-SvvIXsUL8

[fallow fractal]

love the brass paper fasteners

[inner spade]

nice chassis!

[fallow fractal]

I also have a large roll (conical) of very thin waxed string (meant for wrapping packages maybe). Very inexpensive mechanical binding; removes easily with scissors.

Gotta be hundreds of yards or longer I'd think. Very very long roll, still compact.

Yeah stored source code on the target itself, rocks.

Fear of Screwdriver by Erica Jong

[inner spade]

"Please hand me my small screwdriver. No, the red one."

[cinder wind]

that's awesome, @haughty quiver !

[inner spade]

👍 🎪

[fallow fractal]

put an orange tennis ball on the lower end of that galvanized pipe -- that's a hazard.

interchangeable parts ;)

[waxen thistle]

oye.

[fallow fractal]

Like Anderson PowerPoles

[waxen thistle]

I would totally read a book about the things John Park learned while working at Disney.

[fallow fractal]

red scarf tied to it

like driving home from lumber yard

[waxen thistle]

John wasn't joking. Art of Coop is not safe for work or kid friendly. If you choose to look for that pin, be aware of that.

[fallow fractal]

I thought everyone had a spray can of flourescent orange paint (and traces of same on the cement floor)

put the clip parellel captured inside corrogation

small brass wire connecting rod to animate 2nd leg

jp said there's a seesaw firmware update for Crickit out just yesterday.

I'd like to see a transverse balance pole held in the bot's hands, and the accelerometer employed to make it really function.

[normal plover]

I want to see it juggle real balls

[fallow fractal]

Balancing a broom (vertically) with the end on your fingertip is same as riding bicycle -- inverted pendulum physics.

[waxen thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp5krvv1ERw

[fallow fractal]

lol 'you're not a bird'

[waxen thistle]

@haughty quiver Thanks for a fun show!

[fallow fractal]

Thanks, John!

[inner spade]

Very cool!

Love the circus music.

[fallow fractal]

Yeah that was a good choice for the music.

[inner spade]

Thanks!

[haughty quiver]

thanks!

[normal plover]

Another successful show

[past nova]

Thanks, great show

[eager sapphire]

Have a fun afternoon John - thanks for the show, another fun one

Today’s word is ‘fun’

[fallow fractal]

This was an early edition of John Park's workshop. Next week at the regular time. /I think; I wasn't paying attention

[past nova]

Can't wait for the learn guide

[haughty quiver]

fun fun fun @eager sapphire !

[fallow fractal]

Eight shows, eight fingers. For july: the toes.

I've had my crickit in my posession for about three hours since UPS delivered it today at noon. ;)

[haughty quiver]

right on, have fun w it @fallow fractal !

[fallow fractal]

Hi there, new joiner

[waxen thistle]

welcome @fallow fractal !

[haughty quiver]

hi @fallow fractal

[fallow fractal]

crickit mechanical survey (incomplete)

I've been told this is a welcoming community

[waxen thistle]

@fallow fractal What's that?

[fallow fractal]

Not sure what that question could be asking.

[waxen thistle]

the txt file

[haughty quiver]

circus music playing on the bot was from freesound.org @inner spade

[fallow fractal]

it's what I could gather from physical inspection of the crickit

in lieu of a schematic and a mechanical (eagle CAD)

[waxen thistle]

ah gotcha

[fallow fractal]

If I write it after I read the formal one I'll miss something.

[waxen thistle]

[it's just my security-mindset at work -- if someone posts a file randomly, I verify it's legit]

[fallow fractal]

Oh oh. It's an ascii plaintext file from a security POV.

[haughty quiver]

This is @inner spade 's excellent Learn Guide on String Car Racers https://learn.adafruit.com/basic-string-car-racer

[fallow fractal]

I'm thinking that notebook sized hard disk drives are 5V devices so any electro-mechanicals inside 'em have to be 5V or else it is using a booster circuit for 12V &c.

I think I have a broken one to dismantle. ;)

The older hard disks have very strong large rare earth magnets. I have about nine of them on my refrigerator door.

@fallow fractal yeah well 'welcome to the Internet' can only be said by one person to another only once in life. ;)
⁤      ⬆
EDIT (much much later in the day): something of a rant. Please ignore me. ;)
⁤⁤      ⬇

From there I accept that you're already here on the Internet and have been welcomed. ;)

To beguile the time, look like the time; bear welcome in your hand, your eye, your smile. Seem like the innocent flower but be the serpent, under't. --bill shakespeare

[inner spade]

Okay, @haughty quiver -- My wife just saw the unicycle Adabot. "Soo cute. Can you build one of those for me? <whine>" I'm thinking we wait until your learning guide comes out and help her build one. This project can now be officially categorized as a relationship builder. < cue Unchained Melody in the background > Thanks!

[fallow fractal]

So she does like the string car. You just need the right form factor.

[haughty quiver]

heck yes @inner spade that’s perfect!

[inner spade]

She's an artist. She's very supportive and tolerates my designs, but they are seldom "cute."

[fallow fractal]

https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Seesaw/releases

There's quite a few updates to the Crickit doco in the last week:
https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-crickit-creative-robotic-interactive-construction-kit/overview

[fallow fractal]

Crickit to Circuit Playground Express mounting is done with six brass double-female standoffs and twelve ea. #2 philips head screws.

They ship with the crickit.
Very easy to align. Got it first try.
A fingertip on the head of a screw is enough opposing force to keep it from rotating, when turning the screw on the opposite end of the standoff.

In this way only a #2 philips screwdriver, and your hands, are used -- no other tool (no 2nd philips screwdriver; no wrench on the flats of the brass standoff).

Jeweler's sized handle keeps you from over-tightening it (about a pencil's diameter for the screwdriver handle).

[odd stream]

You Americans and your Phillips head screws.

[fair pebble]

i like hex so much better

[fallow fractal]

Well at least now I know what we were Defending. ;)

When the space aliens invade, they're going to have a quick look around and appoint those who use the Phillips head screws as the leaders-in-captivity. ;)

[odd stream]

Hex, torx, robertson. The big problem IMO with philips is that it takes force to keep it seated if there's resistance.

[waxen thistle]

🔳 bits for the win 😃

[odd stream]

@waxen thistle Robertson, you mean?

[waxen thistle]

Mr. Robinson?

[odd stream]

@waxen thistle And I agree.

@waxen thistle Robertson is the square screw head.

[waxen thistle]

ahhh, see I learned something new today! 😃

[odd stream]

https://www.thomasnet.com/articles/hardware/robertson-screwdriver-history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._L._Robertson

[fallow fractal]

Here I was thinking all you needed when traveling was the local commercial mains power adaptor.
I can see that I also need some internationally-applicable hand tools.
Did you guys do anything to the tool known as 'the hammer'? ;)

[odd stream]

Interesting... Robertson hung out (and had his company) in Milton ON... not that far from where I'm living these days.

[fallow fractal]

I can't imagine figuring out how to produce screws from such thin stock.

(and at an affordable price).

I think that metallurgy must've seen improvements astonishing to the people who understand its history.

[odd stream]

As far as I know, hammers are hammers.

[waxen thistle]

All my problems look like a nail.

[fallow fractal]

Rumpole (tv) show: "Ah, let's try the Irish screwdriver" (then reaches for the hammer).

[waxen thistle]

PC Load Letter hammer.

ok, @odd stream --- now I'm going through wikipedia about the history of fasteners. See what you've made me do? 😃

[fallow fractal]

Hehe and you had such plans for this time of day, too. ;)

There is a book .. something like 'Machinery's Handbook' (as if 'Machinery' were the person's name!) we were issued in drafting school (college level adult education)

[waxen thistle]

This? http://new.industrialpress.com/machinery-s-handbook-30th-edition-toolbox.html

[fallow fractal]

Yeah that's probably it! Ours had a plain brown/black stippled cover; about 2-3 inches thick, and small form factor (6x8 inches perhaps)

[waxen thistle]

Looking into it 😃 What made it awesome?

[fallow fractal]

Um well a good breadth of subject matter -- I found the parts I used very interesting but only responsible for perhaps 3 dozen pages of quite a few more than that.

Very good drawings of all screw dimensions (and many other types of small parts/fasteners; threaded; keyed, keyed-on-shaft, and so forth).

For one thing you'll find out that such things do exist and are already manufactured (or used to be) somewhere. Weird stuff that only applies to specialty areas. Like I had no idea about whitworth until I happened to stumble on it in that book.

[waxen thistle]

I'll have to dig up a copy somewhere

[nice part about living near NYC -- tons of used bookstores, awesome libraries, etc]

[fallow fractal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth

Maybe British motorcycles used Whitworth (don't remember why it was interesting).

I purged paper books a long time ago so I doubt it's still in the remaining few crates of books I keep for archival. (Machinery's)

[waxen thistle]

I will admit, my iPad is my go-to for ebook references anymore

But, borrowing books from the library hurts the bank account a bit less than B&N.

[fallow fractal]

Well a friend of mine wrote a homily about adopting the Amazon Kindle in lieu of paper books, and (somewhat to my surprise) I saw his point.

I used to buy books like we buy parts from adafruit. ;)

[waxen thistle]

I would LOVE if Amazon updated their large-format kindle DX with a higher DPI and better processor.

It would make reference PDFs enjoyable.

[fallow fractal]

My Kindle DXG still holds a charge, but I never use it.

[waxen thistle]

I really enjoy my (semi-recent generation?) paperwhite. It changes the way I read novels

[fallow fractal]

It feels cold in the hands. It's weird.

[waxen thistle]

Well, nothing that a little fire can't fix.

[fallow fractal]

Well I hacked my Kindle Keyboard 3G to run a different ebook reading software than the Amazon software provided.

[waxen thistle]

breaks out the hot air rework machine.

[fallow fractal]

Hahah.

[waxen thistle]

Really? How'd that go, rooting your Kindle?

[fallow fractal]

So I have FBReader on the Kindle Keyboard 3G (has full qwerty button keyboard physically lower part of the chassis)

[waxen thistle]

I haven't tried it -- was there a high risk of bricking it?

[fallow fractal]

I guess it's rooted. Was quite a long time ago; I followed the current discussion on .. I'll think of the name of that forum..

[waxen thistle]

I have one or two of those ancient kindles still kicking around. Been debating ripping them apart to reuse as an eink screen.

[odd stream]

There are very few books I buy in hardcopy now. Pathfinder hardcovers are one, and collectables are the exceptions.

[fallow fractal]

I guess there's some risk of bricking. They had a lot of answers to inoperative Kindles; few involved opening the case, iirc.

[odd stream]

There's a set of Warcraft lore books I'd like in hardcover some day.

[fallow fractal]

I have had a shell on that same Kindle (works pretty good). Not sure it's still in there, somewhere. ;)

I know for sure I have two shell scripts in that Kindle; I run them all the time.

[waxen thistle]

For anything that I'll be looking at, studying for a long time -- i prefer printed. For casual reference, novels, etc -- i'll happily take the ebook version

[fallow fractal]

I just use Kindle for free-flowing text. I glance at the illustrations but don't really depend on them.

Younger people use handheld tech a lot more than I do (and I think this helps me to understand the disparity between us). Having a full-sized keyboard and display completely changes the experience for me.

[waxen thistle]

I can't seem to compose more than 2-3 sentences on a dainty glass keyboard before I become fatigued at the whole situation

[fallow fractal]

Hahah yeah I use the google voice input and then apologize like mad.

Usually though I use the email interface of google voice to write a very rapid reply to a SMS received.

That method doesn't even expose my gmail address to the receiver.

[waxen thistle]

And here I see kids pecking away the unabridged works of the Bard himself on their mobiles.

And I go....How? I ain't even mad, I'm kinda jealous. I can't even come close 😃

[fallow fractal]

Well I did do some mobile writing on the city bus (a long time ago) and I seem to recall that I had to rely on my human memory, since the ability to monitor what I'd recently written was almost nil (as in what I wrote 30 seconds earlier, already scrolled off the screen).

[waxen thistle]

I used to like Google Voice a lot, but lately it has been really dropping the ball for me. Just unreliable. Granted, it's free.

Oh, that'd be the end of me. As I've gotten older, my short term memory has gone into the trash.

[fallow fractal]

Well I need to reread what I wrote -- maybe these users do not have that constraint to the same degree.
Maybe it gets them into mischief with their friends, for not remembering what they wrote that they really ought to have.

I look at their use of handheld tech as 'instant drama' as a class of users.

pot, kettle > black

[waxen thistle]

Yeah, I hear you there.

Guilty of it myself years ago.

[fallow fractal]

My oldest brother adds an exclamation! to everything he says on a handheld. Every message!

[waxen thistle]

Oh how about this? Adding unnecessary "ALL CAPS WORDS INSIDE QUOTATIONS" for things that aren't meant to be yelling or "SARCASTIC".

[fallow fractal]

Hehehe.

[waxen thistle]

hurts a little bit from just typing that.

[fallow fractal]

I'm not very sensitive to all caps utterances -- it's used a lot in historic tech I once employed. National Weather Service still uses it.

[waxen thistle]

I've gotten good at ignoring it with some of my older friends, who didn't necessarily grow up with tech.

[fallow fractal]

http://kamala.cod.edu/ny/latest.fxus61.KALY.html

[waxen thistle]

I know in legal-ese, it's common to use all caps so it doesn't denote formality or emphasis when it shouldn't be applied.

[fallow fractal]

My poor mother could not adjust to a touch screen and had no other computer exposure (at all) other than looking over other people's shoulders.

She tried the Amazon Fire (50 dollar promotion) and failed.

[waxen thistle]

So I get where they're coming from with all caps, but man....the typography side of me (I've had quite a bit of fun coding & testing OpenType support) hurts when I see all caps. It's just so hard to read without nice things like ligatures.

[fallow fractal]

The only thing she ever got to run by herself was my implementation of FBReader on the Raspberry pi. I still had to sit with her to get her started and keep her on track (to undo extra spacebar flogging where she'd jump forward six pages instead of one page) while reading an ebook on her giant tv screen.

[waxen thistle]

hahaha

But she made the attempt

[fallow fractal]

She never knew I was back-paging for her.

[waxen thistle]

I still calm my nerves when certain family members double click on a web link.

[fallow fractal]

I had it setup with dual controls. She got the wireless qwerty keyboard and I held onto the IR remote USB keyboard.

[waxen thistle]

Hmm, that reminds me, I need to finish an IR project -- need to get some old xbox 360 media remotes working with a RasPlex client.

That's been sitting collecting dust for too long

[fallow fractal]

Well you can probably capture the output of a given remote without knowledge of it otherwise, using a receiver and a target MCU.

Then just catalog the results.

[waxen thistle]

I think there are some pre-built packages for this specific use of it -- last I looked. I just need to get off my tookus and find an IR receiver

I got'em, just....which plastic tub did I stash them away in again?

[fallow fractal]

I bought one of those 99 cent parts in a recent adafruit order. It's an IR receiver and has some kind of internal bias towards the special modulation used for IR remotes.

[waxen thistle]

Mine might have come from an adabox--- if not, one of my old adafruit orders. I think.

Like I said, memory gets foggy after a while.

[fallow fractal]

I'm guessing the CPX has the same thing already soldered on.

[waxen thistle]

another reason why I love the CPX

I mean, this ain't lip service....it's just dang awesome to have all these IO, sensors, etc all on one very affordable board.

And it's a atsamd21 processor. That's no slouch.

[fallow fractal]

Oh I think every last person was floored who saw it when they put them up for purchase.

I'm only SAMD51 hungry because they said I could have one. I'm a SAMD21worshipper otherwise. ;)

[waxen thistle]

Well, don't get me wrong...I do like the Metro M4

[fallow fractal]

It's like when they have an attractive sibling, and you're not yet committed to the first one. ;)

[waxen thistle]

samd51 cpx? hmm. I'm sure it's probably in progress.

[fallow fractal]

Almost a drop-in replacement chip. Form factor of the circuit board (the phenolic) is a much longer term idea than the chip that gets soldered onto itt.

I think it'll take me a while before I get the M4 version of my project going to my satisfaction. Now there's crickit. It's a lot for a busy summer outdoors.

[waxen thistle]

The crickit...man, I haven't even gotten one yet and I'm gushing about it to my maker friends

a robotics platform that doesn't take your wallet for a ride....or pigeon-hole you into a system that's limiting?

[fallow fractal]

It's real nice. Feels solid. Good stencils/silcsceen.

It'll be my first profligate use of higher current devices (I stay away from back-EMF generators whenever I can)

[waxen thistle]

I remember getting a few motor shields for arduino back when radio shack was going through their first "crunch"

....hate to say, never used them. It was such a....hassle....getting everything together.

(but hey, for $5 -- why not?.....oh wait, that's my entire storage)

[fallow fractal]

When Parallax sold thru them I ignored them as I was all about Silabs 8051 chips.

[waxen thistle]

Why's that? [i recognize the name parallax, but never heard of silabs...]

[fallow fractal]

I really didn't know what Arduino was, nor what Raspberry Pi, was.

I just happened to run into someone who developed on that platform (Cygnal, later, Silabs).

So I had the ear of an insider in the industry.

[waxen thistle]

That certainly will do a lot for a person

[fallow fractal]

So I could ask any question I had, and I did ask (in an IRC like environment, too).

[waxen thistle]

Oh that's awesome....no pressure asynchronous

[fallow fractal]

Yeah. This guy was high up there, and multidisciplined. Like many of us, not well adjusted in some ways, socially. I enjoyed the friendship a lot.

[waxen thistle]

😃

But you slowly adopted the arduino platform....

And fruit pies.

[fallow fractal]

Well, one day I found a Forth like interpreter for the Feather M0, so I bought a Feather M0 because I knew it had a lot of RAM and flashROM.

That's the only reason I bought it -- because I had software I did not know how to port, to some other MCU.

Technically I think I deduced it could also run on Arduino M0 Pro because I think I bought that one, first. ;)

If I could only have one design (and not counting anything M4) I'd definitely go Feather M0 Express every time.

[waxen thistle]

I personally love the feather form factor for tinkering. The CPX is great for learning.

feathers are small enough, but flexible enough in terms of power, processor, etc

[fallow fractal]

I lost count but I think I have more than a dozen target boards from Adafruit now. Maybe 14 or so. No idea. Several are still stored in boxes. ;)

[waxen thistle]

When I started working a decent paying job (aka not in college anymore)....I figured time to invest in the hobbies I liked.

It's sad, I don't remember what exactly got me started...but my first order was a Sparkfun Inventors kit + weller soldering iron + brass tip cleaner.

Still have all 3 (sitting within arms reach too!)

[fallow fractal]

haha.

[waxen thistle]

Now, a project comes along...."oh I need 2x boards for this? eh, let's get 3. just in case I fry one"

[fallow fractal]

I'm more about 'just in case they are out of stock for six weeks'

[waxen thistle]

Because we all think back to that one time....when we blew something up and were under a time crunch....

oh goodness, you got that right too.

[fallow fractal]

Some very cool projects never got completed because of that six weeks latency.

[waxen thistle]

Which is kinda a good problem, there are so many people interested they can't keep up.

[fallow fractal]

It is and we will miss those days if they are ever past.

Some guy will come out with a teleportation device and all of a sudden the entire market for other doodads goes into the bin.

[waxen thistle]

There's a backpack manufacturer that I (used to love, now I kinda love?), which made limited runs of colors and accessories. Once they were gone, they're gone. No matter how much demand there was.

Vintage doodads and whatsits.

[fallow fractal]

Well regular people trying to hold regular jobs find they're changing jobs a lot more often (so they don't have the external 'flywheel effect'...

.. stability of a large employer, in their lives).

[waxen thistle]

But that limited run mentality bothered me. I don't respond well to FOMO (fear of missing out).....more like -shrug- oh well, I guess I won't get it!

[fallow fractal]

fads are just that.

Small manufacturers (cottage industries) isn't maybe the same risk it was years ago, since you are less likely to forego a stable position in a large firm (those positions are gone forever).

[waxen thistle]

I hear ya on that -- plus, on-demand small-batch manufacturing has gotten pretty amazing lately.

Fidget spinners. Remember them? Everyone and their uncle were buying and making them. Now? Can't even give them away. Fads man.

[fallow fractal]

Hehe.

Well they have such great markets to saturate. quickly.

It's probably the jazz to try to ride that trend while it lasts, for each thing they come up with.

[waxen thistle]

Musical chairs. Everyone wants a seat, and no one wants to be left standing.

[fallow fractal]

If you add one bad habit like excess coffee consumption .. it can lead to a lifestyle.

[waxen thistle]

Well, my bad habit is tossing probably too much money and time at a hobby that, in reality, could be cheaper served by off-the-shelf commercial products. But dang it, I enjoy it 😃

[fallow fractal]

I don't think it has anything to do with off the shelf. A friend of mine tries to throw that one at me, on a regular basis.

The point is to understand a lot more of it, as it wasn't just handed to you, complete.

Like building a clock from a kit of brass gears, instead of unwrapping a gift box with an assembled clock inside. Two totally different domains.

[waxen thistle]

My friend rags on me all the time about my home monitoring system -- I use several MotionEye RPi-powered units.

"You could spend about the same on a NEST!"

....yeah. I could. But I'd have virtually no control over it, and I'd be reliant on an outside server.

[fallow fractal]

Hahaha. I think mine-is-better is just a habit people fall into.

[waxen thistle]

Guilty.

Especially if I've gone through the trouble to build it? Absolutely guilty here.

[fallow fractal]

One of the things I learned from our computer club (circa 1989) was that even with all this in common, we almost never converged on a shared interest.

It's a freaking fornucopia of technological babylon at our feet. A borgashmord of excess variety and coolness.

[shell mason]

i missed the stream as it was earlier

[fallow fractal]

The thing that got four of us together was kayaking, nothing in computers, though we met in the computer club and continued as members. @shell mason Hi.

Because somebody had to have the equipment to go kayaking, and one of us, did. ;)

A very nice person who didn't care one whit about if you were going to break his toys or not. Just a real 'sharing' type person.

[waxen thistle]

@shell mason Yeah, John Park had a family commitment that had to advance the broadcast time by 2 hours. It was a good stream, no maker charades 😃

@fallow fractal That's hard to find, someone who doesn't mind if their toys get a bit scuffed

[fallow fractal]

Mr. C I got to leave -- forgot about the time! Thanks for a nice conversation. I appreciated it.

[shell mason]

I was driving home from Microsoft Flux

as it take 3hours drive to home

[waxen thistle]

Likewise @fallow fractal -- you have an enjoyable afternoon 😃

@shell mason oof, that's a beefy commute

[fallow fractal]

73. ::nis fades::

[shell mason]

I was in event hosted by OkapiTalk and Okapi is a animal but subject was Anxiety of Public speaking

nice workshop

multiple people from multiple countries

this weekend have "maailmankylä" translated as "world village"

so there was some from EU or ESA like the people who could need translation help so those people need to translate

[haughty quiver]

@odd stream I think I read somewhere once that Philips head were designed to eject the screwdriver when there's lots of torque to keep people from stripping screws or something. Explains whey they're so annoying! Kinda like the QWERTY layout's design slowing down typists to prevent collisions on mechanical typewriters. (If that story's actually true, too)

Also part of the reason I skewered my thumb on a small philips driver yesterday...

[paper peak]

@haughty quiver did you end up getting stitches or is it too late?

[haughty quiver]

I irrigated it really well, sterilized it, dried it, patched it up w gauze and tape and it seems to be in good shape.

it's got a very clear entry and exit, but it was shallow (oblique to my thumb pad, basically) so somehow I think I got really lucky.

I keep telling my wife how suspicious I am of how little it hurt!

[paper peak]

i am cringing but glad it sounds like it will be ok. another issue is that there are a lot of phillips-lookalike screw heads. This seems very helpful: http://www.instructables.com/id/When-a-Phillips-is-not-a-Phillips/ see steps 10 and 13 esp

[haughty quiver]

there it is! "The Phillips system was invented for use in assembling aluminum aircraft, with the object of preventing assemblers from tightening screws so tightly that the aluminum threads strip. The driver will cam out before that happens."

good grief, there's like 9 different cross shaped heads!

[odd stream]

@haughty quiver Typical. Technology designed to help people who don’t really know what they’re doing avoid messing up, and ends up frustrating those that do.

[muted mesa]

pray you never have to deal with Torq-Set. we just called them "offset". the downside in the applications i've experienced were the shallow recesses. impossible to remove without a special adapter that allowed constant downward pressure while backing it out. installation was only slightly better... otherwise, it's a camout cycle so you might as well just breakout the extractor set. those ACR Torq-Set2 seem like they would be a little more forgiving.

[waxen thistle]

...that sounds awful.

I mean, so awful that I don't even want to make a "screw" joke.

In my line of work, we have a product that is secured by literally "screwing a screw into a screw". It's a Torx-25 thumbscrew that has threading inside the torx head. For a retaining screw to be screwed into it.

The first time we missed that....well, cue the puns.

[river peak]

@waxen thistle I am sure you could make a whole thread of screw puns

[waxen thistle]

Look @river peak, we can go round and round all day with this.

[shell mason]

t screws

[fallow fractal]

When Stanley hears about this he'll pitch a fit.

[shell mason]

@haughty quiver you could make one like a chair with a rod from axel and then other adabot leg to otherside of the wheel so cycling feeling from it

[earnest cipher]

@haughty quiver just saw your post about the QWERTY keyboard layout. It was arraigned like that to prevent commonly used keys from being close together. If the keys were next to each other, they would cross paths and jam.

[fallow fractal]

I did Dvorak off and on for ten years but abandoned it when I became (very) ill, as I needed sharp QWERTY skills to leverage borrowed devices (such as those found in the home while visiting sick.

I like Dvorak better (slightly). Handy when you can't address the keyboard with both hands, in the correct ergo position.

It also kept people from asking to borrow my laptop for half an hour, the second time. My IBM laptop was easy to reconfigure (physical keycaps, by swapping them) to Dvorak.

It's a real mess when I have to dig out a stored small computer only to find out I didn't convert it over to the present system (QWERTY, or Dvorak, depending).

The hooks into Linux for a bias towards one or the other go pretty deep; it's not trival to switch over so that the entire system behaves in only one of them.

Quite easy to switch over temporarily, in a single login session.
However, it wasn't always easy to login (itself) if you were using the non-native keying system at the time. ;)

Takes me three to five weeks after switch-over to regain my speed in the alternate system; during the first nine days or so it feels very strange to key in the other system.

Some folks can switch during the same day or even the same session! I never could.

[haughty quiver]

@fallow fractal this is really interesting -- I've never known anyone who used Dvorak, let alone try it myself. I think this sounds like a fun summer project.

I have noticed that my brain pretty seamlessly switches to accommodate the different camera control schemes w mouse and keyboard shortcuts when I go between 3D applications that I've used for many years.

But that initial work of learning Dvorak will probably feel like murder :)

[timber kestrel]

Only issue I've ever seen with dvorak is having to remap every single game from wasd to <aoe

[haughty quiver]

I'll bet!

I have one of these that I'm not using regularly, maybe I'll switch the caps around for Dvorak

[timber kestrel]

reminds me of a typewriter

[waxen thistle]

Nice retro keyboard! 😃

[fallow fractal]

That's a great keyboard!

The traditional means in Linux to switch the keyboard layout was to construct two commands (can be shell scripts I'd think; don't remember) named asdf and aoeu.

On MacOSX, there's a simple pick list (iirc) on the top bar (upper left I think) used to switch between them.

Both of these methods affect only the login session,which I believe is accessed using the system-wide keyboard input scheme (usually QWERTY).

You may have a situation where you have to either plug in a QWERTY USB keyboard just to login -- or -- you may have to write down your login and password in the way needed to key it in using the Dvorak layout.

Simple example: if your password is ASDF, you would write down AOEU and type those on the Dvorak keyboard. Out the USB wire would still emit ASDF (because none of this reprograms any chip inside an USB keyboard).

Once logged in, you'd (somehow) activate the Dvorak layout, so that there is a 1:1 correspondence between how the keycaps are labeled (AOEU, aka Dvorak) and what is emitted out the USB plug of that keyboard.

[fallow fractal]

xmodmap for QWERTY

 $ xmodmap qwerty.xmodmap

Dvorak.

 $ xmodmap dvorak.xmodmap

If you only know QWERTY and you do the dvorak one, you may not be able to figure out how to get out of it again.

What I do (therefore) is load the command line history with the recovery one (QWERTY) first (which doesn't alter anything very much, as it's just assigning QWERTY layout mappings to X.org).

Then I do the Dvorak one, and am careful not to close the window that holds the command line history buffer that has the command that undoes the Dvorak mapping.

For the Linux Virtual Console, I use a different file.

Doesn't seem to work anymore, but I'm not sure. I got that one off one of my DSL or TinyCore Linux persistence files (mydata.tgz).

[fallow fractal]

@haughty quiver I was looking for your code for the robot that rides the tight-rope.
I had assumed a 1:1 correspondence between a written Guide and any given project that you show on the live program.

Is there any webbed resource related to any given show you've done for your Workshop series?
⁤     ▫ ▫ ▫
EDIT 'Learn Guide coming soon` annotated on your YouTube. D'Oh!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enue1hJHv_E

[haughty quiver]

Thanks for checking @fallow fractal The guide will be published imminently. The code's on GitHub if you want to have a look. https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Learning_System_Guides/tree/master/Tightrope_Unicycle_Bot

[fallow fractal]

Thanks @haughty quiver I wanted to use the code to understand how you had used the NeoPixel strand (then I read the Crickit guide again, and understood for the first time that the 5V level-shifted 3-terminal NPX port on Crickit is a passthru from CPX and isn't an i2c peripheral).

Simple demo program for Circuit Playground Express, bolted to Crickit (CPX variant).
Does NeoPixel (external strand 5V level-shifted) and one servo motor.

rename to main.py to use.

[fallow fractal]

https://learn.adafruit.com/tightrope-unicycle-bot    follow-up.

[solid wyvern]

adafruit is live at https://www.twitch.tv/adafruit

[opal wolf]

Two guys with two guides...

[rocky reef]

@here #help-with-3dprinting Live https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live Episode #188 – Crafting with Circuits

[tawdry spear]

Hi all!!

[rocky reef]

Time for ShopTalk on #3DHangouts https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live

[shell mason]

Cricket with Adabox as papercraft with cardboard material as make your own cricket from adabox

PathFinder @hard hollow

[bitter relic]

does anyone know if show and tell is happening tonight?

[river peak]

@bitter relic It happens every Wednesday evening, barring extreme circumstances

[bitter relic]

cool i just checked the google+ page. Trying to get things ready! going to open a few of the Sensor the Earth APIs tonight! I hope!

[earnest cipher]

@bitter relic Great!

[haughty quiver]

@fallow fractal ah, yes. Both audio and neopixels are passthroughs for A0 and A1 respectively.

[gusty wedge]

I won't be on the show. But I just wanted to let everyone know. I'm just building a LoRa gateway and two LoRa nodes (using TheThingsNetwork) with a bunch of Adafruit hardware...
The cool thing is...

.... It's going to "Isla del Coco" which is a national park from Costa Rica, kinda like a lesser-known Galapagos Island.

(Yeah ok, the one from Jurassic Park....)

[soft idol]

I have an Adafruit LED Backpack project to show if there is space tonight.

[bitter relic]

@gusty wedge My sensor is in Shenandoah National Park!

Right now we are in the mist of a huge thunderstorm. I hope the satellite internet holds out!

2 downfalls of high speed satnet. the ping, and thunderstorms

[lavish patrol]

Evening good people.

[soft idol]

@bitter relic so the CLOUD is not good to you

[bitter relic]

haha

not the kind that are above me now

its as thick as pea soup

[soft idol]

ick

[lavish patrol]

@bitter relic Is it raining peas?

[bitter relic]

its the size of

[soft idol]

Internet and storms. I've bean there, done that.

[lavish patrol]

Green hailstones?

Rainig beans?

[soft idol]

😃

[bitter relic]

"temperature": "21.5", "humidity": "99.9"

[earnest cipher]

@soft idol Still space!

[soft idol]

WHEEEEE

[earnest cipher]

post a message nwo

[soft idol]

?

what do i do?

[bitter relic]

I was going to broadcast from the park but its to nasty out

[earnest cipher]

https://plus.google.com/events/cc66tjtb6293hjc7ra07n3lcdno

[bitter relic]

maybe next show and tell

[lavish patrol]

A message or two.

[soft idol]

i guess i don't know how to join. 😦

[earnest cipher]

Click that link

[lavish patrol]

One minute to go, folks.

[earnest cipher]

than click say somthing

than hit the join link

I can MSG you join as well

https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/n7sd6tljrbgtljnc62ugies7tqe

[soft idol]

Thank you!

[waxen thistle]

Good evening all you wonderful people!

[clear matrix]

Hello, everyone!

[earnest cipher]

Hey!

[lavish patrol]

Hey @waxen thistle @clear matrix

[open girder]

@here SHOW AND TELL is LIVE NOW #show-and-tell - https://youtu.be/q3QH9htYY7w

[river peak]

Chipboard vs Cardboard. Who will win?

[clear matrix]

It's on!

[dire bane]

MDF!

[fallow fractal]

the hammer

[river peak]

Also, @soft idol if you're not in, there's still plenty of space.

[lavish patrol]

@river peak They're virtually the same thing.

[earnest cipher]

@dire bane Plenty of MDF with me

[soft idol]

I made it! That's me in the blue shirt

thanks for the help!

you all are awesome

[dire bane]

which one can you use with a laser cutter?

[clear matrix]

Great @soft idol 😃

[river peak]

@dire bane LASERS.

[lavish patrol]

That looks cool

[earnest cipher]

@dire bane any of them

[dire bane]

@earnest cipher I'm a big MDF fan

[river peak]

I want to get a laser cutter. But... they're not cheap.

[earnest cipher]

I have a glowforge

[waxen thistle]

@river peak And my landlord has an issue with all the off-gassing. Well, i kinda do, he just dislikes tenants that aren't among the breathing.

[river peak]

BUT LASERS!

[lavish patrol]

@earnest cipher Any good?

[onyx arrow]

Update on my Eye of Agamotto project. Draft eye done and basic circuit as well. Gesture sensor to trigger a light and servo

[earnest cipher]

Yes it is so good for beginners

[river peak]

Considering that's all cardboard, I doubt that's a water wheel

[earnest cipher]

@waxen thistle you will have lasers

[clear matrix]

@river peak It could be for a few minutes.

[lavish patrol]

@earnest cipher I like the idea of laser cutters over 3D printers.

[river peak]

@earnest cipher Just Desserts? Is that where Batman goes after dinner?

That's what a pirate likes. A Q-ARRRRR codes.

[lavish patrol]

@river peak At Pimoroni. 🤔

[spring heath]

Laser etched tattoos

[river peak]

Laser Etched Lasers

[lavish patrol]

@spring heath Ouch.

[earnest cipher]

https://www.techniack.com/laze-it

for custom lase things!

[spring heath]

Laser haircuts

[waxen thistle]

My head and beard are both terrified for different reasons.

[river peak]

Laser Haircuts would be... interesting

[haughty quiver]

that was a great minimal game demo!

[river peak]

They would smell so bad though

[haughty quiver]

great job @soft idol

[spring heath]

Simone had her brain surgery today, we all hope she's ok

[earnest cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E9TILf-b0w

Same Mile

Mike

[spring heath]

😃

but the smell of burning hair

😦

[river peak]

Eurgh, so bad.

[earnest cipher]

yea

[spring heath]

Limor and Phil love Watson

not

[earnest cipher]

This is the quick video I made about the Adafruit laser cut logo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrtT8Ptz4ZM

[waxen thistle]

Bless you @rapid hornet

[rapid hornet]

thanks 😃

[earnest cipher]

timestamp?

[river peak]

@bitter relic USE ALL THE SERVICES!

[bitter relic]

https://bit.ly/2JeYd92

https://bit.ly/2IVc010

[river peak]

Oooh, I love seeing the progress of stuff like this.

My biggest worry about this compost bin is the lid.

[rapid hornet]

yeah, I was picturing it all spill out

[fallow fractal]

When there's an accident do you say .. awwww .. compost!

[earnest cipher]

Gearing!

[river peak]

Motor would be nice, but... Realistically, you don't NEED a motor.

[haughty quiver]

back to waterwheel concept!

[clear matrix]

@haughty quiver It'll work at least a few times 😄

[river peak]

@rapid hornet That game boy looks different than when I last saw it...

[lavish patrol]

@river peak Wind powered?

[river peak]

@lavish patrol Hand powered is fine with that setup.

[earnest cipher]

issiac https://www.tidyplanet.co.uk/our-products/the-rocket/

[shell mason]

so powerful and so awesome right guys

[clear matrix]

CPU blob means never getting it out.

[lavish patrol]

Probably no solvent will dissolve it.

[river peak]

@clear matrix I've seen someone strip the epoxy off and take super-high-def images and get a lot of information off of it

[haughty quiver]

@rapid hornet what's the name of the cheap retro one?

[river peak]

Was fascinating, in its destructiveness

[earnest cipher]

lasers will get it off

[clear matrix]

@earnest cipher Usually it damages the chip regardless of how you remove it.

[earnest cipher]

Yeah but lasers at least make it fun

[clear matrix]

You can get it off... but you won't use it again 😄

[lavish patrol]

@clear matrix Yep.

[clear matrix]

Thanks everyone! Great projects!

[spring heath]

interesting reverse emulation article I did on the blog earlier this week

like scott's project but on NES

[earnest cipher]

@dusk tiger https://www.tidyplanet.co.uk/our-products/the-rocket/

[bitter relic]

@earnest cipher I was thinking of getting a glowforge. how do you like it?

[earnest cipher]

@bitter relic PM?

[rapid hornet]

@haughty quiver Retro Mini FC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7XI4TwnUSU

@spring heath this is similar too: https://hackaday.com/2014/12/30/game-boy-cartridge-emulator-uses-stm32/

very helpful discussion from them

[clear matrix]

And it went from sunny to torrential downpour pretty much instantly.

[river peak]

Like a switch!

[clear matrix]

Did you flip it? Oi. Rude. 😉

[rapid hornet]

@haughty quiver the retro mini fc really needs a new brain to be useful 😃

[dusk tiger]

@earnest cipher that is sweet

[earnest cipher]

look at thier design. our school has one so I can get some more technical photos if you want.

[dusk tiger]

which model do they have?

[open girder]

@here 10% off all items in stock code is PURPLEROBOT expires 5/30/18 @ 11:59pm ET #askanengineer https://youtu.be/caRTMI0QCdU & http://www.adafruit.com

[lavish patrol]

It's a pity they are $$$ 🤔

[fallow fractal]

what happed to ask and engineer?

[haughty quiver]

@rapid hornet one of my favorite designs is the Gameboy SP -- once you work out your cartridge I'll get one to mess with!

[rapid hornet]

thats one I don't have. I have an original GBA but its pretty rough

[haughty quiver]

i remember helping my brother in law with a backlight mod for GBA

[junior hill]

idk what happened but the livestream timed out and suddenly I was sent to some flat earth evidence videos 🤔

[fallow fractal]

weird when show and tell ended, AAE did not start and its not showing as live on youtube, had to come to discord to get the link.

[river peak]

@fallow fractal As Shown and Tell is from Google HAngounts

[fallow fractal]

@fallow fractal just www.youtube.com/adafruit/live or similar

[river peak]

They have different links

[fallow fractal]

yea youtube is working now but had to come here for the link

[river peak]

That's because one won't show the other.

[rapid hornet]

ordered a digital discovery today to be able to analyze lots of channels too

[waxen thistle]

These aren't the CircuitPlayground Expresses you are looking for -waves hand-.

[river peak]

You have to go to a different page for AAE.

[open girder]

10% off all items in stock code is PURPLEROBOT expires 5/30/18 @ 11:59pm ET #askanengineer http://www.adafruit.com @open girder

[clear matrix]

KattniRobot!

[open girder]

@fallow fractal https://youtu.be/caRTMI0QCdU

[waxen thistle]

Also http://www.twitch.tv/adafruit

[river peak]

@clear matrix Wait, are you a robot?

[clear matrix]

@river peak Of course not.

[fallow fractal]

yea my pont was AAE was not showing up as a live feed on youtube even though I am watching it there now 😃

[waxen thistle]

But that's what ALL the sentient robots would say, @clear matrix

[clear matrix]

No we wouldn't.

[waxen thistle]

ah HA!

[river peak]

@earnest cipher What's the power of the laser in a Glowforge?

[earnest cipher]

45 W in mine

[fallow fractal]

I usually challenge the telephone robo puppets with "Quick! What's 22 divided by 7?"
I have yet to hear an answer related to that question, even a clarifying question in response to it.

[lavish patrol]

@clear matrix 🤖

[waxen thistle]

@earnest cipher One more Glowforge question -- do you ever have concerns about the connectivity requirement for the device? Especially for the long term...

[fallow fractal]

I wish live youtube had live closed captions, that machine hum is driving my misophonia wild

[fallen rivet]

Used for sensing the Earth? Phhhhtttt, the earth isn't there.

[river peak]

@earnest cipher 45W!? That's.... a lot.

[earnest cipher]

@waxen thistle I hope that it continues to work but I also hope that it lets me jump in and get a epilog or bigger

@river peak they provide LSO training

[fallow fractal]

I like the home made macro sized wheel, @haughty quiver -- awesome scale-up using cardboard.

[tight spade]

very cool @haughty quiver

[dire bane]

sometimes youtube has live closed captions but with a delay

[haughty quiver]

thanks! @fallow fractal and @tight spade I'll show how to build that big wheel tomorrow among other things

[waxen thistle]

@earnest cipher Have they hinted at contingency plans in case they don't succeed as a company? Or will the GF turn into a paperweight?

[lavish patrol]

I think live views are delayed anyway.

25 seconds seems to be the norm.

[earnest cipher]

@waxen thistle at the moment they have tossed around the ideas of refunding a purchace if they go under

[solid wyvern]

adafruit is live at https://www.twitch.tv/adafruit

[waxen thistle]

A group of Crickets is called an Orchestra.

[dire bane]

yeah but what I'm saying is that it seems youtube has just introduced closed captioning for live streams but with the captions delayed compared to the audio, like 5 seconds or so

[river peak]

So I just saw a... super minor typo that makes a significant difference. 200mW laser, except it was labeled as 200MW. So, a difference of 0.200W vs 200000000W

[tight spade]

Just starting with Python using pyGame on the Raspberry pi. so far very fun code

[dire bane]

maybe it's in beta

[earnest cipher]

oh jesus

[ionic goblet]

Usually teaching free computer classes right now, no class tonight=sneaking Ask an Engineer at my cubicle. 😃

[lavish patrol]

@earnest cipher You OK?

[river peak]

@earnest cipher Yeah, substituting M for m is an EASY mistake, but it makes a... slight difference

[dire bane]

what a great toy to give to grandkids to annoy their parents! XD

[earnest cipher]

Seams like something I would do

[lavish patrol]

Copyright alert! Copyright alert!

[fallow fractal]

zIKR!

[tight spade]

less than 30 seconds should be fine.

[lavish patrol]

I love this one. Logan's Run is one of my favorite movies.

[earnest cipher]

Spend all week debugging code on my website (Now GDPR complient 😄) and was stuck on why It would not work. Needed a lowercase letter where I had a capital letter in a 500 line file

[dire bane]

it takes like 20 seconds for an automatic content ID

[river peak]

Many guides

[open girder]

the copyright claim would be for The Byrds

[lavish patrol]

Does anyone else use the Discord app? Or just access it from the website?

[dire bane]

app

[waxen thistle]

I use the desktop app

[tight spade]

If you ever go to Forth Worth check out the Water Gardens. you might notice something from Logan's Run.

[river peak]

@lavish patrol I use the desktop app and the Android app

[earnest cipher]

App

[open girder]

i may have gone to forth worth just for that in the past

[eager sapphire]

Ipad app @lavish patrol

[lavish patrol]

I'm using the Linux app.

[tight spade]

@open girder that's the only reason to go to Forth Worth LOL

[lavish patrol]

@tight spade Checked it out on Google Earth.

[spring heath]

Stumble bot!

I still kill plants

[clear matrix]

@lavish patrol I use the app. I've never used the web interface.

[tight spade]

@lavish patrol It's a really cool place.

[waxen thistle]

@spring heath Consider getting a Sansevieria trifasciata (mother in law's tongue, snake plant, etc). They're very hardy, and they also are recognized by NASA for being excellent air purifiers.

[earnest cipher]

@open girder we cant hear you

[fallow fractal]

nothing like RF for your toes in the morning

[river peak]

Mmmm RFToes

[slow flint]

loud

[fallow fractal]

stay crispy even in milk

[dire bane]

I can't imagine many would like to publish their weight to the web... 😮

[lavish patrol]

80kg. IDK what that is in pounds, or stone.

[dire bane]

1Kg = 2.2lbs

[tight spade]

I see @hard hollow 's hands

lol

[fallow fractal]

stone is 6.35 kilos

[waxen thistle]

Cardboard Biscuit! Or in other words, store-bought cookies.

[lavish patrol]

Slightly overweight. 🤔

[fallow fractal]

love the upcycle content imo

[slow flint]

so is "the rock"

[dire bane]

drap and drop wasn't intentional?

[lavish patrol]

Evening @vernal mulch

[dire bane]

lol - I thought it was some new thing the kids say these days

[open girder]

the meme starts here

[river peak]

@dire bane It could be.

[tight spade]

I saw this one on Instagram. man, can you say precision!!!

[fallow fractal]

hmm multiple cricut layers you could build up your own silicone molds and design enclosures without a 3d printer...

[lavish patrol]

@fallow fractal That sounds like a good idea.

[waxen thistle]

A sufficient quantity of 2D printing will resulting in 3D printing 😃

[lavish patrol]

Drip drap drop. 😀

[river peak]

IT's in their autocorrect now

[waxen thistle]

I hope the same works for 3D printing -> 4D printing. I really need need to address some of these temporal challenges.

[open girder]

for a meme to be successful we must repeat it

[spring heath]

Adabox!

[past nova]

Can't wait for the next.adabox

[slow flint]

cant die in usrsub

[clear matrix]

All the cool kids are drap and dropping now. Obviously.

[tight spade]

The 007 one was epic.

[ionic goblet]

void loop () { meme(); }

[fallow fractal]

that is when cavemen dumped their girlfriend, drag n drop

[lavish patrol]

@clear matrix Hip hop drip drop. 😁

[slow flint]

mommy got me a gift card from adafruit for my birthday tomorrow (im 48) shopping tonight

[dim knot]

Code.org Circuit Playground Individual Kit Pack https://www.adafruit.com/product/3795

Love To Code: Volume 1 Add-on Booklet Kit - Microsoft MakeCode Edition https://www.adafruit.com/product/3834

[waxen thistle]

Never too old to make, @slow flint 😃

Or too young!

[slow flint]

drag and drop, sorry i keep picturing drag queens on a runway to beastie boys.

get off my neopixel kids

[fallow fractal]

you can get crafting punches too from like Joann's and punch out copper foil in cool desings .

[tight spade]

"copper tape" like for stained glass? That mean the next project will be stained glass electronics?

[waxen thistle]

Those whippersnappers and their music-enabled circuit boards.

[clear matrix]

@tight spade Similar yes except the adhesive is conductive.

[slow flint]

in my day we had to blow our own tubes and wind our own transformers. and bang our own rocks

[dim knot]

DIN Rail RJ-45 To Terminal Block Adapter - Vertical Jack https://www.adafruit.com/product/3798

DIN Rail RJ-45 To Terminal Block Adapter - Right Angle Jack https://www.adafruit.com/product/3797

[dire bane]

wasn't Bunny talking about the chibi-clip a while ago?

[lavish patrol]

In my day, we had to make do with a roll of cardboard.

Oh, wait...

[slow flint]

in my day we had OG Legos, we made the shape of what we wanted, not the shape being molded already

[fallow fractal]

Need a dinrail feather doubler/trippler...

[slow flint]

...still have 90% of my legos .

[fallen rivet]

Q: How about just a regular-old RJ-45 breakout board?

[dim knot]

Purple Aluminum Chassis for TT Motors - 2WD https://www.adafruit.com/product/3796

[clear matrix]

Purple is the best color.

[waxen thistle]

Indeed!

[lavish patrol]

There were a hundred and thirty of us living in shoeboxes in 't middle of t'road...

[fallow fractal]

pimpmobile is half built for you

[river peak]

@clear matrix I think you're biased

[waxen thistle]

The color of royalty

[river peak]

Also, you'd do well in Baltimore.

[slow flint]

HAH, you had a shoebox

[frozen parrot]

What about selling the din rail mounts by themselves?

[open girder]

[slow flint]

we had the paper wrapper from that shoebox

[lavish patrol]

We were evicted from our hole in t' road.

[slow flint]

we dragged it out of the box, and dropped it on the ground

[fallow fractal]

or a din rail with those product 1116 pcb edge holder things that way you can din rail mount any pcb..

[slow flint]

andy, at least you were someplace where there were roads, we had to drag our shoebox paper across a swamp.

[lavish patrol]

@slow flint Luxury.

[dim knot]

DC Gearbox "TT" Motor to LEGO and Compatible Cross Axle https://www.adafruit.com/product/3810

[river peak]

OOoooh, LEGO motor possibility

[alpine nova]

omg i wish i had that when i started making my motorized lazy susan

[fallow fractal]

maybe some vasoline on it befor you put it on so you can get it off again 😃

[ionic goblet]

How do you tell your SO you need more LEGOs?

[fallow fractal]

jewlry works

jewelry*

[bitter relic]

ask for forgiveness

[fallen rivet]

see if you can get away with Lego jewelry

[alpine nova]

what if so is your bf

[dire bane]

smuggle them in, ask for forgiveness if you get caught

[fallen rivet]

@alpine nova then he probably wants Lego too

he may just not know it yet

[fallow fractal]

bf is easy kisses work

[alpine nova]

not as much as i would

true about kisses

[slow flint]

watchout prince's estate likes to flag vids

[alpine nova]

i am lucky - bf is very supportive of my creative efforts

[slow flint]

if not, new BF time.

[river peak]

Why does it have to be a cross axle? Can't it be a happy axle?

[ionic goblet]

Working on a TFT necklace build - maybe that will cover the cost of new LEGOs.

[slow flint]

slightly miffed axle

[tight spade]

What Adafruit VR!

cool

[earnest cipher]

YAY!

[tight spade]

Hope they are using Unity3D so it will work on Apple & Android.

[slow flint]

anyone have any news on new arduino's

[rapid hornet]

woo hooo!

[fallow fractal]

please make one with a full keyboard

[slow flint]

can it be a dyi kit?

[tight spade]

What's pi game zero?

[fallow fractal]

we really need a feather and pi zero full keyboard "wing"

[earnest cipher]

How do we send something to you?

Po box?

[river peak]

@earnest cipher Probably using the post office

Oh wow, that Crickit is almost perfect sized

[fiery coyote]

Is it possible to replace the raspberry pi model b gpio pins with female pins

[slow flint]

din rails on a music kit rail, thats about all the space i have on my workbench

[fallow fractal]

yes reccoment chipquick

[tight spade]

@fiery coyote the pi zero doesn't have anything

[slow flint]

female to female adapter

[fiery coyote]

Will circuit python have support for mp3

[slow flint]

or use the 40pin cables

[earnest cipher]

How do we write a guide for the learning system?

[river peak]

CircuitPython designed for audio? Truly a sound idea.

[fallen rivet]

You can use one of the VS1053 products to play music.

[rapid hornet]

@fiery coyote we want to eventually

[lavish patrol]

@river peak We should make some noise about it.

[tight spade]

just like that @fiery coyote

[slow flint]

you could, use the ada lipo charger, and a voltage regulator to keep input stable.

[loud anchor]

Are you guys accepting internships for summer?

[light crescent]

Is there any easy way to ball park the max stepper motor rpm possible using a particular processor (e.g. RPi, Trinket M0, Seesaw) ?

[cold elm]

You know , from now on when I hear Purple Rain I'm going to think purple robot ... purple robot ....

[fallen rivet]

Waiting for someone to come out with catnip filament before getting a 3D printer.

[slow flint]

i wants that new printer, has the new one come out yet.... (sends self a lmgtfy link)

[fallow fractal]

yay!

[cold elm]

RENEW!! RENEW!!

[dark needle]

Is there any way to use LED addressable to go with music not just sound trigger the light but program to go with music?

[earnest cipher]

Have fun!

[clear matrix]

@tight spade The bot isn't smart enough to deal with words in other words. Put a space in the word if you want to repost your question.

[waxen thistle]

Yay Indiana Jones quote!

[ruby ether]

There's a good article on Stepper Speed in Cicara Circuit Cellar magazine.

[clear matrix]

Thanks everyone!

[slow flint]

no, its the years...

[waxen thistle]

@open girder Thanks again for another wonderful evening of shows!

[cold elm]

Sing the Adafruit song!!

[slow flint]

youngsters

[open girder]

10% off all items in stock code is PURPLEROBOT expires 5/30/18 @ 11:59pm ET #askanengineer http://www.adafruit.com @open girder

[waxen thistle]

Woah, these are some sweet tunes!

[slow flint]

yep, looks like new prusa is out.

[tight spade]

@clear matrix it's all cool. maybe next time 😃

[cold elm]

I keep hoping one week they will sing the Adafruit song as the closing music bit.

[slow flint]

mix that with twiggy from pizzicato 5

[waxen thistle]

I was looking for Twiggy on soundcloud -- anyone find the link?

[fallow fractal]

buck rogers flashback

[cold elm]

Twiki ?

Or Dr Theopolis

[fallow fractal]

yea

Twiki

For some reason I always remembered it as twiggy, maybe its the Mandela effect.

[lavish patrol]

Twiggy is someone else.

[cold elm]

I had forgotten about it completely until someone made a remix song with twiki in it

wacky 80's Sci fi

[fallow fractal]

finna

butta

[bitter relic]

I just got a few pings about the radio i am using on the basestation for my sensors.

http://www.dvmega.auria.nl/

its a HAM Pi Hat

LoRa for the sensors on 433 then the basestation has the dvmega that is what hits the repeater.

with a homemade J-Pole antenna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-pole_antenna

right now the sensor is broadcasting from the center of Shenandoah National Park

and the repeater is about 8 miles out.

[eager sapphire]

@haughty quiver : Ready for you early, bro!

[haughty quiver]

right on!

testing chat station. check

[waxen thistle]

Chat systems are enabled. Thundercats are on the move, Thundercats are loose.

[eager sapphire]

Figured out something truly key about the Faraday Cave, as I call it...

It’s not that I have too much junk, it’s just that I have too little space.

[waxen thistle]

See, this is why you need to learn how to fold space.

[eager sapphire]

A/k/a still more shelving

[fallow fractal]

I keep promising myself to streamline photography of the (stocked, filled) insides of storage boxes.

This way instead of opening 30 boxes to find something, I look at 30 JPG's.

in theory. ;)

This is a variant on bar-coding everything.

[waxen thistle]

Tunes are live!

[haughty quiver]

sweet

[eager sapphire]

You are 5 by 9 here John

[haughty quiver]

right on, let's get this show rolling

[waxen thistle]

Free 🤑

[spring heath]

Looking good JP

[waxen thistle]

Cardboard mayhem

[river peak]

Wheely cool!

[waxen thistle]

You're on a roll, @river peak !

[river peak]

Stable? I don't see any horses.

[inner spade]

Cream-cycle wheel

[river peak]

@haughty quiver Might be able to 3D print a pulley groove sort of tire out of TPU or another flexible material.

[spring heath]

18 wheeler

[waxen thistle]

Audio is 👍

Tubular!

[river peak]

Cams and followers... Like us, following your stream.

[spring heath]

lots of followers, who's the cam?

[river peak]

If you want to super simplify things, the analog targeting computers for battleships were made out of a LOT of cams and followers, to a degree.

[inner spade]

Aren't we peering through the cam?

[river peak]

@inner spade So it a-peers

[waxen thistle]

But who watches the watchers?

[fallow fractal]

Cambridge is on the River Cam ("Cam Bridge")

[solid wyvern]

adafruit is live at https://www.twitch.tv/adafruit

[inner spade]

Pace is good. We're keeping up.

It's a schmorgesborg of maker fun

[spring heath]

Please don't cut off any digits

I'd cut a layer of mat I'm sure

[fallow fractal]

A complex cam shape is essentially a computer program like entity.

[eager sapphire]

I look away when it gets....scary

[inner spade]

I occasionally get some mechanical idea inspiration from this guy: https://www.youtube.com/user/thang010146/videos

[waxen thistle]

oooo, nice @inner spade

[inner spade]

I think you need a cardboard lathe for that.

[river peak]

As @fallow fractal mentioned, cams can be computers. This was effectively how the Mark 1 & Mark 1A - This video (1953, US Navy) shows how they worked (Including a spot specifically on camps!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1i-dnAH9Y4

[fallow fractal]

Looks like a brioche shipping container. ;)

I can't remember the last time I saw a hat box.

[shell mason]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cheezburger-snow-winter-Afw2tMIDyv8re

[fallow fractal]

holy tear-down, batman

looks like the game-ball (cylinder) of a yet-invented college dorm indoor sport/game.

rofl time honored

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gain.html

Jack LaLane-bot

If the orange drive wheel was mounted on a long arm, it could pivot on that arm, far from the driven wheel, and it'd ride on top of the large driven wheel and adjust to lumps in the driven wheel due by leveraging the force of gravity (which is holding the drive wheel against the driven wheel).
Maybe. ;)

I just described your toothpick pivot, I think. ;)

[inner spade]

Nicely done, @haughty quiver .

[waxen thistle]

@haughty quiver Thanks again for another awesome show!

We can see and hear you

ouch, ears.

[ashen hound]

What are some things that I could build using a cam shaft mechanism?

[waxen thistle]

👂

[ashen hound]

I can only think of an IC mockup

[fallow fractal]

AUTOMATON

[ashen hound]

IC engines!

[inner spade]

A cardboard pick-n-place machine.

[eager sapphire]

Another fun one thanks @haughty quiver

[haughty quiver]

thanks very much for coming out!

[fallow fractal]

Cam shaft connects multiple cams with multiple 'programs' (one per cam) which precisely aligns the timing of events to a fixed reference and allows you to slow the process down or speed it up without disturbing the relative timing intervals defined in the cams' geometry.

[waxen thistle]

I've been lucky to catch you live the last few weeks, normally work isn't this kind.

Now you need to make an escape room -- made entirely of cardboard.

[haughty quiver]

my shop has nearly turned into an escape room made of cardboard...

[waxen thistle]

I think OSHA has a different name for that...

😉

[haughty quiver]

@winged trail !! is it you?!

Hi!

[winged trail]

Had lunch with JPWL today. Satisfying

[fallow fractal]

Shooting a projectile between the propeller blade rotations in a WWI biplane maybe involved a cam or a timing belt.

(curse you Red Baron type event)

[winged trail]

Hey JEP!

[eager sapphire]

There was a bizarre movie about a giant cardboard fort / escape room

Truly bizarre

(& lethal)

[waxen thistle]

Cardboard Room of Doom: Death by a thousand paper cuts

[clear matrix]

Cardboard cuts are awful

[waxen thistle]

Oh goodness they are, second only to glass splinters from fiber optic cabling.

[fallow fractal]

A friend of mine told me a story of a co-worker who built a cardboard house (fort) on the shop floor where they worked, and would disappear inside it every morning and stay there most of the day.
Kind of a Lazlo Hollyfeld in the steam tunnel kind of thing going on, there.

[winged trail]

@haughty quiver We'll done, my friend

[waxen thistle]

[I've also gotten slivers from the hook part of cheaply made Velcro.]

[eager sapphire]

“Dave Made A Maze”

[winged trail]

Well done @haughty quiver

[eager sapphire]

...and “Real Genius”

[winged trail]

I need a bigger keyboard #BigFingersTypo

[haughty quiver]

I loved that movie @eager sapphire

[shell mason]

soon @haughty quiver is able to make crawler tracks from cardboard

[waxen thistle]

Sand Crawler? I mean, we have enough Droids and Robots to fill it to the brim.

Wootini.

[agile garden]

lol

[rocky reef]

@here #help-with-3dprinting Live in 5mins! https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live

[eager sapphire]

Getting signal

[rocky reef]

good morning folks!

[solid wyvern]

adafruit is live at https://www.twitch.tv/adafruit

[shell mason]

sparky the spark one

[rocky reef]

this week's video - Using Cutting Machines for Projects: https://learn.adafruit.com/cardboard-box-for-circuit-playground-express/

[shell mason]

blinka box

boxes

[rocky reef]

Today's coupon code GLUESTICK gets you 10% off your order! #help-with-3dprinting
https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live

[pearl shoal]

@hard hollow and @rocky reef if you guys need any help with Inkscape & SVG, let me know. My day job is running LessonPix and we've done all 36,000 symbols in Inkscape

[rocky reef]

@pearl shoal oh im sure pt would love an inkscape 101 tut for learn if you are up for it

@here Live cutting Sparky! https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live

[pearl shoal]

Sure, Inkscape's probably our #1 tool here

Also, you should alternate corners to keep the mat sticky

[shell mason]

I wish it can be build like automated fashion

one end is the feeder and other it push out the mat after finished the cut

[pearl shoal]

ACK! No no no... Inkscape does a fantastic job of importing bitmaps

just need to know the settings

Big benefit of Inkscape (other than cost) is that SVG is its native format.

[rocky reef]

thanks for hanging out folks!

[earnest cipher]

Anyone coming to S&T?

https://plus.google.com/events/cm1qlha393jj9r8lbaedodtp6jc

[lavish patrol]

Hello all.

[earnest cipher]

Hey andy

[lavish patrol]

I'm early for once. 🤔

[earnest cipher]

is my website laggy to you?

[lavish patrol]

No, I was confused. I'm usually late for live streams, but I usually get to this one on time.

[earnest cipher]

Nice

you got a project?

[river peak]

Oh man. I finished fixing my brother's website just in time for S&T

[earnest cipher]

link?

[lavish patrol]

Not at the moment. I've got a half built clock on hold, but I'm not working on it at the moment.

[river peak]

Thought I had backups when I went through cleaning stuff on the website. The database for his site (Going back to 2013!) was not among them. Guess what I deleted?

Webhosting had a backup, though. But I had to manually edit a number of SQL files to get them to upload, and then fiddle with the database and the wordpress files as well

[lavish patrol]

Backups... backups... very important. 😯

[waxen thistle]

Good evening all you wonderful people!

[open girder]

@here SHOW AND TELL is LIVE NOW #show-and-tell - https://youtu.be/72mDPIG5F2E

[lavish patrol]

And we're on!

[rapid hornet]

hi @waxen thistle !

[clear matrix]

Hello, everyone!

[lavish patrol]

Hi @clear matrix !

Hi @waxen thistle

[inner spade]

Hello

[lavish patrol]

Hello

[strange dawn]

[river peak]

If I had an hour or so beforehand, I may have been able to show the TV I finally have the power board to replace.

[lavish patrol]

Hi @vernal mulch

[earnest cipher]

make one cartage for all games

[inner spade]

Amazing @rapid hornet !

[rapid hornet]

thanks @inner spade !

@haughty quiver made the logo

[lavish patrol]

I want one of those cutting machines.

[waxen thistle]

Vinyl is final.
The vinyl frontier.

[river peak]

@hard hollow @rocky reef I have read up that you can use those cutting machines for really thin metal sheets, too.

@waxen thistle Truly, a vinyl is a sound idea.

[waxen thistle]

Do you feel like you're spinning in circles? Put on some vinyl, it'll keep you entertained.

[river peak]

Oh, wow. Look at those lights

[lavish patrol]

Woa! Cool.

[rapid hornet]

very cool!

[waxen thistle]

Those Metroids will see you coming a mile away.

[fallow fractal]

How does it handle battles?

[inner spade]

Very cool!

[river peak]

He's armed!

[lavish patrol]

LOL.

[fallow fractal]

Looks like parasites evolved him.

[river peak]

I want to build a 3D printer that can print out a chestpiece in one piece

[waxen thistle]

Arm Canon in D.

[river peak]

Techniack is techni-back

@earnest cipher I feel like you didn't picture the outcome

...Does that count as photobombing the livestream, with that popup?

[rapid hornet]

I think so 😃

[earnest cipher]

@river peak Make it stop!

[lavish patrol]

Nice work, @earnest cipher

[river peak]

@earnest cipher I can say from my experience today that... not having to deal with databases is so much nicer.

[earnest cipher]

https://www.wix.com/code/home

[clear matrix]

It's always clock issues!

[odd stream]

Old school serial was so clean. And robust.

[waxen thistle]

There's never enough time.

[river peak]

@clear matrix Yeah, clocks take a lot of time.

I need to work on PCBs again