#New Delve Boss Rewards - Varlamore TFD

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vocal nacelle
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or hell, have a set effect where if you're out of attack range, you blink to the enemy

distant summit
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We got to many melee weps as is. really just missing a good crush wep and the roster is set.

sweet comet
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we have it

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scythe

latent drift
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make olmlet equippable as a megarare salamander weapon

vocal nacelle
iron patio
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Make boots give more str bonus..

runic haven
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Nah the boots are good enough

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Next time they release new boots they can do a new even better melee boot, so you can choose between higher str or the tribrid boot

maiden crag
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Boots should be 7 str, not 6 so we can actually use oath helm 👍

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I mean shadow is getting 4 maxs, tbow 2-3 and meelee just a tiny +1 str bonus

runic haven
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No, boots should be 6 str, as thats already better than the only boots thats really good atm
Feel free to get a torva helm

last needle
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That's like saying new boots range str should be 1 because that's better than what we already have

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Prims being +5 is a joke of an upgrade over dboots

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+6 is honestly whatever

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I think everyone who is concerned about this has a torva helm anyways, they'd just like the see items have relevance

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+7 would enable 52scy max hit torva and 50scy full oath so there'd be places you'd want to make that decision, instead of just taking torva helm and oath body/legs for nearly everything

maiden crag
maiden crag
runic haven
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Nah man, the thing about these boots is not to power up melee, the boots thats already by far the best type of boot.
Its to make a tribrid boot, to save on inventory slots, whole also trying to alligb the power level of the 3 boots, melee shouldnt just keep being way better because "my outfit doesnt look good when its mixed pieces"

maiden crag
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You realise an extra str bonus foes nothing for any relevant wep yes?

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Just lets us use oath helm for scythe 50 max

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With plus 6 n torva you alrdy get 52 in cms so

near hollow
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in max gear its not relevant true but if you dont have max gear it'll be a max hit in some scenarios

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i agree it should be +7 though

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i'm assuming theyre probably saving that extra str bonus for a more melee focused upgrade in the future

runic haven
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The boots are not meant to buff your melee this patch, they are meant to save you up to 2 inventory slots and make the 2 bad boots better

near hollow
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the boots are already an overall significant upgrade, they're not struggling without +7

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it means the next melee upgrade can be only 1 str bonus over the previous item if they want and it'll be relevant

last needle
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While the boots are a significant upgrade already I think the concern is that the reward space will not be revisited until years down the line

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Which means that we have to wait for some other str bonus to enter the picture (gloves is the only contender atm)

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Which means until then (and it could be months, years, no one knows) well be wearing out mismatched gear

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Honestly the difference in str bonus from torva to oathplate is another issue that can also be addressed. Melee str bonus progression is just kinda bad

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And with oathplate in the picture now torvas entire selling point is relegated to hitting scy breakloints

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Melee gets +1, range gets +3 and mage gets +1%(3% in bis)

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I understand if they don't tune it, it just feels bad

runic haven
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its +6 +3 +2(6)
just looks like the others are creeping up to how good the melee boots were already

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for years there was litterally no sense in ever taking off prims if you used more than 1 style

last needle
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+6 is just +1 over prims

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I'm talking about raw upgrade value over the previous bis

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Prims have never been "good", it's just the dragon boots base that is good

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It's just boot reward space is honestly kinda garbage so you would camp prims anyways because at least +4 (from the dragon boots) is a guaranteed max

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Prims giving +1 over that is a max 25% of the time

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And let's not talk about pegs and eternals being literally useless (until the buffed eternals by giving it 1%)

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So much so that it was about as value to simply take off your boots in content

runic haven
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Yeh and as i said, this update wasnt meant to be an upgrade to melee, but rather being able to save inventory slots and bringing in the other boots closer to melee, preferebly they would have kept it +5 melee to make that point clearer, its just taking away future updates where they split them up again

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Im not sure why we shouldnt talk about pegs and eternals beusing useless, when thats whats actively is being changed

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This just isnt a melee update

last needle
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i was bringing them into the conversation to emphasize that boot rewards are bad

runic haven
last needle
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the mage and range offering is good

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the melee offering is 1/4 of a max hit over prims

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so for melee it's bad

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its not unreasonable to want +2 str bonus over prims

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dragon boots were released 12 years ago

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and these new boots give you a max, half of the time

runic haven
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Its not like im gonna cry if they do +7 when i get the boots. But it just feels like getting a finger and wanting an arm

last needle
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i think it's fair when the other boots are getting a far better deal ApuShrug

runic haven
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of course, they had a way worse deal beforehand, its to balance it out

blazing depot
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it's gonna be a century before the next str item comes out
realistically gloves should be the next item to get melee bis unless god forbid they make blessings give str bonus
would be based to powercreep an item that comes from a 95 slayer monster though

sweet comet
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You could fix it by giving oathplate a +1 str on set bonus too

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It's less about the boots and more about oath and how the boots could have been an avenue to fix oath helm

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It's fine if u want to say boots r not the place to fix it but jagex is not offering a solution at all

sharp pumice
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Cause the boots is just kicking the can down the road

sweet comet
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i tihnk its cleaner if oath is just 1 max less than torva instead of 1.5 tbh

sharp pumice
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Unfortunately goblin said he hates set bonuses

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So I doubt they do it. Instead we get to look like bozo the clown

sweet comet
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they havent tried doing a minor set bonus like that before though

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they always make the set bonus a major feature of the set

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instead of some tiny little benfit to using the fulls et

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minor set bonuses dont have the slayer helm issue

sharp pumice
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Ya the slayer helm kinda fucks it

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Altho they should just let it count for the set

sweet comet
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yeah obvious solution

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but they cnat seem to figure that out for inq

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instead removingt the set bonus b/c of helm

sharp pumice
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Also maybe unpopular but I think oathplate is fine for the strength of it

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It’s not like Nex is significantly harder to kill than Yama

sweet comet
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i would say yama is a bit too easy but also i died to the meteor like 8 times yesterday

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the dead clicks from that is so annoying

sharp pumice
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They just screwed up with the nex rates so now that oathplate is a reasonable grind it seems way too short in comparison

sweet comet
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the real issue is that yama is a solo boss

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if it required grouping that owuld cut down the influx of armor a lot by preventing social anxiety doomers from farming the boss

last needle
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so brave to say this out in public

wide fern
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Yeah don’t know when Jagex has further plans to upgrade melee… maybe late next year with raids 4 💀

vocal nacelle
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Melee is always lacking in terms of stats/accuracy compared to range/shadow erm

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More melee stats on boots is fine

autumn thistle
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Boots aren’t supposed to buff melee but they have an increase in accuracy and str- what?

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6 str does almost nothing, putting it to 7 would only benefit oath helm because it otherwise also doesn’t do anything

Meanwhile range is getting effectively a 0-slot 3 range str and acc increase (2-3 bow maxes, pipe max, venator max, etc)

And mage is getting more accuracy and effectively zero-slot damage (3-4 shadow maxes, including gauntlet)

Asking for 7 str on boots is a fraction of an upgrade as those two are

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And it literally just lets oath helm not be a 90% dead item

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But yeah, would be easier to just give oath a set effect that gives it effectively +1 str ezpz. 7 str on boots would only solve the problem until the next threshold, which would be in the next 11 str bonus (or equivalent with prayers)

vocal nacelle
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2 ranged str bonus is literally 0-3 max hits OR substantial dps increase on a 2t weapon

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melee is mostly 4t or high and typically lacks multipliers

vocal nacelle
sweet comet
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💀

vocal nacelle
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Fuck it, 3 sets. We make stab Torva, slash Torva, crush Torva

sweet comet
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can u imagine the ironman rage

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being told to do 3x the nex

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im in for that alone

unkempt tendon
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Let them be shards that slot into Torva to make it upgraded to the style you want
1 slot per piece
Can remove shards as needed to make your items customized to the content
So only 1 set of Torva needed, but also ~9 other drops to make 3 pieces of each combat style boost

sweet comet
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yeah this works its just a bit annoying

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similar to if you only 2 instead of 3 synapses

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i guess jagex could make some bank magic tho

wide fern
daring granite
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pepeclaws reminder we shouldve gotten more str on rancour

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cough cough

vocal nacelle
daring granite
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conservative
gestures widely to harm

distant summit
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Even though melee is already extremely busted everywhere 25% better at yama than magic, pretty much bis in every raid (if they didnt have defense caps, scythe would be bis at toa)

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These differences are very very pathetic and it mostly comes down to the armor is just not good. all the power is on gloves/neck/cape/ring

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vocal nacelle
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But yes, from a vacuum, melee is generally weak due to the reliance on defense reduction due to its lack of accuracy

sweet comet
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Scythe would be bis in ToA (if ToA was the opposite of toa) is a statement of all time

vocal nacelle
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It’s almost like what makes toa the way it is toa is bad

unkempt tendon
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Melee would be bis everywhere if you could reduce defense to 0 in every style and every NPC was 3x3 and you had infinite bgs specs

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Clearly melee is too strong

sweet comet
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also has to be in melee range

vocal nacelle
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Learned this the hard way in Leagues 4

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Donkey ass zuk

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AND most endgame content monsters have a melee attack

vocal nacelle
vocal nacelle
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And only 10% stronger than tbow in same ideal 250+ magic situations

last needle
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gestures widely to the harm of overpowered melee gear

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damn, rip discord

sweet comet
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its also kinda hard to make a boss where both melee and ranged are viable, but ranged is higher dps/higher skill than melee

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in that situation its always going to be melee that is harder to play, because of the range restrictions

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so u end up with a lot of places where melee is bis but harder to play, which sif ine

vocal nacelle
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Maiden is perfect example

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You just don’t need to add a melee attack and be able to reduce to 0

sweet comet
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you are missing the higher skill part

vocal nacelle
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Or if it’s a melee attack, make it small enough or inaccurate enough or dodgeable enough that it’s worth ranking slaps

vocal nacelle
sweet comet
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i can name a lot of bosses (nex, xarpus, yama, colo, etc) where two styles are viable, meles is the better style, and melee is harder to pull off

vocal nacelle
sweet comet
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but i dont think i can name a single boss where two styles are viable, range or mage is the better style than melee, and range/mage is harder than melee

vocal nacelle
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Yeah, by default range/mage will always be the easier and safer styles

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Simply because the bosses often don’t run you down

unkempt tendon
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They could make an anti-Verzik pretty easily tbh
Shoots shit at you far away, drags you closer if you step wrong
Melee range you can just circle it
Sorta like a Pudge chain attack from DotA would be sick as a boss mechanic

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Range could be better dps while needing to dodge more mechanics

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They just haven't cooked hard enough

sweet comet
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the issue is that iwth range you can still hug the boss, just slightly more annoying clicks

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i agreee they could do that tho

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sol is sort of that already with how nox halberd is more annoying

unkempt tendon
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Yeah

sweet comet
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i still think we need some melee rnage magic weapons too

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give me the magic scythe spinmadge

unkempt tendon
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Or maybe "if boss takes ranged damage, shoot chain at you, if hit she instantly performs a melee hit when close range"
There's definitely levers they could pull that would be super fun, but I think JMods have said before they let melee be best theoretical dps because it's usually the hardest mechanically to do

sweet comet
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yeah and fi think that results in pretty good design

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like tassili bitching about melee being bis on yama is pure nonsense

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because even tho melee is bis on yama, it completely ignores that maging him is basically afk

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the real reason ive seen irons say they melee yama is to save money not to save time

vocal nacelle
wide fern
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Where’s a Scorpion boss when you need one

unkempt tendon
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I thought Vardorvis was gonna have that mechanic tbh when I saw his whip arms

vocal nacelle
daring granite
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i think rax has some semblance of ranged being 'harder'

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emphasis on quotations

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imagine something like olm/vork acid in a smaller room; you're losing ticks/taking damage with range as you wouldn't be able to drag easily

latent drift
sharp pumice
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What do u guys think are the odds we get delve next month

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There’s no shot right

stray panther
last needle
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Bro what kinda copium are you on

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😭

vocal nacelle
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No lmao

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Fucking delay delve please

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We have too many updates going on

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Summer sweep, fletching minigame

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Slow their roll

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Store up updates as needed

stray panther
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So delaying them wouldn't really effect the quality

formal crater
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if we delay delve for a fletching update i stg

stray panther
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Delve and fletching are both just varlamore PT 3 though right?

formal crater
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yes

stray panther
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I just want the summer sweep up changes honestly

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Gimme Huey changes right now and I'll be happy

sharp pumice
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And look what happened

runic haven
sharp pumice
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During July

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I mean I could see it by end of the month I guess

runic haven
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i think theres a good chance

sharp pumice
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Just feel like we haven’t heard anything in forever

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And now they’re all focused on sweep up

vocal nacelle
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They all impact one another

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GIM wouldn’t impact Leagues and it did

runic haven
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varla p3 is before summer sweep up, in the roadmap

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I asked goblin if we would get some of the summer updates before varla p3, but he didnt know for sure yet

sharp pumice
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I would prefer to get summer sweep up first honestly

runic haven
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summer sweep up are not 1 update, so they will just drop on us over the course of summer (june/july/august)

sharp pumice
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It just feels really bad when they tease these great QOL changes and then don’t release it for months

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There’s basically no reason to do pnm or toa or dt2 or a bunch of bosses until the changes

vocal nacelle
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yeah, QoL is generally faster to release so it should be priority imo

runic haven
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yeh but we have already been teased a lot of the varla p3 stuff

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so its quite common we get "teased" a long time before the update aswell

sharp pumice
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The worst was when they said they’d buff scythe and it took months to get it

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Doing scythe content felt so worthless because you knew a buff was coming

vocal nacelle
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Wouldn’t say worthless

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But less efficient yes

runic haven
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priority when its different teams are probably just whenever something is ready, thats why they dont give us a specific timeline

last needle
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well technically if you want the juiced purples you should do toa now 😛

sharp pumice
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Ya but toa is going to be even more glue eater than it was before

runic haven
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the juiced fang and ring purples for sure

sharp pumice
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Legitimately 0 mechanics it’s gonna be awesome

last needle
sharp pumice
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The cox changes was actually the worst example I could think of

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When they teased the whole cox QOL changes

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It’s like there’s no reason to do cox because they’re about to make it 100x better

last needle
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how long was the blog until the update?

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for cox changes i mean

sharp pumice
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Well they had the original poll for the changes like 2 months before

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And then I think the blog with the final stuff they were doing was like 2 weeks

last needle
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ahh

sharp pumice
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But even for the 2 months you knew they were revamping the raid so it’s just like why do it

last needle
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yea it does disincentivize doign the content until the qol drops

sharp pumice
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I mean pnm there’s actually no reason to do it lol. They’re gonna make tablet less rare and the fight shorter

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Why would I kill a single pnm until then

last needle
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yea, and it retains same drop rate so you're just doing the boss at 80% kph

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summer sweep up getting bumped to coming soon would be abs huge though

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or even release things incrementally

sharp pumice
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Ya should be incremental

last needle
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cause you know the ele weakness stuff is going to take forever

wide fern
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Delve was aimed for mid July iirc

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Summer sweep up is towards the end of July

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Personally wouldn’t mind if it got switched

sharp pumice
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Ya I’m not in a rush to get delve

vocal nacelle
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Waiters win again

last needle
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coped yama and it missed and now we cope delve

sharp pumice
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I’m not even coping delve

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It’ll be fine I guess

last needle
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actually i had fun w yama, im just shitposting

sharp pumice
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Drop rates and scaling with the delve levels will be completely broken I guarantee

last needle
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i am a little concerned for their loot tuning

sharp pumice
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It’ll either never be worth to keep going delve level or it’ll be insane busted

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No inbetween

last needle
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yea

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depends on how hard it scales its either what you said

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or early delves will be completely a waste of time

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which i also cba

sharp pumice
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I think it’ll be like Colo

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Where when u get a reward offered you’ll never risk it

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It’s just impossible to tune correctly imo. Another reason I just think they need to do base drop rates and stop this whole scaling stuff cause it’s really been horribly balanced

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It’ll be like 200m an hour for anyone with half a brain and gnome monkey will say how great it is for the economy or something though

vocal nacelle
maiden crag
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He didnt rlly answer that part of my question

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N answered other half

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So

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Brace urself for august

sharp pumice
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August would be fine I need to make GP

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Buying Yama stuff on release wiped me out

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Bought horn for 100m

last needle
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gz buying the high value sote buster

vocal nacelle
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90m loss wiped you out? erm

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Nice brokenness

sharp pumice
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It’s ok though I copped Yama Rec for like 5 minutes with it

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Worth

sweet comet
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Unless it's ralos

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Just keep going mate

sharp pumice
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Yh ralos is what I’m talking about

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Everything else is dog

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And Colo is free

vocal nacelle
sweet comet
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Well obviously you won't risk big uniques at delve either

vocal nacelle
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Should be a nice surprise

sweet comet
sharp pumice
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which will be completely impossible to do

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Without breaking rates

sweet comet
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You risk the regular drops

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Not uniques

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Why would you risk uniques lol

sharp pumice
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How does it work in rs3?

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For more uniques I guess???

sweet comet
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RS3 doesn't use this system

sharp pumice
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I don’t know!!!

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I thought they had enrage

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Which is the same thing

sweet comet
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delve boss is nothing like rs3 enrage

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at all

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im not a rs3 player but 1 read of telos page tells me its not the same

last needle
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its bis!

sweet comet
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b/c telos you get to pick your enrage level

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or someth

sharp pumice
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Does delve get harder past level 8 or whatever the last level is?

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Or do u just repeat level 8

sweet comet
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i think rs3 enrage is actually like toa lol

last needle
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no you just repeat lvl 8 im pretty sure

sweet comet
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u just repeat level 8

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and im guessing drop rates do not go up

sharp pumice
sweet comet
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once u are at 8

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it sounds super shitty to me

sharp pumice
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Same

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Also solo only is boring

last needle
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yea

sharp pumice
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Rewards are sick though excited for that

sweet comet
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its ok u can do the engaging duo mechanics at Yama!

sharp pumice
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But 0 chance I take off work for this

sweet comet
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oh wait nvm its a solo boss lmao

sharp pumice
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Surely they actually put the fries in the bag for raids 4

last needle
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the only roles there are is who has aggro and the other person steps on a glyph

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(not to mention the one who has aggro can also step on the glpyh!)

sharp pumice
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Boss with flat drop rates, one difficulty level, and multiplayer mechanics

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That’s literally all we want. Why do we have to reinvent the wheel every release

last needle
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tob might actually be lightning in a bottle

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and they'll never pull of smth as sick again

sharp pumice
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I mean cox and inferno are masterpieces

last needle
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there's definitely hints of good stuff though

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yea i was gonna say 2017-2018

sharp pumice
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Yama p3 shows glimpses of what made tob great

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There are promising things there

last needle
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and stuff like sol parries and grapple i think are bangers

sharp pumice
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Basically cocomelon mage - decent eff fly melee - max eff no fly gives it a skill progression similar to tob

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As a standalone fight sol is incredible

last needle
sharp pumice
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Colo is just kinda meh cause the invo system sucks and the waves are too similar to inferno

last needle
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if colo was just static invo debuffs it would be so much better

sharp pumice
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If p1 and p2 had like 1 or 2 actual mechanics Yama would be an S tier boss

last needle
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at least you would know what to expect imo

sharp pumice
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Colo should just be myopia, blasphemy and solar flare every time

last needle
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bar wave spawns

sweet comet
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please give me doom and frailty over sf

sharp pumice
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Sf actually adds some mechanics

sweet comet
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no sf runs are so feet in the air

sharp pumice
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Ya it’s free

last needle
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yea colo invos are kinda whatever

sweet comet
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i think col invos r fine for moneys

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anoying for speeds

last needle
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the ones you always pick are free, theres a few like, mild inconvenience ones

sweet comet
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it would be nice if u could get a preset sset of invos for speeds at the cost of not getting rewards or stmh

last needle
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and then the rest are like aids

last needle
sweet comet
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the choosing thing would be better if the invos were balanced

last needle
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the invos does add like a layer of "variance" to the replayability but idk if people who farm colo would prefer it over not having it

sweet comet
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instead of like

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fuck you, take bees!

last needle
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i have 15kc so im by no means a colo farmer

last needle
sweet comet
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instead they took the aids invos and turned them into a CA lmao

near hollow
runic haven
maiden crag
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Same

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Which means its probably gona end up being pushed back to august

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But it was slated for july at runefest yea

frank ravine
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Is Delve boss still planned for July release?

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Seems kinda crazy when there's still Stackable clues + Summer sweepup coming soon too

runic haven
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according to the roadmap, summer sweep up was placed after varla p3
its also just different team who work on them, so dont really think it would speed up/slow down the other because another team is doing a different project

near hollow
formal crater
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but who knows rlly

autumn thistle
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Reminder that if they don’t want to mess with set effects and also want oath helm not to be a meme, all they need to do is put treads at +7 instead of +6 str

sweet comet
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the brokies made the price of oath helm skyrofcket

stray panther
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im surprised since people were making 600m and hour there

sweet comet
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helm is way up

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coz brokies are running oath helm+body + torva legs

stray panther
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think that the 600mil an hour method will get removed

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or just be a thing from now on

sweet comet
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nah

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bots will just start doing contract and the contract supply will run out

stray panther
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whats the next highest money maker?

autumn thistle
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7 on boots makes any place that is current TOO swap to OOO. And then when we get another 2 str or equivalent via potions or prayers, there will be about an equal market for TTT and OOO

last needle
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+1 on each torva piece for the exceptional juice

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Otherwise treads will just be bandaid until oath gets the max and torva gets put back into breakpoint territory

autumn thistle
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Way in for the +1 on each Torva piece

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Still just pushes the issue back, because it’ll be mix match central at different points but still

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+7 on boots for 50 oath scythe vs 51 Torva scythe
Glove upgrade for additional +2 str so you get 50 oath scythe vs 52 Torva and then you genuinely have a reason to own both sets uwu

vocal nacelle
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+1 per radiant piece

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(please)

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i'm tired of doing endgame grinds simply for cosmetics

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we've had ~2 pieces of endgame content dropping endgame rewards.... 8 years

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rest have been qol or cosmetics

last needle
vocal nacelle
last needle
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yea i was gonna say unless you did set bonus shenanigans

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but i forgor to type it out haha

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i'm not against it personally but i think it's a lil boring

autumn thistle
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Perfect world, we’d always be within breakpoints where you’d typically opt for one set or the other

Eg. 50 oath vs 52 scythe

Only kinda issue with that is between those breakpoints, you’re either mixing or basically always taking oath. Which some might not see as a problem I guess

sweet comet
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i think to really fix that you would want to just make scythe less break-pointy

autumn thistle
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Rly as long as the base max is a difference of 2 instead of 1 and sometimes 2, then you solve like 90% of the mix match cases

sweet comet
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hmm yeah i guess 51 and 53 plays the out the same way

latent drift
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TBH this sort of stuff is why I feel like the 10x hp/damage change they made a while ago back in RS3 really was a good idea

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As controversial as it was at the time

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It really did do a good job of fixing a lot of the weird damage breakpoint issues the game has

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And meant that smaller upgrades could still have a tangible impact on damage

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And, for example, every single strength level increased your max hit

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Just by a smaller bit than can be represented in the current damage

vocal nacelle
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It's the whole reason why skilling gear gives percentages

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and not more logs

autumn thistle
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Without the controversy around 10x numbers

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Ofc there’s some challenges with that approach too, but still. Having the stored dmg apply when it reaches 1 would at least prevent any possibility of stockpiling & you’d probably want to put a combat timer on it so that only stored damage values over the last x-time are cumulated

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Wouldn’t be particularly hard to implement either idt (not considering the mess that runescript seems to be), since they already do the rounding for any damage. Just store the rounded value in a variable and go from there

reef zinc
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i mean if we're being honest the 10x numbers thing was only a good thing and people were just nostalgic

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functionally its better than what we currently have in every way

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thats why they made the change lol

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its still completely readable its not like you're hitting for 247223

sweet comet
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i would rather a solution like if your max hit is 52.2

reef zinc
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and it solves things like str bonus not giving extra damage

sweet comet
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then roll a float random [1, 52.2] and round down

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its still more dps than rolling an int random [1, 52]

reef zinc
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idk though its the easiest fix in the world

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people are just weirdly attached to seeing a very specific number of digits on their screen

sweet comet
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10x would havew so much bitching

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id be opposed too tbh

reef zinc
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i cant really name a single good reason to not do it

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its really just people being fixated on seeing 20 instead of 200 but honestly

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nothing is really wrong with that or visually confusing or whatever

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its just people being attached because thats how it looked

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you could even give them a nostalgia toggle where it would just visually round the numbers that they were seeing

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as long as it made sure to round in the correct direction to make everything look like it was making sense it would fool pretty much anyone

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like if you hit a 215 on something that had 220 you would just round it on their screen to a 21 on 22

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then the next 005 to 1 so that it didn't look like npcs died out of nowhere

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i imagine most people though would just go with seeing the real numbers

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you can filter numbers in all kinds of ways though to visually make it look however someone would prefer and still actually get the benefits of not being hard locked to 2 digits and no decimal places

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well its mostly just no decimal places originally they did the 10x to avoid that

sweet comet
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sorry thats too rs3

rancid ruin
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So now ppl are asking to divide by 10

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🤣

reef zinc
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tbh i cant really even figure out why they would do it twice

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the first time sure the way they did the math means you cant gain in steps less than 1 and you would have dead bonuses doing nothing due to it

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rs3 did tons of stupid stuff though so maybe they just thought bigger numbers would look more exciting

sweet comet
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4 digits feels like the limit of being able to quickly read it

reef zinc
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its not but most players have already solved for that problem

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i only know because depending on the wow expansion you can start hitting for millions

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you just change the formatting

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so like 8m or 700k instead of 8,000,000 etc

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and everything stays readable

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osrs players already got to that with the exp drop plugin most of us are using now where it just straight up tells you what you hit roughly

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instead of the actual exp drop

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people also simplify by starting to display everything in percentages instead of the actual raw numbers

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i feel bad for rs3 people though

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they probably either get stuck with crazy looking numbers on their screen or have to wait for jagex to help them out by making it cleaner

autumn thistle
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Rs3 lookin kinda down bad with the last financial report

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OSRS propped subscription rev up about 5m and rs3 mtx dropped about 5m to counter

unkempt tendon
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They could just let max hits for strength scale like skilling reward points in gotr for example

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You have x% to hit above the max hit threshold

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If you're 20% of the way to a new max hit

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20% chance to roll a 51 instead of a 50 when you roll damage

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Or 20% chance that your damage roll includes the new max hit in it actually

rancid ruin
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not looking good brev

reef zinc
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yeah it sucks but i mean

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game sucks i guess its inevitable even if i feel bad for them

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unfortunate but kind of expected i guess

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im kinda waiting to see the last ditch efforts for rs3

autumn thistle
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Realistically, I’d imagine it’ll get the RSC treatment if trends continue over the next 4-5 years

reef zinc
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Yeah but before that jagex is just going to go for big insane changes that they would normally be way too scared to try

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Because they won't have anything to lose

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They might even be reckless enough to try to make it a decent game instead of an mtx hell simulation

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Only one way to actually get players back

latent drift
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keeps largely similar behavior as 10xing everything without changing the numbers people are used to very much

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would make it odd to display max hits though

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but maybe that's okay

sweet comet
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But the main problem it has is that without mtx, getting osrs players to try playing RS3 too gives them no money

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Since you basically get RS3 for free with osrs

latent drift
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the membership surveys a while ago that were so controversial did bring up the idea of splitting up membership between osrs and rs3

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and I don't think that's a good idea

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but they are aware of that issue, at least

random turret
sweet comet
random turret
# sweet comet Divine pots exist...

You’re not forced to use those
Also very high req for irons

You can also combine divine pots with remedies(?) to make the most of your str level
Many options available 😌

sweet comet
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Not considering divines is some real iron braining

random turret
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The use a remedy

sweet comet
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Remedy doesn't do shit?

random turret
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Refusing to use your options and then complaining that you have no options is interesting

sweet comet
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Using remedies lowers your dps

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Not hitting without max boosted stats is like DPS 101

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The only time what you're saying really makes sense is with tick downs in like cox

daring granite
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you can also just. take another divine pot

random turret
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You can keep doing what you’re already doing, you’ll probably lose more dps by writing this message than by sipping your remedy to extend your boost. peepognomeblush

sweet comet
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Nobody uses remedies to extend a boost

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Why would you do that than to sip another dose of divine

random turret
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You can do that too

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Feel free

sweet comet
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Yes and then since you are divined your stats won't get drained

unkempt tendon
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Which means the alternated max hits are still an issue for 95% of people who just sip another divine
I'm so confused what this part of the convo was about lmao

sweet comet
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Ya idk what he was cooking

vocal nacelle
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as soon as you drop to 117 or 111, you can lose 1-3 max hits

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no one who uses menaphite is using it because they want to save a divine dose

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It means they're going to be brewed down a lot and need to convenience of 15s stat restore

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(ie. sensory clouding, awakened vard, CM start, etc.)

sweet comet
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Technically I have seen people bring a menaphyte to tob to save money on scbs

autumn thistle
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Menaphite is only like… mildly good bc it can keep your range at 99 after maiden for the bloat corner fire copium / being fully stated for the range pot into nylo

Or if you’re not taking a heart because you want to free up space into nylo/sote, so you sip a dose after bloat to kill the timer on your heart boost

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All of those are extremely niche and nobody really does lmao

vocal nacelle
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I found some use during contract yama because you can brew down once every 15s and still cast demonbane

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so the flares don't nuke your face

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And that's only because the flares are guaranteed max hit and accuracy, which would see a dps loss if either or weren't present

daring granite
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you do NOT take enough damage for that 😭

formal crater
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wheres that release date at

latent drift
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TBH I wouldn't be surprised if it gets delayed

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Mod Ash mentioned earlier that finishing up Varlamore was a lot more work than they had expected

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Really hope that's not the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is

maiden crag
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obviously getting delayed at this point imo. probably will be august

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they announced yama what 5 weeks before release? if theyre aiming for july it'd have to be this week they announce a date i'd reckon

vocal nacelle
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Delay over disaster release please

unkempt tendon
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Please delay it

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Do summer sweep up stuff

vocal nacelle
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But also annoyed cuz I have to put off some grinds until they do it

young schooner
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Not doing prep for every kc of Duke

unkempt tendon
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Being able to left click Duke and not have to prep each kill and also he's gonna be a bit juiced HP wise and less defense

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Duke's gonna jump a few places in the "how ass to kill is this boss long term" contest

wide fern
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Excited for pnm

unkempt tendon
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Reducing kill times by 25% is pretty poggers

verbal edge
unkempt tendon
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Oh no

latent drift
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Hell yeah, it's not delayed

unkempt tendon
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Next week???

latent drift
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No

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It's not July

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It's still June

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That's 1 month and 1 week

unkempt tendon
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Wow I fully misread that as June 23rd

formal crater
visual oasis
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July 23rd

vocal nacelle
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you don’t reduce defense

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you just burning claw and scythe

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I got the old GM time on entry kill

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and new GM time repeatedly

vocal nacelle
# wide fern Excited for pnm

It’s still a bit silly how they increased unique rates by 30% but didn’t increase pet rate when they’ve said how pet hunters do add a lot of uniques to the game

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At least this change will shave off about 40-50 hours off little nightmares grind

wide fern
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Ya

autumn thistle
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7 on boots uwu

vocal nacelle
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It’s insane that ranged and mage are getting bigger upgrades than melee in 1 upgrade than melee in 2 whole releases despairge

latent drift
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Not really

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Considering that mage and range boots just absolutely suck

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And prior to the eternal boots getting 1% magic damage, were largely useless

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Melee boots don't need as big of an upgrade because they've already been worth using

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Even addy boots provide a more significant melee boost than pegasians do for ranged

wide fern
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Mage boots are fine now

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Range boots have been perma useless

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But mage is getting another buff on top of it already being a good switch

latent drift
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I mean mage boots are really only particularly fine with a shadow

wide fern
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Which is what’s odd

latent drift
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Which is really more the problem with the shadow than anything else

wide fern
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Which they haven’t mentioned rebalancing either

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So mage is getting strict buffs overall

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Range boots needed some love

vocal nacelle
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Ranged are getting +3 str, which is cracked coming from +0

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And given how well ranged scales with any stats

latent drift
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pegs should get +2

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frankly

vocal nacelle
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Yeah you’re getting pegged +2

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But yes

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Ranger boots and god dhdie +1, pegs 2, avernic 3

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And in that same train, Avernic should have 7 or more str bonus

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Melee is always getting shafted

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Feels like every mmo is just cursed to make melee useless cuz low or conditional damage + can’t be in wakanda like ranged/mage Sadge

latent drift
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this feels a bit dramatic

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I don't think melee not getting a further upgrade in quite literally the next update equates to melee getting shafted

vocal nacelle
# latent drift did we not literally just get oathplate

Oathplate is only “strong” relative to how weak Torva and melee gear is in general.

The damage for melee is way too conditional and melee is suffering from the pre-shadow syndrome where the style is only useful if Jagex allows it to be erm

It’s why people wanted Rancour to be stronger since we won’t get another release for the slot for years.

last needle
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everyone seems to think mage and range boots are bad

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but that prims are good

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when prims are +1 over dboots

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10years to powercreep prims by +1 str wws

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meanwhile range getting +3 str out the gate

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kinda crazy how they dropped oathplate

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and then looked at +1 to prims for treads and said fuck it, thats good enough

vocal nacelle
last needle
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yea definitely

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honestly im not opposed to powercreep

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but make it make sense

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like they could've juiced melee accuracy on the boots and reduced some oath accuracy

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and then oath by itself is less strong, and torva gets a bump with boot accuracy

last needle
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idk if i'll care enough to complain anymore

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just feels like shouting to the wind at this point

vocal nacelle
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when ranged didn't have ranged str on its armor, it made more sense

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but now it has defense, ranged str, and ranged accuracy

last needle
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the boots are LITERALLY prims accuracy bro

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wtf

vocal nacelle
last needle
vocal nacelle
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kind dumb considering leagues 4 proved melee was the weakest style

last needle
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yea

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hopefully it's addressed, or considered

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but im not holding out anymore :/

sharp pumice
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Surely delve is scy content right

autumn thistle
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Which is kinda nutso

autumn thistle
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Melee getting lateral movement, mage range getting vertical

formal crater
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since all spec weaps are kinda melee

vocal nacelle
formal crater
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yea but gotta do with ko potential

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idk it be that it be

latent drift
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Melee has a lot more interesting progression options going on than either of them

vocal nacelle
rancid ruin
vocal nacelle
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It was from the buff a while a go

rancid ruin
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nah the "pet hunters add a lot of uniques to the game"

vocal nacelle
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oh, that was an off mention from streams years ago

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ayiza iirc

rancid ruin
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im going out on a limb and say it's similar to how high invo toas add a lot of uniques to the game (7%)

wide fern