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wide prairie
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or duradel if you want ig

tidal owl
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sorry yeah other way around lol

wide prairie
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i think its more worth, but more tedious, to do 49-1 split

crystal valve
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@granite snow - the last 5 minutes or so have been smooth sailing for me. curious to see if it shook itself out for you too?

tidal owl
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thank u, never really boosted before. i dont wanna lose my streak so i'll do that instead

wide prairie
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yeah when youre point boosting you never lose your streak

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and its not like if you hit 100 you only get it once

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its every 100

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so 100, 200, etc

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you can point boost until you decide you dont need any more

pallid compass
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Is elite void with mage helm or bloodbark better for dps at maniacal monkeys?

wide prairie
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for bursting/barraging you want void because you just protect vs all the attacks anyway

fathom oar
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is there a way to get my old RS account back if i dont have access to my email? i used to play years ago and had and school email because that was only one i had at the time and its long gone.

wide prairie
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its unlikely probably, but you could contact jagex support to try and recover it. you need to provide them with a lot of information to prove you are the owner

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they have a process you go through

honest glade
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unless you played back in like

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2016 on osrs

dull otter
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Can some1 tell me if npc contact spell works for league with grimoire relic unlock without fremennik area?

fathom oar
honest glade
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yeah it'll be an rs3 acc atp

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not osrs

fathom oar
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as far as i can get it ill be happy

wide prairie
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its the same login, different stats

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your stats etc will be on rs3, the main game

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your username will be the same on osrs, but it starts from level 3 on tut island

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gl

fathom oar
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thanks guys

meager latch
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just got a new computer and am getting this message when i try to login to the jagex launcher

meager latch
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clicking the find possible solutions button returns this error -.-

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i didnt even know i was on a vpn server, literally just booted this pc up for the first time

onyx yacht
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Hay guys general mobile question I've been trying to figure out.
Im trying to do some afk combat stuff like vyrewatches but the moment my screen locks or I have to swap to another app it auto dcs me any idea how to set it up so it dosnt boot me out so I can afk

honest glade
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if you're not on a VPN, then your connection itself is blocked, dunno what to say, contact your ISP

meager latch
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how do i even check that?

honest glade
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at least i'd presume the most likely cause is IP being blocked

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same stuff happens when you use VPNs on blacklisted servers

meager latch
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game works on my other comp

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so weird

honest glade
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hmm

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is it a prebuilt? are there any preinstalled softwares on it?

meager latch
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cant even login through browser, same error

honest glade
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or a laptop*

meager latch
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its laptop

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hp omen

wide prairie
honest glade
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is your timezone in windows set to automatic?

meager latch
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it was off

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just turned it on

honest glade
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yeah, hit sync now

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in date & time

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and see if it works

meager latch
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actual legend

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<3

onyx yacht
wide prairie
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thats entirely different

honest glade
wide prairie
honest glade
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not only that, you have to click on the "Allow background usage" box (not the toggle slider, but the entire box) to open another hidden menu for some reason

wide prairie
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Had to find the setting

honest glade
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and then turn battery usage from "optimized" to unrestricted

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they love hiding menus within menus of things that aren't normally buttons

pallid compass
fathom oar
onyx yacht
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@honest glade @wide prairie ty you both legendary nerds I could kiss both of you

olive rose
blissful echo
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I would like to level up my crafting

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But I need help switching to lunar spellbook

onyx tangle
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You can switch it back at the lunar altar on the island or at someone's POH in W330

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Unless you're an ironman

blissful echo
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Where's the lunar altar exactly?

onyx tangle
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Then I think you gotta go to the altar

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It's on lunar isle. You take a boat from rellekka to pirates cove and then from there you take a boat to the island

blissful echo
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Yes I know but thanks

onyx tangle
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Oh the altar not the island

blissful echo
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I still need the seal of passage right

onyx tangle
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It's southern part of the island and yes you do unless you have the elite diaries done

heady moat
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is there a page on the wiki that lists all the little weird things that give str xp to avoid when making a pure?

blissful echo
split vortex
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anyone able to jump in a quick call and help me with my POH build

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wanna make sure I'm not messing up and wasting gp

onyx tangle
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Idk but you still need the seal

wide prairie
split vortex
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I did but I'm doing a variation of it and I'm not sure if I'm making a mistake

wide prairie
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you can move rooms whenever you want

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for free

split vortex
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the optimal builds aren't what I need or am looking for 100%

wide prairie
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well else could you possibly need

blissful echo
split vortex
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most houses had two gardens to the left/right of the exit portal

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I wasn't sure if that was absolutely necessary

wide prairie
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yes one for spirit tree one for fairy ring

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once you can combine those into one, then you turn one garden into an obelisk

split vortex
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I wanted to surround the exit portal with the 4 things I need the most

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so I built it just like this

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obelisk not included

wide prairie
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yeah thats basically perfect

split vortex
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I will eventually get the spirit tree combo one

wide prairie
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provided you have the level to combine spirit tree + fairy ring

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if you dont, i would absolutely have 2 gardens

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why do you want the chapel, if i may ask?

split vortex
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I eventually want to host

wide prairie
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well that wont be for a long time

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dont prioritize it at all

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optimize it first, worry about hosting later

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cause you need the level for the combined tree/ring anyway

split vortex
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I think my problem is that I want to set and forget

wide prairie
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yeah id try and shake that

split vortex
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like my patience is so low I want the perfect build off rip

wide prairie
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because like i said

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you can move rooms literally whenever you want

split vortex
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I have the funds to build

wide prairie
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you can build the chapel out in narnia and move it later

split vortex
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how does one move

wide prairie
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it doesnt remove anything inside

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in the side panel

vagrant basin
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chapel max is 400% right?

split vortex
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so if I build everything I'm capable of now, level + cash, I can move the rooms to other spots for now and then reorganize

wide prairie
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yes

split vortex
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so essentially have the build I have now

wide prairie
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at any time, as many times as you want, for free

split vortex
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just for now have two gardens

wide prairie
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for ease of use i would yeah

split vortex
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maybe move chapel and replace with garden

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do I build all 3 altar spaces

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wait can I also change how it's rotated?

wide prairie
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you can

split vortex
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okay cool

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I'll build everything I can now

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I don't see side panel to move rooms

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am I blind or dumb or both

wide prairie
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you go to the same thing where you turn on building mode

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you click the viewer i think it says

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and itll open an overlay

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there you move, rotate, etc the rooms

split vortex
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garden turns into obelisk?

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regular garden or special

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superior*

wide prairie
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superior like the other 2

split vortex
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okay I have 3 gardens

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I can remove one once I combine the other two correct?

wide prairie
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yes

split vortex
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okay

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I'm just gonna build every room I might ever need now

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and then go back to leveling

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aka blowing my entire cash stack

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I think I've got it all down. thanks! @wide prairie

wide prairie
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no worries gl

cold coral
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whats the best regions to unlock for water thorns build in leagues?

wild flint
wild flint
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morty for blood fury to heal on thorns proc + echo boots scale with the recoil DP

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and tank gear from barrows for higher max hit on thorns

cold coral
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Alright so should I go mort or tiranwnn first?

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after kand

wild flint
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i did kand > tiranwnn > mort personally

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did normal mage at first and the stronger mage gear helped a lot with that

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also occult neck from kandarin for more dmg dmg

cold coral
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so goal in tiranwnn is full crystal and echo scroll?

wild flint
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yeah

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crystal shield is nice too

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only -10 magic but good defensives

cold coral
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oh yeah crystal shield

wild flint
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zulrah to buff trident from kandarin/kraken

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for stuff you don't need the water healing on

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kraken trident into swamp trident shreds a lot of mobs

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Kandarin - Echo Items/Trident of the Seas/Occult Necklace/Zenyte Gear (ring of suffering)

**Tiranwnn **- Echo Item/ Crystal Armor/Trident of the Swamp

Morty - Blood Fury Neck/Barrows Tank Armor (maybe ToB stuff?)

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Echo boots (thorns), Avernic treads (magic dmg) from Doom/Colo are good too

cold coral
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❤️

wild flint
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Doom and Colo are faceroll when you have water/thorns set up

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I just stand in the middle and kill every wave in under a minute

cold coral
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Thank you so much, this is incredibly helpful

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first leagues so i was overwhelmed

wild flint
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100% prayer pen and water runes from powered staves is nice for an early build

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to give you healing and make farming zenytes and echo CG a lot easier

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Didn't go thorns til morty personally, but you can get all the main staff for both around 26-30 DP I wanna say

cold coral
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Do you have a screenshot by chance of the path to 100% pen? im only seeing three nodes by thorns area

wild flint
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I did something like that for slayer, zenytes, echo CG

rigid bronze
wild flint
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+1 DP into regen powered staffs for water healing if you need it

rigid bronze
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colo for echo boots

cold coral
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hell yeah im at 20 pacts so i can actually do that

wild flint
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can grab those 2 if you want it tobe more chill

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hp/prayer regen with your 1t sceptre

cold coral
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My offhand with trident should be just like a tome at first then switch to a shield with thorns?

wild flint
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but the pact higher up near the 3 prayer pen nodes gives your hp/prayer back when you take 0 dmg

wild flint
cold coral
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thank you

wild flint
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rocked mystics with an air staff for a good bit starting out

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so you could grab the 2t faster elemental staff as well (or wait til echo staff)

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stackable net traps and being able to dip up cactus patches was a recent poll that passed, right?

pearl bridge
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Anyone know if I can use a controller for ardy knights because foot pedal seems like it can be bannable?

severe hare
pearl bridge
severe hare
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I don’t know

dire zinc
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lads anyone elses game feels like the ms is higher than its showing? Its saying I got 25ms and its slow feels more like 80

plucky nova
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managed to find what appears to be a team of bots running zalcano is it bannable ot run it with them?

wheat spear
dire zinc
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I've been playing for years I know when something is off...

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I click somewhere and I dont go there for what feels like 2 ticks or so idk

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Im just asking if anyone is having similar problems so I can know if its just me

pure osprey
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question to all jagex mods if they can see,why cant players leave earyly from tears of guthix mini-game?

short prism
plucky nova
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this is maybe the 10th team i suspect of mostly being bots doing zalcano

onyx tangle
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Didnt wanna text and drive

plucky nova
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theres some dragons there, the ones outside the myth guild barrier

onyx tangle
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Pirates cove not Corsair cove

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It just has like skeletons and moss giants I think

plucky nova
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oh theres a boat from there to bunccaneers haven i think its called

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which is a great place

haughty helm
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Context being a mobile trigger to tap in a specific place (not OK)

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I'm sure foot pedal has been specifically confirmed before

pearl bridge
umbral cobalt
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Did death on the isles quest for leagues and now all my items are gone. Not in the bank or anything. Is that normal? Can’t remember from when I did the quest on main and just space bared through dialogue for leagues

grave inlet
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are vorkath's attacks like zulrah's? i have to keep 1 prayer active, i can't see the attack then pray?

midnight vortex
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yes

umbral cobalt
true swallow
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Hello all. I unfortunately had a double death at TOA.

I died last night, didn’t claim my items and logged out. I got on this morning, forgot about the items and died doing other content.

I obviously lost all my gear (350m), which sucks, but I can get over that. What I can’t is that I also lost my Inferno cape.

Based on all the research I have done, it looks like that shouldn’t have been taken away or that I should be able to reclaim it somewhere else.

Does anyone know the rules here?

midnight vortex
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what research have you done

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you lose everything including untradeables

true swallow
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That’s wild. Wiki and Reddit

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The Inferno cape cannot enter the ToA chest system

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The Inferno cape is an untradeable unlock item

  • It is never stored in ToA chest
  • It is always recoverable from your account
midnight vortex
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i dunno where that's from but wiki is pretty clear on the item retrieval service page

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"Dying in an activity with an Item Retrieval Service will let the player keep their three most valuable items (affected by skull and Protect Item) but not additional untradeable items"

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i don't think infernal cape or toa chest specifically work any different than the standard

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and if your cape isn't in your bank or at death...

true swallow
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What a stupid fucking mechanic.

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Like ok I guess I get the items. A fucking cape? Cmon

honest glade
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Do not leave your items in retrieval services under any circumstances unless you have very specific reasons for doing so

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Unfortunate to have happen though

spring ginkgo
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Im having a tough time with step under on blood moon in leagues

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as soon as I see red orb come out of me i step one tile forward underneath moon. then i click moon

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i always eat all 3

honest glade
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And are you sure you're not getting hit by walking off the tile instead

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The damage ramps up each time you step off

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So if you do it from the beginning of the fight it starts hurting more and more

crimson coral
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how much of an improvement is a dragon pickaxe over a rune pickaxe? is it worth spending those 500k if i only have like 1 mil to my name

haughty helm
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Depends how long you'll be using it, you can always sell it back but if it's just for a few hours then maybe not worth it to you

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Wiki probably has the % better on whatever rock you're going for

leaden jasper
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Is chaos fanatic hard

ancient elbow
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does anyone know when the leagues end? and if we can sell the cosmatics that we would earn from it like the deadman

tulip jacinth
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yeah you'll be able to sell cosmetics like normal

ancient elbow
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how much would you think it can get me? im a bit poor lol

tulip jacinth
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idk really, but you can check the prices for other league cosmetics and use that as an estimate

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though the price will drop since everyone will have more points to spend by the end of this league

spring ginkgo
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I can beat him with an inv full of shork. but Im trying to learn it here so I can do the step under on my main later

wheat spear
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pretty sure you only have one tick to react

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i think ur clicking late

upper carbon
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Am I able to do Zulrah in less than 3 minutes with these stats using blessed dhide w/ toxic blowpipe and ahrims w/ twinflame?

stiff timber
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Hi all returning player… is it worth me starting leagues this late even if I only have 1-2 hours a day?

hallow crypt
indigo oak
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when thieving chests do you have to click the lock pick and use it manually, or is it automatically used if its in your inventory

weary valve
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Auto

indigo oak
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thank. i must have just insanely bad luck then

wind dragon
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are the blood moon stronger after the quest? or the same

tulip jacinth
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same

drifting patrol
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Guys how do i get cannonball mould for varlamore task? I'm confused we can't do the quest right?

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it says smelt a cannonball in a volcanic fissure for varlamore. But how do i get the mould

haughty helm
drifting patrol
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I see, thank you friend

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appreciate it

unique hawk
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Ruins of Camdozaal charms, are these permanent upgrades?

honest glade
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Inside camdozaal

vivid sky
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Tried to buy a demonic pacts league reward, says the shop is disabled. Anyone got more details?

weary valve
vivid sky
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Thought so. alrighty. thanks

queen yew
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Hoping this is the right channel! I am doing shield of arrav as black arm gang and need the other certificate half if anyone has one they can trade for my half?

limpid frost
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s!soa

daring spindleBOT
# limpid frost s!soa
Shield of Arrav / Heroes Quest

If you are looking for a partner for the Shield of Arrav or Heroes' Quest, join the chat channel osrs soa and they can assist you there.

limpid frost
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its fine to ask here, there's a fc in game as well though that can help with finding peeps for shield of arrav peepognomeblush

queen yew
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Thank you!! Didn't even realise that was a thing

slender sluice
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im just in awe of top players, doing vard in leagues. it is allowing me to get experience but there is way to much stuff going on..

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and then it speeds up..

weary valve
limpid frost
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Yeah vard be crazy

slender sluice
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yea got to get the stuff from him, but man oof.

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my whole goal atm is just to get the prayer change down...

queen yew
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That was probably the easiest quest experience i've had, ty @limpid frost

limpid frost
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nice nice peepognomeblush

grave inlet
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should i pickpocket ardougne knights or blackjack non-bearded bandits at lv 63?

weary valve
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Blackjack more xp but more intensive

grave inlet
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what ab profit wise?

orchid tide
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do i need kandarin unlocked to get to ape atoll?

dim wraith
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Okay, is it worth it to unlock the upper floor of Motherlode? is the efficiency of getting nuggets on the top floor enough to justify it if I'm planning on getting the prospector gear, the coal and gem bags, and that's it

wind dragon
silk ember
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iirc top level is a waste unless you plan on going to 99 at mlm

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mlm is pretty bad inthe grand scheme of things

dim wraith
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I don't really plan on coming back to motherlode after I have all the items unique to it

solid stream
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then get the unlocks and ignore top level

silk ember
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yee in that case just get what u can and go

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also remember, you can sell back the prospector top after getting the collection log because varrock armour 4 counts as it

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saves u like 40 more nuggets

dim wraith
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alr, thanks :)

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its going to be a damn long time until I have varrock 4 lol

weary valve
limber raptor
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so, 1 day in after not playing since 2006; Is leveling easier, or am I just better than my middleschool self? 🤣

limber raptor
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okay thank god. I was about to be disappointed in my childhood self lol

solid stream
wind dragon
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is there no Lunar pet?

dim wraith
weary valve
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But eh

wind dragon
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love it

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but I did not get it the same time as the outfit haha. i was so tired of the mine

dim wraith
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yeah, I've got the hat, pretty close to the boots, probably just going to leave it at those two for now, but I'll come back for the bags eventually

small wyvern
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Tbh

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Go for the coal bag / gem bag if you want

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You’re going to earn them regardless if you plan to semi-afk mlm for 99 mining

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It’s better to have them than to not have them because they’re useful items in certain pieces of content and in a game that’s relatively vast, you never know when you might find it helpful to have said items

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ie: when salvaging dropped it would’ve been nice to have a seedbox, (soon to be upgraded) gem bag and herb bag

silk ember
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didn't the gem bag not work for salvaging bcuz the main gem that dropped couldn't be stored

weary valve
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They are giving an upgrade from mole

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That lets you store them

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Imo upgrade should have come with sailing

hard crow
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where can i find accurate 3a prices

weary valve
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Otherwise a ge tracker

hard crow
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thats the thing which ones do you believe?

fallen berry
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How long does a cg run take in the normal game for someone experienced? 4 minutes?

weary valve
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If GE tracker says max cash then you find a discord

hard crow
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yeah but which discords do you trust

weary valve
onyx tangle
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I also used Ely for what it's worth

hard crow
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tyty

weary valve
onyx tangle
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😎

weary valve
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Gzz

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My 3a longsword sold for 2.3b, has gone down since keklaugh

onyx tangle
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Good thing you sold it 😂

silk ember
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you have cargo hold for a reason

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either keep the salvage in cargo so u can bring it back to a dock to bank it for gp or just let it despawn

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not a fan of the weird middle ground they're taking by buffing all the storage stuff

weary valve
silk ember
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yeah.. salvage as a whole is a mess

weary valve
silk ember
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will never forgive jagex letting the 5 kids 2 jobs crowd win the war about xp rates

silk ember
weary valve
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Fuck the jubbly course

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For me, honestly the worst part was just how slow it feels going from A to B as a travel method

silk ember
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worst parts are just trials & combat imo

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& salvaging

weary valve
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So all of it

silk ember
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the movement is good

weary valve
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Trials is just movement

silk ember
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i liked the first trial but jubbly and gwenith are too jank

silk ember
silk ember
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the fucking bird on jubbly having 30 seconds of travel time & whatever the hell is happening on gwen

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i did gwen swordfish like 20 times and i could not make the timer

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kept being 1-3 seconds short

weary valve
weary valve
silk ember
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the xp is too good for how long the afk is

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salvagimg station also goes against what i assumed the intended design was for wildy ocean skilling

cyan pelican
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These are 3 guthix items 😢

limpid frost
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Is the book completed? Wonder if that matters 🤔

cyan pelican
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Elite void is allowed though

limpid frost
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If you say so peepognomeblush

cyan pelican
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F

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F

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so the default is story not talk

blissful echo
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Are teak logs food for construction training?

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I hope so I just spent an hour getting like 300+ logs kekw

honest glade
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you turn teak logs into planks

blissful echo
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Yeah I know

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Is it worth using sawmill vouchers?

honest glade
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idk tbh, only ever really used them on planks for sailing

obsidian pasture
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As an ironman I would only buy sawmill vouches if I'm done buying everything I need with anima bark

robust aurora
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Does anyone know of a setting that let's me crate headless arrows without the Make X option?

obsidian pasture
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Nope. It doesn't work for arrows

wide prairie
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It would be in the actual game settings but only certain things can be turned off

robust aurora
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Frick

wide prairie
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I think like darts is the only one

violet lodge
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does maxing miscellania favor every day actually make a difference?

wide prairie
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Yes

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Should also put 75k in it every day

obsidian pasture
violet lodge
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Alright thanks

obsidian pasture
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Putting in 75k every day does NOT make a difference unless your money spent per day dips below 75k

wide prairie
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Wut

obsidian pasture
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Like

wide prairie
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Its 750k

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I put in 750k and then just dump 75k in every day

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Youre there getting the favor back up anyway

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Keeps more gp on hand for other things

obsidian pasture
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If you put 750k GP in the coffer, it will take 75k GP from it, yes.
You are allowed to fill the coffer with 7.5m GP, but the amount it takes out is capped at 75k GP

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So if you fill it with 7.5m GP you don't have to think about filling it again for 100 days

wide prairie
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Yeah but id rather use that 6 or so mil

obsidian pasture
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Or uh, 90 days?

wide prairie
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Dealers choice I suppose

obsidian pasture
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It does not make a difference how much is in the coffer, as long as it's over 750k

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So you can do 1m, and refill every four days

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It's a matter of "do I need to spend the money in the coffer now, or should I keep it in the coffer to save time on each trip?"

wide prairie
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Very fair and true

near grove
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How do i get demon butler to stay within same room? He keeps roaming outta my crib

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I spent so much time chasing his ass

wise violet
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I keep it maxed for emergency funds and laziness purposes
Had a guy buy me a limit of snapdragon seeds when i wanted snape grass seeds and had to dip into those funds

obsidian pasture
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You can save time by keeping the coffer maxed until you want to spend the money, then withdrawing the money

wise violet
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1 is to call him while you're in an arena in the combat hall
2 is to have butler running to bank to un note or bring an item, but not having the free slots yourself to accept all the items
If i send my butler back for 26 marrentill and he puts 8 in my inv he follows me holding the rest until i've gotten all the herb off him

wise violet
near grove
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+1 more than I can hold?

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Doing construction

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Need a couple more levels

wise violet
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I think his max inv is 26
If you can hold 24 he'd have to stay by your side
But once you get the rest of the planks or w(e off him, just click him again and send him back to bank

#

If you want i can tell u how in a vc if the words didnt quite make sense here

#

To reduce costs you want him to grab his max every trip since he charges per trip not per item

near grove
grizzled briar
plucky nova
#

its small teams for zalcano uniques right?

pallid compass
#

3-4

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Ideally

plucky nova
#

thats what i thought somnone was arguing mass

pallid compass
#

No

#

Drop rate tanks

onyx tangle
#

mass is bad

wise violet
#

Mass for shards

pallid compass
#

Youll find someone will argue anything on the internet especially if its wrong

wise violet
#

Small team for uniques

plucky nova
#

pass is also for pet aswell

#

mass*

wise violet
#

It'd be cool if zalcano scaled like wintertodt or tempoross

pallid compass
#

Scaled?

#

Like how

#

Tempoross is also more efficient solo

wise violet
#

The amount of times i've done mass and didnt get enough contribution because it was already downed before i could imbue my 2 to 4 tephra is annoying

pallid compass
#

Ohh I see yes

#

That part sucks

plucky nova
#

i just wish she didnt feel so bad to kill lol not hard to kill, but pretty low drop rates it feels like

pallid compass
#

But I dont think thats scaling the fights are just designed differently

plucky nova
#

like 1/1000 basicly for a tool seed

pallid compass
#

Yeah well it is a rare expensive drop

#

You can make more money just gathering resources, in small teams you can average like 80k a kill

plucky nova
#

ive got it on xp so its even less lol

#

atleast until i get the herblore level

pallid compass
#

Lol to each their own, I dont like the xp mode

plucky nova
#

just 2 shards a kill 3 if im mvp\

#

might take a break from it nearly 300 kills in 3 days for 0 drops hurts my soul

#

just realized i did it so long my signet ran out of charges

golden dome
#

I'm almost up to level 50 Sailing, so I will be able to get one of the BIG boats soon(forget what they're called), so I just wanted to know, what should I dedicate my Skiff to be? Is there anything that a Skiff is equal to the big boat on, or perhaps even better than the big boat for? I've been Shipwreck Salvaging and upgrading all the parts as I go(Hull, Keel and such, plus my Salvaging Hook and cargo hold, and I've got a salvaging station built on my Skiff)

#

so its pretty much teak/mahogney/mithril/steel

lethal flint
#

Any information how Crimson Kisten works with horn effect?

prime gale
#

skiffs are for naviagtion, sloops are for combat and salvaging

#

navigation meaning trials, port tasks, charting

golden dome
#

so what should I build on my Skiff for stations?

grizzled briar
gusty carbon
#

why can i equip the fletching knife if i cant use it from my hand?

grizzled briar
golden dome
obsidian pasture
#

It temporarily frees up an inventory space so you can do things other than fletching

grizzled briar
golden dome
#

back to the Skiff, what stations should I build to dedicate it for navigation if I get myself a Sloop and instead use that for Salvaging?

grizzled briar
#

The protection ones like Innoculation station for sure.

wise violet
#

It'll be you trials speed oat

#

Boat*

night rose
#

You definitely want a keg of Horizon’s Lure if you’re doing barracuda or courier tasks

wise violet
severe hare
#

One level until Dragon Keel. - I’m so excited

small wyvern
#

Excited? It barely has an effect

golden dome
#

kinda wish Tears of Guthix let you decide which skill got the XP.

near grove
obsidian pasture
#

Yep, just don't train the skill and tears of guthix will go there

golden dome
#

yeah but between all the lamps I get that I put into my least favorite skills(Hunter and Herblore) and with the sheer amount of skills, I struggle to keep them behind

obsidian pasture
#

That's fair. It's a good problem to have

tacit grail
#

LEAGUES 6: I'm AT 19360 task points with Kandarin and Morytania areas. I have Shadowflame Quadrant and am doing the mage thorns build since I'm a noob at PVM. I just unlocked my last area, what should I choose? Also, I'm still at level 3 constructions due to going Endless,Hotfoot,Evil Eye, Transmute, Larcenist, Eternal, Culling. How should I progress construction?

keen axle
#

Hey guys question, are ironwood’s better than redwoods to try to get wc pet?

warm bear
#

Do sunfire runes buff demonbane spells?

wise fractal
#

I remember looking it up and they had same droprates, is that wiki page not updated?

#

feel like reading sth about them copying over redwood rates

obsidian pasture
#

They have the same droprate, but better logs per hour

stiff prairie
#

in leagues do you have to have desert unlocked for cerb boots ???? therefore can't have max treads unless you have desert?

weary valve
#

Drops eternal boots

#

Prim and peg crystal since you can get the other piece

stiff prairie
weary valve
stiff prairie
#

not yet but i'm scared to continue without finding out if it's boots drop

weary valve
#

It's boots drop

stiff prairie
#

i get the other 2 can be obtained asgarnia

weary valve
#

Says it on the wiki

stiff prairie
#

ok ty

weak socket
#

what does tolnas rift offer me?

fervent crow
#

nothing

olive fractal
#

good morning scapers. can someone tell me if drop trading dupes from ironman to main, to sell for bonds is aloud or bannable? tyia

fervent crow
#

totally fine

olive fractal
#

cool thats whati thought thanks. some guy in my CC saying he got banned for it... i knew he wasnt telling the whole story

fervent crow
#

thousands of irons do that, idk what part of that would be against any rules

tribal rune
#

people do get false banned occasionally

#

drop trading items to an account involved in rule breaking could possibly get you in trouble now iirc

olive fractal
#

fair enough, thanks for the info

tribal rune
#

gl gaming gamer

frank lava
#

im >25m prayer xp but task isnt completed, have tried gaining xp from different methods but no luck. Is this a known bug?

weak socket
#

why can i not charter to port piscarilius

#

nvm figure it out

silver nexus
#

If most of the pve I do is slayer and not pvm bosses, should I sell my fang in for rapier for now?

plucky nova
# olive fractal cool thats whati thought thanks. some guy in my CC saying he got banned for it.....

honestly? take every single "i was banned for doing nothing" witha massive and i mean MASSIVE grain of salt, every game ive ever played in the decades ive been gaming has had people cheat then lie about it to try and get some form of movement to get them unbanned. everything from Team fortress 2 to minecraft. when its looked into the vast vast majority are justified bans and i doubt runescapes the exception

weak socket
#

why can i not use digsite amulet to teleport to fossil island after completing bone voyage

silk ember
#

there's a machine in the [[house on the hill]] you use a digsite amulet on

half slateBOT
weak socket
#

i just got a small issue now

#

i killed myself with trying to unlock the 4 mushrooms on the island

#

so now my gear is stuck at the mushroom tp in tar swamp

silk ember
#

you can go to death and ask him to bring your stuff to you

weak socket
#

how do i get to death?

silk ember
#

should just be a staircase in the graveyard

weak socket
#

got em ty

silk ember
#

🫡

weak socket
#

ig ill ignorte that 1 mushroom tp for now

#

time to setup for first birdhouse run

#

wait fuu i need hunter level for that

#

ok nvm we good i did the quests for the 1k hunter xp in varrock museum

#

should i setup and do herb runs too?

fervent crow
#

they are very good money yeah

weak socket
#

i got 18m atm

weak socket
#

and like what herb level and idk what other stuff

#

cause this my first time playing i started last weekend

fervent crow
#

herb runs are a couple hundred k per run, depending on farming level and how many patches you have unlocked

#

and you can do them every couple of hours

#

so compared to anything else you have access to on an early account its very good money

#

unless buying bonds ig

weak socket
#

i mean i prolly dont need the money rn

#

im basically just doing all quests atm

#

and 18m with a bit of flipping on the side should be enough to buy all the items for the quests

#

and im missing a bunch of things for herb runs to make them nicer

#

like slayer ring and such

fervent crow
#

dont need a slayer ring. but sure 18m is plenty for questing

spare raven
#

Yo. Fairly new to mobile client, and am meant to ask for some suggestion on low intensity activities I may do on mobile? So far I have only gotten to doing the defender grind on my phone. Stuff that comes to mind would be Forestry and MLM.

weak socket
#

agility grinding all day sounds fire on your phone

fervent crow
#

tons of things are fine and low intensity on mobile, would be better if you had a specific skill or goal in mind

hallow crypt
#

level up crafting with jewellery since that's low intensity

spare raven
spare raven
hallow crypt
#

cutting yews in the woodcutting guild would probably be better than forestry for low input.

spare raven
hallow crypt
#

if you get 65 fishing you could just fish karambwans

#

fairly certain ironmen still grind those out since good food for later and all.

spare raven
#

So I have heard

hallow crypt
#

Oh and for combat you can kill red dragons in forthos with nature runes and staff of fire with thread and needle. So you kill the red dragon by safespotting take hides to turn to leather at the tanner in there make some red d'hide bodies and alch.

#

low effort and building money

#

Also an alter inside to use the dragon bones on too

grave inlet
#

is this setup ok for strange creature (secrets of the north quest)?

spare raven
fervent crow
coarse radish
#

Hello, new player here, i'm currently doing combat path i wanted to know if there is anything to claim to Adventurer Jon when finishing the path ? Thanks

grave inlet
hallow crypt
hallow crypt
#

the lamp is a shit reward tbh

coarse radish
#

I see that i cannot bank the lamp of the gatherer is there any reason why ?

#

Is it related to a quest ?

hallow crypt
#

xp lamps aren't bankable I don't know the exact reason why but I presume it's due to potential exploits.

obsidian pasture
#

Wow, 150 experience

hallow crypt
#

I know it's so rewarding isn't it?

shell thicket
#

whats the easiest way to get combat lvl 100?

hallow crypt
gilded steeple
rare stream
#

how do i type in public chat vs clan. mine defaults to clan

gilded steeple
#

clan chat is //

hallow crypt
#

You should be able to hover over the combat level to find out what you need.

hallow crypt
gilded steeple
#

Oh

vapid sandal
hallow crypt
#

When not in clan chat tab it's // or /c at the start of each message

rare stream
hallow crypt
#

when you click on one you can type in there normally

rare stream
#

but if i type its just my clan that sees it.

hallow crypt
#

is the clan tab at the bottom darker than the others?

rare stream
hallow crypt
#

if it looks like this you're going to be in clan chat when you type

#

click on all, public, game, trade or private for it to type not in clan chat.

#

so basically don't be typing normally in channel or clan if you don't want to talk to people in channel or clan.

rare stream
#

so now it should just be public

hallow crypt
#

should be yes

rare stream
#

now i see nothing

hallow crypt
#

all shows clan and public

rare stream
#

this is so confusing

hallow crypt
#

if you want to see all chats then keep the all tab open

rare stream
#

and im pissed off i want to tell the person aggroing black brutals to leave. im safe spotting and timed out aggro

weary valve
weary valve
rare stream
#

so annoying when someone is meleeing all the dragons and i de-aggro'd them

plucky nova
#

is there any furnace closer to a bank than the shilo village one? making some jewlery

weary valve
#

[[furnace]]

half slateBOT
rare stream
#

and its in leagues so if they hit it first then i get a 🚫 ...

hallow crypt
shell thicket
gilded steeple
#

For 70? It'll be like 5m with dragon bones

#

Maybe a bit less

weary valve
vapid sandal
shell thicket
#

Is 70 prayer enough for 100 combat?

vapid sandal
#

🤣

hallow crypt
#

wyrmling bones are cheaper by a lot

gilded steeple
#

Right down to the 75 def, 75 magic and 80 range

shell thicket
hallow crypt
#

babydragon bones work too

#

at over double needed

gilded steeple
#

Yeah, just make sure you're using someones gilded alter for it to be cheaper over all (I'm sure you know that already)

#

Does zealots work with gilded alter actually?

hallow crypt
#

I believe so

fervent crow
#

gilded altar is the most expensive method

gilded steeple
#

Then that'll cut the price a lot and give prayer xp getting it

#

Yeah chaos alter is cheaper, but wildy

hallow crypt
#

yeah not everyone wanna deal with wildy.

fervent crow
#

still a ton cheaper even if youd lose like every third inventory

#

libation bowl is cheaper too

wet lodge
#

wyrmling bones with the libation bowl is pretty efficient its just not chaos altar with noted bones efficient.

#

but people are always worldhopping to PK at the bone altar

shell thicket
#

Is elite void a necessity to get at some point?

gilded steeple
#

It's good at some places, Vorkath comes to mind. And I think it's useful at doom too

#

But not 100% sure on that

shell thicket
#

damn i wanted to farm vorkath for some cash money

gilded steeple
#

Poor accuracy. it's made up for with Salve ei

shell thicket
#

god zamn it

#

guess ill get to grinding

gilded steeple
#

glhf

turbid dust
#

does everyone use Jagex to launch osrs?

open oxide
light knot
#

I'm doing the legends quest. I'm placing the gems on the rocks in the order the helper is telling me to. All the gems have disappeared. I placed all of them. No book has appeared. What did I do wrong?

rare stream
#

anyone happen to know what to do if you get 2nd skill cape during leagues? i have mage and just got hp but i dont have desert so no emirs.

spare raven
wind dragon
#

should I buy the protection for palm trees? I'm not a locked account, but its kinda expencive tbh

oak geode
#

That depends entirely on how much you value the exp vs money

#

But it's only 30k

#

When even the most basic mid game pvm makes you 1-5m/h

wind dragon
#

yeahh true

#

tbh i make it back if I just mix in a hop run and get some cotton haha

weak socket
#

what ways can i speed up my magic xp gain on gemstone crab?

onyx tangle
#

What is your magic level

#

The methods will depend on that

weak socket
#

51

onyx tangle
#

Not much you can do then tbh

#

Just keep training with the highest spell available if you want to gem vrab

#

You could like alch between spells or smth

obsidian pasture
#

It would help if you didn't use bash and cast spells instead

weak socket
#

im casting spell

#

idk why website always defaults to bash

obsidian pasture
#

You have to set the spell on the website

weak socket
#

link was only to show gear

#

nothing else

onyx tangle
#

Use fire bolt

#

With chaos gauntlets

weak socket
#

wouldnt water balst be better?

obsidian pasture
#

Water blast is slightly better and a lot more expensive

onyx tangle
#

At your level it's the same but cheaper to use fire bolt

#

Wait nvm fire bolt is just better

weak socket
#

off to buy a lot of chaos runes then

obsidian pasture
onyx tangle
#

53 water blast is on par with fire bolt + chaos gauntlets

#

I wouldn't bother tho tbh it's way more expensive

weak socket
#

should last a bit

obsidian pasture
#

Consider fighting ice crabs instead of the gemstone crab

#

They take 2x damage from fire spells

weak socket
#

i also need to get like something to store runes in

onyx tangle
#

Yeah that's a good idea

weak socket
#

inv is messed up

onyx tangle
#

Get a rune pouch when you can yeah

weak socket
#

3.6m

#

expensive

obsidian pasture
#

Rune pouch is hardly necessary until you run into inventory space issues that actually warrant it

onyx tangle
#

Yeah maybe not now but eventually

weak socket
#

case rn i just play league of legends and tab into osrs ever 10 mins to go to next gemstone crab

obsidian pasture
#

20 minutes at a time

onyx tangle
#

Lol I do the same thing

obsidian pasture
#

They're actually more AFK than the gemstone crab

weak socket
#

hmm lets see how i can get there

#

any quest regs?

onyx tangle
#

Twilight temple I think?

#

Lemme double check

obsidian pasture
#

You need Twilight's Promise

#

Frost crabs only spawn in Tapoyauik

weak socket
#

waaaa need to do that quest didnt do it yet

obsidian pasture
#

Honestly, your magic is too high compared to your other skills

#

I would just switch to training melee for a while

novel olive
#

eldermaul or bgs for toa?

onyx tangle
#

BGS unless you have a horn team mate

#

In which case elder

novel olive
onyx tangle
#

No

#

Max def reduction at most bosses in toa is like 20-30 dmg and one maul will instantly cap out the reduction. But it's insanely inaccurate which is why horn is required

#

If no horn then bgs, and then bone dagger can be brought if you want but you only need like 20 dmg

#

So dont over spec

novel olive
#

gotcha, thanks!

light knot
#

For legends quest, are you supposed to let the gems disapear on the rocks?

onyx tangle
#

You only lose the gems if you use the correct* one

#

So yeah

weak socket
#

to access the cave

#

The Ruins of Tapoyauik is a dungeon located underneath the Twilight Temple in Varlamore. They are visited during the quest The Heart of Darkness, after completion of which the ruins become populated with a variety of monsters, all of which are susceptible to fire spells. Prior to quest completion, they are not accessible.

frail garden
#

Can i fight mimic without kourend in leagues?

obsidian pasture
#

Oh true

obsidian pasture
weak socket
#

yea heart of darkness says no

#

ow well 30 mins wasted

#

back to gemstone crab we go

wide prairie
#

Or yknow

#

Get those skills and do it

sweet scroll
#

does a Lovakengj Scarf from elite clue count as warm clothing at wintertodt?

haughty helm
#

[[warm clothing]]

half slateBOT
torn scarab
#

wen u guys do varlamore thieving do u just pickpocket keys/drop or are the houses V good?

sweet scroll
#

❤️

weary valve
#

Some extra money always nice

#

And it's afk

torn scarab
#

more afk than picking the keys?

weary valve
obsidian pasture
torn scarab
#

sounds like just picking citizens every 95 citizens is the play

#

i think u can get pet on them right?

obsidian pasture
#

Sure, but it's not a fast or efficient method

tidal falcon
#

Where can I see my overall progress in sailing like charting and stuff?

upbeat laurel
#

Its a very leaguelikes UI so if that aint your thing, at least open it so it syncs with runelite

tidal falcon
upbeat laurel
#

Plenty of sailing plugins (godsend for charting)

#

Iirc wikisync also lets you sync off the runescape wiki so you can better track your progress there

clever elk
#

how do i get a bullseye lantern for medium falador diary in leagues if i dont have misthalin or morytania think_spin

tidal falcon
weary valve
#

Oh the damn oil

upbeat laurel
clever elk
#

oh i missed the (unf) section of the wiki

#

didnt realize i could craft one

upbeat laurel
#

Varlamore drops tar

clever elk
#

my bad

upbeat laurel
#

I miss sailing

#

I need like 20k more pts and ill be done with leagues

jagged onyx
#

This might be a dumb question but I'm trying to make a water thorns build with desert, morytania and wildy. What would the best weapon be? I have lithic, shadow, water battlestaff. I also have malediction and elidinis ward. I assume I have to use the battlestaff and spellbook pacts?

weak socket
#

is there anything else i can do to upgrade my damage other than slowly levelling my skills on gemstone crab and following the respective gear progression guide for whatever skill im doing on the wiki

obsidian pasture
#

Yes

#

Do quests

#

Quests can give you loads of experience at once

weak socket
#

im doing those the entire time on the side when im actively playing

#

im at 69/179

#

after a week

obsidian pasture
#

Well, when you're not playing, you can't do much, can you?

#

Just be patient or play more actively

weak socket
#

yea but maybe there was something i was missing that i didnt know of

obsidian pasture
#

There is

#

1- You have to play the game

#

If you're not playing the game you can't expect to get rewards that come from playing the game

#

For the fastest methods on training each skill, see the respective guides on the wiki:
[[Melee training]] [[ranged training]] [[magic training]]

blissful echo
#

Can you sip milk from a bottomless milk bucket

#

For like healing

frozen vessel
#

How likely is it than in the next few years Jagex will make unused account names available again? Like a name that is taken by an account that is lvl 1 in every skill, and hasn't logged in in 5+ years.

weary valve
obsidian pasture
frozen vessel
weak socket
#

which doesnt rly offer my afk at gemstone crab a lot or?

weary valve
#

And they have a higher prayer req etc

robust cosmos
blissful echo
robust cosmos
#

Piety is a prayer that increases your damage that you can learn at 70. If you 1tick flick it, your prayer will not drain and you can have permanent uptime. Id watch a video for 1tick flicking. Also potions exist that can boost your stats to do more damage too

pallid compass
#

I'm going to try my best to show these images properly, this is the difference between blood eclipse and eclispe moon. They are almost identical so what is the value in even using blood eclipse at TDs if I am using protection prayers?

#

Even elite void ranged only has a higher max hit of 5 and for the extra effort it takes to swap an entire equipment set I don't think its worth it

carmine folio
#

what plugin shows equippment stats

pallid compass
#

Its not a plugin its a website

carmine folio
#

someone showed ss where he could see the stats ingame when he clicks on view equippement

#

nvm got it

#

ye[

#

it fowawrds there it seems

#

is membership play-time or real-time length?

gleaming zodiac
carmine folio
#

so real-time

#

oke

#

my friend is still busy so she cant play 🙁

weary valve
fervent crow
#

so just bring weapon/neck/cape swap or smth and you are fine

weary valve
#

Why wouldn't you use the best set you have available?

urban mica
#

whats leagues end date?

weary valve
#

Like 5 weeks Wednesday I think

#

Like 3rd June I wanna say

honest glade
#

that's not uh, nothing

#

however, if it makes it easier to not have to swap gear, then do it

#

up to you

pallid compass
#

Yeah I guess I just want to make it simpler so I can stomach a long farm rather than maximize dps

#

thx

grave inlet
#

what's a decent & cheap method to get my herblore from 58 to 60? i want to unlock mixology to then push it to 65

honest glade
#

super energy and prayer potions are always relatively low profit loss

#

iirc

#

don't know their current values though

trim marsh
#

2 lvls aren’t going to cost much anyway

grave inlet
#

i dont mind having to prep them, since it's afk

honest glade
#

you'd buy the herbs and water vials but i'd just say if you're a main to just buy unf potions bth

near grove
#

I did her lore to 70 just doing Tars

#

Think I lost a couple mil

honest glade
#

it's more time lost which is also inefficient in terms of GP/hr because you could be spending the extra time you spent making unfinished potions doing other content to make back the money

near grove
#

Still need 78 next

prime gale
#

any outstanding quests and diaries?

trim marsh
#

It’s going to cost like 200k to get 60 herb with ppots I’d just buy unfinished and get to 60

honest glade
#

yea

#

it's basically nothing overall

near grove
#

Any tips for herb lore 70-78 kekw

honest glade
#

mixology :)

#

gets you good permanent unlocks too

near grove
weary valve
blissful echo
#

Do you have to redeem your league points before the season ends?

fallow horizon
#

Any reason as to why take DWH over BGS in fortis colo? Im gonna bring the halberd, thus wont have my defender w/me

honest glade
#

you can't redeem them until after the season ends actually

#

when they open up the rewards shop

blissful echo
weary valve
blissful echo
#

I spoke to him the other day

#

He showed me his stock I can buy with points

honest glade
#

he's there, points don't go to your main account till after leagues though

blissful echo
#

When I log into my normal account I get the message saying I've got like 2.8k points

#

In the world chat

#

Game chat

weary valve
#

Try and buy something

#

Could be bugged

#

So much of this leagues is

blissful echo
#

I wanna save up for the outfit

#

But I can buy lower tiers and upgrade for free or something?

honest glade
#

if so that's why

#

if not then idk

vivid coral
#

wheres the npc to redeem that jazz

fervent crow
honest glade
#

all league rewards are available from the tutor

blissful echo
vivid coral
#

thx

honest glade
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but the leagues 6 shop shouldn't bbe open till after leagues 6

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or near the end

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the other shops are available i think

vivid coral
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🤔 is this including from the current league ?

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says i can select stuff here

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also, how do you get those outfits in the league like ive been seeing people do? unlock it outside league?

glass burrow
vivid coral
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i see. what about my follow up q?

glass burrow
white adder
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How do you make runelite bigger? Not the actual game but the plugin interfaces?

night rose
vivid coral
weary olive
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with larcenist, if I pickpocket a blood shard from a vyre will I get 10 of them?

glass burrow
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yes

weary olive
glass burrow
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you'll also be eating through blood shards extremely quick with any melee build so it kinda balances out

weary olive
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oh yeah I didnt think of that

night rose
vivid coral
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hm ok

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ty

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not trailblazer reloaded

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the first trailblazer

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been a while since i been on lolol

steady stump
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are some diarys on leagues bugged or its supose to be like this? i cant complete some steps

glass burrow
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like what?

steady stump
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the fishing explosive to spawn mogre in fally med diary cant do that

glass burrow
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... why not

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seems like you should be able to do it just fine

steady stump
finite remnant
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if i'm grinding construction with mahogany homes, what's the first reward i should buy?

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saw or plank sack?

vapid sandal
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plank sack

finite remnant
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bet, ty

near grove
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Can someone help me with this sudoku puzzle in SOTE

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Messed up a few times already

graceful hill
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How is scythe at duke compared to emberlight?

severe hare
pallid compass
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Should I invest in a full size keyboard for easier pray switching and function keys or just rebind it to something else? im using a compact keyboard and I don't think I can rebind outside of f keys without other software

severe hare
fervent crow
pallid compass
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Which plugin?

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like just the settings?

haughty helm
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There's a key bind plugin where you can set f-keys as like zxc

pallid compass
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Ohhhhhhhhh

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really ill have to look for it

haughty helm
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I moved my f2-f4 to zxc and it's so much more comfy, esp with ctrl/shift right there

fervent crow
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Called key remapping iirc

pallid compass
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Ah man youre a genius thanks

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this will make life easy

haughty helm
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QoL improvements always a good day

fervent crow
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People unironically still using f keys are wild to me

meager jolt
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Is the leagues shop disabled until the event is over or did I miss a post about it being temporarily disabled?

pallid compass
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now that im more into the midgame its not feasible anymore to click

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@haughty helm I feel like its a whole new game now, so much quicker!!

graceful hill
unkempt crag
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someone how can i set up tiles for volatile earth on delve?

pallid compass
pallid compass
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and you can input custom tiles you find online in there as well

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Is the difference between level 85 magic and 99 magic really minimal in terms of max hit and accuracy? I was messing around with the calculator and I only see a 3% jump in accuracy and 1 max hit change

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I thought with that big of a skill gap it would be more, or is gear just the biggest driver of damage in this game?

fervent crow
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85 to 99 is very significant

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But it will also depend on your gear, spell and what you are fighting

pallid compass
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I just tried a basic comparison with full void mage against tormented demons @fervent crow

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Nevermind, im dumb

fervent crow
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Void mage is a terrible example

pallid compass
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Yeah lol

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Ok now I did mid level gear and its almost double, makes sense

winter cloud
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im looking to save money to buy rune armor is there a way i could farm money relatively fast to buy it

winter cloud
pallid compass
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check the wiki money makers [[money making]]

half slateBOT
pallid compass
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On the right look for the silver star and make sure you have the rqeuirements for it

rigid bronze
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and having the same dps

pallid compass
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Point taken lol

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I think my new direction is just to 99 combat skills and then come back to content

rigid bronze
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thats prob the efficient route

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granted a lil boring

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but it is def efficient

pallid compass
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im at this weird point in the game where I struggle based on my hits and not mechanics

rigid bronze
pallid compass
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Yeah I can do it it just takes longer

rigid bronze
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i wanna say like a huge chunk accounts for your knowledge of the fight, second being stats

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and then weapons

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with armour last

pallid compass
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yep

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luckily there sa lot of afk combat training methods so I wont have to really be engaged

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zzzzzzz

rigid bronze
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yea

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thats a watch a movie/tv show angle

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its what i did

pallid compass
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and in my case watch the kids kekw

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maybe if I can get blood barrage i can take a break to slayer but we'll see

rigid bronze
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yea

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oh kids then yea

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perfect time to watch over them

winter cloud
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i have a osrs account connected to my google Gmail that i play on mobile but when i go to the jagex account thing on pc i cant sign into it because i already have a jagex account on my pc is there a way i can delete my account and have it so my mobile account is my main one

grizzled briar
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Hover over your username in the top right > click logout. You should be able to log into the Gmail account.

winter cloud
grizzled briar
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Accounts should be able to switch between PC and mobile seamlessly. I'm able to with mine.

winter cloud
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i have been trying to get my main onto pc for the past 2 days to im just going to restart and i have i have previously tried logging out and that didnt really do anything sadly

winter cloud
fervent crow
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Doubt you need to restart