game-update

[nocturne solstice]

Also they're getting a slight bufff and will give +10% acc in the future too

and also of course, the higher lvl you are the bigger deal it is

[radiant bane]

did u even read what i said lol.... i took 6 1 percent damage packs vs none.... with either option i still hit 30 30

[nocturne solstice]

Well it sounds like you didnt hit the right thresholds so like I said "The higher lvl you are the bigger deal it is"

[radiant bane]

99 range. it dosnt get any higher than that

[nocturne solstice]

Woulda been helpful if you started with showing us your build?

Then we could do some maths and see what you should be getting

and what might be causing you not to get more damage

[radiant bane]

if i get naked with kings crossbow. 99 range, no pray no 1 percent damage packs. runite onyx bolts "no spec" i hit 30 29 normal hit. if i put on eclipse moon anguish and 6 packs into +1 damage packs, i hit 30 30 1 damage more.

[nocturne solstice]

what are you attacking?

[radiant bane]

i tried the same thing with normal eagle eye pray with 30 percent pray post and range pot. both with and without 6 1 percent damage packs and the dps is 1 extra damage. so buffing it to hit more is great but 1 dps more is super lame for picking 6 packs

anything range always max hits... tried green drags, black dragons, veninatus, many slayer mobs

[nocturne solstice]

i was asking in case you were hitting something with flat armor that reduced your damage

[radiant bane]

yea i good i get it.

[nocturne solstice]

since according to the wiki dps calc your max hit should be 33 and 34 with anguish

[radiant bane]

all good

[nocturne solstice]

so i thought it was strange

[radiant bane]

its weird!

[nocturne solstice]

very weird

[radiant bane]

something isnt working

only thing i can think is they hard capped flat damage of kings crossbow at 30 30. no boosts. until you use pray and range pots then i hit like 46 46. but i would expect to see higher hits with just the 1 percent dps no pray no range pot.

[nocturne solstice]

same issue with a different weapon?

[kind surge]

someone earlier was mentioning that thorns was dealing inconsistent damage to different enemies too

very likely that all of these aren't calc'ing damage properly, or something else weird is going on

[radiant bane]

i didnt test any other weapons before i redid all my packs... only thing i can test now is with 7 1 percent dps packs. my rune crossbow with just normal rune bolts. flat damage on always max hitting is 54. add anguish i now hit 55s. 1 dps more.

or i should say 1 more added to max hit.

[scenic quest]

Is this update including the accuracy from the blog post?

[upper smelt]

I'd like to know that too

[nocturne solstice]

This is a server maintenance not an update, updates are tomorrow

https://discordapp.com/channels/324132423636090880/693170141071933471

[devout quarry]

not tomorrow, it's thursday

price increases, less testing, playerbase QA, delayed fixes to issues they know about

that's what a price increase gets you!

i mean it's a huge deal when you can't have sarachnis assigned when you picked culling spree, and naguas also can't be assigned, i planned my whole route with this in mind, rushed culling spree and only 8 days later is it useable. F this seriously

[tough nacelle]

yeah a but bummed '

[oblique glen]

shouldnt we be awarded with a free reset this update

[tough nacelle]

I think thats on thursday

[ember token]

the free reset was already given out

[restive siren]

updates are wednesday no

[oblique glen]

i havent received any free reset

[restive siren]

#game-news message

🤷‍♂️

[oblique glen]

🤷‍♂️

[tall spire]

Hey

[radiant bane]

My favorite is i picked abundance. For 10 plus levels. Dosnt work for slayer on smoke devils no boosts allowed. So instead of being able to get my pack point at 83 slayer with abundance i need to train it to 93. So lame.

[blissful topaz]

Left click bone bury option on ground items. (like brutus bones)

[hard axle]

@ancient ember Hey, another bug in the main game after this update today:

Zulrah Venom Smoke now does an additional 1-2 venom damage separate from the normal venom smoke damage.

[thick pelican]

Do wild pie level boosts work for thermy tasks in base game?

[minor whale]

Nope

You can't get assigned a task for a monster without the base slayer level requirement of the monster

And Thermy is on-task only

[thick pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

Crazy concept

Idk why anyone would think abundance would cheese thermy levels or kraken tasks when they are task only hard requirements. It doesn’t raise your level by 10 it applies a +10 boost to skills. Hard requirements would not be boosted.

[true talon]

Awakener orbs needing to be farmed to kill awakened bosses is a fucking scam.....

Hopefully the pact changes tomorrow, help builds come online easier, i have 24 points an my only way to get them is to do bull shit RNG items.....

Not trying to kill 600 callisto for a voidwaker piecee an then go have to kill vetion with range 600 times at the same speed as main game.

[minor whale]

*Thursday

[true talon]

ahh damn, i thought it was on this weeks update 🙁 that makes me more sad.

WHY is there a teleport animation on every freaking teleport for going to your dif unlocks

[analog crow]

Also
Why did jagex change the death mechanics this league? In leagues 5 there was no gravestone.

[minor whale]

It sorta is, it's just the update is pushed a day later

But it's an hour earlier a day later

It's weird

[gusty marsh]

I hope they do find a way to frontload some pact points next week, this is my first league and the progression / power feels so much worse than I was expecting, getting a bit burnt already

[true talon]

Would also like them to remove awakener orbs consumption per attempt

its very bad trying to go for awakened vard pact an having to go farm an orb each time

I think they laid them out to were youd get 40 after you unlock every area and complete all the challenges

which is bad, because then you got no reason to play lol

[astral compass]

are they aware that crossbows are bricked on leagues? pre patch i was hitting multiple echoes in one shot and now i can only hit 1 echo per attack?

[obsidian venture]

It’s slow for a bit but picks up

Then it’s just giga

[obsidian venture]

Was hitting multiple echoes last night. Patch isn’t happening till Thursday

[astral compass]

oh right i must have imagined the game update this morning then

and the completely coincidental fact described above does not exist

[obsidian venture]

Was just maintenance

Actual game update is Thursday

[astral compass]

yeah they famously dont make any coding changes during maintenance patches and actually didnt perform any hotfixes

can you just log in and report back your experience before accusing me of just lying please cheers

[obsidian venture]

Was going to test it anyway in a bit but you’re the first to mention it hours after

Friends who were on with the cbow haven’t said anything after maintenance. But yes will test it for myself

[astral compass]

if you want more information replicating it let me know

[obsidian venture]

Click monster and gl surely is the tech

[tacit wharf]

theyre were some coldfixes that happened today

[astral compass]

well yeah but it could be a much weirder interaction

[tacit wharf]

might of been from that

[obsidian venture]

What were you attacking

[astral compass]

ive heard reports that ballistas are even more bugged than crossbows

it has been the case on every monster ive attacked since the patch

[obsidian venture]

Can’t test with a ballista but can with a cbow

[astral compass]

pre-patch: with base ammo regeneration, crossbow 15% proc chance, plus one extra 30% regeneration chance node, i could rarely proc 2 or 3 echoes in 1 shot
post-patch: i can only proc one echo per shot in any circumstance

i have not experienced this personally but there is also a post on reddit where someone has recorded a 500 sample size of ballista attacks and only had 150 echo procs

[obsidian venture]

Could you share that

[astral compass]

https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1srnsk5/something_is_bugged_with_ranged_echoes/

[true talon]

Coulda broke something when they gave a reset for pacts

[astral compass]

my thinking is that it isn't recognising the nodes any more, in my case this would explain never proccing more than one echo, your idea here could explain how this could happen

[true talon]

they did adjust some of the nodes next to them

[astral compass]

i have an extra pact to spend, i will try applying it and see if this corrects the tree

[true talon]

All these got changes coming on reset

they adding accuracy to these nodes i think along with the damage

All are next to echo nodes

[astral compass]

well ive just taken the 30% prayer boosting node and it also does not appear to be functioning correctly

assuming 30% bonus translates to eagle eye going from 15% visisble ranged level to 19.5%

ranged damage calculator is giving me a higher value with deadeye 18% than i am currently hitting

[obsidian venture]

@astral compass So you never saw more than 1 echo yeah?

I'm getting the xp drops for bigger hits with echoes and a few times I've seen multiple

[astral compass]

correct

which crossbow are you using?

[obsidian venture]

rcb

I can go live if you want

[astral compass]

i will try it, i am using hunters sunlight

[obsidian venture]

lmk if you want me to stream a kill or two

[astral compass]

yeah go for it mate

[obsidian venture]

falador vc

[astral compass]

dont think im allowed in mate

[obsidian venture]

!voice

[astral compass]

!voice

[obsidian venture]

!voicechat

[astral compass]

!voicechat

[obsidian venture]

#🎤voice-access

diff server does those commands so I tried it 😭

forgot it's a channel thing here

[boreal olive]

has there been any talk about when u take reloaded and pick connicing clues it dosnt give u minium steps at clues ?

[astral compass]

update to this in case anyone searches and reads: crossbow ranged echo bug seems to have resolved itself for me after activating a new pact node and relogging - weird stuff

[knotty helm]

I hope there is an easter egg for talking to Mazchna with red skin after leagues is over.

[round lintel]

Did you all know about this bug?:

If you have a rune pouch lets say you have wrath runes in it, you also have wrath runes outside your pouch it will use both runes at the same time and never save any runes at all.

[hollow pumice]

deserved for using wrath runes

[scenic quest]

Is there an update today?

[spark agate]

No it's tomorrow

[candid pawn]

Any one else got an issue with Desert task "Set a mummy ablaze" not working no matter what level fire spell you use, can't use fire arrows as I don't have Tirannwn

[grand eagle]

In leagues I’ve been trying to chop down the willow I planted for like 20 mins. I can’t get rid of it.

Still going … I think it’s bugged

[candid pawn]

Do you have endless harvest? I had that issue and had to pay for it to be chopped, if you need roots then vale totems is your best bet

[grand eagle]

Yea I have endless harvest. Kinda annoying. Guess I’ll have to pay . Thanks!

[magic karma]

Were u trying on the mummys in the pyrmid plunder?

Cause those dont work. Try at ancient magics altar

On the other hand... #fixminionrelic im so sad i took minion.. its so unefficient if you try it at chambers of xerics you will see how low dps it puts out due to constantly respawning cause of the corners of tekkton and other rooms

Works good only if u stand still 🤡

[candid pawn]

Thank you, that's where I was trying so I'll go ancients altar

[sullen coral]

Is it me, or did that blog post sound 100% AI generated

I don’t think there was any authenticity in that post

[austere mulch]

Gotta do it for the memes:

33.6% preferred non-food
32.9% preferred no reward and higher XP
29.8% preferred a revised niche food
When asked which reward categories were most interesting to you, responses were similarly split across the board. This showed us that no single replacement had earned a sufficient consensus for us to treat it as the obvious next step.

“This showed us that no single replacement had earned a sufficient consensus for us to treat it as the obvious next step”

Didn’t the new skill poll land in a very similar position with sailing vs shamanism, yet they ran with sailing at no hesitation despite saying they’d poll separately if it were close?

I have nothing against sailing, and it’s 100% beating a dead horse, but I actually got a nice chuckle out of that lol

[void haven]

Genuinely trying to understand why Leechfin Fishing is this lightning rod for criticism, the game could desperately use a higher xp/hr fishing method and this shouldn’t drastically affect game balance in any way, plus they removed all the weird things about the food and prep station.

How this is so hated but y’all pushed through seeker arrows is beyond me

[restive siren]

where are you seeing this revamped proposal being a lightning rod for criticism and hate

there are like 10 comments in the thread and they are reasonable

[tender harness]

Reddit is an echo chamber of stupid opinions

[void haven]

Reactions to the blog post itself, just saying it feels weird to me that they backed off on everything weird about the proposal and seem to be offering a piece of engaging content for better xp rates which is a great addition and there are far more thumbs downs than thumbs up. Obviously its early but this feels like such a tame thing to be opposed to when aggressive power creep like seeker arrows got through no problem

[tender harness]

people are still salty about
price hike
temp game modes having more priority than the actual game
main game updates being delivered in often times not the greatest state
sailing

it has less to do with leechfin and a culmination of many things

also something that barely competes with temp for fishing is not good regardless

current fishing is fucking terrible

[void haven]

I get you, but I don't feel like being mad about or resisting good changes because of previous slights is a good pattern to get into. "You made the game more expensive so now I dont want the game to get better"

Agree that I want the xp rates to be higher, fishing is a slog rn for sure

[carmine junco]

The difference here is that as an opinion poll the purpose was always to gather feedback, so a close result is still data to use. The voting for a something like sailing was intended to have one thing be the winner, which is what happened.

[restive siren]

Id wager about 90% of those downvotes have absolutely zero relation to leechfin yeah

Scroll up a bit and look at older main game update news, people are just pissed

[carmine junco]

The reactions recently have been useless as a metric because it's all people salty about price changes

[tender harness]

I mean I also think leagues has no business taking priority over the main game but is what it is

[carmine junco]

I was personally more excited about the prospect of leechfin providing a novel food item, and prep stations as a means to make things like potatoes and such more easily. But I guess a good xp activity that isn't barb fishing is... Fine? I think the xp would have to actually be either bis or close to it so as to not be dead content though. If it only barely outcompetes the xp of more afk or rewarding activities like tempoross I'd find it hard to justify doing it. It's unfortunate that tick manipulation has to be the top tier xp for fishing in all cases.

[mighty temple]

As much as I think Fishing is slow, I personally wasn't exactly looking for faster methods to train it. Leechfin Fishing being solely xp driven is just way less interesting than any other alternative and honestly itd make no difference if the activity was scrapped altogether for something else

Like idk Fishing for Karambwans for like 40 hours at least gives you 40 hours of karambwans to use for food or sell for a little profit or cash in for big cooking xp at your whims

[carmine junco]

Exactly

My afk fishing recently was at infernal eels, which provide slow xp but also money and herb seconds

[mighty temple]

I dont even train fishing actively, just kind of a byproduct of whenever I want some zulrah scales or I guess deep sea trawling lol

Bluefins are fantastic food and obtained in huge bulk

[spark folio]

Don't forgwet to vote no to any and all PvP updates

[carmine junco]

I caught a lot of halibut for similar reasons

[mighty temple]

Halibut is great too

[severe pasture]

I think more xp methods that can almost/beat 3t methods should ALWAYS be welcomed into the game

guardians of the rift is a great example of something that beat one of the worst skilling methods in the entire game

lava runecrafting

star mining beat for around 1k xp/hr motherload and is not nearly as good as 3t granite

[late furnace]

Why is jagex so afraid of giving fishing a faster xp method? Is there a reason we've relegated it to being so slow oyher than "thats how its always been"?

[severe pasture]

a lot of reasons

same for agility

respect people who already been trough those grinds with low xp rates

and make people something to go for in the background

[minor whale]

Also not all skills need to be ridiculously fast

Fishing has several methods that are decently in the middle of the pack of XP rates

For the effort required

[severe pasture]

besides that the team is much smaller than it seens , they have to make dev time worth it, and osrs is focused on pvm and fixing old content that needs qol or revisment for 2 years now

[late furnace]

You dont respect those that went through a slow grind by making everyone else do it. Why fix or improve anything at that point since someone else did it the shitty way.

[minor whale]

Except just making things faster isn't "improving"

There's balance and fishing is very balanced

You've got a ton of viable ways to train it, multiskill it, etc

[severe pasture]

As a grandmaster myself I'm going for the record say I love the love pvm is getting, but skilling needs a balance overall, agility is on a weird state right now and have been for years and most players get lost on late-end game

[late furnace]

If the highest method of training involves manipulating the ticks of the game, it needs to be fixed imo.

[minor whale]

Nah

[severe pasture]

i do not think fishing needs more love

btw

[minor whale]

The highest method if possible should require the most intense methods

[severe pasture]

and they are

[minor whale]

Exactly

[severe pasture]

and they should be

[carmine junco]

But those methods should not be tick manip

[severe pasture]

if you give efford, you should ALWAYS be rewarded for it

[minor whale]

Why not?

Tick manip is effort, and it rewards you.

[tacit pendant]

Tick manip is not inherently bad

[minor whale]

It's part of the game

[carmine junco]

It shouldn't be

[severe pasture]

you can't 3t or 2t I suggest getting good

[minor whale]

Lmao

Removing tick manip is certainly a suggestion

[tacit pendant]

But an intense actually interesting method being bis would be the play

[late furnace]

Tick manip makes zero sense and is a consequence of shitty code.

Why do i have to teach my new friends that you have to set up a rat to attack you on every tick while using a knife on an item and yada yada is the best fishing method.

[carmine junco]

It should be. Make an actual engaging system for intensive activity that isn't making use of a glitch

[tacit pendant]

Trawling was a step in the right direction

[late furnace]

Im all for better more intensive methods. But tick manipulation is poor game design

[minor whale]

It's a quirk of an old game that people love

[tacit pendant]

Tick manip isnt really a glitch atp

[minor whale]

You're very much in the minority to want it removed

[late furnace]

Trawling shouldve been the bis fisbing method.

[minor whale]

They "fixed" it by accident one time

And they immediately reverted it

[carmine junco]

I very much doubt this

[minor whale]

Because the outcry was huge

[tacit pendant]

Tick manip is straight up intended and accounted for, encouraged even in oathplate smithing

[carmine junco]

Reddit always whines

[late furnace]

Removing it without a substitution doesnt sork.

But replacing it with an intended trainjng method doez.

[minor whale]

A substitution that ends up being less clicks/hr or less accuracy needed is always what people suggest though lmao

[carmine junco]

Yes, exactly. Delete it and replace it with actual intended activities

[late furnace]

This is wrong. The vast majority of players dont utilize tick manipulation

[hard axle]

Yup, volcanic mine

[minor whale]

It's never "remove and replace with an equivalently difficult activity"

[tacit pendant]

Kanbaru i dont think you understood my message in the slightest

[carmine junco]

Almost no one does tick manip but everyone is effected by it being the cap allowed on xp rates for activities

[hard axle]

Just a reminder than when 200m folks opt to chose volcanic mine over 3t4g, you know it’s a strong contender.

[minor whale]

It's always "remove it and hey make us have a free 120k XP/hr with less effort because clicking hard"

[carmine junco]

I replied to the wrong message by mistake

[minor whale]

Ah so
Skill issue leads to people whining they can't get the most XP possible

[late furnace]

This is very much a "i did it the bad way so everyone after me has to deal with it too."

Same shit reasoning that genuinely good QOL things get shit on by crusty old sweats that are salty.

[hard axle]

Even sepulcher, which was nerfed, no one said fucking shit.

instead it was

Buff rooftops

[minor whale]

Devs wouldn't make a new cap just because they remove tick manip

They've said multiple times they have internal XP rates in mind

[tacit pendant]

What skills is tick manip actually bis for? Mining and fishing?

Wc

[minor whale]

And tick manip isn't what limits it, it's just the highest rates

[late furnace]

Woodcutting.

[hard axle]

I’m one of the laziest fucks around and I understand balance

[ocean cypress]

I kind of agree with this.

I don't mind tick manipulation existing. But I would like an alternative Fishing training method that provides the same XP rates.

[hard axle]

nah, woodcutting doesn’t matter for shit

Because people love redwoods

[tacit pendant]

Just make leechfins normal fishing but verzik has you tanking the whole time solved

[carmine junco]

You seems to think tick manip is somehow a skill problem when it is not. Of course I could do it, but it's a miserable experience

[hard axle]

add a busted afk method and people don’t care LOL

Afk salvaging is another

over 1.5t salvaging

[minor whale]

That sounds like a skill issue
If you dislike doing something intense you don't get the rewards of XP for the intense method

[severe pasture]

is not the best xp per hr on training sailing

[minor whale]

Unless you're suggesting an alternative that's equally intense but isn't "tick manip" which you'd still hate

[late furnace]

Afk methods arent bis xp jyst because theyre less effort. Tf are you saying lol.

We're talking about high intensity =high xp rates

[carmine junco]

It's not that I dislike intense activity, it's that I dislike the methods by which you tick manipulate.

[severe pasture]

and I'm all for something like that

[hard axle]

Neither are redwoods or ironwoods

[carmine junco]

You seem to willfully ignore what I'm saying, so I think your skill issue is reading

[severe pasture]

sepulchre is terrible because of that

[hard axle]

That’s why woodcutting doesn’t get nearly as much complaints

[minor whale]

There's absolutely no difference between tick manip and an alternative method that requires the same activity and clicks and accuracy

[late furnace]

Exactly what im suggesting.

[severe pasture]

you put in so much efford and you don't get rewarded for it

[minor whale]

You just want "tick manip" gone because it's the Boogeyman of skillers

[severe pasture]

is barrely more xp per hr

[hard axle]

sepulcher is completely fine

[severe pasture]

and is lower chances for the pet to 99 than penguim

smh

[hard axle]

Really? I found it chill af

[carmine junco]

This is completely untrue, but go off I guess

[tacit pendant]

Its kinda just an embaressing nooby take in 2026

[minor whale]

I don't want to ride a bicycle, I think bicycles are bad, I just want a vehicle with 2 wheels that I pedal to move

[hard axle]

You just click the funny tiles

[severe pasture]

is not worth learning after 92 if you kept on rooftops all that way

[minor whale]

It's the same thing regardless of if the mechanism of it changes or not

[severe pasture]

aand the reward/time is defo not worth

[minor whale]

And why do a big overhaul to institute a system that has the same overall effort lmao

[late furnace]

Pryo come out of your osrs brain for a second.

Why do i need to tell new players that you need a rat to attack you to get better fishing rates? Or try and give them the math behind barb tick manip?

[hard axle]

I think it’s fine, but wish they didn’t nerf it 10%

[severe pasture]

3t granites can be over 100k xp per hr compared to the 40k on motherload

[minor whale]

It's a game
Sometimes you do silly things in a game for the best methods

[late furnace]

Briandead. Got it

[minor whale]

"Why"
Because that's what works?

[tacit pendant]

You dont lol

[severe pasture]

they should increase the rewards on lower floors

[hard axle]

95k/hr VM chicken in hand

we love VM

[carmine junco]

Your analogy is completely inaccurate. I'm saying that tick manipulation is a shitty bicycle and I'd prefer a good bicycle

[severe pasture]

and maybe add a method to skip the first with 92 agility

[severe pasture]

well have fun doing that then

[carmine junco]

Some cobbled together a piece of shit bicycle from scraps and I want one that was made for the purpose

[severe pasture]

you're not obblied to be good at the game

you can always be bad, and thats fine

[late furnace]

Tick manip =/= good at the game btw

[minor whale]

Except the devs have basically said tick manip is here to stay

[severe pasture]

it is

[late furnace]

Wrong.

[carmine junco]

Thank for proving that you understand nothing

[minor whale]

If you can't tick manip for best rates I mean
Objectively

[severe pasture]

understood*

[minor whale]

It does mean your skill in that is less

[late furnace]

Can =/= want to

[carmine junco]

No, I mean what I said

[minor whale]

Being bad at a game or a specific part of it isn't some moral failing

[severe pasture]

meant*

[carmine junco]

I mean what I said

[hard axle]

how many of you know there’s a 20 minute afk agility method

[tacit pendant]

The choice to click a bunch to improve xp rates is there for you as a choice. That choice exisiting is not bad. Nobody here has argued that tick manip should be bis over a more engaging activity so this whole discussion amounts to very little

[carmine junco]

Why are you equating not wanting to do something with not being capable of doing it?

[severe pasture]

we can't win then all I guess

[sacred oracle]

[tacit pendant]

If vampirium is so dangerous why dont we have stuff trying to damage you while you fish that you can skill express on through damage mitigation

[late furnace]

Playes like righetous and pyro keep the game in a worse condition than it should be because of selfish reasons and "close the door behind me" logic of "it sucked when i did it. So it needs to suck when you do it."

Keep tick manip no one cares. But add an intended fishing method that is just as intensive in ways that make logical and coherent sense.

[severe pasture]

telling you that you're bad because you're incapable of doing a content in game is a insult?

[carmine junco]

Again proving my point.

[severe pasture]

you probably have a very high ego, sadly doesn't match your low skill

[tacit pendant]

Literally everyone here is cool with an intense method being better than tick manip.

Case closed, bitching about it exisiting at all is pointless

[carmine junco]

Again proving my point.

[severe pasture]

[sacred oracle]

Let's take it down two notches, please

[minor whale]

You don't want to put in the effort of a skill you don't get the enjoy the benefits of that effort

If you don't have the mental fortitude or hand fortitude or whatever it is it takes you consistently do tick manip, that doesn't make you a bad person or a shitty gamer, but in discussions of skilling itself it does mean you're operating sub-optimally

[sacred oracle]

Maybe 2.5 notches

[severe pasture]

you're just right

[sacred oracle]

We're all friends here, except for Pyro, who is my mortal enemy

[hard axle]

I bring this up because each time we have these giga afk methods, some buttmuncher complains it’s not strong enough despite it being afk.

On the flip side, it doesn’t matter how much you dislike it, but if it’s more active or skill expressive, then it should be more XP.

Pyro is right that most of the time, the loudest fucks against tick manipulation are just lazy mfers fishing for both higher rates and less effort.

We’ve seen this numerous times over the years.

[minor whale]

Oh shit it's Tramayne

I need to get my anti-Tramayne spray

[sacred oracle]

[minor whale]

(it's Stouffer's Lasagna scented)

[tacit pendant]

Lets stop with the strawman of tick manip. Jagex is capable of making high xp high effort content that is different

[sacred oracle]

today isn't a lasagna day, i'll have you know

it's 1h4m until i get a bucket of chicken

wednesday is a great day

oh i should probably scroll up

fine you talked me into it

[severe pasture]

if is high efford I'm all in for it

[tacit pendant]

Sounds good to me

[severe pasture]

scurrius is a great example

[minor whale]

If the devs proposed a method for every available tick-manip skill, and those methods are all identically effort and clicks and accuracy required as current existing tick manip, I'd be all for it

I'd also say it's a massive waste of dev time to make something that currently works have an identical effort and clicks and accuracy method just to fuck over people who like tick manip, when absolutely nobody who currently doesn't tick manip would start this new method when it's the exact same effort

[spark folio]

Honestly, the highest xp rates should never be for the more AFK methods (looking at you bursting and chinning)

[tacit pendant]

Would people enjoy the idea of using protection prayers while skilling or is that a bad suggestion?

[hard axle]

But yeah, if sepulcher was 200k/hr, they wouldn’t have this strawman and then complain how it’s too hard instead of

[hard axle]

Lv3 skillers intensifies:

[severe pasture]

I think those yama rock tiles are more fun and engaging than any rooftop curse

[tacit pendant]

Sepulchre could use a moderate buff

Lvl 3s can tick manip lol

[minor whale]

Like a question for the people wanting high effort non tick-manip stuff

[hard axle]

Agreed. We saw what happened when they nerfed bounty tasks, only to replace them with nothing

[minor whale]

Did you who trained sailing do Gwenith Glide to 99?

[ocean cypress]

I think it would need to be doable for lvl 3 skillers.

But other than that, I think it could be quite interesting. Investing in Prayer to make a skilling method easier, might be a cool idea.

[tacit pendant]

Like an actual u choose to limit yourself moment. Prayers add alot of depth to pvm. Could be fun to experiment with one time

[hard axle]

It’s like the smithing rework crowd - they want smithing reworked so badly, but it solves literally nothing

oh no, the iron will still fire strike fire giants for a rune scimitar

[tacit pendant]

Giants foundry so fucking goated ill do that on my main to high 90s

[minor whale]

I just don't think dev time should be wasted removing a system that currently works for the skills it works for to replace it with something that is identical but "official"

If the rates currently are what Jagex deems the "high end"

[tough nacelle]

I get smithing is kinda doodoo

[sacred oracle]

okay i finished reading up

[minor whale]

It doesn't matter if it's tick manip or some other "official" method that takes 7 clicks per tick

[sacred oracle]

i'm ready to opine

[carmine junco]

Why not? The activities could be fun and engaging.

[tough nacelle]

but idk if thats what I want dev time spent on

[sacred oracle]

when i read the blog, my first thought was "wow, i wonder if people will be mad that something is competing with 3t barb fishing"

[carmine junco]

You seems to think that the new activity would be just as shit as it currently is

[sacred oracle]

i actually want them to make it slightly better than 3t barb fishing

i don't like 3t barb

[severe pasture]

[tough nacelle]

I hate tick manip but I can do stuff like marlin fishing

[sacred oracle]

i'm not, like, opposed to tick manip, i just don't like it being the best way to do something

it's a personal thing

i don't think it's shitty game design or anything that dramatic

if they make something that's better than 3t barb, i'd just be like "cool"

[tough nacelle]

I find tick manip skilling tough on my old joints but something a bit more varied is more fun to me

[sacred oracle]

these are all my opinions, i'm done now

[tacit pendant]

Skilling is in a bad spot where theres no actually hard content and we kinda need good rewards to be going for. Until then combats will be the only skill mains get post 99 xp in and thats a shame

[mighty temple]

idk man if tick manipulation is the most efficient/fastest way to train a skill i will simply look for alternative methods even at the cost of that efficiency

[late furnace]

let me ask, do you consider it good game design?

[mighty temple]

efficiencyscape isn't the only way to play the game

[late furnace]

or a neutral consequence of the game being made in the prehistoric ages

[sacred oracle]

i don't really feel qualified to opine on game design

i don't know what makes good game design

[spark folio]

Honestly, hot take incoming. If you don't like tick manip, don't do it. (I don't tick manip and don't like it but who cares)

[tough nacelle]

reality is tick manip xp rates are good but its unfun

so id rather afk at 8k/hr

[tacit pendant]

Efficiencyscape is not actually how 99% of players play.

Efficiencyscape in and of itself is a strawman pushed by ironmen to shit on mains or some shit

[sacred oracle]

i think tick manipulation is an interesting bit of skill expression, but it's not much fun to me, so i don't really want more of it

it's fun to a lot of other people, though

maybe more people think it's fun than not fun? no clue

[late furnace]

This is valid. but other methods should compete that don't require tick manipulation in its current form.

[sacred oracle]

just for me, personally, i'd rather there be a more straightforward bis fishing xp method

[severe pasture]

I think we should stop trying to impose what we think to a majority

[tough nacelle]

high APM like marlin fishing requires you to do something

[wet smelt]

i dislike the blog for leaches

[tacit pendant]

Tick manip is a decent proof of concept that you can reward effort. In the same way zulrah proved bossing could be interesting. But i dislike tick manip and i dislike zulrah too

[tough nacelle]

and you're not just staring at a fishing spot

[wet smelt]

why cant high level content have good xp and reward?

[spark folio]

I completely agree. Even if I wanted to tick manip, I can't because I have a messed up hand. So it's literally impossible for me

[wet smelt]

why always one or the other

[severe pasture]

as long as the pool it I'm all for it

[wet smelt]

if its high level, high intensity, why cant it have high rewards?

[severe pasture]

where did I insult anyone?

[carmine junco]

?

[severe pasture]

you were the one reacting to my messages with the clown emoji

[late furnace]

.

[sacred oracle]

hey 2.5 notches

[carmine junco]

I'm literally still here

[severe pasture]

thats not a insult

is a fact

[carmine junco]

Lol.

[wet smelt]

same thing with trawling, its a late 80s to 90s skill, and it gives worse xp than salmon

[late furnace]

.

[sacred oracle]

i was very specific on the amount of notches things should be taken down

possibly even 2.75 notches

[late furnace]

.

[severe pasture]

and is that a insult aswell?

[severe pasture]

and thats also not a insult

is just the truth

[minor whale]

Hush didn't you call me braindead for saying tick manip is skill expression and shouldn't be removed

[severe pasture]

you don't need to be good

you're playing a role playing game

[minor whale]

Weird for you to go all "don't use insults" now

[carmine junco]

At least be honest.

[wet smelt]

tick manipulation shouold be removed if its a factor for balance imo

[severe pasture]

you're not obliged to do ANYTHING in this game

[sacred oracle]

i think a lot of people really enjoy the rhythm game aspect of osrs, so for them tick manipulation is cool and fun

[severe pasture]

I can't 1.5t teaks, I'm bad at it

[late furnace]

yeah. stand on that shit too. but im not saying we shouldn't like righteous did.

[sacred oracle]

it's hit and miss for me, though

like in inferno, tick awareness feels fun and skillfull

but i am literally never gonna attack a rat to get in cycle for 2t swordfishing

no thank you

[wet smelt]

i can tick manipulate as good as anyone else, but i dont like to do it

[tender harness]

high level fishing being balanced around GP/HR
high level fishing ends up being shit GP/HR
because its easy bot content
people then say fishing is shit
I wonder why people say fishing is shit

[sacred oracle]

we need to take it down 3.17 notches

[severe pasture]

and stop beying bothered because we are limited and think other people need to go into consequences because of that

[ocean cypress]

I think the only concern is if an activity has "too much". It could inadvertently make every other activity feel useless or worthless if not carefully handled.

[severe pasture]

I love that, thats how I got my heron

[minor whale]

I did 2t swords from the time I discovered it existed to whatever my current fishing level is (whatever for mory elite)

[spark folio]

tick manips for skilling is fine. But (thankfully) it can't be used for combat and never should be able to be

[minor whale]

It's very fun and enjoyable to me

[severe pasture]

whats the problem with it?

thats fine lol

[wet smelt]

and the fact that some content is being balanced around tick manipulating (like salvaging was about top be) is super annoying

[minor whale]

I don't think we should remove existing methods just because some people get a burr up their butt about it being too click intensive or the whole game just becomes salvaging but all skills

[tough nacelle]

no it wasnt lol salvaging was broken

[severe pasture]

being bad is not a insult, is the truth for us all in certain parts of the game, just facts

[wet smelt]

at lvl 80s-90s i would like good rewards

[tough nacelle]

there should be afk skills, normal skills, and high intensity

[late furnace]

you arent the judge of that and tick manipulation isnt some grand skill display

[severe pasture]

it is

[late furnace]

wrong.

[carmine junco]

It is not

[severe pasture]

resilience is skill

[late furnace]

wrong.

[tender harness]

I just want something thats better than barb fishing
is it really too much to ask for something literally anything thats better than barb and offers a better option that fucking temp

[severe pasture]

yes you're

[ocean cypress]

If it's high level enough, yeah then maybe it will end up being okay.

[tough nacelle]

my primary issue is tick manip is the defacto high intensity method

for some skills

[wet smelt]

like, id like the end of the road to be a reward, not a second road to go down

[minor whale]

It's not skillful to...consistently do something that requires high effort and accuracy?

[sacred oracle]

all this said, i'm really curious to see what jagex propose for leechfin that would compete in xph with 3t barb

i'm coming to it with an open mind

[minor whale]

I'm so confused how people can say it's not skillful to do tick manip lmao

[tough nacelle]

its skillful, just hard on the body

[carmine junco]

Because it's just doing the same clicks on repeat

[minor whale]

Like you hate tick manip so much that anyone doing it is somehow not actually skilled?

[sacred oracle]

what really trips me out is people who do tick stuff without metronome plugin on

[tough nacelle]

and I dont enjoy it

[severe pasture]

saying resilience is not a skill, is such a crazy quote, thats I can't even phantom that you're not trying to rage bait

[tough nacelle]

its 100% skillful

its just unfun

[sacred oracle]

i went to school for music and i still couldn't

[austere mulch]

Grand display? Sure, I’d agree that it’s not that.

But it is more skillful to tick manip than to afk? Absolutely and you can’t really argue against that

[sacred oracle]

gimme a beat

[late furnace]

Its the same skill set as tapping to a song.. sure if thats your level of skill you want to flex then lets go for it

[wet smelt]

my bets are "bloody offcuts" that are used as bait for leeches but also interrupt actions for tick manip

[minor whale]

Actually one of the funniest arguments I've ever read

[late furnace]

its rhythm.. thats it

[severe pasture]

yeah you're not 3t for 15mins right?

[tough nacelle]

thats runescape

[minor whale]

Guys no it's not skill it's just consistently executing a task perfectly for a long period of time 😭

[austere mulch]

It’d be like saying completing the inferno isn’t a greater display of skill than killing royal titans

Because “it’s just rhythm”

[ocean cypress]

I don't think it's not skillful. There's objectively some player skill involved.

I think it's just not enjoyable for some players. Which is fine.
But also, it should be fine to add new methods that have similar rates but different gameplay.

[minor whale]

No man you don't get it it's just repeating clicks between the same 3 prayers

[severe pasture]

3t for 5-6hrs non stop is something most of us wont ever have the resilience to do

[minor whale]

That means it's not skillful to execute it

[tough nacelle]

people saying its not skillful arent being honest

[severe pasture]

they know it

[minor whale]

Piano is just the same 88 keys in different orders, Chopin was a HACK

[wet smelt]

like an other annoying thing is the roots outside of doom, they are like lvl 80 and give less than peanuts

[late furnace]

The skill comes 90% from learning it.

like prayer flicking. once you learn it its just rhythmic clicking you dont have to think about the ticks. you're not actively counting. your brain just does it

[sacred oracle]

I don't think anyone is saying it's not skillful

[carmine junco]

You're really bad at analogies

[sacred oracle]

I think some people are saying it isn't fun

[minor whale]

They literally are though

[severe pasture]

they're just trying to get it changed because they are not capable of doing it

[tough nacelle]

doom roots are OP ngl

[austere mulch]

There is skill in execution, too

[sacred oracle]

That was a great analogy

[tough nacelle]

they are the most AFK thing in the game

[sacred oracle]

chopin mentioned

[severe pasture]

thats true

[tough nacelle]

1 tick alternating is 99% of the inferno

[sacred oracle]

though lately I've been much more a Prokofiev man, ya dig

[carmine junco]

It was not? Tick manipulation is playing hot cross buns over and over for hours

[tough nacelle]

id say its similar to 3t fishing for 2h

[tender harness]

people are so obsessed with the tick manip shit that they are ignoring Jagex still refusing to provide better blood vial sources, but by doing that they also bring back the problem of TOB loot is fucking shit outside of scythe

[sacred oracle]

I felt like I really unlocked the waves when I got better at 1t alt

[late furnace]

I said its not skillful. once you learn it its auto pilot. I dont see that as an expression of skill.

[tough nacelle]

thats all of runescape

[sacred oracle]

In a tough spot? 1t alt

It's always 1t alt

[late furnace]

its like playing a scale on an instrument

[severe pasture]

where do you think it should come from?

[tough nacelle]

high level pvm is knowing what tick what is happening on

[severe pasture]

I'm all for in more blood vials for my scythe, but I would not agree comming from fishing

[sacred oracle]

gonna have to disagree with that one

i do think tick manip is a rhythm skill

i think that's why a lot of people are intimidated by it

[minor whale]

"Once you learn it it's autopilot" that applies to everything ever that exists in any way

[austere mulch]

Breaking News: 37:19 inferno isn’t any more skillful than Timmy two shoes who just got his first s65 for gm because it’s just pattern recognition and autopilot

[sacred oracle]

I myself was for sure

[tough nacelle]

being a surgeon isnt skillful. once you know it, you can autopilot

[sacred oracle]

I put off hunting chin pet for a long time because learning the click-tar-click-whatever method just seemed so involved

[tough nacelle]

needless to say - /s

[ocean cypress]

Is there something in the game you'd describe as skillful? Might help in understanding the perspective.

[carmine junco]

Please remove yourself from the conversation

[sacred oracle]

Talking about game stuff is okay, but I'd prefer we avoid talking about people

[carmine junco]

Oh the message I was replying to was deleted

[sacred oracle]

Tends to make said people mad

[severe pasture]

thats very rude

[sacred oracle]

When people get mad, I have to do mod stuff

[spark folio]

Honestly terrible analogy ngl. Surgeons not only have to study for years you have to be genetically built for it, any hand shakeing at all automatically stops you being a surgeon

[sacred oracle]

Don't make me do mod stuff: I am very lazy

[austere mulch]

Getting to the point where execution becomes autopilot-esque is a display of skill in and of itself

[tender harness]

cant wait for leechfin to turn into something thats the same intensity of 2t swordfish with 80% less xp and 1/100,000 chance at bloodshard fragments

[tough nacelle]

this is what im afraid of

[austere mulch]

You can chart out what level of skill you believe that to be all you want, but to say it is not skill is objectively untrue

[late furnace]

I think pvp is difficult. its something I cant do. I think the knowledge requirement for collo and inferno are pretty dificult. I think deep delves on doom require some level of skill expression. Awakened dt2 bosses.

In terms of skilling, maybe the barracuda trials efficiently, require some skill and on the spot decision making.

[hard axle]

That’s why there should be a cutoff and some new method replaces it after a certain point.

I don’t mind if it’s 90-98.

Sailing did that really low at 72.

[tender harness]

sailing is really weird tho
its like okie heres gwenith
and you fucking zoom to 99
pre nerf salvaging you kinda did the same
Extractor my beloved

[severe pasture]

is a new skill

[tender harness]

its a bad skill

[late furnace]

My point is that when you dont have to change your decision making structure or method, you just have to click at the right time, things dont require much skill beyond learning that rhythm, which is such a minor part of the process that you literally dont think about it while you're doing it. A metronome does the same thing you're doing.

[severe pasture]

not the same as old ''forgotten'' skill

like agility

[carmine junco]

I did gwenith for a while to 87 but then I wanted rewards so switched off to other things

[austere mulch]

Exactly this message here #game-update message

[minor whale]

I can use an irl example of my own that's adequate then
I'm a tournament-level recurve bow shooter irl
You set a target up 20 meters ahead of me and I'll hit it 100/100 times
Most people can't or won't be able to do that, but most people who actually put in the effort to learn and do it can easily
Does that mean archery isn't skillful or I'm not skilled simply because it's a repetitive, extremely monotonous, muscle memory task that I can perform a lot of times in a row?

[spark folio]

Reminder: you are all now manually breathing

[severe pasture]

thats literally for all content in game

[sacred oracle]

I only just now realized this is #game-update and not #old-school

[minor whale]

Yup

[severe pasture]

you can also use a metronome to do a 0 pot inferno

[minor whale]

That applies to EVERY thing in game

[hard axle]

Are we now?

[severe pasture]

doesn't mean it doesn't require skill

[tender harness]

my gripe with agility is I would probably love seppy if it had rates buffed by like 20%
but rooftops for not that big of a difference compared to seppy for higher intensity for barely better rates is kinda

[sacred oracle]

I refuse!

[late furnace]

Would it be more skillfull or less skillfull than if the target was moving, or if you had to shoot a bow you werent familiar with each time you shot. or if the distance changed

[severe pasture]

being able to do it non stop makes it easier to learn?

[austere mulch]

Is tick manip skilling less skillful than high level PvP or inferno/colo?

vast majority would agree yes.

Is tick manip skilling more skillful than afking anything?

Answer is blatantly yes

[minor whale]

There's people who can literally brain off do Colosseum while chatting to stream and modding their chat

[carmine junco]

This is extremely untrue. The level of decision making and reactions to different situations places the inferno an a level so far above tick manipulation that the two are simply almost impossible to compare.

[late furnace]

I'll jump ahead of that cuz you wont answer it, it'd take more effort and skill to adjust to those circumstance rather than just repeating the muscle memory you've learned

[minor whale]

Oh, so it is skillful, but now there's levels of skillful? Glad we've moved away from "it's not skillful"

[severe pasture]

is literally not untrue

you can use a metronome to do a no pot inferno

[sacred oracle]

I have a confession to make: I don't actually care if tick manipulation is skillful or not

[hard axle]

Pvm is just flow charts ngl. Very little thinking on your feet.

[late furnace]

sorry didnt know I had to explain to you that there are different levels of skillful.. yeah bro, clickin on runescape isnt on the same level as surfing a tsunami my bad

[spark folio]

Yes, and now you can also see the tip of your nose in your periphral vision

[tacit pendant]

Tick manip could be used to raise the skill cieling. And yeah it just does not matter.

[severe pasture]

saying that being able to count ticks doesn't require skill is simply untrue at all

[minor whale]

There's different skill sets
Some of the best inferno doers in the game can't do cut-eat barb fishing

[carmine junco]

You can, of course use a metronome. But that by itself doesn't solve the inferno as much as it does tick manipulation

[hard axle]

[severe pasture]

same for 3t

[austere mulch]

I could shoot 100 uncontested three point shots and make idk 20? 25? on a good day

Steph curry can do the same and make 60 or more

For Steph it’s muscle memory - does that mean we’re equally skilled?

[carmine junco]

Except that it does.

[severe pasture]

you can also use a metronome to count ticks, doesn't mean you will be able to not fail

[sacred oracle]

"You are now seeing your nose" is just as freaky as "You are now manually breathing"

[austere mulch]

If so, NBA owes me a few M’s

[minor whale]

Yep! Because he's learned the skill that means it's less skillful for him, obviously

If you learn something it actually means you're now less skilled

[severe pasture]

the skill gap is largely wide, but doesn't mean that one does not require skill because the other is harder

[spark folio]

And also you probably just noticed that your tongue isn't quite sitting comfortably in your mouth

[tender harness]

you could win the lottery from tick manip to but most people dont give a shit
its fine for those who enjoy it, trying to prune it or crusade against it seems wild.
just revitalize dead methods, revisit certain loops of skilling, some of them really dont need to be as shit as they are

[sacred oracle]

Stop it lendyr, we are innocent men!

[carmine junco]

You being unwilling to realize the difference between clicking the same thing in circles and doing the inferno despite them being on the same beats doesn't mean that what I'm saying is untrue.

[spark folio]

I saved the worst for last

[severe pasture]

3t requires resilience patience and overall a lot of time to deal with frustration

[severe pasture]

.

[minor whale]

We're literally never going to convince them

[late furnace]

Sure, do it with someone guarding you? Do it while moving? Do it under the pressure of a real game? Do it while making decisions that your teams relying on. that skill difference will be very clear.

Now go 1t fish

[severe pasture]

I already told you the reason

[spark folio]

There's probably a very small itch somewhere on your body that you didn't notice until just now

[minor whale]

No point in continuing an argument that's been over as soon as someone said it's not skilled to do tick manip

[austere mulch]

I think… you grossly missed the point

[sacred oracle]

All this energy expended should have been directed toward convincing Pyro to max

[severe pasture]

I'm not trying to convince anyone at this point

[tender harness]

3t4g

[austere mulch]

If it’s unclear, Steph Curry is vastly more skilled at shooting a basketball than I am

[carmine junco]

Of course not, you can't convince someone with blatently untrue statements

[sacred oracle]

I don't know who Steph Curry is, but his name makes me mad hungry

[severe pasture]

people are not putting the fact that resilianse is a skill

[analog crow]

Don’t talk urself down

[severe pasture]

and thats just crazy

[tacit pendant]

All this energy could be used to make a decent suggestion for the stupid eels and maybe post it somewhere else

[spark folio]

Luck is a skill too

[tender harness]

resilience*

[tacit pendant]

Not the time to be so hunble man

[severe pasture]

thank you

[austere mulch]

You right, I’m actually more skilled because he has more muscle memory

[tender harness]

I got struck by lightning 7 times does that mean I am skilled?

[sacred oracle]

resilianse looks better, sorry

[carmine junco]

Must be the British spelling

[minor whale]

Funny story...

[spark folio]

Yes

[sacred oracle]

lmao

don't get pyro started on lightning

[severe pasture]

skill gapped grim reaper

thats based

[sacred oracle]

(do get pyro started on lightning)

okay it's almost lunch time, i'm going to step away but pretend to still be here

[austere mulch]

Just realized that Synq is equally skilled to Odablock in pvp because he actually killed him that one time.

Oda just has better muscle memory since he’s done it more

[sacred oracle]

i can't believe how much synq has blown up

[severe pasture]

thats such a good analogy

[sacred oracle]

i love him

[severe pasture]

I'm stealing it

[sacred oracle]

i was excited to see him featured in official blog post

i need to finish his solo cox guide fr

[severe pasture]

does it require skill to do same thing for tremendous amount of hours even tho you're not enjoying it?

[tacit pendant]

I have never seen lebron tick manip barb fish and yet hes still being brought up in the goat conversation smh

[spark folio]

ISn't that just called work?

[carmine junco]

No, it requires a willingness to put up with boredom, which is a different trait.

And why should we accept that the best activity has to be the most boring?

[late furnace]

because they did it, so everyone after has to as well

[severe pasture]

willingness does not push you to complete your goal, just to start it

[carmine junco]

That's the point I'm making. It could be fun, which in case you've forgotten, is because this is a game.

[severe pasture]

nobody as to do 3t btw

[late furnace]

they've forgotten, you can tell by this conversation lol

[spark folio]

You don't have to. I refuse to level my range by chinning in tunells afk. Cos I actually want to play the game and level

[carmine junco]

Yes

[spark folio]

Just because something is the "best" doesn't mean you have to do it

[carmine junco]

Different argument, next.

[severe pasture]

I have 99 fishing on 4 accounts

[carmine junco]

Irrelevant, next.

[ocean cypress]

I think players who like tick manipulation methods can keep doing those methods. I don't have any problem with that.

I am interested to see a Fishing method that provides similar XP rates to tick manipulation methods. And maybe the Leechfin fishing could be that, possibly.

It might not, but I'm curious about it nonetheless.

[severe pasture]

all of then I did from around 80 -99 2t harpoon fishing

every single second

[carmine junco]

Irrelevant, next.

[severe pasture]

if you don't enjoy something

doesn't mean other people dont

it is relevant

[severe pasture]

.

I had fun

[spark folio]

^ it's a game. Do what you enjoy

[severe pasture]

^

[spark folio]

Literally no one cares about max efficiency unless you're a hyper competetive 1%er

[severe pasture]

people want to slug their ways to the top

while getting a insane ammount of xp in top of it

[spark folio]

Exactly. I'm grinding range at Vorkath, because I want to do Vorkath and get stuff. Not get quintuple the xp rate but feel like I've done nothing

[severe pasture]

thats fire

I got from 94-99 range doing toa

[austere mulch]

Jagex clearly does to an extent, otherwise they wouldn’t go out of their way to “protect” high intensity methods by creating equal xp alternatives that are completely afk

[minor whale]

Irrelevant! Next!

[spark folio]

Shiii I need to do that. TOA looks fire

[severe pasture]

zebak is insane for xp

he have such a massive ammount of xp bonus

[spark folio]

I can see an argument for it on both sides honestly. There should be reward for more intensive methods. but not everyone has the capability to do those methods

[spark folio]

Bet. I'm gonna do the quests to unlock it today. Only like 6 quests left to QC so I gotta do it anyway

[severe pasture]

Scurrius is something that we should always keep in mind

is a high intensity high xp reward xp gathering method

[spark folio]

Scurrius honestly is giga good. Teaches basic PVM, good XP rates

[carmine junco]

Thanks for putting words on my mouth, I wouldn't have said this.

[spark folio]

Excellent XP once you do it a few times for spine

[carmine junco]

And in fact I didn't.

[severe pasture]

I think those are the kind of things that should come not to bypass but to go alongside the same xp/hr as 3t manipulation

''It could be fun,''

never forget

[spark folio]

Yeah, Honestly I don't see an issue with things being bought in to bring XP in line with 3t

[severe pasture]

its always fun for someone

[spark folio]

People who 3t are still gonna do it. And people who can't (like me) can see get good XP

[carmine junco]

Great, I'm glad you think that. But be for real if you genuinely think most people find it fun as it currently is.

[severe pasture]

but they are not obliged to do it, there is no place in the entire game that the only way to get efficient xp/hr is 3t

[spark folio]

For sure, there are certainly skills that improve with 3t though. WC and fishing being the big two iirc

[ocean cypress]

There's probably some players who do tick manipulation for fun. And others who don't find it fun but do it for the XP rates.
An alternative for anyone who doesn't find it fun but want to put in some equivalent effort for similar rates, I think would be helpful.

[spark folio]

Neither of which are crucial anyway unless you're an IM

[severe pasture]

yet you still can train with great xp/reward/hr with tempoross and great xp/hr with afk barb fishing

same for cutting teak with forestry events

[spark folio]

Absolutely. no argument with that

[severe pasture]

and thats the fun of it, you're never obliged to do anything you don't enjoy

[spark folio]

Yep, it's a game. Not real life

[carmine junco]

This is what I'm saying. We could have something better and more interesting to engage with

[spark folio]

I agree with that too

[severe pasture]

I say the same

[spark folio]

As someone who can't do repetitive hand movements consistantly. Having something else that isn't so reptitive but requires as much focus is good

[ocean cypress]

I agree!

[severe pasture]

lets start buffing sepulchre xp/hr ❤️

[carmine junco]

Sep is already bis and is good content though

[ocean cypress]

Oh for Agility, I think there could probably be some alternative methods

Maybe some Sepulchre-lite courses scattered elsewhere.

[spark folio]

Is sep actually any good? I've never done it myself

[austere mulch]

I think the bottleneck really is just dialing in on what jagex wants the top end of xp to be

Fishing for example, I don’t see any issue with adding a new HI method that reaches upwards of 140-150k xp/hr at 99 (compared to 125ish? Of 2t swords) and alongside that, a 70k afk method

[carmine junco]

One of the island proposals had something like this

[austere mulch]

But I can see where the tension lies having a 70-80k afk method with top end fishing capping at where it currently does

[carmine junco]

For lower levels, before you could do sepulchre

[severe pasture]

there is also karambwans for fishing

I really don't see why fishing is getting more love

[carmine junco]

I like it a lot

[austere mulch]

FWIW I hated 99 fishing every time I did it. Just feels slow for what it is, even with 2t swords

[spark folio]

Is it efficient at 70 agi? Or should I wait till like 80?

[severe pasture]

crafting is also on a very weird spot, mainly for irons

realistically you only have one path for 99

[carmine junco]

Technically it is bis from the level you can access it, but imo it doesn't really get fun until you have access to floor 3

[spark folio]

Killing vork for hides and making bodies?

[austere mulch]

Like in my head, fishing and WC are adjacent. And maybe that’s a poor opinion to have

So I’m not a fan of 2t fishing capping below 130 but 2t teaks being upwards of 180

[severe pasture]

yeah I went into that rout of thinking

thats around 1,100 - 1,500 crafting xp per hr

per kill*

[spark folio]

Oooo 72 agi. i'll grind it out

[spark folio]

More with all the noted blackd'hides he drops

[austere mulch]

Bit annoying at first, but after getting competent at f5, it became my favorite skilling activity

[carmine junco]

Yeah it's a skill for sure

[severe pasture]

thats on avarage

[carmine junco]

Satisfying to be good at

[austere mulch]

I stopped thinking of agil as xp/hr and would more be like “oh let me go do 3 runs. That’s 40k xp right there” then go do something else

[severe pasture]

you get 140 garanteed per kill, since 1 blue=70 crafting xp

[spark folio]

I'll definately have to go it a go

[severe pasture]

you can also get ''unlucky'' and have around 900-1k xp per kill

[spark folio]

That;s very true

[severe pasture]

but crafting is not that bad as a role

the only sad part is that we didn't got a new seaweed spot within the entire sailing skill

[carmine junco]

Crafting is in a strange spot. I have the seaweed banked for 99 and I'm just waiting for Bert to fill my bank with sand

[spark folio]

Same for me and cooking. 65k grapes

[carmine junco]

But I'm also gathering gems and other crafting xp at the same time from cox and w/e

[severe pasture]

I saw they talking about some ''clay golens'' crafting method with the new island release

that sounds fun

[carmine junco]

Yeah. Would be nice to have a dedicated activity. And I still hope they go forward with the proposal for it and consume furs

[tacit pendant]

When new island though, that would be a nice lil treat to break up the main game drought

[carmine junco]

Can't remember the roadmap but I'm not expecting it until after BMR

They haven't polled anything related to it yet, or put out any blogs about the planned activities.

I would imagine it landing in between that and the raid but idk

[tacit pendant]

Ouch

Really could just take a break and come back in june huh

[hard axle]

we have nothing until june MINIMUM

btw, they buffed zulrah 😭

on main game

[carmine junco]

If you've nothing else to do I guess, yeah. I still have other goals I'm working on

[carmine junco]

Wha?

[tacit pendant]

In what way

[hard axle]

He does 50% more venom damage from clouds

[carmine junco]

Ouch

[tacit pendant]

Great

[hard axle]

Leagues added a second venom damage splat

nhally afkers noticed

[hard axle]

but yeah, this is super annoying on top of the lack of perma content

I have stuff to do, but

[austere mulch]

I don’t think it’d happen, but it’d be hilarious if runefest announced the release date for raid 4 to be January 2027 + two more temp game modes, but this time spaced out by Q1 and Q3 or Q2 and Q4

Zero rewards blogs yet when they want to do them one at a time seems not great

[hard axle]

yeah minimum june for maggot king, but could easily be delayed until july or post summer summit

[minor whale]

If we have to wait for July I'm for the first time ever not maintaining my bond

I'll let it run out if I gotta wait an additional 2 months for anything new

[austere mulch]

I’m fully expecting a good eye roll at suspected announcement of the next temp game mode from the summer summit

Gridmaster 2 coming soon!

I think we need a year break from temp modes after these two b2b

[minor whale]

Don't forget we have a Sweep-up and the official bingo coming!

I'm sure it'll be so good /s

[austere mulch]

Can’t wait for more +15% water weaknesses to get added to npcs

[carmine junco]

In case you're unaware, the focus of the sweep up seems to be gathering activities.

Or at least a focus of it

[austere mulch]

Yeah ik, just mostly memes

Since ele weakness was a big focus and largely irrelevant component of the last big one

[carmine junco]

The previous years sweep ups were genuinely some of the best changes to the game in recent memory, so I'm looking forward to the next one as well.

And I wouldn't say ele weaknesses are irrelevant at all, they're great for the game.

For some npcs they're little more than flavor but in a lot of cases they're just nice to have

[austere mulch]

Ele weakness isn’t irrelevant in principle. The result of the changes are largely irrelevant

[tacit wharf]

when u dont lean into those weakness, it becomes a nothing burger

[austere mulch]

Also the obvious concern with last sweep ups is if you tackle all of the biggest items in one, you don’t have much to do in the next

And they took care of a lot of grievances with the previous one

That’s not a bad thing fwiw

[carmine junco]

I don't know if that's true. There's a lot of old and untouched things in the game that can use a touch up.

[austere mulch]

Ideal world would be sweepups become unnecessary

[carmine junco]

Well yeah, but I don't think we're close to that yet

[tough nacelle]

It’s worse that they said it was the most ambitious winter summit yet, meanwhile it’s maybe one piece of content that we’ll see this year ends. I’ll eat my shorts if we get raids before December

[carmine junco]

Why would we? The roadmap has it for winter, and December is the first month of winter?

[hard axle]

doubt it tbh, it was like 6-7 months after shadow was proposed and over a year after ToA was first announced that it was launched.

Unlike ToA, the mechanics aren't likely to be as babied, so more testing is needed too.

[carmine junco]

I think people forget that November is part of fall

[tough nacelle]

It’s just a lot of hype despite a price increase, and only one new piece of content

Summer sweep ups are great but they’re kind of the expectation with a live service game

[round lintel]

The fact that we dont have a clear reward blog yet talks alot on ho late the raid is gonna be. Although I prefer them takung their time to make sure is good

[tacit wharf]

this would be the time that they'd be sitting down and hashing raid 4 rewards, as league sis going on and there is downtime

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-tiger-woods-big-dog-salutation-what-up-gif-2478767235926945002

The time to let it run out was like three months ago, welcome to the club

[minor whale]

I usually do premier/20 bond thing every summer when it used to start

So it runs out end of June

If it's not released by then I'm just not resubbing yearly anymore

I can tank the gp hit if it means I get to skip entire months without content

[restive storm]

Feel like I won’t really have content to play again til probably 2027 earliest post raid release, guess maybe I’ll do the dumb vampire quest but can’t imagine sticking around to really do much with the quest area

[true talon]

As a pvper expecting new content, you might want to not sub at all.

And i wonder how they are going to allow pures and limited accounts to do the raids 4

[gritty frigate]

Where are the leagues updates??!!

[minor whale]

Tomorrow

[restive storm]

Yeah I’m not subbed, I’ll do the quest when that’s out cuz at least it’s something to do but wouldn’t stick around after that I’m sure, maybe I’ll do some raids on the main when that’s out but that’s only maybe a month or so of content at most

[obsidian venture]

Holy there was some cute noob chatting earlier 😂😂

@minor whale bless your mental

[stoic epoch]

Perdu in falador (leagues) doesnt sell anything that the others do. so no avas or whatever

[carmine junco]

Which perdu sells avas? My one in the wildy does not

[stoic epoch]

doesnt the kandarin

[carmine junco]

Pretty sure it only sells thing you have available in your regions

[stoic epoch]

ive seen others have it in kandarin

[carmine junco]

Yeah, seems like those in the fremmy and kandarin regions get it

[austere mulch]

There are people who picked fremmy?

[carmine junco]

One has to imagine

[austere mulch]

Gotta be lonely out there

[carmine junco]

Some spec builds surely went for helm? Idk. Def a turnaround from last time

It's the kandarin of this league

[austere mulch]

I wonder if anyone out there is with zeah fremmy + Asgarnia? Not sure what’d be worse as a 3rd between that and desert

[obsidian venture]

Doing wildy/asg/zeah

Idk what build you’d do with those three you listed tho

[carmine junco]

Best I can think is some kind of melee spec build, or a melee thorns maybe?

[stoic epoch]

lvl 3 skillers

lv l 3 skillers prob do frem / asg / zeah lol

[obsidian venture]

Well you get the cerb weapon and helm ig

So melee build ideal

Zeah bow is ass

[stoic epoch]

i wish we could imbue the magic shortbow

would be a reasonable buff for bow build hah

[carmine junco]

You can if you took wildy I guess

Though if you're in the wildy why are you not getting the kbd barrage

[tacit pendant]

Frem is decent if you just want points. I wasn't seeing any super ass tasks there

Fun vs quickest points routes probably look very different

[timber stag]

fist of Guthix
I thought fist of Guthix was a pretty fun mini game and would like to see it's return, I don't really recall a lot of the rewards. But the fishing gloves, I need a pair of those! That was my original motivation to train fishing from the get-go. And I was wondering if we can possibly get those back added to the game.

[nocturne solstice]

Dont those gloves just give you a bunch of extra xp for fishing with nothing else going on? It's basically an amulet of free exp isn't it? That just crumble after it's run out of charges.

[safe tulip]

Is the leviathan tele being fixed?

[nocturne solstice]

is it on the list?

[safe tulip]

I didn't see it but I can check again

I dont see it listed

[nocturne solstice]

maybe not this week then

whats the issue?

[austere mulch]

of all the backport requests FOG sits faaaaar below stealing creation on the popularity list.

Doubt we'd get either, but in a world where we got both, SC would prob come first

[minor bison]

is the quiver getting fixed tomorrow

losing bolts with 110% regen :^ )

[tacit wharf]

do u have it in the ammo slot or the quiver slot?

[minor bison]

i have a blessing on too is that the issue

[tacit wharf]

heard someone say, it only works in the ammo slot

[minor bison]

if i just remove the blessing it will work

or quiver is just totally broken

oooooooh shit

its workign again

its the blessing

moves it into the broken slot

[tacit wharf]

blessing was in the bottom slot wasnt it

[minor bison]

yes

[tacit wharf]

glad we got that sorted

[minor bison]

actual game changer i can finally use my dragon bolts

ty

[near widget]

did anyone have an estimate on when the upgraded gem bag will be released?

I forgot how much of a time there was between herb sack upgrade being polled and release

[near widget]

oh nice, it could be in like 1-2 weeks

[wanton kayak]

Any update on thorns not working on echo thermy?

[stuck crest]

is there the pact buff update today?

[scenic quest]

When is the update for today?

[tulip saffron]

Will the update be instant?

[umbral coral]

40 min to go and no update timer?

[worldly field]

not sure, hopefully the reset token is with it today

[minor spear]

When is the weekly update time?

[chrome lantern]

Isn't it usually an hour from now? Wouldn't be a timer yet.

[obtuse hedge]

#leagues-news says it's meant to be now

[chrome lantern]

ic

Probably a typo

This week's update will also be happening on Thursday instead of Wednesday this week. This will be at the regular time with the regular downtime, just a day later.
See the post from earlier this week

[dusky yoke]

#game-news message

[meager flame]

should be like right now right

its usually a 45 minute timer

[minor spear]

BANG

TIMER UP

[deep pebble]

🎉

[minor spear]

been waiting for 10% damage so i can smash toa

[sacred oracle]

Teleporting by using an Ancient Magicks spell while under the effect of a Goblin Potion no longer causes stretching.

disaster

[minor spear]

finally no more nerds at ge looking ugly

[snow berry]

https://tenor.com/view/vader-noooo-gif-4825231

[timber drift]

dad gamers win again XD

[nova dock]

Do we have patch notes for what is going in today? I wanted to know if any of the bugs for King's Barrage would be fixed yet (water pacts not working, damage reductions being applied twice, ranged immunities working on the magic damage)

[hard axle]

No mention of the zulrah bug in the main game being fixed. I’ll test it later.

[meager flame]

they also didnt mention some other weird stuff happening in the league

like thermy combat achievement completion not registering and ammo regen not working with some weapons

[jaunty bough]

Let's hope they did more than the list

[meager flame]

i also think they're being far too slow to help out some underperforming demonic pacts

i get not nerfing anything but not buffing the stuff thats actually bad is kind of weird

[jaunty bough]

My thorns seems to be broken though atm

Oh I had no shield on...

[minor spear]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/leagues-vi-changes?oldschool=1

[ancient ember]

These are already know and in our Know Issues list, anything you don't see on this update will be handled in future updates 🙏 https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/leagues-vi-demonic-pacts---fixes--issues?oldschool=1

Ammo regen from Quiver should be fixed with this game update

[nova dock]

Doesn't look like it, a shame :(
but it seems like there aren't echo weapon fixes for things I've seen/made bug reports for so maybe next week

[ancient ember]

Please also check out the Known Issues blog post, which also includes hotfixes already deployed before the game update ❤️ https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/leagues-vi-demonic-pacts---fixes--issues?oldschool=1

[minor spear]

Can we enable G.E with this update?

I'm tired of grinding boss

[nova dock]

Are there more official bug reporting channels than the leagues discord?

[meager flame]

what about things like ammo regen from things like blowpipes

actually i see it there to be investigated

[hard axle]

I don’t see the Zulrah bug on Known Issues, could you add it soon?

[meager flame]

honestly kinda unfortunate most of this stuff probably wont be fixed until after im done with the league

[snow berry]

Why did you have to get rid of the fun stretching glitch 🙁 (also: the clue contract doesn't work for the hard clue step in sorcerer's tower, it teles you to an inaccessible spot where you can't get out or search the bookcase)

[ancient ember]

Could you give me more specifics about the Zulrah bug please so I can share with the team?

[severe tundra]

how long she down for

[hybrid olive]

yeah ^ anyone know

[void folio]

seem like not all of echo cerberus' attacks trigger thorns, i hope this gets fixed

[severe tundra]

no sorry that would be asking too much

[mild fossil]

i cant wait for the new leagues update

so many more easy points

[tropic kelp]

yeyye

[nocturne solstice]

Update should just be instant or a few minutes

just try opening it up again once the update hits

close and launch again from jagex launcher

[snow berry]

RIP goblin stretch glitch 🙁

[minor spear]

Let me in!

[nocturne solstice]

Its already back up dude

[timber drift]

deepfin shop has been FIXED thank you for swift justice this time jagex (just a shame about the pact points)

[hybrid olive]

actually

[nocturne solstice]

yes

[minor spear]

It was just runelite bugging out for me :p

[hard axle]

#game-update message

Right here, I have image as well of the bug.

Thanks again

[manic aurora]

Mobile is broken no inventory buttons show up

[visual lintel]

Endless harvest still doesn't follow minnow spots...

[tame wave]

Attacking with the Drygore blowpipe disconnects you from the game 🥲

[minor spear]

@nocturne solstice

[nocturne solstice]

Report that bug in-game by right clicking the red report button near chat and selecting "Report game bug"

Jmods also peekin around so they might spot your message there too 👀

[tame wave]

Already done!

[scenic quest]

Also having my friend dcing from drygore, was about to reach out

[nocturne solstice]

keep those reports a comin

[frigid goblet]

i just dced from drygore

[scenic quest]

🙂‍↕️

[ancient ember]

We're looking into this now 🙏

[thorn heart]

Im having a bug where no matter what no slayer master is assigning me tasks i press the button and it does nothing just figured id let someone know I also put in a ticket in game

[minor spear]

dced at warden with drygore rip

[ancient ember]

Heyo! What Slayer Master were you using and what areas you have unlocked pls?

[thorn heart]

Kandarin and Tirannwn tried two different slayer masters nieve and durel

[tender harness]

Oh updates
And its leagues main game still nothing

[frigid goblet]

how do we find out when the blowpipe is fixed haha

im outa respecs

[restive storm]

PAIN

another week down 😢

[tiny moth]

are konar tasks in leagues bugged?

I keep getting assignments outside of regions I unlocked from konar

[tender harness]

Its okay leagues won't detract from the main game don't worry
And yet here we are

[delicate glen]

Yes, it's being looked into by the team

[wise bramble]

Echo Thermy's basic attacks still don't proc thorns when you pray/stand correctly.

[meager flame]

i think you may be confused about what the main game is now

temp modes have been the clear focus for months

im sure they'll get back to updating the side game though

one day

[tender harness]

The main game is the one I pay $14.99 a month for that actually matters, not leagues.
Leagues is fun for a bit but it should not be taking time away from the actual game which it cleay does. Part of the reason I dislike leagues as of late because main game which is not leagues sees less updates

[meager flame]

ya most of us would rather have gotten actual updates this year i think

but im just a dmm and league player

its all they give me

[tender harness]

People can spin it however they want but these temp game modes are a detriment right now

[meager flame]

oh for sure its just like last time

lol

a few years ago they did the same thing and dropped either a blog or stream addressing how they know they'd neglected the main game

and we went on a minibreak from leagues

only for us to swoop back through and do it all again

[faint scarab]

Id take leagues over any main game update

[tiny moth]

I'm having fun on leagues

[meager flame]

yeah me too i think leagues are fun

i just know i'd rather get good content for the real game personally

[tame wave]

Leagues discord said it's a Quiver issue and they weren't encountering disconnects when using blowpipe without quiver

[meager flame]

since its clearly and either or situation

and they cannot do both

[tiny moth]

to each their own I am so far from end game on my iron that I don't personally need more regular updates for a loooong time

[tame wave]

Personally I'm always happy to grind out leagues mainly due to it having a preset task list, maingame feels too open at times and I end up logging in doing a few raids and hopping off.

[tiny moth]

I've never even done a raid on my iron. Went 1600 kc for bowfa and needed a long break after I got it. This leagues has brought me back to the game though

[faint scarab]

its a very refreshing break

[meager flame]

personally i think the biggest problem that they're having is just the content pacing/scheduling

[tame wave]

But I understand the general want for updates to the actual game rather than temporary modes, many people don't see a point in temp modes cause they gain no progress on the maintamei

[meager flame]

it wouldn't look as crazy if we didn't go 6 months with the only substantial updates being dmm and a league

[tiny moth]

lol "waste of xp" taken a little too seriously

you can play leagues just because leagues is fun. Doesn;t need to meaninfully progress your account

[meager flame]

they basically released sailing and that was that for the main game until i guess blood moon rises

[faint scarab]

its been a year and a half since the last leagues, it hasnt taken much away

[meager flame]

so its gonna be awhile

[tiny moth]

are leagues always gonna be like every 1.5-2 years? or is it supposed to be yearly?

[meager flame]

they don't really define it that way

[nocturne solstice]

its normally yearly

sometimes they miss it becauseof one reason or another

[faint scarab]

they were yearly before but i guess it depends on quality and changes

[nocturne solstice]

i think we missed it last year due to gridmaster or something else

[meager flame]

they were yearly but

then we had the year where they didnt really release main game content and they said maybe leagues shouldn't be yearly