game-update

[obsidian venture]

But they absolutely do a bad job almost every time with stuff on release and then it takes months to adjust

[full shell]

Honestly, not everyone is going to speedrun to 99. I only did because I was maxed and wanted the cape back.

[obsidian venture]

It’s ok to release little at time with minor drawbacks then just gaps

With huge and glaring issues

[winged mantle]

They haven't really delivered on a solid piece of content (on release) since a long time ago

[full shell]

The release itself doesn’t have a massive amount of content but it did the job for the release. It’ll be way more polished overtime.

[obsidian venture]

This game can be described as “just wait till it gets better”

[hard axle]

and I agree with @minor whale.

Defending Jagex when they are 50-100x the team size, but delivering content at the same speed as a 3-20 team, while also upping the price is just stupid as fuck.

It's the whole fatass saying "leave the multibillion corporate alone" meme

[hard axle]

Yama was dropped and announced out of the blue iirc.

And that one had problems up the wazoo lol

[full shell]

They’re definitely focusing on the temporary game modes which is why the roadmap looks less appealing to you and Pyro, and yes Yama was announced randomly.

[meager flame]

its because

[hard axle]

Defending cannons is dumb

[meager flame]

yama and doom were supposed to be flipped most likely

but doom rewards had 9/11 level controversy and they had to do something

[full shell]

Where am I defending cannons in this statement lmfao? I’m literally saying what I think they were trying to do but it didn’t work.

[hard axle]

They didn't solve anything with the slowness imo

iirc, someone roughed out the math and it was a nerf?

the only benefit is you dont have to

anymore

[full shell]

Did you read the whole convo or just my comments? The whole point of that conversation was that slower cannons were the right way to go but they didn’t do it correctly.

They did some weird shit which made no sense.

[hard axle]

The only fix was just outright buffing it, not make it slower + stronger ngl. It's also healthier that way because you're actually consuming more cannonballs.

They just replicated the Ancient Essence issue again imo.

[meager flame]

the problem they're having is that trying to give us avas and slow it down was trying to up the ammo efficiency

[full shell]

Cannons should’ve always been a secondary method of DPS because there’s really no way they can effectively make cannons useful as a primary output of damage.

I’m glad they at least realized that.

[meager flame]

but someone failed at like giga basic math and the speed reduction was a larger nerf than the buff to strength on the cannonballs

and its so easy that the mistake is absurd

[hard axle]

yup, more oomph per ball, in exchange for not needing as many balls, while leaving the drop sources the same lol

22k addy cballs and 10k rune cballs form 4.2k gryphon

[meager flame]

i mean im fine with that part because its still twice as bad as any other ammo probably more than that

the part i dont get is how they nerfed the dps

without meaning to

that shit blows my mind

[hard axle]

It's sprinkled throughout sailing-related content, but they basically confirmed that no one will be smithing this

Hence why I mention it's just Ancient Essence again, but not as severe.

[winged mantle]

Wonder what the dps comparison is from cballs to blowpipe. Why spend resources on cballs when you get more for dart tips and faster damage

[meager flame]

i just think they're out of their minds when it comes to the cannonball smithing rates from like

basic materials

just math wise it didn't pass the sanity check at all on release

to put it into perspective

[full shell]

Im assuming for those who don’t play as much and want to afk

[meager flame]

you got 4 cannonballs per bar at 0% recovery rate

[full shell]

But it’s interesting that they release a method to make cannonballs but automatically kill it in favor of killing things to get more of the resource.

[hard axle]

As usual, pvm is the best passive source

[meager flame]

then you look at arrows

you get 15 arrows at 80% recovery per bar

what in the fuck were they even thinking with cannonballs lmao

[full shell]

Is cannonball smithing still slow as hell?

[hard axle]

slow, low numbers, etc.

[meager flame]

yeah

[full shell]

lol

[hard axle]

I think it's fine it's less per bar tbh

cuz think about it

[full shell]

Idk they always release skilling content that is automatically dead content on release because PVM is the better method

[hard axle]

dwarf can potentially launch 5-6 balls

in the same time you shoot once with sailing cannon

u use far less sailing balls than dwarf balls, even before any ammo recovery

outside of dragon balls, u were largely fine with it

[meager flame]

its just wild to me that they would even like

suggest those numbers lol

and i think they're really stuck on this idea that steel cannonballs are valuable for the other cannon and thus everything is at the same rate they are

and i have no idea why

just let us make the other kinds faster/better

[chrome lantern]

They still haven't said a word about the atrocious burn rates

[chrome lantern]

And the other side of the coin is "abuse early and often" on stuff like extractor, drop tables, etc... even milk alch price

[meager flame]

the funniest thing to me about sailing is how for awhile there when i actually tried to do sailing combat

is me and every other maxed player would swoop down on the cannonball vendor on any server restart at like 5am

and instantly buy out every world for mith cannonballs

because it was the only reasonable thing to do in the entire game

[chrome lantern]

3.3k gp per smithed rune ball...

[meager flame]

tbh

its probably still the only reasonable thing to do lmao

but theres an even better play

just dont do sailing combat

[round lintel]

the complete barrows set diary task is one of the worst tasks ever

[tacit wharf]

why

[meager flame]

i do kind of agree that its really rough today compared to in the past

[round lintel]

at 250 kc not a complete set and went 100 dry for a single item

xd

[meager flame]

it used to be a lot more reasonable to do enough barrows to end up with a set

but now that moons exists

[tacit wharf]

so

[meager flame]

its kind of not part of the natural progression of your account anymore

[tacit wharf]

u want to complete a dairy task u have to kinda, u know, work for it a little

[meager flame]

so i could see some people getting frustrated

although in the super long term view you'd probably appreciate having access to stuff like full dharok

once in awhile

[tacit wharf]

id take completing a single barrows set, over just about any elite task

shit is easy

[meager flame]

but yeah for like a regular run through for most people you'd just not do that much barrows anymore

[round lintel]

work a little or go 30-100 hours for a single task that shouldnt even be that punishing

sure luck exists

[tacit wharf]

wow a 100 hrs, thats a little excessive

[meager flame]

it felt better back when people would actually go run barrows like that and probably use the chaos runes from there to make their zenyte stuff etc

but moons kinda just dropped a bomb on all of that

[chrome lantern]

Took me 650 chests for Torag as my only set

[meager flame]

i think its only really questionable now because its coming so far outside of what playing normally looks like

[round lintel]

650 chests to finish a set saying you killed them in max and have lockpicks thats about 16 chests an hr

40 hrs

on avg

[chrome lantern]

I did not have max at the time, and shadow didn't even exist yet

[meager flame]

back when i green logged barrows for the love of the game or something just because i could

that was excessive but just going to barrows was a lot more acceptable and made a lot more sense

[chrome lantern]

Think I was using a regular trident because I was cheaping on scales tbh, dumb in hindsight

[round lintel]

even worst and ACE said 100 hrs was excessive

[winged mantle]

If the full barrows set was the length of all lvl 5 roles at ba that would be fine

[meager flame]

these days its super out of pocket to do barrows for more than like

tank chest and legs

[winged mantle]

A full set of barrows items would be ok tbh

Any barrows mismatched

[chrome lantern]

The other 70 or so chests were for bingos, only like 1-2 more drops in that time

[meager flame]

idk how or why i even did what i did at barrows

it was like 1200-1300 idr for the green log

probably nostalgia just because i used to do barrows all day in 2006

[round lintel]

@chrome lantern nobody knows me and sorry to give you work can you make a suggestion to this?

[chrome lantern]

Suggestion for what

Changing the diary task?

[round lintel]

yeah

mismatch

or something along those lines

[meager flame]

im not even sure how to change it tbh if it were me

[chrome lantern]

The easy answer would just be allow mismatched but 1 item in every slot sure, idk if that's ideal

[meager flame]

i'd probably try to come up with a way to put barrows back into account progression

[chrome lantern]

The real issue is that it just like

Is an achievement diary version of the worst CAs that exist

Where it doesn't really even make sense to be a task it's just a random gear restriction

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/I'm_your_son

[meager flame]

like maybe barrows just isn't rewarding enough and making it so you dont feel bad about being out there grinding through it

[chrome lantern]

Why is this a task

[meager flame]

would fix it

[winged mantle]

The diary task should have been the barrows ca

[chrome lantern]

Even tasks like KQ Verac flail and Hydra <10hp you're better off using normal gear with the weapon

But yeah the "easy" solutions could be "open the chest with a full set of barrows armor or with > x chests opened"

[meager flame]

that hydra one made me so mad i didnt know you could lose a 50/50 that many times in a row on the first attack lol

[chrome lantern]

But idk

[chrome lantern]

1 hp -> tick eat a guthix rest/sardine

No rng

[meager flame]

and then i immediately killed hydra the first time i was praying the right thing on the first hit

yeah i could have but i just assumed theres no way it could go wrong that many times

little did i know

its like how i have 5 inq chests and no helms or skirts

crazy stuff happens sometimes

[round lintel]

only dh i have is helm

[chrome lantern]

Anyway for the barrows set one it definitely makes more sense as a diary task than as a CA

But both forms suck

[round lintel]

no veracs flail

those CAs I cant really get em

[chrome lantern]

Diary tasks are meant to be challenges related to the flavor of the various content in the area

So thematically, especially with GE, the full set is kinda trivial but still dumb

My real answer is that I would just move the task to something other than barrows

Barrows isn't elite diary tier content

Replace it with a Hallowed Sepulcher task

Floor 4 or 5

[meager flame]

my pnm log is legit insane though so i shouldn't complain

like completely cracked

[round lintel]

yeah def a grand coffin loot

[chrome lantern]

The consequence of that would be that you would move diary cape up by 7 agility levels

Which is why 4, while less logical from a task perspective, might be selected instead

Since Sepulcher floors are unboostable

You could also move the task to killing Araxxor or something

That would be 87+wild pie+spider task

Heck, make it a ToB clear

That's probably the most in-line with what we see with Kourend elite and actually at the tier of an elite diary

Non-entry, ofc

[round lintel]

actually not bad specially cuz cox has its own elite CA

Diary*

[meager flame]

i kind of agree but i see why they dont

big difference between some terrible cox clear and being told to get 1 tob kc

cant throw bodies at tob

[chrome lantern]

Oh no, not an elite diary task actually having any form of challenge!

I do get it though

But yeah overall I think there's just many things that are more representative of the elite diary than Barrows.
Hallowed Sepulcher
Araxxor
(Phosani's) Nightmare
Theater of Blood

[round lintel]

the thing is that the diary was made when ironman mode didnt even exist i think

[chrome lantern]

The difference between the barrows task and KQ head also being that there's no cutoff for just one diary task

[chrome lantern]

2015 ye

I looked :)

[round lintel]

so yeah now is a painful task for a vast majority of players

specially since moons came out

[hard axle]

Still think solo tob should be a CA now

[chrome lantern]

Surprised there isn't a CA to complete ToB but be wearing full Justiciar

[hard axle]

[round lintel]

Morytania only

[hard axle]

ah, u mean tob but a 15% dps decrease

[round lintel]

horrible CA

[chrome lantern]

See Morytania Only is actually more logical because it has a reason for existing

And you don't have to get items from that same place to do it xd

That said

The weapon choices available can make it suck a bit if you don't happen to get the weapons you'd want for the CA

I haven't done the CA personally

but afaik the spear is the one you want right

Then obv karil crossbow for nylo

Kinda limits roles

[round lintel]

Noice

[chrome lantern]

Anyway back to original statement.

Change Elite Diary task for barrows set.
Move it to a different content, or let you mismatch gear items, or make some sort of KC cutoff, etc.

[round lintel]

Ive seen you people interact alot with your suggestions

can you make one?

[chrome lantern]

I kinda need to go to sleep rn tbh xd

[round lintel]

awn

[chrome lantern]

If I were making a post though, I'd get a screenshot in mismatched barrows armor for a thumbnail post, throw in some numbers for kph and statistics on expected time to complete a set, show how that scales even further with worse gear, then slam in the alternatives.

[winged mantle]

Hard to make suggestions when jagex is drowing

[chrome lantern]

Heck maybe even contrast it with time to complete KQ head as a parallel/comparison

Anyway gn

[round lintel]

so sad my next grinds before leagues are = getting this stupid barrows set and 20k frost dragons for a skiff and a sloop

Not to mention in leagues V it took me exactly 200 barrows to get the diary task done

xd

justified hate for this task

[pallid cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/minthara-puppy-eyes-baldurs-gate-3-sad-plead-gif-15863801153396439091

[woven thicket]

personally I would rather something like make opening the chest (no full set required) a hard task
make a new elite task, pickpocket a vyre in darkmeyer OR complete TOB

[meager flame]

tbf

i dont even know if that task needs to be changed in the first place

i'd like for barrows to be more normal for irons to begin with but

i have a hard time seeing it as a real problem

mory elite is one of those things that's super extremely optional in the first place

[oblique mesa]

dead link in game

[tender peak]

refresh the page

T1 relics revealed

they actually look pretty good imo

[solar juniper]

Huh....leagues teasers/updates be getting a fair bitta hate this time around. usually leagues posts go down well. wonder whats changed.

[tender peak]

some people are starting to realize that they're tired of the trailblazer identity

personally, I still enjoy it

it's also worth noting that a lot of people are just. Mad about price changes and will be mad at every update

[solar juniper]

see i was thinking that but that would only just throw hate at posts after the announcement, which appears to be the case. could have swore i saw some leagues posts before that with more thumbs down than up but that may have been before it "settled"

[tender harness]

people are mad right now because of
price changes
and the absolute stinker of the update that followed the price hike

[untold edge]

im a huge fan of Leagues and dragoned each one ive played but its clear that despite what they claimed, these temp game modes are sacrificing resources from main game content. so im just not happy with that and would gladly put the breaks on these modes for more main game love. that and the timed price hike is just souring my care for the game

[tender harness]

and ^

they are putting too much priority on temp game modes

to be blunt

[tender peak]

I think leagues specifically deserves a bit of dev time

[untold edge]

they said it wouldnt take away resources yet in the last 4.5 months all we got was a f2p quest and npc

[south void]

I'd have preferred bingo integration before another temp game mode, at least the clan would have enjoyed me putting on a bingo until blood moon rises and raids 4 comes out.

[tender peak]

dmm and gm don't get nearly as much pull

[tender harness]

GM was new like new new

dmm is just pvp which in this game

is fucking dead

I feel legit bad for pvpers

but they havent had a proper update in years

[untold edge]

GM was just a teaser for their bingo tech so i can let it slide. DMM just feels like a wasted investment tho

[tender harness]

they also had a discord for leagues lol which im pretty sure they closed or privated

[tender peak]

I think it still exists but like... whats the point lmao

[solar juniper]

holy crap, that second relic is just broken XD guess im going for that one since i afk skill more than pvm

[tender peak]

everything I saw there was people saying "yeah my strategy I copied from a youtuber will be the best strategy" and then burning out in exactly 2 weeks

[solar juniper]

still there, im in it.

[restive storm]

its so sad man 🙁

i want to like the game but jagex just not lettin me these days

[meager flame]

i mean it makes sense

if you play a league but aren't getting rank1 you'll hit dragon at about 2 weeks

and theres nothing left to do

[tender harness]

I just wish they would stop trying to push leagues yearly and by large all these other temp modes
main game is suffering too much

[minor whale]

Yeah even if you don't go super hard
Everything is so incredibly easy and fast in leagues you run out of stuff to do so fast

[south void]

Just like dmm. Got all 99's first week, then just logged on for breaches.

[tender peak]

honestly it seems comparable to endless harvest. it has the advantage of not requiring tools and the seperate success roll, but endless allows you to afk any hotspot and get double resources, which scales better into the late game when you've already got rune/dragon tools and high success rate at most hotspots

[meager flame]

i mean yeah im ngl i have fun with leagues sometimes but straight up

i'd rather have real content

[restive storm]

yeah, they def shoulda just buffed points across the board, like breach logging felt very lame

[tender peak]

I just wish they would focus on the one temp mode that actually pulls in players

[untold edge]

yeah weve had more temp game modes than main game updates in the last several months lol. Sailing was a huge one but still

[minor whale]

Especially since last League there's not really any HUGE changes to shake up anything

Doom and Yama, since no sailing

[meager flame]

they do have to fix that if they want leagues to be interesting

like

[untold edge]

and even then Sailing updates such as combat are only just now in their dev cycle

[meager flame]

you cant tell me im doing region locking repeatedly

that wont be interesting the 6th time i do it

[solar juniper]

im already doing a second agil grind on main game. im not doing another XD

[tender peak]

I do think they should have changed the formula a bit more tbh. A league doesn't need new content to be different than the last, it just needs different content

removing misthalin was a start

but not enough

and who knows! maybe there will be more changes

[meager flame]

i think they do it because they're trying to force more leagues than they have good ideas to make

its easier to repeatedly produce the leagues if you keep using the same gimmick

[restive storm]

yea leagues is kinda rough cuz i dont think u can really rerun the same one again and again, dmm way more replayable that i dont even think they gotta make that many changes to it

i wouldnt mind just replaying the same one

[tender peak]

I think I would prefer a "sailing only" league to this, but I also recognize that would be horrible without more sailing changes

[meager flame]

also i think not including sailing is kind of an L

its like hey remember that big update that actually changed the world

[untold edge]

they tested that with shattered relics and then the one league that locked skills but it seems clear Leagues needs some kind of regional or content restriction to be interesting

[meager flame]

yeah thats not included

[restive storm]

would be detrimental to the games reputation lol

[minor whale]

People already burnt out on leagues before it's even started

Sad state of affairs

[meager flame]

i mean maybe they'll surprise us

[minor whale]

If there was enough new content since last League people might be a bit more excited

[meager flame]

but i cant lie

it looks like trailblazer 4 but redder

so far

[minor whale]

Doing NEW stuff in a league is the fun and exciting part

[untold edge]

maybe Jagex shouldnt have three temp game modes in less than a year :p

[restive storm]

gotta appeal to those people who dont actually want to play the main game and need like 50x xp rates

the tiktok brainers

[minor whale]

Yeah nothing is new since Gridmaster to give a shit about

[meager flame]

i mean this is a good thing in a way

we can just not play if they bore us and it really is the same

they'll get the message

[solar juniper]

this is the first league with Varlamore, right?

[minor whale]

No

[tender peak]

leagues 5 had it

[restive storm]

i think the first good step is even yall pvmers in here are annoyed about the state of the game lol

[tender peak]

varlamore was released right at the end of leagues 4

[untold edge]

first one with it starting in Varla tho. good content for early irons

[meager flame]

well yeah everyone that actually enjoys the main game is annoyed if they know whats good for them

not many ways to slice not releasing content and treat it like its a good thing

[untold edge]

while asking for more money while doing less lol

[tender peak]

ok so yeah this was a stupid idea but I think I'd actually prefer smaller temp modes (of a similar length to GM) with tighter, weirder restrictions than leagues get these days

[untold edge]

price hike was completely unjustified so that wasnt a good move for hype either

[restive storm]

maybe when the price hits $25/mo theyll have enough money to hire a dev to make a wildy update

[solar juniper]

ah. shows how screwed my sense of time is when going a few years back XD

[meager flame]

i actually think gridmaster was better than any league i've ever played

[wispy current]

whats crazy is jagex has like 5 times more employees than they had in like 2020... lol we get one quest and a raid this year and some temp games

[meager flame]

it was excellent at letting me do the fun league like stuff and getting out of my way

[untold edge]

too many cooks in the kitchen

[meager flame]

where honestly leagues are just full of filler

[tender peak]

or, better yet, what if they actually used leagues- you know, where they don't need to poll anything- to beta test new mechanics on the community

something like, I don't know, reworking old bosses by giving them new and interesting mechanics and then not adding them to the main game even when the players clearly like the new version more COUGH COUGH KALPHITE QUEEN

wanna try something fucked up? Don't think it would pass the poll from a text description alone?

let us fuckin try it and then decide

[meager flame]

tbh im not even worried about that

lets get back to just putting content in the real game 😭

[solar juniper]

PTS would be far better for that than a leagues imo

[tender peak]

PTS would not get nearly as popular

case in point... PTS already exists sometimes

[meager flame]

they'd probably just invent something silly to waffle about

like

omg what if people practiced awakened bosses during our test

[untold edge]

Chambers of Xeric: Challenge Mode, Theatre of Blood: Hard Mode & Tombs of Amascut: 500+ have significantly buffed drop rates and difficulty, ToA and ToB will now provide uniques to all players in the raid if the raid obtains one

why is CoX left out of purple share?

[tropic kelp]

spaghetti code

[tender peak]

Olm's on strike

union violation

[meager flame]

yeah olm saw the price increase and is quiet quitting

[untold edge]

god the things id reluctantly do to have echo KQ replace main games KQ

[meager flame]

low key maybe thats what happened to our road map

[meager flame]

cant lie

[untold edge]

ty for the source

[meager flame]

theres no way they could fix that because that would mean that cox would get a cool loot room and that would just ruin the main game

lmao

really though

seems like a worthwhile investment

wonder why they wouldn't just make cox better and support the league with one update

[solar juniper]

if raids 4 has a loot room then CoX would be the only one thats different. should be redone to keep it consistent. though at the same time i do like seeing how designs of raids have improved over time

even if i dont actively do them XD

[minor whale]

It would just be terrible if CoX got a room to let loot be rolled like every other raid, we definitely can't _improve_change that!

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/improve

[minor whale]

Woops

Wrong markdown lmao

Ffs

I give up

[solar juniper]

trying to do a strikethrough?

[tropic kelp]

but that would lead to less new content meaning more complaints

[tender harness]

we already barely have new content as it is
and the new content that did come out was a buggy cluster fuck on release doom, Yama are the more egregious examples
or the cluster fuck of sailings release

[tropic kelp]

realistically how much new content do you really want though? new stuff once a week?

thats just how osrs is ig things have always been buggy on release

[minor whale]

Nobody is against improving old content that needs it, but 9 months straight since Sailing (which did not have much actual content to sink your teeth into let's be honest) with just 3 temp gamemodes is not this huge amount of stuff to do

[untold edge]

because that means getting main game updates which is a no no

[restive storm]

i do wonder like, what does the team actually work on at this point

[minor whale]

The content development pipeline has, if anything, slowed down since they've gotten 10x the jmods

[tropic kelp]

sailing released in november thats 5 months

[minor whale]

And the next content release is in Summer

[untold edge]

podcasts

[minor whale]

That'll be 9 months between sailing and BMR

Which was supposed to come out late 2025 lmao

I'll be SHOCKED if TFA comes out 2026

[restive storm]

pls sirs just one wildy update 🥺

[untold edge]

Winter 2017

[restive storm]

its been fifteen years

[minor whale]

Unless the "summer sweep up" we get has a substantial amount of Araxxor or Yama type content where it's announced and delivered rapidly, we're gonna be so bored

[restive storm]

"gonna be" ?

[minor whale]

But last sweep up took months to deliver

[restive storm]

we already are

[tacit wharf]

bmr was never going to be part of 2025 content, was suppose to be march-ish 2026 but got pushed back

[minor whale]

Gonna be as in even moreso than now
Imagine how bored you'll be if nothing changes in 3 months

[untold edge]

i think the issue with pvp/wildy updates is not only is it a minority of the playerbase but i really dont know if any devs know the pvp side of the game well enough to know what would be best for it. like do any of them pvp or pk themselves, or at least communicate with that playerbase?

[solar juniper]

guess thats why i start a new HC when one dies XD

[tender harness]

people arent even asking for new stuff weekly lmao. I dont know where this is coming from
but You have Yama who had contracts on release that were not even doable
Doom which had its own shit show of a mess
Sailing which had a laundry list of problems, people exploiting early to get through 1 - 30, sailing combat being the mess that it is still is
the content that they release is in such a poor state but they put so much effort into temp game modes

[minor whale]

I'd hope content would come out at least as frequently as it did when the JMod team was 10 people

[restive storm]

bro i forgot about the exploiting god that release was handled so poorly lmao

[tender harness]

early 2026 it was never march

BMR got pushed for leagues

[minor whale]

I'm tired of getting like 1 or 2 quests per year then 5 min quests they for some reason call real quests to pad the numbers of "content" they release

1 boss they swear is really for endgame this time we promise (it's not) and 1 boss for people without thumbs

[tender harness]

remember this? peperidge farm does

[minor whale]

It's just depressing man I absolutely love the game but the lack of care since they've worked on sailing is glaring

[restive storm]

fr what are they doin over there loool

[tropic kelp]

idk it just seems like people are not satisfied with the content that has been coming out but we have been getting quite a bit of qol and some interface improvements looking at the updates it has slowed down a bit for sure but like then if we get more content then people complain that there isnt enough qol updates

the osrs player is impossible to please

[minor whale]

The content devs aren't the qol devs

Different teams

There's no reason you can't get content and qol

[restive storm]

"interface improvements" I dont even really understand why theyre doin this i felt like it was totally unnecessary

[meager flame]

I mean it goes back

[minor whale]

The people working on the client aren't the same guys designing BMR

[restive sapphire]

Imagine if the cannon backlash pushes back red reef and the other sailing updates even further

[meager flame]

Somewhere around wgs everything just started to suck and would be bugged on release

The sailing icon was honestly insane with its double meaning

Shows exactly what it did to the game

[tropic kelp]

what double meaning

[minor whale]

A big anchor

[meager flame]

That it’s an anchor tied to the game

[minor whale]

Sailing was hyped I was extremely excited for it

It's "fine"

But not worth the loss of everything else they could have been working on

[tropic kelp]

yeh im not the biggest fan nor have i seen any value in training it yet

[minor whale]

I was rank 1 sailing hype enthusiast

[restive storm]

yea the scope of sailing was way too big

[minor whale]

And it's delivered almost nothing I was hyped for

[restive storm]

and it just didnt work out as far as time spent

[meager flame]

Yeah it’s just rough what we’ve experienced while waiting for sailing to get together

And it’s still happening to us

[tropic kelp]

honestly i think thats why there has been lack of content because sailing took up way too much

there is still plenty to do in the current game though

3 raids

tons of bosses

like

[tender harness]

Sailing was rushed out before year end

and is still missing

a lot of shit

[tropic kelp]

why all the doom and gloom

[tender harness]

combat is trying to be solved in a matter of weeks when the issue isnt a couple week kind of issue to fix

[meager flame]

I think sailing is gonna be good one day but it’s costing lol

[minor whale]

The "bosses" they had on release are just a slayer boss you afk

The "new monsters" are literally just afk with Shadow then telegrab

The "new training methods" are just afk OR Hallowed Sepulchre

The "new resources" are solely used for sailing, with almost 0 tie in to main game at all

[limber creek]

we get less updates than ashes of creation and that games shutdown. enjoy drinking spoiled milk and afking a bull pet though

[restive sapphire]

Like i said it's baffling there was only one combat beta for sailing when there clearly needed to be more

[meager flame]

“Milk”

[restive sapphire]

New fish is lit however

[restive storm]

pvm boring

[kind surge]

this is like saying ffxiv has over 10 years of content and doesn't need new updates

[tropic kelp]

not saying that just saying that its not the end of the world if it slows down a bit

[untold edge]

i find it weird theres sailing pvm to begin with. it was pitched as a utility skill. not sure why it needs us killing seagulls with a cannon. i assumed boat pvm would be other boats like pirates

[tender harness]

over 10 years of content
just skip ARR

[wispy current]

didnt they say theres a dedicated sailing team different from other content devs

[meager flame]

I will say one thing they gave me a single glimmer of hope that pnm rewards could potentially be useful

So I actually been farming that boss

That was almost a content release

[minor whale]

There is plenty to do but when you've done or interacted with all of it and it's gotten pretty stale, what else

CoX is 9 years old and ToB is 8
ToA is already 4 years old by the time BMR comes out and is so boring it feels older than CoX
Done every boss there is to do, thousands of Nex, greenlogged Doom, hundreds of Yama, it's just at some point with nothing to really get excited about being "soon" it gets sad

[restive sapphire]

Slowed despite it costing more than ever relative to the dollar and having more on the team with no improvements to customer support as well

[tropic kelp]

there are plenty of non pvm activities as well although ig if you are a pker then yeah pvp and wildy barely get updates

[kind surge]

we're not even getting big content releases every two months this year like big name mmos though

[restive storm]

i also have two maxed accounts... so kinda done skilling noww too

[minor whale]

I've done more pking than ever and even that is boring when every hotspot is dead

[restive sapphire]

Does wow even get a big update every 2 months

[tropic kelp]

you are welcome to play other games nobody is forcing you to pay and play osrs

[meager flame]

Look at what they did to us lmfao

[minor whale]

Or just bots

[kind surge]

idk about wow but ffxiv does

[restive sapphire]

Crazy how people are so against us advocating for more for what we pay for

[meager flame]

They release league teasers and we just group up to bitch about everything and ignore it

[kind surge]

new dungeons, or new raid wings, new story patches

[untold edge]

no but they get 65 characters

[meager flame]

Send help jagex do something

[tender harness]

what in the absolute reddit take

[tropic kelp]

im not against it i just think people were happy with the game and then when the price change came people are treating osrs like its the worst game ever

[untold edge]

runescape might be the only mmo where each game mode is paywalled yet they offer several

[minor whale]

Yeah every time we lament the lack of recent attention to the game someone has to come in and say "you don't HAVE to play you know"

Yeah we're aware, we want to want to play without it feeling like Jagex doesn't give a shit

[kind surge]

man I'm so happy about the 90% empty space that's been added

[restive storm]

my man clearly aint been hangin out in pvpcord

[tropic kelp]

i havent

[restive storm]

we been ridin the struggle bus for like 4-5 years now

[kind surge]

and most islands being one-time visits and never being useful again

[restive sapphire]

Personally i was pretty disappointed since the summit and had a similar feeling summer summit 2024

[meager flame]

I think everyone was a little annoyed but then they upped the price too

[tropic kelp]

thats also the community voting no to anything that seems remotely fun for pvp

[meager flame]

And pushed us over the edge

They were being tolerated until that moment

[minor whale]

I've been saying shit's been slow for months
Price change just was a slap in the face on top of the slow pace

[restive storm]

and jagex lacking the spine to ever take a stand and tell the noobs to grow up 🙁

[untold edge]

maybe they can rework bounty hunter for the 12th time

[kind surge]

people were complaining about temp gamemodes taking up dev time before the price increase

[minor whale]

I had hope until the Summit honestly

[meager flame]

Yeah but it wasn’t as serious

Now people are actually mad at it

[restive sapphire]

Dt2 alone made 2023 for me however

[tender harness]

if I could live with my head in the sand like a lot of people in this community I too, would be brave enough to post dumb takes like "OSRS has updated more than ever"

[restive storm]

DT2 was definitely good yea

[frail nebula]

what was voted down that seemed remotely fun for pvp recently though

[untold edge]

its just such a big slap in the face to ask for more money while delivering even less than ever before

i fear this is the beginning of OSRS enshittification

[tropic kelp]

just seen a trend that every time there is a pvp update a lot of people are against it by default

[minor whale]

Thought we were getting something Yama like where it was weeks after to tide us over

Instead it's "this is delayed" "this is shelved" "this is delayed" "Temp Gamemode 1 and 2" and "Hey it's a new raid after 4 years again"

[restive storm]

-xp lamps, because then i could go back to being on the pure highscores which i somehow now care about that PvP is so dead

[tropic kelp]

maybe i worded it badly

[restive storm]

in all seriousness theres really been nothing tho

[tender harness]

but hey atleast we have a bingo mode to look forward to on the rode map
🤣

[restive storm]

wrathmaw was a bad idea, got voted down and then they stopped trying

[restive sapphire]

Some of the things that are shelved were bad ideas so they shoulda announced better ideas

[frail nebula]

tbh their pvp ideas in general just seem... really bad

[minor whale]

Shelving API was dumb as fuck for them to do

[untold edge]

is HD delayed or shelved? im OOTL on that one

[minor whale]

They're 100% just waiting on the RS3 team to do API and gonna retrofit it

[restive sapphire]

They coulda made a new update with the fact that wrathmaw wasnt happening like araxxor vit there was nothing

[frail nebula]

I really do think that leagues 6 was supposed to happen in the summer

[minor whale]

HD is delayed but not shelved

[kind surge]

the time gate was the only thing ruining it, shame they just stopped bothering after the first poll

[minor whale]

API is shelved

[hazy plover]

Because so much is luring non pvpers to the pvp area

[frail nebula]

but they pushed it earlier due to the vampyre quest being delayed

[restive storm]

yeah... like, what if i want to pvp, but wrathmaw isnt up? do i just log out? lol

[frail nebula]

at least leagues is a lot more fun than dmm

[minor whale]

Even though API would get MANY more people using official client

[frail nebula]

and also mobile players could use plugins

[restive sapphire]

Yeah

I genuinely think varla part 3 was supposed to be before yama but they swapped the 2 bc it wouldnt be ready

But dmm into leagues 6 is a bad taste

[frail nebula]

which would probably be the biggest thing

[minor whale]

Absolutely 0 chance I swap to official with how shit even their basic plugins are and have been for literally a year

Mobile stuff just remaining broken and they just don't have a JMod for it anymore

[tender harness]

BMR pushed so leagues could be earlier
Sailing release before years end to meet quota
big content released in a sorry state (Yama, Doom)
API shelved, HD delayed
🦀 $15 by the way 🦀

[untold edge]

RuneLite still dominates and until they get to that level of quality which is about never, ill stick with RL

[restive storm]

dont forget u missed DMM for Q1 numbers

[tender harness]

real

and true

[minor whale]

It took them months to "fix" the click-to-cancel issue where you could brick your client by selecting a spell without having anything nearby to cast it on

Do you know how they fixed it

They removed that option

[wispy current]

Is api what would have changed the code to c++ or whatever

[tender harness]

dont think they ever fixed the bug that could brick you on levi for HCs that like stalls you. same issue on doom

[minor whale]

That's not a fix
They just got rid of it because they can't be bothered to just, I dunno, select the spell again to let you deselect it?

[frail nebula]

the default client is already in c++

are you thinking of it having a lua plugin api

[minor whale]

That still happens yeah

[untold edge]

i still cant believe Yama contracts were released without even being completeable. just proof they literally dont test some stuff before pushing to prod

[meager flame]

Yeah they went full something I can’t say

[minor whale]

If you log out on spawn you don't leave you just have to wait and die

[meager flame]

Let’s make HD for a client nobody will ever use xd

[frail nebula]

I do sympathize with a good plugin API being really hard to make, but like

it really would be a lot more important than hd

[untold edge]

wait is HD only for c++ client?

[frail nebula]

yeah

[untold edge]

ewwww

[minor whale]

It's ok, we're just complaining into the void
They don't care and aren't ever going to respond to these complaints or issues

[kind surge]

I'm sure mobile players that are mostly afking will appreciate hd though

[frail nebula]

which won't have plugins either

[meager flame]

Ya considering that’s the only reason anyone would ever use their client to begin with

[minor whale]

HD is solely for official client and plugins aren't even on the horizon yet

So dead release

[meager flame]

Api seems a little bit important you know

[frail nebula]

their idea for the plugin API included some other weird stuff

like dedicated plugin testing worlds

[minor whale]

Mobile players get HD but not a functional client

I would give up GPU plugin if it meant I could keep Menu Entry Swapper lmao

[tender harness]

Jagex: please use our client
also Jagex: we are scrapping API but HD is coming eventually SO ITS PRETTY RIGHT PLEASE USE IT NOW?

[minor whale]

Also HD should have released alongside Sailing

Turns out zbuffer is too much of an issue to handle

So delayed again!

[kind surge]

it was supposed to but they delayed it iirc

at least I'm pretty sure

[tender harness]

that would have been funny as fuck because HD even on runelite was crashing because it was a shit show

the waters my god

[minor whale]

And then the standard rendered beta also turned off because they got too much feedback on broken things

[untold edge]

remember how they tried to shutdown 117 over this too as if it was about to come out

[meager flame]

Ya zbuffer actually shut them out

[kind surge]

o nvm you already said it lol

[meager flame]

Like

Lmao

[kind surge]

zbuffer was such a dumb mess

[meager flame]

It’s been months

[minor whale]

I sympathize with the client/engine/spaghetti being hot garbage

[frail nebula]

tbh I'm happy they finally made the zbuffer change

but yeah, that was never going to be a pretty transition

[minor whale]

But holy shit they have got to stop overestimating their abilities

[meager flame]

I would’ve liked them to make the change when they were confident the fix was in

[untold edge]

but think of the shareholders!!!

[meager flame]

Not rush it out there so sailing works and leave everything busted

[minor whale]

Every time they make these announcements about engine changes and it breaks something it feels like we're an accidental push away from oops we discovered that eventually an update we pushed 3 weeks ago would eventually cause a massive issue requiring a rollback. Oopsy poopsy

[meager flame]

They made so many bad choices to make the release timing for sailing it’s crazy

[frail nebula]

tbf not having it for sailing would have been a lot more noticeable than the bugs that did make it through

I get why they did it, but realistically

[minor whale]

Sailing given another 6 months would be so much better

[frail nebula]

I'd have preferred to have seen sailing delayed entirely

[restive storm]

I was sayin this for so long, both after the alpha & beta

[tender harness]

like sailing has stuff that was pulled from release and is being added later as a "new feature"

chain shot and incendiary rounds come to mind

[meager flame]

They might have even read the feedback for sailing content too

[restive storm]

and now that i afked my way to 99, like im not exactly excited for more sailing content cuz why would i ever do it? lol

[meager flame]

Imagine they looked at the combat beta

Because they had time

[untold edge]

yeah i dont think Sailing should be so afkable. salvaging is nice but those rates shouldnt be outshining sea trawling lmao

[minor whale]

I was so sad that after doing sailing and all the trials and enjoying them
That afking salvage for half the XP/hr but 1% of the effort was just how everyone was training sailing and it made no sense to not do

[frail nebula]

tbf trawling gives an absolute shit ton of top tier fish

[tender harness]

what feedback?
the fact that combat is dog water bad. salvaging was released in such a busted state that people grew accustomed to broken rates for afking
sailing cape perk is legitmately the worst thing they have ever come up with since Firemaking or attack cape.
the hey we added new stuff to expand the world but 90% of it is empty as fuck and you cant access the other half because it wasnt done on time

[untold edge]

and so much work went into port tasks just to have them become irrelevant early Sailing

[frail nebula]

Having done a fair bit of trawling so far

It's really not in a bad place

[meager flame]

That’s because they made some decision I still can’t get over

They looked at port tasks and were like what reward space? And put token gp into your inventory

[minor whale]

I definitely didn't think salvaging was going to be what it is

[restive storm]

i was told many times that sailing would be the best update the games ever had on release... andddd that did not pan out

[frail nebula]

part of this also comes down to them being way too cautious to make sure that sailing like

[minor whale]

I thought you'd have to sail to find new salvage and could sit there for 5-10 minutes before finding another one

[frail nebula]

doesn't actually change anything about the game

[untold edge]

genuinely curious if you could elaborate. it felt bad when i tried doing it xp wise vs effort. u do get a good amount of food from it though. but its also a steep investment for a max trawling ship

[minor whale]

Not "here's where they are click hook come back 30 minutes"

[meager flame]

Like clearly we should just release this as a somewhat complicated training method and give you nothing and also make sure it’s not the best exp

Surely this goes well

[frail nebula]

it's an absurd amount of food

that's the main use case

[meager flame]

It’s so dumb lmao

[frail nebula]

like it is by far and away the best way to get food

and nothing else is even remotely close

[minor whale]

Yeah trawling is wild for irons, very very high food gain

[frail nebula]

it's also good money for mains

[ashen yarrow]

you cannot click hook, you lose the afk element if you do that.

[frail nebula]

like millions per hour for fishing

[untold edge]

i think they shouldve nerfed the food output and increase xp output tbh

[frail nebula]

tbh I could see buffing the fishing xp and removing spam clicking

the spam clicking is dumb

[meager flame]

They should’ve just given you some of the supplies you were transporting while doing port tasks

[untold edge]

didnt even know there was a spam click meta

[meager flame]

You know so there was some gameplay to get nails and planks and cannonballs and other things that would’ve made any sense

[frail nebula]

it basically doubles your own fishing contribution

[meager flame]

But here’s some gp I guess

[restive storm]

coulda rewarded you from stuff unique to each port kind of thing too

[frail nebula]

not that of your crewmate, so the amount it affects overall fish/hr depends on the fish

[untold edge]

there was actually a good suggestion on reddit to make port tasks give a currency for a shop that rewards supplies and stuff

[restive storm]

idk courier tasks just needed a rewards system, felt sooo empty

[frail nebula]

really, who's going to notice if 1 or 2 crates went missing along the way

that's just the cost of doing business

[tender harness]

reddit will brigade you and downvote you for literally anything that isnt leagues good, we have plenty of content this year

[meager flame]

I just can’t believe the same people that made hunter rumor reward pouches blanked out like that

[tender harness]

the sub is unironically worse than this discord

[meager flame]

It could even be where you decide to pirate or not and you trade exp for loot by going rogue

Anything that could’ve been cool

[frail nebula]

I'd ask why they let you keep taking tasks at that point, but the ardy knights still haven't wised up either

[restive storm]

courier tasks to me are like, imagine pickpocketing for theiving, but everything only ever dropped coins, and all the thieving chests were coins

it felt that poorly designed lol

[untold edge]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Reddit

[vernal valve]

idk current reddit mood is pretty negative rn

[kind surge]

ye I'm pretty sure even reddit is upset

it's that bad

[vernal valve]

reddit's funny because the general vibe of the place swings rapidly back and forth between sycophantically praising everything jagex does and the most genuinely deranged insane posts you've ever seen about how the jmods are PERSONALLY making content to spite ME SPECIFICALLY

[wispy current]

Nature is healing

[restive sapphire]

"Content released during leagues 6 is enabled on a case by case basis"

Wonder if they actually have content ready to release apart from leagues bc cow came out after dmm despite it being basically done

[tender harness]

"Content released during leagues 6 is enabled on a case by case basis"
what in the

[limber creek]

good

[wet smelt]

im not sure waht tier 1 i like best

[limber creek]

barb ones lit

[wet smelt]

barbarian or abundance probably

[frail nebula]

I appreciate that they finally made me consider equilibrium

[wet smelt]

i wonder if they are gonna add a bankers note somewhere

[frail nebula]

it was on the table in the earlier preview

I'd be kinda surprised if we don't get banker's note

barb gathering does sound like the most fun t1 relic imo

[limber creek]

they spent more time writing that demonic speech you have to translate than they have on pvp in a year. that feelsgood

[frail nebula]

pvp got an entire game mode this year

what are you talking about

[limber creek]

same exact dmm as the last time hows that new

[frail nebula]

ah so you didn't play it

you just bitch

[wet smelt]

i like it for the agility and strength xp on gathering, that and crystal tools from lvl 1

[frail nebula]

as expected of a pvper

[limber creek]

Just no keys not a huge change.

[dry prawn]

With abundance, I wonder if there’s going to be Golden God or if they plan on changing it.

[limber creek]

You're awfully hostile. Rude

[frail nebula]

agility xp too

that one's nice

[wet smelt]

i said that

[frail nebula]

yeah ik ik

I was agreeing with you

[south void]

It was my first dmm ever played this year and I was shocked to find out you got points by everything except pking lol

[frail nebula]

the 50% chance to succeed instead of failing on all gathering is kinda huge too

[wet smelt]

the passives seem kinda bad imo

[frail nebula]

makes a lot of methods surprisingly strong

[limber creek]

yeah weird mechanic for sure. when it was the most fun

[restive storm]

yeah tbf it was very similar to prior dmms lol

[frail nebula]

the points exist to lure people who don't pk in

[restive storm]

not a ton of changes, few new breach monsters

[frail nebula]

but also like

they don't want you to be able to farm points by just killing your friends

[limber creek]

careful you'll hurt neb feelings.

[frail nebula]

I assume that's the reasoning

which I kinda get

but it's still weird

[south void]

I don't enjoy pking or anything to do with pvp, but it wasn't really hard to just eat and run into a safezone to avoid dying. I think maybe 20 or so deaths the whole dmm and I got 100k points so, wasn't as stressful as I imagined it would be.

[frail nebula]

yeah it wasn't hard

but it also wasn't a very enjoyable experience

I did it for my points and left

probably not going to try dmm again

[limber creek]

typical pvmer

[restive storm]

i very much enjoyed one shotting people at raids banks

[wispy current]

Points for pking would be too easy to abuse

[oblique mesa]

DMM was big fun, farming tears at the salmons south of priff was peak content

[frail nebula]

that's what I assumed was the reason too

[south void]

Right, I understand that, just seemed odd points were so easy to get and you could just avoid dying majority of the time.

[restive storm]

the problem with dmm is really that we get it 2 weeks every other year

and otherwise we just dont have anything to do lol

[frail nebula]

the other problem is that they seem to want it to be some big event with huge appeal

when it really is quite niche

they try to get people in with easy skilling points and whatnot for cosmetics

but that doesn't make it fun

[restive storm]

this i disagree with

[limber creek]

Once again like i said. Pvp gets no updates.

[restive storm]

it was definitely fun

[limber creek]

It was the most fun dmm yet lmao

and the most casual friendly

[oblique mesa]

It was so niche that they had to run the final twice because the worlds capped out /eyeroll

[south void]

I cashed in my 100k points and sold them all off once prices went back up to 45m each reward. I was only ever in it for the main game gp injection tbh.

[limber creek]

sooo niche. Homie just likes to say shit honestly

[frail nebula]

they had to run the final twice because they fucked up the first final

and dced like half the people

[limber creek]

you dont have a clue of what happened?

worlds were full is why we had a second final lol.

[oblique mesa]

Even the coverage showed how popular it was, you couldn't render anything

[limber creek]

it was so bad LOL

[restive storm]

and theres also people like me who love dmm, but cba playing the final cuz theres no real point

[limber creek]

final was a mistake. rest of it was great just imo

[frail nebula]

I think the 1v1 finals would be a lot more interesting if they returned tbh

[restive storm]

they cant handle them tho

is the problem

[frail nebula]

yeah, they can't

but they were more interesting when they worked

the current finals structure is just so incredibly meh

[limber creek]

when did they work

"When it registers!"

[frail nebula]

they were interesting at points

which is more than can be said of the current structure imo

but yeahhhh

[limber creek]

true

[meager flame]

i mean honestly

i dont even think we should get dmm

its really fucking weird to ignore pvp and never give them updates and then pop up like

hey heres a limited time mode that we always fuck up but WOOO DMM

[frail nebula]

okay I hear you

but hear me out

chivalry for pures

and the vls

pretty enticing right

that'll fix pvp

[restive storm]

that is jagex way of thinking how pkers think yes

actual pkers know that changes nothing

[limber creek]

im sure the streamers are in their ears about more limited time content modes to waste their dev time on rather than fixing main game whatsoever.

[meager flame]

i just hate that somehow streamer content has cut into the real games content pipeline

[frail nebula]

I do think that they fundamentally want pvp to be streamer content

[restive storm]

DMM AllStars HYPE 🤓

[meager flame]

we're just taking losses so that they can get people to watch on youtube and twitch

its crazy

[frail nebula]

rather than player content

[restive storm]

yes, this is how we got into this mess

[limber creek]

this is the biggest dumbest cash grab ive saw in forever lmao. People paying for tickets to the event to go to an irl pvp zone is the funniest shit though tbf.

[meager flame]

i dont even know how much it costs

[frail nebula]

fwiw that part of chicago is actually completely fine though

[restive storm]

idec if they wanna do a live event like fine, but please stop rubbing it in our face that streamers get to have fun game modes and we dont lol

[meager flame]

like i didn't really investigate how much of like

an event its going to be

i've been to a million esports events and related stuff and it can range from like

actually nice to a hotel lobby and no chairs

[frail nebula]

from jagex's perspective, it is much easier to have a controlled pvp environment for a small set of known individuals than it is for everyone

I get them doing that

[meager flame]

i mean thats the only way they can do it

they will get hit offline

[frail nebula]

yeah

[meager flame]

if they ever try to run it online

[restive storm]

right but its just a spit in the face to the rest of the players

[frail nebula]

I wonder if they're going to be able to do something for that finale like hosting it locally at that venue

so it can't be ddosed

[frail nebula]

sure, but what would actually make pvpers happy

genuinely curious there

[limber creek]

according to ticketmaster. the cheapest seats availible are 173.55 LOL

[meager flame]

actual content in the real game

[restive storm]

at this point ANYTHING

[frail nebula]

tbh that's cheaper than I expected

[meager flame]

jagex cannot provide a competitive online environment

[limber creek]

imagine paying 200 bucks to watch something we're all gonna watch on stream anyways.

[meager flame]

like i actually dont think they've ever ran a single supposedly serious dmm finale without something blowing up

[frail nebula]

could say the same of damn near every in person event

maybe the first dmm all stars, kinda

[wet smelt]

imagine complaining about something that doesnt affect you

[frail nebula]

if that even counts

[tacit wharf]

imagine paying 500 bucks to go to a concert when u can just watch music video at home

[meager flame]

what else is going on where they're doing the dmm thing

[limber creek]

its runescape but okay lol

[meager flame]

im assuming its probably part of a wider event or something like that

[frail nebula]

imagine paying like $50 to see a movie in a theater when you can just stream it at home
oh wait that's why theaters are dying out

[limber creek]

im just saying for a community that fussed so hard about 15 a month seems silly.

[restive storm]

i get people going to like RF and stuff, dmm all stars just seems like

pretty lame as an event lol

[meager flame]

i see what they're doing now that i took a look at it

[limber creek]

National paint drying championship has seats for 75+ as well. Since yall like live events.

[meager flame]

they're probably giving you the cheapest tickets they can

[kind surge]

I mean going live at a concert is extremely different than just watching it on screen

[frail nebula]

the people buying tickets are probably not the same people complaining so much about $15

[limber creek]

true as well

[frail nebula]

the goombah fallacy strikes again

[meager flame]

i actually think its kind of insane that they did this for dmm allstars lol

you would think they would've just shown up at a dreamhack or something to do this

[tacit wharf]

point was, going to anything live isnt the same as watching it from home

[kind surge]

idk what the event entails but as long as it has something social going on besides just watching the screens or w/e then it's fine

[restive storm]

i actually get going to concerts because like the artists are good, but going to a jaggy event when the only thing thats ever happened is pure chaos and disappointment is kinda wild to me

[meager flame]

it looks like they essentially rented out a theatre

[frail nebula]

My guess is that their thought process went like this:

• We can get everyone together so that DDOSing isn't a problem, since that did happen last allstars
• If everyone is already together, we might as well let fans show up as well

[meager flame]

so basically you're gonna go in there theres gonna be a stage and im assuming they will have it setup where you can watch various povs and stuff

im not sure its going to really look that great

[tacit wharf]

imagine league event set up

[meager flame]

unless its a finals where its always only 2 people fighting

[limber creek]

its the same as a concert bro haha. its like watching your favorite band everyone will be singing and dancing don't you know. Ass takes lmao

[restive storm]

what would they even be doing tho? lol

[limber creek]

omg hes picking his tier 1 relic! "And the crowd goes wild"

[kind surge]

race to dragon rank 🗣️

[meager flame]

it probably isn't going to be quite all there quality wise but

thats why the tickets are costing what they do they're probably trying to not take a loss to put the thing on

[limber creek]

you can get the rune package seats for 442.87

LOL

[restive storm]

kinda nuts, you could actually go to like a good concert for that

[limber creek]

comeon guy its the same as a concert remember ace told us

[restive storm]

itd be like going to a concert, but the artist of the concert has had 15 shows in a row where they forgot the words so just stood onstage while the music itself played in the background

[limber creek]

bro how much were dragon tickets i gotta find it

[meager flame]

i mean i get why they're doing that

shits expensive to run

[restive storm]

it just seems like a

not great idea

[meager flame]

i dont really think that people should buy those packages at all but lol

[restive storm]

idk

[limber creek]

504.99 dragon package tickets

[restive storm]

better come with an in-event foot massage & personal waitor/chef for prices like that

[limber creek]

supposedly an unlimited open bar for dragon package people? so if you can drink 500 dollars worth of liquor i think you're good.

[solid trout]

At this point make the downtime longer we all know its gonna take longer than expected like usual

[midnight owl]

Why do ya say let's focus more on live game content development and not limited time events so your increase in mem prices make more sense.

[wispy current]

They make a ton of money from leagues unfortunately

[ember token]

content released during Leagues VI will be reviewed and enabled for the league on a case-by-case basis.

what content is gonna be released during the league

[limber creek]

New membership prices probably who knows.

[ember token]

so true

[true talon]

Kinda true actually, but most leagues is like 2 months?

[ashen yarrow]

maybe we can finally get echo Kq into main game

[wispy current]

Leagues lasts for 2 months?

[ashen yarrow]

yeah 8 weeks, so about 2 months

[wispy current]

No wonder main game never gets any updates 🤣

[ashen yarrow]

maybe the maggot boss coming to main game during leagues, cannot really think anything else except that and ardougne river log canoe

[limber creek]

if they release maggot boss during leagues ill just quit leagues and go grind the maggot boss lol

[ashen yarrow]

yeah i doubt they will release gm quest and boss mid league

[minor whale]

BM2 slated for early summer, 8 weeks after April 15th still isn't Summer

Unless there's some surprise content in there, there is no content during leagues lol

[ashen yarrow]

probably just mentioned like that to add the QoL and other changes they are doing but who knows

[true talon]

8 weeks after april is june which is summer....

[minor whale]

June 10th
Still 11 days away from summer at the verrrry end of Leagues, and BMR is set for early Summer

[ashen yarrow]

who is locking in morytania hoping for them to add bloodmoon rising in last 2-3 weeks of league

[wispy current]

In jagex time early summer is like august

[languid tundra]

Likely will drop june/july

I'd probably put my money on early-mid july

Although tbf the summer sweep-up is listed before BMR iirc

[tribal spruce]

This the right channel for Leagues questions?

[restive siren]

#leagues-general

[tribal spruce]

Cuz I can't find the Leagues FAQ channel they mentioned?

[ember token]

#leagues-vi-faq

[placid ore]

People are just mass down voting every announcement because they're salty about membership price increases, right?

[ember token]

mainly, yeah

[placid ore]

Heard

[ember token]

of course they'd get some number of downvotes even without the membership thing

[placid ore]

Right right. I just feel like before that, the ratio of thumbs up to thumbs down was typically massively in favor of thumbs up. I was very surprised to see so many thumbs down on the announcement with Dino and Skilly.

[ember token]

yeah its got nothing to do with them

theres just people downvoting every time they get pinged

because that will totally get jagex to not increase prices lol

[placid ore]

I get wanting to make your voice heard. But I think at this point, the OSRS team has heard the community voice loud and clear. Truly, the best thing to do would be to unsubscribe if they want to make a difference. I truly think the only thing that could make Jagex revert the change would be if this hurt their bottom line.

[ember token]

yup, and there's simply just not enough players willing to unsubscribe

[misty socket]

What else am i supposed to do

[ember token]

not saying you cant do it, just that it doesnt do anything

CVC will not be quaking in their boots over some thumbs down reactions on a discord post and have the price changes cancelled

[minor whale]

Some, myself included, are downvoting because of the lack of updates we have heading into the 3rd temp gamemode in 6 months, on the back of also no updates for 3 months from now

The price change is just a "oh boy we get nothing new and have to pay more for it" cherry on top

[tender harness]

Its not even just the price hike

[tender harness]

Stop pretending that the mass downvotes are just price hike anger when its more than that

• main game is getting nothing new till the summer
• temp game modes continue to detract from the main game experience
• API scrapped
• New content is broken or buggy as fuck on release
• listening to people try to defend shit like bingo being a road map item
• sailing releasing with like 3/4th of the content MIA, the other 1/4th broken, buggy, or just bad
• sailing combat being rushed to fix when its not something they can fix in just a couple weeks

[limber creek]

Homie went off with exactly whats happening. Preach.

[ember token]

i never said it’s only due to price hikes

i said it’s mainly due to price hikes

None of what you mentioned besides Sailing combat changes suddenly started happening the same time as the price hikes, it was all well known beforehand

but if you look at the message history, the downvotes only started with the price hike

BMR poll right before gets 100 downvotes, probably related to leechfin sandwiches failing, and then you can see all the posts before that with like 30 downvotes max

[limber creek]

Leechfin sandwiches failling surely thats it.

[scarlet dawn]

PvP related polls in a nutshell @limber creek

Just change some words and you'll have the perfect context

[ember token]

800 upvotes to 100 downvotes on that BMR poll post, this is pretty obviously people upset over poll results lol

compare that to the ratio of votes on all the posts since

[ember token]

I don’t even disagree with this but it’s crazy cope to say the downvotes are all people who agree and not just people upset over the price changes

[ember token]

meanwhile all the surrounding posts have a normal ratio with very few downvotes

[knotty sedge]

But don't worry, we get to vote for what we want to be included in the game 🙃

[meager flame]

ya we talked about this earlier today it was basically that jagex has been doing not as well and giving people a reason to complain but were mostly tolerated

and then they upped the price too and people stopped tolerating it

and made a bunch of reasonable points like how we don't get main game content but they're asking for more money etc

every update for like 2 years has been bugged and so on

the 15$ servers last night actually just started lagging out and killed me a couple of times at pnm too lol

all stuff i could mostly get over because i like the game but do you know how many times wow servers actually just lagged out and killed me in 20 years

probably less than the osrs servers do every year

lol they really opened themselves up to a lot of fair criticism

[minor whale]

They're so bad now

[chrome lantern]

I haven't noticed any issues idk

I guess I didn't pvm last night

[winged mantle]

I've had a lot of ping issues and I'm normally 10 ping

[chrome lantern]

Still at 32 here

idk ig usually it's like 25

[winged mantle]

Like even disconnects recently and I never dc

[tacit wharf]

my pings improved back to under 35ish but can jump between (28-50)

[meager flame]

ya it was at like 5am i thought it might just be me but then looked at discord and people on eu worlds were having the same problems

also yeah my ping used to be 18-20 even just a few months ago but now its basically always 30

[round lintel]

who's the iron who killed lots of frost dragons here?

can you show loot tracker?

[winged mantle]

This was from my friend who's also an iron

[true atlas]

There's a typo in the FAQ part of the leagues post... unless we're going to be able to milk Yama somehow (Which I'm all for!): "Can you give Yama Dairy rewards for Wilderness since Misthalin is gone?"

Also, what happened here?!?: "Will there be any way to get the Ava’s devices if picking Fremennik?"

[fleet stag]

game is up btw

[true talon]

Damn they got a visage wtf 🙁 i did 17k an didnt get 1

They are a chill grind though

[winged mantle]

I'm planning on only doing them going for other slayer clogs once I greenlog dusk mystic

[true talon]

its worth doing them for slayer yea if you want sheets, if you want a chill afk grind for visage and sheets they are pretty great

[winged mantle]

I'll probs get a vissy going for dragon metal lump and slice

Or vork

[wispy current]

#old-school

[gaunt minnow]

Multi revs when tho?

[true talon]

D arrow price is getting insane

[gaunt minnow]

Still cheap considering how good Tbow is

[ashen yarrow]

doom release had even larger jump on price but i guess these are just blogs so people panic buy

[minor whale]

Also arrows are being gobbled up a lot faster these days

[ashen yarrow]

doom being main moneymaker doesnt help

[minor whale]

Scorching bow is much more common than tbow and people using dragon arrows with it

And Venator bow

Much more common darrow using weapons than tbow

[true talon]

Sounds like we need more supply 🙂 since they keep adding more weps that use them.

[minor whale]

Nah they should be expensive

Tbow being so cheap has always been weird

[analog crow]

30 darr tips being a green drop at tds is cozy

[meager flame]

its not

[minor whale]

Cheap to use, not own

[meager flame]

like lol sure the ammo might not cost a lot but the bow costs a fuck load

i dont even think it would be good for ammo or supplies to ever cost a lot in this game personally

its not even fun

"i would use my bow that costs billions buddy but this bosses drops aren't good enough so i cant afford to keep firing it" type of shit is just

idk

bad lol

maybe if you just want to watch ge stonks you might care more

i honestly dont think there is a good practical upside to it at the end of the day

[analog crow]

tend to agree but chargescape is the chosen route to avoid straight powercreep it seems

If cox released today tbow would need charges

[meager flame]

i dont even think charges are a thing they have to do

[analog crow]

Imagine tbow needing like 5 lizardman teeth per shot

[tacit wharf]

that in the case, one should be using a cheaper ammo and not the most expensive ammo

[meager flame]

or we could just not worry about it

its not just arrows its kind of everything that deals with ammo and supplies

i dont think giving people reasons to not play the game or use their best gear is ultimately good

that doesn't mean it cant have any cost but wanting any of that to be like

prohibitive is just not positive

for example you could make prayer pots very expensive right and some people might be like

now farming and herblore matters and the seed or herb drops are a huge deal ++++ value

but then you'd just get a huge list of activities where prayer pots are really good and they simply dont make enough gp to justify ever using them again

its just such a bad trade

[tacit wharf]

well i guess you'd then have to go in prayer armor instead of yr bis

[meager flame]

nah practical result is people like me just flick all the time and people who cant or get really mad at it

flood social media

but thats kind of not the point to begin with

[tacit wharf]

i do believe 0 use prayer flicking is horrible for the game and holds it back

[meager flame]

people shouldn't be avoiding having fun or using the best gear and so on

because fun costs too much

[tacit wharf]

game is about managing supplies

too expensive or too hard to get, sucks to suck

[analog crow]

It's a supply/attention tradeoff innit

[meager flame]

the only real supply management is based on the size of your inventory

its been awhile since supply cost has really been a thing

you typically have to try really hard to make that a real concern at any point in the past 10 years

the scythe actually had that problem but jagex helped it

[tacit wharf]

imagine the fool who's out shooting goblins with his tbow and d arrows complaining cuz its so expensive to kill goblins

[analog crow]

It's not a cost thing but the way cerb eats my supplies pisses me off
Horrible boss design, even with all the shield/arceuus mitigations

[meager flame]

cerb is funny because like

there are tools to handle the situation and they all suck

[analog crow]

I learned to live with kq but I doubt I will ever enjoy doing cerb

[meager flame]

like for example if you can get a spectral for cerb

it should just block the prayer drain fully

getting a spectral is insane

and cerb doesn't even matter that much lol

[still sundial]

heard the new fish that restores some p points is pretty nice for cerb

havent tried it tho

[minor whale]

Dead link

[frozen lion]

Ty Jagex for banning my alt which was streamed 24/7 since tutorial island, great update, don't care

[analog crow]

Yeah I mean there is demonic offering tech already but it sucks ass

[meager flame]

the leechfin thing is interesting

im glad they asked the question so that i could answer if i even like the idea of like

niche food to the extent that its only for some combat styles

bc i mega hate that idea but at least people can just directly tell them

i would just hate it a lot if in like 3 years

[analog crow]

I dunno, could the leechfin be processed into farmable fishing enhancers? Like shark lure or demon worms but universal and weaker, think deyalt for fishing or smth

[meager flame]

i was out there like heres my melee food and heres my magic food and heres my range food and over here we have the food for when i use all three etc

im just cool with the way food is atm

we have brews we have regular food we have ways to double or triple eat

and a couple of interesting things like small prayer restore or energy or clearing posion

and i think thats enough

[true talon]

?

[graceful agate]

considering the amount of niche food that was added to the game without issue in Sailing and other recent updates, this really felt like a 'people didn't understand it, reddit was saying it's bad, voted no'

[analog crow]

A food that clears all your stat boosts and heals a corresponding amount of hp (spitballing)

[meager flame]

i mean i fully understood the leechfin thing i just think its too much random complexity over something i just dont want to think about

[true talon]

A stackable food that heals 1 hp

[analog crow]

candy exists

[true talon]

Shhhhh lol

[analog crow]

🙂

[true talon]

If you havnt watched the video by port khazard doing no overhead colo

its wild

[analog crow]

I gotta check that out

sounds painful

[true talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6R4oEwdTcE

Makes you understand that you know nothing about this game lmao

[meager flame]

is it all of the crazy stuff where they do emotes and drop stuff to red x on etc

[analog crow]

Sounds like woox is no longer the goat

[true talon]

nah its crazy, like using health regen to tick eat, soul reaper axe to tick eat, stalls and death que clears

everything has to be tick perfect

using staff of dead spec to reduce the sol damage from his triple attack

[meager flame]

ya thats similar to inferno no overheads

[topaz quest]

What's the deal with these preparation stations they're proposing? Link is dead for me