game-update

[craggy wind]

29th seems the most plausible atm but who knows

Disappointing it’s end of April but I am glad it’s still this early!

[tacit wharf]

in about 45 mins

[blissful topaz]

what they streamin

[ember token]

talkin about f2p updates and stuff i think

heard theres gonna be news on burying bones

[tacit wharf]

#developer-news

[blissful topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-laughing-rage-bait-gif-8366393814504091925

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-blocked-cat-block-block-cat-cat-block-gif-12390661323466413430

[tacit wharf]

suggest to not make it so easy then, for those layups

[vivid ruin]

They did in fact make brutus bones burryable with a click :p

[blissful topaz]

and im happy for it

hope u people can see now how nice feature it is and can perhaps support/understand my run for getting it to the other bones

[vivid ruin]

Im 99 pray so already but training prayer is pretty quick anyways

Id rather use the bones at an alter and not accidentally burry them

[tacit wharf]

imagine wanting to pick up the bone but then u bury it instead

[blissful topaz]

game setting disable on/off

like arrows, automatic wield or inv

[oblique mesa]

Nah its soulful and old school that you have to pick them up and bury them.

Cow boss is just in line with Obor and Bryo.

[quiet plank]

Make it a right click to bury. Same as how you can right click light logs

[chrome lantern]

Pretty sure the specific purpose for only making it ground-bury is so that you specifically can't bring it to altars for bonus xp, not any other reason

[frail plover]

can't you do this already? or am I hallucinating?

[sonic wasp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1rgc1xi/leagues_6_yama_riddle_can_we_figure_out_the_start/

April 29th?

[hasty rapids]

People in the comments saying early april because otherwise it would overlap with dmm allstars

[craggy wind]

Yo that’s actually fair

[sharp cave]

idk if im just dooming because dmm was so fundamentally unfun

but i really hope that the whole dart picking the map isnt like... "league breaches"

[limber creek]

you mustve played a different version cause i had a blast.

[sharp cave]

would be genuinely horrible

like i really really hope it isnt yama picks a region and now theres a bunch of demons to kill for league points

[limber creek]

thatd make no sense. breaches in dmm are there for points yes but also to provide pkers moments to pk. In leagues theres no pvping others so i really dont see a point at all in breaches.

[abstract marsh]

if anything i think the yama twist is more you can choose your own journey but yama will tempt you elsewere with bigger gains but a twist to the region but ultimately you may beabke to refuse and still choose your own path

[craggy wind]

Bro they are cooking with these league announcements lol

[vivid ruin]

You can pvp in wilderness on leagues, but it doesnt do anything but interrupt lol

Last leagues thunder sword go brrrrrr

[dire mango]

Don't you see how this feature completes the game in terms of QoL? The people are saved. The masses will suffer no more. The benefits are immeasurably large! 🦴

[manic star]

The Portal Nexus teleport configuration menu only allows you to sort your teleports with swap, rather then allow for insert+swap like the logic used in the bank interface

Has that always been like that?

[ember token]

yeah

[manic star]

Oh

[round lintel]

To be honest the dart picking to mean is meant more of randomized start region

Rather than breaches

[vivid iris]

If you can't drink from a Bottomless Milk Bucket full of chocolatey milk, nor pour it into another bucket, wtf are you supposed to do with it?

[meager flame]

ngl i dont think usable items was very high on the priority list with that boss

[ember grove]

afk cooking xp for uims but it's mostly for the vibes

[meager flame]

like basically everyone that you watch try the update gets that item and says "wtf is this for lol but who cares i guess"

[vivid iris]

so when you put the chocolate milk in the bucket, you can do nothing except empty it out (destroying the chocolate milk in the process)

[meager flame]

we need to invent some insane usage for it

can you pour a bucket of milk on the fires during olm to break people out

like you can with watering cans/vials of water

[vivid iris]

you can use it to make butter, cream, and cheese via the milk, although unlike what they said in the original blog post, you cannot store those things in the bucket.

[meager flame]

I did see a long discussion about that the other day actually

[vivid iris]

2 of the 4 things you can store are quest items (hangover cure & milky mixture) so, same as chocolate milk, useless

[ember grove]

initially you could bring a stack of noted chocolate dust into the inferno with it for 10k heals but they hotfixed it out

iirc

[meager flame]

Honestly it wouldn’t make a ton of sense to store cheese etc and whoever wrote the blog did a bit of a poor job explaining how it would actually work

And yeah examples like that are why

[vivid iris]

I saw that, but if you can't do anything with the chocolate milk in it, the option should be removed entirely. As a replacement, perhaps allow us to store butter (since it doesn't heal)

[sharp cave]

Not true at all

Their primary purpose is pvm to gather points

U are deluding urself if u think they were in any way shape or form a successful pvp event

[sharp cave]

It didnt do anything but interrupt in ddm too

[icy relic]

Breaches is basically for PvMers to farm points

Safety in numbers + waste of time killing people instead of hitting bosses

Some people will look to pick people off who get greedy but it's basically minimal risk

[round lintel]

I think the most ridiculous thing I saw was in max bracket someone splahing on him during the breach so he could wear max and not getting pked

I think a small clan cuz it was like 3 people doing it

[chrome lantern]

Isn't that actually bannable in DMM tournaments

[round lintel]

Yes, it is.

[chrome lantern]

Not that that information is actually easily known

[round lintel]

It is for regular players

[chrome lantern]

Is it?

Where would you even find that info

I only vaguely know it from previous DMM

[round lintel]

I meant regular players of dmm

It was big announced since 3 dmm ago

Boxing = perm ban in dmm

Same as muling was

[limber creek]

bro this stuff pissed me off lol it 110% happened stupid often in max bracket

and people doing breaches under protection shouldve never been a thing

[sharp cave]

Why so you could attack people who are risking more that also cant fight back

[limber creek]

you can always fight back if you're being hit. Don't throw in victimology here.

[sharp cave]

Factually wrong

[limber creek]

Also turns out they didnt risk the same gear not under protection aint that crazy

hows that wrong lol? Explain give a single scenario

[sharp cave]

Breaches, the thing we are discussing

[limber creek]

since when can you not hit someone back at breaches?

perhaps we're not reading each other well

[sharp cave]

Acting as if one of the biggest complaints was it was impossible to see who was attacking you?

[limber creek]

you had to be a huge noob to not be able to turn on auto retal and see who your char hits lol

[sharp cave]

Due to it only rendering players in like a 5x5 grid around you. And even then how are tou meant to figure out who's actually attacking when thers 30 players on each tile

[limber creek]

try using eyes next time it helps

worked for me

[sharp cave]

Ah ok my bad i thought i was supposed to close them

[limber creek]

yeah i can tell its okay bro lmk if you need more help.

pro tech was to watch who you auto retal to add that player to ignore then turn on entity hider 😛

very unintuitive

[sharp cave]

Niiiice that sounds really cool, what do i do if im on the official client or mobile?

[limber creek]

walk out of the crowd and look whos hitting you. I know thats a tough concept.

tanking one freeze on a full inventory is so hard though 2/3

[sharp cave]

Doesn't matter anyway since u could cap points like 5-6k points per breach in brown skull rags

[limber creek]

true that brother

[sharp cave]

I mean idc I didnt get attacked once at a single breach during the whole league

[limber creek]

i just ignored people at the ge before hand in items i wanted

breaches sucked regardless lol i wont lie

[final atlas]

pvp tracker plugin shows who’s attacking you

and most times you can just freeze, break line of sight and tp

[noble tundra]

Is the Herb Sack bugging getting fixed?

Random order of herbs and massive ammount of herbs in the sack I mean

Can't deathpile properly if it's still bugging and those herbs aren't removed from the sack

*uim struggle mode

This needs to get fixed

Reported ingame and tried to message here but still no fix?

Update was week ago :D

[ember token]

update was a few days ago

and now it's the weekend

aka jagex isnt working rn

[noble tundra]

uim gamers can't play the game let's go on holiday

and sorry yeah it was only couple days ago but still

feels like a week :D

[ember token]

TIL the weekend is a holiday

[noble tundra]

im going to get banned for dropping 3k herbs on the ground cause I cant play normaly like this

RMT ban incoming im 100% sure if I do it

[tacit wharf]

maybe try not deathpiling

[analog crow]

So no twitch broadcast for the dmm finale?

[tacit wharf]

they stated there wouldnt be

[analog crow]

rip

[limber creek]

unless you're a victim XD XD

[sharp cave]

Ah yes, best retort is just use the janky ass freeze log

Fun for everyone involved im sure

[vivid ruin]

But its a mechanic that works so why not

[sharp cave]

Boxing was a mechanic that worked why was it changed

[vivid ruin]

Im not sure what you mean i still get boxed by scouts until a team shows up

[sharp cave]

Lol great game

[limber creek]

i mean considdering you were crying about being able to fight back. its a tactic most people of the same mindset would utilize.

[sharp cave]

it isnt fighting back though

how is stunning them then disengaging from the fight "fighting back"

[analog crow]

I think you'll enjoy the game more if you pretend pvp doesn't exist. It's not too far from the official stance at jagex.

[limber creek]

Oh okay i see the disconnect here.
Whenever you cast a spell on the player you are engaging in pvp combat. Hope that helps brother. its not a hard concept.

The whole "OH NO someone hit me on deadmanmode!" is super funny though.

Oh no!!!!

[sharp cave]

why? if im playing leagues i dont want to be interupted every couple minutes when theiving gnomes?

[limber creek]

Dmm isn't leagues. You should look at the title its very telling.

[sharp cave]

interesting, seems like most of the player based played it like leagues

[analog crow]

Many people fell for the false advertising

[sharp cave]

yeah i mean it was fine, the game mode was entierly playable completly disengaged from pvp
i barely got attacked, and it was easily possible to do everything with basically no risk

[limber creek]

I can't believe the gall of someone to attack another player in a pvp gamemode! The audacity!

[sharp cave]

idk if that speaks well for the game mode though

sounds like its a failure if the winning strategy is to not engage with the modes "main" purpose

[analog crow]

Did you see the finals?

[sharp cave]

i did yeah, embarrasing

[limber creek]

Finals are always a shitshow and this one was no different lol.

[sharp cave]

i find it hard to believe they didnt see this coming

[limber creek]

i find it hard to believe you're crying about being attacked in a pvp gamemode but here we are.

[sharp cave]

most of the problem would have been solved by banning purple sweets

[analog crow]

Would be solved easily by having an npc that attacks with high hitting typeless damage if you're not in combat with a player.
You wouldn't need the fog.

[sharp cave]

idk whats the point in adding in npcs to the pvp event?

we trying to turn deadman into primarily a pvm event or what?

[limber creek]

Jin is just baiting honestly not worth engaging

[sharp cave]

the fog is "fine" the problem is it shouldnt be outeatable

[limber creek]

The fog wasn't outeatable.
You just don't have a clue what you're on about.

[analog crow]

The fog is dumb and we have known this since woox cheesed it in the first dmm

[limber creek]

It hit 30's if you stepped outside the main range 😄

[sharp cave]

brackets 1 and 2 both ended with both player eating food and spamming redemption

no pvp involved

[limber creek]

didnt bracket 2 end with a dfs special 🤔

[sharp cave]

yeah it ended with one of the 2 players trying to dfs spec the other player, missing their redemption and then dying

punished for trying to pvp

[limber creek]

youshould watch it back big bro

[sharp cave]

pog

it was bracket 1 if semantics are important i guess

[analog crow]

https://tenor.com/view/winning-move-play-wargame-wargames-gif-11986955664532117564

[sharp cave]

b2 was just a guy standing in the corner with dinhs eating lol

[ashen yarrow]

most winners won because they telegrabbed full inv of food before top 100

[chilly sequoia]

When is menu entry swapper going to happen on default osrs? Blackjacking is a pain with the talk to option when pickpocket can't be left clicked.

Have tried to disable npc attack options but it's difficult on mobile without runelite

[torpid delta]

it is a thing already in settings

unless you mean a version of mobile menu entry swapper that doesn't implode if you look at it wrong, in which case lmao who knows

but it works fine for at least normal thieving, can't say i've blackjacked with it though

[chilly sequoia]

I dont find anything specific that helps with cancelling talk to option?
Finally got over this because im lv49 so no more blackjacking

[nocturne solstice]

Seems like you dont have the setting enabled, otherwise sub menus would have a circle at the top right

[languid tundra]

Give us barbarian pie dish smashing because you guys keep putting pies in every single supply drop and I’m sick of dropping them and accidentally picking them up

[chilly sequoia]

Looks like minimenu reordering would help in that ;o

[round lintel]

I hate the 1/5 supply drop to replace actual drops. So annoying

[chrome lantern]

Drop tables like that are just unnecessary when you can just do a normal drop table without doing that and still have the same effective drop rates

[minor whale]

I mean
I'd rather have the supply drops than not and if it doesn't actually change the drop rates, why does it matter at all?

If they "could" change drop tables but the end result is identical to the current implementation

[noble tundra]

Why herbs are in wrong order in this new herb sack? Need to take ranar and toadflax before getting those irits from it

Normal herb sack was normal herb levels but now it seems to be bugging

The silklined herb sack

[analog crow]

monkey paw curls
instead of supplies you get 200 mind runes

(Don't worry Vard I still love you despite your cheaper-than-dirt drops)

[obsidian venture]

ye ngl

seshed out a trip of vard and it's not bad

can do a single hour long trip

and supplies you get sustains

[hasty shard]

i want supply drops at things that take a while to actually get to

lowkenuinely halve all the dt2 drops and make them roll twice

actually wait wtf

why DIDNT they do that

all this dry protection bs when they could just do hydra drops or some shit 😭

[meager flame]

i dont honestly know why they try new things without a clear purpose when it comes to drops

i guess its more boring for people designing it but honestly we've tried a million things and we're playing a game that's like almost 30 years old we know what does/doesn't work well so it seems like anything thats being changed should have really solid logic behind it

like for example if they want to change supply drops it would basically be a waste of everyone's time if they just created a new system that was effectively just as random as the old one but

if they wanted to create an interesting way to restore some stats etc between kills or otherwise resupply that was more consistent that might be interesting

since honestly the only real flaw with most normal supply drops and their average is when you're not hitting the average

so like on scurrius when they let you eat the cheese or whatever thats meaningfully different and that's a good attempt at doing something new

but remixing how they drop 13 bass or whatever is probably just some guy that's bored lol

[round lintel]

I just hate when I go to dt2 bosses for example I get b5b supply drops

people here say if they werent there you still get trash but it doesnt work like that really, you are just hitting the most common drop because it exists if it doesnt exist the roll could be up or down on any drop rate.

[icy relic]

Every boss has junk drops, the tables are balanced accordingly

I do prefer supply drops to be on a secondary like muspah because pizza parry at Yama sucks, but it all factors into the overall balance

[obsidian venture]

I love that tbh

extends the trip

[hasty shard]

every boss does not have junk drops whuh

unless we’re counting rdt and seed table

[remote ruin]

by virtue of market value, every boss drops something that isn't worth much at all. sapphire bolt tips from vorkath, spider carcasses from sarachnis, iron arrow bulk drops from some of the older og bosses, sun-kissed bones from varlamore bosses

[dreamy fractal]

Point is the boss drop table is balanced around an expected value, and that includes the supply drops. If there was no supply drops, they'd just add more trash drops or make the trash drops more common. They wouldn't make the good drops more common.

A non perfect vard kill assuming you won't use the axe heads is still like 200k on average, and you can kill 25+ of them in pretty standard gear per hour. That's not bad at all

[hasty shard]

they could just reduce the good drop value

like that is an option

why did basically every dt2 boss need a corp onyx bolts drop exactly

[hard axle]

If you gave me infinite supplies over garbage loot, I would prefer that tbh

[hasty shard]

no loot and double pet chance

bloodied blows for faster uniques is lowkey cool but like entirely unintended i feel

cause we already had to beg to not get a shit orb system that they still put in

[hard axle]

Yup, a high risk fight that you either get shit on or you do it right

This is what base Yama should have been, not this med level nonsense imo

And you still have a choice to play safe if you want to

[hasty shard]

also pluginscape boss frfr

when is tile metronome getting bannedp

[burnt stratus]

looks like the new herb sack still shows old herb sack icon as a place holder in the bank after the update last week. I've read through the discord but can't find the place where to mention this (or if its already known)

[nocturne solstice]

You can report bugs in-game by right clicking the red "Report" button near the chatbox and selecting "report game bug"

[brave hearth]

mobile client update for easy account switching this week, right?

[true talon]

What is tile metronome

[trim needle]

Hmm.. anyone having issues logging in on Mobile since the update? It logged me out and I cannot log back in

[trail sandal]

How about we fix the POH pathing bug? It’s been a week.

[tacit wharf]

?

its monday, not wed

[limber creek]

Its wilderness related so they don't really care lol

[trail sandal]

Didn’t realize it was so complicated to fix a pathing bug.
Should’ve been fixed that day

[limber creek]

idk if its just pathing. its probably a literal wall that we just cant see

[tacit wharf]

there are hot fixes which can be done while the servers are still up

and then there are cold fixes which need the servers to be restarted

no reason to take the servers down over a little thing like that

[trail sandal]

You’re absolutely right it should’ve been tested and fixed before it even went out to the live servers

[frail plover]

I think it’s invisible doors based on how turning doors on fixed it

[limber creek]

yeah or the little bitty ancient wyvern shield duplication glitch. that's such a little thing who would care.

[trail sandal]

Turning doors off and on does not fix it I’ve done it several times

[limber creek]

I think you're lying

[frail plover]

I thought people said it did fix it 🤔

[limber creek]

someone probably said they casted telegrab on the pool and full healed to. u gonna believe that?

[limber creek]

hey bro. clicking around your house a single time is a lot of QA. That'd take like MONTHS of dev time!

[ember token]

the ancient wyvern shield is more reasonable, kinda weird for them to be entirely untradeable for a week instead of restarting the servers to fix it

[frail plover]

Idk I thought people said here that using manual doors fixed the issue but maybe I hallucinated that

[ember token]

the wildy poh thing i don't understand though, why so many people are so upset it hasnt been fixed yet and that jagex isnt giving 24/7 updates on it lol

[limber creek]

niche shield that literally 9 people traded on a daily volume previous to the glitch. versus a POH changer that bricks your entire house. 🤔

hmm how many people have houses 🤔

[frail plover]

Fr tho all they gotta do is change the theme back for like a few days until it’s fixed

[limber creek]

i bet its more than 9

[ember token]

yeah people are acting like their house is stuck like that lol

the player response is the respone i would expect if there was no way to change it back and you had no choice but to deal with it all week

[covert cradle]

ppl wanna use their new recolor, cant blame em

[limber creek]

just checked w/ the clan. yeah more than 9 people have houses in runescape.

crazy aint it

insane comparison tbh

[tacit wharf]

ya im pretty sure that was in ref to the wyvern shield, not poh's

[frail plover]

This is 100% all the people who bought the new poh theme and then sit here complaining it’s broken all week instead of changing the theme back until it’s fixed

[covert cradle]

i've seen more ppl complaining about people complaining, then i have seen people actually complaining lmao

[ember token]

well given that we are different people who participate in different communities, that's entirely possible

[meager flame]

i mean they're just weirdly selective about server restarts so i have a feeling there's probably additional reasoning around why they didn't just go ahead and fix

problem was probably harder to fix than it appeared or they have some kind of mandate about how often they can go through the process of a restart that convinces them to just live through problems that probably should've just gotten a restart

because from the players pov some people complain but honestly the servers going down for like actual seconds up to like 15 minutes most of the time isn't a huge deal

[sand scarab]

Are they looking into the ping spikes and routing issues?

[meager flame]

hopefully but idk if they've actually said anything

server performance is kinda down though

[oblique mesa]

Saw a post on reddit saying brazil servers got registered or something. No clue how true it is but that might be related to networking stuff

[meager flame]

this is honestly cyclical for jagex at this point tbh

[restive siren]

they made a pretty lengthy tech post a while ago saying they basically always are monitoring that and trying to improve it

[meager flame]

they basically go through cycles of server performance being alright and slip into weeks/months of it being somewhat degraded but still playable unless you get on a world where its extra bad

and then they fix it up again

its kind of interesting

because if you dont use the plugin to show you the performance you probably won't even realize for awhile that they drop off over time

[hard axle]

I never understood this. Just give people like 6 hour warning and then restart.

There’s nothing you can do that’s longer than nerd log anyway

[meager flame]

i almost dont even think the server performance thing is related to their networking stuff a lot of the time

i often wonder if the slow decline is actually just us watching them add more content and scripts running in the background and the servers are just slipping over time due to it

until they come in and clean it up

then do it again

well and the population of online players

because it almost always lines up with new updates

especially the big ones

like the last two raid releases had the servers struggling in the lead up and aftermath

[sand scarab]

ping just spiking to 200-400 every 10 seconds rn

[stiff jasper]

@delicate glen hey, sorry to bother,
I wanted to ask whether the issue with my DMM points were looked into.
Im still missing 6k points that were never transferred into my account after the event.

[glass fog]

considering that Brutus is a beginner boss meant for new players, do yall think that there should be a warning about leaving items on the ground being an instance?

[hasty rapids]

Experience is the best teacher. You will probably also at worst lose a few k worth of loot.

[glass fog]

true but it could be pretty discouraging for a f2p player who only started playing a week ago

[analog crow]

Good catch, yeah there should be a warning.

It will be the first instance a new player sees, so they can't be expected to know how they work

[lavish basin]

this update that is coming out soon better fix the routing issues people have on AUS servers

[restive surge]

What updates are planned for this week?

[restive siren]

we will find out tomorrow

[crude marsh]

i see 2 days update why idk

[frozen lion]

Will wilderness poh be fixed after game go live?

[idle egret]

that's my main question aswell

[slow acorn]

Patch notes aren't out yet right

Usually they are released before servers go into maintenance

[torpid arch]

It's just maintanence

[zealous briar]

We need more group bosses

-75min

Read game news

[slow acorn]

Oh yeah it's tuesday today

Waking up at 4:30am destroyed my internal calendar

Thought it was the weekly update

[ashen yarrow]

75min down time to fix wilderness poh and herb sack

[left wolf]

Huge

[jagged falcon]

When game back online?

[restive siren]

#game-news

#🟢online

[bitter terrace]

well the launcher, the discord and the website show 75 minutes, so...

[strange spruce]

Seems to be back up

[golden nebula]

wilderness poh still bugged?

[jolly crater]

Unable to teleport to Catherby through Portal Nexus. 10others I've tried works but unable to teleport to Catherby

[summer magnet]

Can confirm

same issue, just came to report it

[teal hornet]

same issue with nexus Catherby ha

[hallow nova]

Nexus Catherby wasn't working for me 5 minutes ago but now it is

[naive gyro]

can teleport to catherby just fine through nexus
edit:
cant move around some part of wildy poh still

[remote flint]

I still can’t enter my nexus room ffs….

Wildy POH is still bugged for me entering the nexus room…. Every entrance is an invisible wall blocking me from entering. When I remove wildy theme, I can access the room again. Hopefully JMods can see this and offer help…. IGN : Yikez Jr if I’m only one experiencing this bug

[naive gyro]

they just havent fixed it yet it seems

[jolly crater]

Chrisis averted regarding this now

[elfin geode]

When are you guys planning on fixing Wyvern shields? I know people that have gotten it due to bug still have it listed in the GE

Made us wait a whole week and still haven’t resolved the issue

[quaint oar]

Probably in tomorrow's game update

[elfin geode]

They activated it for a second today and then deactivated it

Couple mins ago

Probably realized a lot of but abusers still had theirs

[real plank]

Anyone lagging on aus servers? On mobile

[sand pivot]

i've been lagging on aus servers for past 2 weeks. usually 40ping, been on 120ping. not sure why, very frustrating

[median canopy]

@delicate glen @ancient ember This weeks maintainance and client update to 236.3 has not fixed the issue of the missing anti-aliasing options on the Official desktop client. In fact despite multiple reports since the issue started last week with 236.2 I still haven't seen any aknowledgment from Jagex that the issue exists. Has this feature just been offiically but silently removed for people who don't want to use third party clients?

[manic star]

It’s occurring for everyone with the wildly theme :/ if you need a good layout that works with the theme lmk I can send you a screenshot

[remote flint]

Please do, I’d love to be able to use everything in my poh lol

[hasty phoenix]

It should be fixed tomorrow I believe

[meager flame]

Truly hope this one fails even though I don’t think it will lol

[weary stag]

I like that they're experimenting with new foods tbh

[meager flame]

The last thing I want is to travel around the world collecting a bunch of weird niche food in the future because I need my anti vampire range only spec weapon food

Or some other nonsense

Especially when there’s actually no gameplay difference lol

You still just click food then continue attacking it just outputs a bigger number if it works

[frail plover]

I hope we get a wyvern shield update tomorrow with the game update. Kinda wanna know wtf happened or when they’re gonna be tradeable again

[meager flame]

I’d also feel better about the food probably if they properly considered how it works it’s pretty weird that they describe it as this controlled comfortable usage and then turn around and defend it having a small chance of just simply not working

I don’t think that adds anything other than a chance of getting really annoyed for no real reason lol

I’m sure everyone that’s ever done solo cox has rarely experienced the moment when you’re doing 4:1 and you actually just hit 0s and olm gets an annoying attack off because you couldn’t turn the head due to doing no damage in 4 hits

Not sure it’s interesting gameplay to build that experience into food

[smoky jungle]

I don't understand an annoying to obtain, high-risk high-reward food is being introduced when we have a "safe" option that works just as well being brews?

[limber creek]

oh yeah it definitely happens lol. Or splashing your mage hits and derping and not properly turning XD

[sacred oracle]

Could you explain this objection? I don't understand what you're getting at.

Is this an iron-only complaint? I thought you could just buy it.

If it's an iron-only complaint, I'll have to be honest and say I don't really rate it. I don't think we should be gating content from main game based on objections sourced from alternate game modes.

[obtuse timber]

I feel like the leech sandwich is just too many ideas crammed into one thing

like a food with a long eat delay but more healing could be cool
a food that gives you a single lifesteal hit could be cool (although that doesn't really feel like a food at that point)
and a food that requires you to do some action for a bonus could work

but a food with a long eat delay that gives you extra health but only if you get the hit within a short time limit is I think just too much

[austere mulch]

Maybe not what his intent was, but my view on it is similar to what’s taken place with rs3 herblore and the million and one steps needed to make the end result

Obviously this is a far cry from that, but it is a small step in that direction, so it’s something to be wary of

[sturdy wolf]

i feel like jagex thought to balance it out with all of that extra stuff. atm leecfin sandwich would THE best healing item for melee in a single slot outside saradomin brew (except something like sgs or massive stack of purple sweets etc.)

plus cus of the bis healing, they thought they needed to balance it with giving it an extra long delay thus... i does feel kinda crammed in that sense I get that, but I do also get why they felt the need to add all of that in a single food

[austere mulch]

Would like to stay as far away from this sort of system as possible, for as long as possible

[sturdy wolf]

also for a food that would heal you on ALL styles would be too OP ig? maybe. and them doing the things on single items instead might not work then...

food with longer eat delay? it would have to be BIS healing for it to matter - kinda like leechfin sandwich. but then again you would most likely use that food almost everywhere, which might be too OP/meta changing, also the extra healing would have to be bigger than just +1 over the current bis for it to matter/be benefical in taking over regular food

food that gives you lifesteal also would have to be better/worth more than current bis for it to matter at all for it to take anywhere, in late game standpoint - if there was a food that healed you for lets say 10+12 when you hit, legit no one in late game would bother using that since even a shark is almost the same healing, and the extra 6 ticks that you dont attack might risk you dying instead then. Plus the time limit on to the extra healing is imo smart as well/kinda needed since otherwise it could be too op again/abused in certain scenarios perhaps

[chrome lantern]

Nothing ever fails but I will continue to try to vote no. Fortunately this time it’s the only thing I intend to vote no on.

Mega turbo disappointed they didn’t address the necklace name though.

[chrome lantern]

What happened to the wyvern shield? This is the first I’ve heard anyone mention it

[carmine junco]

Nothing ever fails except for the thing that failed in the last poll I guess

Really?

[austere mulch]

Duke in lumby was handing them out

Instead of antifire

[chrome lantern]

tf

[carmine junco]

I think I heard it was oziach

[chrome lantern]

I don’t even know what you’re talking about failing

[carmine junco]

And the issue was that some bug happened with his code for creating the shield

And he skipped the check to make sure you had the visage

[carmine junco]

The cannonballs thing?

[chrome lantern]

I don’t really consider that a failed vote as much as a really really poorly written question

I still don’t know what they really intended

[carmine junco]

So nothing fails except for poorly worded questions

[frail plover]

They posted on twitter last week that they disabled trading for it and we haven’t seen an update since

[chrome lantern]

If you want to look at it that narrowly sure

[obtuse timber]

yeah I mean you're not wrong, I get how they ended up with this design, but I don't think that makes it a good design

[meager flame]

Yeah basically I don’t see a need for a million items with very shallow niches that you’re expected to keep stock of because they’re marginally better at random pieces of content while also having almost no real gameplay impact

[carmine junco]

Idk what's so complicated about the sandwiches

[meager flame]

It’s just annoying clutter

[carmine junco]

It's just slow food

[chrome lantern]

Questions we’ve actually seen fail:
-Cannonball splitting out (which is already a thing in practice)
-Nail beast noises
-Wrathmaw

[sturdy wolf]

so moving the goalpost I see lmao. what a sureproof strategy 😂 things occasionally fail still the polls, but only if they are truly bad ideas.

also for it being "badly worded" imo it was really clear: youd have 2 different steel cannonballs: 1 thats only usable for regular cannons - with same making speed as now, and second one thats for sailing and we can make even faster

[obtuse timber]

also slower food with higher healing I think definitely can be done, like hunter meats before the trawling fish were the highest healing food but they had enough delay that they weren't just the default food everywhere and were pretty rarely used overall

[meager flame]

Like this sandwich is effectively melee food but the gameplay is click my food then continue attacking

Just like all other food

[chrome lantern]

Another thing I’ve seen pointed out is that we literally just got several new bis foods 3 months ago with Sailing that people are still adjusting to using

[meager flame]

The catch is that it works for melee specifically

[carmine junco]

You say that but this food is specifically not for spam eating

[meager flame]

No food is for spam eating

[carmine junco]

Okay?

[obtuse timber]

karambwans explicitly exist for that purpose?

[carmine junco]

That's wrong but

Go off I guess

[meager flame]

If you’re doing that you failed gameplay wise unless I suppose it’s PvP

[carmine junco]

Weird, that's like the exact thing they said

[obtuse timber]

...yes recovering from mistakes is often what the food is for

[chrome lantern]

We already have dwarven cannonballs (steel/granite) and sailing cannonballs (everything else) and they can freely adjust every other tier of cannonball. It doesn’t matter if “steel sailing cannonballs” don’t exist because nobody was using them for that

[meager flame]

Yeah so like I said super shallow niche

[carmine junco]

Making mistakes is niche?

[meager flame]

Especially when brews are flat out better

[carmine junco]

Brews are better per slot sure

But are you really brewing everywhere?

[sturdy wolf]

i dont see how thats "adjusting" in using lol? they are literally just better choice than manta rays and karambwans no lol? there is no "adjustment" needed? you literally take them if you want +1/+2 healing over the regular old food and are either fine with paying more for them or as an iron can collect them? there is no change needed for the old regular usage

for example like with the new hunter meats which heal you slowly over time or the leechfin sandwich you couldnt just spam eat them everywhere and there is actual "strategy" and need to think a bit more where to use them which makes them more interesting

[carmine junco]

Hard food is still used in a lot of places

[meager flame]

If I’m doing content where I expect to care about hp per slot or to recover from massive mistakes

[carmine junco]

Like obviously brews are better

[obtuse timber]

the adjustment is that ironmen don't use them because they're way too much effort to get

[meager flame]

So now it’s melee food for content that’s irrelevant

Seems like the use case keeps shrinking

[carmine junco]

No, it's melee food for content that you're good at?

[obtuse timber]

turkey I have completely lost track of what point you're trying to make

[carmine junco]

Araxxor, Duke, vard, could easily all see use

[meager flame]

That the food is basically a super marginal and niche use case that doesn’t really add gameplay depth and is basically just minus one bank slot

[carmine junco]

Its too complicated, or too niche, or too something. Idk, it seems fine? I already know a few places I would bring it. Hydra as well. Probably cerb too

[meager flame]

I’d rather just skip the whole concept if they want that for the future of food

We already covered the bases

[carmine junco]

All the bases are covered, I see

[meager flame]

It’s also somewhat funny that they hand waved their own logic when it comes to the food failing randomly

[carmine junco]

They did not

They explained it

[obtuse timber]

I mean I think the sandwich absolutely has uses, if it gets added it will replace moonlight antelope meat in like 80% of the places I use it but I don't actually want that to happen

[meager flame]

Yes they explained confirming that it can in fact fail to rng but didn’t explain in any way how that’s good or should be that way

Disregarding the feedback

[carmine junco]

They didn't say it is good?

Lol

[sturdy wolf]

osrs is ALL about horizontal upgrades lol, niche smaller upgrades, leechfin sandwiches are LITERALLY that... not everything needs to be absolutely new bis everywhere... the exact same as the new proposed crush spec weapons - there are places where its gonna be BIS but not everywhere, which brings it on a nice balance - the exact same as the leechfin sandwich

[meager flame]

Yeah which is how you know that aspect should be removed

Because they can’t explain how it’s a positive addition

Because it isn’t one

Which is why they got the feedback

lol

[carmine junco]

Sure. That chance of it not working would mean it is useless. I guess

[sturdy wolf]

also I find it incredibly interesting that jagex is FINALLY proposing and suggesting different type of foods that work differently, and not just "click food --> it heals you X" back to attacking, they are doing something different and foods that work differently. thats AMAZING af imo. makes more variety and interesting gameplay

[kind surge]

I would not say it's interesting gameplay

[meager flame]

It’s just silly imagine if your brews had a 1% chance to do half healing

Nothing good will ever come of that

It’s just a back door into some annoying death for no real reason

[carmine junco]

It's not comparable though? It's not a brew

[obtuse timber]

ok but like... it's not just that

[kind surge]

also do we even need horizontal progression in consumables? rs3 doesn't even have that, it's just "there's better potions but the crafting tree is more complicated"

it's just bloat

[carmine junco]

And you'd have to compare brew dose to something else that works similarly?

[obtuse timber]

that's an unfortunate but rare downside to a design choice that was made for a different reason

[kind surge]

we have hunter food and new sailing food already

[meager flame]

Okay imagine your angler does half healing for no reason

[carmine junco]

Do we need them? No! Of course not, lol. We don't 'need' anything

[meager flame]

You use an xgs and it plays a splash animation when the heal should go off

[carmine junco]

Okay, what do I get in exchange for it working?

[meager flame]

Etc

[sturdy wolf]

on higher level you not being able to hit a single attack in 3 attacks is semi low - and that makes it more interesting and varied food. its a positive addition to the game - if you dont like it or dont want to use the food cus of the risk, then.... literally dont use it lol? I feel that its extremely silly in that sense to vote no for the food even more so...

If you feel like its useless food - then just never use it lol? It absolutely has use cases and adds tons of variety - especially for people that DO want it the food = it doesnt add anything NEGATIVE to the game, so why shouldnt it be added to the game?

[meager flame]

There’s just nothing good about randomly your supplies not working

[carmine junco]

What's the upside to dealing with the downside

[kind surge]

it's crazy that this is being seen as fine

[carmine junco]

The upside to sandwich is more healing per heal, the downside is sometimes a bit less

[meager flame]

Ya I can see people online choosing that side it happens with any game but I expect a lot better from the devs

[obtuse timber]

the upside is that it's more healing per slot without having to deal with brews, the downside is bringing a melee switch everywhere which I really don't want to do but I will because efficency

[meager flame]

There shouldn’t even be a chance of that happening assuming you do in fact go melee to trigger it

It’s just built in frustration for no reason

[sturdy wolf]

if you dont want the additional "risk" then legit do not use the food lol? its absolutely amazing food and the idea behind it is great imo. so hence it should be added to the game. the timeslot to his also is really big, 12 seconds. unless you are brewed down or something theres gonna be really really low chances thats gonna happen to you...

[carmine junco]

It is for a reason

You just don't like the reason

[obtuse timber]

12 seconds? I thought it was 5 seconds

[meager flame]

What reason is there

[kind surge]

because

yeah

[carmine junco]

So that it can work as melee food and heal more per slot.

[kind surge]

it adds variety and enjoyment though

[meager flame]

So you don’t know what we’re talking about

[kind surge]

you're not answering the question lol

[meager flame]

We’re talking specifically about how it won’t heal you if you manage to hit 0s

[ember token]

5(.4) seconds is the eat delay

[carmine junco]

Yeah? The reason is that the food works off of a melee hit

[obtuse timber]

oh I misremembered a full 50% of those numbers

[thick beacon]

it seems pretty rare though imo to hit 3 0s in a row or 6 0s in a row with scy

[obtuse timber]

hmm now I have to reevaluate how I feel about the sandwich

[meager flame]

And how their explanation was basically how that’s unlikely and not intended but if you’re unlucky I guess game sucks lol

[thick beacon]

like thats kinda extreme assumptions think its much calculated

[meager flame]

There’s just no reason for it to work that way

[kind surge]

don't see why it can't be any melee hit though

[carmine junco]

Because then you could easily just punch it or something and it wouldn't be melee food

[meager flame]

Because it sounds unlikely but I immediately thought of how you can sometimes fail to turn the head while on melee hand

[carmine junco]

Sure, then you deal with it.

[meager flame]

Except now that’s your food suddenly not working

[kind surge]

you wouldn't punch because that's a lot more annoying to unequip than to have a melee weapon swap

[thick beacon]

idt anyone is bringing this over brews at cox

feel like vard only place id use it

[meager flame]

It’s just so hilariously unnecessary

[carmine junco]

Then you'd just do that. That's why it's a hit, not a miss

[meager flame]

Yeah you wouldn’t use it at cox

[obtuse timber]

ok full explenation:
The devs wanted a melee food, one that was better if you were using melee but required melee to get value from.
to do this they made it so you have to land a melee hit to get the value
you need to land the hit because otherwise you wouldn't need to melee the enemy you could just unequip any weapon or equip a goblin paint cannon and slap them for a 0
because of this there is the unfortunate concequence that occasionally, very rarely, you will fail to get the value when meleeing normally

[meager flame]

That’s just a real situation showing you how you do in fact hit that many 0s on occasion

[obtuse timber]

the reason does exist, you can disagree with the outcome but like... they definitely had a reason to do that

[thick beacon]

idk its unfair to assume that imo

[kind surge]

I mean I would just say this is completely unnecessary for a food item

[thick beacon]

like its rarer to not hit that then missing dwh id imagine

[kind surge]

this just seems more complicated than any consumable rs3 has

food is not meant to be some weird unique thing

[thick beacon]

im not a fan of it either tbh regardless

[meager flame]

I just think your supplies having a failure rate is not something we should be experimenting with ever

[kind surge]

lets leave the things that actually make content more "fun and varied" to things like gear slots and spells

[meager flame]

Like lol

They talk about how it’s this controlled consistent thing where you’re confident etc

But surprise actually this stuff might just not work at all when you’re intended to use it

[carmine junco]

Except in this situation it still would be better even in the rare instance it failed?

[thick beacon]

if ppl wana play for that idm brews is still best food anyway

[meager flame]

For now

[thick beacon]

im not a fan but thats how things like sgs and ags work and even zcb dwh etc

[carmine junco]

The only thing that's going to beat a brew would be a new healing potion

[kind surge]

but those are weapons that normally have accuracy checks anyways

[thick beacon]

ye but they can fail

[kind surge]

not a food item that always does what it's meant to do

[meager flame]

Those only work that way based on hitting or not from the jump

[thick beacon]

that sounds worse imo having 3 chances to get a effect is a lot more easier then 1 chance obv theres extra details but ye

[meager flame]

They don’t have a 99% success chance where you just have to assume it’s working and then it just doesn’t

[thick beacon]

u get base 16 hp healing and then a bit more if hit a melee hit within that time frame

[meager flame]

They’re also reusable and take one inventory slot

[thick beacon]

well a lot more then that but u never walk away empty

[kind surge]

we absolutely don't need a better healing potion than a brew

those already heal so much per inv

[carmine junco]

I didn't say we should, but it is very unlikely such an item would be proposed.

[thick beacon]

wait u can take 2 bites of it?

in a single slot

[obtuse timber]

the main thing I don't like about it is the number of mechanics that are both unique to just the sandwich, and aren't related to the main point of it
as in it's the only 2 tick food you can't combo eat, it's the only food with different eat and attack delays, it's the only food with a delay longer than 3t
that's just too many things on top of the unique melee mechanic that's actually the point of the food

[meager flame]

But yeah idk backing all the way back up I just don’t think it’s adding anything gameplay wise

[meager flame]

I meant the spec weapons

[carmine junco]

I think the idea is that they'd like to add other foods in a similar vein, given that they'd be adding prep stations.

[meager flame]

Like at the end of the day with all food you click food then click boss and the only thing we’re really doing here is figuring out how to make that only work with melee and I guess adding rng to it so maybe it fails

[kind surge]

also we also have soulflame horn now that guarantees hitting with melee specs in teams

[meager flame]

I don’t think we’re winning with updates like that lol

[obtuse timber]

yeah, but like I feel like some edges could've been safely trimmed here to make the design simpler and have less hidden tick numbers to remember

[carmine junco]

Maybe, sure. Except I would expect this to not be hidden, and there to be a game message indicating things. But you're right, I don't like the idea of hidden numbers.

[obtuse timber]

but almost certainly if this does pass they will want to add ranged and magic equivelents later

[ember token]

yeah idk about that https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Food/Fast_foods#Table_of_fast_foods

[obtuse timber]

come on when does the game ever actually tell you about eat delay, let alone this specific food which will have 2 different delays, one of which doesn't work the same as all other foods with that delay

[meager flame]

It doesn’t

But the game doesn’t tell you about anything that actually matters so idk

[obtuse timber]

uh... ok well now I'm just confused in general I guess my previous point was wrong then

[meager flame]

Jagex does a lot of the like

[obtuse timber]

why the fuck do only some of the pies have a different eat delay on only the second bite

[meager flame]

Mystery game mechanics lol and the wiki and a few people save us all

[thick beacon]

maybe ppl like the concept in a diffrent flavor a lot of ppl liked ranged aramdyl brews. if it was guarnteed healing would that be better?

[meager flame]

Like tds and their damage increase window and how that interacts with weapon speed and damage type

Just completely random shit that someone had to put on the wiki for us

[thick beacon]

they added a lot of random stuff to with trawling like 5 pray point one and some other really wierd stuff

feel like they just want to fill random spaces for the heck of it doesint really hurt anyone

imo

[obtuse timber]

yea I mean a few of the hunter meats no one uses also do that

[thick beacon]

i forgot about those

[obtuse timber]

like cooked dashing kebbit meat restores 10 run energy for some reason

and moonlight antelope cures venom

[meager flame]

I’m just worried about the niche reward space obsession with stuff like food because eventually

They run out of space and it moves up to actually mattering

[carmine junco]

This is actually nice for hydra

[obtuse timber]

yea I use it at zulrah

[thick beacon]

thats the first time i heard of that lol wtf

[obtuse timber]

well I did until I got 92 slayer for araxytes and the extended antivenom pots

[ember token]

dashing kebbit was useful at duke before the run energy rebalance, probably the only use for it now is that yama contract

[thick beacon]

i mean they did this with a lot of ironman gear prog like moons was really pointless so was folly antler guard but like idk

[meager flame]

I actually like those attempts at it more

[thick beacon]

theres a lot of ppl that dont wana use brews/blood fury at vard

so leechfin will be good

[obtuse timber]

??? what do you mean moons was pointless I think moons was great

[meager flame]

Because food that gives energy or prayer too etc is like

[thick beacon]

just heard ppl not having extended antis so they found a niche use for moonlight antelopes

[obtuse timber]

idk imma just go to sleep

[thick beacon]

in terms of practical progression/eff it didint do anything useful

[meager flame]

Actual additional logic on why you might choose to eat the food in the moment

[ember token]

i honestly think the sandwich is simpler because i could not tell you what the eat delays and attack delays are of anything you can eat in multiple bites

[meager flame]

Which I think is actually gameplay

[ember token]

whereas it's easy to understand the sandwich is short attack delay and long eat delay

[obtuse timber]

maybe that's true for mains idk I just play ironman

[carmine junco]

Idk, let them add the sandwich, let's see how it works. Worst case no one makes it, best case it lands well.

Hopefully the skilling that surrounds it feels good to do

[ember token]

I don't disagree about potential concerns of them introducing more food like this though

[meager flame]

I don’t really think food that you click at the same time you’d always click food and then you have to read two paragraphs to see how it accomplishes what all other food does makes much sense in comparison

[thick beacon]

for irons same way u skip mithril scimmy skip atltal and go to bowfa and oathplate and bloodbark. u can just get better options without much downside

[meager flame]

But like eating the meat to cure your venom maybe instead of for the heal is something the player actually cares about

[obtuse timber]

ok I just checked, an atlatl is 2.2m and a bowfa is 168m

those do not seem comprable

moons gear seems to work pretty well as a cheaper earlier game option

[thick beacon]

ye im saying if ur a ironman u do that u cant even bring ur atlatl into cg

[obtuse timber]

before you buy the big items like bowfa

[thick beacon]

and if ur doing cg then u wont use atlatl after bowfa

[obtuse timber]

o

right, well no because cg is a massive pain and I don't want to

[meager flame]

Tbf it works that way for mains too just with several other items or methods

[ember token]

yeah i mean it just doesnt take 2 paragraphs to understand, you don't need to know the specific numbers

you eat the sandwich, it heals you, and then you heal further from your next melee hit

[obtuse timber]

(I do have to do cg, I have like 200kc in it but it's just pain)

[thick beacon]

my point just was that efficent route didint change but ppl got a niche if they couldint follow that route

[obtuse timber]

yea I'm getting too tired

[carmine junco]

Atlatl still good, and Moons gear is still nice even with bowfa

If you want to rush for bowfa, or if you're dry as an iron on it, atlatl is very good still

[meager flame]

Ya this is why I think ultimately it’s a silly item

[thick beacon]

like a lot of answers to venom is getting antivenom+ but irons struggle to do that

then other options look appealing like cure me or moonlight antelope thing

[meager flame]

It’s like how do we do food but worse

Like basically the downside is you don’t want it if you’re getting obliterated basically but almost no content hits you like that without you just failing to a wild degree

So you’re not even too worried about food if that’s happening

You’re probably just running back to your grave

[carmine junco]

So chip damage isn't a concern?

[tacit wharf]

having a problem with this but not having a problem with prayer flicking

[meager flame]

Chip damage is the same gameplay with any food type currently

I’m talking about the actual gameplay of using the items

[carmine junco]

Except chip damage with few to no mistakes is where you'd want it

Arraxor, for example

[meager flame]

If you’re doing what you’re supposed to be doing and healing up chip damage you just click thing in your inventory then keep hitting the boss

[carmine junco]

Yes, exactly

[meager flame]

It’s not like suddenly needing to melee the boss because of the sandwich changed everything

You were doing that either way

[carmine junco]

Exactly!

You seem to be understanding the point but not at the same time

[meager flame]

That’s my point

It doesn’t add gameplay

[carmine junco]

So you'd prefer it if it radically changed the gameplay? I doubt that

[meager flame]

It’s just a convoluted way of doing food with downsides that we don’t currently deal with

So why create it

They didn’t add value

[carmine junco]

Alright, I'm done here. Enjoy voting no on it.

[inner pelican]

i had another read of the blogs and the main intent seems to be extending trips by getting more heal per slot when you don't need to combo eat to save yourself

[meager flame]

I’d feel differently if it was like a real gameplay change

Like how I’m not mad at hunter meats doing some additional different stuff maybe making you approach something differently

But the sandwich just doesn’t actually do that

It plays out the same way with a small chance of just not doing what it was supposed to

You’re probably looking at my old main I’m assuming?

lol yeah

[thick beacon]

we dont really have any info on rate of getting them either main can just use blood fury sgs its pretty solved

[meager flame]

This is how it would actually work I think

I feel like it’s mostly just a preventative measure to stop it from being too annoying in pvp though

[meager flame]

also i meant to reply to this earlier but forgot

i agree with you i do think that's what happened

im just not sure why it isn't like guaranteed to heal after 3 melee attempts or on your first melee that connects within x game ticks

theres some other stuff they could've done too like tie it to strength bonus or something just to make sure people were actually trying to melee with a real weapon

seems like they could get around the random failure that they dont really seem to want to have but snuck in at super low odds

[subtle merlin]

for once, im just going to vote no on the weapon. im tired of spec weps.

[restive siren]

im tired of updates, gonna vote no too

[subtle merlin]

na love updates, but this wep looks so good. i know high end pvm is about switches and what not, i just want some chill in the game.

[tender peak]

I'm tired of spec melee weapons

[meager flame]

i do think they're in a weird situation with spec weapons im not sure how to word it though

like

lets say you're end game right now you're probably looking at your zcb, d claws, b claws and vw if you want one that just does damage to the npc

that's already a pretty healthy amount of options and at least two of those are very easy to get (exception being that they probably have a massive gap to fill for magic spec weapons in general and making them worth using)

idk how many more direct damage spec weapons they can really add to the rotation before it starts feeling a little silly

we're arguably already there on a lot of bosses where all of those options might be good and close enough to each other than it doesn't functionally matter which one you use

and if not all of them a lot of the time at least two of them are rather close to each other

that probably contributes to a lot of people being not super excited to see another added

i think they probably could've gotten crush claws off as an update without as much push back if they hadn't gone for a weapon model that people have really wanted to see for a long time

seems like a bunch of people are disappointed that it looks really cool but they won't get to spend time looking at it lol

i also think a lot of people are low key annoyed with jagex and their crush progression in general since it kind of swings from too low level to really matter up to an insane grind for a weapon that's just worse than slash weapons that happen to have a crush option

so they probably just really want a good crush weapon to hit things with

[true talon]

i agree, were is the range spec weps.

[obsidian venture]

Idm a crush spec weapon tbh

Interesting niche

Raids 4 could push for a crush meta who knows

[true talon]

I think there is going to be a crush style update and raids 4 is going to be crush based

[obsidian venture]

Toa was basically Stab meta for melee

[meager flame]

i honestly think just from reading the blogs

that raids 4 drops a crush weapon

[true talon]

yea

Crush raid for sure

[meager flame]

because their logic is kind of nuts like

"we cant add a crush weapon mainhand to future content because then in future content we won't be able to fill the niche"

[true talon]

We cant have it be a main hand wep an a spec wep, meanwhile "voidwaker"

[meager flame]

aka we are making a crush weapon already just not from here

[sonic gate]

i wouldve been fine if they made it just as good as the bludgeon maybe a little less powerful?

[true talon]

They should make it 50 attack.

no good 50 atk weps 🙁

[obsidian venture]

Well tbf, there’s a summer rebalance happening as well. So based on what happens there, will lead to what raids 4 could buff

They mentioned a shadow rework as well last year, so maybe that’s still on the table

[meager flame]

it could also be that they're being extremely tactical with their updates in general

[obsidian venture]

Curious to see if they buff elemental stuff

[meager flame]

they know for example that the range neck upgrade is important enough to solo carry the boss

[austere mulch]

I use dinhs more than bclaws tbh

[meager flame]

and don't want to give it two good items

[austere mulch]

Dinny b the unsung hero

[meager flame]

yeah theres some other stuff too like i could've included chally

but that's usually like the second spec weapon you bring with the other good one due to timings etc

and i was just naming off more generic stuff

[austere mulch]

Also idt we’re getting a crush mega. At least I’d hope not

Almost instantly becomes better than scythe on any def neutral targets unless it has a weird quirk, assuming better crush arm is released, because dwh/elder are also crush

[meager flame]

mainly though i just think they're getting close to the moment where people kind of dont get excited anymore about new niche applications for some items

just due to the volume of options

[austere mulch]

And as much as it is stupid, crush mega slot is already more “filled” than stab mega. Fang is much closer to stab bofa than it is mega

[meager flame]

i dont think they're quite there yet but

its getting close

[austere mulch]

Give us a mega rare spec wep

[meager flame]

because its just hard to get excited for a spec weapon if its appropriately balanced so you know its sharing the space with like 8 other spec weapons in the future

[ember token]

trust me guys raids 4 will definitely be a crush raid

[restive siren]

inq investor speaking

[ember token]

invest in inquisitors it will definitely keep going up and i wont be selling the 200 sets i have

[meager flame]

tbh i think inq is a good reason to add a crush mainhand from anywhere that's good

even if its just the crush noxious halberd

because it would drive demand for inq by far more than it would hurt the mace

i think a lot of people sort of think it would devalue pnm if they added a new better or easier to obtain crush weapon

without realizing it would drive demand for the armor set super hard

they could also just do something really insane like

make a shield that has a wild + crush bonus on it

to make the mace better lol

[ember grove]

I'm an absolute no on any buffs to nightmare drops unless they fix its miserable drop table

the only reason it's not cancerous to the game is because all of its stuff is niche

[meager flame]

i kind of agree but it depends on exactly what drop

like the armor set is actually not as insane drop rate wise the mace is pretty bad and then the orbs are basically insane still

basically armor/mace/staff table is 1 in 143 to just see something drop but lol the orbs are 1 in 533 and definitely deep in crazy person territory still

thats for any orb

individual orbs are 1 in 1600

[thick beacon]

even if i have best crush wep in game scy idk if I still care about having inq though for like anything apart nm itself

feel like crush just isint that useful rn

[meager flame]

yeah but when they add a crush weapon thats good/better than scy for crush its going to be for the content it comes from

likely gonna end up being the next raid

maybe not but it just seems like they plan on it and we only know about that other than the blood moon boss

blood moon boss probably also going to be crush otherwise they'd be making a spec weapon to not be used

[chrome lantern]

Magic is way worse off for specs. There’s 4 magic specs (volatile, eldritch, accursed, and eye), and nightmare staff+orbs is as rare as a megarare and barely worth using (if at all) while accursed is super rare as a rev weapon, and the only one that’s sometimes worth using is the eye and it’s more of a secondary bonus to its primary effect

[chrome lantern]

When tf are they tripling nm drop rates (5x orbs)

[warm storm]

the best magic spec weapon is voidwaker

: )

[chrome lantern]

Factual but I don’t acknowledge it or sara sword

[meager flame]

ya i think they honestly should be making a worthwhile dps spec for magic at some point just because its like

basically volly just isn't good enough lol at least not for pve

its like the ags of magic

the wand/scepter are usable and potentially good but they're specs to change stats like dwh

[hard axle]

proceeds to slap me when i use that

make ayak spec less damage, 2x reduction so same net reduction on average, but 3t spec

or u know, just let it 3t spec a 50 cuz that's really not the worst thing cuz its a literal spec

[round lintel]

Ayak spec is 5t not 3t

[hard axle]

im saying make it 3t

[thick beacon]

what was even their reasoning on makig it 5t?

accursed sceptre also drains stuff but they kept that 4t

[ornate needle]

Is the sarachnis instance 10sec again now or still broke?

[frozen lion]

Finally thanks for fix with wilderness poh invisible walls issue

[tropic kelp]

level up messages? literally rs3 smh

[ancient ember]

it hasn't been fixed with this update but we'll fix it as soon as possible appreciate your patience

[ancient ember]

they can be toggled off should you wish to do so

[chrome lantern]

Is there any intent to remove the 29-item limit on churning that currently exists, even if the inventory is full? Even if that limit were removed, churning still wouldn't be viable as a training method (<15k xp/hr in one of the fastest and easiest skills - Cooking). Currently the character stops churning at 29 products made.

[median canopy]

@ancient ember I still see no notice of the missing antialiasing options being fixed on the official client with this update? I mentioned it last week and initially you seemed to want to know more, but I think you had other matters to attend to and forgot to follow up

[winged mantle]

Wait there were different varients for the cow slippers apart from the base and awakened?

[median canopy]

The normal cow slipps have 4 styles that can be toggled like the colours of the chinchompa pet, apparently one is considerably rarer than the others

[winged mantle]

I had no idea

[fresh forge]

Alch your buckets moofriends

[fresh forge]

They’re worried a player will find a way to cheese it ig 😝

[vapid gyro]

Ava’s facility when?

[median canopy]

Player support when? Number of bugs I've logged using the in game tool that still exist months later is painful. At this point I think that they get sent straight into the bin

[rapid birch]

Hey @ancient ember ! Idk if youre the one to know, but wondering if sarachnis instance loot bug is known by the team, that loot doesnt stay on the ground for longer like other instances?

Thanks!

[upbeat comet]

Saw the update just in time to alch my milk buckets lmao

[uncut trail]

If you're talking about Sailing bugs, that skill might as well be a write-off. You can't just fix bugs because someone reports them. Especially if only one person has reported them and no one else has been able to replicate them.

They require research and likely reports don't get looked at on a daily basis.

Last and most importantly, you can't fix every bug. Some of those are load-bearing bugs! Other systems in different parts of the game world might rely on them, be careful! You might fix a bug and whoops, you just drained Gielinor's ocean or turned it yellow!

[fleet oxide]

Can we expect any official client updates/roadmap in the near future? I don't really care about plugins or anything like that, but do hope some more QoL features are built in to the official client.

[median canopy]

Even just the missing block on the Agility Pyramid, it's been like 5 months at this point. I've reported it multiple times, even seen it rank high on 2007 scape, how hard can it be to make one inivisible block reappear?

[upbeat comet]

It isn’t. In theory.

But game dev is VERY time consuming

And the sheer amount of code in question for multiple decades worth of development will not be easy to just add onto.

[vague viper]

Hey we're aware of this! We're investigating 🙂 Most likely any updates will go through our mobile channels!

[median canopy]

Thank you, at last this aknowledgment was all I wanted. I'll shut up about this now 🙂

[vague viper]

It's good to bring it to our attention! When you have mobile-specific bugs like this it's super helpful to raise it via the mobile channels and mobile bug forum as that's where we tend to focus efforts when keeping up with mobile bugs/issues

[ornate needle]

Ahh sorry got dragged back into some work. Thanks Yume, appreciate the response ❤️

[fleet oxide]

Should Steam client bugs/issues be logged under mobile as well?

[median canopy]

To be clear, I'm not sure if the bug is on mobile or not, I'm specifically reporting the Official Desktop (And I've heard from others, the steam Client) as well. I'm not sure if these all are considered the 'mobile client' internally though

[fleet oxide]

Can confirm Steam client has no anti-aliasing options.

[vague viper]

The preference is to keep it to mobile-specific bugs, but client does cover mobile too. But yeah we have a mobile and client category in the server so if you pop messages in there they are spotted quicker by the team that can investigate 🙂

[fleet oxide]

Ok, thanks. I'll continue to report bugs in game as well, but good to know.

[frail plover]

Adjusted Bottomless Milk Bucket's high alch value from 27,000 to 9,000 GP to better align with its rarity.

Seen that coming a mile away lol

[ornate prairie]

Oh hey, it's now actually possible to see the level up notification for combat skills without preplanning?

[stiff needle]

I can sense the Jeffrey Dahmoo-r vibes on the recent update picture.

[ancient ember]

I know the team has been looking into this, I'll make sure to bump this up

[elfin glade]

How long is "temporarily"? Will w629-w638 stay turned off until April 15th?

I'm assuming not, and it's just a few hours to switch the hardware/install new software

[tropic kelp]

its cool haha i was just memeing i think its great tbh especially for newer players

[upbeat comet]

Has there been any news on improvements to Menu Entry Swapper on mobile

[hasty rapids]

Speaking of Sarachnis, is the doubled respawn time for private instances of Sarachnis a intended mechanic?

[ashen yarrow]

should have been fixed in this update but not in patch notes

havent tested

[upbeat comet]

#game-update message

[hasty rapids]

Ok thanks

[rapid birch]

Amazing, thank you!

[golden elm]

Anyone else keep dcing constantly..

[harsh herald]

how comes player found safe spots are removed from content now? it never used to be the case that safe spots were removed

[restive siren]

probably because its a boss

[bronze kernel]

They always did fix unintentional safespots for bosses. Remember ToA had one for Wardens and Zebrk.

[tall yarrow]

Wow did they remove what you unlock in the level up pop-up?

[ashen yarrow]

replaced with chat message that you can right click to open skill menu

[tall yarrow]

I’m sure the game jam didn’t mention they would remove this

[ashen yarrow]

there is level-up chatbox list setting you can turn on to get short list in chatbox when you level up

[tall yarrow]

That’s nice but the list should have also been kept in the pop-up menu, at least as an option

[ember token]

it makes sense why they removed the list, because it was separate from the skill guide and they had to update it separately

which often resulted in inconsistencies and issues when they forgot to change or remove things that were updated

but they probably also couldve just re-implemented it in a way that avoids those issues

[prisma jackal]

I wish we could toggle off or remove the highlighted skill level up, feels like an annoying cheap mobile game feature lol

[ashen yarrow]

If the glowing icons and flashing stones are still a bit much for you, that's fine - there's a toggle for that. The "Level-up guide list" option lets you control whether the game will invite you to check the in-game Skill Guides after you've leveled up

[manic star]

Yesss wildy poh theme working now

Thank uuuu mods

[median jolt]

invisible saradomin clue wizard

[restive sapphire]

are sarachnis instance respawns fixed this update

[sacred skiff]

Not yet

[median jolt]

lol it was a sign, invisible sara wizard lead to gilded spear

[ancient ember]

You can!

"If the glowing icons and flashing stones are still a bit much for you, that's fine - there's a toggle for that. The "Level-up guide list" option lets you control whether the game will invite you to check the in-game Skill Guides after you've leveled up."

[teal hinge]

Might be a small bug, but the in-game skill guide for Mining shows Runite Ore at 92 instead of 85

[ancient ember]

We're aware of this 🙏

Will create a know issues table at the blog and mention this, thank you 🙂

[teal hinge]

No problem thanks 🙂

[analog crow]

Yoo this is huge

[tall yarrow]

Can the team explore putting the list of unlocks when levelling up back into the pop-up notifications after getting the congrats, like how it was done before? Would really like have that option still available

[frail plover]

“this month” means march 2026 right

[half cosmos]

Ancient Shadow Sceptre's stat reducing effect not working with Sire? or intended to not proc on the Shadow spell cast to initiate the fight and stun? Would be a good qol, meta shift for sire and more incentive to using Shadow Sceptre

hope a jmod sees this and forwards this

[ancient ember]

Can pass this onto the team yeah

[tall yarrow]

Thanks!

[idle rapids]

Weak update

[covert cradle]

hopefully before 2027

[ivory star]

What are the chances of demonic Brutus getting added as a CA? I think every challenge that’s already in the game should have a CA that comes with it for at least a kc right (I kinda think this about radiant too but that’s another story I guess)

[ember token]

probably not because they didnt do it at launch even though they should have

[idle rapids]

bcuz the game is catered to casuals

Thats why blood torva, radiant, and brutus slippers arent on clog

[ember token]

you can't even say its because then f2p players wouldnt be able to do all the combat achievements, because they already cant do the speed time

[ivory star]

Well sure for clog it's another story, but assuming it's a GM CA it wouldn't move the needle for anyone except people who already have a zuk helm right

[ember token]

that too

[idle rapids]

They put stuff like helmet of the moon on clog which is 1000+ hours of grinding on avg, but not stuff that actually takes any skill, just to encourage unhealthy playstyles

[scenic ibex]

Bh uniques and lms vls on collection log when?

[blissful topaz]

Could f2p players get access to the noted meat table from cow boss?

[ember token]

yeah its on their todolist right after burying bones

[idle rapids]

you can get a vls in lms? o.O never heard of that

All the other lms stuff is there and easily boostable tho so i wouldnt mind

[blissful topaz]

thank you

[cyan stone]

So my silklined herb pouch was empty before fix and update just checked it and some how i have 263 toadflax ect in it when should only hold 100 still not fixed ?

[rapid birch]

so i just leveled a skill up, there's no option to open the unlock interface like was mentioned in todays update. Did that part not get updated properly?

[ashen yarrow]

some levels do not unlock anything

[rapid birch]

you only get a chat message when something is unlocked?

[true talon]

Crazy how much these went up.

[rapid birch]

dam n iwas hoping to just see the "youve achieved 90 attack" lol but makes sense it woudln't trigger for everything

[ashen yarrow]

if you have level up pop-up message setting on it should give same pop-up as before for the level up. Being in combat automatically closes it though

[scenic ibex]

Lms vls can be used in a bh world while in the wilderness, unlike bh rewards that can only be used within Daimon's Crater, Castle Wars, Clan Wars, and Soul Wars. Boosting bh is not allowed but I don't think it is healthy how the devs ostracize the pvp community in the many ways they do. A log of all the unique items from different content in the game should be all inclusive.

[ember token]

i wonder how long this has been broken

[idle rapids]

From what ive heard people still boost BH anyways but yea its technically not allowed

And i agree with your last sentiment that all the unique items should be there

[idle rapids]

animation smoothing bug?

[ember token]

is that a plugin? i dont use that

[manic star]

they recently shortened the height of the large orray

to stop it clipping on floors above it

but I guess that caused stuff like that to happen now lol

[ember token]

they also updated the orrery in the observatory in the same way

and that one is broken too now

[true talon]

I swear the code in this game is hilarious. add a new boss and now oziach is giving out free member shields.

[ember token]

@ancient ember orrery and large orrery animations are broken, presumably since the update 2 weeks ago where they were shortened in height

[ember token]

I think what happened there with Oziach was something from the upcoming leagues leaking through - Misthalin is off limits and they showed a video of Yama having kidnapped a bunch of NPCs from Misthalin, Oziach and the Ancient wyvern shield are both in Misthalin (fossil island is counted as misthalin)

so it's probably part of a way to get items that are otherwise misthalin only

[wide steppe]

Any update on the status of the wyvern shield glitch?

[ember token]

yeah in the blog

Also, due to an issue with the Ancient Wyvern Shield, the ability to trade it was disabled to last Wednesday. We're working on tackling further issues on this, and once those are handled, we hope to re-enable trading the Ancient Wyvern Shield again this week.

[chrome lantern]

Should also add Brutus slippers, Purifying sigil, and Ancient blood ornament kit to the collection log!

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1434915241254191258

[chrome lantern]

Absolutely should be

[tacit wharf]

all of them no, some ya (like the capes for lms)

i typed that and then remembered lms is on clog

[chrome lantern]

If it’s in the game and has a unique source it should absolutely be in the clog. Wild that they add stupid things like Sailing Schematics to the clog but won’t add actual minigame and boss rewards

Lss’s post summarizes it really nicely

(Linked a few messages up)

[ivory star]

While I agree everything should just be in the clog, I could see how that would be a more controversial decision among players

adding grandmaster CAs for demonic brutus and full radiant won't be controversial i don't think tho

[sacred skiff]

Doesn't even have to be multiple CAs, but if awakened bosses each have one CA, it seems silly Brutus doesn't get a single one

[plucky elk]

Love the new update with the level up and see what you unlock💯

[sacred skiff]

Yama only has one for completing any of the radiant contracts, right?

[ivory star]

yeah just any unconventional contract

doesn't have to be radiant

can be pet contract afaik

[chrome lantern]

Just any contract at all

[meager flame]

i was actually super confused at hard mode cow boss not being in clog/ca

its actually a very fair boss so i couldn't really come up with any real logic behind not including it

i'd get it if it were actually insane and people had to get a little lucky or something so they wanted it to be available for fun but not taken seriously enough to put it in a clog or ca or whatever

but it turned out to actually not be too hard or anything

[thick beacon]

even if it feels insane i think they should just include it

[warm storm]

i 100% believe it is so new players can get their first green log

[thick beacon]

think radiant wasint included because it looked to hard first week or 2

and now ppl argue if its easier then blorva

[meager flame]

i understand not including things that they honestly just don't put the effort into to make it something they feel like people should be asked to do

like doing all awakened bosses in one inventory or how solo tob isn't a ca

because they're just not intended gameplay

but lol the cow boss just isn't like that

[thick beacon]

i think awawkend/demonic brutis is very much a part of game its extra content that u can do with a cosmetic reward. its not a self imposed challange but a natrual one in the game

[meager flame]

idk if i'd even compare cow to those

cow is a lot easier lol

if the prayer mechanic actually slapped you up and just killed you for messing it up it would be a lot harder

but it would be kind of a cheesy difficulty because it would just be seeing if people click fast enough or not

[thick beacon]

i feel like them including blorva is already a stance idk. one thing i always apperciated about gm is that it included all content in game if nothing else. being gm without radiant/cow imo is odd. im worried they will contiune doing this for other aspriational content or just challanges

[meager flame]

i honestly think they pander with gm now

radiant wasn't included either

i just dont know who they're pandering to

i guess maybe hc gm content creators

otherwise idk what they're doing

like

if some player is trying to get gm

of course they're going to go for radiant oathplate etc

they like content like that

idk why its excluded

although i guess at least for radiant

its safe to say they didn't put in the work to make it make sense before release

but it at least makes sense now after a bunch of changes

[thick beacon]

either way i doubt they will go back and change things at this point

its been nearly a year on radiant

i doubt it was hard to make a judgement on cow. but i think it was 100% intended to be a lot easier then awakend/radiant and still intentionally left out for some reason

[meager flame]

The only thing I’d say I don’t like about the cow and this also happened with the delve occasionally

Is that they seem to be coming back to like just making things really fast to make it seem difficult

Like you knew what you were supposed to do but you missed doing two things on the same tick so you get hit

It seems like a dead end game design wise like what next they do that more often or go for 3 actions in a tick etc

For the cow it’s fine you can just afford to miss that prayer etc

[thick beacon]

well with radiant they tried a diffrent approach and ppl dont respect its difficulty in same way. but radaint it went for more rhythmic difficulty over speed but i dont have a problem with either i generally expect that from hard content otherwise it wont be hard most likely

[meager flame]

i think the cow boss actually is a small example of it actually going well

since you can afford to mess up partially without instantly dying if a real boss used that concept

that would be a good way to show a skill gap without just like

deleting players

so people would end up with like shorter trips or slower kills etc

without it just being an insane brick wall

doom is a little different where it just gets very out of hand if you dont do the right thing and you're likely to kind of just explode and die lol

[thick beacon]

i think it just depends I like being punished for mistakes heavily it keeps me engaged. toa is prob only place ive seen criticism on it. but jad zuk doom awakend etc they will cook you with mistakes and its seen pretty postively or fitting or whatever

[meager flame]

i think it just depends on what the mistake is

like honestly the cow boss is somehow just a good example they did a good job lol

if you mess up the overall mechanic of dodging his special attack you get obliterated

if you handle his main mechanic but miss some prayers doing it you take damage but you dont die on the spot

so it kind of has the stakes of not messing up while also adding a little more on top that can punish you without sending you to lumbridge instantly

[hard axle]

still surprised they havent added awakened cow slippers to CAs

[tacit wharf]

why do we need the room times and the overall times for toa to be broadcasted

[meager flame]

lmao as the guy that has to setup the clan options for things

the best thing they could do would be to build like

a system thats very in depth with a lot of options based around what is/isn't shown more like a whitelist or blacklist filter than an individual option for various stuff

[chrome lantern]

More spam please

[meager flame]

because they always struggle with kind of spamming clan chats with random junk but also theres cool stuff too

and you kind of end up accepting some of the junk to see the cool things

because they don't give you enough control to filter it

[warm storm]

RTA vs IGT

[tacit wharf]

?

[true talon]

GM is stupid system, they keep adding new bosses and more tasks with no rewards.

Every new boss is just you re-earning your zuk helm for the 100th time

[chrome lantern]

That's also how clues are

[true talon]

They should purge all the group CA's, and kill count CA's and leaving only difficult solo challenges.

[thick beacon]

imo its tough because like with quest cape if u dont have all quests done like maybe u dont deserve to wear quest cape. if they stopped adding cas we wouldint have raids 3 raids 4 blorva etc on there which i think is rough showcase as well

[meager flame]

tbh in some ways i do agree that gm is stupid

[thick beacon]

maybe once u achieve it u can keep the perks but not the cosmetic effects or some extra cosmetic effect to show ur up to date

[meager flame]

like they could in theory just give you something cool from each end game challenge

instead of trying to reaward the same thing for doing everything over and over

[warm storm]

they are considered different categories in speedrunning

[true talon]

They should prune a lot of CA's

[warm storm]

but yeah for casual clannies who don't actually care about PBs the broadcasts aren't necessary

[true talon]

I would suggest removing the group CA's or at very least limiting them to personal mistakes only.

[meager flame]

i think a lot of people agree with the group CAs being problematic

like

[thick beacon]

as much as I hate grouping i feel like some of the content legit is group only

how do u include tob without grouping

[meager flame]

a lot of them are basically just to feed booster families

[true talon]

They can make it soloable with some adjustments, but they can also make the CA's personal mistakes and not failed if someone in the party fails.

[meager flame]

idk i think if jagex wants to do group CAs in the future they need to rethink it somehow

[thick beacon]

they arent hard enough to really be boosted the problem is when u cant find ppl to do it with

[meager flame]

yeah thats how they feed them

[thick beacon]

i think solo cas are prob harder or just as hard as group stuff

[meager flame]

you buy enough players to participate and its not even hard

and a lot of people get sucked into that type of thing because they just

dont play osrs with that many people

[thick beacon]

not everyone that has group stuff done boosted for them think ppl throw out that word when anyone does the cas

but i get where it comes from

[meager flame]

i dont think people are implying everyone buys it

they're just pointing out that a lot of people do because they don't play with that many competent people

and it creates this scenario where just buying help is the path of least resistance for them

[true talon]

I think its just harder to find people to do it without just buying it

[warm storm]

GM is 99% cosmetic anyways

[thick beacon]

toa 8man gl i agree its an issues but its still an mmo idk

[true talon]

Ya the perks are not that important

[warm storm]

i think it's fine for it to be hard and include groupfinding

[meager flame]

i think it is and isn't okay just because i think gaming is kind of different than it used to be

it would've been better 20 years ago than it is now

[warm storm]

you can get master, and all the relevant perks, without ever talking to another human

[true talon]

the biggest issue is that the ceiling keeps extending without any reward.

[meager flame]

just based on how people actually interact with the game

[true talon]

they need to reduce how many CA's there are

[meager flame]

i think its probably not good that theres this big weird market of like basically buying boosts

[true talon]

and best way is to purge a fuck ton of the redundant ones like kill x monster

[meager flame]

and gaming wasn't always like that but in 2026 it just happens with every game

[thick beacon]

at same time like chole said gm is for like very small ppl u get practical rewards pretty much at master

[minor whale]

This is an MMO they don't need to remove group CAs lol

[meager flame]

its just more popular than it was

[true talon]

I dont think each boss released needs 8 CA's which is 4 kill counts 3 timers and 1 mechanic

[meager flame]

and idk how jagex can handle it

because you want group stuff right

but you also probably dont want to encourage boosting services

its just weird how like

prevalent it ended up becoming in all mmos

[warm storm]

the people who want to pay for boosts will do so. it seems silly to balance around the fact boosting is possible

[meager flame]

i mean you kind of have to think about it as the game dev

[thick beacon]

even if they boost u still have to do all the solo stuff

[tacit wharf]

does not mean that both need to be spammed

[meager flame]

because at some point its like

[thick beacon]

which imo is harder even without boosting

[meager flame]

actually a negative aspect for the game the point of achieving things for cosmetics is that its cool and shows off your accomplishments or whatever

[warm storm]

clan owners can turn off broadcasts. it'd be nice to have the option to turn off one or the other, if it's not already an option