game-update

[restive storm]

prob because ur brewed down

[hard axle]

bias

[restive storm]

and it is

[hard axle]

legit, it be bias

[subtle compass]

RS2 is a pvp title

[restive storm]

or like i said being brewed down lol

[subtle compass]

Multi revs is coming back 💪

[unique vale]

Can pures use confliction gauntlets? Idr their reqs

[modest dust]

The pvmers sabotaging as we speak

[restive storm]

yes

wait... i think?

[hard axle]

it has a hp req

so some pures can

[restive storm]

p sure they can yeah it doesnt req quest

[unique vale]

How do I invoke the wiki bot?

[subtle compass]

Its ok let them play the expansion packs in peace and they can stay away from pvp

[scarlet dawn]

I think one more bracket

[unique vale]

[[confliction gauntlets]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Confliction_gauntlets

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/'Birds-Eye'_Jack

[restive storm]

me as heck rn playing wow classic cuz i cant fathom playing osrs currently lol

[unique vale]

Eyy

90 HP

[modest dust]

LOL

[unique vale]

To be fair, you'll accrew HP XP as you PK

[restive storm]

idk... "we're going to consider maybe polling a worse version of what you used to have, but no promises" doesnt exactly get me fired up lol

[unique vale]

So inevitably pures will be able to equip them

[restive storm]

why are we even worried ab confliction gauntlets again? lol

[unique vale]

They double your mage accuracy when you miss

[hard axle]

anyone who wants multi revs below 30 wildy line is just bad at understanding game balance

literally had the same problem as before

[unique vale]

Well, not double. It's the same effect as the fang

[restive storm]

i guess maybe if we get the ironman treatment for something of the sort, and make it accessible by PvP somehow, so they arent 90m xD then sure

[hard axle]

most people arent bring 90m for confliction unless they're bring 300m+ anyway

[unique vale]

Fair

[modest dust]

Gauntlets v tanky on pures

V nice

[restive storm]

+1ing gauntlets on a pure is grazy lol

[minor whale]

I think sub-30 zones are just how they prevent ancients from being so strong

A 20 second freeze with 2 seconds of immunity is just so hard to balance

[hard axle]

they are also impossible to balance because 1-click to tp out, so risk is minimal

hence also hard to balance

[restive storm]

~~minimal ~~ zero

[hard axle]

This isn't something numbers can fix either

delayed tp, even by 1-2s is too much

[unique vale]

IMO, the way you get in and out of the wilderness should probably be redone

[hard axle]

I've said before, remove tp/tb dynamic and just add like 20 safe zones

that u can run to and tp out of

that way its like "escaping with ur loot"

simple as that

[restive storm]

then u kinda just remove the normal spellbook entirely lol

[hard axle]

[restive storm]

just click surge man it aint that hard

[unique vale]

Yeh I think I had the idea myself

[modest dust]

What in the fortnite am I reading

[restive storm]

i know it cant be the size of your entire spellbook anymore but its ok

[hard axle]

i'd rather the default be ancients

[restive storm]

it is above 30 line

that already exists lol

[hard axle]

snare is just coping on what barrage does 2x better

[unique vale]

A bunch of mini-enclaves placed near the obelisks

For safe zones

[restive storm]

right but with snare u get tb

[unique vale]

Can't enter if TB'd ofc

[modest dust]

We deffo gon play easyscape

💀

[hard axle]

how is it easyscape if you entirely remove the concept of tp

[restive storm]

ur telling me i gotta sit as a pile of loot on more than ONE bridge now?

[hard axle]

they can't 1-click tp out

[restive storm]

how many diff places do i gotta be sitting w/ my ring of 3rd age

[unique vale]

Lmao

Yeah, tps are gone in the wildy

Now if you want to leave you have to run to an enclave

[hard axle]

i know this is above what your mental processing can handle, but reverting back multi revs while letting folks 1t tp out again ain't it 💀

You wanna talk about easyscape? 1-click tp is easyscape

You can't balance it

[modest dust]

20 safezones LOL

[restive storm]

i mean 99% of the revs were above 30 line

so you couldnt 1t tp

for 99% of them

[hard axle]

It's always hinging to pvmers or pkers and rn, it's hella hinging to pvmers

[restive storm]

unless every1 wants to fight over the pyrefiend but go ahead lol

[modest dust]

was not the hotspot previously but yeah

[restive storm]

i mean if they reverted to multi revs, like they were all up where they used to be

almost all those were above 30

[hard axle]

It's been a while, but I swear there was 3 or so below 30

[modest dust]

yes

[hard axle]

Look at it now, half of them are below 30-

It's dumb

can't pk half of them because the lowest one is like 17 wildy

[restive storm]

yeah currently it just doesnt work lol

[modest dust]

20 safezones lets do it

[hard axle]

This is you when it comes to context:

[modest dust]

2 bloods 2 laws @hard axle

[hard axle]

1 nat 5 fire

[restive storm]

idk if theres 20 places within the wilderness that would be more than like 3 freezes apart lol

[hard axle]

They would have to leave rev caves and then get to it

so that does lengthen it substantially

[restive storm]

i guess specifically for rev cave

but youd just kill everywhere else lol

[hard axle]

The Deep Wildy caves too

[modest dust]

If they bring back the old revs this wouldnt be an issue

hotspots were above 30 wildy

for pking etc

[unique vale]

Here's my entire vision actually;

• Every obelisk gets a near by enclave.
• Can't TP outside an enclave.
• Can't enter an enclave while TB'd.
• Logging out in the middle of the wilderness has a 15 second delay and drops all your risk on the floor.
• Logging back in puts you in the nearest enclave.

[hard axle]

no, it needed to be 5 levels higher

[hard axle]

Nah, people rather wildy just be dead and parrot rhetoric made by their clan leader 6 years ago than consider a fairer alternative

[unique vale]

True

[hard axle]

Like Ace said here

[restive storm]

what if we just remove the pj timer

[modest dust]

ayoo

ur on to something

[unique vale]

Would that even do anything outside of letting clans rag you?

[restive storm]

id love to see literally anyone argue its more active now with the timer than it used to be

[restive storm]

the clans are allowed to hit each other?

whereas they currently cannot

[modest dust]

ya, reviving singles clanning

[hard axle]

singles has its own balance problem - a good and well geared pker basically will basically never die with pj timer, but that's also bad for pvmers lmao

realistically, singles clanning was rarely an issue that affected pvmers because they went after the bigger fish

not billy with 200k risk

[modest dust]

yup, bring back no pj timer

[restive storm]

some pvmers, ur tellin me the rev cave demons arent gonna answer the call and have 40 people show up when one of their pvmers gets hit?

[hard axle]

[modest dust]

[hard axle]

have brain cells to discuss shit properly

[restive storm]

yeah that issue got so blown out of proportion, and it essentially just ruined the entire wilderness

[modest dust]

2 bloods 2 laws w330 bubba

[hard axle]

[hard axle]

1 nat 5 fire any world

[restive storm]

timmmmayy

[unique vale]

I feel like as a solo player, the only thing I get out of this is the experience of getting DDS'd a hundred times over by a swarm of bees shouting slurs at me

[modest dust]

yeah we need 20 safezones and a reboot car to revive teammates asap

[hard axle]

the problem is it never really affected players like u

[restive storm]

at least theres a spec timer so that cant happen, but atm the pkers are the ones that get slurs hurled at them

[unique vale]

Still, at best nothing changes for me, and at worst the wilderness effectively becomes off-limits without a clan backing me up

[hard axle]

okay, we remove mage bank and ferox instead, and allow tp anywhere

truly incapable of using more than 2 brain cells at the same time to understand context of no tp anywhere in wildy

30+ is far easier to balance than 30- and I stand by that

[modest dust]

So ur bothered by ppl tping out in wildy?

LOL

[hard axle]

Yeah, stick to pking and less talking about game balance

[unique vale]

From the sound of it it seems like it's a major complaint from a lot of PKers

[modest dust]

Ill tell u what, those player alarms when someone skulled runs in, or the free tele scripts every1 in the caves currently has is the real issue

Idm ppl teleing out

tough luck I might of splashed a tb or they were quick to spot me

it is what it is

[hard axle]

You know tb range is shorter than chunk render range, right

As long as ur hovering pod, it's not a script to tp out as soon as u see a red name

[unique vale]

Honestly player alarm is necessary with the current state of the wildy since PKers can just log in in your personal space

[modest dust]

personal space

[modest dust]

Ill take u out with me in the caves whenever u rdy

[unique vale]

Personal space

[tacit wharf]

think u mean, detached camera

[restive storm]

personal space

[modest dust]

There is absolutely no way ppl are "legit"

[hard axle]

caves are good and bad in that sense because if a pvmer has a cctv alt outside, u can't die

[modest dust]

u'd be surprised how many regular players have tp script

1 tick tp them out

[minor whale]

It's just a shit flinging competition of "no you guys are worse" constantly lmao

Wildy alarm bad they're all botters delete the plugin!

Dding bad they're all clients delete the feature!

Zzzz

[hard axle]

don't forget the "ahk"

one side cries about auto tp

the other side cries about ahk and auto tb

[unique vale]

Yeah true

I'm pretty sure most of you clowns have TB scripts

[hard axle]

nah, that's unfair to say

just like how its unfair to say everyone has auto tp

[modest dust]

LOL

[restive storm]

ya thats just unhinged lol

[zenith pike]

Let me fix it, I can save the world

[hard axle]

[modest dust]

u wanna come on a trip to caves wif me and check it out beast?

[hard axle]

[modest dust]

non bots

regular playas

Its k tho

[unique vale]

I know I'm fuckin' around lol

[minor whale]

Can't believe in the same conversation where we're talking about it being stupid to say most of the other side is cheating
You have people from both sides saying most of the other side is cheating

Astonishing actually

[unique vale]

But for real, it's hard to tell sometimes, especially when they can just hop in and TB you before you finish blinking

[modest dust]

maybe that skull popping under you might be an indication?

I got no clue tbf

[unique vale]

It happens so fast man

[modest dust]

I wanna have some personal space tho so I get it

[unique vale]

Even with wildy alarm some of them still get me

[hard axle]

It depends how far they are when they drop into the cave.

Calv/Spindel are close to where they drop down, so they can cast it as they drop down.

Artio has an AFK method near the door and that's 20 tiles away from drop down point.

That's why I mentioned earlier that cast range being shorter than chunk load range is bad design

But 10 tiles is the limit 12 if u wanna add in attack move

[unique vale]

I don't mean the boss caves, I mean the rev and slayer caves

[hard axle]

yeah that's just slow reaction time

[unique vale]

Where they can just log in literally anywhere and ruin your life

[hard axle]

hover pod better

[unique vale]

I do hover pod, but they tend to catch me when I'm stacking mobs or picking up loot

It's annoying

[hard axle]

keep ur pod in the same slot always

[unique vale]

I do. Top left.

[slender wharf]

Rev caves need to keep agility shortcuts

[modest dust]

cligg faster

[unique vale]

Wow, why didn't I think of that???

[modest dust]

Practise makes perfect

[thick beacon]

I did not even realize there was a game jam today

they have been cooking with real updates but im still sad most of the gmae jam is just cosmetic interferance stuff

though it is good stuff still love the boss/ca interferance rework idea

[wanton bane]

aight i got a dumb question. should i call off for tomorrows update?

[ember token]

what do you think is coming tomorrow that you should call off for

[wanton bane]

cow boss 🤣🤣 (I'm excited for it)

[ember token]

well unless you're trying to be the first person to defeat the hard mode version

[wanton bane]

nah i want beef lol

[thick beacon]

is that confirmed?

[ember token]

no

[thick beacon]

[ember token]

but they said in the summit that they could get the cow boss out very quickly if it passed

[thick beacon]

im actually pretty exicted for cow boss arcane was saying hardmode was like awaken levi difficulty

[ember token]

pretty good chance it is tomorrow though

the 18th should be the birthday event which is also gonna be the 25th anniversary event

[wanton bane]

yea they said its a febuary release if it passed. and everything from summit looks like it passed

[remote ruin]

fingers crossed for cow tomorrow, I wanna know how to unlock hardmode. they said it'd have some prereq so that early players don't stumble onto it

[thick beacon]

is there any cosmetic for it like radiant/blorva?

if u do it

[ember token]

they didnt mention any rewards but my guess is itll have a combat achievement and a higher chance at pet so endgame players dont have to farm out a f2p boss for a pet

[thick beacon]

as much as that makes sense I wonder if that will be case

radiant still not being on gm is crazy to me

it feels like wierd in between hope they do include it ye

[wanton bane]

sameee, it would be perfecy practice when i start my awakened dt2 grind!

[wanton bane]

unless hardmode has a unique to (think sanguine torva kit)

maybe they wanted to leave hardmode stuff a suprise

[true talon]

How does making the entry fee to revs 5x current unless you skill or do diaries......... gonna stop the unkillable terminator bots???

how about disabling overheads in the caves

then they will die

[wanton bane]

make rev caves 1 style only

[true talon]

they are only unkillable, because they got tick perfect switches and even some have prediction which will swap prays constantly to try an combat a 1 tick swap

[analog crow]

Manked's wording was very unfortunate, as if he's given up and and considers bots a legitimate part of the wildy ecosystem

[ember token]

well i mean theyre a "legitimate" part of the ecosystem of the whole game considering there is no solution to them

[vivid ruin]

Yeah i didnt read what he said, but technically speaking they're bait for everyone

Bastardized bait

[analog crow]

Imo there's a real difference between "We can never fully solve botting" and "Here's some money printer content that bots can do and hopefully you can pick some of them off" (paraphrased)

[vivid ruin]

Itd be nice if more pvmers got into bot hunting

[analog crow]

Content for bots used to be a meme

[vivid ruin]

Theyre free gp. 500k every 5 mins

I mean it is but whatayagonnado

[true talon]

ironman XD

[true talon]

they used to be bait, before the learned how to be gods.

[vivid ruin]

Yeah singles bot hunting is a bit rough. But people who hate pkers dont realize what kind of advantage that they have with 3 item safety lol

[true talon]

I quit my max 83 pure because the bots was unfucking killable and not fun to hunt

turned it into a main to do pvm to practice for my ironman like awakened bosses/contracts

but hopefully they never make any content like that again

[vivid ruin]

True that makes sense

[amber jungle]

Yup, I try to avoid wildy now adays and whenever I report someone who kills me, 9/10 they get banned for being a bot.

I missed any discussion around flying vehicles if it has happened. Does anyone have a Tldr of the general reaction?

[prime vault]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-day-are-you-ready-for-some-football-gif-16278812894835706568

[static trench]

when cow?

[weary stag]

How now brown cow?

[blissful topaz]

suggestion : add all cowfields to the new amulet teleport

[spiral isle]

whats the update

wheres the news?

[iron oak]

Tbow drop added to goblin loot table

[sage steppe]

nothing update

music tweaks

[spiral isle]

already got all megarare aint my prob anymore

useless update for me

please update new megarare so I can use my GP

[warm totem]

Thank God they're fixing the sliders, the choppy movement was killing me

[iron oak]

unplayable

[solid wasp]

Will this update fix the annoying bug where music doesn't change when you teleport sometimes

[opal urchin]

Dear Jagex, I appreciate the music update, but I feel like the portal nexus changes should really come soon? I’m not sure how much code is necessary to change to add the missing teleports but I would really enjoy having them added…

[thorny briar]

motherload mine not giving golden nuggets atm? is it broken?

[hasty phoenix]

aww still no portal nexus update, all the other travel blog updates have been added

but ye i love the music update ofc

[hollow ingot]

Its RNG, Im there now and just got 5

[fringe rivet]

I am quite happy about the addition of playlists.

[hasty phoenix]

same been a long time coming

[fringe rivet]

Now I can blast Pinball Wizard and all the other funky songs

[gray turret]

I hope the update does something with my drop rate at the giant mole 😭 coming up to 5.5k kills and no pet - want to move onto other bosses haha!

[fringe rivet]

blast Pinball Wizard while mole-ing

[chrome pier]

im getting nuggets just bad rng on your side

[fringe rivet]

you'll lose your sanity faster

[gray turret]

I’m at work so don’t need more distractions 😅

[dry pond]

@ancient ember I see you've mentioned that thralls will be updated next week, but what's the point with 2 days left of DMM? Seems silly to have thralls bugged for 19 of 21 days of the event

[lament ridge]

Do we have any info on when the changes to UIM cargo hold will be implemented since it passed the poll? Don’t really mind when it is but just so I know if I should hurry up getting my trawling boat ready :p

[lean ibex]

Yeah i was surprised not seeing them for this weeks changes

[dry pond]

Nah we need to fix the slider that runelite does by default

[chrome pier]

I think what we need are little news posts of passed polls and etas on when the team expect updates to come into the live game.

[bold palm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1r1u6kc/music_system_improvements_deadman_tweaks/o4s3wl4/

[fickle cove]

Just wanting to say thank you 👍

[lament ridge]

Thank you!

[hasty phoenix]

think i got a ghost ping in here

[ancient ember]

Cow Boss is planned to be released before the end of this moooooooooooooooooooooooooooonth 🐮

[ancient ember]

Appreciate that it's not ideal to implement it close to the end, and we sincerely apologies for the inconvenience. To provide more context, the team's been limited on how much they can fit into this release, especially with the behind the scenes work being rolled out next week in preparation of future releases like Leagues VI.

This fix will be done next week and it will no longer be an issue future Deadmans. Also, passing on a work around for this in the meantime: If you manually cast it, it doesn't double the duration currently - but, it will if you use the Trinket of Undead.

Apologies again and thank you for your understanding. 🙏

[dry pond]

I did see your respoonse so thanks for your reply - however the augmented thrall bug was reported two weeks ago specifically to book of the dead/manual cast thralls

The main reason was to avoid undead trinket and turning into a loot pinata at breaches, and keeping your skull level down

[ember token]

honestly you might as well just hotfix the text and call it a feature

[vestal raft]

can we please stop changing the UI without the ability to toggle it back to what we had before hand. these little updates keep adding up and i understand there for more uniform look and ease of use for mobile but this is a computer game first the bank ui overhaul should not of been a thing just give us a toggle. and the extra new button can sit on bottom right with the rest easy enough. the music now looks nothing like it has for the last 20+ years.

can we please have toggle to get the UI we remember back.

[quiet plank]

I don't see why a toggle would hurt

[compact flicker]

My guess is future changes mean double the work, as they'll have to fit both UI options

I'd also love a toggle for the old black slayer helm but when things change they change

[vivid ruin]

This is why when you mfs 1t vote yes to everything, maybe spend a few more seconds to think about it.

[dark jolt]

but what if i did want it

[vivid ruin]

Then i hope you're not 1 of the many complaining

[dark jolt]

never, we love a road of progress

[warm spire]

i spite vote no because of the annoying popup to go vote in my DMs

[dark jolt]

zats crazy

[vivid ruin]

My audio playlist will consist of sea shanty 2 and only sea shanty 2

[dark jolt]

but pinball wizard

[vivid ruin]

Ill check it out and keep my hopes low

[warm spire]

this is what i put on a lot while playing

https://youtu.be/kkOMJ7jAjxk?si=Tgc_icP09l4FgR8i

they got some bangers on the osrs youtube

[restive sapphire]

where cow boss

[dark jolt]

end of mooooonth

[ember token]

i think its safe to say they're probably not gonna release it next week while deadman is still active

[novel egret]

fair assumption

that leaves us with more time to merch as many buckets of milk as possible

[torn pasture]

It's been two weeks since release, shouldn't we have gotten rates for Facility Bottles?

Also rum from Trouble Brewing has been bugged since the changes and does not give collection log unlocks. Multiple people from my clan have submitted bug reports in game

[ember token]

wiki has rates

[torn pasture]

Crowd sourced rates are just estimates is the thing (I get they're close enough)

[ember token]

also speaking of rum there's almost no volume on the GE which is funny

you can get up to 390 pieces of eight per game and they're 20 pieces each, so that's almost 20 per game if you make the most amount of rum possible

with people actually playing the game to make that happen, and if you can sell them for 20k each, that's a mil an hour from playing trouble brewing

all jagex needs to do is add an agility to these islands

then for the clue step, the quickest way to get there is rum

[modest dust]

Yeah we need a new skill called swimming to get there

[ember token]

the demand for rum will spike and then that will cause more people to actually play trouble brewing to get rum

[compact flicker]

Can also get from salvaging methinks

[ember token]

you cannot

[compact flicker]

Oh I wonder what bottles I was getting then

[ember token]

unless you mean youre suggesting they be added to salvaging loot

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Rum

this is normal rum

you can buy it from a whole bunch of shops

and get it from salvage

[compact flicker]

Ah TB has a different one oki

[ember token]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Rum_(red) this is rum from trouble brewing, it teleports you to trouble brewing

[compact flicker]

Gotcha

[zenith python]

What’s up with all this small useless updates

[opal urchin]

#game-update message

Leagues, apparently

[ember token]

and deadman

[opal urchin]

Personally I'm a bit surprised at the level of work needed for leagues and deadman, and the fact that both are back to back is a little sad in terms of game content for the main game

[zenith python]

Kinda crazy to focus a ltm and just ignore the main game for months

[ember token]

generally i agree and this is why i disagree with people who want more leagues more often

but I think in this case the deadman and leagues is more covering for a lack of content, rather than taking the place of anything else

like I don't think we suddenly wouldve had something else in its place

[opal urchin]

I do think the portal nexus would've shipped faster

[remote ruin]

when cow

[opal urchin]

I know that there have been issues with leagues and deadman that needed fixing though, and that sort of cost is unknown until it happens (e.g., only giving the top 16 players in a breach the points)

[zenith python]

Dmm and leauges 100% takes dev time, but I would rather it be spent on all this end game content so it could be pushed toward and get realized quicker than wasting time on leaguers and dmm

[ember token]

i mean... maybe? idk I don't think its really stopping them from getting the poll updates out, it's probably more just that they're intentionally sprinkling it out over the coming weeks

[hard axle]

problem is that they also don't use dmm/leagues for what it could be used for, which is to test new mechanics, armors, weapons

They at most test a few, which is just dumb

where the custom bosses at

[opal urchin]

If they're intentionally starving QOL updates, I think that's a bit too malicious

I can see it being that the UI has fixed slots or something silly that requires more work to re-engineer though

it's not like it's a responsive website or something

[ember token]

i would say its more like theyre just not rushing it out

they could have all the changes out in one update if they really wanted

[ember grove]

I think they’re just super behind schedule and DMM/Leagues can cover for it, yeah

[opal urchin]

The music changes were clearly completed and just needed to ship

[ember grove]

See: Vampyre Finale delay

[opal urchin]

I just thought the same thing applied to portal nexus

[zenith python]

I agree and disagree new weps coming in to the game are more fun to me if we not used them, but now that I think of it leagues and dmm are most likely gonna be older vs of the game in a sense where sailing just got added and most like won’t be apart of those ltm which most like takes up even more dev time then just leaving it in and adding no content scrpicf stuff if that makes any since

[ember grove]

Portal Nexus feels like it should be easy but idk what the code looks like

[zenith python]

Waste of dev time imo

[opal urchin]

I do think that deadman is also a marketing thing for the game, and it justifies its existence more than leagues

[ember token]

it's better for them to not dump all the poll changes in one update and then have very sparse updates for the weeks after

[opal urchin]

I really disagree with you except in money extraction and ensuring people have a painful experience

[opal urchin]

I suppose the pitch of game jams though is that it gives the team flexibility and freedom to do whatever for two weeks

[zenith python]

The game jam was very very sub par imo this year

[opal urchin]

and this was born from that so

[ember grove]

Leagues skyrockets player count

DMM skyrockets eyes on content creator videos and streams

I think leagues is significantly more impactful even if DMM is important too

[opal urchin]

wouldn't it make more sense to run these events at different periods of the year then? :/

[ember token]

i mean theyre not getting subscribers from these changes, and none of these are desperate or gamebreaking if not added asap

[opal urchin]

well thankfully Mod North doesn't care about the money!

[zenith python]

And I love that idea 10000% but it’s WERID to me that the devs spent those 2 weeks on like music sliders lol

[obsidian venture]

It’s nice qol tbh

[zenith python]

So he says

[obsidian venture]

It was clunky

[ember grove]

Yeah

They’re doing this to cover for lack of content due to development delays on Vampyrium

Last year we had like 3 total things for 6 months until Varlamore part 3 so they don’t wanna repeat the content desert

[still sundial]

I think it probably takes a bit more because they need new colors of portals for the new locations in case someone puts them in a Portal Room instead of Nexus

[ember grove]

True

I suspect the art team being overworked and in constant demand is a very large reason for delays in general

[zenith python]

Of course they would know the numbers more than we would but I feel like 90% of the players play with music off anyway lol

[opal urchin]

it is quite funny, but I guess I'm glad we got something rather than nothing

[ember token]

they probably dont need to pull out the art team to have someone recolor the portals for whoevers implementing it, but yeah the portals are part of it

[zenith python]

And would even go as far as to say more people play with game sound off than on

[obsidian venture]

Which is tragic tbh

[opal urchin]

Now if they spent time separating the level up music and moving those into the sound effects mix instead of the music mix...

[obsidian venture]

Sound on >>

[ember token]

they need to make all the different portal objects, set up the menus so you can attune them to the new locations, do the same with the portal nexus, set the rune costs correctly, make sure everything works correctly

[ember grove]

I play with music on for new content because the music team rules, only sound on for old so I can hear boss audio cues but also watch tv or youtube

[still sundial]

I turn music on for new quests, especially if they're an epic release like DT2 or WGS

[zenith python]

Yeah, I guess but game jam imo and how it was explain to me was 2 weeks to let them create / add what ever they want

[ember token]

game jams are just 1 week

[opal urchin]

I will say that if it means more people get experience with the UI, or generally making the UI different that's probably good to do

[zenith python]

Okay but I feel like 40 hours is alot of time to be able to change codin for something a bit more useful than making a music slider smooth

[cursive pewter]

Ngl its crazy how fast they nerfed ranged combat on sea monsters & how slow they are to revert it

[zenith python]

That’s happens with every game u always want to have something a little less dps than completely broken

[cursive pewter]

Well they already said how theyre gonna fix it they just havent

[still sundial]

huh I must have missed this, did they remove the damage reduction and then re-implemented it?

[cursive pewter]

No they said they were gonna revert the nerfs and havent yet

[ember grove]

They’re probably going to put out all the changes at once

[zenith python]

Reverting the nerfs from any game devs is very very rare and I’d say jagex is prob one of the only company’s that will fully revert something back to its prev state with that being said when they say revert its prob still going to have a nerf just not as strong

[cursive pewter]

That would make sense (cannon updates too) just annoying in the meanwhile

[zenith python]

Or how JX said mostly like my saving it for the combat rework to release it all at the same time vs here and there releases

Regardless of all I’d rather no update vs little silly updates and real ease real content maybe a week or 2 early

[opal urchin]

It's a hard balance, because I guess I do like a continuous release model where "things that are done get shipped first"

I can see them not wanting to just sit on something that's done arbitrarily

[ember token]

and i dont think they are

[zenith python]

I’m personally prob very few that would enjoy it but I would love like little progress updates on new content like behind the sences of making new content so maybe we could truly understand how much more work it is than just code

[fossil epoch]

Man i would love for them to release that starting date of the league soon

[zenith python]

Didn’t they say like April 15th or something like that or am I just making that up lol

[fossil epoch]

i believe they just said april

Yeh wiki also has it as april and running for 8 weeks

[true talon]

Feels kinda lame to go into b2b temp game modes.....

but it is what it is

[dark jolt]

its leagues tho

[fossil epoch]

the other game mode was over in like 1-3 days though and nothing like a league

[minor whale]

I think he means dmm

[dark jolt]

thats barely a gamemode

[fossil epoch]

ooh, i think quite a few of the people playing leagues dont touch dmm though, so good on them

dmm just isnt working, they try to cater to the new players, which ends up making the veterans go "this is a bad dmm" and the new people go "I learned why i never will touch pvp"

[dark jolt]

they shouldve let the starter weapons duke it out, gearing just to try to pvp and lose to the sweats was super fun

[minor whale]

I don't think it's very fair to say "people who enjoy pvp get nothing and no rewards" like a lot of Redditors want to be the case though

The pvp community isn't the majority but they get basically table scraps, DMM is the only time they get updates basically all year for a temp gamemode and until last year there were 0 rewards

[half stream]

The rewards were much more gp-based if you partook in swapping dmm-07 gp

[lament ridge]

It also seems pretty obvious that DMM gets minimal dev time? Vast majority of it is just scraped together from previous events like Leagues, it doesn’t get new bosses, new weapons etc

[minor whale]

Correct
DMM gets like 3 new assets per year and minimal testing

DMM drives a ton of OSRS viewership

[lament ridge]

I’ve never played DMM before, just watched a ton, and I had a blast. Don’t think it’s the place to learn pvp with how much one shotting there is, but it’s made me want to learn pvp, straight to LMS for me

[fossil epoch]

Exactly why its a problem when they then cater to the people who dont really want to go in there, but they only cater enough that non are happy

I still believe there exist quite a big % of player who are scared out of their mind going into the wildy, even with 0 risked items

[lament ridge]

I think it’s fine though? It gets more people to try it out, I haven’t heard any of the pkers really be against anything

Most are saying getting rid of bank keys was a massive positive change because it just deterred people from trying anything

Just anecdotal from watching a bunch of streams though

[fossil epoch]

Oh i feel like i have heard multiple people complain that its a bad dmm, for different reasons

that generally like pvp

but thats ofcourse also just anecdotal

[lament ridge]

This is absolutely true though, and a lot of that is just turned into anger towards people who do like wildy and pvp for some reason

[normal rock]

I don't hate pvp in a sense that I know some people enjoy it, I personally just don't. I did play DMM but only until I got points for my cosmetics, haven't logged in since. And even then I focused on using complete rags. To me it kinda felt like playing a worse leagues with an inconvenience of dying.

[modest dust]

Ngl I feel like more people are getting into it bcuz of the tweak of not losing ur whole bank. New players are trying out pvp maybe for the first time and its refreshing to see

[lament ridge]

That’s fine too, I had the same for the most part, but that’s okay. I don’t need every inch of the game to be catered to me specifically. Tons of people love pvp and I’m a big fan of watching it either way (and actually want to learn now)

[true talon]

I think they cooked with this one, i am still playing it an having fun DDS rushing people with 99 str and ruinous powers. i think they need to stop treating items like actual rarity. its very difficult to obtain certain items for a temp game mode its silly. also the skilling is basically main game x10 exp rate. not even close to enough, some of the relics do absolutely nothing and some are busted lol.

IF they want DMM to actually be good they need to have max gear easily availble so you dont need to swap and can just procure sets to pk all you want an have fun

[hard axle]

You say it's a waste of dev time, but then don't want to play with new weapons, gear, and bosses in Leagues

[normal rock]

Same here, I enjoy watching it, it's entertaining, but I just don't have the drive to try learn, I supose it's like.. Someone might enjoy watching MMA but isn't going to learn and step into the ring 😆

[true talon]

This one with the lack of bank keys was so much better

[modest dust]

Would be equivalent of playing a rsps and do ::spawn

No thx

[true talon]

Absolute cinema lol

[opal urchin]

there was a really good take on pvp that most pkers don't want a fair fight, they want the experience of robbing someone on the highway with no defense

[true talon]

thats what temp game modes are..... they are not mean to be something you play to swap GP lol.

You are meant to farm up your relics and gear and just have fun

[opal urchin]

swapping should be against rules imho

[normal rock]

Yeahhh, I did see that in dmm tbh, all of my deaths where generally running point a to point b with nothing on me

[opal urchin]

risk skulls make it apparent since it's clear you're naked

[lament ridge]

Yeah also fully fair! Just feels like I’ve seen SO much “criticism” that is more like “I decided to try out MMA and I ended up getting punched lightly in the shoulder, it’s horrible! How could this happen!” 😅

[modest dust]

But thats one of the key points, alot of players play the temp game mode to make quick cash by swapping

[true talon]

Thats why i dds rush them when they in max gear for 41-41

[analog crow]

Should be yeah but probably impossible to enforce

[normal rock]

Very true... Also, if you have a bronze skull and visually carry NOTHING, it's like.. Ok.. Cool.. Thanks I guess I'll run to that fairy ring again

[true talon]

yea the incentive to play DMM is swap rates and now the cosmetics

[modest dust]

Very much so

[minor whale]

This is just untrue though

[true talon]

I mean im having fun with all the powers and relics

[opal urchin]

how? it literally shows you're not risking anything

[minor whale]

Risk Skulls go off main game GE price where things are vastly lower or higher than DMM price

[true talon]

so im playing for the pvp even if im not super try hard brid fighting and dding on someone sipping a brew everytime i hit

[analog crow]

Then you could disable trading in dmm which is fueling the swapping

[true talon]

cant, because then you can just die to the person.

[minor whale]

Bottomless Compost Bucket is 20k DMM and gives a red skull.

Thrall trinket is 2.5m and gives silver

[analog crow]

You can get max gear easily there is no point of getting loot from kills

[normal rock]

I've put dmm behind me now that I have my cosmetics haha, just looking forward to leagues now for more overpowered fun 🤣

[true talon]

an ironman DMM sounds hilarious but then youd just be playing to kill people and not loot lol

[minor whale]

Adv weapon trinket as well is 2m and gives silver skull, same as an rcb and 30 dragonstone bolts

[hard axle]

Swapping will happen even if ur banked items are safe.

People want powerspikes as soon as possible and will pay to get it

[minor whale]

The skull system doesn't do shit for showing people aren't risking

[true talon]

not if max gear is obtainable without the need to pay 100s of mil

[hard axle]

It's like paying splits on an iron

[hard axle]

It still happens, my guy

Even with the addition of Corrupted Megas a few DMMs ago, people still kept swapping

[true talon]

me running around with 2 rune pouch notes giving me a red skull an teasing the noobs

[normal rock]

Maybe an ironman dmm but you get random drops with higher potential for better drops based on items each person was carrying, sorta like old pvp worlds used to be

So you can get some loot, but not exactly what the person had

[opal urchin]

meh, so another bug in dmm for jagex to fix

[minor whale]

I teled in to ToB 20 times with 1 single rune pouch note to bait people into killing me

[true talon]

need 800k risk to enter raids area, uses GE value of main game

literally rune pouch note for 10k an your good

[minor whale]

It's not a bug nor something they can fix
There's no DMM ge database
All items are based on the copy of main game items they are

Items can only move 5% up or down per day and the value of trinkets sways wildly

[ember token]

theoretically they probably could fix it, it just wouldnt be easy

[opal urchin]

you can adjust these things when you're the game developer you know

[minor whale]

The skulls are just BH risk Skulls and that whole system is finicky as shit

If you make the GE database move instantly towards the price people are paying you'll get what used to happen in the GE in 2018

[opal urchin]

honestly it's a temp gamemode so as far as i'm concerned they can do whatever

[minor whale]

People would buy and sell a flatpacked shaving stand for 200m and drop them around the GE (they were valued at 9k)

Now the same problem exists and it's easier to manipulate

You're trying to fix the problem of "people are pking me in the temporary game mode where they can pk me" thinking how much you risk is what drives people to pk

People pk because it's fun and there's always a chance someone naked was carrying sometimes expensive without realizing it

[opal urchin]

oh i'm saying that happens in general, in the main game and the temporary gamemode, though the risk skulls i thought helped fix that in the temp gamemode

[obsidian venture]

Surely leagues isn’t the same old boring slop again

What shall Yama do to spice it up

[ember token]

relics are pacts now, totally different

definitely not just renamed

surely

[torpid delta]

gotta sign a demonic pact to unlock 3 regions but no more

[minor whale]

I heard you like area locked content where you're endgame and bored in 3 days again

[sharp cave]

wonder why they bothered polling the audio/music player update if they were going to ship it before poll was even finished

[hard axle]

If they weren't afraid of Reddit, Yama should periodically drop restraints on you out of the blue

would be hilarious

[opal urchin]

this was also really funny to me

[lament ridge]

And it’s for the third temporary gamemode in half a year time!!

[obsidian venture]

Restraints and or buffs yeah

[minor whale]

What'll it be this time sir, 2 of the viable combat skills or the somehow every time it's done 1 skill that's considerably weaker

[obsidian venture]

Leagues is fun for like 3 days as well

[torpid delta]

presumably they still want to know how much people like it

[obsidian venture]

Then zzz

[sharp cave]

if u dont like leagues then dont play it?

[opal urchin]

it is an "opinion poll" so sure, but lol

[dark jolt]

leagues >>>

[obsidian venture]

I follow this yes

[opal urchin]

same same

[minor whale]

I like leagues and play it for the duration it's fun

So 3 days

[dark jolt]

nothing better than leagues

[lament ridge]

I’m gonna go with “for mage enjoyers.. idk man get a shadow we can’t think of anything else, good luck”

[obsidian venture]

I play till I hit min points and log out

[opal urchin]

i'm a HUGE fan of oldschool runescape tbh

[sharp cave]

dragon tier or bust

[dark jolt]

nah too slow

[obsidian venture]

It’s only fun for me doing early mid stuff

Then zzz for grinding pvm

Or fun with friends for a few

[minor whale]

But the 4th league in a row it's just hehe area locked go brrr then you get a tbow on day 3 from an entry mode ToA and you're bored

Yeah it's solely fun with friends

[obsidian venture]

Yeah last 2-3 have been 🥱

Echo bosses spiced it up sure

[minor whale]

As soon as the first person in the friend group gets bored we all call it quits

[lament ridge]

I like having a yearly temp gamemode with relics and boosted xp, I think it’s a waste of time to have 3 of them in the span of 6 months

[dark jolt]

im in enemy territory

[obsidian venture]

I’m in danger

[sharp cave]

idk if we can count dmm

[dark jolt]

y'all ops

[sharp cave]

its universally boring

[minor whale]

DMM has been miles more fun than leagues

[obsidian venture]

I didnt bother playing dmm

But the view counts were insane

[minor whale]

The last league was boring as shit after day 3

[warm spire]

not a temp game mode fan

first leagues was OK

[sharp cave]

and dmm theres no point in logging in past day 3 except for breaches

[obsidian venture]

It’s funny because I skipped the first league entirely

I haven’t done a seasonal event in game either for the last 2 years

[minor whale]

No risks, infinite gear day 2, can't die relics out the ass

DMM is enjoyable to grind points in and you're always at least somewhat at risk of actually facing difficulty somewhere

[obsidian venture]

So many soundtracks missing 🥀

[minor whale]

Oh boy I can't wait to do leagues where I can grind out 99 in all skills at 400x XP rates to get a trophy and worthless cosmetics

[obsidian venture]

They also made it easier to get to dragon last one

[minor whale]

It's just so boring at this point

[sharp cave]

thats what dmm is too?

[obsidian venture]

Not that I care for the cup

[warm spire]

i’ll just stick with the main game

[lament ridge]

Just feels like they’re turning Leagues into a main attraction instead of a fun bonus. To me it makes it no longer special and it dramatically increases the amount of dev time allocated to it with new bosses, new weapons, new relics, everything

[hard axle]

Yup, it just gets easier and easier lmao

[dark jolt]

it's yearly!?

[sharp cave]

except dmm is specifically pointless to grind skills ect out

[hard axle]

Now you don't even need to be in the region to get the mega rare

[sharp cave]

theres litterally almost no point beisdes getting the early relics

[ember token]

which is way too often, yeah

[obsidian venture]

I think leagues should be the testing grounds

Which they lack

[ember token]

1 league every 2 years would be good, alternate it with RS3 leagues

[dark jolt]

rs3 isnt real

[obsidian venture]

Unfortunately money talks

And majority of the geriatric playerbase needs leagues

[opal urchin]

thankfully the osrs team doesn't work on the rs3 team

rs3 can do whatever

[obsidian venture]

So they can grind to 99 agility in one sitting

[lament ridge]

One event a year, not one Leagues. Alternate DMM and leagues, Grid Master should have been enough to push this Leagues to the end of this year at the earliest

[minor whale]

If your temporary gamemode has to have a "let's just do a copy paste of last year's"...twice... maybe slow your roll on them

[obsidian venture]

And then complain about main game rates

It’s tech

[minor whale]

Yup that's the worst part lmao

Every year after leagues

[opal urchin]

i think it's fine for 2/yr, but it shouldn't be back to back

[obsidian venture]

Should have seen some of the suggestions from the last one

[minor whale]

You get people begging for stuff in leagues to be added main game to make it easier

Every single year

[dark jolt]

what did you all want to take leagues 6 place? nothing?

[minor whale]

"Guys infinite run energy needs to be added pls"

[sharp cave]

i mean the only solution would have been to cancel dmm

[obsidian venture]

It’s the most cancer thing to see after a league

[sharp cave]

which im not arguing against

[opal urchin]

should be the 99 agility reward

[lament ridge]

We just had Grid Master end of last year, Leagues could have been end of this year or start of next

[sharp cave]

u dont have to play them all u know

[minor whale]

Also extremely funny that Jin is saying cancel the most unique out of the 3 temp modes so there's space for the Leagues-lite and then Leagues

[obsidian venture]

Didn’t engage with gridmaster

[dark jolt]

how is dmm more unique

[minor whale]

Guys we need to make room for leagues let's cancel the thing that's the only thing different from leagues in any meaningful way

[obsidian venture]

Unfortunately due to their planning, it wouldn’t pan out to at least next year

If they wanted a leagues

[opal urchin]

first of all, it has more drama, seasonally

[lament ridge]

I know, I won’t. I’m arguing that if you do so many that people don’t play all of them anymore, people end up playing none of them because they’re oversaturated

[obsidian venture]

So it was either early in the year or next year

[lament ridge]

The Marvel movies of gamemodes

[sharp cave]

yeah most unique! log into to hit training dummies for points!

[dark jolt]

you have base game bosses being spawned out of a hole, with reused leagues weapons

[obsidian venture]

Leagues is main game with a twist and faster rates. Same grinds

[dark jolt]

gridmaster was a tech demo, everyone just coined it a mini league

[sharp cave]

omg! a guy might attack me for my 30k risk! damn im so engaged!

[obsidian venture]

Dmm is actual pking, which varies every fight and don’t need to grind the same shit as main game

[sharp cave]

which pking gives points

[minor whale]

Well they went 2 years without one, twice

[obsidian venture]

2/3 modes are a faster main game

[minor whale]

In a game mode that's often the only content pvpers see all year

[obsidian venture]

1/3 is solely pking and or gp printing

[lament ridge]

Losing 30k is what kept rage posts on the reddit up every single day so I guess it must have been pretty engaging lmao

[minor whale]

Just to be told "lol no enjoy nothing this year" twice to focus on a league that's a rerun

[obsidian venture]

I mean I got on reddit for a pk recently

[dark jolt]

where's the rerun?

[sharp cave]

i mean, it isnt just the 30k

[ember token]

they outright said we're getting most of the same echo bosses and rewards again in the blog

[sharp cave]

its the waste of everyones involveds time

[minor whale]

Lol

[lament ridge]

Except for the people that are playing the pvp mode because they want to pvp

[obsidian venture]

Regardless of what we feel, dmm still gets the most views

[lament ridge]

You don’t have to play all of them you know

🙂

[sharp cave]

tiny fraction of the playerbase

[obsidian venture]

Only thing I really pay attention to for the game modes

[sharp cave]

no i mean its fine, its not a pvp game mode?

[lament ridge]

Half the viewership though

[sharp cave]

i mean if it was id get points from pvping

[obsidian venture]

Pvp just generates views even if a majority hate it

[dark jolt]

isnt that just your pvp streamers?

[minor whale]

You can say "it's not a pvp gamemode since I don't get points from pvp" all you want that doesn't make it true lmao

[sharp cave]

but ofc it isnt a pvp game mode, its leagues with pvp sloppyly stapled on

[dark jolt]

who have a gamemode to now focus?

[hard axle]

Even Jagex knows not to overdo it since their playercount dips like 10-20% halfway through/immediately after leagues

[lament ridge]

Because any more dev time allotted to it would make people riot lmao

[obsidian venture]

No?

Many content creators play it

[minor whale]

DMM has been around 3 years longer than Leagues and used to have its own separate servers for it

This statement is silly

Leagues is DMM with pvp haphazardly chopped off if we're gonna say random shit lmao

[dark jolt]

nah leagues has structure

[hard axle]

It really doesn't

It's just tasks with dopamine pop-ups

[minor whale]

There were 12 DMM seasonals before Leagues became a thing

[sharp cave]

more structure than dmm

[dark jolt]

dmm is just hey we didnt write enough instructions, but here's how the points work

[minor whale]

And DMM still retains yearly the highest viewership of all their events

[hard axle]

Leagues

breh

Might as well just say you hate PVP and be done with it

[obsidian venture]

Structure

[sharp cave]

i do

[obsidian venture]

Hating pvp is ok

[dark jolt]

where is this viewership data coming from

[obsidian venture]

You’re still making random points

[sharp cave]

right

i mean idk, im not a pvper, i cant speak for them, but the removal of bank keys and the general watering down of the game mode, id be pissed if i was a pvper

[lament ridge]

I don’t do any pvp either, I don’t see why that has to mean that nothing pvp-related should ever be added. Everything in the game doesn’t have to be catered towards me specifically, especially when it gives the game so much attention through viewership

[sharp cave]

what is the point?

run around skilling with the risk of a guy killing u for some shrimps and setting u back randomly?

[dark jolt]

when are we going opt-in pvp in the wilderness

[sharp cave]

and unfortunatly thats the reaality for most of the players

why take risk when skilling? theres litterally no point

its just a genuine waste of everybodys time

[lament ridge]

I can’t say either, I can only say that the pvpers I watch mostly seem to enjoy it. And it has allowed more people to dip their toes in. Maybe they end up not liking it, that’s fine too

[opal urchin]

this is like the redditors that ask for free trade removal or various trade imbalance removals, it just won't happen

[sharp cave]

the removal of the bank keys sure allowed me to dip my toes in

[hard axle]

the same reason why leagues is expedited xp, to increase the engagement numbers

[sharp cave]

and by dip my toes in, i mean, run around skilling while being bait for people to pick on

just like every other additon to pvp in this game

[lament ridge]

Okay, so you tried it and didn’t like it, so what?

That’s okay

[hard axle]

most folks wouldn't get the lv99 tasks on leagues, let alone 25m xp tasks if it wasn't 16x, and you know this

[dark jolt]

that sounds like both of the arguments here lol

[minor whale]

Holy victim complex

It takes 2 minutes to regear and if you bring like any defensive measures at all and fight back you usually won't even see people attack you at all

[sharp cave]

sure, i am allowed to voice my distain for it

[opal urchin]

I think the main issue is that leagues and dmm take a lot of dev time, and they're back-to-back, so it starves the main game of stuff during that time (arguably)

[minor whale]

Dying for shrimps makes you hate pvp and pvpers and think it's how all pvp engagements go is wild

[sharp cave]

there is no point

[dark jolt]

explain superiority complex, how do i regear in two minutes

[sharp cave]

it takes longer to fight back than just respawn and go again

its a complete waste of my time

[obsidian venture]

My cc is mainly casual and they’ve been loving dmm. Same folks who complain about getting pked btw

[sharp cave]

its fundamentally broken

[opal urchin]

step 1: swap from main game

[lament ridge]

Okay but would you go into TOB and then voice your disdain that Verzik is hitting you when you just want to do some fletching? It’s the activity you’re choosing to do

[dark jolt]

wtf is swap

[minor whale]

People that complain this much? Yes, they do

[sharp cave]

what

that wouldnt be fun

and im against adding things that are not fun

[lament ridge]

I’m saying you are choosing to play the pvp gamemode but you seemingly want to skill instead of pvp. But you chose the pvp gamemode so why are you complaining that there is pvp in the pvp gamemode

[minor whale]

Jagex catering towards the ones who complain that getting a team for ToB is too hard and that wdr is mean, or that CoX needs an entry mode, or that Leagues needs to be even faster for me who only has 13 seconds per day to play so I would like my entry mode ToA to drop me all 3 megarares

[sharp cave]

if it was a pvp game mode id get points from pvping

[minor whale]

You get currency with which you can purchase things to get more points with

[sharp cave]

that would be like if leagues only rewarded points from pvping in the wilderness?

[ember token]

you get money from pvping, and you can pvp anywhere

[lament ridge]

Lmao

[sharp cave]

which currency?

[minor whale]

GP

[sharp cave]

useless

[tacit pendant]

Dmm servers are a pvp world hope this helps!

[minor whale]

It's a thing you can get by selling items dropped by players who have things you kill them for

[lament ridge]

Just heard otherwise sorry!!!

[ionic tartan]

It happens in all MMOs with optional PvP, for decades. The term back then was a "carebear" (ie: urbandictionary), but nowadays in OSRS players like jin just call themselves "prey".

[sharp cave]

why go through the effort of getting shit on by people with 2k hours pvping when i can just get money from skilling

and even then ive barely needed any gp to actually gain points

id only really need gp if i was losing it via pvp

[lament ridge]

But you just said you’re not having any fun skilling either because the gamemode has pvp?

[minor whale]

And early on I was killing people for their 10k on seers village rooftops and used the gp to get good gear to farm breaches early on letting me snowball

[sharp cave]

im only really here for the cosmetics

[opal urchin]

would people play leagues or dmm without any cosmetic reward in the main game?

[tacit pendant]

Buy them after with gp then

[sharp cave]

i see

well sorry but picking on helpless targets isnt fun for me

[minor whale]

Except

Anyone can fight back

[sharp cave]

regardless of the setting, be it osrs, league, whatever

[lament ridge]

They’ve done so for years so yeah

[modest dust]

"helpless"

[minor whale]

Nobody is helpless unless you choose to be

[opal urchin]

dmm yeah, but leagues too?

[minor whale]

Nobody is removing your gear and saying no you can't fight back

You're saying "I don't want to and that means I should be left alone"

[tacit pendant]

All the cosmetics are tradeable 🙂

[sharp cave]

i dont get it

[lament ridge]

And that’s fine too? (leagues has always had rewards though) but you wouldn’t say leagues needs to be deleted from the game if it’s just not your thing

[minor whale]

He's an iron so he feels obligated to play a game mode he hates so in 2 months he'll look like every single other iron in the game with their black and red crystal set 😭

[opal urchin]

i was asking a genuine question, i don't advocate for removal of these gamemodes

[modest dust]

LOLZA

[obsidian venture]

Idk too much victim chatting here

[lament ridge]

Ahh okay, thought it was rhetorical. But I imagine they would? Maybe less but people enjoy the gamemode, not just rewards, same with DMM

[true talon]

point system was bad, untill they fixed breaches. there was not enough reward to playing dangerously.

[modest dust]

Darwinism my son

[dark jolt]

still bad

[true talon]

now i think breaches are to op and probably shoulda been reduced to 2.5k per day

[sharp cave]

yup

[obsidian venture]

You pk folks for points which leads to better upgrades. For the casual folks, dmm gp is just

[tacit pendant]

If you are an iron, who wants to flex that they like pvp and are good at dmm, you should get good at pvp and dmm

[sharp cave]

whats the point in doing anything else

[true talon]

lvling should have given way way more points

[sharp cave]

i disagree

[true talon]

99s were slow as fuck

[sharp cave]

pvp should have given points

[true talon]

pvp also should have given points but not for killing same target over an over

[minor whale]

Jin
If pvp gave points you'd be throwing up from being 'forced' to pvp to earn your cosmetics

[obsidian venture]

People would just boost

[sharp cave]

no id have just not participated in the event at all

[lament ridge]

Then you would have the same people saying they’re “locked out of rewards” because they’re “helpless”

[obsidian venture]

Which is not what they want

[minor whale]

People say this as a gotcha but if they even floated the idea they'd be pissing their pants in anger at Jagex

[obsidian venture]

They want you to be a human being and fight randoms

[minor whale]

And there'd be so many boosting clans

[true talon]

no1 said that all the points should come from pvp, but it should have given some......

[obsidian venture]

If you don’t like getting pked, unfortunate

[sharp cave]

didnt play the last 20 or whatever dmms

so

[hard axle]

schrodinger's victim mentality

[true talon]

skilling was way to weak same with bossing, the only boss worth killing was hespori

[hard axle]

damn if u pvp, damn if u dont pvp

[minor whale]

Did those dmms have rewards you wanted

[hard axle]

lmao

[lament ridge]

Would you say you wouldn’t participate because it’s not something you enjoy?

Because the entire argument seems to have been that you’re particpating but not enjoying it

[sharp cave]

the only reason im playing this one is because i dont get shat on as soon as i leave a safe zone

[obsidian venture]

Yeah like I can only stand so much helpless mentality

[sharp cave]

and i can gain basically infinite points with no risk

[obsidian venture]

It’s depressing to be like that but gl

[opal urchin]

it does sound to me like jagex succeeded then?

[obsidian venture]

They got more of the playerbase to engage

[true talon]

this DMM was the best one, just needs a bit of adjustment to points.

[minor whale]

Your argument boils down to I don't like pvp so I don't want people who do to have a game mode that is both rewarding and fun for them because I personally dislike it

When that's almost every year the only update pvpers get lmao

[obsidian venture]

Especially due to the bank key change

[sharp cave]

yah so engaged

[true talon]

also the fact skilling xp didnt increase per brackets was dumb

[sharp cave]

logging in to do breaches daily

[obsidian venture]

That’s a you problem

Not the mode

[true talon]

i just stayed in b1 for majority of my time

[obsidian venture]

You log in to do breaches otherwise you complain about being a victim in a pvp gamemode

[sharp cave]

same and this was a mistake

[dark jolt]

12k points and left, gamemode sucked 🙂

[lament ridge]

I can say it fully worked on me, dipped my toes in, I don’t think dmm is place to learn pvp with all the one shotting but it’s made me want to learn how to pvp for next time

[obsidian venture]

That’s fine

[minor whale]

I saw you b2 yesterday
I hate Seer's/Southern Frem breaches lmao

[sharp cave]

funny cos its done the opposite for me lol

[obsidian venture]

Dmm is not the place to learn pvp but it can ease it for folks

[true talon]

its a place to have fun with all the op stuff lol.

[obsidian venture]

As you’re not risking your main game gear

[modest dust]

better luck next dmm bubba

[lament ridge]

That’s okay too! Then i’d just not play anymore though lmao

[sharp cave]

every time someone fights me they are dancing around trees or my character

[minor whale]

DMM made me go main game when I'm wanting even more fun and hitting the Wildy because everyone still for some reason thinks they're safe during dmm

That's part of the skill expression of pvp

I'm not gonna complain someone in CoD is aiming at my head and that means it's unfair

[sharp cave]

what shitting on someone whos snared for 20s

lol

[obsidian venture]

Eat pray hit back

Don’t be a victim

[lament ridge]

Yeah fully see that as well, but I’m enjoying watching it while I can learn in LMS where I won’t take a 55/55 dds spec lmao

[minor whale]

Pray correctly
Seed
Eat
Hit back
Snare back

[true talon]

ya unforunately death dotting is a strategy now. its very shit design. esp since there is no easy way to step under, unless you got probably cheat clients that somehow menu swap walk here off attack.

[dark jolt]

"cant hit a player with this weapon"

[sharp cave]

i cant see them bro

[obsidian venture]

It’s borderline insufferable

You can

You just have skill issue

[minor whale]

Are you using a starter weapon

[obsidian venture]

Clicking another player

With a crossbow

[sharp cave]

ah right so we circle back to being shit on relentlessly

[obsidian venture]

Spam click if you can’t time it

[sharp cave]

skill issue just learn

[obsidian venture]

Yeah actually

[sharp cave]

learn against the guys who have 2k hours!

[hard axle]

people act like 20s is long in a game when actions are measured 2.4-3 seconds at a time lmao

[obsidian venture]

Instead of complaining you need to use the mouse you own and click back

Big ask I know

[modest dust]

"Achtuallyy!"

[obsidian venture]

Index finger goes on the left mouse button

[modest dust]

sry ❤️

[obsidian venture]

Hope this helps

[lament ridge]

2 days in LMS tells me it’s not nearly as hard as it looks like it is lmao, and dancing around a tree is incredibly fun (i cant step under yet though)

[hard axle]

im getting massive doordash victim girl vibes from jin

[minor whale]

It's so unfair this guy in Battlefield learned the drop coefficient of the sniper rifles and now he's shooting me in the head and I can't even see him
I think we should remove snipers and force everyone to use pistols, so it's fair for the people with less time in the game

[obsidian venture]

Over 90% of the time even in main game, if you fight back the pvper, they off

[minor whale]

Yup

[obsidian venture]

It’s called not being a victim

[sharp cave]

how lol

[obsidian venture]

Yeah legit

[sharp cave]

wait what

[modest dust]

off Jin man

[sharp cave]

meant to reply to this one

[modest dust]

stop flame pls

[lament ridge]

I mean it’s kinda piling on now yeah

[modest dust]

Jin u have undiscovered potential to unlock

[obsidian venture]

Surely

[modest dust]

go face it now

[sharp cave]

ive done some lms and step under was the easiest thing to do

[opal urchin]

I think the main criticism I see leveled at you is that you seem to have it out for DMM, feel forced to play the content for cosmetics, feel like you can successfully play the content for cosmetics, and still dislike it because you don't want to practice

[obsidian venture]

[minor whale]

Everyone who thinks they can't do pvp is incorrect
It's about choosing to learn how to counter it vs just giving up and saying pvp bad can't improve

[lament ridge]

I mean I can step under, just not do it very effectively

[dark jolt]

pvp bad, not interesting, barraga

[lament ridge]

But if it’s so easy for you then the rest of pvp should be a cakewalk

[obsidian venture]

If you can do step unders, you can pk a majority of folks in dmm

[minor whale]

Even doing it very poorly is an improvement over doing nothing

[obsidian venture]

And get better skulls

Which leds to better whatever else you choose to do

Leads*

[sharp cave]

right

i mean i think you are missing the point

i dont think its fun

[obsidian venture]

Ok that’s fine

[sharp cave]

jesus christ

[obsidian venture]

Clearly you don’t like pvp

[lament ridge]

Genuinely improved so much in one night of actually trying rather than the week I spent getting a rune pouch just praying I was against a bot at the start

[sharp cave]

clearly

[opal urchin]

Out of curiosity, do you enjoy watching PvP or just don't like it all the way, in every dimension?

Would it be better without certain mechanics?

[sharp cave]

mmr

but that fundementally doesnt work with the wilderness

[lament ridge]

And then just small things like running in baiting the melee pray just to send another bolt and dds spec after

WHAT A RUSH

[minor whale]

Flashing the claws just so they pray melee then swapping to VW 🧑‍🍳 💋

[modest dust]

Jin what u need is some miniwar practise

[sharp cave]

and then it doesnt help that the place that does have mmr (emirs arena) is dead and everyone just forefits

[modest dust]

purple portal fun

[hard axle]

Yup, the "giving up without trying" is what's annoying. It's the same as people crying about CAs til they made it easier and easier.

[obsidian venture]

Giving up without trying is why folks will continue to murk pvmers

Easy gp ty

I say easy but man it’s just dihns in solos

[lament ridge]

This stupid dmm got me sending LMS after LMS while I’m splashing a fresh pure on the side, I’m hooked

[dark jolt]

difference in giving up without trying and this doesnt interest me so im going elsewhere

[modest dust]

U need some miniwar practise too

[sharp cave]

the problem for me is "giving up" or "not trying" is easier and less of a waste of my time

[lament ridge]

The point is that people are not doing that though,they’re staying in the same content and complaining that it’s not catered to them enough

[modest dust]

miniwar bubba

[lament ridge]

It’s fine to not like it and not do it, just don’t take it out on the people that do, let them have their fun

[dark jolt]

sorry i missed the start of all this

i came in to why are there back to back gamemodes

[opal urchin]

on the bright side, cow boss soon

[sharp cave]

ye and my argument was drop dmm cos its the worst of the set

[lament ridge]

Yeah and rather than “they have to be spread out more”, a response was “yeah dmm should be deleted”

[obsidian venture]

Well that won’t happen but gl on making it pass

It’s good money for Jagex

[dark jolt]

well here's another argument, what were we putting in dmm's place?

or l6 place

silence? dead month? no content?

[sharp cave]

so is running back to back dmm and leagues

so whats your point lol

[lament ridge]

Anything, or nothing, if it moves up the vamp quest and raids by a week that’s already good. Get more of the polled qol improvements in

[obsidian venture]

Dmm got a whole event happening in the states

[sharp cave]

good money for jagex, that is

[dark jolt]

why would you want them to move up the biggggg content of the year?

let them take their time

let leagues come out so they can polish the bigggg main game

[sharp cave]

is there prize money this time?

[obsidian venture]

They barely cooked last year

[lament ridge]

They can take their time by investing it into that instead of pushing out temp gamemode after temp gamemode

[obsidian venture]

Not sure on prize money

[dark jolt]

again my argument is instead of back to back OPTIONAL gamemodes, we get nothing to do but main game until main game updates

kinda delusional take no?

[sharp cave]

i think the argument i sthe main game updates come sooner

[minor whale]

I don't think he said shelf all temp modes

Just that instead of having 3 in 6 months maybe push one back a bit

[opal urchin]

No, it clearly takes time for them to cook, which is why temp gamemodes exist

[minor whale]

And Jin suggested DMM get deleted (there hasn't been a DMM for 2 years)

[sharp cave]

they had an extra 6 months on this one

(leagues 6)

[dark jolt]

again, what do we do for april if we're pushing back the mode?

gridmaster will be what 6 months in april?

[sharp cave]

nothing and spend the dev time releasing main game updates sooner

[lament ridge]

I could see that having been an argument at first, but Leagues has now turned into having new weapons, new bosses, new mechanics, etc

[sharp cave]

i dont think the people working on the quest are working on leagues/dmm tho so idk

[lament ridge]

Main game, qol updates, cow boss, sailing quests and improvements, everything pushed up a bit because less time is invested into leagues. Get a breather between temp gamemodes to keep them exciting

[tacit wharf]

u assume that that would be the case if they pushed the temp modes back

[dark jolt]

sailing's happening, cow boss is this month; not april.

[sharp cave]

we are probably overestimating how much dev time something like gridmaster took though

[tacit wharf]

in reality, it wouldnt change much of anything

[sharp cave]

it was super simple

[dark jolt]

asynchronous development

[lament ridge]

Afaik Husky for example is a big part of Leagues, he's also been a big part of other very cool content, not having to do Leagues would give him more time

[opal urchin]

Cow boss was also like a random dev side project that got a lot of traction and took no time

[tacit wharf]

husky has been on sailing for the last year

mate

[sharp cave]

and i mean? was there really any dev work needed for the latest dmm? they recycled almost everything didnt they?

i guess they had to like remove bank keys and stuff

[tacit wharf]

and the last 3 months, he's been on vacation for 2/3 of those months

[opal urchin]

they’ve been having to do a fair bit of patches

[sharp cave]

yeah cos for some reason they thought top 16 dmg at breaches for points was a good idea lol

[opal urchin]

isn’t that a self-defeating argument

by the way?

you argue deleting dmm even though you think it didn’t take much effort?

[ember token]

it's because it wasnt a problem until this deadman lol, and then they fixed it

[minor whale]

First 16, not top 16
And it's not their fault or idea, that's just how every monster in the game worked

They fixed it because of Wrathmaw code that became Gem Crab

Thanks Wrathmawcrab

[sharp cave]

idk doesnt sound right, why even track damage at all?

just give players points when they deal damage

why do they need to track a running total for each player per mob?

[dark jolt]

not how their game works

[minor whale]

It is right, and it's because they can't
The damage a player does is stored as a variable that has to constantly update for every tick of damage a monster takes

[opal urchin]

yeah, make the game work like that

[minor whale]

They can't just not store that damage value

[sharp cave]

makes no sense to me but sure

only thing i can think of that would hinder just directly granting points based each individual instance of damage would be all the calculations on the server bogging it down

[minor whale]

I mean Goblin said as much after Bea5 said it was first 16 and people independently figured it out as well

The way the game deals with damage and player ownership of kills is super weird

Yes that's exactly it

It's running a tally constantly for everyone hitting it or not hitting it which would absolutely nuke servers like what used to happen with stars

Mining shooting stars checked every player mining it, their inventory, and their banks, for every tier of clue scroll

Every tick

[ember token]

its just how almost every single monster in the game works

[minor whale]

It was what caused the great server instabilities when shooting stars got updated

All monsters in game follow a similar kind of code for how to assign ownership of the kill

Except for recently with gem crab

[opal urchin]

lol

[sharp cave]

id rather they have spawned 5 breaches per world rather than just increasing the credit count

[tacit wharf]

basically just giving the cosmetics out for free then

[sharp cave]

its already free

if anything more breaches would make them less safe?

less herd immunity?

[true talon]

This is the issue with DMM

[tacit wharf]

or safer cuz not every spot will have a pker

[true talon]

19k of my points came from all this skilling/bossing i did

[sharp cave]

yeah all 3 guys who pk at breaches

i mean i go to breaches in like 40k risk and get 5k points per so?

[minor whale]

Yeah now those 3 guys are spread across 5 places
What are we saying

[sharp cave]

that breaches are horribly designed

[true talon]

They are, half the time they spawn in areas and no monsters come out, they shoot the monsters across the screen to an unknown location not even anywhere its advertised.

[sharp cave]

yeah lol thats funny

[true talon]

for first week breech monsters died instantly an gave you no points

[sharp cave]

i think the worst aspect is how they dont really play into the game mode at all

they are supposed to be high risk areas with good loot

but they are just low risk areas with good loot?

most of them are right near a bank

so if like a trinket of undead drops i can just pick it up, repsawn teleport and teletab back

and only miss out on like 30s of a breach

[true talon]

15 mins of people hitting monsters that may or may not spawn, teleport soon as you get a decent drop and come back, after 15 minutes those who want to attack those who might have loot they didnt bank.

then you come back in 7 hours an do it again

[sharp cave]

and occeasionally get attacked by a pker and be unable to fight back since its impossible to pick them out of the soup of 600 players

good shit

[true talon]

have half the monsters spawn be MM2 bosses that can only be damaged by magic

This was the best thing about breaches and they nerfed it.

[sharp cave]

yeah cos they realised that people dont actually want to do anything other than hit the bosses for points

[obsidian venture]

I hated this update on release for so long

[true talon]

the meatballs of doom was great

4 yamas spawned in a single area was a blood bath

[sharp cave]

it was funny for sure, but i can understand why they changed it

[sharp cave]

there was a really good one south of fally

there was like 3 yamas in the cow pen next to the farming patches

[true talon]

Next DMM i want to see these changes.

1. Breach points cap reduced to 2.5k and their spawns in open areas with less tree's and stuff to prevent monsters from spawning.
2. skill points increased drastically
3. bossing in dangerous areas increased drastically
4. pvp damage granting points up to a cap similar to breaches
5. monster variety increased during breaches to not include things that have immunity to a single style (mm2 bosses)
6. skilling/questing/pvp unlocks having their own point system for unlocks, its not a lot of fun being unable to progress, because you need points for pvm relics, pvp relics and also questing. it currently turns your gameplay into skill/boss untill you can afford every unlock an then you can go pk. also drastically increase what the quests unlock, do you really think someone is going to do sote/dt2/sins of the father on a temp game mode....
7. skilling XP improves when you move up brackets, drop rates also made way more common across the board not scaling 3-3-4-5

Bonus, improvements to the skilling relics esp on things like mining/runecrafting/slayer

The slayer relic was an absolute clown show, you have to do 5 tasks to get points, gets no bonus points and costs 45 points to pick your own task.

[sharp cave]

they cant do 4 lol cos people will just log alts or boost

[true talon]

thats fine, it still adds an incentive to pvp