game-update

[tender harness]

I mean, how much do you define an inconvenience to chase something like voidwaker
Should the multi bosses require elite to enter their lair?
Should voidwaker rates be reduced pre diary?
Medium diary most people already have those reqs outside of maybe thr quest

[brazen violet]

smh, no raids 4 for pures but irons can get free loot from mains lmao

[hasty shard]

at least two things in this update I think i've said explicitly in this channel in the past 😭

[graceful jungle]

Who’s most people

[woven shore]

zombie pirates die passively from the chaos druids anyways

[lament ridge]

But I think that is the point? It is not supposed hinder people, it’s supposed to make bot farms more apparent. When there’s thousands of accounts with partial completion of Between a Rock it probably makes it easier to determine

[tender harness]

First basically 8 or 9 slayer levels are already free from museum
Questing post museum alone gets you through some of the early grind

[brazen violet]

medium diary for rogues chest is dope tho

what are the requirements for wildy medium?

[tender harness]

And how many normal accounts started between a rock and never finished?
That discrepancy isnt enough

[vagrant solstice]

45 slayer would definitely be a barrier for bots

[lament ridge]

Sure, but it’s an extra factor that helps, it has weird requirements that will look suspicious when accounts just instantly get only those stats and requirements and then park at wildy bosses

[brazen violet]

you have longer to ban bots if they spend days grinding slayer before they hit callisto and do econmy damage

[lament ridge]

I can’t pretend to know the ins and outs of it, I’m just going off the actual dev saying this helps identifying bots, and I could realistically imagine that being the case

[graceful jungle]

Botting 9-45 Slayer seems like a skill bots have a higher likelyhood of being exposed by from non-instanced movement and public exposure

[tender harness]

The requirements are skills tied to the wildy diary
They training something completely random before jumping into wildy bossing

[tender harness]

You do know people dont do slayer tasks from level 1 anymore?

[graceful jungle]

Thank you for that correction

I’ll edit my post now

[tender harness]

You can get like 12k exp? from just quests + museum which easily put you around 28 - 30

[fresh forge]

Locking content behind other content for bot reasons is dumb - it’s not a fix.

[tender harness]

Diary content is already low hanging fruit

Just do it

Wildy mediums doesnt even ask much of a player

[woven shore]

it annoys pkers slightly more so it is a good thing tbf

[tender harness]

Pkers already have diaries done for wildy generally

[fresh forge]

It’s just the continuous avoidance of actually fixing the problem that annoys me

[lament ridge]

I don’t get why Jagex doesn’t just immediately ban all the bots and only the bots and never get it wrong

[brazen violet]

bots is a world wide problem, been like that for ages, its hard to fix lmao

[tender harness]

Because doing this let's bot makers fix scripts and come back
You unfortunately have to let them sit and ban them in waves

[fresh forge]

He’s being sarcastic

[minor whale]

No barriers! Only bans! But no ban real players, only bots! And no adding things that increase botters detection, because that's not the core of the issue!

[tender harness]

Ah

Brain is tired 5am

[fresh forge]

Fair, Ik the feeling

[languid ravine]

timmy is going to do wilderness diary and then get hit by a ban for being detected as a bot

[minor whale]

Any barrier is better than no barrier and more things bots have to do that could more clearly separate them from a human is better

[timber drift]

razmire shop has been FIXED thank you lord

[minor whale]

At the same time, putting "do any Wildy bossing" behind something like hard diary just kills off anyone wanting to do any sort of Wildy content until quite a ways into the account

[graceful jungle]

Poor Timmy

[hasty shard]

this will affect the uim meta

[graceful jungle]

Thank you

[languid ravine]

not a fan of diaries at all tbh, just seem likes a quest with no actual quest content.. just random objectives

[tender harness]

Old diaries are a product of age

Which is why id rather they rework the old ones before even doing a varlamore diary but they wont

[minor whale]

Yes they're random objectives in an area to get a reward for 'completing' content in that area

[lament ridge]

Yeah I agree, it’s far from a perfect solution. But I imagine low level accounts wanting to do wildy bossing is less of a concern than everybody else having to experience every world occupied with bots

[winter hearth]

Mod Kirby did do a gamejam on a diary rework, though I think it was largely UI/UX-based rather than revisiting tasks

[ivory cargo]

is there downtime with this update

[minor whale]

Now the meds are fairly easy so bots will naturally gravitate towards the multi bosses which is going to severely hamper them

[restive siren]

was there ever talks about a CA rework or is that not something that has come up

[hasty shard]

the thought of a diary ui rework scares me because its genuinely hell trying to find them on rs3

[winter hearth]

We talk about it a lot but haven't ever really arrived anywhere where we decide 'yeah this is the one', muddied a little by how many people have already gone through them

[restive siren]

yeah thats what i feared, its a tricky spot

[deft barn]

nice changes for wildy for integrity, I think also updating wildy slayer cave so that all the mobs are slayer task only (as it is for nechs/jellies in there already) would also help curb the huge farms that have been there at lesser demons and green dragons

[lament ridge]

Lmao I’ve done about 150 hours in RS3 the past couple of months to eventually do all the quests I never experienced, but I’m not sure I ever knew they existed there

[hasty shard]

its insanely buried and even then ughhh

but it does exist

[minor whale]

Onto a different subject

Locking the slot a container is in preventing it from being emptied with the button kind of negates a lot of benefit the whole empty container button has lol

[tender harness]

Oh? Thats good to know. Wish the tasks or even some of the perks saw some reworking (half of them I dont even use) and some of them i forget just auto bank like the sand. But hopefully some day

[minor whale]

If I'm doing wc I lock the basket top left so I can just deposit inventory then deposit logs

Now I'm gonna have to do the exact same thing anyway

Almost always unless otherwise posted, so yes

It should be

[quaint osprey]

This is exactly my concern.
I was thinking, perfect just 2 buttons to empty fishing inventory and barrel. But nope

[hasty shard]

does the button empty worn inventories

[tender harness]

Facility Bottles can be found in various types of salvage such as Large, Pirate, Mercenary and Fremennik shipwreck salvages.

Love that we can finally move facilities but I dont want to salvage again post 99 for this, this would have been a cool 99 perk to unlock as well buy said bottle from a vendor or something 🥲

[winged mantle]

W update

[minor whale]

I think it might be because if these bottles are storable in bank they're so much stronger than what was asked for

[hasty shard]

i literally suggested this basically 1:1

just boat bottles doing this instead of a new one

[minor whale]

You'd need 2 ships total to do anything in game and at max 2 of any facility if you don't mind swapping

If you can bank them

[winter hearth]

I don't think it's looking at 'worn' containers at the moment, but have made a note and the team have said they'll take a look and see if it's doable

[cunning parrot]

pls make elf ears at makeover make one day pls?

[winter hearth]

Mod Ayiza alt detected

[graceful jungle]

While you’re at it is a giving a toggle so that we can return our first ever 99 skill cape back to untrimmed possible?

[tender harness]

At 200m sure otherwise no

[winter hearth]

Not technically possible, we'd love to be able to do it, but we don't keep track of every player's first ever 99

[ancient ember]

Sharing this feedback with the team

[teal warren]

Do we have a timescale on when shellbane gryphon CAs might be released?

[winter hearth]

Hopefully next week, assuming the Gryphon-related poll Qs that are currently live wind up passing

[mint crow]

Empty from Fish Barrel using new UI button doesn't work

[ancient ember]

And yes, Facility Bottles are storeable in the bank 🙂

[teal warren]

Amazing thank you. Got that task stored up waiting 😌

[winter hearth]

The slot isn't locked right? Just to double-check?

[mint crow]

It was locked, but then I unlocked it and tried, it still didn't work. I then moved the fish barrel to another slot and still didn't work

[grave tinsel]

this anti-bot update is awful regarding calvarion, they will just have the bots do the diaries like the 1 million bots at zombie pirates already do, and it makes no sense to lock the easy version of a boss to more progressed players

no way this poll wouldve passed

[stray tinsel]

did anyone really think about this new bank ui layout? im on a gim and now the gim storage button is on the bottom left but jagex didnt change the exit storage button so its still at the top.....this is just worse

[torn dew]

Can we get the Facility Bottle droprates for the different salvages please? So I can decide whether to salvage at all 😅

[winter hearth]

Will make a note to see if we can hit parity for the Group Storage UI too

[carmine junco]

It would be nice to have some way to deposit locked storages into the bank as well. Maybe a toggle in the bank settings

[harsh herald]

do you think we will ever be able to change the standard quantity buttons in the bank? I'd prefer if we had a 7, 14 option over 5 and 10 lol

[tender harness]

Use the X option? 5 and 10 is kinda just easy to follow

[harsh herald]

meh, we work with a 28 inventory slot, youre either pressing 10 and then putting things back in or 5 and adding stuff

[restive siren]

i often take 5 or 10

[harsh herald]

or spamming 1

[tender harness]

I use X for most things honestly or just adjust as needed its easy enough but I get the point

[winged mantle]

Just make it so you can just move the items if you've built them please. Esp if new boats come out

[ripe cradle]

wasnt pretty much everyone against how the new ui looks back when it was proposed? How did it get added in live game

[harsh herald]

yeah its just most thing ratio around the 28 i find, not a big issue just a thought

[tender harness]

Surely speed task for under 20 seconds?

[ancient ember]

Basically right now, you can bank the Facility Bottles and install them into another boat of yours, if you wish to 🙂

[winged mantle]

More options is better is all

Love that we can

[final frigate]

please consider making the button sizes uniform

[deft barn]

saw the reply on reddit @winter hearth , like you said it would be really good to monitor the off task activity in the wildy slayer cave as it seems like complete bot fodder otherwise, and consider changing the cave to task only

[winged mantle]

Maybe not for hellhounds

[deft barn]

I think at least for the ones that are obviously being super botted like green dragons and lesser demons

[chilly thunder]

looks like rs3

[tender harness]

Next week's update;
Magnify glass is now half the size and in a different spot on this UI

[final frigate]

@winter hearth while you're here, though irrelevant to this patch could we get an update on the toa purp drop stats and whether the nerfs achieved its purpose please
or redirect to who/where we can ask questions on this, tried ash but was told he doesn't have the numbers on it

[onyx quest]

Entering the lairs of Callisto, Venenatis and Vet'ion now requires completion of the Medium Wilderness Diary. If you're no longer eligible to complete an existing Slayer task targeting those bosses, speak to a Slayer Master to get a new assignment. This does not reset your streak.

Entering the lairs of Artio, Spindel and Calvar'ion now requires completion of the Hard Wilderness Diary, instead of the Medium Wilderness Diary.

[smoky fjord]

The order of empty containers, deposit inventory, and deposit worn items on the bank deposit box screen was moved around to match the bank, could we have the bank deposit as it was before where it was deposit worn items, then empty containers, then deposit inventory? or have an option to pick which order it was?

[spice jacinth]

Potion Storage not opening at all after most recent update...

[pallid pecan]

Damn, and here I was about to plan for a long period in the wilderness on the gim. Looks like I'll need to get skilling first

[worthy hazel]

Mine works fine

[spice jacinth]

Mine worked fine just before and now it's not.

Bank Tags plugin was the issue. Disabled that and now back to working order thanks folks!

[harsh herald]

my potion storage wont open

ohh wait, it wont open when youre in a bank tag

[stray tinsel]

if anything just put a smaller custom gim storage icon up at the top of the ui, really the ui didnt need to change at all for the bank

[tiny otter]

I'd pay for a reverted bank option

[azure scaffold]

The empty container's button not working on a fish barrel or log basket in a locked slot really removes a lot of the button's utility. Plus it doesn't empty log/forestry baskets that you've equipped, which still makes equipping those simply more tedious.

[harsh herald]

snap - yeah if youre in a bank tag it wont open. you dont have to disable it

[tiny otter]

a toggle like how you can hide roofs

[mint crow]

does fish barrel empty for you in an unlocked slot?

[azure scaffold]

Yes

[brave hearth]

Are the facility bottles tradable if they're filled, like Flatpacks?

[minor whale]

Extremely funny this update basically did absolutely nothing to help with banking stored items and also still did nothing to make the wearable stored items not a nerf
On top of making the bank UI more cluttered

[quaint osprey]

The bank change wasn't ready for release sorry. Was this QA tested?

[brave hearth]

yes by an UIM

[muted thorn]

Read the post its stated

[sonic oxide]

Can boat facility bottles bring facilities between boats? or only move on the same boat it was originally built on? News post doesn't seem to specify to me

[brave hearth]

ah i only read the sumary, my bad

[bronze kernel]

It sounds like you can move it between boats

Hopefully the bottles aren't too rare

And TBH, I would have rather seen them be something you bought at the Shipyard than a salvaging drop

Of this was the direction they wanted to do

[hollow saffron]

bank ui looks clunky, is there an option to revert back

[golden zephyr]

I too would like the old bank back

[ancient ember]

Hey all! To understand the sentiment better, what would you think about making a toggle to allow deposit containers to work for locked slots? And would you want the default to be on or off?

[real plank]

No need for toggle. Just have it work regardless of locked slot or not

[worthy hazel]

a toggle default should always be off, so default behaviour: empty containers always even when the slot is locked

[shadow wave]

Whilst I think that the use case we are proposing is way way way more common than the use case this update was designed for, a toggle is fine and it should default to On IMO

[carmine junco]

Please yes, and I would say default on.

[shadow wave]

Or in any case the default state should be deposit containers will deposit from locked slots then you can toggle on the behaviour currently in game

[bronze kernel]

Default On

[urban shadow]

Opt-in per item with right click options to empty when using the new feature, also allowing worn items to be emptied seems like a key feature here. Forestry Basked is literally a net negative over the uncombined items

[bronze kernel]

Or just have it On permanently

We lock the container so we can quickly deposit everything but the bag

[tiny otter]

unlikely

[bronze kernel]

But not being to quick deposit stuff in the bag is awful in that case

[muted thorn]

Would suggest also allowing equipped slots such as fish sack barrel to work while being equipped.

Also, toggle for notes on/off should remain on after closing bank or off whichever was used last.

Locking slots should be a wise pick for quick banking

[bronze kernel]

And also, we definitely need another Bank UI overhaul

It's getting way too crammed with all the buttons

[night wren]

Have a toggleable option in the bank settings for empty containers and revert please!

[golden zephyr]

I don't think group storage needed to be moved, it being in another menu you have to open if you have potion storage is just extra clicking for 0 reason, and if you have bank tabs its just become more cluttered

[tiny otter]

"you voted for the bank reorganisation" probably

[left willow]

Personally I think they did a great job with the new bank ui, I don't see the problem

[tiny otter]

then you arent looking

[bronze kernel]

I think the biggest conflict right now is how they really can't use the real estate on the left hand side

Since that conflicts hard with the Bank Tags plugin of Runelite

[tiny otter]

implement a prior bank toggle, and you can mess around with the new bank ui all you want

so long as I dont have to look at it

[bronze kernel]

Just give us official Bank Tags and everything would be golden

[chrome lantern]

Probably 1/20k from Fremennik Salvage

[bronze kernel]

But anyway

The Bank UI is way too cluttered on the sides

[chrome lantern]

My very minor disappointment is that I will now never be able to get diamond bolts (e) or the webweaver bow on my snowflake ranged-only iron but honestly I’m not too upset about that. Or use Rogues chests but I am a little sad about that. Oh well I move on ig but I doubt diary reqs do much

[bronze kernel]

Also, the buttons are waaaaay to big on the Bank UI

I get you wanted to help out mobile

But I do play on mobile and never had any issue

Aside from the occasional mistap on the Deposit All buttons

[carmine junco]

Impractical and pointless.

[tiny otter]

you have roofs on I take it?

you see the glorious wood

[bronze kernel]

You could consolidate the change to the default left click/tap of the quantities to a drop down menu

[left willow]

The new ui is objectively better, if you dont like it download the inevitable plugin to make it like it used to be and jog on.

[carmine junco]

So you're telling me your self restricted account was something they should have taken into consideration

[bronze kernel]

Yes that's more clicks per se, but it reduces the clutter

[tiny otter]

not entirely sure you know what objectively means

you objectively dont know what it means infact

[sonic oxide]

Having a choice is always good - so a toggle would be perfect, but the default should be on. Not working on locked slots drastically inhibits its utility when doing stuff like woodcutting with log basket or fishing with fishing barrel, where you want to both deposit your inventory and empty the storage all at the same time,

[left willow]

Of course I do buddy, you tell me the worn items tab is in a worse spot? Try argue potion storage being tucked away is worse.

[tiny otter]

literally never used the worn items tab

so does not impact me

[left willow]

You will now ^

[sonic oxide]

I didn't know it existed until today 😂

[tiny otter]

the parts of the bank I do use

however have gotten worse

[bronze kernel]

To be honest, all that happened was the buttons got bigger

[tiny otter]

and

[bronze kernel]

Maybe too obnoxiously big

[tiny otter]

as a community we might need to play a game of spot the difference

[chrome lantern]

No, I already said I would move on but I did express how it affected me

I’m generally against catering to restricted accounts but I did lose access to significant things I already had

[bronze kernel]

Adding the reqs to the chest does reduce suicide bots that send it to 85 Theiving

[tiny otter]

inb4 the you shouldve never had it people

[chrome lantern]

Being my bis dps weapon, diamond bolts (e) only real source, and CA points that I previously had access to

[delicate bough]

Is there a setting to go back to the old bank UI?

Not a fan of the new UI

[tiny otter]

haha no

[chrome lantern]

I’m sure there will be a plugin in like 12 minutes (hyperbole) if you keep waiting

[tiny otter]

plugins to fix a devs unforced errors..where have I seen that before

[delicate bough]

Yeah, really shouldn't need a plugin... Didnt think it'd be too hard to add a checkbox in the settings menu

[bronze kernel]

I don't see anything inherently worse with the new UI other than the buttons being too obnoxiously bigger than they need to be

[tiny otter]

weird its going to happen twice in the same week tho

[chrome lantern]

I think people are overreacting to the bank thing but there’s already of visual things in the game you can change via plugins, even core interfaces like the giant logout button plugin

[quick loom]

theres already a precedent for Jagex allowing us to swap between legacy and updated interfaces like with the skilling guides. dunno what they were thinking with this

[limber creek]

Too bad we refuse to acknowledge a teleport delay below 30 wilderness or something of the sort to help combat wilderness slayer cave.
I wish i knew why we're targetting the Dragon mace and monk robes bots more than we are the nonstop gigaslayer chads.

[bronze kernel]

I think the biggest difference is these changes are functional and not exactly cosmetic

[tiny otter]

...what

[carmine junco]

Supporting two different version of a complicated ui is more work than one.

[tiny otter]

sounds like a jagex problem

[left willow]

Mate, if you can't navigate the subtle changes to the new bank ui maybe this isn't the game for you anymore

[bronze kernel]

What part of the new UI is the one you have a problem with? Instead of just spewing "New changes bad"

[carmine junco]

This is clearly a you problem, as you're having difficulty facing change. I would suggest just paying the game and you'll get over it

[bronze kernel]

Without elaborating

[quick loom]

it added minimal functionality and changed the aesthetic of a 20 year old interface. all that was polled was a button to empty containers.

[tiny otter]

how presumptious of you holy

[quick loom]

it also just looks bad and could be better from a ui/ux perspective

[tiny otter]

it's functionally worse

[chrome lantern]

They talked about bank UI overhaul a while back and asked for feedback on it very openly

[tiny otter]

feedback..where

[chrome lantern]

This is pretty much exactly what they presented

[chrome lantern]

You know the answers

[tiny otter]

yeah my bad, forgot to make a twitter acc

[golden zephyr]

Just seems like something that should have been polled as photos and explanations of what does what, so we could vote say between 1-4 options as to what the community prefers

[tiny otter]

..it was polled

which is on that technicality why its worse

[golden zephyr]

As the complete overhaul? With photos showing where all the new buttons would be etc?

[tiny otter]

the new button was polled, the reformatting however not so much

if you repoll the same question for the button on the basis of a reformatting

[golden zephyr]

New button is fine, its the overhaul of the bank is the problem

[chrome lantern]

Yes we were shown directly in a blog exactly this layout

[rose pulsar]

I don't usually talk here but I was curious about some of the bad changes made with this update and the UI update, I wasn't expecting to see people moaning about

It seems the same to me

[tiny otter]

..then please open your eyes

we can do a spot the difference if you want

[rose pulsar]

I mean, I see the new button? What's the big deal

[golden zephyr]

Which blog

[rose pulsar]

[tiny otter]

..are you?

[chrome lantern]

I don’t know but I 100% remember seeing it and will not go scour every blog

[jagged marsh]

It's fine for me

[quick loom]

thanks based guthix sorry the riot woke you up you go back to sleep buddy

[jagged marsh]

Tybg

[chrome lantern]

I don’t really see the reason for having these bottles be a necessary step in moving facilities

[urban marsh]

why no facility bottles at the merchant wreckage like why get punished for having a higher sailing lvl

[bronze kernel]

They should have just made them purchasable at the Shipyard if this was the route they wanted to do

[chrome lantern]

It just seems like another item that will be trivially cheap to mains and just only exist to inconvenience ironmen and doesn’t really add any value to the process

[rose pulsar]

They shouldn't exist at all
It should be a simple UI option

[tiny otter]

woah there

simple and ui

[rose pulsar]

[urban marsh]

9840 opulent salvage from the merchant wrecks at lvl 87 and only 5 dragon nails and then they dont even get facility bottles

may as well just tell everyone salvaging the merchant wrecks to go shag a goat

[bronze kernel]

Oh no

It's been added to the Collection Log

[quick loom]

so we can magically move and rotate rooms with furniture in them in our houses without using any items but we cant possibly move a cannon on a boat without shrinking it into a random bottle we find in the ocean 😂 ok

[left willow]

A buddy of mine got 3 in the space of 10 minutes, I think they're quite common.

[chrome lantern]

The more common they are the less they need to exist

[bronze kernel]

I think it might be something about wanting players to have multiple boats with different purposes.

[urban marsh]

well if his buddy says its alright then lets all just all call it a day

the buddy has spoken

[chrome lantern]

Actually that’s not really true either

[bronze kernel]

If you could just stash away the fishing nets and easily swap them out for the hooks

[chrome lantern]

Because if they were rare they really would be worse

[bronze kernel]

Kind of defeats the purpose of having multiple boats for different purposes

[chrome lantern]

But common doesn’t make it better it just highlights why the concept of a consumable to do a basic function sucks

[bronze kernel]

And the thing is I feel like Boat facilities the way they are is being derived from Construction code

[minor whale]

It explicitly is so you don't have to make multiple high end boats for different content

You need a sloop and a skiff and you can now do anything without needing several

[bronze kernel]

And you can't move furniture

[minor whale]

You can even bank facilities you don't want to use currently

It's a fine system

[restive siren]

i mean i also think its not the best solution but it was probably one of the fastest and easiest ways to implement it so they can spend their time on something else, its fine

[tiny otter]

just dont be broke?

[bronze kernel]

The only way they probably could realistically deliver this update was having the furniture be converted to an item

In a timely fashion I mean

[quick loom]

the different boats thing never really felt like a good idea to me. it'd be way cooler imo having one boat that you upgraded/customised as you level up

[frozen lion]

Wow I can empty forestry basket and fish sack barrel when they are in my inventory with this button, but when they are equipped I can't? What's the point of being equipable

[left willow]

Yeah I know, it's been a problem since release. I was really hoping this update finally fixed it but they've mentioned before about having difficulty with it.

[onyx steeple]

Came here to say this lol

[bronze kernel]

The bank code must be like trying to make lasagna of spaghetti noodles, tomato ketchup, and pieces of beef jerky

[quaint osprey]

thanks for the hotfix Mods ❤️

[raven solar]

The forestry basket and fish sack barrel also cannot be emptied to your bank from the Worn Items page. It doesn't make sense why it would affect containers that are not in your inventory.

[quaint osprey]

that's the reason i dont equip them, taking an extra inv space, which makes it pointless

[bronze kernel]

The purpose of having them being worn is to save that inventory slot

But not being able to deposit the contents without having it in the inventory then defeats that purpose

[raven solar]

Yep, I know.

[raven solar]

No. It avoids an undocumented change.

It would be a change to their functionality to make them emptyable while wearing them.

[bronze kernel]

I think people want that functionality

[raven solar]

I know, I'm not really arguing against the addition, but it's a separate feature.

They have to scope the work to a degree.

[raven solar]

Personally, I don't mind having to unequip them. Just having the extra inventory slot allows me to carry either a single unstackable item or a stack of stackable items that I otherwise wouldn't have been able to carry back to the bank. Would it be nice to empty them from Worn Items? Absolutely. But just having the extra inventory slot is already nice. My 2c.

[safe slate]

jagex make elite diary for all wildy bosses, lets end this gold farmers and bots

[minor whale]

The elite diary which requires killing all the bosses

Hmmm

[raven solar]

Had to search to find this. Want to bring it up again. Jagex please fix this.
Before update functionality was that if you click on potion storage, it always opens.
After update functionality is that if you click on potion storage while viewing a bank tag tab on the left side, potion storage doesn't open. You must close the bank tag tab first, then click on potion storage.

[safe slate]

yes, getting medium diary is easy

elite will make it harder

[hollow saffron]

clunky, button orders have moved, cannot click from potion storage to bank loadouts without closing, desgin looks clutterd

[minor whale]

You have to kill the bosses to get the elite diary
How exactly are you gonna lock them behind the diary you need to kill them to unlock

[tiny otter]

if you look at it through the mobile lens of being a pure mobile buff it makes alot more sense

[bronze kernel]

The potion storage thing is a problem with the plugin that's the plugin's fault there.

[violet delta]

Anyone know if these mult wilderness boss changes applies to DMM annhilation

[raven solar]

I think you're missing what Pyro was saying. Right now, you have to kill all of the wildy bosses to get the elite diary -- you can't lock access to bosses who are required to complete the diary behind completion of that diary///

[safe slate]

make it so that you only can get 1kc before elite

[raven solar]

Now there's an idea.

[minor whale]

Not possible, as it's a multi-part diary step and completing any other diary step will void it

If you killed Callisto and then went and did a separate step, you'd satisfy the 1kc and also be unable to do it again with that caveat

And it would lock the step

There's about 0% chance they ever make it an elite requirement for killing these bosses

[safe slate]

yeah

[warm aurora]

nobody wants this back mobile looking ass on OLD SCHOOL

bank

[safe slate]

im gonna protest, let all the bots and goldfarmers sit

[minor whale]

They're not gonna lock a boss behind 85 fishing, 96 magic, and 83 slayer combined lol

[raven solar]

yeahhh

[safe slate]

imagine

[raven solar]

If only. lol

[raven solar]

Turns out this is the bank tag plugin's fault, not Jagex's. I just checked the official client doesn't have or know about bank tags at all.

[gusty reef]

The fact that empty container doesn't work on equipped containers is such clown troll. Equipped containers had no purpose other than griefing the player ever since they got introduced and I guess this didn't solve it

[vast topaz]

any idea how to fix this new bank UI? looks abysmal im literally shaking right now

[zinc galleon]

Maybe this is a good time to experiment with world restricted bosses. Let it be that players contest the bosses, instead of adding restrictions. And then add an obelisk nearby.

They’re in caves already 🤷‍♂️

[warm aurora]

bro sucking off no u won’t get mod

it’s shitty and ugly mobile looking ass

[raven solar]

Im not trying to get mod. Just came here to commiserate

[azure burrow]

revert bank interface change ty

[warm aurora]

this is old school not rs3 modern mobile ugly layout

ugly ass mobile layout

[cyan brook]

Don't mind the addition of the empty containers button, but I don't see the point of cosmetically changing the rest of the stuff for no reason in a game built on nostalgia

[brisk stratus]

just put the equipped items button back on the left 🙁

[slate badger]

The latest update which just slaps another wilderness diary requirement on the rogues chests takes away what was a great thieving exp method, AND the best source of hard clues from level 3s, alongside removing the ability to do certain CAs, achievement diaries, AND bosses.

Level 3s are unable to complete the wilderness achievement diaries, but they WERE able to complete all of the above listed things, and with today’s changes, all of that which was once accessible will be gone.

We’ve already seen evidence that simply slapping a diary req on something only slows bots down, and does not stop them. Can we maybe add a total level requirement instead? This still isn’t ideal, but at least allows skillers to still have access to something they’ve had access to for years

[worthy hazel]

I really feel/hope they're cookin,g up some major anti-botting thing in the background and this is some bandaid solution

[idle summit]

the bank layout looks dogwater bwo just changing things just to change them

[silk thicket]

All 4 level 3 skillers that did rogues taking the hit to combat the insane bot problem there

Definitely worth imo

Sorry but appreciate ur sacrifice

[idle summit]

u can just stack the loot in a gravestone anyway at rogue chest, max ur risking is like 200k cuz u die every hour

1.5m/hr for basically zero risk is not what wildy is about

[tiny otter]

..its literally what its about

[idle summit]

zero risk 1.5m/hr moneymakers?

[tropic kelp]

Then maybe don't be a level 3 skiller if you want access to everything the game has to offer

[slate badger]

We’ve seen historical evidence that just sticking a diary requirement on something does nothing to stop botting, only delay it by a day

[idle summit]

not rly man

[tiny otter]

chuckles in raids 4 for pures

[slate badger]

Sorry, that argument doesn’t really work here because it has been accessible for years already

[idle summit]

its a live service game

[tiny otter]

theres an argument to be made for new content being restricted

but content that was once doable now no longer

[tender harness]

from who?

[fringe valve]

New bank interface looks terrible, is there a way to use the old one?

[limber creek]

theyve been botting it for years too. Soooo it should stay that way forever?

[tiny otter]

sure, why not

bots do not impact my gameplay

[limber creek]

they do even if you don't realize it

[tiny otter]

this'l be fun, go on

[true talon]

Aint no way they added a way to move facilities and tied it behind having to go to salvaging.....

[tropic kelp]

They only control most of the GE but sure, they don't impact your gameplay (I guess not if you are an iron)

[tender harness]

#game-update message its almost like it does work even if its not overtly obvious
im in the camp of the reqs are too low. but apparently it does work

[tiny otter]

iron since release..so 10years now, so yes

[true talon]

WHY did they lock the QOL of owning a boat behind a item you have to go salvage for????

[limber creek]

dont engage. He doesnt know what a bond is.

[tender harness]

iron thinking they arent impacted by bots

[zinc galleon]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1462760964226285683

Restrict multi bosses to 25-50 worlds

[tender harness]

no

[tiny otter]

dont use bonds as I big shock..have a job

[zinc galleon]

Let the players control it not bots

[true talon]

Facility Bottles can be found in various types of salvage such as Large, Pirate, Mercenary and Fremennik shipwreck salvages.
Didnt even put them on merchant ships

[idle summit]

same argument every single update

[tropic kelp]

I have an idea lets restore everything to how it was and also give pures access to chivalry how does that sound

[idle summit]

[limber creek]

Please don't harass me. Noone asked.

[tiny otter]

[silk thicket]

Like what? Zombie pirates went unbotted for the longest time

[tender harness]

what?

[woeful harbor]

[silk thicket]

Tbh it slows down creation of the accounts massively

[slate badger]

Sir, visit LMS. They added a total level requirement for it and quest point requirement for it

[silk thicket]

Before they needed what 72 thieving and 43 prayer?

[silk thicket]

I’m aware g I’m rank 2k lms

[slate badger]

It doesnt, because while one set of bots is botting the content, the next wave is already being created

You just add a 1 day delay at the very beginning

[silk thicket]

Indeed but the creation wave takes longer

Hence if u ban more often than they can be created

Ur slowly getting rid of em

[oblique mesa]

Doom is botted like the bar for what can be botted easily is so low

[slate badger]

You’re negatively impacting real players, and only slowing down bots by a day. That’s my argument

[tender harness]

you do know wildy med diaries are like extremely low barrier to entry

[silk thicket]

It’s much higher than 72 thieving 43 pray

[minor whale]

I'm in the same camp as always
Having a niche account type means sometimes the health of the game will prioritize your account type not getting access or losing access to something.
Pures don't get raids, level 3 skillers don't get Wildy bosses, and irons don't get early blighted supplies while only needing a rune mace to kill Vetion

[tender harness]

no it absolutely isnt

[slate badger]

I’m saying find a way to slow down bots that doesn’t negatively impact a portion of your playerbase who are playing legitimately

[grave tinsel]

jagex bans in waves though, deliberately delaying bans

[silk thicket]

I really would love to see the numbers on real players who did rogues before wildy med reqs

[tiny otter]

waves once a decade

[silk thicket]

Indeed sir but fairly frequently depending, for ex the lms bots are banned daily

[true talon]

Doom still reqires you to complete WGS to obtain a scorching bow, farm full void and also get rigour. wildy bosses you just need to buy the gear an drop down.

[slate badger]

Yet every day you return to LMS there are more bots

[woeful harbor]

Let's move this conversation away from the game update channel, thank you.

[slate badger]

It’s about today’s game update

[silk thicket]

U summarised my thoughts well ty sir

[idle summit]

its about the update

[minor whale]

Huh
This convo is like literally about today's update I don't think there's any channel that's more appropriate

[oblique mesa]

Nah I agree with you on this one. I've seen a bunch of level 3 skillers at Rogues Chest masses.
Hoping it was just an oversight and they can change it so you guys can keep doing rogues chest

[silk thicket]

Hmm is this not what it’s for? Feedback on the update

I specifically wanted to move it away from the pvp channel bcos it was feedback

But idk obv

[slate badger]

Level 3s could also do all of the wilderness bosses, and now that’s gone too

[minor whale]

If there is one I'll move there but what is it

[woeful harbor]

Yes, content related to the game update, not anything unrelated

[silk thicket]

Ahh oki

[tender harness]

Nah shit should stay behind diaries
med diary is also too low but thats just imo

[silk thicket]

I mean I do understand why skillers r upset but also imo game health takes prio

There are other ways to get hard clues no?

[slate badger]

This negatively impacts real players more than it slows down bots. Maybe a 1500 total req or something

[slate badger]

None as good as rogues chests

[minor whale]

Today was a solid first step
There should be more things outside of just the Wildy that is locked behind diaries

[tiny otter]

the colatteral in the bot wars has always been real players

today is no different

[limber creek]

Make the wilderness truly dangerous and pvpers could quell the entire bot population out there ourselves.

But you know what we can't touch? Any of the 3 raids bots, doom bots, corp bots, gotr bots, godwars bots, you know every single piece of content in the game is botted. And saying its all about the wilderness is incredibly reductive and just shows how much playtime/critical thinking some people have put into the issue.

[tender harness]

real players being like 2% of players and of that 2% some of those are actually legitimate and doing rogues normally

Jagex isnt going to factor niche accounts in for bot fixes nor should they

[silk thicket]

Ofc but isn’t that illustrative of the issue?

[visual path]

I’m disappointed that worn containers aren’t emptied… i was hoping that would be part of this QoL ever since the blog post last April.

[silk thicket]

A level 3 can go there for crazy go/h

[slate badger]

Are you arguing that the bots were doing their hard clues? My response was about hard clue scroll rates

[oblique mesa]

A level 3 in deep wilderness should get crazy gp/hr. You get exploded if anyone looks at you

[minor whale]

I think a big thing with other bosses vs Wildy bosses botting is that there's inherently no quests to unlock them so they need SOME barrier of entry

[limber creek]

A level 3 in deep wilderness should be able to be one hit by anyone else in the wilderness.

[tiny otter]

a level 3 is

hell, even npcs

[tender harness]

wildy money making in general Rogues chest multi bosses, singles bosses, etc. has needed a barrier for awhile
especially after whats become of voidwaker

[ionic tartan]

Add med and hard diary reqs on those too, everything gets the wildy treatment for bots.

[limber creek]

You gotta be elite tier on combat achievements to enter raids is on the horizon.

[grave tinsel]

hard diary for the easy boss version and then medium for the hard version seems quite backwards though, bit unfortunate

[silk thicket]

Nah I’m saying it’s illustrative of the issue since u could go there on a lvl 3 and make like 1.5m/h

[faint cloak]

make wildy skull you when you enter, no teleports at any level, and you can't enter caves or escape from bosses if under attack that'll fix the bots

[silk thicket]

So yeah I get why ur upset but integrity change

[oblique mesa]

Add bank raid keys too

[zinc galleon]

The attitude over rev caves not being allowed to be controlled by players has made room for bots to control everything else. They are literally dictating the impetus for update 🤷‍♂️

[tiny otter]

could fix the wildy bot issue

by deleting the wildy

[faint cloak]

move the wildy to priff

[zinc galleon]

Restrict the wilderness to 1 world, war against the clankers

[broken monolith]

Bro, Vetion was how I made my starting cash, there's gotta be better ways of dealing with bots...

[true talon]

go do the diaries, they arent hard

you can do up to elite on a pure

[safe slate]

https://tenor.com/view/blu-zushi-black-and-white-emotes-gif-13851867247344432124

[faint cloak]

why hard diary if not hard

[grave tinsel]

why not hard diary for vetion as well, makes 0 sense

[tender harness]

Idk these tasks are pretty high barriers

[tiny otter]

actual pkers dont go into the widly as is smh

[limber creek]

they just logout in vetion anyways.

[broken monolith]

Oh, IM way passed that, it just feels bad restricting something thats good for new players

[zinc galleon]

Wilderness diaries forced me to do slayer 😩

[tender harness]

you can get like 30 slayer from just quests and not even touching tasks

[true talon]

ehh i would argue that new players do not go into dangerous places like the wilderness/boss lairs without proper education. most the "new players" are bots that go right into those places.

[zinc galleon]

Then you need 82(?) for elite 🥲

[tender harness]

83 for elite but the discussion is for medium

😉

and dont forget you can pie boost to kill for elite anyway same with medium

so you really only need 78 and 45

[zinc galleon]

Oh didn’t know you could pie boost for those, i went all the way

[tender harness]

about 98% of diary tasks

you can boost for

[zenith pike]

what the FUCK

happened to the bank

[tiny otter]

hit by nuke

[broken monolith]

Learning how to run away from a PKer and only bringing 4 good items isn't really a hard thing to do...

[tiny otter]

much easier to learn not to do into the wildy

unless for wildy clues

[silk thicket]

Okay I propose a compromise with rogues

No loot except clues

Ez game

[tiny otter]

didnt even know they dropped clues

[silk thicket]

Empty containers goated btw

Log basket lowkey sucked before

Ty 4 dat

[chrome lantern]

One of the best sources in the game, I did them for clues long before the Ring of wealth (i) worked there and before they gave them bot-level loot

[worthy hazel]

You could've menu entry swapped it to be left click empty

[tiny otter]

I gave them a go for like 10mins month or 2 ago and was like..this loot is balls

never went back

[chrome lantern]

???

[silk thicket]

Did it have that option in bank?

I don’t remember

[tiny otter]

very high chance my specific loot was bad

[silk thicket]

I just remember it not being great on mobile

[worthy hazel]

ye

[tender harness]

and even more fun fact
you get;
1k from museum
1k from RFD
1k from Porcine of Interest
1k from Animal Magnetism
5k from wanted
if you're feeling spicy you can do generals shadow (doesnt need full DT completion) for another 2k

so 11k Exp basically which puts you around half way to 29 thats not factoring in royal trouble which would put you around 30/31

[tiny otter]

kept rolling like ashes

[silk thicket]

Maybe my memory bad idk

But I feel like they updated it too

Button goated anyway

[limber creek]

At least they gave ironman a good update.

2-0 in 2 years for the iron gang.

[true talon]

?

This bottle facilities thing blows

[safe slate]

what if they make lms also behind diary

[limber creek]

Yall can get zombie pirate loot now based on damage done. Which is a good update imo.

[chrome lantern]

?

It changes nothing

You get like a small fraction of the least valuable part of the loot

[true talon]

Better ironman update woulda allowed us to get loot from a revenant boss we been fighting for 5 minutes and some idiot gold farmer come an hit last second

[oblique mesa]

Just kill the goldfarmer before he hits the boss

[obsidian venture]

Interesting update

They could probably use diary reqs to see botting trends

[limber creek]

I agree that is crazy! Must feel really bad lol.

[minor whale]

Tbf they also made it significantly harder for early game irons to get blighted resources for fire cape/quests etc from Vetion which was super common these days

[thorny trellis]

I'm pretty bummed about the razmire change. If they're going to nerf a training method that has existed for half a decade, it would be nice to get a warning. I was planning on doing cranes and now it's dead.

[minor whale]

You're an iron
You should never have been able to buy items from a main selling them

[chrome lantern]

There was a guy crying in here and on Reddit about it apparently xd

[silk thicket]

Agility course still crazy good for it

[thorny trellis]

Yeah just pull up the ladder. very cool

[minor whale]

If Jagex had balls they'd deiron people who purchased items from their main via Razmire but that's a big 0 chance of happening

[chrome lantern]

This guy

[thorny trellis]

you're such a weirdo

[minor whale]

"I am upset I wasn't able to abuse something that wasn't intended to begin with" is a pretty equally weird take
The point of irons is you can't trade, and this was literally just buying supplies from your main lmao

[thorny trellis]

if it was a problem they could have fixed it 5 years ago

[idle summit]

?

[bronze kernel]

It probably went under the radar

[minor whale]

Jagex used to deiron people who did things that were explicitly against Iron rulesets
And thankfully they've fixed it now! 🙂

[bronze kernel]

Jagex seems to overlook things or turn a blind eye until things get enough traction on Twitter or Reddit

[minor whale]

They let a LOT of things go unnoticed I think purely because they weigh dev time vs impact

If it's "relatively unknown" they see the impact as small and don't put any dev time into it

[tiny otter]

you need a phd to know how shops interact by account type

[minor whale]

Either that or they are really really bad at actually looking at bug reports

[true talon]

I feel most irons would just go do wildy agiliy if they wanted these things.

[idle summit]

or almost no one who knew about it reported it cuz they benefit from it

like matt over here

[chrome lantern]

Lmao they moved the buttons in the deposit box interface and I immediately banked all my equipped items the first time

[fathom fog]

not too happy about the bank and deposit interface

[harsh herald]

they're okay but i think its just the arrangement order is a little weird

saw this on reddit and i think they are right

id much rather mix click the search icon when doing an inventory dump than the placeholder icon

[zenith prairie]

Empty Containers doesn't work for Seed Box 👎

[stone cloak]

Nor quiver :(

[ember token]

yeah i mean i wouldn’t really want either to be emptied tbh

[stone cloak]

Should have a toggle for sure

[chrome lantern]

Why wouldn't you want the seed box emptied, that's like its only use

[minor whale]

Doesn't it hold like a basically infinite amount of seeds

Probably because emptying it during farm runs would kinda suck

[chrome lantern]

It holds 6 types

You don't use it in farm runs

[minor whale]

Instead of being able to hold the ones you want in near infinite quantities

[chrome lantern]

It's basically only for UIMs and for looting seeds

At Master Farmers, slayer, and sailing npc/salvage

[heady pagoda]

What is this bank layout 😂 😭

[candid canyon]

pet chance on sorting salvage when

[zinc galleon]

When they nerf it 😈

[azure burrow]

glad to see everyone is a fan of the bank interface

[tiny otter]

judging by reddit theres way too many people that cant read going on

[zenith prairie]

why are you using a seed box for farm runs?

[frank portal]

Has jagex said anything about the drop rates for the facility bottle?

[true talon]

They will probably change it an move to a shop, its already being discussed per mod yume that players arent happy with this convoluted system.

[kind surge]

why couldn't we just use the ship bottles for it too

there's no reason to introduce a new item

[remote abyss]

Did my voidwaker grind just get locked behind 68 slayer and 75 smithing?!?!?

[thick beacon]

yo guys what is this? is there a way to revert this?

[remote abyss]

Waste of time normie economic counter bot update shafts irons again

[tender harness]

cry more do the diary

[zenith pike]

nope, you have been gifted a disease known as someoneneededtolookbusyattheoffice-itis

[thick beacon]

just wish if they gona change it like this they make it an option rather then forced

[remote abyss]

Mid grind now I’m blocked from every boss because I can’t smith an addy scimmy 🤪

[torpid delta]

they should just make entering all the wildy boss lairs require elite diary and solve the problem once and for all

[fossil mural]

You can get it without smithing adamant scimitar.

Just do the big bosses

[tender harness]

you aint locked mate

[ember token]

i think some people are struggling to comprehend that things needed to be moved around to fit the new button that 95% voted yes for

[remote abyss]

Ah yes forced multi combat deep wilderness content because of bots

[thick beacon]

wats the new button?

[chrome lantern]

Eh there will definitely be a plugin very soon but it does suck that they scrapped the official/mobile plugin API for now

[normal harbor]

I think there will always be some pushback on bank ui updates because people dont like change, but it is hard for me to see the value in swapping the search and placeholder lock buttons.
Would love a toggle to just not show the placeholder lock. The only time I click it is accidentally.
I havent seen much talk about it but I also dislike moving the menu to a very different location. I use the options to toggle different things depends on what im doing. I personally do not ever use the shown worn items button.

[kind surge]

90% of the playerbase spacebars all quests

[ember token]

the empty container button

[kind surge]

there was no reading comprehension in the first place

[ember token]

it's the one with the looting bag on it

[thick beacon]

what does that do for looting bag?

[tender harness]

crying more because you dont want to do diaries
wildy bosses are overdue to be locked

[fossil mural]

It’s not forced.. you can choose to do the hard diary requirements instead. You get a choice

[ember token]

it empties the contents of containers like the fish barrel into your bank

[chrome lantern]

What part is forced?

[ember token]

notably you can have the fish barrel equipped and can empty it now without needing to unequip it

[thick beacon]

u can equip fish barrel?

[remote abyss]

Overall it’s the solution to the situation it’s just so random to be locked out of a grind, had hilt already I’m not a massive bosser that’s all, the baby ones were ideal

[chrome lantern]

I thought someone said earlier you still can't deposit from worn containers

[north vessel]

Meh i have to play the game to play the game mehhhh welcome to anything in runescape thats locked behind a quest.

[fossil mural]

With the fish sack

[ember token]

[[fish sack barrel]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Fish_sack_barrel

[thick beacon]

oh i didint even know that item existed

gona be 200x slower gearing for that button now

[zenith pike]

good thing it aint worth it

[thick beacon]

ig its not that bad just gotta get used to it

[north vessel]

I will say, the new bank ui looks extremely low IQon mobile. We can read the buttons, we didnt need pictures.

[brisk hill]

Next we just need to reduce the amount of worlds the wildy is accessible in

[north vessel]

We need to make it where pkers cant escape other pkers.

[tiny otter]

pkers dont fight pkers so that already exists

[brisk hill]

With the current law that abides over wildy (singles +)

[ember token]

why doesnt the largest pker simply eat all of the smaller pkers

[brisk hill]

Why would I as a pker ever try to fight another pker

[tiny otter]

pkers that actually want to pk either use bh, pvp worlds

[ionic tartan]

PvP is too safe now with freeze-log. Smaller pkers can pretty much always escape bigger pkers.

So that naturally died out, leaving mostly just pkers killing pvmers, and the few gigamaxed streamers doing NH in the wildy instead of in PvP worlds.

[brisk hill]

Well said!

[hard axle]

multi kept it more balanced because no matter what your gear was, you could be piled to death by 10+ folks potentially

[random tartan]

Enjoy your 15k split

[north vessel]

Yes, 10 people in salad robes piling a dude in max is balanced. I mean yes, its fun. But its definitely just adding to the problem.

[hard axle]

it beats the problem of one unkillable dude in the wildy unless you match it

[north vessel]

So match it. The unkillable dude definitely has the multi line plugins and stays out of spear distance 99% of the time.

Nothing to me is funnier than people that call themselves pkers and then insta escape any other pker that gets on them when theyre hunting pvmers.

[zinc galleon]

it's peak 🗻

salad robes is dead content now gg

[hard axle]

pvmers complain about needing to bring 4 more items to anti-pk, but that's too much. And then you're now telling them to bring 500m over 12 slots to pk.

[ionic tartan]

That's just the natural result of "unkillable dude". The sweats remain and the casuals stop progressing up that skill ladder.

[brisk hill]

Why would I want to fight the guy that could kill me when I can’t get pj’d off the 1m loot piñata that doesn’t fight back lol

[hard axle]

Anti-pking pkers with the Bear is peak. Truly.

[north vessel]

I would agree with this if mystic sets didnt try to escape other mystic sets. Theres a small population of pkers that actually want a fight.

[hard axle]

dspearing a pker/pvmer into callisto melees

[north vessel]

Freezing them in venes webs

[hard axle]

eh

50s melee feels more satisfying imo

even if web smites them

[north vessel]

Nothing gets a pker off you faster than 0 run 0 prayer and tick damage.

[zinc galleon]

escaping is fine, it should just be harder dependin on where you are

[north vessel]

I dont think skulled players should be able to escape other skulled players without legit getting gap, out playing, or killing the other player.

[zinc galleon]

side note, I'm looking forward to new arrows not being bolts - msb meta come back??

[hard axle]

but yeah, I'm basically back on the multi-support train since we basically have profitable pvp options for everything else minus NH.

bolt ragging with the boys is fun

[north vessel]

Just adds to the tbow gap to next bis.

[ionic tartan]

But that's what I'm getting at. They didn't "need" to stay and fight (and become more skilled), and they don't have much chance of actually getting a kill. So they're just sticking to casual pking of pvmers who don't know how to freeze log because that's where the "reward" is.

[north vessel]

Dragon seeking arrows from the tbow are about to be nuclear.

[hard axle]

its 2 min hit when its successful, so basically 1 max hit higher on average

it's okay

scales less than ranged str actually

since tbow scales 4 ranged str into 2-3

[north vessel]

It still wont even put msb on level with atlatl with any strength bonus.

[hard axle]

Moons gear is just ridiculous where it comes from

I still think BM is unbalanced for where and when it comes from

0 sense why it has a set effect, is directly superior to torso, slightly below bcp, etc.

[zenith pike]

moons gear into inferno is a perfectly reasonable thing to do now

[chrome lantern]

They should remove the str bonus on blood moon down to the other moons sets and just make the set bonus proc slightly more

[zenith pike]

yeah

[north vessel]

Moons is just "barrows v2 the bandos skip" for irons now.

[brisk hill]

I can’t name a single barrows item that has str bonus comparable to bandos

[north vessel]

Think about moons.

[zenith pike]

cuz none have str bonuses

[brisk hill]

Bingo

[oblique mesa]

Doesn't the brocrag set have str bonus

[north vessel]

Moons is just big boy barrows. Kill the brothers, loot the box, get armor and weapons at like a 1/18 chance. Its the same thing, just tougher brothers and better gear.

[brisk hill]

It’s not though

Lol

[fossil epoch]

Does it feel like the potion storage takes longer to open up when clicked with the new interface for anyone else?

[north vessel]

How is it any different?

Other than the fact you never bank and its free to do.

[north vessel]

I hadnt noticed it, but im mobile so everythings always been slow.

[fossil epoch]

Like it could just be me, because new interface just makes me look at the difference more, but i swear it feels less "instant" than it did before

[north vessel]

Makes me feel like a 2nd grader opening a picture book.

[hard axle]

u literally skip barrows altogether now unless you have 0 friends, hate dt2, etc.

until you go for hydra dharok task basically

it's insane

[north vessel]

You go for tank top and legs to go to moons.

Thats literally it, besides the clue step and a few cas

[brisk hill]

Just one example of it being different is, you’re basically guaranteed to be done before 400kc

[hard axle]

I did a few rusn on a low level acc with torso (rune defense) just to not waste time and it wasn't awful

blood moon was occasionally a twat

[zinc galleon]

non iron pathing: crab > ge

[hard axle]

even as a non-iron, it's really strong gear

[zenith pike]

can confirm, step unders helps mitigate the bloodmoon heal

at lower def

[oblique mesa]

Nah there is a short delay with it

I use potion storage all the time and can confirm there is a slight delay with opening it now 😢

[fossil epoch]

glad it wasnt just me feeling it

[oblique mesa]

Been skilling since the update so I hadn't checked it out yet, good catch

[warm epoch]

How often do you open it?

Like I get all my pots from presets etc

[oblique mesa]

I've been lazy and didn't make a preset for my current boss grind yet 👉 👈 been grabbing super combat and prayer pots from favorites

[frail bough]

Bruh

Isn't it like 2 buttons after you've already geared lol

[warm epoch]

Yeah lmao

[chrome lantern]

I use bank tag layouts pretty extensively but I still use the standard bank interface pretty extensively, part of why I never intend to ever get potion storage downgrade

[zenith pike]

I'm literally the same way

[fossil epoch]

Idk man i really like the potion storage, use it alot

[shadow wave]

Works very well with Inventory Setups

[oblique mesa]

Oh also looks like its bugging with bank tags.
Try and open potion storage when you have a bank tag open 😢

[minor whale]

Inventory Layouts plugin with potion storage is great
But it does suck on mobile that's for sure

[sharp cave]

Moons is not "big boy barrows", in any meaningful way. The only thing they share is how you obtain the loot after a kill which is a meaningless and pointless comparison to make, I mean is ToA big boy barrows too? You kill the bosses in any order you like then loot the chest at the end?

Absolutely pointless comparing the two and suggesting that they are even remotely similar is stupid

[north vessel]

Okay then barrows is the original raid.

[obsidian venture]

[ember token]

barbarian assault is the original raid

[sharp cave]

Yeah you might as well call it the original raid if you are going to say its similar to moons?

[north vessel]

Thats a shop. Not a loot chest.

[sharp cave]

The thing that matters is the bosses mechanics

[ember token]

a raid is defined by whether or not you loot a chest at the end?

interesting

[sharp cave]

and compared to barrows it might as well be a different game

[ember token]

the yanille agility dungeon is a raid

[north vessel]

Moons and barrows are so similar its unreal. Name any other sets in the game that have a set bonus souly unlocked by wearing every piece.

[ember token]

you kill salarin the twisted and use the twisted keys to open the chest

[chrome lantern]

Sinister*

[sharp cave]

But that doesnt matter??? When telling anybody to do moons you cant just say "its like barrows" and expect them to ace it on the first time?

[north vessel]

I never said ace it the first time

Anywhere.

[vivid ruin]

Thunder kopesh megarare wen

[sharp cave]

i mean i think thats the implication by saying its like barrows?

nightmare has a set that has a set bonus, is that barrows now?

[north vessel]

[sharp cave]

it isnt just tougher brothers

[kind surge]

yeah they're tougher sisters

[north vessel]

Still waiting on anyone to tell me a major difference that will change my mind.

[sharp cave]

lol i think its funny that looting a chest at the end for armour and weapons makes them similar in your mind

thats pretty much the only thing they share in common

[chrome lantern]

My favorite part of barrows is when you attack the blood jaguar

[brisk hill]

My favorite part of blood moons is where running around drains your prayer lol

[north vessel]

My favorite part of barrows is looting the chest at the end and getting a piece of barrows specific armor.

[chrome lantern]

ToB is barrows confirmed

[vivid ruin]

They're probably same categorically but not anything else

[chrome lantern]

Justi set effect

Comes from chest

Has bosses

Gives runes

[sharp cave]

my favorite part of calvarion is looting the ground at the end and getting a calvarion specific loot

[dawn jackal]

moons and barrows share a lot of similarities

[brisk hill]

Ye but saying they’re the same is a reach

[vivid ruin]

Yeah it's not crazy to compare the 2. Like people compare cox and toa

[dawn jackal]

i mean sure flaming the guy for that is wacky though

the jmods have stated (mostly mode rice) that the goal was to make a more modern barrows experience

[north vessel]

Thank you for being the only person with a sarcastic yet valid response.

[minor whale]

Definitely not crazy to compare Barrows and Moons
A ton of people on release literally called them Barrows 2

Dunno why you're getting so much pushback lol

[sharp cave]

i already mentioned nightmare lol

[sharp cave]

because its a pointless comparison

[north vessel]

No chest.

Single boss.

[sharp cave]

right

[north vessel]

Not kill multi bosses loot chest for gear with set effect.

[sharp cave]

i think comparing the boss to another boss that it only shares the way you pick up loot is stupid

but whatever "its barrows"

just go in stand there with prot melee and mage the boss its barrows

its barrows after all, and when i go to moons im going to expect it to be like barrows, as in i can just stand still with a prayer on and kill the bosses with wind bolt

[north vessel]

I mean, if you want to die sure.

[sharp cave]

this is why i think describing it as barrows is pointless and misleading

just because you loot a chest at the end and can kill a variable number doesnt mean its like barrows in any meaningful way

[north vessel]

The big boy part of my argument was literally the "v2"

[dawn jackal]

jin you might be losing the forest through the trees here

[sharp cave]

i still dont think thats a fair comparison due to how complex it is compared to the original

[north vessel]

And tob is definitely comparable to cox

[kind surge]

to be fair, moons aren't really that complex

[minor whale]

I think you're getting very riled up over a guy saying they're similar with Moons having tougher fights
I mean they're extremely similar content lol

[kind surge]

they're braindead

[sharp cave]

why? telling anyong "its like barrows" confers basically no useful information

[sharp cave]

if moons is braindead then whats barrows?

[dawn jackal]

it is a similar insulated experience with multiple bosses and mid game rewards

[sharp cave]

do we even consider it content?

[kind surge]

also braindead

[dawn jackal]

barrows is clogger jail for like 50 hours or whatever

[sharp cave]

if barrows is such trivial content then why are we using it as a comparison point

[north vessel]

Barrows is just moons but dumb.

[brisk hill]

I think you should grab a heay ballista, make 3 friends, & go to wild & find out why osrs was brought back

[dawn jackal]

the moderators have stated that the goal with moons was to provide a modern barrows type experience

[sharp cave]

tbh if i was a new player who was disappointed with barrows hearing moons "is barrows v2" would put me off if anything

[tender harness]

what

[dawn jackal]

holy 2351 gz

[north vessel]

As a new player a dry protected 8m drop would have me locked in, but ok.

[sharp cave]

just like barrows!

[tender harness]

[sharp cave]

you mean id have to look up how its actally not like barrows to lock in! damn!

[north vessel]

Name a single item at barrows thats 8m and dry protected.

[minor whale]

Even the wiki compares them lmao

[tender harness]

if I took everything that literally I too would be miserable

[minor whale]

Why are we getting so mad about this holy shit dude

Like

Chilltf out lmao

[north vessel]

🤣

[sharp cave]

ah well

its barrows i guess

[tender harness]

im too busy laughing at people crying over diary reqs for wilderness

[chrome lantern]

Do you guys think that Kraken is a KBD-inspired boss where you stand there and attack it

[north vessel]

Have fun at moons v1

[sharp cave]

the bank interface is funnier

[north vessel]

Thats literally most of osrs.

Click thing, wait for thing to do thing, click thing again.

[brisk hill]

If you engaged in PvP you wouldn’t be discussing sub categories for boss content

[sharp cave]

its basically no different from barrows or moons though

[brisk hill]

I said it

[graceful jungle]

How it should be bro let’s go back to face tanking every boss and eating before it kills you

[north vessel]

Would love to face tank duke honestly. Got hit a 89 last night by the eye spec because my daughter needed something.

[brisk hill]

Make Ely great again

[graceful jungle]

89 ouuuuuch

[north vessel]

Any boss worth doing in 2026 is more than just click wait sim.

[graceful jungle]

Giant mole always worth doing 😂 One of the goated pets my boy

[hard axle]

cant unless they make it work on ALL damage

the fact that ely doesn't work on half of the damage in the game and 70% past content from 2015

is why ely is shit

[north vessel]

Make venom useful again 2026.

[minor whale]

Gosh I wonder why players would call it Barrows v2
It's in no way got to do with this official blog post talking about developing it could it

[graceful jungle]

Bro give the serpentine helm venom again

Why’d they even nerf that

[chrome lantern]

Doesn't it?

With a poison weapon

[minor whale]

Jagex really dislikes Venom

[north vessel]

They nerfed venom as a whole. Serp just poisons now. Guaranteed venom with a toxic weapon though.

[minor whale]

I think they wish it was an effect they had never added

And yeah serp helm with poison melee just poisons

[north vessel]

They hate venom same way they hate shadow.

[hard axle]

venom is problematic because it scales up

unlike poison which scales down

[north vessel]

Gone are they days of venom tzhaar tasks being a 5 min ordeal.

[minor whale]

It should just be a constant damage instead of scaling

[ionic tartan]

I think a dev talked about reworking poison to be more like a stacking debuff like bleed/burn.

[graceful jungle]

Def pures were able to PvM and PvP with it

[hard axle]

combined with safespotting, it becomes too strong

[chrome lantern]

Replace venom with 12 damage poison :p

[hard axle]

thats why burn isnt problematic and poison is less so

[tender harness]

replace venom with a chance to roll golden venom splats that do 10x the venom tick

[ionic tartan]

But yeah, venom is very strong where it can be used.

[north vessel]

Theyve started nerfing burn in cases too.

[hard axle]

and buffed it in others

[north vessel]

True

[hard axle]

used to not work on olm melee hands

[sharp cave]

its the forthos dungeon v2 afterall

[north vessel]

Im a fan that they made it not hurt contribution at contribution based bosses.

[charred oracle]

Is putting stuff into diaries jagex's way of dealing with bots since they can't figure out how to detect them

[north vessel]

Yes

[dawn jackal]

i think they can figure out ways to detect bots generally speaking

[graceful jungle]

Lock stuff behind click intensive activities in public areas

[dawn jackal]

but yes diaries help to restrict bots

[north vessel]

But also, wildy bosses were accessible within like 3 hours on a fresh account, and could make substantial money off rip. That also isnt super healthy for the game IMO dont flame me 🙄

[chrome lantern]

Click intensive doesn't stop bots at all wym

[minor whale]

If someone said "it's like Forthos kinda" I'd say "Yeah"
You're the only one here getting upset over a guy who said something that the devs themselves compared it to

[sharp cave]

Forthos dungeon is just varrock sewers v12

[graceful jungle]

The nuances in CPU mouse movement versus human are one of the common ways used to find them, and making it in public helps. I’m not saying it’s a slam dunk method

[minor whale]

Clearly you're not gonna just say 'Ok I was wrong and the devs also compared it to Barrows so I'll just stop now' I'll just leave this convo
Whatever you gotta do to not be wrong in your mind, go for it man

[brisk hill]

I agree, but it affects the food chain as a whole. There has to be a better solution but no one knows what it is, otherwise it would be implemented

Majority of changes especially those Jagex has made the past couple years has reduced the food chain

[north vessel]

The thing with wildy bosses being early accessible is that it doesnt give jagex any time to detect the bot, by the time they find it and ban it theyve muled it and made 3 more,

[sharp cave]

the devs did compare it to barrows, but that doesnt instantly make it a meaningful comparison

[brisk hill]

That goes for PvP or pker vs pvmer

[sharp cave]

if they said it was similar to guardians of the rift we wouldnt be saying its gotr v2

[north vessel]

The people who made it making it to be a better version doesnt make it a better version is a crazy take.

[vivid ruin]

Are we still yapping abt moons n barrows

[minor whale]

Just disengage at this point

No point arguing lol

[north vessel]

Tbf it was dead till your screenshot.

[graceful jungle]

Idk what you guys are talking about but I noticed in online debates once ego is involved neither person is having a real conversation at that point

[vivid ruin]

Thunder kopesh megarare when

[graceful jungle]

Like how often do you see someone online go “damn you’re right I didn’t know that my bad thanks for telling me that” it’s like super rare lol

[sharp cave]

god damn lol its a simple case of comparing it to barrows isnt meaningfully useful to anyone doing the content

jesus christ

holy moley

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[narrow folio]

It was inspired by barrows and the structure is similar

Fights are completely different

There?

[sharp cave]

the looting structure is similar yes

[vivid ruin]

I said that 30 minutes ago

[brisk hill]

This channel was cooler as PvPcord

[sharp cave]

but the looting structre of raids is also similar

[north vessel]

Oh my god let it die

[azure burrow]

not good enough. someone needs to be 100% correct here

[sharp cave]

holy fuck

[narrow folio]

You kill as many as you like and loot rolls based on what you killed

[north vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-your-mouth-watch-your-profanity-watch-it-gif-5600117

[vivid ruin]

Had a full on conversation with a customer and her problems, come back and you guys still yapping about moons

[azure burrow]

it either is or isnt like barrows. no fence sitting bs

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-send-this-man-to-the-diddy-party-gif-14507754376978362917

[graceful jungle]

Nobody admits they were 100% wrong only 50%

It’s the nature of online arguing

[brisk hill]

Never lose sometimes win

[azure burrow]

well then they should keep arguing about it until someone is completely defeated and admits the other is correct. The only way i see this being resolved civilly

[vivid ruin]

We'd need lots of popcorn

[north vessel]

Either way it goes, moons is 100% over powered gear for what it takes to get it, and it makes other content less relevant, which was what this shit all started over.

[brisk hill]

Think you both grab a willow short bow & rune 2h

& solve this in wildy

Omggg

Scary I know

[graceful jungle]

F2P PvP is lowkey based

[north vessel]

Hell just snare log.

[dawn jackal]

what kinda aldi brand fire reaction

[narrow folio]

Soo empty containers looks fine but ultimately not a huge deal

[vivid ruin]

Ikr who tf uses 🔥

[dawn jackal]

i would've thunk after the rs3 situation jagex would wise up to never ever update the ui under any circumstances

[sharp cave]

they polled it though?

[chrome lantern]

What happened in RS3

[dawn jackal]

they updated the color of the ui and people lost their minds

[brisk hill]

You don’t have enough time lol

[sharp cave]

pretty sure you can swap it back to blue?

[north vessel]

Enough time to get gap

[sharp cave]

i think the issue in rs3 is they swapped the buttons around

[dawn jackal]

if you can now you couldn't on the day of release

[graceful jungle]

So little people play rs3 jagex can do what they want and ignore the outrage lol

[sharp cave]

not the fact they turned it back to brown

[brisk hill]

We are back to someone needing to be 100% right again

And I know for a fact I will not run away if we choose to solve this in wildy

[north vessel]

Wonder how many p2w nerds were furious they took keys away.

[sharp cave]

enough they added in an alternate p2w to compensate

[vivid ruin]

Wait what

[north vessel]

Wait for real? 🤣

[brisk hill]

Well

[dawn jackal]

you can purchase bonus xp packs

[sharp cave]

you can buy bonus exp yeah

[north vessel]

🤣

Bro

Jagex really said "were taking your keys but keeping our income" based asf.

[sharp cave]

its different i guess, you have to earn the base exp to cash in the bonus exp

but paying jagex 20$ for double exp is still p2w

[dawn jackal]

its a significant upgrade over the previous product

[sharp cave]

thats true, but think that if the original p2w botherd you that this should move the needle

[dawn jackal]

sorry thats not clear - the changes make rs3 a better product

[north vessel]

Thats like bonds. "Rwt is bad, unless its us selling you the gold"

[sharp cave]

yeah bonds are also p2w

[dawn jackal]

i think its no more a p2w game than osrs at this moment

[graceful jungle]

They had to become the plug

[sharp cave]

id argue as bad as buying exp

[north vessel]

Holy moley

We agree.

Whats the world coming too?

[brisk hill]

Someone mention barrows QUICK!

[vivid ruin]

So yeah moons and barrows are the same

[brisk hill]

The mole & cox are the same

Brb!

[graceful jungle]

I guess. A noob buying all that gear is still gonna suck with it and get exposed by ez bosses

[azure burrow]

are they tho? @north vessel@sharp cave

[north vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-stirs-in-a-kettle-gif-4450029061329788588

[restive storm]

Barrows is good fun and nostalgic, moons just suck across the board - hope this helps 👍

[dawn jackal]

try maxing with 500m and try maxing with 0 gp its a vastly different experience

osrs is certainly p2w

[sharp cave]

aww

[north vessel]

Got eem

[graceful jungle]

What’s 500m gonna do for someone agility training

[dawn jackal]

gonna get them stams , but thats not really the comparison is it

[north vessel]

Buy you pies to do a course 5 levels ahead.

[graceful jungle]

Pies lol

[dawn jackal]

compare cons training

[charred oracle]

Alch+Cannon, multi-training. See: Fastest max series

[dawn jackal]

spend 100$ and get 99 cons in 13 hours

[sharp cave]

just because it isnt useful in some skills doesnt instantly make it ok for the skills it skips????????????????

[brisk hill]

!!!!!!!!!!

[north vessel]

Rs3 is just swipe-your-card-scape

[azure burrow]

agility is just like construction. could say agi v2 one could say

could say

[dawn jackal]

rs3 is not really that p2w

[graceful jungle]

I guess I have 99 agility it never occurred to me to buy pies or stams I just did that shit

[dawn jackal]

no more than osrs

[brisk hill]

[sharp cave]

well, they do share the one thing thats pointless to compare them against each other with...

[charred oracle]

Forgot to level the int+creativity

[north vessel]

I have 81 agil and every lamp i get goes straight there. I dont see how people run circles for hours.

[azure burrow]

im listening

[north vessel]

99 levels.

[tender harness]

I dont see how people kill X amount of mobs and repeat with different mob for hours is fun but people do

[sharp cave]

wow we are so in sync right now

[dawn jackal]

i think seph is right up there with the best content ever released, id gladly do 1k hours of seph

[azure burrow]

the jin and twisted agreeing arc is gonna go crazy

[north vessel]

The dompamine from a mark of grace is definitely the same as the dopamine from a nihil horn.

[tender harness]

considering I made an easy 20m doing 99 agility right before sailing launched yeah thats dopamine

[azure burrow]

can make 20mil in 2 hours xddd

[tender harness]

is agility boring? fuck yeah it is

[north vessel]

20m in 200 hours is crazy.

[sharp cave]

end of the day vardorvis and agility are the same, its just clicking on object v2

[brisk hill]

20m from how many hours of your life!

[tender harness]

8600 laps of ardy

[brisk hill]

That’s insane

[graceful jungle]

When they polled the ge and bonds did you guys vote yes ?

[meager flame]

What the hell happened to the interface help

[dawn jackal]

kinda a twisted question, when they polled bonds the question was either mtx or bonds

[azure burrow]

they broke it : (

[vivid ruin]

Im always saying how GE unironicly ruins the game

[tender harness]

I mean its a boring skill, its also really not terrible to level.
I find more tedium in doing shit like slayer honestly

[sharp cave]

did they poll bonds??

[graceful jungle]

Yea bonds were a poll

[sharp cave]

i refuse to belive they polled that

[north vessel]

Absolutely voted yes to bonds. Why tf would i pay jagex when someone else can for me, i make the gp back in a day or so for a month of members.

[sharp cave]

can you find the poll lol? i wont believe it till i see it

[dawn jackal]

Sorry, this isn't true. The question was f2p and bonds or no f2p

[north vessel]

Idk if they did or not lmao