game-update

[brisk hill]

You are trolling & ragebaiting

Troll ragebaiter

No longer interacting tbh

Just make wildy great again

[true talon]

I spent a lot of time in rev caves pking an skull tricking, it was not good for the game at all.

[brisk hill]

👍

[vivid ruin]

Lol

[brisk hill]

Anyways multi ecosystem, tick delay for teleporting out of wildy below 30, & speak to pvp community before making asinine changes

Thanks!

[true talon]

You wanna have your multi-clan fights go hit up the leaders of other clans and arrange a meet up at greater demons.

[restive storm]

Agreed rage bait at this point cba

[brisk hill]

Just go set up fights bozo

Bet you didn’t think of that one?

[restive storm]

Just wants no pvp allowed in 2.2k worlds

[brisk hill]

😭

[true talon]

there is a tick delay below 30

[brisk hill]

I don’t get what the difference is between holding down revs & gwd in 1 world

You’d just hop & find an open world

Idgi

[vivid ruin]

Wildy should be locked out to any world that isnt 750 total

;p

[brisk hill]

That would make scout bots a bit harder to make

[vivid ruin]

I kid

Actually i could go without the scout bots

[restive storm]

There isn’t any they just don’t like to think that anyone else has access to their special worlds

[vivid ruin]

Reporting my clan to a website that huge clans have access to

[limber creek]

theres only 300 worlds to hop right now. Surely you can find the one dude doing hellhounds that isn't a bot before the hop timer gets your ass.
So people cant shopscape.

[brisk hill]

The best part about those worlds is: if you had enough you knew you could go & make a fight happen at the least

[restive storm]

Same way purespam threatened to get my pure banned the same day I got 2k cuz I had the gall to pk in 2k worlds

And he thought I was stream sniping him despite him doing nothing but sitting in the same three worlds

[limber creek]

when people are upset about protected worlds it brings me back to victimology of the normal player.

I used to love eating protected pvmers and banking all their 3-5m bags ❤️

[brisk hill]

Yeah like get 15 friends & clear the world bro

[restive storm]

Never dealt with an ego that bad before nor after it was crazy

[brisk hill]

Not hard

Maybe the making friends part is what’s hard for most.

[limber creek]

Even if rot ends up killing some of us. As long as we get out with 1 bag we profit lol.

[restive storm]

Yeah you only needed one

[brisk hill]

Idk how in a game that celebrates online single player campaign mode

[vivid ruin]

And ironmans worst enemy

[brisk hill]

People act like they never made profit in caves

[vivid ruin]

Overhyped skillers/cloggers

[brisk hill]

Just silly

[limber creek]

The people complaining might not have lol.

Which is sad..

[brisk hill]

Sorry for their luck idk how

[limber creek]

lmaoooo

[true talon]

Unlucky pvp so dead your content creators had to make ironmen for entertainment

[limber creek]

just punch an imp bro

[brisk hill]

Must’ve never tried to pk

[brisk hill]

Rage baiter fuming lol

[limber creek]

could you imagine how satisfying it must be to punch an imp

i bet that feels incredible

[brisk hill]

I maced an Ironman for his crystal helm the other day @true talon

He’s at CG rn

[vivid ruin]

[true talon]

deserved because hes an idiot

thats +1 vote to decline pvp updates are you happy now

he might of been neutral

[brisk hill]

Not like things pass anyway silly noob

Is why mine content creators making iron memes

:p

Until noobs can have a chance to own they’ll never enjoy PvP tbh

[vivid ruin]

Casual banter = pvp hate interesting

[true talon]

The company is just focusing on what makes them money, same reason wow pvp is bad.

[vivid ruin]

Another reason devs need to not poll wildy stuff

[brisk hill]

That’s a fair & honest take thanks for that

[true talon]

pvp dont make them anything, it often breeds extreme toxicity and costs more people to leave than play (like staking)

[zinc galleon]

it's just unfortunate they made huge changes and never looked back

[brisk hill]

That’s the biggest issue word

But being in this disc & seeing ppl complaining about the same thing across the whole game has been refreshing

but at least the rest of the game knows it’ll get addressed eventually

[true talon]

You also have no1 advocating for pvp

like behe who wouldnt shut up about the hooded slayer helm for 2 years

[brisk hill]

Hard to when we got ppl like you killing our dreams saying we are racketeers!

[restive storm]

Shoulda skull tricked the ironmeme so he’d quit the game

Then it’s -1 no vote

[brisk hill]

Took one for Ely the other day too :c

He’s at Corp rn

[true talon]

if you get skull tricked in 2026 then you got no frontal lobe

[brisk hill]

Why does an iron need an ely

Other than to flex

[vivid ruin]

To cheese colo

[true talon]

they dont lol, most end up with it going for arcane (which is useful)

[brisk hill]

Fk that I’d get Mage book & never look back

Soloing Corp as a main is already tedious

Imagine as an iron

Nty

[true talon]

ammount of bhers i seen with lvl 60 infernal capes/quivers pretty much sums up pvpers and buying things that give them advantages.

[brisk hill]

You could argue the same for pvmers fella :p

[vivid ruin]

You're assuming they dont have a main at lvl 60 with specific stats and gear? Hmm

[brisk hill]

But I know what you mean :p

[true talon]

when they cant even single eat a 5 tick gmaul switch then yea

[vivid ruin]

Ive never been to bh so i dont relate

[true talon]

shame, because thats were all the pvp is

[limber creek]

then you run a tob with a dude in blood torva who dies to every boss and it really makes you wonder 👀

[true talon]

ya those people lol

[vivid ruin]

I normally just anti or group somewhere in wildy

[limber creek]

(People are bad and buy shit because they're not only bad but lazy as well in pvp pvm etc. Every group has cheaters and balacning things around those cheaters will make a weenie hut jr game for us all. )

[restive storm]

I agree that it’s boring jagex stopped banning bought capes

I did mine people should do theirs

[true talon]

There is also an elitest complex on a lot of blood torva/zuk helm havers. they often are so focused on not losing ticks or doing less damage than people that they often die to dumb shit. this is very common. which is why most of them die on hcim.

[limber creek]

Infernal cape was the single best feeling of accomplishment in the game.
If you rob yourself of this i laugh at you.

[restive storm]

But I guess that’s just kinda way things go now, even pvmers buy that thing and god knows we can ban pvmers for cheating

[vivid ruin]

I get offers from friends but i refuse to get any help for inf or colo

[brisk hill]

What dude?

[true talon]

inferno an colo is good content, makes you better at the game.

[limber creek]

its kinda braindead now with the mage meta too... very easy to cape etc.

[brisk hill]

Only pvpers bot & break game rules lol

[true talon]

Id like to learn blood torva to, but the thought of grinding orbs is cringe

[restive storm]

Just buy them

[limber creek]

(People buy that too and radiant oathplate)

🤫

[true talon]

well pvp is the only place you can actually lose money

[brisk hill]

Not trying to be rude, what’s the correlation between that & my obvious sarcastic remark

[true talon]

Losing money = RWT more likely, die for 600m set an return with another 1 in few seconds......
Pvm = doesnt lose money doing literally anything.

[brisk hill]

[vivid ruin]

You responded to a joke though

[brisk hill]

Alrighty

[true talon]

Its same as deathmatching and staking

[restive storm]

Losing money pvping in the big ‘26

[vivid ruin]

The joke is that every group of people cheat and lie

[brisk hill]

Idk what you’re on about tbh

[vivid ruin]

Not just muh pvpers

[true talon]

not ironmen we cant trade 🙂

[brisk hill]

So trading is how you can cheat

The only way?

[vivid ruin]

Inferno cape isnt tradeable

[brisk hill]

😂

[restive storm]

Service discords

[brisk hill]

What is he saying!!

[restive storm]

Most customers are irons anyway

[brisk hill]

He’s rage baiting!!!

[true talon]

I hate services im glad they removed mega scales

[restive storm]

Oh good 1/1,000,000th of the problem is gone

[vivid ruin]

Love all of you

😂

[brisk hill]

Yeah I mean stacking raids for irons so it’s a 50% purple is hella cringe. That’s kinda what my sarcastic point was about. You insinuate it’s just PvP clans break the rules in game breaking ways when that’s just not true obviously

Thanks for agreeing 👍

If we applied the same logic that was applied to rev caves, you wouldn’t have a game anymore. Simple as

[limber creek]

Ill do what benefits my idea the most buddy!

[dawn jackal]

cool part of an MMOrpg

[limber creek]

I think services are for noobs.

[brisk hill]

I think do too tbh. A community in the game that identities a player issue that the devs shouldn’t waste their time trying to solve? Pog

[zinc galleon]

me irl

[dawn jackal]

and the expense of services adds a lot of depth to some long term goals (200m all, all pets, loser cloggers)

[vivid ruin]

In before we kill pvm because people buy inferno capes, quivers, holypl8

[dawn jackal]

services =/= login services to be clear

[vivid ruin]

Squeel of fortune?

[brisk hill]

Nah like someone logs into your acc to do somet

[vivid ruin]

Yeah but what other services does he mean

[brisk hill]

Tubu means running runes as an example as a cool service

[vivid ruin]

Ohhh

[dawn jackal]

pet boosting, rc running, ca boosting

[vivid ruin]

True

[brisk hill]

That stuff should be encouraged imo

Mmo!

[vivid ruin]

Yeah team play essentially

Irons being on same server as main game sort of kills that stuff

[dawn jackal]

i don't think so

irons purchase most of boosting services

BA boosts, CA boosts, etc

or at least thats what i'm told

by people who operate boosting services

[vivid ruin]

Mains will pay for all of it plus some. You cant pay an iron to run essence

[zinc galleon]

i dont think buying boosting is bad as long as it's all done in game

[dawn jackal]

yea login services should be very frowned upon and are against TOS

[vivid ruin]

Nu-Irons complain about drop rates while drop rates are calculated specifically for market of main game

[restive storm]

I don’t think they are currently tho is my problem

At least they stopped enforcing it

[brisk hill]

I’m sure the data would likely tell us why

Like how many capes do we think are legit ykwim

[limber creek]

Mine and wooxes.

Everything else is a phony.

Ive met plenty of people that couldnt pvm their way out of a plastic bag though with capes so... 🙁

[dawn jackal]

i would wager the reason they don't ban people who purchase login services is not because they don't want to

[limber creek]

oh yeah its prob just hard to prove because some people use vpns and stuff already.

but like. we know lol

[dawn jackal]

but it is unfortunate nonetheless

[chrome lantern]

Why don’t they just do an opinion poll where people answer if they had anyone log into their account/parsec for infernal cape then ban the people that say yea..

Duh

[brisk hill]

My wager is much darker. I think it would be an insane amount of capes

Grown adults already can’t judge their free time & beg Jagex to shit out resources for their Ironman

No way in hell they are learning infernal

[dawn jackal]

it's a pr win for jagex to say they just nuked 10,000 infernals

[small anvil]

(it might be a financial loss if those people quit)

[brisk hill]

So you’re saying it must be a majority

[dawn jackal]

i don't subscribe to the tin foil theories

i also don't think more than 20% of capes are bought

[small anvil]

Not saying a large portion is bought

[brisk hill]

I do tbh. Jagex runs the gold sites

[small anvil]

Just that banning people who buy it might make lose more subscribers than it gains

[limber creek]

crazy take.

[small anvil]

No way jagex runs the gold sites

[brisk hill]

They don’t really have opposition in shutting them down per their laws

[small anvil]

If they did they could just ban all the gold sellers

[restive storm]

I’d absolutely bet there’s more bought capes ingame than earned and I don’t think it’s close

[small anvil]

Having black market gold undercuts their legal gold selling business, bonds

[brisk hill]

I’d argue that as the price of rwt gold goes down & bonds go up….

But I guess that wouldn’t do much if you are buying them with in game gold

Idk I’m thankful I’m not a game dev or w/e shit seems stressful. Just let me pvp in wildy

[zinc galleon]

ok but how about this: how many people do you think bought an inferno cape/quiver, forgot to parchcment it, and lost it in pvp

[brisk hill]

Returning customer!

[limber creek]

Trouver parchment alert plugin is pretty lit for this.

I bought 50 trouvers the day i completed my infernal lol and found that plugin.

[hasty shard]

remove trouver parchment plugin from runelite for enabling rwt users

[limber creek]

lmaooo

[true talon]

100%, but those depriving themselves from such an amazing self goal are basically doing it for the advantage of the cape (pvp)

[vivid ruin]

One could say people do it for bankstanding fashionscape and/or slayer too

[limber creek]

(pvm) too!

[true talon]

doesnt offer much of an advantage in pvm

its +4 str

[limber creek]

L take absolute bozo

[true talon]

1 max hit in pvp is absolutely massive compared to pvm

[vivid ruin]

Lol

My opinion is better than your opinion

[chrome lantern]

Yeah the ultor ring is basically the same thing as the berserker ring

/s

[limber creek]

I forget half the time that you just be sayin shit lmao.

[true talon]

yep, because the way they do str on gear is so weak

[chrome lantern]

+2 melee str was 3 maxhits on my arclight when I killed gorillas and cerb

[true talon]

yea because that wep has double scaling

[chrome lantern]

Yeah and?

The infernal cape wouldn't be significant in pvm?

[vivid ruin]

Its huge in pvm lol

[chrome lantern]

There's way more scaling in PvM than PvP

[true talon]

i mean you can run dps calcs from fire cape to infernal cape

the margin is very small

[chrome lantern]

Yes

It's the marginal increases all added together that makes them matter

[vivid ruin]

The difference between an inferno and fire cape can be the difference in mvping a room vs not

[true talon]

yes

but max hits in pvp are way more important

because the closer you get to hitting 99 the closer you are to just an instant 1 shot

[restive storm]

He’s a rage baiter just block cuz mods never actually do anything to control them

[vivid ruin]

Erm

[chrome lantern]

Everyone knows PvP is just oneshot the other person!!!

[limber creek]

Sorry sir i see the slurr he called you and where he told you to kiss your sister.
You have to make a mod mail if you dont like it. I can do nothing as a moderator about this issue. (type shit, i am not a mod)

[true talon]

Most the time it is....... brids all sit there on 90+ hp sipping brews between hits, untill they get a chance to go for an ags maul, or void waker ags, claw maul, d bow throwing axe, zcb throwing axe, catching the person off pray is how most people die.

[limber creek]

Yes i know of many pvmers that simply use mage arena 1 cape because mage arena 2 cape is such a small upgrade why would you even worry about it.

Dang almost as if attacking your opponent off pray is part of pking or something.

I know i like to spec on prayer and give them a chance!

Wouldn't wanna be to powerful.

[brisk hill]

I wonder if that’s why in BH you cant pray

[true talon]

basically yea, so people cant grief with overheads

[brisk hill]

“Grief”?

l00000l

[icy relic]

Reading this shit is like giving myself a lobotomy

[limber creek]

I've never saw someone so badly misunderstand the combat triangle as to call praying griefing.

If i flick smite on my hits and back to prayer on yours am i smite griefing you?

[true talon]

its the same 4 "rot" wanting some type of multi-activity or singles with no pj timer returned so they can gang up on people or mace them for +1s in multi.

[brisk hill]

It’s funny you think everyone in here advocating for pvp is RoT

[floral blaze]

[brisk hill]

That’s really really unfortunate & actually hilarious at the same time

[restive storm]

Idek are any of yall actually in rot? I know a1 is but he was only here for ten seconds

[vivid ruin]

Ive never seen rot in the wild tbh

And i go multi usually

[limber creek]

I'm not rot lol

[vivid ruin]

I see IF and VH most

[restive storm]

Put on an ely and walk around multi you’ll find them

[brisk hill]

Yes please

[limber creek]

I think teal is the only one of us that is lol?

[scarlet dawn]

Damn please dont associate me with rot thats the last thing someone would want

[true talon]

put on a heavy ballista skulled an walk around in multi, they will come mace you for it.

[icy relic]

Oh right you hate tob too because you have to play with others

It makes sense now

[vivid ruin]

Thats normally what im in

[limber creek]

Oh no rot maces.
Well duh why wouldn't they? lmao

[true talon]

tob is like my 2nd most played raid

[restive storm]

Hey guys you rather mace this dude and see if he’s got a +1 or wanna just sit lobbied for another 15 mins and see if we find anyone else?

[brisk hill]

Or, it’s a rival

& there’s a point to be made

PvP is fun

Try it sometime

[true talon]

indeed it is, and the current state of it is fine.

[restive storm]

Best we can do is whine that it’s too hard for pvmers

[limber creek]

Teals clan maces mine.
DO i seem like i hate him? lol

Its a game yall XD

[vivid ruin]

Can we remove mace from wild or is that an unhinged take

[true talon]

I dont hate any of you or pvp lol

[vivid ruin]

[brisk hill]

I think they’ve tried

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/swaying-hair-ludacris-what's-your-fantasy-song-look-at-my-hair-hair-sway-gif-11757537286889543572

[limber creek]

They removed bgs'ing already.

Leave macing alone.

[brisk hill]

Multi rev days there used to be a lot of mace teams

Wow, another branch of the ecosystem!

[true talon]

Im vibing while reading the pvp talk, while i kill these 20k frost dragons that jagex has deemed needed.

[restive storm]

“Hey guys what if we remove the one single defense that’s worked time and time again to spite 1 item raggers would that be good?”

[limber creek]

those drop rates are so bad lmao

or readd bgs'ing 😏

[brisk hill]

That’s actually a pretty good counterpoint!

Never thought of it that way

[true talon]

I will be partaking in the DMM for the cosmetics

[brisk hill]

Shit pures can mace each other in multi & you don’t even need to be coordinated lmfao

1 def & sitting low prayer in a multi fight get 2-3 ppl to dump it you never know lmfao

[limber creek]

Sara strike trip anyone?

[restive storm]

I still rewatch some of the cl videos of macing and bgsing those were heaters

[vivid ruin]

Why would they remove bgs and not mace lol

Why bgs

[limber creek]

Bgs was much more powerful lol

[brisk hill]

Bgs had a godsword spec attached to a mace weapon

Mace can’t hit that high

[limber creek]

You could do it with less people and it had insane accuracy.

But we have soulflame horn now too

[vivid ruin]

Ahh

Soulflame dwh?

[limber creek]

DWH only lowers defence.

[brisk hill]

You need a lot more ppl to hit now what you could hit then with lesss

That’s why i think it has stayed in the game

Jagex rewarding organized players 🙂

[vivid ruin]

I feel like some of this can be added to #did-you-know-tips

[limber creek]

it could also be added to #pvp

https://tenor.com/bgEkE.gif

[true talon]

Wasnt manked and that 1 asain guy in charge of pvp?

and manked did royal titans, not heard anything from him since

People who vote are werid, because they downvoted chivarly, but they voted in dead eye and mystic vigour (which are better than chivalry)

[chrome lantern]

That's an onversimplification

[true talon]

I mean the only reason those prayers passed, is because of ironmen

we dont care about chivalry but a free rigour/augury for mid game, sign us up lol

[brisk hill]

True tbh

[floral blaze]

Spite voting at its finest 😅

[icy relic]

Deadeye is so broken

I would use chiv if it drained like 15%s

[chrome lantern]

Mystic vigor is far better than Deadeye

Usually negligible difference to Augury

Helps with CG a lot more too

Augury still helps some places but with Shadow and when you don't need quite as much acc

It's very much nearly identical to Augury

[icy relic]

Augury good for freeze thresholds

Otherwise camp piss pyramid

[chrome lantern]

Mostly just saying there's actually use cases for Mystic vigor late game

Not really for deadeye after you get rigor

[true talon]

yep its insane how augury is not even a max hit most the time over vigour

[icy relic]

I camp deadeye for nylos

[true talon]

dead eye is good for content like revs, were you can camp it an only loss like 1 max hit vs rigour

[merry verge]

Isn't deadeye nice for afking venator bow slayer tasks tho?

Hmmmm, I don't know guys, you might be overselling Mystic Vigour a bit here, let me show you how current max mage shadow with avernic treads and confliction gauntlets dps on Verzik P2 for example looks like:

[limber creek]

We need piety 2. WIth 1% more damage and accuracy then piety.

[merry verge]

But obviously it really depends on scenarios, in ToA or CoX or saturated heart or whatever the certain % of magic gear setup u were is

This is max mage with salts on Warden P3, so here is a scenario where that 1% will grant the same max hit as Augury. Sure, in these scenarios Mystic Vigour is an upgrade in DPS over Mystic Might if you need to save prayer points in this scenario, so ye sure, situationally good, I guess that's about right 😄

[small anvil]

its like 2% and 3% magic dmg right

so like just depends where the break point for next dmg falls

[merry verge]

I'm thinking the same kind of situational use would be the goal for a tier 4 melee prayer as well, like upgrading Ultimate strength to 18% str and 18% attack without increasing prayer drain would let it be a situational nice uprade for prayer-conserving situations with melee, so a nice upgrade to get for everyone, not just early-mid-game noobs, pures, zerks, or fresh hardcores, but also nice for mains 🙂
I suggested such a prayer for melee as tier 4 here: https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1418045793746812989

[limber creek]

Not everything deserves a way to devalue something else automatically added for conveinancescape

[small anvil]

It being a 1 button prayer is nice

[true talon]

this is just chilvary renamed......

[limber creek]

homie thumbed up his own comment.

[true talon]

Wonder when they will try to sneak in chivarly again

Prob rename it this time, since people wotn know what it does

[merry verge]

No, Chivalry is a different prayer. It doesn't work with Steel skin, has 20% defence bonus included similar to the tier 5 prayers.

I am talking about a tier 4 prayer here, very different

[true talon]

no1 cares about the defense aspect of chivarly, they wanted 1 button melee like range/mage on a pure

[vivid ruin]

Doesnt chivalry have same drain rate as piety lol

[merry verge]

I think Chivalry doesn't need to be reworked, I think it can just be deleted upon unlocking Piety cuz it's a just same drain direct upgrade in all ways.

So Chivalry could be placeholder Piety, and when Piety is unlocked, it is an override upgrade to Chivalry.

[limber creek]

Oh so youd only use it if you limit yourself to only using it.

[true talon]

be nice if it was like the other prayer scrolls and replaced the weaker prayer when you consume it.

I dont think chiv is ever used, because most people grind out piety

[merry verge]

Chivalry is available for pures and mid-game account builds like zerks in lower brackets in Permanent Deadman world 45.

It's completely dysfunctional to use because it doesn't make the prayers work better together, it still forces the user to re-activate 2 prayers every time switching from melee to ranged/mage style because the defence is built-in in the chivalry and not in Mystic Vigour and Deadeye, so it really doesn't even work with those prayers well at all.

[true talon]

defense is built into dead eye and vigour

but defense on a pure doesnt matter

[merry verge]

Yes, YES, this is exactly what I'm saying for both the tier 4 melee prayer upgrade for Ultimate strength and the same should happen with chivalry upon unlocking Piety, Chivalry should be gone for good.
No more wasting prayer slots space, especially because we might get God Alignments or other prayers in the future, we don't want to clog the space and get small icons....

[chrome lantern]

This shouldn't really be an issue to begin with tbh, all the 5/10/15 attack/str prayers should just be combined into a single prayer to match ranged/magic

Just at a basic/fundamental level

It doesn't really make sense to have them separate

[merry verge]

No, only a 5%. You still really need to activate Steel skin with them 15% extra...

[true talon]

ya it should, they just tried to do it with chiv being the new prayer lol

[merry verge]

It really matters on voiders, zerkers, 50def moons pure etc. It also does help pures with magic defence, so still worth for magic def.

[true talon]

which no1 does, because the defense does not matter on a pure..... your chance to take damage rolls agaisnt your defense lvl first which is why people did risk fights in full gear but zamorak brewed down.

[chrome lantern]

All I'm saying is that the most logical and fundamental change to just make the prayer book make sense would be the best baseboard to work off for both players that want a single melee offensive prayer, and also for those that don't want to change Chivalry

[true talon]

They should combine the melee prays into a single one

and open up more space to add new prayers

[chrome lantern]

Not all three, to be clear, just the atk/str

Because the defensive prayers are activated alongside the range/mage ones as well

[hard axle]

Hear me out, we add super piety as 85 prayer and prayer scroll from new raid

[chrome lantern]

I thought of a joke thing to say in response to your message but then I realized I don't want anyone thinking it's a good idea

So I won't mention it

[vivid ruin]

I could be wrong but i dont think pures use chivalry. They usually aim for like 53 prayer or so

[chrome lantern]

They didn't, but now Deadeye and Mystic Vigor are valid for pures and are higher than that

[merry verge]

Well, u know that was what the Decimate, Annihilate and Vaporise prayers in Ruinous Prayerbook was gonna do. Tier 6 offensive prayers, big powercreeping, straight up upgrades.

But really, what's the point? I think 80+ prayers in the future should be more situational uses, or special prayers and add other power than just straight up DPS upgrades of Piety, Rigour and Augury

[narrow folio]

There are some niche strats that only use the single str prayers for the drain

[merry verge]

What are you referring to? Like afking Vyres with 5%, 10% or 15% str for longer afk time?

[narrow folio]

yes

so combining them with the prayer drain combined is a nerf to those

or like, at gemstone crab

[true talon]

Mega Rigour, Mega piety, Mega augury new prayer scrolls from raids 4

We did have a melee boosting prayer at 95 prayer 🙂

in the past

[chrome lantern]

In a different game

[true talon]

Turmoil was such a cool prayer and had a badass animation, might not work in todays 1 ticking meta lol

[narrow folio]

im hoping there will be a second ring slot which we can slot ring of the gods in so it would be meta to take prayer pressure off

[true talon]

You already know if we get a 2nd ring an its 1 utility ring an 1 dps ring, its gonna be light bearer + a dps ring of choice

[narrow folio]

yeaa

one ring slot for combat stats minus prayer, and one for everything else

[true talon]

Light bearer is just to strong to be a ring, shoulda been a prayer

or a blessing

[tacit wharf]

2nd ring slot but u lose 50% of the effect of that ring

[narrow folio]

that would be good

[true talon]

dont need to lose any effect from the 2nd ring

[narrow folio]

in return for no restriction?

besides not doubling up

[minor whale]

I do really hope raids 4 doesn't just add another mega rare 2h weapon

Give us some interesting mega rare slots now that's there's the big 3 filled out

[true talon]

I would think it would be a mega rare crush wep and it will be a crush raid, because right now we got a stab raid, slash raid and no crush raid

[tacit wharf]

that'd be the 2nd restriction, cant double up on rings , like no ultor and b-ring)

[winged mantle]

Me secretly hoping for a new melee combat style

[true talon]

If i had to guess, raids 4 will be a crush based raid with crush mega rare, crush armor set that uses inquistor to empower it and then maybe something else

[merry verge]

No, you misunderstood. Nobody ever suggested a doubling of the prayer drain for combining 5% attk and 5% str prayers. They should match magic and ranged prayers, still the same drain as the individual 5% str.

So it is essentially a buff because you get the extra 5%/10%/15% attack included in the strength 5%/10%/15% you would normally use, a buff in accuracy. Doesn't matter versus low defence, but in some cases it is a nice buff.

[narrow folio]

ohhh

[minor whale]

What if it just took whatever the higher number is on any stat and that's all it gave you
So +8 from b ring and +12 from Ultor, it simply sees +12 and gives that
But +12 from Ultor and +6 from Bellator and +20 slash from Bellator gives +12 str (the higher of 2 stats) and +20 slash

[narrow folio]

i think part of the reason it hasnt been changed is that "it's old school and nostalgic"

if prayer came out today it would be combined for sure

[true talon]

They tried but it got downvoted each time

[merry verge]

Yeah, prayerbook has barely been touched. It hasn't had it's "Project rebalance/rework" yet to modernize it

[merry verge]

yeah, as was shown with the Ruinous Prayers. 20%attk and 20% str prayers in Ruinous Prayers were first suggested as seperate prayers to match the old.

But they polled a question to combine them, which did indeed pass the poll, so "Ancient Strength" ended up being 20%attk + 20% str with same drain as the single ones were suggested.

[narrow folio]

ah

[minor whale]

Prayer is generally a bit of a mess to work with
It's extremely balanced as is so any work has to be perfect

[merry verge]

Once again, I would like to link to the suggestion I made here about this:
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1418045793746812989

This has all been thoroughly covered and elaborated on, it's a very thought-through suggestion and discussions elaborate even further:

But all in all, this is why I ended up suggesting a similar but balanced for normal prayerbook mid-game tier 4 prayer being inspired by exactly this Ancient Strength from Ruinous Powers prayerbook.

[hard axle]

No no no no no, that would’ve been even more disgusting, especially if you could stack with offensive and protection prayers.

LB right now forces you to give up dps at least.

[hard axle]

Mega piety is the only one that deserves to exist because melee is inherently more restricted.

[icy relic]

LB is just overtuned in general

[minor whale]

Melee, when applicable, should always have the most dps

[icy relic]

Unbelievably stronger than the ring of vigor it was based off

[minor whale]

It requires the most positioning and you lose so much dps by not being in the right spot to attack

[obsidian venture]

People sleep on this

[rigid sonnet]

New prayer called oxidation that allows you to one shot any iron. Works even outside of wildy

[icy relic]

OS is not as much of a melee-hating game compared to stuff like WoW

You don't really have to worry about cleaves, not that many fights where melee tiles are getting ragged, not many situations where you have to run debuffs out or drop puddles at the back of the room

[merry verge]

But melee already has the higher damage to make up for the less range.

It also has Blood Fury which is crazy strong.

Here are current max hits in max outside of raids on a large NPC. I don't think giving any % boost to melee from prayer is quite what melee needs atm 😛

[narrow folio]

id rather all styles get the same boost at once to avoid some single style meta popping up

[true talon]

Next necklace upgrade is either gonna be for occult or anguish

im banking on anguish to match the other zenytes

[analog crow]

New megarare is a new bis blessing with +6 prayer bonus

[narrow folio]

id love that as a common reward

[analog crow]

Diary reward being bis is kinda

[narrow folio]

akin to the thread, not a purple tho

[minor whale]

Yeah I hope we get some interesting stuff

[true talon]

We need a dark beast slayer boss

[winged mantle]

Surely it's a dwarf handcannon

😂

[merry verge]

I feel like Occult would make more sense, the old 800k BIS mage necklace is so due for an upgrade

[true talon]

dark beasts are awful to kill

[minor whale]

I think Lightbearer, despite being really really really strong for how common it is, was really interesting

It wasn't just dps

It's dps but not flat number go up

[true talon]

Woulda said its occult, but tormented just got its upgrade with doom.

so i suspect next one is a range upgrade to anguish

[analog crow]

[[Sotetseg]], except it doesn't count for some reason

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Sotetseg

[minor whale]

I think we'll see Anguish 2 for sure

[winged mantle]

From a raid?

Doubt

[merry verge]

Ranged just got a +3 ranged strength buff with Avernic Treads tho, I think magic is what is most due for more magic str increase

[true talon]

Fair

[winged mantle]

No raids have given amulet slots

[true talon]

I didnt mean from a raid

[minor whale]

I mean sure, but before ToA no raid gave ring slot items either

[true talon]

i meant next amulet upgrade will be a range one

[analog crow]

Magic will not get new bis items until shadow rework

[winged mantle]

Ah i get you tas

[minor whale]

Yup, Jagex outright said they won't do mage upgrades until Shadow rework

[true talon]

Next cape wil be magic 😛

[minor whale]

I hope that's coming soon

[analog crow]

Soon™

[true talon]

I think a mage based inferno/colo would be cool

just what shadow needs to not be 900m

[merry verge]

Yeah if they can think of more alternative ways to increase power situationally like that, that's quite cool. There are many ways new prayers could do different situational power-up-upgrades that are not flat DPS increases too

[winged mantle]

I think a spice mega/ addition would either be a completely new combat style for melee or a hybrid weapon (crush + stab for example)

[true talon]

will never happen, they are already trying to cut down on hybrid weps

thats how we got our best crush weps being slash weps

[winged mantle]

Never say never

[true talon]

I dont think hybrid style weps are good for the game

[narrow folio]

cut down, slash,

[hard axle]

Don’t be dense please

Not everything is 0 defense and melee scales the worst when shit has defense.

Especially since they started capping defense reduction

[narrow folio]

and ask yourself why they capped it? scythe

[hard axle]

Exactly

[merry verge]

I think a shadow rework to make shadow a bit less reliant on gear, but still gets good dps upgrade with gear upgrades is what Shadow needs to go to 1,3-1,5b ish. They might figure this scaling out.

[hard axle]

No because people were complaining about reduce to 0 being boring, dumbass

[narrow folio]

has the effect of making scythe too insane

[analog crow]

I can't believe robospear scared jagex so much they excluded blue moon from the confiction passive...

[hard axle]

You act like pre nerf BP and tbow weren’t the main offenders

[true talon]

they are aware of the problems shadow scaling is causing when designing gear

[narrow folio]

what

[merry verge]

ye, a mage cape that's really difficult to get, hopefully more difficult than inferno is now, more similar in difficulty to what inferno was when it was released, ahh nobody manages to complete for days/week(s)? I can dig that! Hype!

[hard axle]

Even back then when they started capping it, scythe wasn’t the biggest offender lmao

[true talon]

shadow will be reworked to not be reliant on gear

[narrow folio]

now scythe is

[hard axle]

Again, it isn’t

Scythe has so many levers you can pull

[analog crow]

It joke
confliction only works on 1 hand staves to not buff shadow

[hard axle]

Size, slash defense, defense, defense caps, reflect based on damage splats, etc.

[true talon]

they been buffing scythe to not need defense reduction for awhile now

[narrow folio]

like why would they cap reduction on araxxor if they werent scared of scythe

[true talon]

flat +15 buff, bellator, oathplate

[hard axle]

At the cost of not achieving the 14 dps and closer to 9-10 instead

14 dps is 0 defense, torva, ultor, which you rarely see

[narrow folio]

gap between scythe and other weapons where it's good is way bigger than the other styles

[true talon]

Main way to hurt scythe is make the mob 1 or 2 tiles lol

if its 1 tile its worst han a norma whip

[hard axle]

Exactly

[true talon]

2 tiles its about as good as sra

[narrow folio]

and the gap grows with more reduction

[hard axle]

Which is capped

[narrow folio]

1 or 2 tile bosses would still look a little weird

[hard axle]

like Christ

When you do use math, you use it in an unrealistic manner and claim it as fact

[merry verge]

That is true for absolute max gear scythe, but Soulreaper axe isn't crazy far behind scythe in many setups. And Saeldor+Avernic/NoxHally not too far behind SRA in many gear setups

[narrow folio]

another thing is inquisitors bonus buff recently only applied to mace just to exclude scythe

[true talon]

Eye kinda cracked

[narrow folio]

soulreapers gimmick is a hidden dps hit

but yes I see what you mean

[true talon]

he forgot to set the boss to 500 but even then it still beat tbow

[narrow folio]

if it had no gimmick then that would be true

[merry verge]

Woah, what, is Eye better DPS than Tbow on P3 Warden??

[true talon]

yea

[merry verge]

let me panic sell tbow right now and get me max mage

[narrow folio]

u happen to include reduction on one but not the other?

[true talon]

Think he double checked wqith gear scape and correct raid lvl

[narrow folio]

cause that doesnt seem right

[true talon]

he didnt use reduction, because he uses ZCB to spec

[narrow folio]

amethyst?

[true talon]

that 1 he was using his ironman setup lol

because hes 94 purples dry of a shadow

and was wondering if eye was better or as good dps as tbow

[narrow folio]

what happens if its a 400?

[true talon]

dunno, but he said its as good as tbow with d arrows, slightly worst.

but you know d arrows on ironman are a luxury

Biggest gain was the eye absolutely wrecks the p2 ward and the obelisk

[narrow folio]

does using lb vs magus for more zcb affect this

[hasty shard]

really big spider boss where you attack one leg at a time

[true talon]

Tnhink he brings switch lb and ultor/magus

since you can now bank items after the rooms

[vivid ruin]

Not another spider 😭

[merry verge]

I think he made mistakes, I checked with Gearscape now and Tbow + Max range (without ring, assuming lightbearer cuz venator doesn't give max hit anyway)
versus
Eye with max mage

Both salted etc.. Tbow 9.79, Eye 7.46 without specs.

[narrow folio]

if u assume eye specs and no bgs, eye will beat tbow slightly

[hard axle]

Also, just fyi, whoever mentioned Araxxor, meta is basically no maul

Especially if you alt

[narrow folio]

because they capped it to avoid scythe dominating too much 😂

[hard axle]

Not even that

if you are down with a 5% dps loss, you camp Torva

And then Dinhs Araxxor to kill the melee one when it gets close

Or you bring Dinhs Torva switch to not lose time on melee

[merry verge]

Eye spec of 33 will get Eye to 8.78 DPS.
There seems to be a cap to how much eye spec can reduce it tho (ye it only has +20 magic def bonus, so 20 is the cap reduction for Eye)

[true talon]

maybe you messed up, because that dps seems low

[narrow folio]

Correct

[merry verge]

500 raid level, path level 2, party size 3
in this case

[limber creek]

1t tele delay below 30 wilderness
Multi revs
Move zombie pirates north.
Revitalize the wilderness by reinstating our ecosystem.

365 days over 30 day game modes in updates.

I don't care if timmys bis is an adamant scimitar right now, you dont have to add a 35 attack weapon for him to swap to for sake of smoothing his progression.

[hasty shard]

i used bclaws cause it lets you get into cycle to lure rax really easily

[true talon]

ya he messed up somewhere, i dunno how he got it have max hit of 54?

[narrow folio]

id think eye falls off faster than bow

[limber creek]

Not being able to make the connection between what i said and your want of an easier prayer is so funny.

[true talon]

Maybe he had a thing that multiplied all mage damage by x4 instead of x3

only way i can see eye hitting 54s

[zinc galleon]

Bro the adamant scim line has me rolling 🤣🤣🤣

[limber creek]

Homie clogging up every channel bout his new chivalry for pures. just do the quest bro its right there.

you know what aint right there?

[restive storm]

Bro I gotta watch my step some guy called me a degenerate like fifteen times so i asked him to pls stop being so toxic and i got a warning

[limber creek]

They be flingin them things.

[true talon]

I am confused about all this mid/low filler gear, because you out grow it so fast.

[limber creek]

Its just another step to ironscape brother.

[analog crow]

Since we are only talking about these things in forums where everyone puts in 1000s of hours into the game, there is a big chance that we just don't know what the average player is working with or how long they spend in xyz level bracket

[true talon]

i mean youll be 35 attack for like 1 quest lmao

[analog crow]

but jagex has these numbers

[true talon]

most irons dont even train melee, they quest an get like 50 attack

[tender harness]

multi revs isn't going to save pvp
people who think going backwards will somehow save the wildy are on some serious
zombie pirates is bad content
like brutally honest jagex has no idea what they want the wilderness to be at this point, other than its the same small groups of people engaging in pking, same bots, and same people avoiding

[true talon]

i mean doing waterfall and tree gnome village puts you at like 46 attack

[analog crow]

yeah but unless you're making an alt you don't follow that path I'm sure

[restive storm]

At anyone except the actual rage baiters smh

[limber creek]

ecosystem revival regardless of multi revs would unironically.
Its going forward because we've saw what single revs does and it helps noone but bots.
Zombie pirates is bad content because its infested by level 80 bots that can't be killed nonstop by pkers to promote its own ecosystem. For some pures its worth going.

[limber creek]

well when its important people they're obviously a tad overzealous to do nothing and deny wrongdoing.

[restive storm]

Multi revs 100% would be better for activity levels than we have rn and it isn’t close

[tender harness]

multi revs would probably bring more activity to the wildy sure. nobody denies that. but its not the silver bullet that will save wilderness that people claims it to be either. all for getting more people engaged but that isn't the only solution.

[zinc galleon]

I don’t find it that hard to kill the lvl 70-80s at zombies, it’s just not a fun or interesting place, because no one else is pking there because it’s not worth the time and hassle

[restive storm]

Silver bullet is removal of pj timer

https://tenor.com/view/smackdown-wwe-bobby-roode-gif-9554280

[limber creek]

make it high enough level for me to attack them personally 😏

[restive storm]

I think it’s exclusively that hopping there is the worst designed thing in the Wildy (somehow worse than escape caves, an impressive feat!)

[limber creek]

its better to shoot and miss than to ignore an entire community that have been begging for years.

[limber creek]

it is super terrible to hop at. But it does combat 1t teleport bots LOL

[tender harness]

I dont disagree. I dont like current wildy and ive done enough of it. I dont pvp barrier to entry feels too high and I never enjoyed pvp that much in general. but I would still want to see wildy actually be good. the design of wilderness just is so genuinely aimless that I dont think they have any idea what to do. because people dont want to get pkd. you dont want to allienate pvpers, and you have a systemtic botting problem in the wildy

[limber creek]

I appreciate your view but if i can cherry pick i have to say that the mainland is just as botted. You just need to know where to look.
Making content around whether bots will abuse it or not needs to go both ways if we're going to continue that parroted viewpoint i hear so often. At least you can kill wilderness bots and interrupt their profit.

[restive storm]

Idk, may require something like a specific item to be worn or in inventory to turn monsters aggressive, so pkers can hop with less hassle, but also increases the reward by a lot if you have said item

[limber creek]

And theyre good practicing for 1t'ing lol.

[tender harness]

not denying pvm in general isn't botted because it is. but theres a difference between trying to find a boss world in wildy that isn't actively botted vs just doing instanced pvm content. you dont interact or see much of the bots

[limber creek]

put it high enough wilderness for max combat players to attack the bots and i wont care then either but this is a good idea for up there as well

[hard axle]

Because people are just avoiding other content and seal clapping when it comes from far easier content and covers 90% of the thing they’re trying to avoid

[limber creek]

I can see this too for sure.

Wildy bosses are mostly a travesty and utter shitshow lol. And have been since release.

[true talon]

Feel like most gear below 40 is pretty useless

as many quests get you to 40 lol

[limber creek]

do quest lol yep exactly

[tender harness]

like even voidwaker is down to like uhh what 40m? 50m? some where in there

[velvet acorn]

An opt in/ opt out wilderness pvp would honestly solve so much if you attach just a tiny benefit to opting in. Then after that they can go crazy on what is and isn't allowed when opting in and arent tied down by trying to be fair to irons and what not.

[true talon]

22m?

[hard axle]

“I ShOuldnt HaVe To QuEsT”

people have said that

Lmao

[limber creek]

This is ironscape at its finest. No.

Skull prevention was the first step to opt in wilderness. We gotta stop it somewhere.

[true talon]

Nvm that was something else

They can fix voidwaker by making the pieces untradeable

[vivid ruin]

If you opt out of pvp, dont go into wilderness. Its that simple

Otherwise you make bank at no risk

[tender harness]

could just start tying the actual money in wildy to like hard/elite diaries to cut down on bots (or slow them down)

[true talon]

i mean you dont have to, but be prepared to spend 6 hours training at low lvls in which a 10 minute quest coulda saved you.

[hard axle]

Instanced content is a both a blessing and a curse

[velvet acorn]

They already cater to irons and arent going to stop

[hard axle]

Yeah and those guys want to be rewarded for a lv30 content

[limber creek]

slow them down exactly yes.

[tender harness]

the current diary reqs for wildy that gate stuff though are like. way too low

[limber creek]

Also true but we gotta foot down somewhere lmao. Its the wilderness your account doesnt need a voidwaker or rev weapons if you dont want to go.

[vivid ruin]

Irons should simply have their own servers

With their own rules

[limber creek]

They should be muted too.

[true talon]

we do have one, we cant interact with your side and we have our rules of cant trade

so what else you want to say?

[vivid ruin]

Yes you can lol

[limber creek]

You should be muted too.

[minor whale]

It's as dumb to say that as it is to say Wildy should be opt-in pvp

[vivid ruin]

You can drop your stuff to other accs. Your vote also matters in polls

[true talon]

you can entity hide people with ironmen helms, but then youd have no1 to pk.

[vivid ruin]

No it makes sense. Ironscape is solo play, main game is main game.

[minor whale]

Just saying dumb shit for the sake of dumb shit all day in this channel from both sides it's the worst lmao

[tender harness]

irons had to get that sarachnis discount

😭

[true talon]

The problem with no instanced bosses, is the bots make it impossible to find a world

imagine trying to find a zulrah, vorath, god wars, ect world lol

[limber creek]

no1? lol

🏃🏻‍♂️

[vivid ruin]

If i find bots farming bosses, i use them for faster kills

[true talon]

thats only in multi places and wilderness

[limber creek]

Exactly.

[true talon]

Opt in PVP would be dead, because no1 would do it lol

we already have opt in pvp which is pvp worlds lol

I dont think its right for people to want the rewards of the wildy, with none of the risk.

thats just dumb

The wildy should be more rewarding than some of the safer pvm content of the game, due to the risk.

[true talon]

Like i really like wildy agility, because it addds spice to an otherwise garbage skill. you are making money every lap and your on edge awaiting to be attacked at any moment in which youll need to escape.

sure beats running rooftops

Because its so dangerous, it should be like 80k+ exp an hour

I dont get why the methods of the wildy are not better than standard safer methods and why the money makers are often way less.

[hard axle]

Wish it was multi-

[true talon]

i dont support multi due to you know cartel behaviors, you cant have something be good and multi.....

Also why is one of the most dangerous bosses (scorpia) have some of the worst drops/gp and is also one of the annoying mechanics with their healers.

[hard axle]

Up to 3 people can hit you

make it so up to 3 people can hit you*

[merry verge]

You are obviously trolling, ragebaiting and strawmanning and completely making 0 sensical arguments. You're not interested in reasoning, balancing or improving the game, you're not interested in developing the game.
Calling a mid-game tier prayer an "easier" prayer shows a complete lack of understanding of OSRS progression, balancing, Deadman world brackets, PvP builds and more, which I don't even need to mention...

You are only interested in 10v1ing people in wildy to make gp. You don't want zerks/voiders to get stronger in any way because you you have a med/main with piety, so you only care about your build being stronger than anyone elses.

You won't even read this because you don't really care what I have to say or anyone else, because you only seek to agree with yourself and your own mind.

Anyway, if you really have some kind of issue or beef with me for whatever reason, let's say we take it 1v1? Make whatever setup u want in the Duel arena world, lmk when ready, we can play Med/Main mode, Zerker mode or pure mode, I will wipe the arena floor with you.:)

[fresh forge]

This server needs a pvp chat

[merry verge]

I chose to only respond with troll emooji to react on your trolling and ragebaiting, but now this guy has blocked me so I can no longer use emooji reactions on his messages... Let it be known.

[restive storm]

I mean he’s kinda right in the sense that we may content that doesn’t make any sense and scales too high which is now why scurrius is bis melee training from like lvl 20-75 lmao

[fresh forge]

Re wilderness agility xp rates: Because stuff gets polled and efficiencyscapers don’t want to have to PvP for the best method

[restive storm]

Yeah, kinda lame we can’t get cool Wildy skilling methods cuz sweats scream about ehp

[restive storm]

1 method poggies

[merry verge]

that's untrue for thieving

[merry verge]

so why talk if u not talking real

[restive storm]

Because we’ve gotten 1 method like that added in ten years and idk if they actually even put the correct rates as polled otherwise it woulda got shot down lol

Meanwhile look at resource area or Wildy agil rates and they’re ass

[minor whale]

47-62 it's actually best XP rates, it's just after 62 Sepulchre becomes better because it's actually not brainless content

[limber creek]

i think wildy agility is great in singles

[limber creek]

Yeah official account builds. Such as main which get to use everything if we earn it.
Your limitations you subject yourself to are just that.
If i sit and complain i cant be a main without a bank do you think they'll make a Ultimatenormalman account mode for me? Or ill get called silly and have to just do it myself via self made restrictions.

[analog crow]

If wildy agility was multi, ppl would just go with an fc, and anyone trying to pk there would be met with 10 dbow specs instantly

[limber creek]

that sounds like some fun 😏

[analog crow]

Tfw you wanted to pk some agility runners but instead you just get maced the same tick you step off the bridge

[merry verge]

What do you mean my limitations are my own and I subject myself to it?
Are you not aware of there being official combat brackets in both w45 (Permanent Deadman) and now in the upcoming seasonal tournament as well, there are combat brackets and finales for each bracket?

The lower combat brackets cannot get Piety because of 70defence requirement....

[hard axle]

I think it's too safe

[limber creek]

Sounds like an even playing field to me 🔥

[limber creek]

Probably is lol

[merry verge]

Yes, but that's not the main argument for fixing the prayers

In some cases, higher prayers will lure pures/voiders/zerkers to get higher combat level which makes them more susceptible to be bullied by Meds/mains, depending on where in wildy they are. So it's not always just a good thing for the lower defence account builds...

[restive storm]

Revert revs to multi, revert pj timer, add -500 xp lamp (1 time use), fix the escape caves (prob just delete), let us hop at zombie pirates + move it up ten levels, make changes to the resource area to make it not worse than out of Wildy areas, and PLEASE stop asking streamers for all their wonderful ideas for the Wildy cuz that’s mostly why it’s so awful rn

[brisk hill]

My bad

[brisk hill]

I think it’s 2 cb lvls for most relevant builds

If I remember correctly

Yeah because you can 75 atk maxed with 75 prayer & be 90 cb

[limber creek]

2 combat levels ruins his build though bro!

[brisk hill]

I think “lure” is the only reason I commented btw I know I’m just typing nothing burgers atm. Main point is idk how much it would effect rly 👍

I think most pures got the higher prayer lvl cause it was the first bit of content they had gotten since being able to get wrath runes on an iron pure

[restive storm]

Thank GOD I could get 63 pray on my 60 atk and even with 3 def im still 84 cb

[brisk hill]

well said! the wilderness used to be like this until recently!

[brisk hill]

3 def hmm? i see why you are pushing negative lamps

tbf, i would use it on 1 of my accs. im 26 def on it from poking too many times w/ dspear. id go back to 25 if i could

[restive storm]

Ongod we need em BAD

BIG Gmaul on some pony back in like 2016 and back then it didn’t really matter so never remade

Then subsequently maxed the entire account then they brought out pure high scores

[brisk hill]

3 def trophy 😭

do the 2 extra total lvls at least give you anything by chance?

[restive storm]

Absolutely 0

It’s like 2205 total or somethin stupid

[limber creek]

make the lamps a megarare from multi revs and make their alch price 250m

/ s

[restive storm]

I’m totally fine with that

[limber creek]

raids 4 megarare

[restive storm]

Make them super annoying to get I don’t mind

[limber creek]

power decreep lets go

now we're talkin

[restive storm]

I’d turn into port khaz2.0

I’m not opposed to playing the game but when there’s no reason to why would I

[merry verge]

Jeez, can you please stop with this harassing? I wasn't even talking about "my build", you're just trying to make fun of me or throw out negative sarcasm here, ur not even reading or trying to understand what I'm typing, which is very obvious seeing what ur typing...

[restive storm]

-xp lamp thread I was in got deleted cuz I got too much motion… I feel the repoll coming

I will not be denied

[merry verge]

That's actually sick tho, 60att pures can choose to max out their 84cmb to either go 3def or 67prayer. I think the 3 def is really cool, might be meta too for that slight increase in def

[tacit wharf]

imagine thinking it got deleted

it got closed broski

like all dupe posts

[restive storm]

Right cuz it got too much motion

[tacit wharf]

cuz it was a dupe post

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-photos-photographer-good-vibes-cool-moves-dancing-gif-13429007

[brisk hill]

making waves

man pvp is being talked about and folks do not like it

[limber creek]

Its okay theyll learn to accept us one day.

We are valid king.

[brisk hill]

i just want folks to talk about pvp idc 👍

[restive storm]

The noobs are NOT happy and are now asking for us to have our own space as well

[brisk hill]

its apart of the game is literally the reason we are here

[tacit wharf]

i mean it could be the fact, some of you's are just annoying

[brisk hill]

call them out fella

let them know fr

[restive storm]

As if we’re the only annoying ones in this disc 🙄

When I had to endure bird house speedruncord earlier

As if anyone could possibly care any less about that

[limber creek]

Energy gets met with energy brother.

ive made friends here since i came its a cool place.

[merry verge]

Haha ye I do wish these brothas would come on a bit less strong and bold, they give us other gentlemen pkers a bad rep 🙁

[brisk hill]

i think there is common ground to be made with a lot of ppl

[tacit wharf]

dont dispute that

but to be annoying makes me care less of yr plits

[restive storm]

There’s some people that are fine and reasonable, some it’s their life’s goal to try and piss off pvpers as much as possible

[brisk hill]

do you find talking about pvp annoying or is it rly just the content of ones attitude

[tacit wharf]

as one who use to multi pk all the time, the latter

[restive storm]

This goes both ways too tbf, when someone says “I just don’t like PvP so I vote no and hope you quit” you can’t expect us to keep talking to em lol

[brisk hill]

thats good to know

there are some who are just anti-pvp & dont want to hear/see it

it seems like the majoirty these days

[small anvil]

i understand why but like some of the newer to this server pvpers chatting here kinda have a super tribal if you dont agree you're one of the babies who wants pvp removed attitude

[restive storm]

Esp when someone calls me a degen like fifteen times in a row without clarifying why they don’t like any of my ideas

It really all that fun to be a part of that chat

[small anvil]

and like there's room for more nuance than that

[brisk hill]

& thats a good perspective to hear

[nocturne solstice]

A lot of the new pvpers that joined here have been super toxic so im not surprised.

[small anvil]

like yall have your guard up from the nonsense people that you dont hear the relatively reasonable takes

[brisk hill]

its really just the 3 of us who type about it

[restive storm]

I think this is why having a seperate pvp chat is so important btw, it’s so annoying trying to have nuanced conversations and all of a sudden we’re being spammed with birdhouse run clips

[brisk hill]

so maybe having a 1 on 1 would be hlpeful

[nocturne solstice]

I think there was 5 that joined and decided to just take over game-update then try to spill over into the other channels and just make it all about pvp

[tacit wharf]

2, as the other has alread been blocked

[small anvil]

for new people it also gets kinda hard to distinguish who's been saying nonsense and who has room to discuss nuance

[restive storm]

I got called a degen like ten times earlier, then asked them to please tone it down and I got reported for it

[nocturne solstice]

Im not surprised since you've been spamming your list in chat across channels.

[limber creek]

I feel the more we interact here the people i originally thought had that take have changed via seeing conversations.
Its not like people aren't being receptive to conversations.
People with off energy are met right back with it though.

[restive storm]

Man we’re just trying to talk about the game we play and this is the only place we can do it lol

[nocturne solstice]

Thats not really true now is it.

[small anvil]

(this also applies to others seeing the new pvp chatters as a single unit when they're individual people too)

[restive storm]

In this discord? Yeah it pretty much is

[tacit wharf]

squinttz, youve been baiting since sailing server's been shut down

[small anvil]

squintz hasnt been baiting

[nocturne solstice]

He has

[restive storm]

Huh?

[nocturne solstice]

Aforementioned list spam in chat

[small anvil]

they have a pov they believe strongly

[brisk hill]

the spam isnt baiting tbf

[limber creek]

squintz has very valid opinions. He cant post something for visibility in a 250k person discord?

[nocturne solstice]

That has nothing to do with if someone is baiting or not. You can have beliefs and still be baiting.

[small anvil]

they've talked about pj timer being bad for like legit months

[nocturne solstice]

Well if the spam is to trigger a reaction then yeah its bait.

[small anvil]

i talked to them like ~6 months ago or smth

[restive storm]

That’s not bait that’s just keeping a list of points we’ve been trying to discuss lol

[small anvil]

re pj timer

[limber creek]

since we dont have our own channel to pin it or something

[restive storm]

If you haven’t noticed the list keeps getting additions and tweaked the more we talk

[small anvil]

and i felt more educated after the discussion

[nocturne solstice]

Who is "we" and why does it need to be spammed? Normally people "keep a list" somewhere more permanent

[narrow folio]

doesnt give the right to bait the spam everywhere

[nocturne solstice]

not by spamming in several different channels

[small anvil]

since when is that bait lmao

[restive storm]

Would love a permanent place to give it a home tbf

[narrow folio]

spamming it baits arguments about it

[small anvil]

was people spamming "mod north retire" bait?

[nocturne solstice]

Like you know, making a thread in #1022203837265756231 then updating it as you have more additions to the list.

[small anvil]

is someone having a pet issue they bring up bait?

[brisk hill]

discourse is good for change though, i would argue

[small anvil]

is tass breaking the rules every time they bring up dragon arrows on irons?

[brisk hill]

especially something polarizing like pvp

[restive storm]

I can’t make dupe threads in there, and there’s all these ideas under ten different threads already

[brisk hill]

i agree, if you are trying to get a reaction, oki not good.

[restive storm]

So kinda hard to keep track in ten different places

[nocturne solstice]

Is that you admitting you already have a list made in game suggestions so you're just spamming it now in chat channels?

[restive storm]

Not at all spamming it either

[nocturne solstice]

Cause why would it be a dupe otherwise

[small anvil]

calling things "bait" (basically saying that they're breaking the rules) is like a HUGE accusation on this server

given the rules against baiting

[nocturne solstice]

Its really not, thats why its a should not and not a must not.

[small anvil]

have these people been told to stop spamming a list?

[nocturne solstice]

A must not would be a Huge accusation since that would be a ban.

[small anvil]

people get strikes for "should not" no?

[restive storm]

No I’m saying they’re all other peoples ideas and threads and stuff in different threads, so if I congregate them all it’ll just be deleted as a “dupe” of all those other threads people have for different ideas

[small anvil]

and 3 of those (that dont decay) equals ban

[nocturne solstice]

Correct, a strike is not "Huge"

You can basically see it as a warning.

[small anvil]

1/3 of a ban is a hefty accusation

excuse me for not distinguishing between hefty and huge

[winged mantle]

If only there was a dedicated space to chat about pvp and the wilderness

[nocturne solstice]

Is it? because from my experience here a lot of people would want us to immediately ban people instead

[restive storm]

But yeah idk saying I’ve been baiting is kinda wild

Unless we’re talking rev cave baiting which I won’t argue I do

[limber creek]

Thank you ellie!

[small anvil]

calling people having a pet issue they wanna discuss baiting is kinda crazy imo

[nocturne solstice]

Do you have any reason to believe this or are you just saying that so you wont make a thread and to justify continuing to spam in chat channels?

[small anvil]

Nate likes to post the same screenshots and same issues over and over too I recall

[brisk hill]

i mean people are bound to get upset, its a polarizing topic

[nocturne solstice]

Do you mean like, real animal pets or are you talking about small issues?

[restive storm]

Cuz the one I was talking in earlier also got deleted

[small anvil]

Is it the subject matter of the suggestions that makes it "bait"?

[limber creek]

is this baiting?

[small anvil]

pet issue as in one they are passionate about

[nocturne solstice]

It was obviously a dupe that was also linked in the thread.

[small anvil]

thats very common usage of the phrase =/

[nocturne solstice]

Nah what Squinttz did that would make it go from a topic of personal interest to baiting is the spamming across several channels.

Spamming is, also what you would call a "huge" issue since its also against the rules.

[small anvil]

that's spamming at worst, not bait

[nocturne solstice]

Bait and spam are both should nots

They are the same level

[restive storm]

Idk I got copy pasta spammed like 10x in old school earlier and nobody said anything about it

And it was only one person lol

[narrow folio]

if you get copy pasta spammed, report it

[brisk hill]

this is me rn tbf

[narrow folio]

doesn't mean spamming is ok though

[restive storm]

Don’t wanna spam modmail I already got a complaint in there

Of harassment

[nocturne solstice]

Would you rather I immediate strike and give you a timeout or just give you a chat and opportunity here to discuss things?

[brisk hill]

prepping for the soon pvp channel

[vivid ruin]

[nocturne solstice]

Because this is the chat, you can share your side of the story and how you feel about things.

[small anvil]

People have posted the same thing to multiple channels before

and not been accused of spam

[nocturne solstice]

Rather than I just timeout and strike and you get no say

[small anvil]

like this really just reeks of not liking the content

[restive storm]

Right, and that’s what I been saying I just am looking for a place to have these kind of conversations

[small anvil]

rather than the actual behavior being per se against the rules

[brisk hill]

could you do me a favor and see if i have a strike? i was timed out the other day & i am curious

[restive storm]

But we don’t have a place to put it

[nocturne solstice]

The "But X did this so its okay" is not an acceptable excuse in school or the real world.

[small anvil]

It's a pattern of accepted behavior

[narrow folio]

no it isn't

[nocturne solstice]

Thats not what you've been saying, you've been spamming changes you want to the wildy.

You wanting a pvp channel is like, a whole other can of worms thats unrelated to the list of updates "we" want for the wildy.

[small anvil]

It is relevant if it is evidence of selective enforcement

[ember token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249064275859996705/1440544617786511400/scong2.gif

[small anvil]

based on the content of the message or who says it

[nocturne solstice]

Im not allowed to discuss that stuff publicly but contact modmail

if you want to share it after thats none of my business

[brisk hill]

np

[narrow folio]

You can bring up your complaint of "selective enforcement" with proof to modmail and keep in mind just because it's happened could mean it wasn't reported or noticed

[small anvil]

Didnt plinx repeat some phrases re: trawling not long ago? asking for specific fixes

[nocturne solstice]

You assume there's some sort of favourites list where people spam and it doesnt get enforced? Wouldnt Squinttz be on that list since he doesnt have a strike from doing it earlier?

Mods arent on 24/7, we're not AI

Things get through

[small anvil]

lol what, you guys can obviously have people you like or dislike

without having a list

[nocturne solstice]

What is your accusation exactly?

[merry verge]

Brother let me suggest this to you, if you are so interested in this:
Make a "PvP Improvements #Megathread" with a list of things that need improvements and fixes and suggestions for how and whatnot.

I hope you will try to find middleground on the points tho, don't try to argue rev caves to become multi as Jagex literally just said they won't do that on the podcast, but u can suggest a revenant multi cave underneath, a deeper layer of rev caves for example. Middle ground. Otherwise u will get too nuch downvotes etc..

Give and take. Compromise. Edit and improve the post as new arguments and better ideas win in discussion.

If you can do this without too much pushing your own agenda for your own sake, and take into consideration what are actually good changes for the game as a whole and integrity and so on and so fourth, I think this can be great 🙂

[small anvil]

without people having a strike

[nocturne solstice]

Mods are not allowed to like or dislike people?

[small anvil]

Trying to say that you can't possibly be selectively enforcing rules because someone doesn't already have a strike is like... nonsense

[restive storm]

I mean tbf I didn’t know putting in different places was spam, cuz I’d never like be spamming copy pastas in one channel cuz that’s annoying. I put one in here cuz tbf rn this is kinda the pvp channel, one in the pj timer thread cuz it’s almost bed time and imma need it tomorrow, and then one in the actual active channel at the time to see if I missed anything

[vivid ruin]

The chat isnt just for improvements. Itd be a meeting ground. For new and experienced pkers alike

[restive storm]

But I would never like spam a channel to rag people talking

[nocturne solstice]

I very specifically said.

• Mods are not on 24/7 we are not robots. This implies things slip through.
• "X did this so its okay for Y to do it" is not an acceptable excuse to break the rules.

If you think there's a situation where a mod did something unfairly then report it to modmail so the other mods will investigate it.

If you think someone SHOULD be punished and we're going lenient on them then report them to modmail.

[small anvil]

I'm saying that it sure looks like action is being contemplated or taken against people that are disliked for being part of the pvp crowd, for a type of action that is taken all the time by other regular users of this discord

[limber creek]

and then what happens

[nocturne solstice]

Everything looks like a lot of things when you dont know whats happening in the background and have your own agenda.

[small anvil]

im curious what you think my agenda is

[limber creek]

do we keep notes on agendas because we had to talk about context yesterday.

it was good conversation

[nocturne solstice]

You might but I certainly aint, I rely on poor memory.

[nocturne solstice]

I think you believe mods are out to get you and your friends? for some reason.
Most of us just have real life stuff to do and can't be around 24/7 to make sure every instance of a rule break you see gets actioned. Especially if it isnt modmailed.

[small anvil]

I'm not friends with any of these pvp people besides having a couple conversations re pvp with them lol

[nocturne solstice]

okay

[small anvil]

I do think that its an obligation when power is acting in a way I think is corrupt

to speak up

[limber creek]

Even when a mod was active in chat someone broke a rule yesterday and they said it has to be modmailed. So is that not typically the only way moderation reacts unless overtly against tos?

[small anvil]

I dont think mods are "out to get me", I do think the moderation team has a habit of acting corruptly at times and then covering for each other

[merry verge]

Oh yes, a PvP discussion channel would be cool for general discussions, questions and whatnot.
The megathread is just probably his best bet for now to discuss the suggestions he wants and to lay out arguments and discuss it orderly in one place

[nocturne solstice]

I cant speak for every moderator but having a modmail helps keep track of whats going on. Personally I have difficulty taking action even while in chat if I'm on mobile for example.

[limber creek]

Totally fair and reasonable. Thank you for clarifying homie.

[nocturne solstice]

If I'm at my PC and in chat I tend to just take action without a modmail report.

[small anvil]

And yes I do think there's a pattern of selective enforcement based on who the mod team believes is a "troublemaker" or however you might term it.

[nocturne solstice]

Also depends on the rule break in question. If it's a should not I try to talk em down, give em warnings first. Really depends subjectively how bad it is"

[small anvil]

But i guess i'll keep in mind that posting things to multiple channels or repeatedly counts as a strike worthy offense.

in the opinion of the mods

[nocturne solstice]

Yes as outlined in https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1389188801103921152

Post any form of spam, including but not limited to, repeatedly copy & pasting the same statements, attempting to share the same links or statements across multiple channels

So posting the same statements across multiple channels would be spam

[limber creek]

I am sorry if i have broke the rule then.

[nocturne solstice]

In the same way that we do get peopel trying to advertise sus links across multiple channels.

[nocturne solstice]

People make mistakes and thats okay

[brisk hill]

i just wanna talk about the wild mane

[small anvil]

the spam rule sure seems like it applies more than the bait rule tho

[nocturne solstice]

Thats fine, and I aint stopping you from doing so

[brisk hill]

do u go wildy

[small anvil]

Calling it bait was what made the alarm bells go off for me

b/c that is basically saying that the statements themselves are inherently problematic

[nocturne solstice]

why would that be alarm bells?

[nocturne solstice]

Now and then

[narrow folio]

I did a lot of dark crabs to 99

[small anvil]

because the statements i've seen (not that i've seen them all) hardly seem to rise to the level of baiting in the sense of trying to cause arguments

[nocturne solstice]

Oh well that might be a misunderstanding then. I don't have a problem with Squinttz making a list of changes he wants in the wildy.

[narrow folio]

one of my favorite fishings

I expect resource area to get reworked but am worried dark crabs would get more dangerous

[small anvil]

afaik the list people are saying is growing as they come up with suggestions they like or think up

[narrow folio]

though trawlings simply much better now at getting large amounts of high tier fish

[small anvil]

so like inherently i dont think repeating the list if it's changed is a problem if its part of the conversation

[nocturne solstice]

But like, if you were talking about iunno, tempoross efficiency for example and someone posted a copy pasta in chat something completely unrelated, trying to derail, and then spammed it across multiple channels.

You could see how that would make people upset, if you're doing it intentionally to get people upset then that would be baiting.

[small anvil]

or if someone asks what the current list looks like

[nocturne solstice]

And i dunno how you could post copy pasta across channels without seeing it as upsetting.

[small anvil]

(I am kind of curious how the list has changed since ~yesterday or whenever i last saw it)

[nocturne solstice]

Damn, I did bwans I think.

Did a bit of dark crabs but ceebs

[narrow folio]

bwans, infernal eels, crabs, anglers

all very good

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah it would be nice to have it in a permanent place rather than just copy pasted.

[small anvil]

I just think that calling it "bait" is uh, inherently prejudiced?

like its almost saying "how dare you keep posting stuff about pvp, thats baiting reactions from people who hate pvp"

[ember token]

jagex considered/is considering he box jonge's proposal for a resource area rework https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFi7HutYZHQ

[small anvil]

which... is not a reasonable take

if there was a pvp dedicated channel maybe you could make that argument that its in the wrong spot

but given that the existence of such a channel is apparently a hotly debated thing

[tacit wharf]

it has not just been the last 2 weeks with him either, but like i said the last 3 or so months since the sailing discord has shut down in #sailing-chat as well

[narrow folio]

nice that looks really interesting

[small anvil]

it doesnt seem reasonable to proscribe people from talking about part of the game

[brisk hill]

watching now thanks

[nocturne solstice]

Id say the baiting is trying to force a conversation that people dont want to engage with.

Again, I don't mind people talking about pvp.

If people asked in Old-school anyone got tips for Artio? thats fine

[small anvil]

uhhh thats an interesting definition of baiting

[nocturne solstice]

asking where to go wildy or how to pk? thats fine too

asking for rag setups or whatever? any wildy or pvp question in general or discussion i wouldnt mind

[small anvil]

sharing a kill? should be totally fine right

[nocturne solstice]

eh should be

[small anvil]

these experienced types dont have much reason to be asking questions

[nocturne solstice]

just uh hide the name

no bulli

[small anvil]

keys dont show a name iirc

[brisk hill]

chat does

[nocturne solstice]

yeah then thats fine

maybe people would prefer it in #achievements but I wouldnt mind unless it gets spammy

[nocturne solstice]

Well chat isnt only for experienced types

[small anvil]

mostly i was saying restricting it to questions only (which your examples were) would not make sense

[nocturne solstice]

That was just an example, im not gunna like, make a list of every allowed pvp topic

[small anvil]

because these new experienced pvpers would not have much reason to be asking many questions

ya i was asking clarifying question

[nocturne solstice]

nws

[brisk hill]

i appreciate the discussion and i'd like to piggyback. some of it is bait, the more ppl who tell us to gtfo out of "their" channel, the more likely we are to get a dedicated area to discuss meaningful things w/o bothering others

[small anvil]

I'm not even a pvper

i have 0 kills lol

[brisk hill]

its not the right way to go about it, but its helpful

[small anvil]

I just think that pvp is a uh, charged topic for some people

[nocturne solstice]

If there is a large enough population and their chats dont seem to fit elsewhere, a new channel would make the most sense.

[small anvil]

and the best way to make it not bleed over too heavily is just give them a channel you can silo it in

so i can tell them to crawl back into their filth pit of a channel

🙃

[brisk hill]

it's the reaction a lot of the time in other channels

[narrow folio]

I'm liking that rewsource area improvement

[brisk hill]

yourenot online 24/7 and i support that

[small anvil]

(i am joking about what i'd say to them)

[narrow folio]

I assume that area would be singles

[nocturne solstice]

What was it? I think i missed it

[brisk hill]

but it seems to be the reaction a lot, so hopefully we can get something

[nocturne solstice]

Lmao all g all g

[narrow folio]

He box jonge's vid

[narrow folio]

from here

[nocturne solstice]

ill check it out when i got the time

18m vid lmao

[ember token]

im rewatching it because its been awhile and i dont remember the details

[narrow folio]

theres a google doc linked so u dont need to even watch the hwhole thing

[brisk hill]

its incredibly detailed

[nocturne solstice]

good shit

[small anvil]

what did the pvp crowd think of it

[ember token]

but Jagex asked people how they felt about it in I think the 2024 end of year survey

[brisk hill]

this is my first time seeing it

l0l

[small anvil]

lol

[dawn jackal]

i pretty much tuned out at "75% more chins"

[brisk hill]

7 mins in

[small anvil]

was that resource only or xp rate

[dawn jackal]

xp rate lower more chins

[small anvil]

given its hebox prob xp rate

oh

ehhh that doesnt sound awful to me then, are irons that constrained by chin catching time?

[nocturne solstice]

dont feel like they would be

[small anvil]

i figure they do an hour of chins and are good for ~months

[narrow folio]

technically meta to catch chins then train range with them

i opted not to

[brisk hill]

1.2m gp p/h for all the suggestions

[small anvil]

oh its part of training meta

meh

cant imagine that many will do it unless just rushing xp

[narrow folio]

actual pvm uses is niche

[small anvil]

monkey room cleanup