game-update

[obsidian venture]

what if gilded

[small anvil]

personally i think plinx shouldn't have input that boils down to people have suggestions i dont like therefore they shouldnt get a channel

[brisk hill]

Even better omg

[limber creek]

Bro if that will settle the beef fine ill call them out

[narrow folio]

I didn't say that

[obsidian venture]

could have scrolled up a few messages

[limber creek]

1v1 me wildy over the conversation so we can move on lol

[obsidian venture]

as well

[meager flame]

1v1 salamanders only

[winged mantle]

Pretty much

[limber creek]

If i win i become mod

[obsidian venture]

I will admit

[limber creek]

and i make pvp channel

Itll be discussed.

[narrow folio]

Basically the same ideas I'm hearing make the wildy worse for most players. It's not just for pvpers but pvmers too.

[small anvil]

plinx, that was point #2 you made

[oblique mesa]

Wait you guys can't see the PvP channel? Guess its only for the cool kids 😎

[limber creek]

How can we not discuss the disrespect but we can discuss the pvp channel

[meager flame]

well yeah but of course

[limber creek]

Lets discuss that

[small anvil]

you numbered them in the message even

[meager flame]

thats just people advocating for what they want

[limber creek]

wait we need a mod mail someone send it in

[meager flame]

i would also like to kill people for big $$

[obsidian venture]

I'm not involved in pvp communites and you have me out here defending them 😭

like brother folks just wanna discuss what they like

[meager flame]

ya same i haven't really pvped for a long time except for here or there lmao

[small anvil]

i want them to have their own channel so i can point to it and say go away

[winged mantle]

I don't pvp but still think pvp should have it's space. Why deny a core part of the game and community to speak freely?

[narrow folio]

Right and I'm also advocating that it would be what the channel would become, just making it easier to kill others who don't fight back

[small anvil]

begone cretin!

[limber creek]

And if we break discord rules shut us up!

Dont give leeway because of rank.

[vivid ruin]

You guys sweeped my team one time 😭

[obsidian venture]

did I

oh right

gf

[winged mantle]

Won't know till they have a space 🤷🏼‍♀️

[narrow folio]

So would it really be productive and help the game based on the conversations here recently?

[obsidian venture]

🤝

[meager flame]

probably?

[narrow folio]

They already have a space here and this is just based on my observation

[small anvil]

this isnt the right space

they came here cuz there was 1 proposed update

[meager flame]

between the funny stuff people actually have talked about what is/isn't good to some degree

[small anvil]

that they universally hated

[limber creek]

Here plinxy goes again

[small anvil]

in what world is game update the right spot?

[winged mantle]

Game updates for removal of wilderness teleports...

[narrow folio]

For skulled players/pkers only

[small anvil]

if people wanna talk about pvp generally

[limber creek]

im talkin about game updates i wanna see buddy.

welcome to pvp chat

[narrow folio]

And its a cooldown not removal?

[winged mantle]

Where else do pkers discuss pvp/ wilderness outside of that

[limber creek]

who asked for it?

[small anvil]

wow lets throw them in #old-school where it'll degenerate to people who hate pvpers shouting at pvpers

[meager flame]

nah im telling you

have them battle general chat

[obsidian venture]

idk if you read dms ellie but dmed a read if you want

[meager flame]

if they can win that war they can have the entire discord

[vivid ruin]

Theres too much sense making taking place right now.

[winged mantle]

Ill check it later

[limber creek]

the pvmers cant handle ns.

[obsidian venture]

off me....

[small anvil]

off, i'll pay

pls

[limber creek]

im sorry boss.

[obsidian venture]

bro im ngl

someone did that

i believed it

[narrow folio]

Trial the channel then but pvmers also need a say in pvp if they're the ones being attacked

[obsidian venture]

and they logged in front of my face

[small anvil]

did you get scammed

lol

[meager flame]

lmfao

[obsidian venture]

idk how streamers make it happen

[limber creek]

Bro i got paid 10m last night from an ironman lol

[meager flame]

you gotta box them

[obsidian venture]

I did box

[limber creek]

he didnt wanna go back to wildy resource arena XD

[obsidian venture]

maybe like

make sure they have an alt?

or something

[meager flame]

yeah

make them meet you at ge

[limber creek]

you get them low health and give them a time limit

[meager flame]

on another account

[limber creek]

if they dont pay by time up its bye bye

[meager flame]

and tell them if they run they'll die

[obsidian venture]

Yeah I was def ie

next time ig

[meager flame]

im ngl though one time i said that joking and they took me seriously

and i shut the chaos altar door in their face and got gap

it was dumb

[small anvil]

turkey scammer

[limber creek]

yall ever hit em with the / my world

[vivid ruin]

The wild is neverending fun

[limber creek]

gets people shakin in their boots i tell you what!

[obsidian venture]

my fav thing to do

is to pk someone and 1t report them

because they always gotta slur at me for 0

helping Jagex remove toxic players

[limber creek]

I always report these rude toxic pvmers that try to give pking a bad name!
Its crazy the amount of disrespect we have to endure from people we are supposed to be equal too!

[small anvil]

if only we had a channel i could tell you to crawl back into

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/why-i-oughta-punch-meme-fight-meme-windmill-arms-gif-7998042252290317616

[obsidian venture]

I always drop a gf

ngl

I said Happy New year one time and got posted on facebook for being toxic

like bro

[limber creek]

and crawl i would my friend. Right back into my dirty pker hole where i cause lots of problems and steal all pvmers hard earned golden pieces.

[obsidian venture]

Even if I get pked, I drop a gf and sometime the pker just offs me on the next run

or we have a cool lil discussion

and vice versa

it's a lovely thing to see on both sides

[winged mantle]

If I get jumped by a ragger I will go out of my way to waste their time for an hour

[vivid ruin]

Actually though. Thats the easiest way to get involved into a huge pking fc

[limber creek]

If you're a human i generally will off you a second time.
If you 1t flick every prayer and dont speak to me its on site again and again.

[vivid ruin]

Be friendly

[obsidian venture]

yeah

[limber creek]

Ive immediately recruited someone i killed and took them on the next trip.

Happens more than you think lol

[obsidian venture]

I will off someone if they chat and they are nice

but not on the first run

[winged mantle]

"nty" as I run away

[restive storm]

Bro jimy rustler died to us for about 3,500 ancient staves and we eventually just started helping him get kills cuz he was such a cute noob

[winged mantle]

Tee hee

[limber creek]

lmfao having a mascot whos a complete and total noob is one of the best things

they make the game so much more fun

[restive storm]

I was the mascot of my friend group man I literally led Team Butters (name checks out)

[obsidian venture]

I try to encourage cc to get into pking. It's generally not about gp

it's as simple as shooting the shits with ya boys/girls after a long day

[vivid ruin]

Same

[restive storm]

I’d have the most lovable band of idiots out there

[vivid ruin]

Especially fun when everyone goes vc

[restive storm]

It was glorious

[limber creek]

my pvm cc gets the whole clan to come to multi every now and then and its a blast watching them out there.

[obsidian venture]

that's awesome

last wildy mass we did

I made everyone anti pk

[limber creek]

we actually brought in someone from this discord to the clan today lol

[obsidian venture]

and they loved it

[limber creek]

cause they wanted help pking

[obsidian venture]

also the amount of pkers that will off if you anti is a lot

fuck the dihns

[limber creek]

omg a recoil and a rune crossbow 🏃🏻‍♂️‍➡️

this one trick pkers dont want you to know lol

[obsidian venture]

even if skulled with ww

it rips

just hit back

[vivid ruin]

Yeah when im geared at agility course, the amount of pkers who keep hoping and leave me alone is crazy

[obsidian venture]

most kank is when a bper venoms you

[limber creek]

if ur unskulled in an ely and black d'hide.
Im not gonna even look twice at you. and i fight everything

[winged mantle]

Note to self - get ely

[limber creek]

Make sure to have on skull prevention if you do. but honestly. Yes lmao

[obsidian venture]

adds ellie to the list ✅

[vivid ruin]

My agility set

😂

[obsidian venture]

legit

[winged mantle]

The list?

[obsidian venture]

the off list

[winged mantle]

💅🏼

[round lintel]

loot bag

[vivid ruin]

Eh i didnt care about loot

I was waiting to anti

[obsidian venture]

Also look at how wholesome chat got

surely this is also used as a base for what a pvp channel could be

[vivid ruin]

The few who spoil can easily catch a timeout

[floral blaze]

Pvp channel would be a very helpful channel

[vivid ruin]

Not only can it be used to discuss wildy/pvp changes, but clans can meet

[obsidian venture]

Idt pvp will ever be what it used to be. Back then even I disliked it as a kid. But we can bridge some middlegrounds for the future of it so it isn't as toxic and is more fun for folks to get into

[vivid ruin]

Or people can recruit

[narrow folio]

I feel like I could learn a lot if I go on a real pk trip with the boys in multi

[obsidian venture]

You can

[narrow folio]

However I am against singles piling at all cost.

[obsidian venture]

It's legit vibes

no one piles

unless on a specific world

[vivid ruin]

Once you taste blood with buddies in vc its game over

[narrow folio]

I am under the impression singles piling doesnt exist besides BH world or someting

[obsidian venture]

yeah

[vivid ruin]

Its basically impossible

[obsidian venture]

it's just fight in multi

or go to singles

and gl

tbf I recently traded a pker with a friend because they couldn't time their freeze to dd under

but generally unlikely to happen nowadays

[limber creek]

1m+ parchment risk vetion ultra anti pker setup. Mainhand elder for vet.

You know how many people dip the moment you pull out a zcb unskulled?

[obsidian venture]

zcb a juicer?

never brought it out pking tbh

[winged mantle]

Why not viggoras?

[limber creek]

Unskulled why would i not use it.

[winged mantle]

Or ursine

[limber creek]

Viggoras does not hit pkers as hard as elder maul.

[obsidian venture]

I usually camp ursine

[winged mantle]

Ah

[oblique mesa]

unskulled and no ely? thats half the fun

[limber creek]

I dont care about vetion hes secondary.

[winged mantle]

Pretend to kill the boss

[limber creek]

I dont own elysian or i would wear it.

[obsidian venture]

ah

[limber creek]

Yes sometimes i just afk outside boss pretending. Sometimes i just kill boss w/ no prayer etc cause its free

[winged mantle]

dam guys these kills are soooo slow, would be a shame if someone attacked me

[limber creek]

😏

[restive storm]

This is like 90% of what I do all day

[limber creek]

Goal is not to kill boss 10 or even 15 seconds faster.
Its to smack johnny pker in the jaw!

[winged mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-staring-shrek-smiling-gif-14430015749099037012

[vivid ruin]

I think we're turning ellie

[limber creek]

Ellie is more than welcome to come pk sometime too.

The invite is literally open.

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-funny-shrek-funny-face-gif-16711314694006391008

[winged mantle]

I only play the iron

[floral blaze]

I lost the patience to anti pk, but when I used to do it the whales that would attack me often times were bad

[winged mantle]

I do love wildy bossing and as soon as I get attacked are prepared

[floral blaze]

Most pvmers would have a better time if they geared to fight back 💯

[winged mantle]

Skull prevention on - stand next to friend that's getting barraged - attack

[vivid ruin]

Thats what im saying

[narrow folio]

Whats the deal with zcb being good at pvp? Bolt procs?

[vivid ruin]

If there was a tutorial on this stuff i think pvp wouldn't be so frowned upon

[narrow folio]

Is 10% higher proc dmg really that good?

[minor whale]

Dragon Opal Bolts E go hard

Can't antifire prevent it

[winged mantle]

Yeah

[minor whale]

Hits insanely high

[narrow folio]

Dragonstone not opal ur thinking

[minor whale]

And the 10% extra is like 7 max hits

Nope, opal

[vivid ruin]

Opal

[narrow folio]

Never understood why use one or the other

[minor whale]

Dragonstone you can antifire against

[vivid ruin]

If someone pre pots antifire or dfs, dragonstone is useless

[obsidian venture]

for pvmers you use dstone

pkers opal

can't protect that proc

[narrow folio]

You assume other pkers prepotted

[minor whale]

Even pvmers half the time use dfs

[obsidian venture]

yes

[small anvil]

pkers know to prepot antifire

[vivid ruin]

I sometimes run sapphire in bigger groups

[minor whale]

Opal just has no counters so it's a guarantee

[limber creek]

this is a trick to for pkers and works the other way. I tb and freeze a guy then my friend stands under me and if he barrages back, he might not have skull prevention on and we've just made a hella payday that only comes around once in a blue moon lol.

[limber creek]

lmao this is the funniest because bro sometimes i bring d bolts just for the hell of it and u never know LOL

[oblique mesa]

They can prepot but it wears off after 100 world hops

[winged mantle]

Nice

[minor whale]

Also I think opal has a way way higher chance of proccing
It's a flat 5.5%, whereas dragonstone is 6% if you hit

If fighting anyone tanky at all opal will outperform

[limber creek]

lets be real theres a lot of anti pker media even a tutorial would still create a negative light for our image.

[small anvil]

video title: "stop being a victim: how to anti-pk"

[limber creek]

A section in discord with us acting civilly could perhaps show positive real interactions moreso than the negative real interactions.

[vivid ruin]

It just needs to be embraced. Its literally end game to the end game

You can only run so much toa or tob

[obsidian venture]

never enough tob

[limber creek]

to be fair even i have used the victim term when speaking about the wilderness foodchain. Probably not the greatest way of putting it ig.

[obsidian venture]

I say it all the time

it's sadly true

[vivid ruin]

That pic i posted is in a little anti pk guide i made for my clan

[small anvil]

i do need to learn this sorta thing for when i actually do wildy bosses

i mostly go in <100k base risk

and accept death

[vivid ruin]

You can quickly realize that pvming has the upper hand

[minor whale]

Let them hit you some
And learn how to ghost venge

Then pop the vw

It's why BH is very simple

You just venge whenever they're running in to spec

And don't just venge as soon as cool down ends

[limber creek]

A vast majority of your pkers are going to have 1 +1 item.
This will generally be a higher value item than the rest of your set.
So if you're in say b lack d'hide and mystics, you might have a voidwaker or a toxic staff.
Some bring more but a majority its one and they keep it on death.

As a pvmer you get 4 of these high tier items to fight back and use their combined advantages to kill the pker.
Its on you to utilize this advantage as an advantage.
If you do not attack back, you're only making it easier for your opponent.

Hence the victim terminology.

[winged mantle]

Pkers hated when I attacked back during my wildy grinds

[restive storm]

More clients, the answer is always more clients and accounts

“Skull tricking on five accounts (little do they know I have dragon claws)”

[restive storm]

Tbh we been civil in here, at least just as civil as the rest of the entire disc, toxicity was a minimal if any problem in the other pvp disc. I don’t even buy that as a reason to not do it

[true talon]

anyone who gets skull tricked in 2026 with all the baby safe warnings jagex added, deserve it.

[winged mantle]

The simple act of checking your risk + checking skull prevention on should be standard

[true talon]

ok whoever thought its ok to make you need 100 dragon sheets for a max boat is on something

[winged mantle]

Yes

Wym tass, just get 2 whole visages for 1 sloop!

[limber creek]

at least here its not all just majority streamers as contributors.

[true talon]

1/3rd the way there

[limber creek]

its a couple of dudes that love multi

and ladies!

and a couple of homies that might be intrigued to pvp one day

and just a crazy conglomoration of all types

its healthy!

[hard axle]

Pkers malded when they saw the Ely on the afk Artio grind

And then they malded even harder when my alt had it too

[limber creek]

Even if I get attacked im not going to change my positive outlook for coming here and appreciating everyone whos taken part in the discussions.

[winged mantle]

The double take

[limber creek]

I pk people i see worse in game every day about me from all sorts of players.

[vivid ruin]

Its insane how noticeable it is when someone has an ely on lol

[winged mantle]

Writes an extra note

Those videos with sotd + ely are rough

In venenatis cave

[limber creek]

i was just gonna say like tg kun at spider cave lol

he is a multi pker too!

[restive storm]

Amen

[true talon]

There is so much wrong with that gear, even if they didnt get skulled

[winged mantle]

what kind of pker rushing with a suffering

[restive storm]

Bro the “wtf was this man doing” roulette goes crazy you have literally no idea

[limber creek]

the whip LOL

[obsidian venture]

LOL

[winged mantle]

claw rusher at artio

[obsidian venture]

"ty for 10m"

[winged mantle]

they kept coming in trying to dclaw spec for so long and then bopped them on the iron whilst calling them out on the alt

[limber creek]

https://tenor.com/ZjqD.gif

[restive storm]

Doin tds built diffy

Idk that dude mighta been an iron

[winged mantle]

i don't think irons would risk at td's on a pvp world

a greenhelm maybe

[limber creek]

i wouldn't think it either. thats why its lucrative for them to do it LOL

[winged mantle]

mmm

[ember grove]

baffling set of items

[winged mantle]

the old - just got attacked on this world, go back cause they'll never expect the same world!

[ember grove]

like I was thinking uim who got lazy deathpiling but no that's not nearly juicy enough

[limber creek]

"how'd they find me 👀 "

[winged mantle]

it works more than you'd think

[quiet plank]

Tormented demons?

Why were they doing TDs on a pvp world anyways

[quiet plank]

I found out at calvarion that just hopping to the next world doesn't work either

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-facepalm-raxalxshivar-anano-ananofacepalm-gif-12554045231795655384

[restive storm]

Wasn’t a PvP world

[quiet plank]

How the hell were the dumb enough to go to wildy wtf

That's the funniest shit

Was that an iron? They probably quit if they were lmao

Also TDs with no demonbane is funny

[restive storm]

Most irons are stupid enough to think they’re “trolling me” and try to “pick up” the stuff I dropped then are too stupid to realize they have skull prev off when trying to re-enter the barrier

Idk just low iq players

Gotten plenty of sets all the same way and then they come back whining

Like maybe don’t try to troll people when ur not smart enough to know how the game works

[quiet plank]

Idk why they'd whine about it lol. Even if your nice there's nothing you can do to help em

[floral blaze]

Can't imagine the kind of slurs you get thrown at you

[quiet plank]

This is a good reminder for me to be careful about going in wildy

[floral blaze]

I chase an ironman out of Callisto cave solo pking, dont even kill him and he pms me to tell me to delete myself

[floral blaze]

You cant mess up with Skull prev on and checking items kept on death every now and again

[tacit wharf]

didnt they add luring/skull tricking to the list of reportable offenses awhile back?

[limber creek]

i think they should luring. But did they? Source?

[small anvil]

Dropping an expensive item lures people out of ferox

Banpls

[oblique mesa]

brother can i have the source of the new dog

[limber creek]

scamming can be reported as luring. But skull tricking is a game mechanic.

[floral blaze]

Used to watch skull tricking montages back in the day

First few years of OSRS

They would skulltrick green dragon killers but never showed how it was done

Turns out it was as simple as dying on one account and logging in on the other account on the same tile 😂

[restive storm]

Luring like social engineering people yes, but morons who don’t turn on the free skull prev button is free game

[tacit wharf]

i mean, i use to as well, but i thought that they updated it to TOS now, so was just asking for clarification or if was just mistaken

[restive storm]

Pvmers some of the most toxic ppl I’ve ever seen man

[true talon]

irons who get skull tricked this way, deserve it.

like bro you cant pick items up.......

[oblique mesa]

What scrub tier irons even have ground items enabled for stuff you can't pick up

[true talon]

"maybe thats my tbow i dropped outside the ferox enclave"

[tacit wharf]

there's still things that pass the filter that i randomly still click on by mistake

[limber creek]

it will be discussed.

[tacit wharf]

like clue items at the crafting guild

[floral blaze]

Yeah, I don't think I've had an interaction with another pker that was as toxic

[restive storm]

They’re tryina troll me cuz they think I’m an idiot

And that it never works

[oblique mesa]

It shouldn't even display that an item is the ground if you don't own it outside of a red dot on the minimap

[restive storm]

The meds that used to bully my pure team I’m now all friends with, and every one of them has since quit the game

[oblique mesa]

I'm off for some fun wildy agility boys, hope you all find some juicy ironmen 🫡

[floral blaze]

That's sad. So many ppl quit over the years, simply nothing to do in the wildy

[limber creek]

wonder how many would resubscribe for multi revs revival

👀

[floral blaze]

Many would surely

[restive storm]

Likely 0 for multi, some of the pures might come back but also not that likely

Multi was more of post trip shenanigans with whoever was left over

[restive storm]

Hard to get singles people interested in multi tbh it’s just soooo different, but it was a good like off night kinda thing or good for if a few people stuck around later than others

[limber creek]

its good all the time at all team sizes if only we can get a place above 30 wildy like this so bots cant 1t tele or log and provides enough incentives to invoke people to farm it.

and a place to speak about it

[restive storm]

It’s good yeah, like money wise but not everyone is looking to just multi pile cuz it’s a totally different style of the game. But yeah def they gotta put it in the game

Just it isn’t gonna like bring singles pkers back to the game to go pk multi

[limber creek]

its much more approachable imo to go out with a few homies and give it a shot to one shot some pvmers with the boys one day. as it is to go out and try to solo one of the giga bots in current state lol. or be got on by a normal pker

[restive storm]

Oh absolutely it is, but it won’t really interest that other crowd that’s already experienced real singles

[narrow folio]

I'd like to apologize for saying there shouldn't be a pvp channel. I think it's a great idea and if moderation becomes too much then it can be re-evaluated later 🙂

[restive storm]

Multi is definitely the easiest to get into, but singles pretty much doomed to be dead forever until they make changes cuz 95% of the people in the wild you aren’t allowed to hit

[chrome lantern]

I can't really think of much worse than being able to be hit by multiple people in singles

[restive storm]

I mean the good news is you can’t get hit by multiple people at the same time

Just 1 person at a time

[chrome lantern]

That doesn't make it better it's still multiple people against one in a single-combat area

[restive storm]

Sure it does cuz u don’t die instantly to 50 people bolting you

You can actually tank it

[limber creek]

its just multi with extra steps lol

[restive storm]

Can’t get maced at least for the noobies

Though some of them somehow think the pj timer prevents that

[limber creek]

you only get maced nowadays if you're completely unaware with locator orb

which noobs will be. fair

[restive storm]

Exactly lol

[chrome lantern]

I don't even know why you're talking about a loc orb so yeah

[restive storm]

Just don’t bring a +1 to multi if u care ab losing it

[chrome lantern]

How would I know if I'm going to get ancient maced in time to reduce my health meaningfully

[limber creek]

to much info for a general person

dont bring anything u dont wanna lose

[chrome lantern]

I don't

[limber creek]

like squintzz said lol

[ember token]

install the mace alerter plugin, your screen will start flashing when someone with a mace equipped appears on your screen

[chrome lantern]

I learned my lesson on my main back in 2020

[narrow folio]

crazy how theres a plugin for that lmao

[chrome lantern]

I think he's being facetious

[tacit wharf]

just have a homie spear you and you try spam clicking iti while your speared

[restive storm]

Ur telling me me there’s a plugin now man? Yeah just delete rl

[limber creek]

theres no plugin lol

[bronze kernel]

To be honest, I can see why people hate the D Spear/Ancient mace spec combo.

[ember token]

he doesnt know about the plugin lol

its already joever for you

[restive storm]

Esp when they’re dumb enough to think it happens inside of singles

[bronze kernel]

Here's a hot take

Rework the D Spear spec

Like scrap the shove and give it a spec that actually does something

[restive storm]

The spec is the most important spec in the game arguably, wym “a spec that does something” lol

[floral blaze]

Ye the D spear is OP

[restive storm]

What are we gonna do make it useless and give it a spec that does 25% more damage that nobody would ever use? lol

[tacit wharf]

let you use portions during it effects, leave the spec otherwisely unchanged

[chrome lantern]

I do think it would be a valid point to make the zspear keep the shove but not the dspear

So it actually means something to bring it

[limber creek]

half of the time i specifically spear people from singles to multi to mace them

[limber creek]

brilliant

[restive storm]

Wouldn’t change anything

[restive storm]

Yeah… not what they meant tho, though that is now easier to accomplish via the pj timer

[limber creek]

was easier before imo

but thats not now 🙁

[small anvil]

Do pkers think d spear is a healthy spec to have or kinda busted

For how cheap and accessible

Pretty sure the statement above was saying to nerf d spear basically

[restive storm]

I mean multi in general is busted I don’t really think it’s that crazy given that, there’s plenty of “busted” weapons out there. And if you’re in singles and not toeing the line then it’s totally useless, so I’d say it’s fine

[small anvil]

Actually I guess mace is maybe the more busted multi spec?

[chrome lantern]

Like I said just remove the spec from the dspear but leave it on the zspear

[small anvil]

It's such a core part of the multi clan experience I bet that they prob wouldn't want a change I imagine. But zspear is an interesting idea to make it a bigger risk to bring

[chrome lantern]

It's already there

[small anvil]

Ya I meant that taking away dspear might get more pvper riots

All 10 of them

[restive storm]

Zspear is also worthless so what’s it really matter lol

[small anvil]

It's like 1m ish

[chrome lantern]

Honestly

In my mind it still had more value

But even 1m is still a lot more than 60k

[restive storm]

Like I said wouldn’t actually change anything

[small anvil]

And it would spike a bunch if they started being deleted in pvp

[limber creek]

its fuckin busted. But its a big part of multi. lol.

[small anvil]

It's common enough from zammy

[tacit wharf]

could also just increase dspears spec cost, so u cant be speared 4 times in a row (5 now i believe)

[winged mantle]

delete d spear on death?

[chrome lantern]

Conversely though if it were the only way to spear spec

Wouldn't the zspear go up

[limber creek]

5 in a row if u freeze with barrage with duke sceptre.

[bronze kernel]

Make the shove RNG

[limber creek]

and use spec pot on first

[bronze kernel]

It either shoves the opponent backwards or shoves you backwards

[restive storm]

Maybe slightly? But u don’t really need a lot for it to work so can’t imagine it’d matter much

[tacit wharf]

i mean if u increase cost of spec to 50/75%

[restive storm]

Seems like a pointless update to try and increase spear cost by 50k a piece

[small anvil]

If dspear got spec removed it would absolutely send zspear up with the number that got deleted in multi fights I imagine

[ember token]

make it based on weight, the lighter person gets shoved

[chrome lantern]

Oh my bad it's even less than I thought it cost

[small anvil]

I remember zspear being like 15m at a point

[ember token]

simply just have high weight to avoid getting shoved

[small anvil]

Granite armor multi strat

[limber creek]

if u got shield on they cant push u would be wild lol

[tacit wharf]

negative weight, u get speared 2 tiles instead of 1

[limber creek]

what if d spear just knocked u down on the tile ur on instead of moving u

[winged mantle]

ye

[chrome lantern]

Could even be specifically changed that way for players so you can still do stuff for like ardy knights

[restive storm]

But even if we did that it isn’t like were solving any sort of problem

People just would take a zspear as their +1 and we’d be in exactly the same spot lol

[chrome lantern]

Well that specific change (stun on-tile) would specifically be to stop pushing people into multi

[limber creek]

itd have to be on z spear too is the issue

[chrome lantern]

Yeah

This is separate from discussing d/zspear

[restive storm]

Omg as if we needed to make the Wildy somehow safer than it already is 😂

[floral blaze]

Addy seeds and wildy multi lines do enough to prevent someone from getting speared in

[restive storm]

Fr, you know how stupid you need to be this day in age to get speared into multi? lol

[small anvil]

Where the lines are and what's safe is kinda a knowledge gap thing

I know there's plugins but ehh

[vivid ruin]

Yeah all stuff that should be in a tutorial

[small anvil]

Knowing where not to go to be speared might be something that pvpers should know

Pvmer knowing where to run? No way that's expected knowledge

Not like there's a game setting like skull protection

[winged mantle]

Even if there was a visual in game similar to wildy lines (graphically the ground gets darker or something)

[restive storm]

Not using grey for every tile of the wilderness bar moss giant hill might be a great start

Ah green hill too forgot

[winged mantle]

I'm all for glowing lines 😂

[limber creek]

yall gotta chill or theyre gonna make it an agility shortcut u have to hop'

[meager flame]

They could’ve just been sane too

Some of those lines look like they didn’t want people to understand them lmao

[small anvil]

great idea, ship it!

[brisk hill]

Stop it!

That’s how I make coin!

[limber creek]

[torpid dagger]

Love the in-game skill guides rework! Now the game is easier for friends to pick up, for those new to RS

[winged mantle]

nice try magpie impling

[limber creek]

pvmers are very rude 🙁

[silk thicket]

Rarely get flamed by pkers ngl LOL

Once had a guy complain about his freeze rng when he cast 1 barrage

[wispy current]

How is there not a pvp channel in this server

[zinc galleon]

i can get pretty rude, i tell the scouts to "sit"

[winged mantle]

"nfs" then log the alt as they try to get it behind the trees

[silk thicket]

Ppl get soooo heated about their scouts

Scout nfs

[scarlet dawn]

Or that pvmer that will report you for your 3 item switches

[obsidian venture]

Obviously it’s ahk if you can do a 4way in 1 tick🚑

Osrs players on avg tend to spend a tick for each switch 🥱

[vivid ruin]

Gm pvpcord

[restive storm]

Gm pvpers

[silk thicket]

[blissful topaz]

when are we getting the left click option bury on ground bones?

[silk thicket]

When you unlock the bonecrusher

[restive storm]

First gotta update the Wildy before we ever worry about that cuz like fifteen total people are burying bones directly off the ground anyway

[zinc galleon]

Mod Ash on the ethos of OSRS in the latest podcast:

"let's try and get it right this time where players who switched to the OS product felt that the other RS wasn't for them... wasn't what they were looking for... the vision for OS was here's a chance to redo to make it what they do want... hence the polling system"

It feels like the wilderness is turning into a place full of things that people who came back for it DO NOT WANT - and was not polled. This is a major failure and it's getting ignored for reasons beyond me. I think the wilderness is comparable to a capstone: it's small, but it holds the structure together. Its impact is underestimated, but at the same time it's not - see DMM and DMM all-stars success. It's the yin to the yang of OSRS.

[silk thicket]

I think one of the issues with polling system is that pkers, and especially experienced pkers, are vastly outnumbered by non-pkers so voting is skewed

It’s not exactly clear where to draw the line with who can vote either, unlike iron polls. E.g. are rev killing irons included? They go in the wildy and engage in PvP

[minor whale]

Agreed
It's nearly impossible to set a reasonable voting standard for something that can realistically affect the entire playerbase, but only taking votes from people who engage in one aspect of it wouldn't work.

UIM only votes work because they have a clear guideline - if you play UIM, your UIM account can vote, as it only affects UIM
There's no "wilderness" account restriction, any vote on it affects all account types, and focusing on just what one group of the people who engage with it wants isn't reasonable.

They've had "wilderness" polls before that required a threshold that was universally made fun of for being letting basically everyone vote

[silk thicket]

Ty for using smart words to say what I was thinking

[minor whale]

Either way you're gonna piss off either the people who really care about the wilderness and pking, or you're gonna piss off the majority of the playerbase

[true talon]

Ya, i mean i vote yes for all pvp stuff and wilderness changes. i was in favor of the chivarly scroll and even wrathmaw as a concept ( i was not a fan of the limited spawn times, worlds and the TTC being 100 years)

But i thought wrathmaw was a cool boss, they had one when they released strykwyrms there was a big one in the wildy you could go kill.

I remember that being a big hotspot (but that was before cartels who locked down spots existed XD)

Like jagex wanted to bring breach content to osrs, but the time gating was not it.

Also the 5 tick d bow able to hit 108 woulda been hilarious

[humble cargo]

You can fix PvP in osrs by simply making all roots break on damage

[true talon]

? no lmao

that is worst suggestion i ever seen

[humble cargo]

The root (lol) cause of all issues of pvp

[true talon]

Without freezing, everything is just bounty hunter

[humble cargo]

it doesn't have to break on splashes

[zinc galleon]

Yeah it's a complicated problem that needs a creative solution that I'm not sure I have. IMO they should at least revert a lot of their major changes at least.

[minor whale]

This would make escaping quite literally the freest thing of all time

There'd be absolutely 0 risk for any pvm situation that isn't multi getting ganked instantly

[restive storm]

How would this fix anything tho

Then it’d actually be impossible to ever die, whereas rn you have to have a lobotomy to be able to die

[humble cargo]

it would make pvp between people who enjoy pvp fun again (instead of who is better at standing under the other person) and make the pvers happy. So both sides are happy. Pkers mad sure, but who cares about them

[restive storm]

Got it so it’s for weenies

Thankfully they won’t do that

[humble cargo]

only in osrs are the people who want good fights weenies lol

[minor whale]

This is a dumb argument

[true talon]

Main pvp issues.
All content is located in 20-55 wildy, there is no brackets for pvpers to fight like OG edgville so they are all now in bounty hunter/GE (wildy lvls should be removed an replaced with a flat lvl, so lvl 50s cant attack lvl 3s ect)
The hunter vs prey only works when there is plenty of hunters to fight each other (often its hunter killing defenseless people or bots an runnng when another hunter comes)
TB timer needs not be halved by protecting magic, freeze timer should also not be halfed.
Overheads should reduce damage by 30% instead of 40%

[minor whale]

The wilderness from absolute North to absolute South is literally 450 tiles
It would take at most 250 ticks to run that assuming you have to path left and right a bit around terrain to keep straight, and 250 ticks is 150 seconds
That's from running from the North Shore to the ditch

[humble cargo]

hunter vs prey is just pve lol. It works fine but it's not pvp

[minor whale]

So less time than it currently takes to tank a half tb to escape from any location in the wildy

[restive storm]

“Good fights” and it’s just making it so anyone can leave a fight for free

[minor whale]

It would not only kill "pking" it would kill all fights in the wilderness, period

There'd be 0 risk to anything

[humble cargo]

well I don't care about risk though. I want fun fights between two real players

[dawn jackal]

there are avenues to acheive that

[minor whale]

That already exists

[humble cargo]

LMS is fine. too many bots but ok

[minor whale]

You just don't want any danger for your wilderness activities

[dawn jackal]

the wildy should not be about getting fair fights

[humble cargo]

I mostly want the wildneress rewards gone and make them all cosmetic, but I also want pvp in the game

[vivid ruin]

Ran lots of callisto with clan this morning. Very busy today

[minor whale]

Ok we're just outside the realm of realism here then

[zinc galleon]

nice, im there rn. finding a lot of farmers, couple fights

solo ofc 8^)

[minor whale]

I don't think Jagex is going to change how freezes work after literally 20 years to go from "this is the strongest tool in your pvp arsenal" to "this is literally worthless"

[restive storm]

This would remove skill from the game and make it more homogenized and less fun, just do bh that already exists

[brisk hill]

Fair fights only exist in BH

[restive storm]

Wildy wasn’t meant to be fair

[brisk hill]

Even there they don’t rly

[humble cargo]

a man can dream :)

[restive storm]

And never has been, it was literally created to be unfair

[brisk hill]

Nothing will ever be fair unless you restrict gear & even then it wouldn’t because skill lvl

[humble cargo]

at least I've put my opinion out, that's enough for me

[minor whale]

Current BH is the most unfair BH so far it's actually crazy how bad it is

[brisk hill]

No don’t leave! It’s good to discuss 👍

[restive storm]

Bh just sucks in general cuz skill cap is too high

[vivid ruin]

You guys ever freeze a bih and he doesnt stop moving even when you get the xp drop and just open wild lol

[minor whale]

When you double death and go in to loot and you spawn in 200 tiles from your death and your opponent spawns 20

[brisk hill]

Run!

[brisk hill]

Yeah & surge pots only made the gap wider

[minor whale]

It's actually crazy how often it happened to a friend of mine who used to be top 100 BH or something

He came back to try the new BH and it happened to him 3 times in one day

[meager flame]

i mean thats fine though it would be better if they had elo or something so that bad players could play against bad players

[humble cargo]

lmao i'm not sitting around discussing with people who say "don't make it ezscape" and then next comment is "it's bad because too hard"

[meager flame]

but skill cap being high is generally good for people who actually play

[brisk hill]

There’s a balance like all things

But Okiedokie

[humble cargo]

(not you)

[restive storm]

That’d be PvP arena and it exists

[brisk hill]

Yep I understand

[restive storm]

But nobody does it

[minor whale]

He's saying it's hard for casuals to get into, which is accurate
They try, die 3 times, and leave because they don't know how to start

[brisk hill]

This yep

[meager flame]

nah nobody plays because theres no reason

jagex didn't finish the update

[brisk hill]

Shit rewards!

[meager flame]

i also think theres a healthy dose of shit design in it too tbf

[minor whale]

When you as "Guy who has never pked before" goes up against in BH "Guy who literally can smell when pid swaps" you're not gonna have a good time

[brisk hill]

The best thing that arena has (debatably) surge sacks & you can’t even dump them anywhere

[onyx quest]

if you cant handle the heat stay out the wilderness

[minor whale]

And over time the only people at BH are the 2nd guy

[onyx quest]

😎

[meager flame]

but like

[onyx quest]

im kidding

[brisk hill]

Yep. That’s where multi imo & old singles in squintz opinion is the perfect place to start

[meager flame]

good players vs bad players is something that has been solved for a million years in gaming outside of niche issues like smurfs

jagex just doesn't care

[brisk hill]

Yeah but you can’t have elo in an open world wilderness

[onyx quest]

nothing feels better than when that max gear pvp'er splashes 10 times in a row and u get gap

[quiet plank]

Smurfs?

[brisk hill]

You could in Bh for sure

[meager flame]

people who intentionally suck on a new account to play in a lower skill bracket

to put up crazy numbers on people

[quiet plank]

Oh

Eh adding skill brackets to wildy would be lame

[brisk hill]

Elo would be cool in BH

That’s it rly

[quiet plank]

I mean at least everyone I would go against would be trash

[brisk hill]

Yeah but then it’s just generated encounters

Aka BH

Wildy isn’t made for fair

[onyx quest]

i kinda like how a 126 can 1hit you at level 70 in deep wildy

it makes the deeper you go feel more dangerous

its a great system

[brisk hill]

I mean the reason clans exited from the dawn of RuneScape is because the best resources were in the wilderness

& people teamed up to help each survive / gather resources

I mean we’re talking about like 2004 here ^

It’s not supposed to be fair for all, there has to be a loser unfortunately

[minor whale]

The fact elo isn't in BH is really funny because they have a functional elo system in place in pvp arena it's just nobody does pvp arena because 0 rewards

And once they add in a BH iteration they simply never update it until they remove it

[brisk hill]

The elo system in there is fucking broken. Too high of a lvl & you’ll ever get a fight lmfao

[meager flame]

ya its because the real enemy of pvp succeeding is jagex

people would rather just pvp with each other in comment sections

instead of realizing it

[minor whale]

Because it's like nobody actually does pvp arena for very long

Most people use it to get imbues and then never again

Because there's absolutely 0 reason to

[merry verge]

yeah it's not really bad at all. Zombie pirates are for example added in lower wildy like lvl 9 or so just for this very reason to add more content for pvp builds at lower brackets

[brisk hill]

looks at my 16k surge sack stack

[minor whale]

It's arguably faster to just instant leave and not get your elo up

[brisk hill]

The best thing for PvP at the arena is untradable

[minor whale]

Because you get slower fights as you won

[onyx quest]

they def gotta just keep adding more wildy updates its like the coolest area in game and needs more love

[meager flame]

like there has been nothing stopping them from going for real integrity changes that make sense like providing places for ranked pvp with worthwhile rewards and so on

[onyx quest]

especially the lore about it

[brisk hill]

Do you wildy often?

[meager flame]

i mean they could do untradable/supplies/cosmetics etc and it would work if they did it the right way

[brisk hill]

PvP or pvm?

Just curious 👍

[minor whale]

They're deathly afraid of it being botted

It's a dumb fear

[onyx quest]

pvper and pvmer

[merry verge]

+1, I also do pvp arena quite often, like weekly, either to warm up before actually pking with risk, or just to try some different new setups and ideas & inventories etc.

I do wish they improved it and added more items to it tho... (https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1461962453465436357)

[meager flame]

but their* no effort pvp strat just wont work

[minor whale]

When everything is botted

[onyx quest]

I'm like a D tier Pvmer and a D tier Pvper

😎

[brisk hill]

Same

[minor whale]

That too
Why isn't it everything available

It's really dumb what is and isn't on the table

[meager flame]

that's because

[brisk hill]

I do it just for sacks rly.. if they made sacks tradeable id likely never return :/

[minor whale]

The items should just be like the beta world table

[meager flame]

its a half assed update

that probably wasn't even intended to work

[minor whale]

It's not even half assed

There's not a whole cheek on the seat

[meager flame]

they just had to put something where the duel arena was

[brisk hill]

Nahh pvp arena had hella rewards

[minor whale]

It's basically squatting over the toilet

[brisk hill]

They were voted no tho

So Jagex tried

[chrome lantern]

The cosmetics were so bad

[onyx quest]

Wildy lore is so cool "the god wars took place here it used to be fertile land but now its super dead and cursed lookin"

me summing it up

[meager flame]

ya but the problem is they didnt really try

think about this

[minor whale]

The cosmetics came in anyway

In BH

[chrome lantern]

And no PvMer was going to vote yes on super void

[minor whale]

Some at least

[chrome lantern]

Not the arma or bandos thankfully

[zenith pike]

and they were terrible

[meager flame]

when yama and doom rewards got discussed and everyone freaked out and said they sucked and battled online over it all day for weeks

did jagex just release the bosses with no rewards

no

they fixed it

[chrome lantern]

BH kits might just be my least favorite kits in the game as well yeah

[onyx quest]

Hot Take: Make pest control go faster.

[meager flame]

but when it was the pvp arena they immediately laid down and died

[minor whale]

And then everything that could possibly be worthwhile to add were voted no on because "we can't add uniques to a safe pvp minigame I guess"

[chrome lantern]

Actually the LMS ward and staff kits are probably worse

[meager flame]

they obviously dont care about pvp

[onyx quest]

we need pest control points rework

[minor whale]

I like the elder Maul kit

That's it

[onyx quest]

i should be able to get void within 5 hrs

[brisk hill]

Unfortunately we are the minority as everyone is reiterating over&over

Ofc pvm will be adjusted lol

[chrome lantern]

It’s 60% faster with Hard Combat Achievements

[meager flame]

ya im just saying you can just look at their actions and see jagex does in fact not care about pvp

[onyx quest]

still too slow ;/

[meager flame]

minimum effort is all it gets

[brisk hill]

What’s most unfortunate is that they will still run DMM & all stars & market pvp

Yet give nothing to it lol

[onyx quest]

gimme like 15 pts per pest control game pl0x

[frail bough]

unironically just bring back the portal bombing

[chrome lantern]

As in get rid of the shields?

[meager flame]

i also think internally something must be really weird about it

bc of that ash quote earlier

[brisk hill]

Please no this isn’t pest control chat

This is PvP cord thanks

[meager flame]

you can tell he realizes that they just didn't make pvp updates for people to actually pvp and that's how they got where they are

and he works there

[brisk hill]

Jesus man

[meager flame]

so wtf is going on in the background

[chrome lantern]

I will say that all 3 times I’ve done void I just end up being one of the 3 people that actually defends the knight and that’s pretty awful to do if you’ve done it and your team is barely holding on

[onyx quest]

i thought it was called #game-update

[brisk hill]

Nah we took it over last Monday

[meager flame]

i "defend" the knight

[harsh herald]

Tbh jagex need to start adding content without polling, they've lost the reigns with development because players have so much say (just look at how badly salvaging ended up)

[onyx quest]

o shit my bad

[minor whale]

Jagex probably realizes that a significant amount of the playerbase doesn't pvp, and actively dislikes it

They're a company at the end of the day

[meager flame]

as in i do enough to not get booted while i do anything else on earth

[vivid ruin]

This is pvpchat until further notice

[brisk hill]

One of us

[minor whale]

And if they think pvp affects their bottom line negatively

They're not gonna change it too aggressively to piss off the majority

[brisk hill]

Integrity changes would be needed to bring the wilderness back. Reddit /ironman victim mentality ruins it for those who engage in the content

[zinc galleon]

yeah polling is cute, but it's kind of a joke.

[chrome lantern]

Yeah then the knight dies because this is half the lobby and I either take twice as long or have to try and it sucks

[brisk hill]

Please lol

Stop typing about pc

[meager flame]

they cant think this way about it if they actually believe in pvp

[brisk hill]

😭

[meager flame]

the reason the pvp scene died is because jagex failed them so if jagex takes their own failure as a reason to not try thats an endless cycle of making sure it always sucks basically

[brisk hill]

PvPcord not pest control cord

[vivid ruin]

Didnt rs2/rs3 remove wildy and then add it back or something lol

[onyx quest]

my update suggestion: make it so going further away than 10 tiles doesnt break the freeze I have on my target cuz im bad

[brisk hill]

I believe it is still optional to this day LOL

[onyx quest]

doesnt

[minor whale]

Guys I know you care about pvp but this is a general channel for discussions about updates and potential updates
Trying to tell them not to chat in here is just gonna sabotage chances of an actual pvp channell

[brisk hill]

I’m sorry I’m just trolling

[vivid ruin]

This channel is only active shortly after updates anyways

[harsh herald]

In a lot of ways it has ruined the development of the game as has the iron-man mode in a lot of ways

[meager flame]

nah but seriously i think jagex is at a crossroads where it would be kinder for them to just decide they're really going to try and fix pvp or just tell everyone its cooked so they can give up

[minor whale]

I wouldn't say polling has ruined things, that's a bit of a stretch
It's stopped a few terrible ideas from getting through

[meager flame]

one of the two

[minor whale]

But over time Jagex stopped proposing risky ideas

[chrome lantern]

Nah this channel is pretty continually talked in throughout the week tbh, but yes more of a spike after updates

[onyx quest]

i agree with them doing more game integridy updates without asking our permission

[minor whale]

And started focusing more on things they think are surefire passes

So it lead to things being less and less interesting being polled

[onyx quest]

because a lot of players just hate geting killed by pkers and will vote no anything pvp

[zenith pike]

it standardized things I would consider to be relatively boring

[meager flame]

because what they do obviously isn't working they just make small tiny pvp updates every few years and there are way less people every year lol

[chrome lantern]

There was a time when I thought the game would be fine without polling then we saw things like Doom rewards blog rev 7

[brisk hill]

What small tiny updates though ykwim

There aren’t even those rly

[onyx quest]

link?

[chrome lantern]

And even though my vote doesn’t matter I vote no on half the awful ideas that come to polls

[brisk hill]

Like moons gear is cool& changed the meta

But didn’t do anything for PvP other than that

[meager flame]

like adding singles+ or trying to fuck around with teleporting back to the wild

[brisk hill]

Oh yeah agree

Misunderstood

[meager flame]

not actual content drops just like

a random attempt at doing something somehow

[vivid ruin]

Mob rule shouldn't control the updates that take place

[onyx quest]

ohyou mean the demon spade

i wanted that in the game so bad

[vivid ruin]

Bring back demonic digger yeah

[chrome lantern]

The spade was fine but the other rewards were not initially

[vivid ruin]

Gnomemonkey doesnt know wtf he is talking abt

[chrome lantern]

Like the thralls

[onyx quest]

^

[meager flame]

i mean the poll system is both the reason osrs is doing so well and why pvp is dead

[chrome lantern]

Tf was that

[meager flame]

well that and jagex just being too scared to do anything

[onyx quest]

oh nooo something is overpowered for FARMING what a tragedy for my game

[brisk hill]

You know what’s funny, someone said this the other day. Ppl were boycotting once when the removal of free trade & wildy was removed

Now ppl play a non trade game mode

& hate wildy

😭

[meager flame]

the demonic digger would've passed

[dawn jackal]

probably not the same people to be fair

[meager flame]

jagex just couldn't handle the idea of people having fun

like

[brisk hill]

Likely not but still interesting innit

[meager flame]

what if someone farmed their snape grass and didn't want to die

[frail bough]

also like 15 year difference

almost like people had time to lose shit in wild or somethin

[dawn jackal]

demonic digger is just so fortnite sounding

[meager flame]

like

[dawn jackal]

needed a better marketing team

[brisk hill]

Are you one of those ppl who lost things?

[meager flame]

what if efficient farming was faster and people planted more snape grass

[brisk hill]

Becuase I am too

[meager flame]

clearly the game would be ruined

gotta stop that quick

and to be clear its just a faster harvest time

total exp/hr would have mostly been unchanged

since all farming is time gated

but hey i mean

thats way too op and scary

look out

the bad shovel is coming

[onyx quest]

knowing now gnomemonkey's opinion is what made that not pass

wow he's just got the most punchable personality doesnt he

[meager flame]

ya they were completely out of their minds with the shovel tbh

[onyx quest]

Streamers be like: Let me make a youtube short that riggs the entire polls

[meager flame]

they were talking about daily scape etc and how they dont want that

[brisk hill]

Either way the wilderness was active before singles changed & even more so when there was a multi ecosystem that worked. Bring one of those 2 back & we will see life in the wildy

[meager flame]

and im sitting there like

[true talon]

i wanted it for prep chambers

[meager flame]

the fuck do you guys think the entire skill the shovel is for is

[restive storm]

Idk why jagex doesn’t understand that the wider playerbase will never be happy with the Wildy, and just make updates for the people that actually do like it lol

[harsh herald]

They did the exact same because leprechauns were removed.. they reverted those changes too

[brisk hill]

I truly just think it’s not worth peoples time atm

I understand ppl don’t want things to be easily botted atm

But it’s 2026 there’s no reason to mine rune rocks in wildy

[true talon]

your not getting old singles back, not in a million years and prob not gonna see the return of something like a multi-hotspot like old revs

[meager flame]

the funny thing about the leprechaun change is that it just needed minor adjustments because a few of them were in worse places

but instead their feelings got hurt and they rolled the entire thing back and pretended it never happened

[brisk hill]

Thanks(?)

I’m aware

[frail bough]

i actually do think we'll hear about some pvp stuff during summit next weekend

[true talon]

Blame your cartel level clan activities for that

[brisk hill]

Yeah DMM

That’s it prolly

[meager flame]

i mean we've been kind of on a heater complaining about pvp

so they might have added some more

[brisk hill]

If we applied this everywhere you wouldn’t have a game anymore but I get it

[vivid ruin]

The poll system is controlled by overhyped skillers

[true talon]

If pvpers didnt run hotspots and acitivies like an extortion racket, then they wouldnt had to fix it.

[meager flame]

thats not even their fault though

thats on jagex

of course they did that

[dawn jackal]

what does this even mean lol

[brisk hill]

Idk, that’s what the wilderness has always been

[dawn jackal]

theres like sub200 skillers in the game

[brisk hill]

Teaming to hold down

Its an MMO

[restive storm]

I don’t see why we wouldn’t is really the thing, it was objectively more active so idk why jagex wouldn’t go back to that

[brisk hill]

You’re supposed to team lol

[true talon]

yes all services like protection and boosting need to be snuffed out.

[vivid ruin]

Pvmers are essentially skillers in most cases

Zombies

[dawn jackal]

i would imagine if you asked a "pvmer" and a "skiller" their thoughts on matters you'd get some different opinions

but go off i guess

[brisk hill]

Rune rocks was held down for years & still is in f2p. Should they be banned?

I’d say no tbh

[meager flame]

i mean probably but that would mean jagex actually has to think and provide team pvp content that can't be easily controlled and moderate it to some degree

to stop things like win trading

[restive storm]

They don’t at all, that’s peak game design

[vivid ruin]

A skiller is a pvmers alt lmao

[meager flame]

but jagex doesn't want to invest time in making it good

[true talon]

ive never heard of a rune rock extortion protection racket lol

[restive storm]

Emergent player behavior like that, and the devilsaur mafia in classic wow is extremely engaging content

[brisk hill]

Because it’s not extortion, never said it was

Just that teaming to lock down areas has always been apart of the wilderness

[true talon]

What was going on in revs was exortion

[frail bough]

i mean they could probably fix the holding one spot down thing with some like terrain dynamics kinda shit or something

[brisk hill]

The ironmen didn’t complain

But I understand lol

[dawn jackal]

hmm if this praise the sun character wants to know more about skillers i'd be happy to help educate

[restive storm]

Man you coulda just hopped worlds lol

[vivid ruin]

Adding structures like ive been recommending

[restive storm]

You’re saying that like every world was held down upon entering the cave lol

[frail bough]

and with sailing allowing things like moving objects while being able to walk this would be feasible now

[vivid ruin]

Wildy is wide open for the most part

[brisk hill]

I mean at the very end of revs it was a civil war for the caves so I can understand that

[dawn jackal]

tassili do you think you're being a bit dramatic?

[brisk hill]

But like during the caves peak it was sick

[dawn jackal]

feel like you're not being very geniuine with your discussion!

[true talon]

yea you mean the 2200 worlds the most exclusive and protected worlds held down by cartel level activity? is good for the game lol.

[brisk hill]

It is

[restive storm]

Yes man use a different world

[brisk hill]

You mean co-op game play is bad?

In an MMO

….!

[restive storm]

Just cuz u can’t free farm content in 1 world doesn’t mean they gotta destroy content

[meager flame]

well

[restive storm]

It isn’t YOUR world

[meager flame]

stuff like that pretty much never ends up good in the end

because what it really turns into is a front for rwt where a lot of real people are involved not doing that

[true talon]

Rent must be due for rot members

[brisk hill]

Yeah but what you saw at the end of revs is the natural profession

[meager flame]

and it makes it harder to figure out who is selling the gold

[brisk hill]

Clans were tired of the way it was & revoked

Revolted

Like that’s good for the game

[minor whale]

Especially when paying for the protection got a few people banned for rwt lmao

[brisk hill]

If you say it’s not then idk

[brisk hill]

This is your main issue with PvP it seems

You’re upset at rot it seems

[restive storm]

Also did that guy just suggest terrain preventing locking down areas (I.e. escape caves 2.0)? Lmao

[vivid ruin]

I feel like i see clans like IF and VH more than any other

[brisk hill]

Because it works really well

[frail bough]

i meant more like keeping it a bit more dynamic

[restive storm]

W design WBR is awesome content

[brisk hill]

I’m not flaming, genuinely asking, what ya thinking?

Like how could you do this w/o making it ass cheeks

[true talon]

I like the escape tunnels

[frail bough]

honestly no idea how to not make it bad but encouraging people to move around instead of just camping could be cool

[true talon]

on pure its funny as fuck

[brisk hill]

Said no one ever

[frail bough]

i dont knwo how what i suggested is anything like escape tunnels tbh but i didnt really explain much

[brisk hill]

Only becuase escape caves tried to do what you are mentioning

[restive storm]

I too love spamming brews the entire time I’m in there

[brisk hill]

And it missed the mark pretty bad

But it’s a good idea

[frail bough]

i dont know how it does that though

[brisk hill]

No one has a clue how to do it

[brisk hill]

It forces you to bank & not camp

Typeless chip damage

That’s unavoidable

[restive storm]

Can’t hop in there too

Constant combat

[brisk hill]

^!

[frail bough]

yeah i mean more like terrain

not npcs

[brisk hill]

Hmm

[restive storm]

It’s horrendous

[true talon]

ya because if you could, youd enter from the only exit a player has which is bad design.

[brisk hill]

You mean something along the lines of not being able to tell above 30 wild

[vivid ruin]

I think extra run down buildings in wild would be beneficial

[frail bough]

like imagine you're in the wild and the "plates" shift or something and all of a sudden you and another team collide even though you werent' near eachother originally

[vivid ruin]

[minor whale]

Yo a Wildy labyrinth where the walls shift would be sick

[frail bough]

yeah like that ish

[brisk hill]

That does sound cool

[restive storm]

As opposed to right now you can’t hit them cuz they afk a scout outside and run away before you can hit them? That sounds like even worse design

[frail bough]

cut off from crew because you were too slow and now you get picked off

and then it forces you to run in to someone elses group or w/e

"forces" lightly here cause idk how to do that but yeah

[minor whale]

Or your pvp group gets split up and now 4 skulled pvmers are alone with 1 pker

[true talon]

you just station everyone at each exit and then send someone in to flush em out.

[minor whale]

Until they can run around

[brisk hill]

Great 1v4 predator vs prey

Sarcasm sorry

Idk how they’d implement

Sounds fun as fk tho

[frail bough]

yeah idk how to make it not ass but the concept seems cool

[minor whale]

It's one of those things that's technically doable but is never gonna happen

[brisk hill]

You know what thinking about this…

This was multi revs…

You know how many times I’d go into caves to try & spec out someone & the entire cave attacked me

A lot!

Because it wasn’t just an extortion ring

[zinc galleon]

mmoRPg btw

[brisk hill]

Mmo single man no trade no talking no interacting btw

[restive storm]

I wasn’t allowed to free farm 2200 revs without being attacked ever so the whole Wildy was involved in racketeering

Open the RICO case

[true talon]

it was every total w and every non + 1 world

every bh world

[restive storm]

Yeah, so like ten worlds out of 100

[minor whale]

I think they could have easily dealt with the protection racket shit without disabling multi across the entirety of revs
Like everyone knew which worlds it was set up on, surely some mods could have gone in occasionally and handed out some temporary bans and it would have dissolved quickly

[restive storm]

Just go to a different one lol you don’t own the total worlds

[true talon]

a lot of the normal worlds too

dont pretend like it didnt exist

[zinc galleon]

team up or clan up then bucko

[brisk hill]

But then you get into the issue of: is what they’re doing actually against the game rules? If there’s rwt involved, sure. But otherwise?

[restive storm]

If they weren’t rwting then absolutely not, they didn’t do anything wrong. If they were rwting then yeah ban them

[brisk hill]

What’s the difference between that & a team holding down GWD in 1 world?

[true talon]

your not getting your exortion racket back lol

[vivid ruin]

You shouldnt be playing rs without a clan of some sort tbh

[restive storm]

I wasn’t in one of those clans man I hit the noobs on those worlds

[true talon]

Last attempt you had at that was wrathmaw

[brisk hill]

You’re* & that’s oki I still run the wilderness anyways lol

[restive storm]

We were all pures with 2k and were in and out before anyone could hit us

[true talon]

Appearntly you dont run anything, because you crying about how bad pvp is 🙂

[brisk hill]

Nope I still run it lol

[minor whale]

A lot of times it was definitely rwt, people would get rwt bans occasionally for trading the protection money account
Let's not pretend that most of the racket didn't go towards rwt, even though I think multi revs should absolutely come back

[restive storm]

I’ve also made more with singles+ than I ever did before and it isn’t close, I stand to lose gp/h if multi revs or singles+ gets reverted

[true talon]

Oh no i fear the man who rules over a kingdom of garbage

[brisk hill]

You do because everything you say is loaded with sarcasm

[vivid ruin]

Of course an ironman would disagree with playing with people on an mmorpg

[brisk hill]

You’re obviously upset man

I’m sorry.

[true talon]

im not. im just messing with you lol

[brisk hill]

But we are trying to suggest things to make the wilderness better

And it’s ignorant to argue

A multi ecosystem

Wouldn’t help

[true talon]

Most of what you suggest is making it better for you, your large clans and wanting to build another exortion service.

[restive storm]

Agreed, and then he says we shouldn’t make our changes, then talks about how dead/garbage it is at the moment now that the updates he likes are in it lol

[brisk hill]

Try to just look at it from a different angle

Did it bring activity to the game? Yes

[true talon]

No it didnt

[brisk hill]

Did it bring people to the wildy? Yes

[brisk hill]

O.O