ya its just inefficient ui layout
#game-update
meager flame
chrome lantern
That shows up very clearly and with plenty of time?
torpid delta
yeah, where if you look at the box waiting for it, surprise it's a shield attack instead
chrome lantern
Good thing you can both see and hear it coming
meager flame
i probably wouldn't even think about it if i hadn't played other games where i could create my entire ui and kind of problem solve the most efficient layout to feed the important information while focusing on fighting bosses
chrome lantern
And then still have plenty of time to look
meager flame
but tldr osrs sucks at it
chrome lantern
Where are you proposing putting this information?
meager flame
for a lot of people thats mostly personal preference but usually a theme is that its centered so you see it without a lot of effort
while you're focusing on what you're doing
so things in corners of the screen are usually a no go
chrome lantern
So what would you do to convey that Olm is firing an orb of dexterity at you?
Other than
-Green ball
-Chat message highlighted green
-Sound
meager flame
theres a bunch of different things but i'd either have my character just put the same text above my head that nobody else could see
or maybe put a graphic on me thats the same color
chrome lantern
Nah
meager flame
etc
chrome lantern
That's just bad graphically
meager flame
it depends on if im the game dev
or the player fixing the problem
bc the player is just gonna do what they can do to put the information somewhere easy to see
chrome lantern
That's best used extremely sparingly and only where it really makes sense like cough and burn
meager flame
but the dev can rethink the whole thing and make it clear which orb is yours
it could even be as simple as hiding other people's orbs
so there can be no confusion
chrome lantern
Or you just know "I see an orb, what does my chatbox say"
meager flame
you can just see yours and know its yours
icy relic
I wouldn't mind a duke-style screen glow
chrome lantern
It's not like it's hidden
meager flame
watchdog though is the player solution
where they just pick up certain chat box messages and display it somewhere more obvious
small anvil
watchdog is also like way too powerful
chrome lantern
Watchdog seriously needs to be disallowed
meager flame
yeah im not talking about the really insane stuff it can do
small anvil
but yes i dont like the chat message stuff
chrome lantern
I would say even at its base level
meager flame
just the basic "drink a divine lad" you see over people's heads etc
small anvil
having to look away from the main section of the screen to get info
meager flame
if you watch them play
small anvil
is bad
meager flame
thats watchdog
chrome lantern
Yeah that's way too far
meager flame
i mean its not even crazy its doing what the chat box does
just putting it not in the bottom left of the screen
chrome lantern
Then read the chatbox
meager flame
why not make it better
chrome lantern
I don't see that as better
small anvil
theres a bunch of ui things i'd appreciate
meager flame
now there are things watchdog can do that should just be flat out banned
small anvil
i wish i could define a cetner point for the camera
meager flame
like turning plugins on and off
small anvil
so much of teh space i'd wanna use is covered by inv and chat box
when playing on a small window but not fixed mode
meager flame
ya the actual ui design of osrs is brutal
small anvil
its incredibly antiquated and people have gotten used to it
but like there's a reason people swore by fixed mode for the longest time
and you cant replicate that with the more modern ui versions
meager flame
idk exactly how to even fix some of it because its just how the game works
chrome lantern
Which brings me back to the point
meager flame
but they could start by letting peopl resize some ui elements without making the others massive
small anvil
be able to move where your char (and thus center of camera rotation) is
chrome lantern
It doesn't need fixing if it isn't an issue in the first place
chrome lantern
How
small anvil
the ui is kinda just objectively not well designed
chrome lantern
That seems very subjective
small anvil
no other game do i play not full screened because it makes the ui awful
like from a first principles standpoint
narrow folio
Not ideal for full screen doesnt mean its badly designed
small anvil
there's a lot of things the UI does not great
i would want to play on full screen but the UI makes it untenable
meager flame
i mean it kind of does mean its badly designed lol they offer a full screen option so
it should probably strive to be good
narrow folio
The main issue is mouse movement
icy relic
having to tab is bad tbh
narrow folio
But it's a point and click game
meager flame
i mean its not even unfixable
narrow folio
So no matter how you design it, it will suck in full screen
meager flame
you just let people scale ui elements separately
small anvil
if i could scale up the ui without it being awful and just play on higher sensitivity it would be better
meager flame
and move them around
narrow folio
No matter how you move it, going from character movement to inventory action...
meager flame
that way you can have a full screen game but your inventory isn't miles away from anything you'd even be looking at or clicking
and so on
runelite does a lot of the heavy lifting already
chrome lantern
I feel like it's a bit of a stretch to say the UI is a problem if that's your only issue with it
small anvil
theres other issues thats the most glaring
narrow folio
Get it? Stretch. Stretched mode.
meager flame
thats the thing
stretched mode is a really bad solution to what i was talking about
the default client is actually better at it
because it scales ui but not game world
it just needs to let you scale things like say
your chat box separately from your inventory
so you can get a nicely sized inventory and put it closer to the center
without having a chat the size of texas
stuff like that is also very good if you plan on supporting things like an ultra wide monitor
silk thicket
be able to move where your char (and thus center of camera rotation) is
Ya this would be great
I wrote rl plugin that does it BUT unfortunately it looks terrible
restive storm
I’ve played this game for 20+ years and I legit don’t even know what yall are talkin ab rn
silk thicket
Because you have to actually “remove” parts of the viewport from the right hand side
meager flame
yeah
small anvil
squintz are you a fixed mode only person or smth
silk thicket
You can’t move stuff to the left and make it longer
Because then your mouse position doesn’t match visually vs where the game registers
Which isn’t something RL can fix
Soooo yes if we could get a GAME UPDATE to allow it that’d be nice asf
icy relic
I am fine with where most of the UI elements are
I just think it would be nice to not have to tab to prayers/spells
like it's not that big of a deal but it feels strange not having everything you need in one package
meager flame
that part they probably wouldn't let us change
small anvil
like i can click maybe 5 tiles right, and 15 left in my current screen setup
meager flame
but giving us some fairly basic options to compensate for like
silk thicket
I’ve played this game for 20+ years and I legit don’t even know what yall are ta...
If u play fixed mode ur char is centred in middle of clickable area if u play resizeable it’s centred in the middle of the client, which is fairly close to the inventory. It means resizable nhers have opponent going behind inv more
icy relic
I fundamentally do not think fighting the UI is a good form of skill expression
meager flame
client size or ultrawide monitors etc seems like a small ask
icy relic
in any game
small anvil
i think so too jif
meager flame
bc like imagine rn you tried to play 4k full screen ultrawide
small anvil
part of why i think the wildy specific ui stuff is bad too
i dont think clicking a tiny spell icon is a good form of skill expression
meager flame
lmao you'd probably actually turn your head
to see your inventory after reading chat
silk thicket
I messed around with removing part of the viewport and I think removing like 50% of the inventory width gave best results
It just looks soooooo bad
silk thicket
i dont think clicking a tiny spell icon is a good form of skill expression
U think it’d make it easier to learn but it’d just make the skill gap wider
zinc galleon
i dont think clicking a tiny spell icon is a good form of skill expression
Solution: keybind 1234/qwer to spells/prayers
😉
silk thicket
Noobs like 3 tick barrage and good pkers will now 1t a 5 way instead of a 3 way
meager flame
Solution: keybind 1234/qwer to spells/prayers
they can never allow this
small anvil
yeah but like the justification was "oh but my muslce memory skill!"
meager flame
i would be port khazard immediately lmao
small anvil
and jagex just instantly caved
small anvil
ya keybinds on prayers or hell using items would be so insane for peoples ability to do things in game
zinc galleon
they can never allow this
Yeah it’s a bit of a joke, because people do it with ahk and yes it’s not allowed 😆
small anvil
thats like a consistent design decision on limitations
meager flame
ya ik lol
small anvil
which i think adds to the difficulty people experience
meager flame
it would just be incredible how much better they would make me instantly because tbh
small anvil
the camera being screwy is not
silk thicket
yeah but like the justification was "oh but my muslce memory skill!"
Meh it’s not exactly a skill the barrage icon is like a full inv slot in size
small anvil
nor is UI being tiny
meager flame
the hardest part of osrs is just the click speed/accuracy once you know whats happening
small anvil
i didnt mean tiny necessarily, just that its got issues
either too small and far away or covers too much screen type stuff
meager flame
it actually can just be too small/too far away etc
meager flame
because they don't really allow us options that make sense
and we end up relying on runelite to let us drag stuff or stretched mode etc
thats why most of us that really play for a long time are playing on smaller clients etc
limber creek
just play any other mmo if you want abilities on keys.
Runescape is unique in its gameplay and it works.
small anvil
not at all what anyone was genuinely suggesting
silk thicket
Pics for reference for ppl that dunno what we talking about
limber creek
not at all what anyone was genuinely suggesting
Oh okay i had just gathered that because the guy exactly said that.
small anvil
ya you have like 2 tiles of room to the right and 6 to the left
silk thicket
Look how close character is to invy which can’t be clicked through
small anvil
(they were being facetious)
meager flame
ya thats why fixed mode ends up actually being good if you can stand it
small anvil
mostly we've been complaining that the UI design just sucks
you could have teh fixed mode's camera location
without requiring the size of fixed mode
silk thicket
ya thats why fixed mode ends up actually being good if you can stand it
I stand by the best solution being somewhere between the two
small anvil
and it'd be wonderful
zinc galleon
Only time i play stretch mode is in minigames like gotr or tempoross
limber creek
this was caused by the recent game update?
silk thicket
Bcos fixed mode the opponent is further so more mouse movement
meager flame
yeah if i could go fight jagex and get them to make the ui better
silk thicket
In between there is a sweet spot
small anvil
its been that way forever 365
meager flame
i would basically demand modern viewport options
limber creek
Yeah i know so why we talkin about it in here
meager flame
ui scaling based on individual pieces of the ui as well
small anvil
discussion came from other talk of bad UI design
small anvil
and hopes for improvements to one day come
icy relic
people really need to learn the difference between a game being good because of something versus in spite of it
meager flame
basically that way
people if they want to play 4k full screen etc could do that
drag their inventory over scale it up so its not built for ants
small anvil
ya the prayer click to activate is a fine limitation to have
meager flame
the game world still looks correctly scaled and nice
and they can go play the game in peace
small anvil
but fighting the UI is not good practice generallys speaking
silk thicket
We should def be able to re-centre the camera without messing the mouse canvas location
meager flame
but yeah my own setup would probably be grabbing the viewport and resizing it to be not that big but nice
silk thicket
Plz update
meager flame
and then having a fixed mode ui attached to it
small anvil
and the fact that people play on a resolution they would rather not, for the sake of gameplay, is a like AWFUL thing to have
meager flame
the base ui does fix that one kind of
they have a unified ui scaling option that doesn't scale the game world
but it has the downside of doing things like
okay my inventory is big enough now and my chat box is insanely huge for no reason
and you just cant have one without the other lol
theres also a runelite plugin for resizing chat box
its kind of buggy unfortunately
limber creek
like playing on fixed screen because its most efficient for pvp?
small anvil
yes, thats part of a UI thing thats silly with the game
and i think its largely the camera
narrow folio
What
meager flame
yeah its because fixed mode has a nice viewport setup where you see the entire game world and your ui is attached to it on the side
rather than covering parts of it up
limber creek
Well its less space between clicks. You can actually remedy this your side if you'd like 😄 by turning up your own pc's resolution
narrow folio
No it's the mouse movement between screen and inventory
limber creek
or turning down i should say 😄
narrow folio
Yeah
minor whale
UI scaling should be separate things you can scale individually instead of scaling all or none at the same rate tbh
narrow folio
Full screen will never be good because if you have a large space to click you increase travel distance no matter what
meager flame
so you're compactly able to see the entire game
but your ui isn't built for ants to accommodate it
like it would be on resizable
small anvil
@narrow folio see these pics
narrow folio
You want resizeable inventory while in stretched mode then?
small anvil
to see what we mean when camera centering should be changable
minor whale
You can raise your mouse sensitivity while keeping full screen and it's the same overall effect as lower sensitivity smaller movements
There's quite a lot of very good pvmers who use full screen for the benefits it also provides
meager flame
You want resizeable inventory while in stretched mode then?
you really don't want stretched mode at all
icy relic
full screen wouldn't be an issue if you can have important UI elements near where you click them
meager flame
thats basically a ghetto fix from runelite
because they cant get at the real problem
they just scale the entire game up with stretched mode
minor whale
Modern resizable full screen you can move most elements to where you want them to be
small anvil
i dont want text box taking up a giant amount of real estate
narrow folio
Hm
small anvil
i do want a larger inventory in full screen
meager flame
if you open the base client rn
small anvil
i want to be able to click the same number of tiles right as left of my char
while having an inventory that is decently sized
meager flame
you'll see they have a scaling option that only scales the interface
instead of the game world
limber creek
yeah and it'd be nice if i could click anywhere in the spell book and auto hit my ice barrage like a pvm timmy.
Its just not how it works sorry boys.
meager flame
and looks much sharper than stretched mode
thats what you want
its like half of the fix
if they had applied that to each piece of the ui separately it would be great
so each had their own slider
tacit wharf
i want to be able to click the same number of tiles right as left of my char
nothing pissed me off more, than trying learn door alter and my character being off center and the inventory covering up the alter
meager flame
but sadly its all or nothing atm
so you scale up the stuff you click on which is good
but also get the massive chatbox
which isn't good lol
the viewport thing is something else entirely
i dont recommend getting to into looking at the rs3 ui since its awful
but they do give you a very good viewport option
small anvil
difficulty should come from intentional design choices (clicking prayers) not from fighting the UI
meager flame
you just straight up get to resize the playable space however you want and then place your ui around it
like for example when i was afking things on rs3 one time for money during some kind of event
icy relic
difficulty should come from intentional design choices (clicking prayers) not fr...
then again this is the entire difficult of awakened levi and vard
meager flame
i built an L shaped ui so i could put osrs in the middle of it and set the window to always on top
icy relic
if not for having to 1-tick pray + movement these fights would be completely free
small anvil
i'm saying clicking prayers is a fine difficulty lever to have
while the UI covering shit up that you'd wanna click on isnt
meager flame
which honestly if osrs had that many options i'd never complain again
small anvil
or tiny UI
meager flame
but i doubt they ever go that far lol
silk thicket
Let us do this! Left is what we want
tacit wharf
you know another spot i hate, is the start of sol
fkin with my camera and then i have to readjust
small anvil
does it change camera angle on you
ya i hate that
cinematic scene is fine but put my camera back the way you found it
tacit wharf
while running to sol and getting my prayers back on, cuz it turns them off if after u hit accept (another thing i hate)
tacit wharf
its not even that they change my camera, its that it put it at an angel that no1 would use
flat down
chrome lantern
I really wish there were a toggle option to disable all forced camera changes
tacit wharf
like i could understand moving it up and above
limber creek
If it takes you more than half a second to adjust your camera thats a you problem though.
tacit wharf
im just going to go ahead and block u now
small anvil
"its fine cuz thats the way it is" is a silly take
chrome lantern
It's not about the time it takes to fix it, it's just unnecessary and annoying
tacit wharf
honestly annoying the last week
silk thicket
Currently this is the only way to do it plugin wise but I didn’t even try to put it on plugin hub bcos it’s so ugly
There’s no other solution without jagex’s help D:
minor whale
There's a lot of content made annoying by the odd forced perspectives
They fixed sailing at Gwenith 3rd portal and they fixed another one relatively recently too
limber creek
honestly annoying the last week
There's no need to be upset my friend. Quit being rude.
small anvil
Currently this is the only way to do it plugin wise but I didn’t even try to put...
can you make the view area bigger and just have some off screen to the left?
silk thicket
can you make the view area bigger and just have some off screen to the left?
Unfortunately not, because it takes the mouse canvas position relative to the client start point regardless of where the viewport starts (eg off to the left)
There’s no way to change that either
small anvil
yuck
silk thicket
I tried messing around with some stuff but the tl;dr is there a variable called viewport x offset that would fix it but it’s inaccessible by runelite
So we need jagex
minor whale
Would you say the variable is
Obfuscated
silk thicket
Something like that 😄
limber creek
They should remove that big pillar from the middle of bloat room while were at it because i have to turn my camera to see him.
minor whale
That's not what anyone is suggesting or even close to suggesting
limber creek
tob qol or w/e removes bloats floor to see the feet easier which is dope im ngl
chrome lantern
I see people playing with the skyboxes and it just makes me want to vomit looking at it
narrow folio
Have u seen nightmare bossing where they hide the whole floor and area
Leaves it colored with tile markers
meager flame
that sometimes looks okay depending on the color they pick
any time players do that though it means the jagex art team failed
limber creek
its pretty bad lol
meager flame
bc basically what it boils down to is that their graphic to display stuff is too hard to see against the rest of the floor
and players are doing whatever they can to delete that shit so they can see better
chrome lantern
I don't even think that's true though
It's pretty easy to see what's going on
Never remotely felt a need for it at doom, nightmare, or bloat
meager flame
so you think they're removing the floor for no reason
chrome lantern
Yes
meager flame
like they obviously are struggling to see lol
limber creek
i can see it both ways. But i feel the bloat floor does help at least a little lol.
brisk hill
PvP channel has turned into raids channel GREAT
chrome lantern
I think people just get told it helps instead of actually thinking critically and trying to look at what's on the screen
limber creek
probably is o ne of those. You think it does so it does things though.
brisk hill
Save wildy 
chrome lantern
After you see it for 10 minutes it's pretty obvious what you're lookingat
brisk hill
Back to work
minor whale
I think the art team does a good job at making the floors look good but people inevitably will minmax towards "I think this might mess me up possibly so I'm gonna make it flat and unambiguous"
limber creek
PvP channel has turned into raids channel GREAT
turning camera is very hard beast. Theyve made some good points.
meager flame
I think the art team does a good job at making the floors *look* good but people...
ya sometimes they actually mess up too
like on yama for example there are some scenery pieces on the side
that will conceal flames that are about to move towards you
chrome lantern
I don't see how Doom for example could possibly be ambiguous though
meager flame
unless you turn your camera a specific way
chrome lantern
It's literally just nothing on the floor a very clear shadow or a vibrant acid splat
meager flame
idk it depends like if someone is already having trouble seeing things in that room
making the floor brighter to contrast with the shadows is going to make it easier to see
limber creek
🦀🦀 The worse the multi is for us. The worse the multi is gonna be for other humans. 🦀 🦀
🦀 🦀 Allow us to destroy the bots and save the economy that we can actually control 🦀 🦀
🦀 🦀 1t Tele delay below 30. Multi Rev caves. Zombie Pirates to 35 wilderness. 🦀 🦀
restive storm
They fr gotta fix the Wildy 🦀 we’re down atrocious, 🦀 y jagex no respond 🦀 only listen to Reddit crabs 🦀
🦀I just use middle mouse to move camera 🦀
blissful topaz
Hello jagex can u turn on the bot detection, the f2p bots have tripled or even 4x'd in amount compared to december 2025....
scarlet dawn
Boosts player count
blissful topaz
limber creek
🦀I just use middle mouse to move camera 🦀
yeah its not hard but i got blocked for pointing that out lol
Thank goodness they dont have to move their camera to catch some dude racksoning everywhere.
restive storm
Thank goodness they dont have to move their camera to catch some dude racksoning...
Mfw the bloodbark warrior starts hitting 5 way 1t entangles while flying all over the place
winter marsh
Any dmm news? Feels like radio silence
ember token
there will be a blog next week
ember grove
yeah, also probably a segment at the summit
winter marsh
Ok that's nice thanks
limber creek
we're in #old-school for pvp talk come join us
hard axle
They fixed sailing at Gwenith 3rd portal and they fixed another one relatively r...
the crate u normally wiggled for is still broken iric
hasty shard
what the helly keel parts have the same xp value as platebodies
true talon
<:scrongle:1437386822887018507> what the helly keel parts have the same xp value...
rune keel parts were 330k+ exp an hour an profitable on release.
true talon
chrome lantern
forfor to mention that yesterday
Or whichever time that was
When we were talking about the 100 something sheets
2 more if you want a fathom pearl too
Putting it at 796 nails
For a two hooks/cannons and 1 of everything else that requires sheets
true talon
whats the fantom pearl for
dont the shoals never move lol
well they always in the same spot
tacit wharf
to locate along it path
tacit wharf
so saves 1 or 2 mins at the start of yr trip, which i guess some find they want to use
meager flame
they did too much
for example theres a lot of things you can upgrade but not too many ways to get upgrades so it ends up being "kill 5 million frost dragons"
true talon
2026 is the year of fixing sailing ofc
meager flame
when realistically they should've just waited and been like
trying to put those rewards on interesting content as they got to making interesting content
rather than trying to make a few random npcs carry the entire burden
and just asking you to get 100 sheets or whatever
true talon
only reason im doing the frost dragons is because i also need a visage lol
chrome lantern
The fathom pearl is kinda pointless yeah
true talon
Then this is just 1 boat....... look at these rates wtf
meager flame
thats the ol im putting this in the game but i dont really want you guys to get them
chrome lantern
I mean you're supposed to just smith the large keel parts
chrome lantern
But if you include the keel/large keel then it's ~1/122 vampire krakens to get a dragon sheet equivalent
chrome lantern
Like this is pretty much on-rate for dragon-sheet-equivalence
limber creek
Maybe building a boat is supposed to take a while.
And they are still updating things with sailing including combat etc soon we'd hope.
Hell what about boat pvp 
chrome lantern
(200 kills on mobile where I got another paint)
meager flame
honestly killing vampyre krakens was an existential experience
im sitting there on my boat asking questions like
why am i even logged in right now
lmao
limber creek
i killed like 3 sharks and decided boat combat wasn't for me lmao
chrome lantern
why am i even logged in right now
Because they'll probably fix the safespot xd
true talon
Maybe building a boat is supposed to take a while.
And they are still updating t...
boat pvp with the current state of normal pvp l0l
limber creek
ikr lolol
true talon
i trained to 56 sailing without even sailing by doing land bounties, before they nerfed it.
meager flame
i halfway want them to just drop wilderness boat pvp
chrome lantern
They did say "sailing combat is our top priority" or something to that effect
limber creek
people gonna be on mahogany rafts ragging in deep sailderness
meager flame
because i want to see the train crash
but i honestly think theres a 0% chance its good lmao
limber creek
i bet we get a sailderness channel before a pvp channel.
true talon
tern gaming
meager flame
there are few ideas where im just not rolling at all
and ship pvp is one of them
just imagining the insane like
oversights and rule adjustments they'd freak out and implement
it would be a disaster lol
true talon
its crazy a max boat cost you like 300m right now lol
chrome lantern
Don't you want to use boat entangle then boat wiggle back and forth before speeding up back under your target
meager flame
i do think they could make ship pvp a for fun minigame that would be hilarious
chrome lantern
Think about how epic it would be to do pvp while going between 3 interfaces and trying to tell cabin boy jenkins to repair your boat while you toggle the combat tab back and forth between combat and ship controls
meager flame
but they should probably start there before they think about people actually risking
chrome lantern
/s
meager flame
to get the insane stuff out of the way
maybe thats the league
ship wars island only league
i did see they were thinking about doing some kind of content creator team dmm thing that wasn't dmm allstars
i kind of wonder if they're doing the thing i suggested a few times where you random sort a bunch of people into massive teams and you basically have dmm turf wars
it seems like a safe way to get people into multi pvp since they'd just get assigned a team
wouldn't have to actually know anyone just mass up with the other guys that are the same team as you
silk thicket
Plz don’t even joke about ship pvp
limber creek
or just fix multi pvp in the first place
meager flame
i really do think that part of what osrs pvp needs is just kind of
to give people a kick in the ass and get them out there to just see it can be fun
limber creek
incentive.... which multi revs was perfect for
vivid ruin
I think a tutorial of a sort would be beneficial
meager flame
theres a lot of people that just wont leave their comfort zone in the normal game but i think if you could make it fun with a big team based dmm or whatever
they'd probably get sucked in because there aren't any real stakes for them
small anvil
No risk 1v1 nh elo based matchmaking
limber creek
we have pvp arena already we dont care about it
meager flame
thats how you get them absolutely spanked in placements
i think people would care about pvp arena if jagex didn't quit on life with that update
small anvil
Ranked ladders get people all sorts of feelings
meager flame
it has the bones of a good idea they just didn't follow through like
for example
lets say you play pvp arena and you're the best the highest elo in the game and we pretend its not a joke for a second
limber creek
gp incentive.
meager flame
you get nothing for that you cant show off there is no compeition there aren't any cosmetics to say you're the best
etc
if jagex had actually followed through with making it a real ladder with cosmetics and a reason to want to climb
it would be very different
small anvil
Ranked solo, 2v2, 5v5 matchmaking with some end of season rewards couldn't be that hard to do
Idk why they didn't take inspiration from other games for that
limber creek
thats dev time that would take away from the 1 pvp update we get every 2 years though man. We dont want that we want a revived multi
thatd be a great step after though!
meager flame
lmao im kinda pissed about it bc i basically suggested their pvp arena months before it existed
so i feel like they probably did read what i said
but then forgot half of it
limber creek
i fw the idea heavy. if its after multi is revit
small anvil
If the goal is get people into pvping I think a ladder like that maybe helps
limber creek
i def like it
small anvil
Build it out of the bones of lms or Deadman finale
limber creek
turn ur ags into a lightsaber cause ur odablock or somethin
small anvil
But yeah the real problem is jagex having no interest in pvp updates cuz it's not economically a great idea for them
And things just fail in polls
meager flame
i just cant get over the arena bc like
they did all of the hard parts
then quit
lmao like its so close to being a good update
small anvil
They did cuz the rewards all failed right
true talon
Ya arena is sick, i do when i need imbues lol
but its mostly me boosting myself, because no1 is there
meager flame
ya they went rogue with rewards
true talon
there are people there obviously staking/cheating though
meager flame
instead of figuring out what made sense for like
small anvil
I never went to the arena TBH
meager flame
idk a competitive arena with elo
they tried to offer some random quest skip items and stuff like that
got told to die by the players
and quit
true talon
There was cool cosmetic kits an stuff, they are still in the game files.
thats why they were voted down
ember token
there was a bunch of perfectly fine cosmetic kits that failed too yeah
meager flame
i think those were the rehashed lms recolors weren't that they failed before that
true talon
Most the cosmetics in bounty hunter was in the pvp arena
true talon
there is some unique ones
meager flame
i think they basically enraged people with quest skip rewards
got blanket voted no
and that was that
true talon
and also like bando's kit and armadyl kit
ember token
chrome lantern
I really am glad that those didn't pass they look so bad
meager flame
i feel like they honestly dont fit anyways
except maybe the claws
you'd think the pvp arena cosmetics would be like
items you're using to compete in the pvp arena
floral blaze
to give people a kick in the ass and get them out there to just see it can be fu...
Many people have made up their mind about pvp without even giving it a try
true talon
floral blaze
The pker bad echochamber is massive
limber creek
pvp makes the best content to watch imo
its the highest skill cap (subjectively) there is and the riskiest content in game.
i hate that the arguement is never dang Why aren't pvmers incentivized enough to want to join in?
meager flame
tbh i dont even really think its subjective that its highest skill cap
out thinking other real people will always be the hardest thing
limber creek
i dont solo level 600 8 man toa's by myself though
small anvil
There's a lot of barriers to entry largely from it being expensive and people hating losing stuff
limber creek
so i cant speak on it
meager flame
even without first hand experience its like
small anvil
And people having scarred memories of dying for something in the wild
meager flame
in any good competitive game two good players can try and figure each other out and get better
at the end of the day killing npcs though doesn't change
small anvil
That's why I think a ladder with no risk is the way to go
For getting people into it
true talon
Was gonna be pvp armor for all 3 styles and there was pure/zerker/piety breeds
floral blaze
PVP thrived when it was protected by it being a social environment
true talon
I think this later got put in BH as the pvp armor
floral blaze
In the wilderness that is
meager flame
i just cant believe jagex completed the content and released it but didn't actually finish it
and just actually abandoned it
limber creek
I wonder if we have enough discussion yet for the pvp channel.
Isn't it ironic that even the official jagex discord gatekeeps pking lmao
meager flame
its super out of character
small anvil
I think they saw the votes and said ok the people have spoken
And tossed it in the bin
Gave up on anything pvp actually passing a pool
Poll
Integrity updates only from now on!
meager flame
ya its just cringe that they gave up instead of figuring it out
floral blaze
They just dont want to get shit on by their reddit army
meager flame
they didn't even really try very hard to figure it out
floral blaze
Scared to make decisive decisions
small anvil
Jagex are fundamentally cowards imo
meager flame
like if they had played other updates with the same mindset
we wouldn't have yama or doom
small anvil
Theyre petrified of backlash
floral blaze
The current leadership is absolutely pussified
meager flame
but they went the extra mile to get those rewards to work
vivid ruin
I feel like polls dont reflect what actually needs to be done with wildy. Polls reflect how people feel about it
small anvil
Jagex love to tout the polls but they are like so scared of anything failing a poll after they sink time and effort into it
meager flame
pvp is one of those times where they probably shouldn't even use polls
small anvil
They want a rubber stamp
meager flame
i dont even say that lightly either because lol
i've played long enough to experience every insane thing they ever did
but its obvious that if they want to make good pvp updates and turn things around they can't listen to the community built on top of stopping those updates from existing
they're gonna have to make smart decisions and do the right thing on their own
which is probably scary
but they cant ask people will just say no by default
they wont even think
small anvil
They'd rather just neglect it entirely and not make hard decisions
vivid ruin
A big chunk of players are QOL low energy skillers
small anvil
Heck even the feedback on this attempted change had them backpedaling
limber creek
We just have so many parrots. And so many naysayers that refuse to even engage because the ecosystem is flawed with not enough incentive for pvmers.
You know i didnt start out in the wilderness as a pker. I was a rev pvmer. and then i found a friend and found a clan and now im here today lol.
small anvil
They tried to do something they thought (based on talking with streamers presumably) would be well received
And got backlash
meager flame
my pov is just skewed because i did start in the wild as a pker but that was because that was basically the only reason to be in the wild at the time
small anvil
The lesson they should learn is to talk to more people
The lesson they likely learn is : never touch Pvp
meager flame
so im sitting there like who cares about revs just make people fighting each other fun and it will work
chrome lantern
PvP aside, it definitely feels like community interaction is at an all-time low the last year or so
limber creek
under the guise pvpers are too toxic. When look at how the pvmers have reacted to conversations the past few days. So many of them just being outright so rude to one another.
Acting as if we can't be civil is dehumanizing at the least.
brisk hill
Gz PvPcord
small anvil
Plinx was saying the quiet part out loud
meager flame
its because they got killed for a spade once and probably had a slur thrown down on them
brisk hill
Rise PvPcord RISE
meager flame
so they assume everyone in the wild is that guy
limber creek
Thats him thats johnny pker!
vivid ruin
When i was running with one of the bigger clans for a bit it was good vibes. Sort of competitive but always fun
winged mantle
PvP aside, it definitely feels like community interaction is at an all-time low ...
A portion got told they don't have a space with the removal of an event
limber creek
?
vivid ruin
Stopppp ellieeee
meager flame
the pride event
winged mantle
Just sayin
limber creek
We dont have black pride month either. And i'm african american irl.
winged mantle
The community is fractured a little since then
meager flame
and tbh maybe some clans really are that bad but that's a jagex moderation problem anyways
vivid ruin
That just means more focus imo
timber drift
no autism awareness while 90% of players are affected
meager flame
not a pvp problem
meager flame
no autism awareness while 90% of players are affected
i knew it was coming lmao
timber drift
kinda fucked
limber creek
no autism awareness while 90% of players are affected
myself as well. Do we not deserve representation as well.
chrome lantern
We dont have black pride month either. And i'm african american irl.
They're British, not American!!!
:p
winged mantle
no autism awareness while 90% of players are affected
That would be a good thing to have tbh
limber creek
They're British, not American!!!
My fault i should know that!
meager flame
tbh i can kind of see why they might not want to roll out the controversy every year
but they're too scared really to explain that
vivid ruin
Theres always a group that will be left out.
limber creek
Why is it always pkers
meager flame
because this game is like a bit of a time capsule and honestly even though most of us are good people and nothing bad would happen
winged mantle
Since last year the jmods have been too quiet when they change things/ add thing. There's barely any conversation anymore
meager flame
you're going to enrage that one guy that thinks this is still xbox live in 2004
and he's gonna come in swinging lmao
vivid ruin
I honestly dont think that has anything to do with player communication
limber creek
hard to reply when you dont even read it in the first place.
Its not the top upvoted reddit post.
vivid ruin
New CEO, things changed internally
limber creek
meager flame
honestly the new CEO is actually really out here more than i would've expected a CEO to be
he's really in those reveal videos and talking about shit a lot
winged mantle
It honestly feels like the jmods got told to not talk to us even more
timber drift
wouldnt wanna interact much with the community either if you nerf one aspect of the skill you've been working on for 3 years for long term skill health, and then self proclaimed grown men have a nuclear fucking meltdown shitting their diapers screaming and crying SAILING IS DEAD for a week straight
vivid ruin
Possibly
timber drift
thats just one example
winged mantle
If there's a video with north I tune out
floral blaze
They mentioned having improved player support but I'm seeing legit players getting false banned with no hope to get unbanned
limber creek
thats just one example
i wonder if those guys were the pkers. 🤔
limber creek
They mentioned having improved player support but I'm seeing legit players getti...
Enjoy our llm chatbot banned boy. Hope you know a good prompt to unban.
meager flame
tbh idk if he was really trying to come off as a bad person or if he just decided he would be the guy to tank the outrage
because sometimes they do that
winged mantle
They mentioned having improved player support but I'm seeing legit players getti...
I really hope they actually start doing shit. My iron friend got a false minor macro ban for killing spindel
meager flame
idk what the real process is inside of jagex for deciding those things
kinda hard to believe north was just 100% in control
winged mantle
idk what the real process is inside of jagex for deciding those things
I just wish they were honest
floral blaze
I really hope they actually start doing shit. My iron friend got a false minor m...
Yeah their system is ridiculous
meager flame
i suspect what really happened even though we'll never know
winged mantle
Yeah their system is ridiculous
Do you think that's also one reason people don't want tl go into the wildy?
meager flame
is that some jmods really wanted to keep the events going, some didn't care and some people probably got death threats etc and would rather not
winged mantle
i suspect what really happened even though we'll never know
I have my own suspicious but what's done is done
meager flame
and they had to then decide what to do with all of those people at once
floral blaze
Had a guy in my clan, his main got banned for typing the word "Bet" in a sentence when chatting with somebody at the GE
meager flame
and im ngl
there probably was also a level of "if we're just not involved in anything its probably good for business"
that went along with it
floral blaze
Do you think that's also one reason people don't want tl go into the wildy?
Nah I dont believe so. It happens all over the game
winged mantle
there probably was also a level of "if we're just not involved in anything its p...
Probably
vivid ruin
Is there a place to see if mods changed from then?
winged mantle
Nah I dont believe so. It happens all over the game
But especially with wildy. If you attack a bot they mass report you and such
winged mantle
Is there a place to see if mods changed from then?
Only observation
vivid ruin
Ahh
vivid ruin
No where that says "we appreciate so and so but they are leaving us"
limber creek
Ellie please dont spread misinformation.
You're not going to get banned from a bot mass reporting you lol.
If you did id be long gone years ago.
meager flame
i've actually seen enough people that i actually know get banned only to have it overturned recently
that im a bit worried
vivid ruin
Yeah i slaughter bots a lot tbh
limber creek
That happened to a dude who messed with an entire clan of bots at agility arena one time lol.
That guy has been perm banned on like 30+ accounts.
meager flame
not from bot killing or anything just from like
random stuff
like some of them were doing 2t salvage
and just got deleted lmao
chrome lantern
Imagine 2ting salvage when you can 1.5t
limber creek
yeah false bans for activities are fairly common anymore.
But from killing bots lol? Off base sadly.
meager flame
tbh they probably were doing that i just wasn't watching their pov
chrome lantern
:p
Also as an extra nerd clarification
With a single hook before 50 sailing 2t is the best you can do
meager flame
its just weird when it goes from like
idk you see some guy complaining on reddit once in awhile to over the past year a bunch of people you actually know getting banned then overturned
either really bad luck if you know me or jagex is just going crazy
which makes sense they put out the stats not that long ago where they banned like 4-5m accounts lol
thats an incredibly large number
limber creek
we banned 4-5m oh wow. all bots? Right??
winged mantle
I do want them to actually have the player support where someone manually checks. Too many auto replies saying "yep we've checked" when you know it's a bot
meager flame
ya i've never played rs and just started to suspect i'd get a false ban for no reason until the last year or so
winged mantle
There's always the fear in the back of my mind
limber creek
kinda how pvpers feel about being discussed for a pvp channel lol
winged mantle
If my account gets false perma banned idk what I'll do. My iron is the only acc I want to play
vivid ruin
I know no one believes me when i say my buddy was literally banned for trading gear from 1 acc to another, both with the same exact names just about. For "RWT" when he was just building working more on his new pure than his old main
meager flame
nah i get worried about that if i make a new account
limber creek
I know no one believes me when i say my buddy was literally banned for trading g...
got a buddy hit with this too. his ban never got repealed. Hes quit now.
winged mantle
Like I've dropped billions in dupes from my iron to people I was raiding with to split with them
vivid ruin
Yeah i dont see him logging in anymore. Was like 3 weeks ago
meager flame
brand new accounts seem to have some kind of additional suspicion put on them or something
like how often have you read the thing where someone says
"i got my gf into the game but she got banned for botting after 2 days"
true talon
They mentioned having improved player support but I'm seeing legit players getti...
as someone whose played for 20 years, ive not once needed player support.
meager flame
and other similar stuff
winged mantle
as someone whose played for 20 years, ive not once needed player support.
Lucky
true talon
"i got my gf into the game but she got banned for botting after 2 days"
i got 3 day ban on my ironman when i first made it. so its not surprising if accounts are hit early. but ive not had any infraction since.
meager flame
the funny thing is the only game i've ever actually been banned from is wow
and only once was it deserved
true talon
I got banned in lost ark it was false and amazon customer support was useless
meager flame
my real ban was hilarious its too bad i dont have chat logs
true talon
sadly they ban 1 month based on 100k per gold you accused of rwting
meager flame
it was during wotlk some guild died to the stone boss in voa
and then i tanked it on my mage to kill it and i was just flaming them lmao
true talon
so i was banned for 6 months due to fliping items in the market place, which bots also used to sell gold on.
meager flame
i'll take the 3 day for that it was too funny
true talon
I just ended up quiting and not giving amazon games anymore of my money XD
meager flame
the best part was their guild name was mission accomplished
and forever after people called them mission impossible
meager flame
wow used to be a really funny game when people knew everyone on the server
meager flame
understandable
winged mantle
What happened between 2011 and 2023?
meager flame
i cant believe you caught one for account sharing
vivid ruin
Just showing my support history
2011, EOC i quit until 2015. Played solo off and on for a while until i joined a clan in 2023
meager flame
back in those days i think i broke almost every rule you could be reported for but not quite
and never got a ban lol
winged mantle
Just showing my support history <:kekw:997907574034792498>
2011, EOC i quit u...
Ahh fair
true talon
account sharing bans is werid lol
vivid ruin
Back when they cared. I dont even remember how i got that
true talon
Back when they cared. I dont even remember how i got that
prob logged in from a different IP, remember tech wasnt to advanced back then.
winged mantle
New computer even?
true talon
if you changed your IP they thought you was a dif player
vivid ruin
Yeah i used to use my buddies laptops when id spend the night. Sounds about right
meager flame
tbh i kinda miss when osrs was like that
kind of the same as old wow was
people were just like social and into it
winged mantle
So it's your friends fault! (Jokes)
true talon
and in 2008 you always had to change your ip if you entered any type of group chat or skype
because if you didnt, youd be ddosed
winged mantle
and in 2008 you always had to change your ip if you entered any type of group ch...
Hamachi
meager flame
between me playing halo pvping on osrs and doing rbgs
the people attacking were probably doxxing each other
true talon
id do RBGs and join skype, then next time i was on a dif team, wed all be hit off line
meager flame
ya lol
brisk hill
Bring back an ecosystem similar to multi revs
meager flame
get hit offline for gamebattles just to get kicked from the second rbg i did that day to get on osrs and have people try and socially engineer
the good days
limber creek
Supply a PvP discussion section to the discord
Did you see their reasons earlier for not adding one they did speak to us lol
limber creek
sec
meager flame
you know honestly its probably a bad play to make one
then there would be more records of you guys getting ignored
limber creek
We already have enough according to tramayne
The mod who lets pvmers harass pks and tells someone to make a modmail if they have an issue instead of being a moderator.
🤫
🧹
Thought it was supposed to be a pc safespace kinda discord where we're all generally civil with one another to a degree.
I love the discussions.
meager flame
i honestly cant think of an angle to think a pvp channel would be bad
maybe i guess at a big stretch you could be concerned it would be used to lure
limber creek
Because the mods don't like it.
winged mantle
There should definitely be a space to discuss grievances and ideas to fix wildy
limber creek
Im gonna take Ash to a pvp trip though ❤️
vivid ruin
Im gonna take Ash to a pvp trip though ❤️
Lets gooooo id get my clannies to come
limber creek
I actually linked up with a dude earlier in old school and have a new clan i get to play with too!
vivid ruin
But he lives on the other side of the world. He just vaca'd my neck of the woods lol
limber creek
The discord is dope. Just wish pvp was pushed to one section
meager flame
honestly if ash decided to do a pvp event he could run the wild
even the pvmers would show up to kill people for him
limber creek
not like real mod ash but discord mod ash
small anvil
that was discord mod ash, not jmod
meager flame
yeah ik i mean actual mod ash lol
vivid ruin
Ash lowkey owns the player base
meager flame
the jmod
limber creek
bro id take real ash on a clan trip not a just zom messing around trip
meager flame
dude would have legions lol
winged mantle
Mod ash is the king of osrs
vivid ruin
not like real mod ash but discord mod ash
You mean chat mod ash?
meager flame
that would maybe be the funniest reality for osrs ever
limber creek
You mean chat mod ash?
yeah lol
vivid ruin
Oh womp womp lol
limber creek
nah its good cause ik theyre actively discussing our pvp channel as part of the mods
we need this.
vivid ruin
He made me laugh the other day. Someone pinged him about something as if he were jmod in multiple channels. He came back with a drawing from paint as a response and said "there you go"
small anvil
assuming it would be a toxic channel is just the most assine reason not to have one tho
limber creek
He made me laugh the other day. Someone pinged him about something as if he were...
lololol thats hilarious
meager flame
its even more confusing because real ash also replies here a lot lol
limber creek
assuming it would be a toxic channel is just the most assine reason not to have ...
evening geek you had some super valid points in the other channel. Glad you're here.
brisk hill
The mod who lets pvmers harass pks and tells someone to make a modmail if they h...
That’s a shame. Mox used to clan
limber creek
Wish they'd chime in 🙁
brisk hill
He knows the state of the PvP scene but he also has first hand experience in the toxicity so
Maybe that’s why
meager flame
tbh i think its actually very weird that there isn't already a pvp channel
pvp is actually an aspect of osrs it should be there
winged mantle
assuming it would be a toxic channel is just the most assine reason not to have ...
Like they don't have that in other channels and when they it's squashed
meager flame
like the ironman channel etc
obsidian venture
assuming it would be a toxic channel is just the most assine reason not to have ...
This legit was so bad lmao
limber creek
Even he should know that if not everyone can be civil a majority more than likely can be though.
They can send mod mails and fix the issues
vivid ruin
Can just mute people acting up and not remove the whole space
limber creek
💯
meager flame
idr the one guy that almost ended this channel
he kept talking about trying to kill yama in weird unique ways on pures
minor whale
Ren
minor whale
That's the Yama person
winged mantle
🤦🏼♀️
brisk hill
and everyone tried to pvp him
Omg
meager flame
i've never seen someone almost get jumped in a discord channel somehow before that
limber creek
yamas cool asf though. theres all these gods like zammy guthix etc and then theres just the literal devil we go kill for funsies.
floral blaze
Pvp channel would be great education for all
obsidian venture
I’ve def got into heated discussions with a few individuals here
But of course that’s just moderated
noble vortex
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/431834766325841920/1461812307922...
What’s this about exactly? 😅
limber creek
We could even have seperate pvp threads including helpful wilderness information.
obsidian venture
Would be no different in a PvP channel
limber creek
What’s this about exactly? 😅
You click them and they redirect to messages involving peoples responses to the pvp channel questions.
Hope that helps homie 🤝
winged mantle
They should have it even more now as this is the designated pvp channel till further notice apparently
small anvil
oh i forgot about ren ren
vivid ruin
We could even have seperate pvp threads including helpful wilderness information...
I feel like a tutorial would be great for those with no experience
meager flame
ya see everyone remembers it lmao
small anvil
havent seen them for like 4+ months now that i think about it
limber creek
I feel like a tutorial would be great for those with no experience
I would say make it a quest but people would probably fuss about that. We'd have to think how to implement or where.
I like scenario training myself like giving different circumstances you're put in.
small anvil
the discussion about having a pvp channel senny featured plinx saying some nonsense
meager flame
its usually just like 15 people talking about the same things forever though
small anvil
assuming that a pvp channel would somehow automatically be toxic
small anvil
and that people would advocate for things they personally dont want
therefore its a bad idea to have a channel for pvp
noble vortex
You click them and they redirect to messages involving peoples responses to the ...
Lol okay..being rude about it is definitely gonna make us want to help you guys right? 😂
small anvil
all around nonsense
meager flame
i mean realistically if people aren't getting mad at each other
it does seem like there should be a pvp channel
limber creek
Lol okay..being rude about it is definitely gonna make us want to help you guys ...
Was what i said rude i explained it in a very understandable calm manner?
You're being rude to me. Please calm down.
limber creek
I am sorry if i offended.
winged mantle
There should be a channel so it's contained and this can remain for game updates
noble vortex
Was what i said rude i explained it in a very understandable calm manner?
You'...
Righttt. Thanks for the help I guess lol
limber creek
Righttt. Thanks for the help I guess lol
You're welcome for the appology. I would like one as well.
Please do not be toxic as people see me as being.
noble vortex
Forrrr?
meager flame
lmao
small anvil
oh boy
noble vortex
Lol?
noble vortex
Who?
carmine junco
365
small anvil
senny be realistic you're kinda coming here trying to pick a fight it seems
meager flame
really bringing the pvp
limber creek
They are not nice to me and im the bad guy...
narrow folio
Dude is it really a good idea to antagonize a mod when you want their help?
noble vortex
senny be realistic you're kinda coming here trying to pick a fight it seems
I asked a question and he gave me a silly response on purpose just to dismiss me?
carmine junco
They are not nice to me and im the bad guy...
Cut the shit. You constantly make backhanded and snide comments and act like you do nothing.
winged mantle
Let's chill
carmine junco
I hope they deny you and your nonsense so maybe you finally leave us alone
minor whale
Yeah man I'm kinda with Kan on this
Mods don't have an inability to pick up on sarcasm or being snide lol
wide iris
Let's chill
Gonna need an ice barrage to cool this off >.>
limber creek
I answered the question honestly as it seemed you had not read the context previous. I also appologized. I genuinely want to help on things and people getting upset will not help us. If i wanted to flame someone i would go elsewhere. I just want pvp helped.
carmine junco
You don't deserve anything, and it's clear from the pvps who talk in here just why they haven't approved your channel
meager flame
Let's chill
why not see who can protect from logic the best and 1t reply
minor whale
You can want a channel and think it's silly there isn't one but every response being some obnoxious reply and sarcasm ain't helping your case lol
carmine junco
I answered the question honestly as it seemed you had not read the context previ...
Have a good day.
obsidian venture
You can want a channel and think it's silly there isn't one but every response b...
should have seen oldschool chat
narrow folio
Seems a good reason not to have one
vivid ruin
You don't deserve anything, and it's clear from the pvps who talk in here just w...
I dont see anything worse in here than old school chat m8
meager flame
should have seen oldschool chat
send them to general
winged mantle
why not see who can protect from logic the best and 1t reply
Wym
floral blaze
Convos been chill in here, lurkers coming out aggroing out of nowhere for why
limber creek
These pvmers are awfully toxic toward me. Why is it double standardized. If i respond in an unfit manner i will get a modmail.
small anvil
I asked a question and he gave me a silly response on purpose just to dismiss me...
you see links to messages and you ask what they are, seems like a pointed question
winged mantle
The pvpers have been pretty civil and then this happens...
small anvil
you could read up to see the context of the messages being linked
like i kinda understand why you got snark back
limber creek
I did not lie did i?
small anvil
it was like immediately above it
meager flame
yeah i was just asking if someone actually replied to them about a pvp channel
so they linked that stuff
limber creek
and i showed where we had some replies
and got jumped by a mod
im sorry bro 🙁 i wont link messages no more
obsidian venture
you could read up to see the context of the messages being linked
Imagine if context was a thing
small anvil
so like, its not hard to intuit that you're coming in with intentions that aren't just "huh what are these messages" innocently
obsidian venture
limber creek
the message didnt even @ anyone. I know better than to @ a mod and bother them. I asked.
small anvil
but like ofc someones gonna give a smartass remark over what seems like its intended to be a gotcha question
limber creek
but like ofc someones gonna give a smartass remark over what seems like its inte...
i couldve done that if i wasnt gonna get chassed anyways. But i dont want to do that. Its not nice.
winged mantle
I think the requests are valid and would help the jmods understand pvp state + ideas to move forward. It would be easier to find information too
brisk hill
Well said
noble vortex
you see links to messages and you ask what they are, seems like a pointed questi...
Thanks for your input. Though I wouldn’t have wasted my time asking unless I wanted more clarification.
brisk hill
Thanks for standing in solidarity
small anvil
What exactly did you want clarification of
I was part of the conversation and am happy to provide it
but I do think if you want clarification you should be more specific on what you want clarification of
limber creek
It seems like a personal vendetta because you dont like that i keep mentioning the mods will speak about our pvp chat and are using this as a retaliatory action to bait me into acting toxic so you can violate me with a rule.
But what do i know 😄
noble vortex
What exactly was wrong with what was said in those messages?
The input will be shared with the team
limber creek
The input will be shared with the team
Yeah we know
noble vortex
Yeah okay guys, nevermind I tried.
brisk hill
Thanks
meager flame
well they probably feel like the whole situation is kind of overdone I guess? like we're in a discord about osrs and pvp is a pretty different large part of it
but they dont have a channel to talk about it
so it seems like a no brainer
winged mantle
Pretty much
small anvil
What exactly was wrong with what was said in those messages?
The presumption from plinx that a pvp channel would be inherently toxic
is kinda crazy
winged mantle
Some voices are heard and some are ignored
brisk hill
well they probably feel like the whole situation is kind of overdone I guess? li...
Really some transparency is what’s needed
Just be honest
“Discussing” isn’t transparency
limber creek
If you ever would like to go pvp id love to take you regardless. I hope we're cool and can be friends about things.
Ill even fund your set! The offers on the table for any pvmer that ever wants to play and check out the other side of the coin from a pvpers point of view!
That includes you Senny ❤️
But i wont bother you anymore, offer stands.
obsidian venture
Ok but what exactly needed to be known
meager flame
i mean even if pvp chat was a little more salty thats normal
thats how pvp tends to go
narrow folio
Maybe you shouldn't be antagonizing over a valid opinion 🙂
small anvil
let alone that another reason they gave was that people were advocating for changes they dont want, therefore it's bad they get a channel
obsidian venture
I think you can designate one person to answer
meager flame
as long as its not too insane seems like it would be moderated like anything else
winged mantle
I think you can designate one person to answer
That won't work
limber creek
They dont have to explain. We all are allowed to draw our own conclusions. I believe they were genuinely confused and i helped clarify!
winged mantle
"let's get 1 iron to speak for all irons"
limber creek
But you might think differently because of context
obsidian venture
"let's get 1 iron to speak for all irons"
nah like one person in the chat
brisk hill
Great now senny's gonna think i'm a dirty pvper
One of us!
meager flame
yeah my social credit just hit rock bottom
obsidian venture
doesn't have to be a pker
meager flame
big pvp stamp on my file
narrow folio
And I hope the valid reasons against a channel are considered too 🙁
obsidian venture
just anyone who's tuned in
winged mantle
nah like one person in the chat
I know what you meant. 1 person doesn't represent a community
limber creek
Honestly atp idk im pretty discouraged from wanting to advocate for something that may cause so much controversy.
meager flame
i wouldn't even pick one person to represent them
i'd pick someone that knows them to moderate the chat
obsidian venture
no man
just to answer the fucking question
not anything else please
don't complicate it
meager flame
just so there were no weird misunderstandings
obsidian venture
right
just saying as it's toned down
ask a coherent question
get a coherent answer
move on in life
winged mantle
The pvpers asked for a dedicated channel and were told "maybe" which is most likely no
obsidian venture
right
but this is specifically for senny
who wanted to know something
that's it
obsidian venture
what was that something
meager flame
i mean maybe they have to ask permission
obsidian venture
@noble vortex what was it
limber creek
If i stop replying i got pked 🙁
winged mantle
Senny asked what the links were about which were in reference to asking for a pvp channel
obsidian venture
right it was to answer someone asking above
small anvil
(ngl i'm pretty sure it was someone modmailed about the messages being linked and senny came to investigate or smth)
obsidian venture
wasn't an @ to shame anyone
small anvil
but like, getting snark back was totally within the realm of likely outcomes
winged mantle
No
vivid ruin
obsidian venture
just to show a thread already exists
vivid ruin
Confrontation starts here
winged mantle
Was literally for context
limber creek
i dont think that even @'ed anyone at all lol. I promise i wasn't being malicious.
meager flame
well yeah everyone was kinda being trolly in the exchange
limber creek
I can be a smart elic but this was a serious discussion lol
meager flame
but you know
vivid ruin
obsidian venture
Supply a PvP discussion section to the discord
this
meager flame
its the internet of course that happened
vivid ruin
And here
obsidian venture
that's all it was a thread too
limber creek
Never forget that one of us appologized.
obsidian venture
nothing more or less
narrow folio
Personally think the tone should've stayed respectful and not hostile as it was...
limber creek
Plinxy has some very opinions.
brisk hill
Yall should kill each other for spades
meager flame
we might have another 1v1
limber creek
I am thankful for you.
narrow folio
If you want them to hear an idea then you should be nice about it
brisk hill
I’m telling you it helps
winged mantle
Senny asking a question that was easily found by clicking links