Some housing structures would add an interesting twist to anything pvp
#game-update
vivid ruin
limber creek
new mage arena 2 capes has 200+ upvotes where are my pkers
throw the list in there praise XD
its 2026
vivid ruin
Hmmmm interesting
limber creek
Yall remember scorpia changes being talked about in 2024.
minor whale
They nixed those after the DMM with the changes came and everyone hated their idea
They wanted overloads to come from a drop from Scorpia
chrome lantern
I still don't really get why they buffed the loot there
limber creek
You know what would get people pumped for scorpia. Rune chainbody case closed 200 hours of dev time.
chrome lantern
I mean it's not in line with the other bosses on its tier though
ember token
scorpia shouldve just been moved to somewhere more appropriate for what loot it did drop
chrome lantern
Compare it to Crazy Arch or Chaos Fanatic
limber creek
Deepest boss in multi wilderness most dangerous part of the wilderness. What should it drop oh yeah uhh Part of a mid game shield! yeah!
chrome lantern
Honestly it's probably similar thought process to Zombie Pirates but deep wildy multi instead of shallow
limber creek
If i was a pure id probably love pirates ngl.
brisk hill
If i was a pure id probably love pirates ngl.
until they go 2 wildy lvls south and u cant hit them anymore
minor whale
They just wanted Scorpia to not be a net loss when fighting there
It had such bad loot that it was solely done for pet really so it was a dead boss in deep wild
brisk hill
minor whale
Now it's at least better than break even
Scorpia was just weird and is still weird
It's a demi that's so deep nobody does it except pet hunters
floral blaze
If i was a pure id probably love pirates ngl.
The nooby pures I know love that place. With the influx of bots its consistent "action" and good gp. I can farm 4-5m an hr with ease on my hally pure. It is annoying tho if you're running with ppl that have different cb lvls, cant be helped with pkers
meager flame
i just wish the mods weren't too scared to talk to anyone
its obvious that they're absolutely terrified of it team size balloons they hire a bunch of people explicitly to communicate and the end result is actually substantially less communication as time goes on
about any topic
limber creek
theyre gonna give us pker ranks and no channel so they know to leave channel when we start typing.
meager flame
its not even really a pvp problem although it does impact pvp too
they're hiding like they need a bomb shelter to get away from feedback
i wonder what happened
limber creek
fair i havent paid much attention to the other things besides the mod in here this morning talking about mobile i think
which fair. mobile is a whole platform and such thats good!
meager flame
tbh the mobile and client guys are usually pretty solid
although its probably an easy subject to talk about compared to people getting mad about game design
limber creek
Preach
brisk hill
i just wish the mods weren't too scared to talk to anyone
you know whats SO funny
look what i just FOUND
meager flame
its just weird because osrs was kind of at its best when it was a lot less professional and just a lot more
devs just telling people what they think and responding to common questions
now you basically get controversy and perception management rollouts in big blogs
meager flame
its not always like that though some of the mods actually kinda try to get in there and do stuff
limber creek
ur kidding me
meager flame
like how rice popped up on like 3 podcasts in a week it seemed like
brisk hill
im not trying to nitpick and be toxic but dang
just post somet in disc
do somet official
limber creek
meager flame
i mean thats kinda actually what i was talking about
rather than having the people calling the shots engaging with people in a talk we're waiting for the official blog rollout
not that the cms are doing anything wrong bc thats like
their literal job
but lol
its so different from how it was
limber creek
https://i.imgur.com/rjc5YNY.png
edited. Appologies wrong thing
Yep its chalked there went that last shred i had....
brisk hill
yea he used to be active in the pvp disc
meager flame
usually when updates are fresh in the morning he'll be around or one of the other cms
meager flame
i do think he went on vacation at one point
true talon
Game caters to irons meanwhile.
need 30+ of these sheets, 900+ of these nails for a single boat
needs 2 cannons for a single boat a 1/20k rate
chrome lantern
Yeah it's been over a month but sure holiday whatever
icy relic
bro you have 14 sheets
chrome lantern
Even before that I felt like it had been months
Without much meaningful interaction
true talon
bro you have 14 sheets
yea i spoon the sheets its 1/200
meager flame
idr when it was but i remember he was kinda stressed from how he was wording things
icy relic
oh but you're rip on nails
meager flame
so thats probably part of it
i just dont remember what update that was
probably doom or yama
icy relic
on rate for nails but wtf is going on with the sheets
true talon
on rate for nails but wtf is going on with the sheets
you got scammed, might wanna get some slayer tasks lol
limber creek
goblin does reply in here tbf
dang i looked at another one earlier mustve been manked or something lol ur completely right my appologies.
he just posted 12/5 so its only been a month
true talon
Havnt seen goblin since yama
meager flame
everyone knew what the jmods thought because they'd just take popular questions and reply to it
true talon
Actually i think he was here for doom also
meager flame
its honestly insane looking back lol
torpid delta
that weekly QA put in crazy work
i miss these so much
icy relic
weighting too low
true talon
weighting too low
if these frost bones broke down into d arrow/dart tips id grind these, they are chill
icy relic
the only task I managed to get
meager flame
sometimes i have a weird feeling that might have been a mat k thing
meager flame
since they sorta seemed to stop after he was gone
maybe coincidence though
covid also happened
icy relic
the frequency of really bad bugs recently + failure to do simple math with regards to fever spiders, crystal extractor, etc
kinda has me worried
also the fact that they planned for albatross feathers and ray barbs to be like 1/100
limber creek
Game caters to irons meanwhile.
need 30+ of these sheets, 900+ of these nails fo...
the drop rates pretty insane yeah.
Unfortunately. You are an ironman and having 2 dragon cannons on your boat is mandatory for absolutely 0 content in the game right now.
Ship combat is not even completed its barely functional.
once again you chose this restriction.
icy relic
before they somehow bugged it to roll in an exponential manner to bring it up to a reasonable rate
true talon
the drop rates pretty insane yeah.
Unfortunately. You are an ironman and having...
ya but once it is, we will be forced to go do salvaging for a 1/20k which is on average 5m+ sailing exp per cannon lol
meager flame
like i had a wyrm task where i went like basically 10x the rate
icy relic
like thank god they kept the bugged rates because otherwise even basic upgrades to have a net would be a 10 hour grind
limber creek
ya but once it is, we will be forced to go do salvaging for a 1/20k which is on ...
they will add a way to create one don't worry iron brother.
icy relic
I am cursed on every single monster that drops these things man
every single one done on task obviously
brisk hill
can i have some
true talon
good thing sailing boats dont mean shit
true talon
Everything im doing is future proofing, because i forsee the potential in sailing
so i want a max boagt
chrome lantern
(2 cannons built)
icy relic
I'm not building any cannons right now even if I do get the barrels
restive storm
https://i.imgur.com/rjc5YNY.png
What are the odds on them having blogs for the just announced leagues following like the week after that 
true talon
same
icy relic
cuz they're just going to add a new ship type
chrome lantern
They were pretty nice for the 3500 vampyre krakens I killed
icy relic
and fuck you if you built yours already on a bad ship that can't be used in raids 4 lolol
chrome lantern
Not that I had rune or dragon cballs to fire
true talon
Well they said raids 4 will just be like tob 2 a solo boss rush style raid
brisk hill
gatekept from the masses?
chrome lantern
Like tob but not like tob if you make it solo
brisk hill
limber creek
6 straight rooms of nylo style waves of differing enemy types with invocations you pick to increase loot chances on different items LFG
true talon
Like tob but not like tob if you make it solo
like tob meaning using boss rush style layout with no puzzles, the group aspect is not what makes tob tob.
icy relic
tob is unique in that it feels like it was made for multiple players
true talon
infact it what makes tob suck
icy relic
the other raids punish you for bringing others
chrome lantern
I would say that's the best part of ToB lmao
limber creek
the other raids punish you for bringing others
besides the whole purple rates and getting drops.
chrome lantern
Having actual meaningful teamwork and roles
Such a large skill ceiling for team eff
true talon
Having actual meaningful teamwork and roles
yes i too like being at mercy of other players and not my own actions.
restive storm
Like tob, but you gotta be able to solo it with a warped scepter and an addy cbow/rune longsword
true talon
Like tob, but you gotta be able to solo it with a warped scepter and an addy cbo...
you can do this in chambers,
brisk hill
toa too
limber creek
Tob too
true talon
you prob cant solo tob with that gear, but you can def do the raid with it lol
restive storm
Yeah but it’s gotta be accessible like that day if release, otherwise the Timmy ironmemes riot
limber creek
i can't but someone could
true talon
Yeah but it’s gotta be accessible like that day if release, otherwise the Timmy ...
No it has to be accessible to all players or else it isnt worth the budget designing it.
restive storm
No it has to be accessible to all players or else it isnt worth the budget desig...
I mean this is just categorically false lol
limber creek
L take. What happened to having something to work toward in the game?
true talon
its not
kind surge
yes i too like being at mercy of other players and not my own actions.
it's pretty uncommon for someone to think like this in multiplayer games
in another mmo, I hope my teammates are ass in raids because it makes it so much more amusing
true talon
it's pretty uncommon for someone to think like this in multiplayer games
osrs is a very unique game, its not a multi-player game like the traditional holy trinity games
kind surge
doesn't matter
restive storm
Might be the worst take in the history of takes, maybe ever
limber creek
He is an irontimmy.
icy relic
Idk how you can look at the beauty of the choreograph that goes on in ToB
meager flame
it's pretty uncommon for someone to think like this in multiplayer games
not in mmos tbf like the pvp vs pve discussion in osrs
icy relic
and be like yeah this sucks, I want people to pk me harder in wardens
true talon
He is an irontimmy.
ya and your dying breed of illrelevence called pvper.
restive storm
Bro stacked them warped scepter charges for years for this opportunity
meager flame
is almost identical in wow
and people get mad all the time because their teammates suck
vivid ruin
Irons should be in their own servers, with their own market and their own set of drop rates/rules so the core game stops getting ruined
restive storm
What’s been put in motion (PvPCord) can’t be taken out of motion
2026 gonna be crazy when they rewrite the summit map with all the PvP stuff
icy relic
how do irons get their own market
true talon
ya and lose all but 5 players
limber creek
Were gonna get all the pvmchads in multi clans when revs drops
icy relic
then it's not iron anymore
brisk hill
floral blaze
Were gonna get all the pvmchads in multi clans when revs drops
All the haters will become fans
Disbelievers turned into believers
💯
true talon
Pvp dont bring this lvl of player base, they had to add cosmetic rewards to DMM to have people even do it.
restive storm
Were gonna get all the pvmchads in multi clans when revs drops
My favorite part is all the ironmemes like saebae and what not all say the same thing “actually multi revs was lit when I think back to my grinds there”
true talon
Yet ironman league game modes will spike the player base
restive storm
Pvp dont bring this lvl of player base, they had to add cosmetic rewards to DMM ...
(don’t check the mining guild rn)
icy relic
this tribalism is ridiculous lol
RS is the sum of its components and all its communities
vivid ruin
how do irons get their own market
Irons can drop their loot to main game currently so thats the only reason why i said that. They can have a GE, but just stare at it. Buy bonds. Whatever
limber creek
Leagues is cool. I beat the the last pseudo leagues gridmaster.
Whats this got to do with main game at all.
true talon
Irons can drop their loot to main game currently so thats the only reason why i ...
Irons can indeed buy bonds from the GE but it costs a lot of raw gp
icy relic
we would not be here without the rich history of the wildy
true talon
so its better to drop dupes an buy bonds
meager flame
this tribalism is ridiculous lol
i mean its hilarious im ngl
like i've played everything other than a uim at some point
uim is a flagrant foul but anything else
its really all the same people lol just getting mad at everyone that isn't on their particular mode
brisk hill
we would not be here without the rich history of the wildy
most ppl dont know their history and shrug it off as pointless becuase "pvp is a dying breed" 
icy relic
got a comped rs3 (started in rsc) and a max osrs iron
limber creek
Okay so we found 2 places of common ground.
restive storm
Uim is the only Ironman mode that’s a challenge anymore and as such they have my respect
icy relic
I mean I'm not iron out of giving a fuck about anybody's respect
limber creek
I only have 1 inventory. But i can bank everything on the ground id like to keep.
icy relic
OSRS has great progression
restive storm
Honestly I feel like most uim don’t even want more storage
true talon
When i was bored and training a afk skill on my iron, id go pk on my pure. but the bots are so advanced now its not worth my time.
icy relic
and it's fun to source your own stuff
restive storm
Half of it I think is turbo randoms thinking well if I were to play a uim I want storage which makes no sense
true talon
They got armadyl brews now
icy relic
if you only want to pvm/pvp and the iron stuff is an obstacle to that then don't play iron
true talon
freaking perma range potted while auto pray scripts and they rip you with web weaver or msb
meager flame
i dont understand uims because they're actually too different to really talk about them collectively
restive storm
When i was bored and training a afk skill on my iron, id go pk on my pure. but t...
Frfr let me and the homies just pass em around and try to 1 hit claw maul then for the memes
icy relic
skilling content giga neglected too because god forbid we properly gate endgame bosses
limber creek
if you only want to pvm/pvp and the iron stuff is an obstacle to that then don't...
I dont wanna farm dragon arrows.
Then 👏🏻 Shoot 👏🏻 Amethyst 👏🏻
meager flame
some of them are super casual doing the weirdest stuff, even more are weird snowflake accounts that aren't even playing the same game
true talon
I dont wanna farm dragon arrows.
Then 👏🏻 Shoot 👏🏻 Amethyst 👏🏻
we do lol
meager flame
and then you have the turbo crazy people
limber creek
You know what. I dont wanna shoot those arrows as a main either
why shouldnt i just use bronze arrows id save so much gp.
true talon
They kinda expensive
icy relic
I feel way better about shooting dragon arrows as an iron than as a main
true talon
2k each
limber creek
Can i get free dragon arrows jagex.
meager flame
i think uims are what people think most irons are
icy relic
supplies exist to be used on an iron
limber creek
Ironmen have convinced me to complain more.
meager flame
dudes that just love punishment etc
restive storm
I exclusively shoot dragon fire arrows cuz I don’t know what else to spend money on
meager flame
they're all uim
icy relic
on a main you're doing math if you're actually losing money doing PNM
vivid ruin
Im an amethyst shooting main 
brisk hill
I exclusively shoot dragon fire arrows cuz I don’t know what else to spend money...
????
limber creek
🦀 🦀 The worse the multi is for us. The worse the multi is gonna be for other humans. 🦀 🦀
🦀 🦀 Allow us to destroy the bots and save the economy that we can actually control 🦀 🦀
🦀 🦀 1t Tele delay below 30. Multi Rev caves. Zombie Pirates to 35 wilderness. 🦀 🦀
true talon
Dragon arrows only expensive because bots are only ones who produce them. youll see their price shift when vorkath bots are banned, gauntlet bots are banned or brutal black dragon bots are banned
meager flame
tbf destroying bots doesn't save economy it just makes you the guy getting rich off of it
solid attempt though lmao
true talon
Also doom bots use a lot of arrows with their scorching bows
limber creek
I grinded tons of brutal black dragons omw to 99. I still have dragon arrows.
meager flame
you know not what you're doing
summoning tass with dragon arrows
and half the discord to argue with him
true talon
its kinda crazy how i can get the pvpers involved in the discussion
seems jagex needs to do something!
restive storm
How are they crazy they’re like 2k ea?
meager flame
the thing we usually end up talking about is how if you want dragon arrows on an iron basically
you either spend an unbelievable amount of time getting them if you're dumb or
you just shoot ammy arrows and have a stack of dragon arrows you use when you really care
then people ask for like a method of obtaining them thats kind of reasonable/worth grinding
and the arguments ensue
lmao
restive storm
Ok, but why do we need to punish mains for that?
vivid ruin
People who can use the GE dont deal with this. But if devs changed drop rate to pander to irons, the game breaks
meager flame
its actually not even really punishment
vivid ruin
Which is exactly why irons simply need their own server with their own rules
meager flame
mains end up paying for more arrows than they use
assuming they're the type that has a weapon that can fire them
limber creek
you can still farm them through plenty of sources you just dont like the limitations of your own gamemode so you beg for updates to fix your side of the story ignoring the entire game.
meager flame
so having a reasonable way to go for them would probably bring their supply costs down
limber creek
unknowingly making a new oppurtunity for more bots to abuse
meager flame
since in most content the arrows are so rare that while it probably would knock your gp/hr a marginal amount
you just dont get enough of them for it to be a big deal
rice actually has a whole random segment talking about it somewhere
restive storm
its just cratering the price of d arrows to the ground for no reason
meager flame
its just not dragon arrows he uses flax as the example
icy relic
dragon arrows are such a waste at doom for scobowers
meager flame
basically talking about how making flax easily dropped from zulrah in this case had the opportunity cost of never allowing them to make a fun flax gathering activity
true talon
Rice also did like 1000 brimstone keys for d arrows to do his shadow grind lol
icy relic
most of the damage comes from bping car phase anyway
limber creek
its just cratering the price of d arrows to the ground for no reason
for the reason of appeasing ironmen yet again.
timmyscape
meager flame
when he could easily replace flax with dragon arrows in his example
vivid ruin
I only use drag arrows/darts for speed runs or masses
meager flame
and realize that they have an opening to have some meaningful gameplay for them
instead of continuing to add it to random drop tables
limber creek
i use dragon arrows and darts for everything because im a main and can afford them.
true talon
i use dragon arrows and darts for everything because im a main and can afford th...
as you should
icy relic
"fun flax gathering activity"
meager flame
ya the wider discussion was about how some content devalues other content long term and that example was mostly about how pvm basically reduced skilling to nothing
icy relic
PvM should reduce certain aspects of skilling to nothing, like pure ess and flax
limber creek
skilling is just gatekeeping for diaries lol
vivid ruin
I technically can afford dragon arrows and darts. Im just a cheap ass
meager flame
PvM should reduce certain aspects of skilling to nothing, like pure ess and flax
ya thats kinda what the whole talk was about though
restive storm
PvM should reduce certain aspects of skilling to nothing, like pure ess and flax
heavy disagree i liked mining pure ess on my iron
meager flame
because at the end of the day there could have been a cool skilling method that let you get numbers for items like that
restive storm
having a 2m stack of ess from slayer was lame as hell
meager flame
but now that they deleted the need for that with bosses like zulrah
it'll never happen
icy relic
I don't believe that
because OSRS has too many restrictions that the devs hallucinate into existence
there is no reason RC has to be permanently shackled to its current XP rates
limber creek
there is no reason RC has to be permanently shackled to its current XP rates
im only upvoting this cause i gotta level it one day
icy relic
lmao
meager flame
ya i see you've never experienced the wrath of autmnelegy
limber creek
if i was maxxed id gatekeep it as low exp as i could. (not really)
icy relic
not like what I say matters but
meager flame
idk what he did to jagex on twitter
but they've been scared of touching rc ever since
icy relic
when you RC in RS3 you get that fucking runecrafting power fantasy like nothing
you make 500k runes an hour zooming
limber creek
when you RC in RS3 you get that fucking runecrafting power fantasy like nothing
rs3 runecrafting was lit when i tried it unironically compared to osrs lol
icy relic
it is extremely fun
limber creek
but its prob just number go up fantasy
icy relic
and it is still the same core gameplay loop
meager flame
nah but really theres an actual problem and its a really funny one
icy relic
you hit bank preset, you run to altar, you bank
meager flame
basically the alch price of runes doesn't allow jagex to let you make that many runes/hr unless its something like scar essence where it sinks your gp
so they have to fix all of that
bc otherwise
you'd sell it to ali or whatever
icy relic
it doesn't have to be that much obviously, rs3 is a different game and they drain runes like a mofo
limber creek
ill sink gp for rc that isnt paying to give myself carpal tunnel at lavas
icy relic
necro runes are burnt insanely fast
limber creek
easily
vivid ruin
ill sink gp for rc that isnt paying to give myself carpal tunnel at lavas
We need a demon butler for rc
meager flame
and personally yeah i'd just be down for them to change all of that shit
so making runes was like
you know worth doing
icy relic
but like bank presets would be so huge for RC just by itself
restive storm
there is no reason RC has to be permanently shackled to its current XP rates
rc is literally the fastest its ever been?
its not even slow these days
meager flame
i mean its a stretch to call it not slow its still pretty
idk
i guess the best way to put it would be very click intensive for very mediocre rates compared to other skills
vivid ruin
Isnt it still 75k xp per hr max without paying runners lol
icy relic
I don't include tick manip daeyalt rates into RC because nobody realistically plays that way
restive storm
doing solo lavas is like 100k an hour lmao
vivid ruin
Hmmm
icy relic
ZMI over 100k as well and it's afk
icy relic
but it's still like... not satisfying
restive storm
like how much can you really ask for? do you want rc to be like 200k/h for no reason other than you dont like training it? lol
icy relic
I don't mind, I'm also maxed
limber creek
thats so fast lol
i can pk for hours on end. I can craft lavas for like 10 minutes correctly before i misclick max lmao
brisk hill
like how much can you really ask for? do you want rc to be like 200k/h for no re...
yes!
meager flame
i'd rather just get a method with reasonable exp/hr if possible that i actually dont want to die while im doing it
brisk hill
u get 77rc 14 times!
meager flame
i'd be cool with 100k/hr if the gameplay didnt suck
icy relic
RC ended up being one of the easier skills because ZMI is chill
chrome lantern
I enjoy doing combo runes
icy relic
but that's not what I want out of the skill
meager flame
thankfully i've maxed twice
brisk hill
make rc like salvaging and ill do it
brisk hill
vivid ruin
Ive been base 95s for half a year and the last push hurts
limber creek
Bro ill salvage runecrafting
restive storm
zmi is literally like half afk rc how does it suck lol
chrome lantern
Salvaging xp rates were a mistake
icy relic
I want to be able to make a lot of runes that isn't just glorified shopscape via scar ess
chrome lantern
Even stars are too high xp/hr for what the activity is and salvaging is just worse
limber creek
ill literally take gold coins to the altar and turn them in for the exp i aint even gotta make runes
idle rapids
zmi is literally like half afk rc how does it suck lol
zmi sucks its pretty much regular rc but random, zeah is good tho
restive storm
ill literally take gold coins to the altar and turn them in for the exp i aint e...
this is called paying runners
restive storm
zmi sucks its pretty much regular rc but random, zeah is good tho
you also have like 30s to look away from the screen at a time instead of clicking all the way to an altar
pick ur nose make a coffee do w/e u gotat do
limber creek
squinttz digs for gold when hes freeze logging you.
chrome lantern
People say ZMI is "afk" but when you actually bank it's too active so it ends up just being one of those awful not-active-not-afk methods
Which is the worst type of method
idle rapids
you also have like 30s to look away from the screen at a time instead of clickin...
you can do a long run at astral too i dont care how long the run is, its the banking every 30 seconds thats the problem, zeah solves that
vivid ruin
If i cant rc while im driving in traffic, its not afk....
brisk hill
this guy games
limber creek
absolute demon brother lol.
restive storm
you can do a long run at astral too i dont care how long the run is, its the ban...
idk man skill issue
idle rapids
youre right it is an issue with the skill, same for slayer
meager flame
guardians of the rift is probably my favorite way to do rc now
idle rapids
gotr is good too just didnt exist when i did 99
limber creek
gotr is the only way i train it.
idle rapids
i did arceus library up to 66
restive storm
slayers not even a skill issue, i 5-10 minute afk'd both my slayers to 99
its just a knowledge issue
limber creek
slayers lit. i go to the wildy in 4 items and a cannon and whoop on pkers
meager flame
i just like it bc its like
idle rapids
again the afk time is not the issue
limber creek
slayer unironically is the best skill in the game because of the wilderness. IMO.
meager flame
a more interactive way to do the common rc gameplay loop except unlike lavas where its just really focused on not missing ticks
icy relic
post-99 slayer being so shit makes me sad
restive storm
slayers lit. i go to the wildy in 4 items and a cannon and whoop on pkers
i did this until goading pots then i just brain off afk'd w/ a venator going brrrrrt
meager flame
its more about making good choices for the next portal spawn etc
so you're thinking but you're not sweating
limber creek
post-99 slayer being so shit makes me sad
give us free blocks or something with the 800 slots we need to choose now on masters
icy relic
why am I still expected to turael skip past 99 when I am a master slayer myself??
restive storm
imagine not having like 10,000 slayer points at 99 slayer
limber creek
a real 99 perk
meager flame
why is duradel the all time goat and we have to add 800 tasks to his list instead of moving on with a better slayer master
vivid ruin
1k points to wear hood over helm
meager flame
the world may never know
limber creek
raids 4 gonna be a task
chrome lantern
gotr is good too just didnt exist when i did 99
I kinda hate GotR too because it's not all that active and not at all afk, similar to ZMI
restive storm
I kinda hate GotR too because it's not all that active and not at all afk, simil...
idk if we can help u man i think u just hate rc in general
chrome lantern
I love rc!
restive storm
and thats ok
chrome lantern
I did 99 twice
vivid ruin
jagex is just adding more and more task-only monsters
Their lack of attention to pvp content is showing 
chrome lantern
I just don't like ZMI or GotR
GotR also locks crucial upgrades behind millions of xp at a mediocre activity
idle rapids
I kinda hate GotR too because it's not all that active and not at all afk, simil...
there actually used to be a really afk method there but it got patched
chrome lantern
WAY more constraining than any other skilling minigame
idle rapids
its what moistcritikal did to 99
chrome lantern
there actually used to be a really afk method there but it got patched
I would be opposed to that existing too
I know what you're talking about
meager flame
the downfall of slayer should be studied tbh
idle rapids
you'd just do a little bit at the start of each game then afak the rest of the time
icy relic
Their lack of attention to pvp content is showing <:ancestralhmm:101716616388254...
As I said, I think they have some really fundamental issues. Whoever failed the math on the fever spider rebal
chrome lantern
Slayer is so awful
icy relic
and not realizing crystal extractor gives 36k xp/hr
meager flame
went from osrs's favorite skill to kinda getting put into the background and mostly ignored
icy relic
when you click a thing that gives 600 xp a minute 60 times
meager flame
while the rest of the game moved on without it
chrome lantern
The only way to interact with it is an archaic and awful task system
idle rapids
Slayer is so awful
Agree but smoke devils are the only time i enjoy slayer
brisk hill
wildy slayer is enjoyable
chrome lantern
Task-only enemies, bosses, drop rates, and drops make it even worse
idle rapids
getting 100k xp/hr+ doing bonepile lure is satisfying and rewarding
brisk hill
more wildy slayer monsters!
chrome lantern
And from the ironman perspective, imbued heart locks an entire combat style behind tens of hours of menial labor
meager flame
i have to thank god every time i see my imbued heart
chrome lantern
But yeah I actually really like doing combo runes
meager flame
i set out to grind it one night and got it 2 tasks later
vivid ruin
Mainly for higher slay level
chrome lantern
Probably did like 5m xp there across both my accs, did a lot of hte rest at Zeah rc
meager flame
and it was actually like 30 minutes
idle rapids
mutated velds are even better
nothing beats smoke devils you can get up too 200k/hr+ with an alt
chrome lantern
Did a few million at GotR because I was dry on the needle and unable to train anywhere else
chrome lantern
i set out to grind it one night and got it 2 tasks later
If only. I'm like 26.5m and not even close to rate
meager flame
that day was crazy bc i was like now that i have this i should fortify my masori
and immediately got arma top/bottom
like 45 minutes after the heart lol
brisk hill
?
icy relic
nothing beats smoke devils you can get up too 200k/hr+ with an alt
do you run around with goading pot?
idle rapids
do you run around with goading pot?
no but I guess if you use that you might not need the alt? idk
Haven't rlly done slayer since they added that potion
icy relic
well good thing you weren't doing it last week
because smoke devils were bugged and not getting pulled by cannon
dawn jackal
https://youtu.be/ae6i4E82s7Y?si=UvzAVGQu8iwjhftf
can look at method here if curious
chrome lantern
Yeah that's another factor
I've gotten like half my xp just from slayer bosses which don't even count toward imbued heart and are all task-locked
icy relic
chrome lantern
Because you can't even get Araxytes or many good tasks at all
brisk hill
wildy slayer elite
restive storm
smh my head man caves is in rouuuugh shape tn
icy relic
it is what it is
floral blaze
second monitor?
restive storm
second monitor?
ive attacked 1 guy
chrome lantern
Wildy slayer is also pretty much just giving up 90% of your chance at an imbued heart unfortunately
There's the caves tasks but they're all lower slayer level that have superiors and much lower weight
Compared to araxytes and smokes
restive storm
Wildy slayer is also pretty much just giving up 90% of your chance at an imbued ...
yeah maybe there should actually idk, be slayer monsters in the wildy
idk if they considered that when making a wildy slayer cave
brisk hill
!
chrome lantern
I mean clearly they did because there were 0 wildy superiors before that
chrome lantern
Only the ones with slayer level reqs!
restive storm
right the only ones that drop anything
round lintel
imagine not having like 10,000 slayer points at 99 slayer <:kekw:997907574034792...
I dont even have 500
chrome lantern
Hellhounds for clues but yeah
restive storm
the only ones that drop anything that other players might wanna kill you for
chrome lantern
tbf though the jellies would actually be kinda OP if you could kill them off-task for how low you can access them
Well
restive storm
its in multi lol
chrome lantern
If zombie pirates didn't exist xd
Well yeah, if it were singles all the tasks would suck in there
restive storm
yeah im saying would it be OP if you're just gonna die a million times in a row for ur barrages/cballs?
nobody hops there rn cuz theres 500 worlds and 2 ppl doing wildy slayer at any given time
chrome lantern
Like I said, was more from a perspective of clues+really common clue drops before zombie pirates existed
Also it's worth noting that you can only kill them on a Krystilia slayer task
Might be more common if it weren't limited to just her
brisk hill
i dont think so
unless im misunderstanding?
if assigned skeletons from vanaka you can do them in wildy i thought
unless thats not what u r saying 👍
restive storm
ones in the slayer cave specifically
i.e. jellys/dust devils/abby demons
like slayer monsters
brisk hill
rly?
restive storm
think so
chrome lantern
Yeah
brisk hill
limber creek
Wait! Give us wilderness slayer caves 2 with the updated new better monsters!
restive storm
peak ggame design
chrome lantern
You can't go kill wildy abyssal demons on a Duradel task, for example
limber creek
And make it a 2% higher chance of superior (something small not crazy but an incentive)
restive storm
"why have more people do slayer in this location when you can have LESS?"
restive storm
jagex hating the wildy basically
chrome lantern
I can tell you if you could kill them in the wildy on a duradel task I would venator my abby demons there
icy relic
wildy slayer is super broken
chrome lantern
10% better superiors, wildy slayer cave loot table, cannon+venator
icy relic
your chances of dying are basically nil
brisk hill
well tb sucks
think someone mentioned you can be seen way earlier than you can cast a tb
just flawed
& wildy player alarm
braindead easy
chrome lantern
Yeah the caves are pretty much aligned so that you either have to get logged-in on (can be seen during login delay), or come from the cave and you can hide around a pillar
Only time I died there was when I happened to legitimately drop something IRL when eliop14 was checking the slayer caves on 2.2k total worlds for a video
And I looked away xd
chrome lantern
Yeah I lost a key or two and like 50k xd
I mean I just went back
I was using venator bow I wouldn't say midgame
brisk hill
i just mean like 80-100 cb most active in those caves imo
vivid ruin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMdfb4TMDUs&t=506s
Yeah this was me at 8:26
Lol remember i seen you outside of vet one time. I was hopping for my team but i wasnt going to rat on you
chrome lantern
Yeah I was playing my GIM at the time iirc
bronze kernel
Why is everyone picking up their cannons
They don't know cannon mechanics
Just leave your cannon
All you're doing is increasing your risk
If it despawns, you can just claim a new one for free
icy relic
how do you not know that in 2024 if you're 2200 
bronze kernel
You'd be surprised
icy relic
I am surprised
bronze kernel
(Tool leprechaun shenanigans ensue)
brisk hill
Why is everyone picking up their cannons
i found out the other day its not efficient to pick it up
idk
for wildy slayr ig ppl just let it degrade?
idk
bronze kernel
All UIM players probably know this
obsidian venture
for wildy slayr ig ppl just let it degrade?
ye
obsidian venture
Don't wanna be that person getting pked for a cannon
bronze kernel
You're adding another 750K risk for no reason
brisk hill
i dont get it personally
bronze kernel
Just leave it and run
chrome lantern
A lot of people pick it up when already TBed though
brisk hill
i always just picked mine up & i AM the pesky pker l0l
bronze kernel
I remember when I was PK'd grinding for the Earth Warrior scroll
I just left my cannon as I ran
restive storm
long as u didnt get skull tricked like that jmod
brisk hill
oh yea hif youre getting pked actively
i agree
dont pick up but just to reset? idgi
chrome lantern
Yeah if you're leaving pick it up
bronze kernel
Just ignore your cannon in general
Or if you're on your way to someplace and are attacked, just set it up
You'll probably get stacked out
restive storm
alright folks brainstorming time, best way to team pretty consistent damage as a pure without shooting off alarms in peoples heads... should i bust out the old emerald e bolt rag?
brisk hill
maybe i misunderstood them the other day then
bronze kernel
But denying that extra 750K risk is nice
brisk hill
they made it sound like even if you are going to get a new task u leave it in the wild
bronze kernel
Also, imagine if you could PK with a cannon
icy relic
hand cannon 
winged mantle
hand cannon <a:MikaLick:1334711179733504131>
brisk hill
the only thing is dont we alr have ballista? or would this literally explode l0l
vivid ruin
Yeah true but now we have new cballs which would be different. Idk how they'd balance it
winged mantle
Yeah true but now we have new cballs which would be different. Idk how they'd ba...
Maybe capped at a tier
remote ruin
capped at granite, like multicannon maybe?
winged mantle
Perhaps 🤷🏼♀️
restive storm
Remove pj timer, revert multi revs, -50xp lamps, teleport delay under 30 Wildy, no teleport delay returning, pls talk to us
Gn folks
brisk hill
gn fella
barren kernel
wildy slay caves have the worst 1 tick bots - make a teleport delay behind at least wildy hard/elite something extra challenging
also make it where players with 1k,2.5k,5k,10k+ wilderness kills only be able to vote on some aspects of wilderness updates
can go towards other pvm as well where there could be changes - make it a kc req or something related to whats being polled.
icy relic
it's not like who gets to respond to the polls is the issue
limber creek
Level 45s shouldn't vote on endgame raids.
Non pvpers shouldn't vote in the pvp updates.
Multi revs, teleport delay below 30. No tele return delay.
icy relic
the questions aren't even good
if bad proposals hit the table and all your options are bad it's not like restricting who votes is going to magically save things
limber creek
if bad proposals hit the table and all your options are bad it's not like restri...
True. But with more pvpers voices we can actually get things done in a healthy way.
Hell we may be wrong about something and probably will be at some point.
But anything would be nice....
icy relic
It's going to be a hard sell for jagex to tell everyone that the rules of the wildy are changing again but like, they probably have to push through an integrity change at this point?
bronze kernel
To be fair, how would you define a PvPer? Realistically. What metric would you use? Because anything like KD can technically be boosted.
And setting a ridiculously high bar means the average Joe PKer has no say.
limber creek
To be fair, how would you define a PvPer? Realistically. What metric would you u...
Theyre gonna boost everything we cant design the content around bots just like you cant with main game. nor the cheaters.
i think 1k or even 2500+ honestly.
icy relic
I think it's better to just push through an integrity change than to do a show vote
than have the humiliation of like 500 people voting for something be on display
sterile breach
does anyone know if Jagex will address the major ping overhead connecting from AUS to US west servers? it used to be 220-230 from west coast AUS to US west worlds, not its always 250+, almost like they are hosted in US east regions and not actually west at all.... I've seen speculation about this on reddit also, and I have been patiently waiting for it to be addressed, but its been like 4 months+???? so I'm guessing there just isn't enough visibility? this is a major tragedy for us Aus players tbh
tacit wharf
does anyone know if Jagex will address the major ping overhead connecting from A...
its a routing thing, been a problem the last month or so for the US homies
something about it going from west to east back to west coast
nocturne solstice
Ive been getting 180 to west coast servers today so i think you should check your network man
Also w536 looking sus 
craggy radish
Aussie Pingu lfg
floral blaze
Save the wilderness
brisk hill
To be fair, how would you define a PvPer? Realistically. What metric would you u...
Anything can be boosted tbh. I’m not sure what metric you could use. Time spent in wildy could also be boosted but if you combine it with total lvl how many accs do think will afk wild just to spite no a pvp poll?
& Gm PvPcord
scarlet dawn
Gm PKers and soon to be PKers 🙂
vivid ruin
The wildy is a huge part of the game that is constantly ignored like a redhead stepchild. All things that would benefit the wildy tremendously: Bring back multi revs, nuke pj timer, ability to deactivate def raising attack styles, don’t add a teleporting delay on restock, pls stop listening to streamers on everything pvpwise+ reduce the worlds where wildy is open, expand the wildy map, add more building structure, add singles ++ between multi and singles.
weary stag
Like a redhead step child
blissful topaz
when are we getting the left click option bury on ground bones?
restive storm
GM pvpcord
true talon
when are we getting the left click option bury on ground bones?
What? defaukt to bury bones is left click?
vivid ruin
What? defaukt to bury bones is left click?
Bury bones laying on ground
blissful topaz
What? defaukt to bury bones is left click?
on ground its pick up
blissful topaz
Bury bones laying on ground
++
true talon
oh that
interesting lol
most people use bone crusher or just ignore them. didnt know they are gonna make a left click burry
blissful topaz
for F2P new players
vivid ruin
Gm pvpcord
blissful topaz
no bone crusher in f2p
brisk hill
for F2P new players
blissful topaz
them dudes dont even pay
i do
restive storm
then i dont see how this could possibly be a f2p issue
silk thicket
The wildy is a huge part of the game that is constantly ignored like a redhead s...
Wym def raising attack styles
restive storm
kinda doubt it idk when the last cool thing they put out as
"most stacked year runescape has ever seen" where have i seen something so similar before 🤔
blissful topaz
then i dont see how this could possibly be a f2p issue
its not a issue, its a new feature?
restive storm
right and im saying its not really important to improve f2p that much when paying members already suffer lack of updates lol
minor whale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvlXxr0s5TQ
Deadman AllStars is gonna have a live Finale in the US in June
That seems to be one of the only things about OSRS I've seen so far
I'm guessing they won't be revealing a ton when the summit is only 10 days away
floral blaze
so excited for all the wildy updates coming in the summit!!!!
vivid ruin
Wym def raising attack styles
Long-range for example
And maybe give the option to toggle any of the styles on or off
blissful topaz
right and im saying its not really important to improve f2p that much when payin...
thick beacon
right and im saying its not really important to improve f2p that much when payin...
feel like f2p gets way more updates then it deserves
meager flame
i mean it honestly probably doesn't get enough updates
f2p is basically part of jagex's marketing
if it were more fun/engaging for people they'd probably get more players
small anvil
F2p gets less updates than it deserves but about the right amount given the threats of 0 risk bots
meager flame
tbh i think its kind of dated
they should probably be offering some kind of restricted membership trial instead so you can you know
trial the real game but not do anything damaging to it
vivid ruin
I could be wrong but didnt f2p have lrc back then?
meager flame
idk tbh i haven't actually played f2p since probably 2004
last pilot
https://x.com/Freckled_Dad/status/2011796116094808277
only thing f2p needs is removal of bots or a way around it so new players can actually try getting resources early in the game
X
restive storm
Deadman AllStars is gonna have a live Finale in the US in June
honestly sucks to hear that tbh
meager flame
thats kinda where i was going with the restricted membership trial thing
restive storm
im so sick of all stars being what they devote all their pvp resources to
meager flame
something for real humans trying to play the game thats useless for bots
ember grove
f2p could use more content that isn't directly transferable via the GE, probably
restive storm
Successful viewing numbers
but then people login and realize the game is nothing like what they watched
small anvil
I mean leagues experience isn't the real game either
restive storm
leagues is also cringe
small anvil
Anything that juices subscribers is good in jagex eyes
restive storm
its a game built for people who dont want to play the game
small anvil
Like what they devote resources to is going to be aimed at keeping people playing
(pvp is content that gets some people to stop playing... Oops)
obsidian venture
its a game built for people who dont want to play the game
And that’s why it works
restive storm
And that’s why it works
just such an insane dev time sink
for liike 1 month memberships
restive storm
i just want the main game to be good too man 
small anvil
Some percent of people brought back unburn
meager flame
tbh if i were trying to give people a trial i'd probably just remove access to free trade from their account and give them some level caps but otherwise just unleash them on the actual game
small anvil
And keep playing
meager flame
so they can go run around and see what stuff is actually like
small anvil
tbh if i were trying to give people a trial i'd probably just remove access to f...
You'd prob see bots that generate resources and drop them or smth
meager flame
i think jagex already has solutions for stuff like that
dawn jackal
i don't really agree with an argument that something is bad because it's a "dev time sink". we can't really know how resources are allocated.
Also, tends to be a bit of a damned if you do damned if you don't from jagex with the crowd that talks about it as they'll lambast most any update anyway
meager flame
where you cant see certain drops etc
oblique mesa
F2P is so far removed from what people enjoy about modern OSRS.
Jagex has done a good job at making early game more fun but F2P is for bots
dawn jackal
f2p has a really dedicated community of players it would be sad if they fortnite'd f2p
thick beacon
i don't really agree with an argument that something is bad because it's a "dev ...
feel like whenever leauges had more uptime less content came into the game. idk if it is really a conidence if thats the case
like this year we got so much content with no leauges
meager flame
it would also double as a nice system for punishment
so when you catch someone buying gold just disable trade for them
lmfao
dawn jackal
the game has to run and leagues gets people interested and playing lots it's kinda a silly thing to be upset about imo
thick beacon
id rather they just improve the maingame those are the players that will stick around
we hit peak this year without a leauge
meager flame
i mean i think leagues can be fun but its regrettable that it could've been content for people who actually play the game but like
thick beacon
peak player count
meager flame
its their marketing budget
craggy cairn
FFXIV's trial is pretty good since it allows for players to play a massive part of the game. You can essentially quest and be social, but you're locked out of trade, merching, whispers, and clans, as well as most of the newer things. I think it works well because new players can essentially experience the beginning of the game nearly the same as members would and decide if they want to "upgrade" for those other perks
dawn jackal
and you have numbers that support that no one who played leagues played the actual game or?
do you think leagues 1-5 helped get to a peak player count?
obsidian venture
Easily
meager flame
idk how good leagues are at generating new main game players but i do think theres a good overlap of people who already play who then play the league
thick beacon
I disagree that it was main reason obv if they invest that much time its going to do something postive
dawn jackal
they invested a lotta time into the eoc and subsequent / prior updates didn't they?
meager flame
i feel like leagues might actually not be super solid at creating long term players just because you'd have fun on the league and then get on the real game and like
its in slow motion lol
restive storm
i don't really agree with an argument that something is bad because it's a "dev ...
i mean i cant remember which league it was, but there was a picture of the "leagues development team" right before one of the releases and it was every single employee on the team lmao
so its obviously a gigantic dump of time
thick beacon
alot of the new wow players didint even wana invest their time in leauges.
obsidian venture
Tbf it’s sectioned off for different groups
meager flame
it does make a cool release for people that already play the game though
since suddenly things are fast and the pacing is way up
obsidian venture
Many j mods have multiple projects going on at the same time
And the team is ever expanding
restive storm
just none are ever wildy related sadly
thick beacon
the thing that bothers me is people want leauges they quit after like 3days
obsidian venture
I only know of Manked but there could be more
Hopefully the summit sheds some light on this
meager flame
they could probably make everyone happy though if they just use the league to test out systems/items/npcs intended for the real game eventually
chrome lantern
I just hate how they seemed to decide that every League should be Trailblazer when that should never have happened more than once
Or at the very least not more than once within 5 leagues events or so
meager flame
ya i think that was a weird play from them
to me the league is their chance to do something new/crazy/different
they really shouldn't be making rules or standard features
chrome lantern
Let’s take a fun server and force you into irreversible region and combat/relic choices and prevent you from playing with your friends that took other regions!
thick beacon
i got dcup on my first leauge which was idk what version of trailblazer it even was. feels like same thing every time havint been able to hit even mithril cup any of the new leauges i played
chrome lantern
I did dragon on Leagues 2 and 3 but hated 4 and 5 so much
Barely forced myself to Rune but I was not enjoying it
Also hot take but they made dragon too easy
restive storm
has to be obtainable by the 6 wives, 14 jobs and 3 children andys
meager flame
idk if its really too easy the numbers are pretty close to what they would have been
craggy cairn
Let’s take a fun server and force you into irreversible region and combat/relic ...
I don't mind the region locks and relic choices, but I'd really wish they'd give us the option to hard wipe our leagues if we picked a bad start and don't want to push through. A lot of friends quit last league because they picked an awkward starting region and couldn't be bothered to push through to the 2nd one
meager flame
at least in the last league they were
it was a bit lower but i think thats a fine tradeoff to have a defined end for a lot of people
chrome lantern
They probably were in the last league because people like me quit xd
meager flame
instead of having to kind of watch it to make sure the number isn't moving too much
chrome lantern
Leagues 2 and 3 I went well above dragon cutoff because I was having fun
That stopped at like a quarter of the points in leagues 4/5 and I forced myself to even hit rune
dawn jackal
has to be obtainable by the 6 wives, 14 jobs and 3 children andys
for leagues i actually think this is a more correct mindset
short fun tasks and accessible pvm encounters
restive storm
for leagues i actually think this is a more correct mindset
the mindset spills over to main game is the problem
chrome lantern
Leagues 3 was the best league I’ve played by far (I didn’t play 1 but also think it was great in concept), they just made it trivial to unlock everything shortly after release for no reason
meager flame
but yeah the last league you had to get around 3/4ths of the total points for dragon
if you weren't crazy but you were playing like a lot it was about 2 weeks of gameplay
not toooo different from other leagues
chrome lantern
I don’t really remember specifics but I felt like the changes they made to the task lists were really weird too
limber creek
trial the real game but not do anything damaging to it
thats why they have f2p. Back in my day (grandpa ik lmao) we used to be so excited to compelte all content and find that gate in front of taverly we couldnt get through LOL!
chrome lantern
Again, don’t remember specifics but I remember finding them weird
meager flame
thats why they have f2p. Back in my day (grandpa ik lmao) we used to be so ex...
ya thats kinda the problem with it now though
chrome lantern
Also, using gridmaster as a frame of reference
meager flame
if you boot up f2p you're basically playing the same game i played to test rs
restive storm
ya thats kinda the problem with it now though
hows that a problem?
meager flame
except that was in 2004
chrome lantern
I did a second Gridmaster run where I did a “snowflake” ruleset
meager flame
and the game is nothing like that whatsoever now
chrome lantern
I didn’t use t6 mastery and I didn’t use any echo or megarare rewards (no equippable tile rewards)
And it made the progression and combat styles actually feel really good
obsidian venture
Ngl f2p is just pointless in this day and age
chrome lantern
And be remotely balanced rather than just khopesh spam or tbow/bp
But gridmaster also let you unlock all 3 styles
thick beacon
And it made the progression and combat styles actually feel really good
ye my hot take is to make base difficulty way higher by not making u so op
chrome lantern
And go to every region
thick beacon
but I understand with leauges they want anyone to do anything and quickly
chrome lantern
Leagues has the elements to be really good and have the combat styles make sense while still not making you lock into just a few regions or one combat style
meager flame
i mean i liked gridmaster because it was so fast to let me do the cool part of leagues
chrome lantern
They just refuse to do it
restive storm
i hate the "wE HeaRd yOu likE tHe KoPEsH sO wE'rE aDDinG iT tO DMM"
chrome lantern
xd
restive storm
as if we need that leagues brain rot in there
meager flame
like during a lot of leagues when you're playing you kind of hit these dead moments where you're just doing busy work so you can unlock the next power up
chrome lantern
It’s ok they’ll make it the raids 4 megarare xd
meager flame
and gridmaster just said fuck that and skipped it
chrome lantern
Nah I think that kinda stuff is fine in leagues tbh gridmaster was a 1-day format and did that well
But yeah going back to region locks
Some regions/relics just aren’t remotely fun to max with, for example
And that’s a huge amount of points
You can pick all the raids regions then have nothing else you want to do
restive storm
gridmaster bro the amount of times RL begged me to log into that cluster : /
ember grove
Doing runecrafting in leagues is the kind of thing that makes me contemplate my mortality
meager flame
gridmaster also did this really cool thing because it skipped all of the busy work type of content
chrome lantern
Or you pick a region with a boss you really like but it’s the only thing you ever want to touch in the region (morytania)
meager flame
where you were actually encouraged to try to do harder content that you might not be ready for despite whatever upgrade you had in the moment
so a bunch of people were in cg with like 40 hp
and so on
chrome lantern
I did cg at 42 hp first try ez
meager flame
it was just cool because it actually rewarded you going for it
instead of just leveling up and walking through everything
limber creek
FFXIV's trial is pretty good since it allows for players to play a massive part ...
yeah ffxiv has the free trial game figured tf out for real. it got me to buy it lol. just to support for what i had already played.
carmine junco
You mean the final fantasy 14 free trial that includes content through storm blood and lets you play to level 70 completely for free??
craggy cairn
yeah ffxiv has the free trial game figured tf out for real. it got me to buy it...
I had already played through the entire game on a subbed account and I still went and made a trial to replay parts of it because it's so good. I think OSRS could definitely do something similar.
Just make all F2P temporary Ironman accounts so they can't trade or whisper (similar to FFXIV), then unrestrict the map and quests. Make questing the main focus of F2P so that you can get a taste of the full game. You could even leave the member skills locked, and thereby lock certain quest chains until you buy membership.
brisk hill
RuneScape will continue to turn into Fortnite
2025 iron memes running the game
Just fix wildy & you guys can ruin the rest idc
craggy cairn
RuneScape will continue to turn into Fortnite
What does this even mean?
thick beacon
games at its best player counts rn
brisk hill
What does this even mean?
RuneScape will continue to turn into Fortnite lol
limber creek
I had already played through the entire game on a subbed account and I still wen...
Does ff14 have the botting epidemic we do though is the real question.
And the answer is. I dont have a fucking clue but i doubt it.
limber creek
Just fix wildy & you guys can ruin the rest idc
Plea
thick beacon
RuneScape will continue to turn into Fortnite lol
do u play f2p mainly now?
craggy cairn
RuneScape will continue to turn into Fortnite lol
Have you ever played Fortnite? The two are nothing alike lmao
brisk hill
do u play f2p mainly now?
No I pay for membership
thick beacon
if they want to keep adding updates they have to make game easier overtime they cant release content with no incentive
brisk hill
You just said the game has the most players ever rn or somet
& they don’t do that already
This is a nothing burger
brisk hill
You just said the game has the most players ever rn or somet
How can you argue that something needs to change then in the same breath say player counts are the highest ever lol
Idgi
Just fix wildy stop wasting time
craggy cairn
Does ff14 have the botting epidemic we do though is the real question.
And the ...
There are a lot of bots in FFXIV but most players don't notice them. Gil has far less impact than GP since the majority of content for casual players is story-related and most BiS gear is earned and not bought, so gil farming bots only really sell to the RP/housing crowd.
thick beacon
im saying that the game got fortnited because jagex pitches updates and commuity votes that stuff in. (I assumed by fortnite u meant made the game easier)
brisk hill
Meme game
craggy cairn
teal has got to be baiting you rn
blissful topaz
F2p gets less updates than it deserves but about the right amount given the thre...
every new p2p content that comes out theres already bots farming it making more damage then f2p ones could, because of the gold per hour is aaaalot more
thick beacon
I think if u tried the meme content u might apperciate it
brisk hill
I’m not baiting
thick beacon
cuz by the way ur talking I doubt uve tried the newer stuff
brisk hill
I think if u tried the meme content u might apperciate it
Idk how I’m supposed to appreciate guaranteed green log after ~350 kills
But to each their own
limber creek
I love how one of our biggest hold backs from updating anything in the wilderness is how much gold bots will generate.
Then you go and add a mid game piece of content with a 200 mil pair of boots that every single main wants for bis.
Barrier to entry is being able to shoot a scobow and having like 43 prayer lol
small anvil
And a lot of skill lol
craggy cairn
> game is turning into fortnite
> fix the wildy
bro wants the game to be fortnite
blissful topaz
\> game is turning into fortnite
\> fix the wildy
bro wants the game to be for...
brother theres more bots in P2P then F2P
brisk hill
The game is turning into Fortnite thanks to iron memes lol
Ge use soon for irons only
Like don’t get mad at me for my opinion lol
brisk hill
Not my issue I’ve been here for a few days now & have had plenty of conversations
craggy cairn
"turning into fortnite" but won't elaborate
Oh okay sorry, didn't realize that's all you had to do
"scroll up lmao"
meager flame
tbh the only ge use that irons should ever have is selling stuff to put in like a bond pouch where you can never remove the gp
restive storm
2200 and bis prayers unlocked on my "pure". (pls say gz)
meager flame
and thats only because if you want to sell your dupes you just drop it to main or friend as is
blissful topaz
@craggy cairn why are you rage baiting, its in the rules that u have to be civil and not cause trouble
meager flame
it would probably sink extra gp if it went into a pouch
since the left over gp would be useless
restive storm
yeah rage baiting not coool
brisk hill
The game is turning into a meme game because of irons. Take example : moons content. Guarenteed green log in osrs is craz to me
But to each their own
Enjoy that I guess
craggy cairn
Thank you, that explains it
meager flame
tbf moons is the closest content to actual oldschool rates that we've gotten in a decade
carmine junco
The game is turning into a meme game because of irons. Take example : moons cont...
You're aware that everything is guarunteed to green log right, that's how statistics work
meager flame
barrows is like a 1 in 8 chance for loot
brisk hill
You're aware that everything is guarunteed to green log right, that's how statis...
Yeah gl completing the mega rares
I guess we should make those easier too
blissful topaz
u cant greenlog whole collection log
limber creek
And a lot of skill lol
bots dont care about skill at all my brother.
thick beacon
The game is turning into a meme game because of irons. Take example : moons cont...
depends how u view it jagex including 3a is extremely based and makes log basically impossible to complete imo
blissful topaz
3rd age pieces impossible
meager flame
kq gwd dks etc also all have very forgiving rates
carmine junco
Yeah gl completing the mega rares
Yet people do, some things are harder to ge than others. Cry more I guess.
brisk hill
depends how u view it jagex including 3a is extremely based and makes log basica...
Good
meager flame
its really just the "new oldschool" or whatever you want to call it
brisk hill
Yet people do, some things are harder to ge than others. Cry more I guess.
No one has completed the whole log why are you so upset saying cry more l0l
restive storm
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1461365816015589438 oh good a whole channel specifically for a PvP event (content creators only btw)
restive storm
look @ that they can right click -> add channels
silk thicket
I’m not sure dupe protection is problematic
carmine junco
No one has completed the whole log why are you so upset saying cry more l0l
Because you're in here trolling people
brisk hill
Because you're in here trolling people
I’m not? I said the game is turning into Fortnite with grinds like moons
craggy cairn
You say:
Not my issue I’ve been here for a few days now & have had plenty of conversations
I say:
"scroll up lmao"
You say:
That’s not what I’m saying
You say:
Yeah I mean I said it a few messages ago to
But scrolling hard
Claims to not be trolling
brisk hill
That’s not trolling lol
carmine junco
I’m not? I said the game is turning into Fortnite with grinds like moons
Fortnite = moons in your mind I guess
brisk hill
Fortnite = moons in your mind I guess
It’s a meme yea
limber creek
No one has completed the whole log why are you so upset saying cry more l0l
the cloest one was only 37000 hours away i think i can recheck lol
brisk hill
I’m not even trying to pk anyone for their spade
carmine junco
Opinion = trolling automatically
They are if they're clearly inflammatory and nonsensical
brisk hill
They are if they're clearly inflammatory and nonsensical
I appreciate that opinion!
Thanks
craggy cairn
Opinion = trolling automatically
I agree with your opinion, I don't think green logs should be easy. I disagree with how you're phrasing your opinion
brisk hill
Thanks!
craggy cairn
No worries
brisk hill
But no need to get aggro
silk thicket
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1461365816015589438 oh good a wh...
Idm things like that tbf bcos it gets ppl interested in pking
carmine junco
No one is aggro, you're just trolling and aware of that, so you expect anger
brisk hill
Not hard to understand sentence: iron memes turning game into Fortnite
Just have imagination
silk thicket
But they should look at streamer skill too
restive storm
Idm things like that tbf bcos it gets ppl interested in pking
then they login, realizes pking sucks in the main game 🙁
silk thicket
Rather than just views
restive storm
and refuse to update it
limber creek
I’m not even trying to pk anyone for their spade
i am. Ill never stop.
brisk hill
No one is aggro, you're just trolling and aware of that, so you expect anger
I’m not trolling
limber creek
silk thicket
then they login, realizes pking sucks in the main game 🙁
We take what we can get l0l 2 weeks of activity better than nothing
brisk hill
If you look at the grinds you have to do nowadays
thick beacon
post 2014 content basically
ye I mean 2013 was barrows bis and endgame. theres just way more to go for and to an extent higher standards
carmine junco
What does that even mean?
craggy cairn
Not hard to understand sentence: iron memes turning game into Fortnite
Just hav...
The game isn't becoming a battle royale, there are barely any emotes or cosmetics, the only real micro transactions are bonds
brisk hill
Could mean a lot of things!
carmine junco
You're comparing two completely different things. You're just obviously trolling
craggy cairn
bro doesn't know how to make an analogy
silk thicket
He just saying it’s less grindy game
limber creek
Timmyscape.
brisk hill
IMO
carmine junco
Right...
silk thicket
Idk I don’t think dupe protection is that bad, like getting a bunch of ahrims hoods as a main would be sad too
thick beacon
are u made purely at irons or just the overall game?
brisk hill
2026 Ironman is like 2013 main
silk thicket
It’s just reducing variance
carmine junco
Thing now is different from thing before
silk thicket
Helpful for all account types
carmine junco
Teal: 
brisk hill
are u made purely at irons or just the overall game?
No one is mad lol
vivid ruin
Ironmen need their own server. Their own market and their own rules. Stop ruining core game
limber creek
Can we get a pvp channel yet in timmyscape discord please.
carmine junco
Ironmen need their own server. Their own market and their own rules. Stop ruinin...
Market?
true talon
Ironmen need their own server. Their own market and their own rules. Stop ruinin...
? we dont interact with the trade side of the game XD
craggy cairn
No one is mad lol
Didn't you just say people were big mad?
carmine junco
for the iron ge coming out this year.
What's a ge?
true talon
bots is ruining the core game, not ironmen
vivid ruin
? we dont interact with the trade side of the game XD
You can drop trade to main game
brisk hill
Didn't you just say people were big mad?
When referring to me, no one is mad
limber creek
? we dont interact with the trade side of the game XD
just every single update being made around you.
vivid ruin
You need a ge to buy bonds from and thats it
brisk hill
(I am not mad)
true talon
just every single update being made around you.
No its not?
thick beacon
& then deironed
whyd u deiron?
meager flame
ya i mean thats a good update tho
craggy cairn
Noone here is mad, we're all just talking
carmine junco
(I am not mad)
You repeat as you shrink into a corn cob
brisk hill
whyd u deiron?
Game shits out resources for you
true talon
Just because irons benefit from it, doesnt mean its an update catered around them.
restive storm
whyd u deiron?
games boring when u just spam pvm for every resource in the game
thick beacon
ur not wrong
meager flame
just let irons dump their shit at the ge and get taxed slightly more
brisk hill
Yes I know lol
restive storm
i deironed at like 2050 total like 5-6 years ago lol