game-update

[silk thicket]

Exactly

So tell us what it takes to ban

And fking ban

[restive storm]

Boxing is already here?

[brisk hill]

It’s cringe reading this dialogue I’m ngl no wonder mods don’t type here

[restive storm]

I don’t get ur point lol

[sharp cave]

ok it brings back boxxing everywhere

which is also bad design

idk if we are under any illusion that its not?

[small anvil]

Box the NPC is gone

And would be brought back

[brisk hill]

Do you think it’s better than what the system is currently?

Both have flaws

[sharp cave]

i dont think its better, but i think the system of trying to catch freezes and then walking under people to log out is horrible

[meager flame]

depends on who you are

[brisk hill]

Anybody can be an a-hole but let’s try and suggest things

[restive storm]

But you can still do everything while frozen it isn’t like being stunned lol

[minor whale]

Yeah they're literally just a bind

[small anvil]

The change being limited to multi makes me think you're reading a bit too much into it. It's not targeted at 0 risk at all honestly

[restive storm]

What are you talking about “bringing back boxing?” We have more boxing now than ever

[small anvil]

It's so that multi fights have "real winners"

[restive storm]

Any time you’re in combat with a bot or pvmer you’re basically boxing

[small anvil]

Which is a weird goal to have

[brisk hill]

I agree with that

Clans dictate who wins

[silk thicket]

They said in the update post about it

[small anvil]

But like that's the actual goal of the change

[brisk hill]

Why is Jagex worried

If worried about it host a j cup

Idk

Do something

[meager flame]

tbh i think their change is just reactionary and not even addressing anything

they probably saw like one fight that was crazy and took forever

[brisk hill]

Reactionary to what though

[meager flame]

and woke up and decided to change something

[restive storm]

This is absolutely what happened

[small anvil]

Steamer winning

Whining

[brisk hill]

A 100 hour war is nothing though

Wars have gone on weeks

[silk thicket]

What streamer would whine about a war they weren’t in

[brisk hill]

^

[silk thicket]

They just didn’t like it

For whatever reason

[meager flame]

you've just gotta think ppl have been able to do this for like 20+ years

[small anvil]

Dino or something just probably complaining about "winning" but they just keep coming back

[meager flame]

but suddenly now its a pressing issue

[brisk hill]

The most recent war that would’ve possibly made them think about this was literally 86 hours

The longest was back in like multi rev caves though if I’m not mistaken

They would’ve been aware way before

[sharp cave]

btw, hope nobody thinks that being able to run an endless stream of players with 1 item to extend a multi battle is good game design and isnt a symptom of absoultly shit game systems

[brisk hill]

You are a bundle of joy

[restive storm]

Is it fun gameplay? I don’t think so, but the people that do it just fight each other in multi, they aren’t like hunting random pvmers or something so who cares what they do

[brisk hill]

Well said

[floral blaze]

If you put your enemy team into 1 item why are you still staying to fight? You already won

[meager flame]

genuinely its probably not great game design but i also dont think its really that huge of a problem

[brisk hill]

It’s actually hilarious clearing a team in 1 item idk

You should try
It

[small anvil]

It's possibly one of the last remaining artifacts

[meager flame]

obviously if some guy streaming is getting chased everywhere probably ban the people harassing them but if you're a regular player

jagex already gave you every tool to solve it for yourself

[small anvil]

Of the wildy of old

[brisk hill]

I think this is more likely why a change was suggested tbh

Streamers in multi getting “ragged”

Pls don’t lecture me about game rules

[small anvil]

Yeah of course

[brisk hill]

They still intended for a change etc

👍

[meager flame]

im sure that is why they wanted to change it

[restive storm]

Probably right but god it’s so obnoxious the lengths they go to for streamers while ignoring everyone else who pvps lol

[meager flame]

its just weird that they tried to mess up everything else for that

like a regular player can just hop turn off chat go somewhere else etc

[small anvil]

It's a small change they make on behalf of streamers. much more likely they just have 0 idea the impacts

[meager flame]

and if someone can really hunt you down after that

idk im impressed good work on their part

its obv different if you're streaming

since they can just watch where you go

[brisk hill]

“Inundated” is how the backlash was described & as expected

[sharp cave]

yeah? we are talking about the region in game thats a blackhole for joy so what do you expect

[brisk hill]

I’m sorry you feel that way

[sharp cave]

not just me

[brisk hill]

So we should remove it

Got it

[sharp cave]

no

take the bosses out and put them elsewhere

[small anvil]

There's more people who are militantly anti pvp than there are pvp enjoyers these days

[sharp cave]

let the pvpers fight themselves

not pvmers

[meager flame]

this is the understatement of the century lmao

[brisk hill]

I can agree to an extent

But you have to be honest

[meager flame]

i wouldn't even mention removing the wilderness pvp and speak it into existence

because there are a lot of people that want that

[restive storm]

It exactly how food chains work

[brisk hill]

Without rune rocks there is no reason for people to hop at rune rocks

What would you suggest

[sharp cave]

oh wait, that would kill the wilderness? because people are not there to pvp, most are just there to farm gold off weaker opponents

[restive storm]

Wildy was fine before the pj timer and singles revs

[restive storm]

Great! So you do understand there’s gotta be food at the bottom

[small anvil]

People don't enjoy being food

[brisk hill]

& the people who aren’t there solely for PvP are there for easy gold idk the issue

[sharp cave]

i dont know im not a game designer

[vivid ruin]

No. Pvping has different sectors. You have the people killing bots and pvmers -> then you have the people killing bots and pvmers if theres no pkers available

[brisk hill]

The answer is in nature luckily

[small anvil]

The bots end up filling the niche that jagex kept wanting people to be in

[vivid ruin]

Pkers = more bank than pvmers

[brisk hill]

Yea it’s a food chain

I mean I could make one @restive storm

[restive storm]

The good news is they don’t have to be if they don’t want to

[brisk hill]

We could just post

[restive storm]

WWW

[small anvil]

That's why the wildy is dead 😔

[restive storm]

That’s not it at all actually

[sharp cave]

wonderful, really engaging that my only purpose is to be kicked around

[brisk hill]

Wildy isn’t dead, there’s too many worlds for pvpers to find each other

[brisk hill]

Evolve lol

[restive storm]

It’s that the bottom of the food chain basically can’t be eaten rn due to singles+ design

[brisk hill]

Nature providing the answer again

[floral blaze]

That is by choice btw

[restive storm]

So there’s no little Timmy’s for the big dawgs to eat

[vivid ruin]

I was pking on monday and i ran into tons of pkers in exit caves/vet area

MONDAY

[restive storm]

I mean you can climb the ladder

[sharp cave]

i mean its a choice to enter the wilderness in the first place

[floral blaze]

Yes?

[sharp cave]

locking pvm content behind it is just bad design

[restive storm]

It isn’t

[brisk hill]

You don’t have to do the content

[restive storm]

Some people like pvm and pvp

[brisk hill]

There’s plenty of other content lol

[sharp cave]

dont have to play the game either i guess

also a choice

[brisk hill]

Yeah I mean

[meager flame]

tbf people kind of do have to do mage arena if we're not trying to be obtuse

[brisk hill]

That’s up to you lol

[meager flame]

even though thats very easy

[brisk hill]

Really trying to understand the point of that last comment

[restive storm]

Absolutely right, but we’re trying to make changes cuz we like the game and want it to be the most fun it can be

[vivid ruin]

How is a small portion of pvm content with high reward being locked behind potential pvp content bad design lol

Is arc raiders a bad game?

[brisk hill]

Bad! Bad! No! Shoo!

rubs nose in poop

[sharp cave]

im suggesting changes that would make it fun for the majority of players

so...

[meager flame]

so i dont think its inherently bad

but i think if you were to ask 100% of osrs players that question

you'd find out most of them dont like it

[brisk hill]

Why do you have to kill Callisto though lol

[meager flame]

so it probably is bad for this game

[small anvil]

(I think you guys should acknowledge the pvpers here are an interest group aimed at maximizing happiness of a specific subset of people lol)

[sharp cave]

it has uniques i want

[vivid ruin]

Id recommend never touching the wild

Its a huge part of the game

[brisk hill]

and you’re an iron I assume?

[sharp cave]

ye 🙂

[brisk hill]

What does a vw do for your progression?

[restive storm]

How would removing content make it “fun” when it just removes a core piece of the game in favor of homogenizing the game even more

[sharp cave]

so im not allowed to want one?

[restive storm]

You are just go get one man lol

[sharp cave]

like i dont even care about losing the 50k fee or whatever meager loot ive got

[small anvil]

Vw is really good at a bunch of pvm

[brisk hill]

You are just earn it like the rest

[small anvil]

Guaranteed damage specs

[vivid ruin]

Play a main and buy from ge. Problem solved

[sharp cave]

its just being interupted every kill or second kill

[meager flame]

its a good spec weapon for a lot of content and some harder CAs

[brisk hill]

Yes I’m aware

[sharp cave]

having to regear

over and over and over

[tough nacelle]

This is the fundamental issue

[sharp cave]

its horrible

[small anvil]

Learn to freeze log

[sharp cave]

its a black hole of fun

[restive storm]

Stop dying just freeze them and log out

[tough nacelle]

It’s not about that

[vivid ruin]

The game should not pander to irons lmao

[restive storm]

It’s impossible to die in singles rn

[tough nacelle]

Its not about dying

It’s about frequent interruptions

[restive storm]

?

[tough nacelle]

Imagine you’re doing doom

[brisk hill]

It shouldn’t be in singles in the first place. The content should be in multi farmed by teams so you have a chance to fight back

[tough nacelle]

And every time at random

[brisk hill]

Simple as

[sharp cave]

i dont care about dying and losing 150k of loot

[tough nacelle]

You have to leave the kill midway

[sharp cave]

freeze logging takes longer than just dying and going again

lol

[restive storm]

People die at doom all the time what are we saying

[tough nacelle]

Sometimes it’s not for an hour

Other times it’s every 20seconds

[tough nacelle]

It’s not the dying

[restive storm]

Should we make it not do damage?

[tough nacelle]

It’s being force to leave at random intervals

[restive storm]

Well that’s still an interruption

[sharp cave]

i die at doom because of my mistakes

[tough nacelle]

Because someone attacks you at a high frequency

[meager flame]

tbh i think its really interesting that people are so divided in osrs based on game mode lmao

[tough nacelle]

It’s not

[sharp cave]

not because someone decided its time to die

i cant avoid being interupted at widly bosses

[tough nacelle]

Dying is not the same as being forced out of the room at random

[sharp cave]

i can avoid dying by playing better

[meager flame]

because that shit doesn't even matter like i've pked on a main, pure, maxed a main, killed bosses, maxed an iron etc

[sharp cave]

freeze logging or not, im being interupted becuase someone wants 150k in loot

[restive storm]

Also having done thousands of Wildy boss kc yall are wildly blowing outta proportion how many people ok there lol

[tough nacelle]

Dying should 100% happen in the wildy

[brisk hill]

You could also make the farm more enjoyable by having a couple of friends & doing it in multi

[meager flame]

and lmao i didnt really turn into a different person each time i played a different character

[tough nacelle]

Depends wildly on the day

[brisk hill]

& take away the constant reset lol

[meager flame]

sure i learned a few new things each time but lol

[tough nacelle]

It’s definitely not bad every day

[brisk hill]

The issue is the bosses being in singles

Simple as

[restive storm]

Yeah I mean I’d def use my brain and say not to do it on a weekend evening lol

[small anvil]

You have a broad view of the game, most people just react to the narrow slice they know

[tough nacelle]

But when it is bad i just log off for a while

Because it’s quite frustrating

[brisk hill]

Just make friends & do content in multi

They made a solution for this

[tough nacelle]

Multi is even worse

[restive storm]

Ok that’s fine too, nobody is forcing you to grind it out

[vivid ruin]

Its so easy to anti pk. Especially in singles

[small anvil]

This is the game where people will do everything to solo the group content in pvm

[tough nacelle]

I don’t do the content because I don’t enjoy it and VW isn’t required, I’m just providing context

As to why wildy bosses are annoying

[restive storm]

It’s totally fine to take breaks from content that’s frustrating you

[brisk hill]

Sick mmorpg

[hasty shard]

multi or singles

[tough nacelle]

And why people won’t want to enter the wildy

[restive storm]

I took a break from inferno while learning

[hasty shard]

ive only done a bit of the bosses for cas and i dont remember it being terribly bad

[tough nacelle]

Inferno is less frustrating than wildy bosses tbh

[restive storm]

Mostly multi tbh, done like 4200 solo vetion still no pet

[hasty shard]

inferno is shockingly not super frustrating

[meager flame]

only if you do the wild bosses wrong

get a scout

cant die

[hasty shard]

hot take alt content fucking sucks

[tough nacelle]

Yeah but needing a second subbed account and a stupid plugin

[sharp cave]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaay now i need to pay for 2 memberships to engage with this content!

omg such good design

[restive storm]

Not a hot take at all just bad design

[tough nacelle]

To mitigate the wildy risk is dumb

[hasty shard]

i REALLY shouldnt feel like I need an alt to do things effectively

i feel this more for corp than wildy bosses to clarify

[meager flame]

it is what it is

[tough nacelle]

There should be risk for wildy bosses

But it shouldn’t be annoying

[meager flame]

you make enough gp from them for the bond too

[hasty shard]

like fuck me can corp get a rework already 😭

[vivid ruin]

Tbh your jagex acc having membership should cover all of your accs but thats another subject

[tough nacelle]

The gp is doodoo vs other bosses now

It’s mostly pet farming and VW logs

[restive storm]

I have to pay for four accounts to be able to find pkers in the Wildy currently so I don’t got a ton of sympathy for yall here lol

[tough nacelle]

I think ultimately we want the same thing

[sharp cave]

nice, well im glad we are trying to pander to such a tiny community

[tough nacelle]

Risky high stress fun situations in the wildy

But what we get are low risk annoying situations

[brisk hill]

No one panders actually

[tough nacelle]

So no one engages

[small anvil]

Jagex profiting off making the wildy empty

[sharp cave]

really dont see why we have to shove all this stuff to entice pvmers so pkers come, and then apparently theres still no pkers

makes you think doesnt it?

[brisk hill]

This is the first time the wilderness has been talked about & it’s multi teleport changes no one asked for lol

Buddy just mad he’s died for bones at altar one too many times tbh

[tough nacelle]

@restive storm like you don’t find the players easy to kill, and they can easily escape, yet they still find it annoying. It’s because the fundamental issue isn’t losing gear or gp

[restive storm]

I mean it’s mostly cuz they killed it with the pj timer

[hasty shard]

people who mald over chaos altar are so funny

[tough nacelle]

It’s definitely not the pj timer

It’s more

[hasty shard]

i hyper optimised my suicide runs it was fun

[tough nacelle]

It’s the design of the wildy vs what people want

[restive storm]

U know how many pkers I see on a daily basis but I can’t hit them cuz they’re attacking a pvmer?

[hasty shard]

enchanted symbol 💪

[small anvil]

I literally afked chaos altar for my 99 prayer

Lost maybe 5 loads of bones

[sharp cave]

funny enough the wildy altar is like prime good wilderness content

[restive storm]

Like 95% of the pkers I see aren’t actually an option to hit

And I’d love to hit them

But I’m not allowed to

[tough nacelle]

That part sucks for sure

But I think people not entering the wildy is another issue

[sharp cave]

why?

[restive storm]

Bro this is what I mean why it’s such a big problem lmao

[tough nacelle]

The pj timer doesn’t fix the issue

[vivid ruin]

Yeah again. Pkers = better loot

[tough nacelle]

There’s so many issues

It’s definitely neglected

[restive storm]

Because the pj timer man lmfao, the game doesn’t allow me to attack them off a pvmer or bot if they’re attacking it

[tough nacelle]

Pj timer removal would be fine in wildy but we need to do more

That change alone won’t make a difference

[restive storm]

AMEEN so that and more I’m down

[tough nacelle]

It might help 15%

[brisk hill]

No it’s bad game design becuase you never know when a naked guy with no risk is gonna kill you for 50k and make you regear at the bank & then tele back

[small anvil]

PJ timer is squintz pet issue

[brisk hill]

Sounds familiar!

[tough nacelle]

I will say in the wildy it’s silly

[brisk hill]

[small anvil]

And I'll admit I didn't realize how impactful it was before he explained it

[tough nacelle]

The wild Wild West

Being about fair fights

[restive storm]

The Wild West*

[meager flame]

the problem is that the pj timer also solves issues

[small anvil]

Make the whole wildy multi!

[brisk hill]

Yes

[hasty shard]

less than 44k

[restive storm]

Not more than it creates for sure

[vivid ruin]

This + remove pj timer would be great

#game-update message

[brisk hill]

My time!!!

[hasty shard]

ue

[dawn jackal]

people just need to realize it's ok to die in the wildy even if it's "unfair"

[tough nacelle]

I don’t think it’s the main problem

[sharp cave]

wouldnt removing the pj timer just mean the meta would be having a 2nd player tag the actual pker to get them off the main?

like the 2nd player could be in rags?

as long as the main didnt fight back?

[dawn jackal]

trying to make all deaths fair is real misguided

[meager flame]

yeah thats a thing that used to happen

[tough nacelle]

Set a random timer between 1 and 15 min

And go do Yama

[brisk hill]

Yes! And that it’s ok!

[tough nacelle]

If the timer rings you gotta leave

[brisk hill]

Because nothing is fair

[tough nacelle]

Doesn’t matter his HO

[limber creek]

thats literally one set of bots at wbr lmfao. Get in a clan and go clear them brother.

[tough nacelle]

HP*

[dawn jackal]

its the wildy if you don't wanna get into nonsense don't

[meager flame]

it will also resummon all of the old reasons that they added the timer to begin with like

people trying to go out in singles and having 6 guys spec them

[scarlet dawn]

Even with hotspots, imagine a wildy without pvm content 😄

[meager flame]

and then they'll bitch about that

and we'll all go in circles

[dawn jackal]

this isn't inheritly a problem though

[restive storm]

Yeah and then more and more people come join in the fight

[brisk hill]

Why would it be a hotspot

What makes it a hotspot?

[zinc galleon]

yeah that's kind of how it was, and so you were encouraged to play in teams

[restive storm]

And leads to actual pker v pker interactions which we hardly have now

[meager flame]

it is though for those people

[dawn jackal]

who people

[scarlet dawn]

Money making (cali, vetion, etc)

[meager flame]

they go out to singles to presumably fight one person and instead

its unplayable because they can't fight one person

[limber creek]

theres skull prevention for the smoothbrains out there. if you still get skull tricked i earned your set LOL

[restive storm]

Can still use pvp worlds for this type of thing

[meager flame]

granted you could just say hey let just

[sharp cave]

seems like anything they do will either fuck over solos or fuck over teams?

[dawn jackal]

if you want 1v1 fair fights there's avenues for that

[meager flame]

never go to the wild as a single player again

[dawn jackal]

that's not the intent of the wildy

[sharp cave]

fixing solos fucks teams, and vice versa

[meager flame]

but thats counter productive

you want more people in the wild

[restive storm]

Yes, solos can go to pvp worlds that’s always been their space

Look at how many solos are really out there rn, versus how many ppl used to pk in teams

[brisk hill]

More teams = more solos in down time when teams aren’t active

Ecosystem

Food chain

Wow

[sharp cave]

yeah i mean the people in pvp worlds are the the actual pvpers

[meager flame]

and honestly

[hasty shard]

make dspear fail on multi lines clearly

[scarlet dawn]

You can find pvmers in pvp worlds, at cali, vetion and so on

[meager flame]

i dont even really see why singles exists if you want people to be able to switch off for specs or to make sure nobody can die

why not just make the entire wild multi at that point

[limber creek]

Why are we arguing with people that clearly dont have pk experience.

[tough nacelle]

It prevents clans

From taking over it all

[meager flame]

it doesn't though without a pj timer

thats why the pj timer exists now

[tough nacelle]

Small teams are viable

[sharp cave]

because we are a part of the ecosystem and chain?

[meager flame]

people clearly dont remember the complaints before we had it lmao

there is a reason jagex created it

[brisk hill]

& you have the choice to evolve

You’re cherry picking lol

[limber creek]

you're like the lowest link lmfao. Boss up beast.

[dawn jackal]

the complaints weren't from pkers were they?

[sharp cave]

or just leave and never return

[meager flame]

they were

[limber creek]

Victim mentality

[sharp cave]

which is sadly the most fun option

[tough nacelle]

It was to allow you to survive being attacked by clans

[limber creek]

Are you an ironman

[meager flame]

people pvming were getting speared and maced and shit like that

[tough nacelle]

Because you outplayed people

[meager flame]

which wasn't great either

[sharp cave]

yes i am

[limber creek]

LOL

[minor whale]

People higher up the chain complaining their food supply is both dwindling and also that it needs to simply not enter the wilderness if they don't like the rules (which no longer are the rules, they just want the rules to go back to what benefit them to most) is really funny

[restive storm]

Because in singles with people passing you around you can still definitely tank it, if you get bolted by 40 people in multi you’re dead and there’s nothing you can do about it

[tough nacelle]

Literally this

They’re refusing to acknowledge why people don’t want to enter

[obsidian venture]

Yeah kinda ironic

[scarlet dawn]

Haha yeah, Im a pker at heart but please remove anything other than pking from the wild

[meager flame]

yeah so its just varying levels of multi but for some reason we dont care about the solo pker

[sharp cave]

it is lol

[brisk hill]

The only ones saying “leave and never come back” are the ones who wanna gut the wilderness already. I’m not saying don’t come back. I’m suggesting people who are victims to make friends & fight back in teams

[meager flame]

when those guys do exist too

[brisk hill]

You’re the only one parroting that lol

[tough nacelle]

But it makes no sense for easily 1/3 of the playerbase

[limber creek]

Yes the rules of multi revenants. Great job pyro with another take that only exists inside your own head.

[restive storm]

People higher up the food chain are complaining cuz the middles broken so now we have to eat the little pvmers, or just sit there afk not doing anything

[brisk hill]

To fight back?

To have friends for the content

[tough nacelle]

Yeah for an iron it’s pointless

[hasty shard]

friends? in osrs?

[tough nacelle]

Multi wildy bosses are ass because of clans

[timber drift]

quick poll whats everyones total lvl and wildy boss kc

[hasty shard]

imposible...

[minor whale]

So many times during these arguments people have literally said "Just don't enter the wild if you're not prepared to get skull tricked or pjed" which is hilarious because those things kept people from entering

[sharp cave]

why is it pointless?

[brisk hill]

sick mmorpg

[obsidian venture]

Socializing in my mmo?!

[hasty shard]

2276, not high

i do have a vw blade though

[restive storm]

Maxed and like 5-6k boss kc

[hasty shard]

[limber creek]

Ironmen crying about pvp is funny as hell. They gonna fix that to for ya bro bro. Iron only wilderness, no mains can enter. Go enjoy your w/e it is ur doing out there.

After skull prevention its only been a matter of time tbh.

[timber drift]

lots people not replying though very suspicious

[obsidian venture]

Maxed and prob close to 2k kc

[minor whale]

Hahahaha

[brisk hill]

I think though this ties back into really the main issue of the wilderness for the said lower food chain.

There isn’t content rn that’s actually worth your time other than getting a unique

[meager flame]

maxed and maybe like 1k kc on them between my various accounts

[restive storm]

These things aren’t even possible to happen rn what are you talkin ab?

[brisk hill]

Content needs to be more lucrative but not meta for irons

[hasty shard]

the drive to do wildy content is miles away from me tbh

seeing shit like having to do 20k revs just sounds awful

[sharp cave]

end of story i guess

[minor whale]

Skull prevention doomsday guys I can't skull trick anymore THIS IS THE END

[obsidian venture]

Still possible if folks are ie

[meager flame]

wilderness bosses are very dumb tbh for multiple reasons we were talking about the other day though

[minor whale]

Exactly, and them coming back isn't going to make more pvmers enter the wild lmao

[meager flame]

like the part where you actually cannot die unless unwilling to play correctly

[hasty shard]

i really feel like you should have to have multi boss kc to unlock singles

[meager flame]

so they're not even really wilderness content

[obsidian venture]

At the end of the day… I miss the jank old wildy bosses

[tough nacelle]

Base 90s but like 50m combat xp per skill and a few thousands kc between accounts

[scarlet dawn]

Kinda ironic Jagex drags pvmers to wildy, but also releases skull prevention..

[restive storm]

I mean it’s possible if you’re just a brainlet, but you have to actively try to get skull tricked in today’s age, and you can’t get pied unless you literally allow it to happen

[limber creek]

Adding a boss with new highest gp/hr in game to non wilderness. Best update ever wow can't wait.
Adding revs a mid tier money maker by todays standards to the wilderness multi. Worst update ever pkers just want to hit pvmers.

[brisk hill]

You’re gonna give that jin guy an aneurysm

[obsidian venture]

Yeah but it’s possible

[sharp cave]

as opposed to taking them out and nerfing them?

guess tahts impossible

[restive storm]

I mean I’ve made somewhere like 12-14b from it post skull prev but maaaaan could you imagine if that button didn’t exist rofl

[meager flame]

unless its like framed trying to setup a video on you waiting to catch you on the way to the boss cave

[tough nacelle]

Skull tricking isn’t even an issue imo

[meager flame]

you just cant get pked

[sharp cave]

then again youd hat that wouldnt you, becuase it would remove all the easy targets

[tough nacelle]

The new button is there

[limber creek]

Maybe put that suggestion before you cherry pick from someone else. Reddit tier arguements should be bans.

[tough nacelle]

But again, not the reason people don’t engage with wildy

[meager flame]

and honestly if that were really happening you could sweep the area with your alt first

so the alt still saves you

[tough nacelle]

Imagine doing agility wildy outside mass worlds

And you just get attacked with 15k loot

Now you gotta haul ass back there

[limber creek]

Time to throw a fit.

[tough nacelle]

And it’s exhausting

[brisk hill]

I’m not hunting pvmers. I’m kind of the top of the food chain hunting the little Timmy’s hunting the pvmers. I think you’d find the people you are interacting with that are pro PvP in here are the same.

[minor whale]

Skull Prevention made a lot of people more comfortable with going into the wild/fighting back knowing there wasn't gonna be some dumbass wilderness rule that suddenly made them skill up on a guy hiding up a ladder and having a name 1 letter different in a string like Iiilllliiil

[hasty shard]

i wish wildy agility was just like, removed instead of buffed

[meager flame]

i mean if you were wise you still usually didnt get skull tricked like the classic

[sharp cave]

why not just play in pvp worlds?

[limber creek]

Just not hitting back also solved skulling in the wilderness because you're not apt enough to read names 😄

[zinc galleon]

something i've been thinking about is that they need to hire someone who designs multiplayer maps to help them with their wilderness monuments: slayer cave, multi bosses + escape caves, zombie pirates off the top of my head. They are horrible to play from a movement point of view

[sharp cave]

genuine question whats the difference?

[meager flame]

where someone runs up and attacks you on 10 hp so you kill them then they login underneath you hoping you skull up trying to loot

if you actually go to the wild you know what it is

you're right clicking to loot

its not gonna work

[limber creek]

Escape caves are the worst lol

[small anvil]

I imagine it's harder to find someone on pvp world than multi and hop

[floral blaze]

Ice plateu tele and im back there in 30 secs wym?

[hasty shard]

cant you scout in escape caves or something silly

like you just drop aggro on world hop

[tough nacelle]

The level of players doing it for xp probably don’t have that tp available

[meager flame]

then jagex added things like disabling left click attack and so on

[analog crow]

Saw some dork trying this with an Abby dagger at ferox the other day

[limber creek]

30 whole seconds bro. pvmers have to have 100% content uptime or else its terrible update. thats why theres teleports to directly everywhere in the game. Ironscape.

[brisk hill]

It’s not organic. PvP worlds are just: did you spec? Did I spec? Ok reset. Wilderness does involve a hunt & escape. It’s not like PvP teams in multi aren’t being hunted by the bigger team. You just aren’t aware of that as you are only pvming

[zinc galleon]

i feel like you need to go experience it for yourself; try to go to vetion with just salad robes and kill a bot

[minor whale]

You're free to stay pissed all you want they stopped people from falling for dumb shit, but that's not going away
"I want more food!" and "I want to be able to skull trick again!" are antithetical and why nobody takes you guys seriously lmao

[floral blaze]

You can buy tabs on the GE

[tough nacelle]

And the xp rate takes such a hit that people will just go back to rooftops

[tough nacelle]

Not irons which is 1/3 of the playerbase

[obsidian venture]

Yes for sure

[floral blaze]

Self imposed restrictions, deal widit

[hasty shard]

bane did you see i got nib

[limber creek]

Post wilderness kills since you obviously know what you're talking about.

[hard axle]

Good good…

[tough nacelle]

They do, they just don’t do it, then you complain no one enters the wildy

[vivid ruin]

Irons kill this MMO tbh

[restive storm]

We aren’t even asking for more food, nor are we asking to remove the skull prev button so I don’t see how this is constructive at all

[hasty shard]

fuck irons

[floral blaze]

I dont care for ironmen in my wildy

[meager flame]

truth about the wild is that actually fixing it long term is probably a job so big they will never justify doing it

[limber creek]

@minor whale Post kills please. I need proof you have the slightest clue.

[hard axle]

Cater around mains who do go in

[meager flame]

because of how many players actually go there

[sharp cave]

i rly dont see how anyone could seriously advocate for bringing back skull tricking

[scarlet dawn]

Campaign mode lol

[vivid ruin]

Delete it immediately. Or give them their own worlds, rules and market.

[sharp cave]

and not be like an actual evil person

[hard axle]

Is it bad that I don’t even have that enabled

[floral blaze]

Make a singleplayer port offline port at this point 🤣

[hard axle]

Legit, shove irons onto different server, no more contradictory leeches

[restive storm]

I’m not evil bro I’m just not gonna pay real money to play this game when my style of play is so neglected

[minor whale]

365 is constantly saying they need to get rid of it and that skull prevention directly is leading to the death of the wild lmao

[restive storm]

So yeah I’m gonna skull trick the little noobs

[zinc galleon]

it's a roleplaying game, ever done like an evil playthrough on bg3?

[timber drift]

yes please

[hasty shard]

question: should they remove wildy clue steps
assumption being people usually dont bring their whole bank for a step and just one item a ww or something

[timber drift]

from an iron

[obsidian venture]

Nah. Gz tho! What kc

[minor whale]

Don't even know where to go to find 'wilderness kills' stats

[hasty shard]

10

[limber creek]

Its called a slope. But im guessing you've never heard of that either. You love cherrypicking. Post those kills beast. Show us you've done a day of pking at all.

[restive storm]

No cuz plenty of idiots still bring risk when doing them

[floral blaze]

Enganging elements that actually resemble an MMO? Not allowed!

[sharp cave]

whats your style of play? using jank mechanics to trick someone into risking everything they have on them?

[limber creek]

Yeah we kinda all knew you wouldn't be able to.

[brisk hill]

There’s a thing in edge

[vivid ruin]

I dont think they should be deleted. But i dont think you should get repeated steps in wildy with same clue

[minor whale]

?

[limber creek]

Thats so funny

[tough nacelle]

No no you’re missing the point

[minor whale]

I'm asking where to go lmao

[meager flame]

this is interesting because if you asked me i'd say no because im not going to lose anything and it doesn't matter

[restive storm]

Any sort of Wildy content In general

[edgy swift]

agreed. also as an iron player

[meager flame]

but other people will screech about regearing

[minor whale]

JFC get your head out of your ass lmao

[limber creek]

Homie dont even know about his wilderness kd and is trying to change pvp in the game

[tough nacelle]

The wildy needs to be dangerous not annoying

[limber creek]

Pvm johnny showing his colors rn.

[tough nacelle]

It’s not dangerous it’s just annoying

[restive storm]

But yeah since pj timer since there’s no pkers I skull trick and pass now

[meager flame]

so i almost want to say yes just to like

[sharp cave]

i was specifically talking about skull trickers being evil

[obsidian venture]

Outside edge bank

[meager flame]

separate the people who cant get along

[tough nacelle]

It’s the equivalent of burning your toast

[obsidian venture]

Facing ditch

There’s a board

[brisk hill]

Right they tried that with the scape caves & that’s pretty bad

[meager flame]

like i honestly do think the wild would be better if it were for people who want the wild

[hasty shard]

isnt k/d just always in the corner in wildy anyways

[tough nacelle]

Imagine you had a 50/50 chance of burning your toast

[meager flame]

and they just gave other people no reason to ever go there

[dim night]

make normal acc only worlds where u can only access it by buying a different membership package (more expensive)

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[hasty shard]

my godly k/d of 1/66:

[tough nacelle]

You might just fuck it and stop

[obsidian venture]

It’s a toggle option

[brisk hill]

Can toggle off

[hasty shard]

ic

[hard axle]

Reddit finds dangerous to be annoying, hope this helps

[meager flame]

no idea what they'd have to do to get the wild fun for those people once you removed the people that hate it

but maybe they'd actually get some updates and people wouldn't auto vote no on their stuff

[tough nacelle]

Not wrong LOL

[hasty shard]

they should add last recall for wildy content thoughts

[hard axle]

I care about balance more than anything else

[limber creek]

That's not very nice pvm johnny.

[tough nacelle]

I just wish we had less annoying mechanics and more risk

[brisk hill]

Hell my guy jin in here thinks so too

[limber creek]

Post your kills

[sharp cave]

daaaaaaaaaaym

[minor whale]

I'm asking where to go to post the kills

That doesn't mean I don't have kills

I just don't check it?

[meager flame]

this is the real secret to osrs

nobody actually wants more risk

[tough nacelle]

Like increased risk ups drop rate, but you can’t be killed inside the boss area, but once you leave you can be killed and you can’t logout

[brisk hill]

It’s an epidemic we aren’t trying to be negative about but rather solve so help us help you 🙂

[meager flame]

like lol

everyone likes the idea but they hate the loss

[limber creek]

If you can't even check your kills i care 0 about your thoughts on anything pvp related.

[hasty shard]

wildy sea:

[meager flame]

so every time jagex puts up a poll about risk or creates new content with risk

[tough nacelle]

If you leave from dc or teleport you lose all gear dropped in the boss area but make the base loot good enough that it’s a penalty to leave early

[brisk hill]

If you were to go the wilderness for content: What would be worth a death in your opinion @sharp cave

[tough nacelle]

And not escape the wildy

[meager flame]

people either vote no or they dont do the content until the rewards vastly outweigh the risk

[hard axle]

kills don’t mean much ngl, almost all my kills are bolt ragging, but I just learned the mechanics while pet hunting

[brisk hill]

Asking anyone really

[meager flame]

thus you get the wild we have now

[minor whale]

Alright I've hopped on mobile someone lead me there

[sharp cave]

nothing im not risking anything

[limber creek]

Its time spent in wilderness. Period.

[obsidian venture]

It’s an interesting dilemma on both sides but if I had to choose, I’d want wildy to have more risk.

That being said, the risk part is diminished with excessive botting. It is cool though that new accounts can farm gp for rebuild series and whatnot. Would it better for all content to have X restrictions?

[brisk hill]

Sw of you on the outside wall

There’s a board

[sharp cave]

im happy to go in black dhides with a rune crossbow and 100 bolts

[limber creek]

If we build content around bots we'll never have another boss or raid.

Is that where we want to go.

[floral blaze]

Multi is what balances the botting issue. Bots were never a problem in multi revs - we had a working formula.

[hasty shard]

i feeel like the bar for entry should be higher than like 'maybe has a rune scim'

[brisk hill]

That’s not answering the question

[tough nacelle]

But they can just tp out

[meager flame]

tbf its not really the same idk why people want to draw that comparison because it makes the wild look worse

[brisk hill]

But ok

[minor whale]

There how's that

[brisk hill]

Ty

[tough nacelle]

You gotta limit tp too

[vivid ruin]

There should be a tutorial for wildy access

[brisk hill]

[limber creek]

only 20 minutes to find your k/d. LOL

[sharp cave]

really i dont know what to say? i just want to kill the bosses and do the content

[meager flame]

its like hey look people bot those too but not nearly as many because it takes way longer to make the bots to do that content and oh look

theres like a billion more bots in the wild rn

[hasty shard]

4.2 kd and still uses prayer gear

[minor whale]

You're SO mad dude

[sharp cave]

i dont want to have someone jumping in every second kill making me reset or fuck about doing a freeze log dance

[meager flame]

like lol

[minor whale]

Boosting on ship for opulent salvage

[limber creek]

300 more kills and you can have an opinion baby girl.

[hasty shard]

i rescind my statement

[meager flame]

its not a helpful comparison for the wild its more ammo to nerf it or remove stuff from it

[floral blaze]

They could also tp out then, but they were competing with other players at the same time. The whole dynamic made it not feasible to run farms

[tough nacelle]

Nah freeze log dance is fine, you just gotta not be interrupted

[brisk hill]

Yeah that’s a consequence of wildy bosses being the only content for pkers

[scarlet dawn]

Yeah you have to vote no on polls to put any content to the wildy

[hasty shard]

i saw rc bots at wizards tower earlier

[tough nacelle]

To justify the freeze log dance

[hasty shard]

tbh i rarely see bots i swear it just doesnt happen on aus words

[meager flame]

it probably doesn't happen often because of the latency

[restive storm]

Multi bosses for sure, less pkers checking, I was doing it in the morning and hardly ever got hit

[meager flame]

like if i setup a farm in my room rn they would run like shit on aus worlds

[limber creek]

go take a look at zombie pirates on any member world my homie. We can bot watch together and talk trash about em.

[hasty shard]

what did he mean by this

[tough nacelle]

Screw the delay, make it so you can’t tp out without diaries 😈

[hasty shard]

sorry im a noob redditor who is afraid of the wildy i wasnt counting it

[meager flame]

oh yeah the giga cannon zombie pirate farm

[minor whale]

Thanks @brisk hill for not being an ass about it lol

[meager flame]

tbf though

[obsidian venture]

Thought this was proposed at some point

[meager flame]

zombie pirates were a bad update from the beginning and literally everyone with brain cells told them it was for bots

and they didnt listen

[sharp cave]

what does this solve?

[limber creek]

mans praising someone for a conversation=down bad

[brisk hill]

Respectfully I’d still suggest to Jagex 1k kills to vote on PvP but nice own

[obsidian venture]

Tbf his kd is fine as is to warrant an opinion

[zinc galleon]

Pk trip to zombie pirates rn promise i wont BS :^)

[hasty shard]

isnt revs tp delay tied to hard diary

[tough nacelle]

Yeah

[limber creek]

Sub 1k and those opinions yeah idk about that big dog.

[hasty shard]

ngl wildy elite is one of the easier ones genuinely move stuff up a tier

[obsidian venture]

Bots I believe but folks argued it’d impact the normal player

[hasty shard]

oh yeah my biggest wildy complaint is that the warning on the poh obelisk cant be removed at doomsayer

[scarlet dawn]

1k actual kills, no pvmers 🙏

[tough nacelle]

I think you need both opinions of pker why it’s unfun and pvm Andy on why they don’t engage

[hasty shard]

it annoy me

[brisk hill]

1k kills in the middle of gdz

No one in here would last lol

[sharp cave]

we have bots completing sote and farming CG with thousands of kc though?

[tough nacelle]

Blighted supplies are good

[meager flame]

tbf you just shouldn't be able to teleport out of wilderness boss rooms period

[brisk hill]

Only me

[obsidian venture]

A positive wildy kd is still better than like 95% of folks who enter the wild

[scarlet dawn]

Haha thats farmed in a day

[sharp cave]

its barely going to impact anything

[true talon]

Reddit thinks losing EHB or EXP from being attacked as annoying. your talking about people who literally go out their way to make pathing to a bank to save a tick a priorty.

[sharp cave]

all its going to do is make legit players who are farming it early worse off

[hasty shard]

i think 90% of my deaths are just from 99 prayer

[meager flame]

the whole thing is stupid like lol whoever designed that just has no clue

you cant log into the boss room and you cant enter faster than their cctv will see you

[hasty shard]

i got killed by a goldfarmer in rev caves because i misclicked once and i still think about that

[meager flame]

thus nobody can die if they do the right thing

[obsidian venture]

Yeah for sure and that’s interesting because what steps can they meaningfully take to prevent stuff and without impacting the normal player

[true talon]

"we cant have custom inventory loadouts" its removes the skill of banking quickly???

[meager flame]

i hate these people

lmfao

[hasty shard]

my only actual kills are in like. castle wars

maybe soul wars

[obsidian venture]

Skill issue ngl

[limber creek]

even if you do get into a singles boss the 1t tb bots are on you.
and if you miss then even humans are going to escape because of wilderness player alarm and other noobscape plugins.

[brisk hill]

Come
To the altar with me & feast on bones fella

[meager flame]

you'll get a kill at wilderness bosses if you hit the people back at some point especially at spider

[true talon]

"we cant have macine that fly" it reduces the skill of traveling........

[brisk hill]

[scarlet dawn]

Its okay, you would otherwise have 2 minutes to idle at the bank if they continued with the wildy tele change

[hasty shard]

freezing at spider sounds so funny

[meager flame]

im not even kidding either like some of those dudes just run in and if you just melee them

they will die

[limber creek]

its a valid tactic

[sharp cave]

they could reduce the timer based on risk maybe

[hard axle]

Salvaging nerfs

[brisk hill]

That’s the suggestion that made them hold off

[true talon]

There are people in this world who think incovience and them dealing with it as a skill and valued trait. so they advocate for nothing to change, so that they can remain ontop of being someone who can do it.

[brisk hill]

The problem they’re trying to fix doesn’t even exist to clans

[true talon]

they are called problem causers

[meager flame]

i mean i understand people being good at certain things or whatever but

everyone just draws the line somewhere

[hasty shard]

i think risk restriction worlds would be a cool experiment

[meager flame]

like for me i dont think banking is playing the game so if people want loadouts sure

[limber creek]

The hopping update was made for shop scaping irons.
But negatively affected pvpers to not be able to play the game once we hit hop limit.
Why didn't we add a risk amount to that to prevent logins?

[hasty shard]

something like you can only enter with 500k/1m/20m/100m n stuff

[obsidian venture]

I think banking is a skill still so wouldn’t want presets

[brisk hill]

Dead worlds tbh

[limber creek]

Game is so made for irons we gotta balance every update around them. Even pking which they recieve 0 loot for.

[hasty shard]

real

[tough nacelle]

I would love presets from a QOL perspective

[brisk hill]

Few ppl go out in 100m risk

[sharp cave]

bank tag layouts get pretty close tbh

[obsidian venture]

Yeah I get the qol of it

[hasty shard]

50k risk world

[true talon]

This is false

[tough nacelle]

Unfortunately this keeps happening at endgame

[obsidian venture]

But I’d personally be against it

[true talon]

Game is not balanced around irons

[meager flame]

ya bank tag layouts are already strong but even before they existed

[tough nacelle]

I can understand that

[brisk hill]

Better off being a normal world

[limber creek]

Dang where is it wrong beast.

[tough nacelle]

Eye of ayak, and Yama

[meager flame]

i'd just order everything in a way to effectively make the same thing happen

[hasty shard]

fk i meant 50k cap

you cant enter over 50k

[true talon]

?what this have to be with irons???

[brisk hill]

Oh shit

[tough nacelle]

Old content definitely isn’t balanced around irons but new stuff definitely is

[meager flame]

you've gotta understand

its really simple

[tough nacelle]

Mostly the new midgame irons

[meager flame]

if people dont like it

[true talon]

adding content to the game that adds mid upgrades below mega rare/bis is now catering to irons? not just to mains who have less bank than 10b??

[meager flame]

it was either pkers or irons that caused it

please learn

[limber creek]

Seasonal gamemodes and ironmen woohoo!

[obsidian venture]

You can skip slayer for trident

[sharp cave]

considering a large majority of players play the mode i dont see why it shouldnt be

[hasty shard]

batchest!!

[obsidian venture]

And go straight to ayak

That’s cracked

[hasty shard]

ayak skip is so funny

[limber creek]

my banks less than 10b and i don't need mid game gear. Thanks for the assumptions though.

[hasty shard]

i'd genuinely send doom with moons gear asap

[brisk hill]

Well one of those groups don’t get updates so hopefully everyone has the correct answer

[tough nacelle]

No no, just the BIS being low requirements and removal of slayer grind was catering to low level irons that are newly entering the game

[hasty shard]

like doom is such a piss easy chill grind

[meager flame]

tbh irons and pkers should be friends

[brisk hill]

MO thanks

We are 2 opposite ends

[meager flame]

the irons just massed up a population to not get bullied

[brisk hill]

They work hard for their rune scim

[meager flame]

where pkers had the same problem but eventually lost the war with mains

[brisk hill]

I take it

[limber creek]

Crazy when they're supposed to be alone and such.

How much they affect every update for every player in game.

[meager flame]

its just funny because they have the same problems

[brisk hill]

No they get updates

[tough nacelle]

They really do

[brisk hill]

No

Lol

Guys

[tough nacelle]

Same issue though

[brisk hill]

Disingenuous

[meager flame]

they get updates because theres enough of them

[brisk hill]

So disingenuous

[limber creek]

You guys have no clue if you think its the same in any way and thats the issue.

[brisk hill]

Saying they’re the same is tone deaf respectfully

Parallels ok

[limber creek]

How long since last real pvp update teal? 2 years? lol

[brisk hill]

But the SAME

HUH

[tough nacelle]

The argument isn’t do they get equal updates

It’s that it’s a similar fundamental issue

[meager flame]

nah it really is the same its a bunch of people that dont understand how their game works and then start blaming the problems of the world on them

like lol

[tough nacelle]

That what that group wants isn’t exactly what other players want

[meager flame]

someone earlier today said that moons dupe protection is because irons exist

[hard axle]

They also gas themselves up so much 💀

[brisk hill]

Who in this channel that is advocating for pvp doesn’t understand what the issue is

[meager flame]

like regular people don't want loot and rewards for their time

[sharp cave]

could the problem be that almost nobody wants pvp updates and that almost everyone wants normal updates that benefits normal AND irons?

no?

[brisk hill]

That’s what you get already yet there’s a pvp scene asking for updates

[tough nacelle]

IE the majority of irons want easy fast grinds for gear, and pkers want more content that might not be the best for the health of the game (multi revs, increasing wildly pvm rewards to bring people in)

[limber creek]

These guys are so off base its crazy tbh...

[tough nacelle]

The difference is pkers don’t get any updates

Because they’re the minority

[brisk hill]

That’s a pretty big difference LOL

[true talon]

if we being honest here the slayer grind to unlock mid game weps like whip an trident being all the way in 85+ is just bad balance in today's game, but they cant just outright lower abyssal demons down or krakens. so they instead add filler items that are easier to obtain.

[meager flame]

yup because there aren't enough pkers to justify it

[brisk hill]

Irons are actively getting changes for the game

[sacred oracle]

[brisk hill]

Pkers aren’t LOL

That’s a HUGE difference

[meager flame]

the same thing would happen to irons if they werent 30% of the population

[zinc galleon]

https://discordapp.com/channels/324132423636090880/532299343068266506

pull up for zombie pirate pk trip

[tough nacelle]

I know what you mean, I just disagree with it since it used to be a great feeling to get those unlocks

[limber creek]

Welcome. Can pvpers have a chat channel yet please.

[brisk hill]

Idk I like being in front of the normies

Makes them think

[scarlet dawn]

This is our pvp channel

[sacred oracle]

I'll be honest, if it's anything like this chat has been for the last week or so, I would noooot be eager to have it.

[meager flame]

but realistically if you've played the game long enough to have been around before irons and before pvp was dead

you know that people just used to talk about pkers the same way

[sacred oracle]

There's been a lot of, ah, heated and targeted comments in this channel lately.

[meager flame]

and also that updates always make the game easier

regardless of what game modes existed at the time

[restive storm]

I mean it’s been civil in here? I get more hate thrown at me when I post in the old school channel

[limber creek]

Been a lot from the pvmers. Like the guy who told me to pull my head outta my ass. Surprised he didnt catch a chat ban like i did.

[tough nacelle]

There were definitely some toxic posters

[small anvil]

There were some really nasty dms from one of the people

[tough nacelle]

Lately it’s been better

[sacred oracle]

It's still something that's being considered though 👍

[small anvil]

Not the ones that stuck around

[restive storm]

Yeah, but I get some horrible things thrown to me when I mention I’m a pker in other channels too

It isn’t just here lol

[small anvil]

But like there's some awful p people in the pvp world :/

[sharp cave]

thats because usually u are complaining about sailing 😂

[brisk hill]

I got called an incel day 1 tbf

Becusee I hunt spades

[limber creek]

Did you considder the fashionscape channel at all or was that an auto add because of sick cool drip that influences gameplay so much? Genuine curiousity.

[meager flame]

the main problem with pvp chat is that there is a minority of people in pvp who are actually crazy

and they attract other non pvp crazy people for verbal war

lmao

so it usually derails eventually

[true talon]

Pvpers could get changes if they werent extreme bias.
"i need to be able to fall in on someone in 2b risk an get the kill with my 100 people spec trading"
"i want to get the tb on the poor ironman an have their prayer disabeled while i freely hit them so i can get 400k"
"i want to get rewarded for doing basically nothing but bullying defenseless people"
"i want to find a actual pker an then moment they fight back i can freeze logout"

[tough nacelle]

Question: is the bot spam report ban a real thing

[scarlet dawn]

My gear includes a crozier, does that fit fashionscape channel?

[tough nacelle]

Where if you pk bots they spam report you to get you banned

[sacred oracle]

Don't know anything about that

[brisk hill]

That’s why integrity changes would be needed

[limber creek]

Omw to attack you!

[tough nacelle]

Or is that just a rumour

[limber creek]

yeah i figured thanks beast.

[sacred oracle]

You can fire off a modmail if you're curious, though. That's lore from before my time.

[meager flame]

its also a funny situation where there are two teams

[tough nacelle]

I think there’s no integrity change they can do to fix the issue right now lol, the wildy is a mess

[meager flame]

and one is far larger than the other

[limber creek]

No thanks. I asked a mod and he said no.

[meager flame]

the people not wanting to die or actually pvp massively outnumber the people actually trying to pvp

so their updates get shut down constantly

[brisk hill]

You’d just have to decide who the wilderness is for. You can’t make it fair & retain PvP

[true talon]

Half the time i can ust throw on mystic and throw a TB at someone who isnt praying and they will instant teleport away for fear that im a bait lmao

[brisk hill]

Some of it won’t be fair

That’s how things are

[restive storm]

No idea I don’t waste my time killing bots in singles+

[meager flame]

i mean i think you could rework the wild entirely to still be about pvp but also be more fair

[vivid ruin]

Pvp in any game will never be fair

[meager flame]

i also think jagex will never put that much work into it though so idk

[limber creek]

Now you're getting it.

[meager flame]

depends on what you mean by fair

[restive storm]

It being “fair” rn is why it’s so dead

[meager flame]

people aren't equal but plenty of games give you equal opportunity to play against each other

[limber creek]

We need impactful changes. More than multitudes of changes because at most we get 1 thing for the next 2-3 years man.

[true talon]

Just give pvpers the BH crater with briding

[tough nacelle]

Oh I don’t mean the fair issue, I just mean the mentality of the wildy

[limber creek]

Ironmen get an update every tuesday.

[true talon]

Most pvpers want to bully people and not fight real pkers

anyone who says otherwise is gaslighting

[sharp cave]

ironman player base is many multiple times bigger than the pker player base

[vivid ruin]

Not true

[brisk hill]

I just want to fight in multi

[sharp cave]

why is this suprising

[vivid ruin]

Ive went over this 3 times today

[restive storm]

True and real, and also at the same time they want to bully other pkers too they just aren’t currently allowed to

[limber creek]

Brother please stop just doing reddit posts in the chat when we're genuinely talking.
This is the dumbest take in the entire discord and people keep parroting it over and over.

White dots to red dots is something you one day will understand.

[restive storm]

The fact that no pker has to fight or tank other pkers leaves the pvmers baring all the hits if anyone’s trying to kill someone

[vivid ruin]

Pvping isnt black and white. Different pkers aim for different targets. Low tier pkers go for bots and pvmers. Higher tier aim for pkers because better loot. If pkers are not avail, they become herbivores and chase pvmers just because.

[sharp cave]

and what would fix this?

[true talon]

Personally i think TB shouldnt be reduced from magic protect

if you get tbed then you need to fight it out or escape

[restive storm]

Brings back pker vs pker interactions

[brisk hill]

Coming from the guy who think pkers only want to hunt defenseless pvmers?

I’m very confused

[restive storm]

Rather than pvmers being the only people getting hit

[limber creek]

maybe at the 1b mark. But plenty of people i fight get ate on the daily lol.

[sharp cave]

and how do we do that? without funneling more pvmers into the wilderness as bait?

[true talon]

pvmers easily die on a half lol. if i get tbed i dont run i just escape by freezing.

[scarlet dawn]

Thanks, this is what I wrote yday. You cant reach that without removing the non-pkers lol

[restive storm]

Bro I’ve said 450,000 times in the last few days remove the pj timer lol

Even if only for skullled people

[scarlet dawn]

Remove all those worlds, make wildy smaller etc

[true talon]

However bots can tank on a half easy, because they got cheats.

[brisk hill]

Allow skulls to pj skulls

[tough nacelle]

This would be okay

[limber creek]

another unhinged take.
have you ever tried killing a dude in a bulwark and full barrows gear in a normal set? lol

[tough nacelle]

I actually like that quite a bit

[restive storm]

Why does my GOAT mintmadcow get to go unskull every trip, then select the bot he wants to hit then reskull everytime. He risks 25k on the return and like 5m when he’s hitting a bot

[brisk hill]

I’ve been trying to play devils advocate though & figure out if it breaks anything else

Unskull ragging will always be a nuisance & idk if you’ll ever fix it

[true talon]

nah because it allows people to spec trade "this is what the clans are advocating for"

[limber creek]

ill pj you off my account with my alt in an avarice and adamant cbow in rev caves. Gratz you played yourself.

[true talon]

they want to spec trade people in singles

[minor whale]

As in only skulled people can be pjed

[tough nacelle]

Can’t you just turn off spec transfer in wildy

[brisk hill]

You lose avarice don’t you? Ty risk

[true talon]

thats not what spec trading is

[tough nacelle]

But you can’t

[limber creek]

im gonna freeze log you first hit in black d'hides because for some reason people in crossbows always do this.

[tough nacelle]

If you’re unskilled

Unskulled *

Because then you can’t be pjd

[true talon]

Before the PJ timer, you could have 100 people fall in on 1 guy in max risk, an then constantly trade him off to people with spec weps like d bow/claws/ags ect we didnt have voidwaker back then.

[tough nacelle]

Yeah but if it only applies to skulled players

[sharp cave]

so the meta once again shifts to having 2 memberships to participate in the widlerness

[tough nacelle]

It’s the risk you take

[limber creek]

With voidwaker and all the powercreep im sorry stick to w19 with the pjing stuff.
Let us have a good multi update.

If its good do it there.

[true talon]

yes no1 spec trades a pvmer lol, the people advocating want the return of spec trading mass fallins, just write them off.

[brisk hill]

Isn’t it meta in general to have 2 accs

Couldn’t you argue it’s meta to have more

In all scenarios

O_o

[sharp cave]

it would be with the skull pj thing

[brisk hill]

I agree it doesn’t solve teams

If ppl are worried about that

There is a spec delay already in the game

It’s like 5 seconds

[restive storm]

No you could not “constantly spec” there was already a timer in place that prevented that

[sharp cave]

they have to be careful with pvp updates too, since... theres no rolling back if its broken

[restive storm]

That’s just factually incorrect lol

[limber creek]

Add multi revs.
Add 1t teleport delay below 30 wilderness.
Ill advocate for more changes next year because we'll be lucky if we even see one of these within the next year....

Or even one beneficial change to the ecosystem at minimum.

[true talon]

One of the things id want to see from pvp though, is the removal of parchments and the allowance of untrades above 30 wildy.

[brisk hill]

Also if you are a serious pker you likely have more than 1 acc already

[true talon]

at the cost of it breaking

[brisk hill]

Free rags

No thanks

[true talon]

and gp going to killer ofc

[restive storm]

Absolutely not don’t need more rags

[brisk hill]

I’ll return in castle wars top

[true talon]

It isnt rags?

[brisk hill]

It is

[scarlet dawn]

I think u can log before someone can pj currently?

[sharp cave]

this just disregards non pkers

[true talon]

if you die your gear breaks an you repair it so more GP goes to the pker.....

[limber creek]

I like the idea. But people will rag with this gear.
If we come up with a way to punish ragging heavily though then im all for it lol.

[sharp cave]

which is exactly why everyone should be able to vote in pvp polls

[true talon]

its how it currently works below 20

[brisk hill]

No becuase if you’re a pvmer you’re likely not skilled & not being spec’d

And still just dealing with 1 guy

👍

If you are skulled you are participating in what the wildy was designed for

Gz I can bolt you

[limber creek]

very strategic gameplay to dump 100 voidwaker specs on one guy.

sorry you gotta bolt once inbetween

[brisk hill]

Praying mage has been meta since pj timer too btw

Like before

When teams had fall ins lol

Nothings changed

[sharp cave]

but if im unskulled im highly incentivised as a pvmer to have a skulled alt to tag people whol attack my main???

[tough nacelle]

Its a 20 tick timer that’s pretty massive

[brisk hill]

Yes! Do that

[true talon]

100 people with arkan blades XD

[brisk hill]

It’s a sandbox game

[true talon]

burn baby burn

[brisk hill]

You’re allowed to do that

[sharp cave]

so yeah back to 2 memberships

nice

[brisk hill]

You don’t have to

No one is forcing you to

[sharp cave]

yeah and im at a disadvantage if i dont?

literal pay to win

[brisk hill]

You could just freeze & log

You could just tank

You’re not at a disadvantage off the bat

[limber creek]

You know where you're not at disadvantage if you don't follow the meta?

[sharp cave]

or i could pay and instantly take the pker off me iwth my skulled alt

[brisk hill]

Yeah

& that would engage in PvP for the other player too

& you’d esxape

Everyone is happy

[limber creek]

Seems to encourage ragging in the wilderness

Im not.

[sharp cave]

ok, ngl never expected people to advocate for pay to win in this context

[restive storm]

Yes you can currently

[zinc galleon]

last call for zombie pirate pk trip - i'm on my lvl 81 pure https://discordapp.com/channels/324132423636090880/532299343068266506

[brisk hill]

Who’s advocating for p2w

[sharp cave]

so i think the idea of skulled players being able to ignore the pj timer on other skulled players is a bad idea

[brisk hill]

I think it allows for pkers to interact with pkers

[minor whale]

Nah this was a solid suggestion from a ways back during a game jam
Untradeables would never disappear, it would just make them "mangled" instead of "broken" if above 20 wild, and 10x the repair cost (of which 9x goes to the pker and 10% just vanishes)
With pretty much all gear it ends up being as or more expensive than trouvers with pkers getting a larger % of the gp

[sharp cave]

yeah but it has unintended consequences elsewhere?

[minor whale]

It just means you can't go oops forgot to trouver my torso to do Wildy Slayer and now it's gone

[restive storm]

So we’re forever doomed to just have to spam farm pvmers?

[brisk hill]

That’s the point of “I’ve been trying to play devils advocate & figure else what else it breaks”

👍

[meager flame]

it just expands the range of the protection alt from singles bosses to all singles areas in the wild

[sharp cave]

idk i guess take all the pvm content out of the wilderness and then implement it?

but we apparently need fodder for the wild to survive so we cant?

[limber creek]

Remove singles they got pvp arena for that. 😤

[tough nacelle]

They need to do this

[restive storm]

The protection alt can already just bolt the pker, how would this change anything?

[tough nacelle]

Trouvers are stupid

Just make untradeables break

[limber creek]

Are you sure you wish to deincentivize wilderness slayer?