game-update

[frail holly]

So yah.

Ahk and rag bot clans are the issue.

[silk thicket]

U talking about the lvl 40 bots

That pk altar?

[frail holly]

And the clans that instantly show up the moment you fight one of them and have perfect ahk movement like naaaah

Unreal.

[silk thicket]

Bro

Ngl

Ur giving big time “anyone better than me is a cheater” energy

Maybe don’t get baited into multi if u don’t wanna get logged on

[frail holly]

Nah lad I can tell legit pkers from ahk easy

[silk thicket]

I’m sure u can

[frail holly]

Aint nobody swap full gear all while perfectly doing the rackson under you and making it almost impossible to hit back lmao.

[silk thicket]

Yes they do

lol

[frail holly]

• perfect prayer.

[silk thicket]

Yes they do

[frail holly]

Lmfao no they dont.

[silk thicket]

If ur 2 ticking stuff

Then that’s a you issue

[frail holly]

I 1tick stuff.

[silk thicket]

Then

It’s impossible to ahk prayer

[frail holly]

78 bh kill 0 death.

[silk thicket]

1ticking stuff

Cuz u can’t react

So ur predictable

?

[frail holly]

Combos ≠ cheat. Crazy mobility rackson under you avoiding getting hit at all / perfect pray and orbwalk def is cheatin tho.

[brisk hill]

dont implement the teleport changes suggested for the wilderness. thanks 👍

[frail holly]

• perfetct gear switch.

Dont forget about the 6-8 item switch instantly.

Lmfao

Yeah no. Fk the teleport changes

[brisk hill]

thanks

[frail holly]

(In wildy)

They need to ban rag bot + ahker clans. Thats all.

Nerfing the entire community for it.... jeez.

Theyll have me protestin at fally fs.

These bots literally be a swarm too.

If you dont believe it just watch last deadman videos.

Lmfao.

And still. First react was to ban hammer deathmatchers like what?

[frail holly]

Ah jagex....

[silk thicket]

Nobody can do this?

How’s my boy doing this then?

[frail holly]

Lmao lemme report yo boy lets see what jagex think

[silk thicket]

Plenty of ppl reported him

Ppl report me and I’m kinda bad

U can legit watch his mouse 🤣 🤣 why u dying on this hill bro

It’s so irrelevant to the update too

[frail holly]

Bro ahk doesnt stop the mouse movement.

Thats like thinking odablock doesnt WMK

😂😂😂

-Zew zew-

[silk thicket]

Holy

[frail holly]

"Its a pluggin broo"

[silk thicket]

Tell me u dunno what ur talking about

Without telling me

Cba

[brisk hill]

u can kinda tell just by where he clicks each item

including gear/prayers

its not ahk

ty ted talk 👍

[frail holly]

Ofc so can u see odablock mouse movement.

[silk thicket]

Ye and the fact his mouse isn’t teleporting

[frail holly]

1:1 wmk.

[silk thicket]

Jesus brother

Give it up

[frail holly]

Look it up.

Do u even know what wmk is.

[brisk hill]

no like where he clicks say his d boots

can tell is human and not bot

bc different click everytime lol

anyways lol

dont implement wildy teleport changes

[frail holly]

Def dont.

And lmfao he clicks exactly the same spot on dboots

Everytime.

Busted.

[brisk hill]

yep, you got him. bc an ahker would post evidence of themselves ahking, especially in the jagex owned discord server.

[frail holly]

Its his "buddy"

And he thinks its legit.

So yah. He would.

[silk thicket]

U want another vid

[restive siren]

he doesnt though

[brisk hill]

from the top rope!

[frail holly]

Look close on that dbot. He click on bottom right every single time.

Dboot*

[silk thicket]

Good pkers can do stuff ahkers could only dream of mate

[restive siren]

those are the click frames

[brisk hill]

its not the same spot though lo

l0-l

[restive siren]

you are talking out of your ass

or need glasses

[silk thicket]

Tyvm

[brisk hill]

[silk thicket]

Lmaoooooooo

This is gold

[brisk hill]

i didnt wanna do it but this guy did and im thankful.

[frail holly]

Nah fam not because u stop camera overing over it that this is where click happens. It stops at bottom right everytime.

[brisk hill]

regardless: dont implement the teleport changes to the wildy

[restive siren]

those are the frames he clicks

stop coping

people are better than you at the game

port khazard does similarly insane shit

and other streamers too

things i could never do and 99.999% of players couldnt

accusing them of botting because you cant comprehend it is just weird champ

[frail holly]

He click exactly 4 time exactly at bottom right of dboots.

[restive siren]

sure bud

[brisk hill]

no he doesnt

evidence

i wathced it 1 time didnt even need to stop & could tell

is not robot lol

respectfully. look up some edgeville hybrid vids from early days of OSRS. itll be a great learning exp 👍

[frail holly]

Yeah and dis guy not using wmk 1:1 suuuure.

[brisk hill]

are you saying the pk video and this are the same

[restive siren]

posts a completely different video

[frail holly]

Im saying theres definitely some hotkeys going on fam.

[restive siren]

why are green leafs always like this

[brisk hill]

it proves my point though

the wmk bot goes to the exact same pixel

everytime lol

[frail holly]

Green leaf with 0 death in bh and over 250 bh pts , only 10 streak

[sacred oracle]

[frail holly]

And world 6th in Armagueddon pvm.

[brisk hill]

mox have u always been p mod

[frail holly]

Sure.

[sacred oracle]

I'm not a pmod, just a regular player that happens to be a discord chat mod

[brisk hill]

oh

[restive siren]

you can be a good player and still say dumb stuff

very impressive though, gz!

[frail holly]

Keep think odablock dont wmk 1:1 and that this dude wasnt using "pluggins" suure.

[brisk hill]

they dont im sry

[frail holly]

Well see once jagex look into reports ❤️

[brisk hill]

ok

[frail holly]

I havent made a quick report in a few days so. If we get another mail ill post.

[brisk hill]

moving on: dont implement wilderness teleport changes 👍

[restive siren]

if oda was cheating hed been banned like 50 times by now, he has a ton of hatewatchers who would absolutely annihilate every pixel of suspicious gameplay

[frail holly]

Fr dont.

Wmk 1:1 is allowed.

Look it up.

Idfk why. But it is.

[restive siren]

sigh

[frail holly]

1:1 hotkeys i guess.

[brisk hill]

because 1 click = 1 action

is same

[frail holly]

Still some bs lmfao.

[restive siren]

show a clip of oda doing it

then ill believe you

[frail holly]

Bro he streams doing it.

[silk thicket]

Can u first

[frail holly]

You think he type zew zew everytime he dds.

Lmfao.

[tacit wharf]

good so it shouldnt be hard to find then

[silk thicket]

Describe what u think is happening when someone uses wmk

[brisk hill]

thats his plugin lol?

l0l0ll?

lord have mercy on us all

[frail holly]

Yeah same wmk 1:1 pluggin.

[restive siren]

what does that have to do with anything

good lord

[silk thicket]

💀

[brisk hill]

this guys also thinks every bot in the wildy is owned by Reign of Terror so gz me on that 1

[silk thicket]

Can u describe what u think wmk does

[frail holly]

Well the problem is a load of ahker and rot rag bots swarms .

[silk thicket]

Rq

[brisk hill]

seelol

[frail holly]

Not people teleporting fast back to wildy

Is the whole thing.

[tacit wharf]

now to be fair, i could see it being the case

[brisk hill]

logically ask yourself

if RoT was mass banned

why would they mass bot

[frail holly]

Nah. I said rot as an example. Bunch of "clans" doing it.

Like this lad posting videos of his "legit friend" lmfao.

[brisk hill]

well change the narrative pal!

just call them nefarious actors

👍

[tacit wharf]

u'd be surprised on how much rot does/doesnt do, but thats kinda off topic

[silk thicket]

?

[frail holly]

Point is. Why clap every pker with nerfed wildy tp because of bot swarms and ahk-ing clans.

[brisk hill]

yes! good

[hard axle]

just fyi, 1:1 doesn't actually mean shit

a jmod has actively confirmed this

[silk thicket]

It’s in a 2015 news post

Only wmk is allowed

[brisk hill]

i dont bother w/ that stuff so idrc personally, but that is kinda cool

[silk thicket]

No remapping of wmk

No ahk

Nothing

If u ever tried using wmk

[silk thicket]

Like the real accessibility support

[hard axle]

even if it's not 1:1, it CAN be okay as well

[sacred oracle]

damn, i was just about to post that screenshot

how dare you

[silk thicket]

You’d know it’s a huge pain and nobody would pk with that

[hard axle]

you know jagex picks and chooses what is okay or not

[brisk hill]

thats true it is their game

[frail holly]

😂😂😂 bro think wmk dont exist.

Jeez.

Your deeper than I thought.

https://youtu.be/FMhKeNLKsMs?si=m81A7-UV-4Cs3SQ_

[silk thicket]

Ye

Productive discussion

[brisk hill]

dont change wildy teleports 👍

stop restricting pvp 👍

[frail holly]

Your the one saying wmk doesnt exist and that ahker and Rag bots in the wildy or in deadman tournament are not a problem.

[silk thicket]

I didn’t say any of those things brother

[brisk hill]

they are but the issue at hand is tp's atm

[frail holly]

It feels like you use these pluggin and dont want the blame on wildy change shifted onto u.

[silk thicket]

Honestly at this point u gotta be ragebaiting

[brisk hill]

so advocate for that

[silk thicket]

So I’m out

[frail holly]

Nice no picture discord.

[tacit wharf]

skill issue

[frail holly]

😂 ur speaking to world 6th pvmer during amargeddon.

With a 74 bh kill streak. 0 death.

[tacit wharf]

yr speaking to the worlds best worst diary cape user

see i can make things up too

[brisk hill]

https://imgur.com/GOQgh9e

[frail holly]

Make up things he says 😂

Do you need screenies ?

[tacit wharf]

i know better than to click on pictures in this day and age

shoutout to sv for that

[brisk hill]

dont change wildy teleports 👍
stop restricting pvp 👍

[frail holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545377169157914625/1460008480831443074/20260111_153151.jpg?ex=69655a5b&is=696408db&hm=0a20b157fe4c3d7840c3cfdda0acecedbf47ee88edbd09bfed9f600ca73435fd&

74 bh kill - 225 pts worth of ornaments. Do the math.

0 death. 74 kill streak.

[silk thicket]

so u know nothing about nhing

[frail holly]

Right. No idea what that is but I sure know when movement aint real. Joke is they cant even catch me still. With all that fancy rackson.

Like. Time the freeze. Kbye.

• hits report -

Always a fun one.

The next day

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545377169157914625/1459995888180265000/image-5.png?ex=69654ea1&is=6963fd21&hm=4bcff6f4096202b4ab154b25a67dce8faaa9bfd4e429fb45cfd89960fb69425a&

But Idk what im talking about and to you. Ahker, and rag bots are not the issue in wildy.

Sure bud. Keep ahking.

Gg ur friend acc.

On that note. Say no to wildy tp changes. Ban rag bot swarms and clients users.

Ty

It must feel humilliating to chase a legit pker with clients and whole clan and still have him run away.

Always makes my night and gosh i live for the reports mails

Get those bots out our wildy.

And deadman tournaments.

Ty.

When 95% your mail is pvp cheater bans lol. Its a whole mission.

[silk thicket]

u know it says one or more

not that u were right about every account

it mightve been one bot

0 "pvp cheaters"

[frail holly]

I only report pvp cheater in wildy tho.

Bots logout too fast.

And rag bots i guess i got a few of those.

But lately mostly pvp cheaters.

😉

Cant wait for the new mail bout your friend report

Lmfao.

Keep defending pvp cheater and rag bot son. Like thats not the issues with your clans.

You pking in a clan says enuff

Boy needs friends to pk.

Shots fired.

Lmfao.

Wait no "clients frienda and bots"

Scourge of pvp fr.

[limber creek]

i mean anytime more than 10 players hop in a world at once a scout at every major location hops in to check it lol. This would just mean a few more scout bonds and you'd have people doing the same stuff elsewhere. You know this.

[silk thicket]

im not even in a multi can mate

?

[silk thicket]

ye maybe instead of using the message thing

actually check if the individual accounts are banned

maybe that would give u a more realistic understanding of how good (or bad) u are at spotting pvp cheaters 👍

[frail holly]

stay mad because I pushed your cheater buttons.

and said too much truth

on that note

Say no to wildy tele changes, dont punish a whole community over a bunch of losers that needs clans, bots and ahk client to pk

just ban the botters

ty

byyyyye

[chrome lantern]

You know a conversation is productive when the only point is, “Just ban the botters/cheaters lol”

[silk thicket]

I’m not mad mate I’ve just stopped engaging cuz ur rage baiting

[frail holly]

well thats the real issue with the wildy clan bot swarms

[silk thicket]

It’s worth the read u prob get a chuckle

[frail holly]

ty

and deadman tournament*

yeah cuz rag bots and ahk client users and clans such as ROT didnt ruin deadman last tournament

suuuure

and they arent ruining wildy by using bot swarms that tele right back in

suuuuure

cuz solo pkers and the entire community is the problem

suuuure

[sacred oracle]

Let's take it down a notch

Sarcasm is not conducive to productive discussion

[tacit wharf]

i can be but not right now

[frail holly]

alright

but thats the real problem iimo

not the entire community that earned their obelisk fast tp

[silk thicket]

Ye dw i stopped engaging it’s rage bait

Gonna cook dinner anyway

[frail holly]

no u

[sacred oracle]

m'm dinner

i'm thinking sushi tbh

[frail holly]

sushi sounds bomb

[sacred oracle]

[frail holly]

imma have a nap

Please dont implement wildy tp changes

[sacred oracle]

as soon as i finish this stack of clues i have left

[frail holly]

keep banning bots

[silk thicket]

One time I got a stack of 27 on my iron

But it was too many

I didn’t want to do 27 clues

So I let them all expire

[sacred oracle]

relatable

[restive storm]

Pls remove pj timer so i dont wake up in a cold sweat at night from a nightmare about ahkers running me down

[frail holly]

just ban ahker ^

[restive storm]

Also holy yall popped off in here

[frail holly]

they will have a falador protest if they add wildy tp timers

[restive storm]

They prob wouldn’t cuz everyone would just quit if jagex actually shows they’re that incompetent and also that unwilling to listen to feedback

[frail holly]

i hope so

also, it doesnt just ruin wildy

deadman coming jan 30

and if they think wildy timer the issue

we about to have another ROT like ruined tournament

pro tip, just pvm, finals will be ruined again

[restive storm]

I mean Rot is gonna win any sorta multi event should they do that regardless so it isn’t changing much of anything. It just makes pking worse to get into cuz u have to sit there not doing anything for 2m anytime you bank

[frail holly]

yeah thats just.... silly

[silk thicket]

I don’t think it’s 2mins unless ur lever hugging edge/ mage bank

[frail holly]

imagine grinding hard task wildy to have your obelisk tp nerfed because of bot swarms in clans tping back too fast

[restive storm]

i mean i dont think botting is really an issue in clanning atm is it? ahking/botting seems way more like a singles issue.. but i hear ya ive done wildy hard like 5 times

[silk thicket]

I guess if ur fighting altar ur normally fighting toward 30 line but id guess at least a min is spent teleing seed pod, resupplying, house tele to pool, then back to bank

[frail holly]

it doesnt take a minute to bank lmfao

[silk thicket]

But ye if ur looking at multi war angle then its a straight 2min nerf

[frail holly]

and that will nerf my income hard

like. everytime I run bank because I skulled id have to wait there for minutes?

ew

[silk thicket]

Ur killing boners at altar right?

It’s 2mins from u last attack someone

So factor in the time running to 30 line, opening ur keys, withdrawing more brews and pots

[frail holly]

i gear up in like 30 sec

so yeah at least a minute sitting

[restive storm]

in some cases itll matter less, but regardless its just nonsense to make pkers lives worse

[frail holly]

^^^

[silk thicket]

Eh if they really want to get rid of 1 item return wars then the risk based restriction makes the most sense

I think manked commented in here that it seems doable

It won’t effect anyone else except raggers, which is a good thing

[restive storm]

i guess, even if that is the case wish the time could be spent doing something a little more useful

we get maybe 12 hrs of dev time a year lol

[frail holly]

point is raggers are the issue.

not the whole community

so unnacceptable in my books

[silk thicket]

Anticheat been cooking recently tbf so have to give them that

But ye not many wildy updates

[restive storm]

have they? i havent hit ferox bridge of late so havent been keeping up on the bot farms

[silk thicket]

They been banning clienters real quick

[frail holly]

true that I get mails often on clienters now

[restive storm]

oh in that regard yea theyre pretty good esp if u just send name/clip/time/world etc to manked

[frail holly]

you dont even need anything else than name

[restive storm]

maybe if u dont care if they get banned in 1 day vs 3 weeks

[silk thicket]

He’s doing gods work

Same day bans go hard

[frail holly]

frfr

One day we might have a clean wildy

all legit use.

till then

pls dont screw up the whole community with timers --- I get it can be fine tuned so only ragger get affected ish

[restive storm]

definitely dont hold your breath

[frail holly]

but 2min seems way too long

i mean cheaters find a way

and thats the joke. ragger might find a way anyways and we just get clapped with timer community wide

(just add more raggers)

soz I dont think adding timer will change anything

at all

they need to fix the core issue

they like doctors focusing on the symptoms not the root cause

[restive storm]

youll never stop raggers regardless of what they try to do, waste of time trying... theyve been ragging for 20 years nonstop for a reason lol

[silk thicket]

Prob make ragging way more boring

[frail holly]

I stll have nightmares from deadman finales 30 ragger showin up like ok im dead

[silk thicket]

Gives them 2 mins to re evaluate what they’re doing every time

But ye I mean if someone starts ragging on alts to bypass

[restive storm]

those guys just gonna have a 2nd account and alternate

[frail holly]

exactly!!!^

[silk thicket]

Ye gotta pair it with faster bans

[frail holly]

nah, screw the timer

more bans

lowkey

IP bans

device bans

ban them for-real

[restive storm]

yeah thats overkill for ragging lol

[frail holly]

bro bans 1 account poof no more bot swarm

like

thats what we need

boy cheat on one account ? poof no more accounts *

go find a new network and device

[restive storm]

not a fan as ragging isnt cheating

[frail holly]

it will make them think twice

[restive storm]

its just idiots

[frail holly]

i mean bot raggers

but ok

[restive storm]

oh bro that isnt gonna even remotely stop those

lmao

[frail holly]

I mean if they IP ban and device ban the whole account collection?

[limber creek]

go to mage bank world 19.
Go to chaos druids and zombie pirates.
Go to singles rev caves.
Anticheat might be cooking but it sure ain't in the wilderness lol.
Doom uniques are up because they banned some of those though 😛

[frail holly]

would be more effective

[restive storm]

not gonna do anything still it isnt like theyre running 40 laptops off their home pc lol

[frail holly]

1 device ban would get rid of many account fs

[silk thicket]

What’s going on at mage bank?

I was talking about the clienter bans btw

[limber creek]

go find out 😄 plenty of bots banking their agility gains brother.

[frail holly]

1 internet IP ban would do even better

^^

[tacit wharf]

counter - vpn

[frail holly]

true

[restive storm]

yea i was gonna say i dont think u understand how those accounts are run... but w/e it isnt really important

[silk thicket]

They not bots

[limber creek]

Im sure they're all absolutely real people go find out!

[frail holly]

lmfao

aint no way

more like 1 dude with 30 accounts running

[limber creek]

Homie has no clue of the rag bots and debauchery that take place in w19 if all he links is agility fc lol. and thats fine.
But to clue you in go up there skulled and see what happens brother.

[silk thicket]

38,000 people in the server mate we hit fc cap regularly and the main reason we can run safely is the runners engage the pkers too

Bcos of pj timer

That’s why we run on bh world

[silk thicket]

Oh the other group

Ye dw

I been uh

[frail holly]

BH world my favorite so ikr brother

[silk thicket]

Ragged by 30 rag bots simultaneously

[frail holly]

jeez

[limber creek]

So you've saw the rag bot army that appears lmao

[frail holly]

cant make this up

[silk thicket]

Trust ik 🤣

[limber creek]

lolol i hate that stuff bro

[frail holly]

deadman all over again

[silk thicket]

Ye

They had 15 ppl in 1 item salamander on me before

[limber creek]

think singles is bad now remove pj timer and watch those login on every world anyones in risk lmao

[silk thicket]

Then they banked those and brought d spears

Just ragging me

None of them banned btw

👍

[frail holly]

d spear raggers are some cheese fr

they push u in multi

literally

u go around like yaint getting out of there

[silk thicket]

Ye that’s not ragging

Actual ragging is

[frail holly]

have u sat in multi with a bunch of d spear raggers

[silk thicket]

15 people with d spears speccing me 4 times and passing to next person

So I can’t do anything or pk

[frail holly]

just spec-ing u out like.

nope.

exactly

[silk thicket]

Spears r legit multi tactic bcos it stacks damage on 1 tick

[frail holly]

thats what im saying

[silk thicket]

And means u can’t eat

2 diff things

U have a few spearers in a multi team ye

Meta tactic

[frail holly]

nah im talking about a swarm of em

keeping u in multi

[limber creek]

idm a regular player doing these things.

Wilderness timer will just mean less real people to do these things to me 🙁

[frail holly]

just like u described

but u like to argue with me for some reasons

[silk thicket]

Am not arguing with u

[frail holly]

sure bud

[silk thicket]

I got confused cuz idk what u meant no biggie

[frail holly]

fair

[silk thicket]

Ye agreed

It def has some utility I think

Basing it off risk is useful imo however doesn’t rly stop raggers when they bank without dying

[frail holly]

wildy timer affects everyone tho, legit and non legit

when the swarm are the issue

[silk thicket]

Running back and forth 10 tile with crystal bow etc

[limber creek]

Daily reminder.
Wilderness relies on its foodchain.
Add 1t tele delay below 30 wilderness (for bots this will not affect 99%+ of regular players)
Add multi revenants.

I will personally kill every bot i can to keep them out

[silk thicket]

Ye that’s why we discussing the change in here

Trying to propose ways to make it more useful and less disruptive

Prob risk based is best way I’ve seen yet but it’s not perfect

But no change is gna be perfect

[limber creek]

Just don't change it at all on that front imo..

To many ways it will mess over normal pkers.
All for the benefit of one or two streamers that went to multi once in 2015 or something.

[restive storm]

This + remove pj timer cuz prob 98% of the entire game wouldnt be able to kill a bot even if they 5d it

[frail holly]

Insta logging bots are something too lmfao. But thats not the issue with the wildy timer.

More ban, no wildy changes.

At least rag bots you can report.

Insta loggin is like. Mmmk. I saw u but .... yep.

Most time you can even click on those. Maybe at chins if u fast af.

[royal glacier]

that is not the same spot LOL that guy needs glasses help him out

[frail holly]

Paused at different spot ≠ video not clicking exactly the same spot btw.

And as for ragbot swarm instead of wildy timmer

Just do IP / devices ban. It wont be perfect but at least it gets rids of the entire swarm for 1 report. They cant vpn every bot lol there has to be some farms ran by a few devices and with device wide bans you get rid of em all with one report.

Gl buying new devices for your farms every single report.

Adding a timer wont do crap because theyll just send more raggers in.

Fix the issue at the root.

Punishing all pkers with timer is wild.

And useless.

[restive storm]

example of skulled craws bot that nobody could potentially NOT know is a bot 70m range xp just killing revs, never is off by more than a tick on prayers xD

[frail holly]

Fr tho. Obvious af.

[restive storm]

same like 10-15 accounts, been around for better part of 5 months w/ no bans lol

[frail holly]

Ouch.

[restive storm]

here no matter the time i check, 6am, 11pm, always goin

weekdays/weeknights

[frail holly]

Yup.

Like a wildy timer will stop any of those.

🤦‍♂️

[restive storm]

yeah like, if we lock stuff behind a diary whats that gonna do lol

[frail holly]

Nothing.

Thats why im saying they need ip and device wide bans for all accounts associated with this shi.

Rep 1, nuke 15.

[silk thicket]

Skulled craws south caves or?

[frail holly]

Yeah skulled craws. It would be a pain for bot farm runners to have diff vpn for every single bot and diff devices.

[idle rapids]

Unfortunately its not that simple 😆

[frail holly]

1 report. Whole swarm gone.

I mean. A lot of social platform use device / ip wide ban and they are brutal.

Sure theyll buy more devices and use vpn but thats a step in getting them all at once for 1 report.

[idle rapids]

You don't need a VPN to change your IP you can unplug your router for 1 minute and change it

And device ID can be easily spoofed

[frail holly]

Yeah but if every bot that you ran gets banned because they were all on the same ip.

[restive storm]

this deals with absolutely nothing bro lol

[frail holly]

Thats a whole. Do your whole farm again thing.

Unless you use 30 different ips for em.

[idle rapids]

Tfw you play on mobile data and get nuked cause some1 on the same cell tower was botting

[frail holly]

And device ban even more brutal.

[restive storm]

they woulda done that already if it was that easy lol

[frail holly]

Your mobile has its own device address

[idle rapids]

Yea its not so easy, no game with a real cheating problem has a perfect solution

[restive storm]

they arent using real mobile devices

[idle rapids]

Any type of solution is only temporary

Like when they did bot nuke day aka clusterflutterer

[frail holly]

It is that simple im telling you.

[idle rapids]

They brought in the #1 bot maker, and deployed an extremely effective change which took out 99% of bots, and then within a couple weeks bot makers figured out how to get past it

[restive storm]

RIP jacmob 🙁

things were def good for a while there

[frail holly]

Like cellphones have their own EMEI

Ban at the motherboard serial for computers.

Device bans work great.

What they gonna do buy new computers everytime?

Lol

Good.

[idle rapids]

I can boot up virtual box right now with a spoofed PC and you'd never be able to tell isn't a unique physical build, no matter how much invasive software you install, which a lot of players would be opposed to anyways btw

[frail holly]

Also. 15+ nuke over 1 report.

Would start getting farms out real quick.

Bro even if they set vpn and virtual box.

Fact is the report for 1 account needs to nuke the entire farm.

[idle rapids]

They do chain ban

Not sure if its all the time but yea they do it

[frail holly]

I know they ban farms when they find them.

But this needs to be even deeper.

Clearly.

[restive storm]

ok i gotta block its just gotta be ragebait at this point im sry man, i agree dont put in the tele timer, but you're kiilling me

[frail holly]

What else do you propose?

Timer wont do thats for sure. Just add more bot raggers.

[restive siren]

Welcome to the team

We got booze and cookies

[restive storm]

o i usually give my block button a workout... the sailing disc especially WHEW

lotta clowns in there LOTTA clowns

[frail holly]

K bye

[silk thicket]

It’s a thing

Proxies

[frail holly]

Man im just tryna find solutions that dont affect the entire community

[silk thicket]

Easily spoofed

Ye

[frail holly]

1 report ----> entire farm nuked.

Is the idea.

Thats a lot of proxies.

And more trouble for em.

Lowkey they probably already mass ban how they can soz.

Has to be ways to get rid of em by the mass like some are so obvious.

[limber creek]

Yeah im not gonna play like i understand bot busting at all.
But i do understand the wilderness teleport update is a terrible idea.
Add multi revs
Add 1t tele delay below 30 wilderness.

[frail holly]

Could kinda work.

Anything but the wildy teleport update lol

[silk thicket]

1t delay I agree on but 2 issues - how would it work, and it’s a different solution for a different problem

[short valley]

I don't know where to put this.

I have a concern and question about the purposed canoe route in Kandarin. It sounds great but the one thing I would use it the most for is to use the Spirit tree to the point South of Ardougne Zoo down to the tree patch and back. I am concerned about the placement of the stand south of Ardougne Zoo. As it is you can not get to that area pictured on the purposed map without running around the clock tower. Without changes to the map it would be useless for that purpose of getting to the tree patch

[ember token]

i think even if you could walk around the clock tower, it would still end up being slower

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I think the Canoe system needs to be improved before adding a new one

Or alongside

They talked about not needing to bring an axe with you, this could possibly be expanded to the River Lum as well

The cutscene should also be cleaned up, combining the actions and the cutscene it takes almost 30 seconds to travel by canoe

Not to mention needing to get to it first

I would either make it so that you only need to make the canoe once, or make a right-click make-last option for canoe type

[chrome lantern]

The one by the combat training camp also seems weird to me

What is that one even for?

It's north of the camp so it's not really even closer to the clue than the one by the Chaos Druid tower (also find it amusing that has a blue box on it)

[tacit wharf]

honestly kinda looks like they divided into 5 equally spaced locations and then slightly adjusted for POI nearby

[brisk hill]

Don’t change wilderness teleport mechanics

See: 2020 wilderness for how to rejuvenate

Thanks

[bronze kernel]

There are some clue steps around that area IIRC

[chrome lantern]

Again, it's not even closer than the canoe to the east though

If it is, it's within a couple tiles

Would make way more sense to be on the other side of the river (next to Shadow dungeon/Rasolo) or at the northeast end of the lake/near Dwarf Cannon start

[bronze kernel]

That's where I am assuming it would be. On that side

[chrome lantern]

It does not convey that with the circled spot

[main kestrel]

maybe theyll add an agility shortcut by the hot air balloon

[chrome lantern]

Yeah the observatory one is also kinda a ???

It's on the opposite side from the clue step and you won't save time using the canoe over running from Castle Wars

[bronze kernel]

The Observatory one looks like it's on the same side as the building

[chrome lantern]

Yes

Which isn't useful

The useful side would be the clue step to the southeast of that, since like I said, the canoe doesn't save time over running from Castle Wars or balloon

If you're trying to get to the Observatory

[bronze kernel]

To be honest, this addition is primarily targeted at newer/lower/mid level players

[chrome lantern]

I don't think it helps them either

Even if you're earlygame it's simple to get to Castle Wars

[frail holly]

Seconding that dont change wilderness tp thank you ❤️

[vivid ruin]

Delete all wildy tp's pls

[vivid ruin]

Kidding btw :p

[true talon]

Remove half tbs, like they did with entangle

[vast bison]

But 🙁

[weary stag]

With no fast way to access to canoe system either, I think it's completely useless

[limber creek]

Add multi revenants,
Add 1t teleport delay below 30 wilderness.

[tender peak]

blow up the wilderness again, one time wasn't enough

[merry smelt]

Multi revs would be wonderful but right now we need to change jagex mind about wilderness teleport timer

[zinc galleon]

do you think ashes of creation will have a multi rev cave?

[merry smelt]

Isn't that just another WoW clone?

[vivid ruin]

I dont think so

[merry smelt]

Yeah actually looks closer to ESO maybe

[limber creek]

Caravans are essentially rev caves brother so yes i do.

[restive storm]

No Wildy teleport timer, put revs back to multi, revert pj timer in all worlds (esp since that one guy the other day said “noty did you see w19 and how many pkers there were?!?” As if it was a bad thing)

[tender harness]

but aint no way man they were gonna take a whistle they proposed in 2023 and shove it behind achievement diaries instead

[quartz anchor]

Multi revs will just get abused again

[quartz anchor]

It's not far fetched to require med diaries and meat to make it unlimited. They were just too slow on diaries

[tender harness]

Diaries were never going to come with part 3

people who thought they were, just were fooling themselves

but the whistle was promised as hunters guild content not diary content

[shadow wave]

I suspect the Varla Diary reward will work like Fremmy Lyre reward now, reducing the meat cost

[tender harness]

also why do irons need a discount for sarachnis

[zinc galleon]

wdym, define abuse

[tender harness]

kraken is the same cost as proposed sarachnis instance and theres no discount there
why are we giving irons a random discount on 25k of all things lol

[brisk hill]

We did it

Gz PvP cord

[ember token]

i called it, if they were gonna address the feedback, theyd do so today

[tender harness]

now remove the discount proposal for irons on instances

[weary stag]

25k entry fee is kinda random

[tender harness]

its kraken

[analog crow]

It’s a nothingburger

[tender harness]

same cost as kraken
has a discount because ??

[weary stag]

I'm certified dumb, why is it a thing

[analog crow]

No idea but it’s low enough to not care

[tender harness]

sure. but its low enough to not need a discount

[weary stag]

What's the standard ironman discount? 50%?

Oh wait this means loot will stay forever

That's awesome

[zinc galleon]

as this is an mmo, i would prefer they make the bosses doable in group and not instance iron scape

[analog crow]

Also true
But low enough to not care that there’s a discount
Etc etc

[weary stag]

It's still doable in a non instance

[tender harness]

should absolutely care
Jagex just operating like Irons at that range arent making GP for some reason when that isnt a thing in 2026

[zinc galleon]

i mean as a solution to concers of crowding

[weary stag]

So you think more of a wildy boss/nex looot share kinda thing?

[merry smelt]

Huge win, hopefully we get an opportunity to provide real feedback on whatever future changes they come up with.

[analog crow]

Bring back coin share type beat I see I see

[weary stag]

Someone smart has explained to me before why it would be bad but i don't understand why all group bosses aren't this way

[zinc galleon]

or like moons

[analog crow]

All bosses should have the titans / nex / Huey loot mechanics yeah

[vivid ruin]

Cant believe holy moleys are even being considered an addition to the game

[brisk hill]

Maybe we could at least get a tiny sliver of a section in their discord lmfao. Imagine there being 92 channels for mobile & not 1 for pvp

Instead I spam this Ironman channel aka #game-update

[merry smelt]

Crazy we have a discord channel for fashion scape but not pvp

[brisk hill]

Maybe we could get a dedicated server where select clan leaders could provide feedback

WAIT!

[merry smelt]

I'd be fine with having a spot in this server for it

[brisk hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/709498526106648617/1460274538062287024/IMG_7792.png?ex=69665224&is=696500a4&hm=2d92f17496d5f49d1edb9939a01abc58db4abc17f51a621966867a780950e9fb&

We had a server for it…

[merry smelt]

Yeah I know

[harsh herald]

Seems like the Herb Sack upgrade was just a sneak way to add an instance for pet hunters / people hunting elites. Still makes 0 sense why an upgrade mostly used for skilling isnt coming from Herbi, Mastering Mixology or contracts

[tender harness]

Mixology sucks for one

Herbi is dated

[analog crow]

Mixology has enough rewards already

[merry smelt]

Just make the channel so everyone can view it but only PvP clan leaders can talk so it doesn't get spammed by randoms

[brisk hill]

Anything would be better than what is currently, for sure

[merry smelt]

Like if they want transparency I'm sure most wouldn't care if people could see it. I just know I don't want people who have never been meaningfully involved in PvP clans deciding our future.

[harsh herald]

It's a more relevant choice for the herb sack. They're proposing to drop it from a boss that drops noted herbs which cant go into the herb sack.

[tender harness]

they dont have that much foresight
reddit hasnt pointed that noted herb part out enough yet for them to notice

[weary stag]

Didn't they "fix" that issue?

They made it so (some) mobs now drop them unnoted

Jagex certified fixed

[tender harness]

would I rather it come from anywhere else other than sarachnis? hell yeah. do I get why its on sarachnis? I guess. I don't agree with it but its really not a hill to die on

[weary stag]

It would be funny and so on brand if they didn't do Sarahnis xD

[tender harness]

shit like the sailors amulet being better than two skilling capes

is a hill to die on

[analog crow]

Dying on stupid little hills is on brand for osrs players though

[weary stag]

I like my hill

[brisk hill]

Like the guy who got smited once & suggesting multi combat should be limited to 3 ppl per 1 pile l0l

[harsh herald]

it's boring to see so many skilling upgrades come from pvm rather than having their own line of upgrades

[tender harness]

almost like rather see skilling upgrades come from skilling?

thatd make too much sense

so lets add herb sack upgrade to 600 deathless ToA

[analog crow]

Herb sack isn't skilling upgrade though, it's pvm/slayer qol

[merry smelt]

[restive siren]

skills and pvm being interconnected is a good thing

[restive storm]

checks date man they ain’t talked to us since about pvp 😂

[restive siren]

you need to do both for both

[brisk hill]

[restive storm]

Is this actually a thing?

[merry smelt]

Yeah

[tender harness]

no disrespect to the three people who like fight pits but this like two hours or what ever it was of dev time to update the fight pits could have been better used anywhere else

[restive storm]

Hard agree, fight pits should not be allocated more dev time than PvP as a whole seeing as nobody does the content whatsoever

[brisk hill]

I’d love data on amt of ppl in fight pits

[ember token]

should just be unpolled tbh

people are gonna vote no like it suddenly means that the 2 hours is gonna go into something they care about

[harsh herald]

theres only 1 pvm upgrade that i can think of that comes from skilling as of recent, which is the dragon cannon barrel and look how much fuss has been kicked up about that

[tender harness]

there is zero content in the game that requires a dragon cannon or dragon cannon balls right now

which is

[restive siren]

you want high lvl herb and mining for raids, you want high cons for any pvm, you need high crafting to even make some drops like the rancour. and all of that is obviously 500x more true for irons

ton of people complained how sailing does not interconnect with other skills at all

[harsh herald]

none of those are upgrades to the skilling equipment that you use to train the skill

[restive siren]

what

[harsh herald]

the comparison is saying that the upgrade for a rancour comes from an untradable fishing drop

[restive siren]

correct, they are an example for how you need skilling for pvm. since you said there is only one thing

which isnt true

the other way around is good too

honestly could use a lot more in that direction

[zinc galleon]

buff to salvaging too

[tender harness]

barrows salvaging hook

[bronze kernel]

Magical salvaging hook that pulls up the entire ship out of the water and you can drag it to shore to plunder it

[harsh herald]

the next mage cape upgrade should come from an untradable drop from aerial fishing

[tender harness]

using the magical salvage hook you have a 1/10,000 chance to turn it into a golden salvage hook
which pulls up every ship

[restive siren]

you need to do a ton of skilling for efficient pvm, why is the other way around a bad thing exactly?

[bronze kernel]

But anyway

Hyped they are finally delivering that infinite whistle like they promised

[restive siren]

very juicy indeed

also the herb sack is mostly used while doing pvm anyways

so i dont see how this is even remotely a problem

[bronze kernel]

Who uses the herb sack for skilling outside of UIM?

[restive siren]

god i feel for the 7 UIMs who have to do sarachnis now

[tender harness]

itll make herbi more chill lol

[bronze kernel]

Saving my further Sarachnis grind until the update drops (Assuming it passes which likely would)

[brisk hill]

I used while salvaging to 99 on normie acc

[tender harness]

I use it for herbi thats about it

[bronze kernel]

That's also a valid point

But that's more a PvM adjacent use case IMO

Using it as a way to store more loot

[brisk hill]

If you drop your snapdragons pm me becuase I need a bond

[bronze kernel]

The herb sack was always been a way to store more loot

Was never meant to be a skiling tool or anything

[harsh herald]

the majority of people that i know that have used raids to train their mining and herb. the vast majority of pvm upgrades come from pvming, the few qol and upgrades for skills also come from pvm is my point

[tender harness]

colossal pouch at 99 rc should function as a herb sack for runes

[restive storm]

Banking while doing salvaging is grazy business, I dropped everything but cannon barrels

[tender harness]

I barely salvaged but I also had 99 sailing pre extractor nerf and did gwen laps

[merry smelt]

Alch while my crew does the salvaging

[restive siren]

there are plenty of skilling upgrades that come from skilling too, thats just nonsense

[still sundial]

herb sack is not really a great item on UIM

only used for like herbiboar

[restive storm]

Brother what are you lvl 45 sailing? That’d take a lifetime

[restive siren]

also you know people who trained up to 90 mining and herblore in raids?

[harsh herald]

such as?

[restive siren]

whats that supposed to mean

[merry smelt]

74 or 75 I forget

[bronze kernel]

It depends on your needs. The higher tier ones I can justify taking maybe the 2-minute round trip to bank the salvage in the cargo

[merry smelt]

Salvaging is side monitor content though

[bronze kernel]

Mercenary wrecks have a shit ton of alchables

[restive siren]

fletching knife, spool, abyssal lantern, giant pouch, fish barrel, dragon harpoon, bruma torch, double ammo mold, celestial ring, woodfelling axe, log basket, coal sack, literally every skilling outfit, the list goes on

[bronze kernel]

Merchant ships are a pretty quick trip back to port to bank too

[prime vault]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-victory-screech-funny-gif-25682942

@merry smelt @brisk hill

[harsh herald]

lantern can only be used within the mini game , dragon harpoon is more efficient from wryms, bruma torch can only be used within the game, dragon axe only really obtainable from dks so i wouldnt put them in a list of upgrades that can be obtained - the others i would agree with are the limited qols for skills which are very few imo

[restive siren]

them being only usable at a certain activity doesnt make them not an upgrade for that skill. In the end, most skilling upgrades come from skilling and most pvm upgrades come from pvm. There is some cross pollination and thats a good thing since it forces variety, engaging with everything in the game and well balanced accounts

[harsh herald]

but then you could also argue that dragon harpoon is surpassed by crystal harpoon for upgrade, celesial ring by the celestial signet, mining cape by varrock 4 so the upgrades again are from pvm lol

[restive siren]

But the entire point is moot anyways since the herb pouch is mostly used in pvm

[restive storm]

Now if only we could make them create a good wilderness update instead of just not putting in crappy ideas

[restive siren]

you will take your win and you will be happy with it until 2027

[prime vault]

This was our update for next two years

Gz

[bronze kernel]

Their current strategy of just baiting people into the Wilderness with shiny objects doesn't work. Maybe for like 2 weeks before it then dies out or becomes a bot fest

[brisk hill]

Hopefully this was pushed becuase of a multi update

If not then we continue on in tone deaf nonsense

[restive storm]

Man that’s why we aren’t asking for loot piñatas

Well in some cases we aren’t

[bronze kernel]

That's the problem Jagex has trapped themselves in with the current state of the Wilderness

Just IMO

[restive storm]

Oh definitely agree. When they removed pker v pker interactions via the pj timer they basically made it so pvmers/skillers bare 95% of the responsibility of loot out there

If not more

[frail holly]

Boys we made it.

No more wildy changes its paused.

❤️

My lovely chaos altar raggin may continue.

[brisk hill]

Ye but then long term things like Callisto being BIS for elites is complained about. How are you supposed to create an ecosystem if it’s not worth it for the potential prey

[frail holly]

So happy.

Thanks for listening jagex ❤️

Imma do hard diary on one more account just for that 😁

[brisk hill]

Something has to invite someone in for the risk imo

[frail holly]

Boners is plenty of risk.

[bronze kernel]

The biggest problem is they are trying to force 2 different groups into the same place. Why I always say scorched earth and rebuild.

[frail holly]

whispers high risk world whaaaales

If u want more risk - anti pk.

[bronze kernel]

Skillers become happy. PKers become happy.

[restive storm]

That’s worked for well over a decade. It only seriously died once they eliminated the top 85% of the food chain when they stopped allowing pkers to hit other pkers off kills

But I’m open to hear your ideas, just saying scorched earth doesn’t really mean anything to me lol

[brisk hill]

The likelihood of brand new Timmy going out to the wilderness in 2026 to fight megatron Odablock is tonedeaf

[frail holly]

😂

Megatron odablock is lore accurate.

[brisk hill]

The likelihood of little Timmy going out with 3 of his friends to chins in 2021? Very likely

[frail holly]

^^^^

[brisk hill]

What changed between now & then is 1 update

[frail holly]

Listen. Take the win. Let them cook

Ty gaggex.

[brisk hill]

Or instead of just yapping engage in meaningful conversation

[bronze kernel]

My idea is to basically separate the PK/PvP and the non-PvP content (Balanced accordingly) entirely from each other in some way.

[frail holly]

Bro i just showed up whats the meaningful conversation and stay polite son.

Like besides celebration for the win.

What r u mad about still.

[brisk hill]

The issue with this is we have it already & it doesn’t work. PvP arena is dead content. BH is 1 style of PvP & also dead content. LMS is ran by bots & ironmemes

You have to have both. But it has to be worth it for the prey

Simple as

[frail holly]

Bruh, click logout faster or die to the pvm.

Easy enuff.

Its wildy.

[restive storm]

So your idea is to take out the bottom rung of the food chain entirely? Can’t say I’m much a fan of that lol

[frail holly]

Lil timmy gotta learn the hard way like everyone.

[frail holly]

Yeah cant agree with that. We all started getting clapped in wildy

[restive storm]

Like we been saying the cat and mouse kind of thing works totally fine and did for 15 years, it’s only when you remove pkers ability to fight each other that things catastrophically died

[frail holly]

Mmmmm, theres still gotta be a foodchain.

No pvmer ---> no bad pker ---> no good pker

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/->_no_bad_pker_

[brisk hill]

The idea that singles teams were getting fall ins on craw bows is asinine

& dying in singles to a team forced one to: MAKE FRIENDS!

Imagine friends in an MMO

[frail holly]

Solo pk is more chaos.

[zinc galleon]

or play in lvl 1 wildy til u get gud

[frail holly]

Learn to enjoy the thrill and accept the loss

[restive storm]

Maybe a team of 3-4 did fall in on craws bows, but 1: that isn’t very had to tank, and 2: most of the people whining aren’t risking craws bows lol

[brisk hill]

Right, I’m sure it happened. but the victim mentality that screams this is what singles used to be is what I’m coming up against

[restive storm]

3-4 is nothing when u just Tokyo drift around hobgoblins zombies skeletons or Ankous half the time you still get the logout lol

[frail holly]

Or get better than teams 🤪 clap a couple and dip out in direspect. Always a fun one.

[restive storm]

Which may be one of the funniest times of being in the Wildy

[meager flame]

Nah that content is ass I’m sorry but it’s exclusively the reason the wild is in the state it’s in

If you want it to get no engagement and few updates because almost all players hate the place

[brisk hill]

How so when the evidence says the wilderness was more active before

[frail holly]

Wildy is fun af what r u on.

[meager flame]

That’s the content you keep

I’m just saying it like it is

That’s why PvP gets hated on

[restive storm]

It’s more dead now that it has the timer than before how does this make any sort of sense

[frail holly]

Keep hating. Nobody asked the majority to enjoy it.

[silk thicket]

Can we just add the teleport thing but with risk exemption and only for singles ?

[brisk hill]

The evidence is the wilderness was more active before pj timer

[silk thicket]

There’s no legitimate reason to return endlessly in 1 item in singles

[brisk hill]

Idk who could argue otherwise lol

[silk thicket]

And clans can war the same

[finite tapir]

The instance would have a 25K entry cost, with an appropriate discount for iron accounts.
why

[meager flame]

The evidence shows that the wild was most active when it had mage bank and kbd but it’s silly to make comparisons that way

[frail holly]

I mean.... Pj timer aint that big of a deal but I kinda agree.

[finite tapir]

irons do not struggle with gp at any stage of the game where a boss instance would be useful

[brisk hill]

The evidence is before the updates ppl pk’d at chins. Now it’s low lvl chin hunter by themselves lol

[meager flame]

Chins didn’t exist when it was most popular

[frail holly]

Pj timers kinda slap in bh

So idk. I get why wildy pj timer is merh.

[brisk hill]

Sure but I’m using a recent example

[restive storm]

I don’t even believe this to be true, 2020 chins leading up to the pj timer was more popular than the “old days” that people like to pretend they were participating in

[brisk hill]

Regardless of your bias

Wildy was more active then than now

The lack of updates & things always being removed from PvP is why PvP is in the states in

[meager flame]

I agree but I think the wilderness has basically been chart trending down

[frail holly]

Sure. But thats wildy. Keep pj timer in BH remove it in wildy

Make it simple.

[brisk hill]

Yes that’s a different statement though

[meager flame]

So any point that isn’t now was more popular

And any time before that point was too

[brisk hill]

Your original statement was “Wildy is more active now than before”

Or somet along those lines

That’s simply not true lol

[silk thicket]

The thing rly killing the wildy is the fact ur hopping for an hour to find a fight

[frail holly]

Anyways. Yall should just be happy we didnt get more timers 😂

[silk thicket]

Unless u go 304 and fight one of the 7 sweats that hang there

[brisk hill]

So yes we can agree on this

[frail holly]

❤️

[brisk hill]

But don’t tell me wildy is better now than in 2020

[meager flame]

I’m just saying the reason the wild is in the state that it is in

[silk thicket]

Hopping is incredibly boring

[meager flame]

Is because of the content that made the people who dislike it feel like they should try it anyways

[scenic ibex]

Is there a Mod that knows a little more how the newly added information about the "Quetzal Whistle Unlimited Charges" is going to work with reclaimaing a whistle from the "Lost Quetzal Whistles" part of the blog? I am curious if you have already upgraded a whistle to have unlimited charges, If a whistle with unlimited charges will be what you reclaim if you need to reclaim a new one.

From the blog:

"Creating a Perfected Quetzal Whistle is no small task. Even after earning yourself the blueprint, there are multiple upgrade steps involved before you have the completed item.

Right now, if you lose the whistle, that entire process has to be repeated from scratch, which, let's be honest, isn't very fun.

We'd like to propose that players who have already obtained the Perfected Quetzal Whistle Blueprint, and who do not currently have a perfected whistle in their inventory, bank, or any item storage, should be able to reclaim a Perfected Quetzal Whistle from the Hunter Guild.

This change would ensure the Blueprint still has to be earned as intended, but removes the frustration of having to re-grind upgrades you’ve already completed.

Question #7:
Should players who have unlocked the Perfected Quetzal Whistle Blueprint be able to reclaim a lost Perfected Quetzal Whistle from the Hunter Guild?"

[meager flame]

Then they said hey this sucks why do they keep trying to get me to try this

[silk thicket]

Let’s be real a sec, there are more pkers on osrs than on individual priv servers

[restive storm]

The phrase “hop simulator” didn’t exist before pj timer now it’s all I hear about, nor did crying about “how is he still eatinggggg?”

[meager flame]

Endless failed polls ensue

[brisk hill]

Not true

[silk thicket]

But u hop all day on main game

[brisk hill]

But just goes to say that if Jagex cared about PvP they’d have a client base lol

[frail holly]

Wildy has its peak hours tho and it feels healthy to be kinda dead for pvmers with risk to show up.

[silk thicket]

If u count individually I bet there’s more pkers

[brisk hill]

Idts

Could be wrong & im just talking out my ass

But i rly don’t think so

[silk thicket]

I mean we both just guessing

[brisk hill]

Ye sure

[silk thicket]

But when ur hopping and everyone else is also hopping

[restive storm]

There’s zero chance on gods green earth, if you look at 319 alone that has more pkers than enter rev caves in a week lol

[brisk hill]

Just on paper the numbers have to be 2x though

[silk thicket]

Such a high chance u miss most of the pkers

[brisk hill]

Imo

[restive storm]

And zero of those guys are pking in non bh worlds

[silk thicket]

I pk non bh world tyvm

[shadow wave]

The lyre allows you to reenchant for free, I assume this will be the same

[frail holly]

True and the moment you hit one its often a team of em 😂

[silk thicket]

But ye I think there are way more pkers than anybody thinks

[frail holly]

^^^

[brisk hill]

That’s fair, especially with 350’worlds to hop

[silk thicket]

Yday I ran into like a team of 6 noobs at altar

On the 600 worlds

Just being noobs fighting some people

Tbh the thing that I hate most about pking is hopping

It’s incredibly boring

[scenic ibex]

I hope so, the game in not consistent many aspects but I would imagine the unlimited charges unlock would be a 1 time thing

[frail holly]

Probably were hunting me lmfao was there all night.

[silk thicket]

Plus u find someone and u sesh them for a few fights

So ur rly fighting 1 guy

In the 2h ur online

😂

[finite tapir]

i hope the unlimited whistle is actually like, a notable amount of meat

[frail holly]

2h? Try 8h 😂

[finite tapir]

sadly i have a feeling the cost will be less than 100 hours of rumours

[restive storm]

I mean that’s multi point which is different

[silk thicket]

Yer kinda, I was fighting two of them in singles

But I mean numbers wise 6 ppl just hanging altar in a random world

[restive storm]

I do miss team battles like this that would go on for like an hour or two, doesn’t really work the same anymore so it’s mostly fighting friends

[frail holly]

Anyways you guys keep arguing nonsense. Thanks god jagex didnt go trought with more timer in wildy 🤌🤌🤌

[silk thicket]

There’s a bunch of ppl that pk

[humble cargo]

"people"

[silk thicket]

Ye honestly I spend most of my time in PvP arena NHing and lms if no one to sesh there

Cuz I cba wasting my time hopping

[brisk hill]

Yes people

[humble cargo]

(i dont actually mind pkers, just had to make the joke)

[silk thicket]

Rather actually fight people

[humble cargo]

It's like blaming ironmen for everything

[silk thicket]

The thing is

If u go pker stream when they in rev caves

You’ll usually see they don’t hit pvmers for a while

Then they get so bored of hopping

They start hitting the pvmers just to do something

[restive storm]

There are some but farrrr less than used to pre timer

[silk thicket]

The world hop thing seems like a good thing for pvmers but it just means it’s harder for pkers to fight eachother

[restive storm]

I had 3 people I found In 4.5 hours of caves last night

[silk thicket]

So we hit pvmers

[restive storm]

Right which is boring as all hell

And why they complain so much

[silk thicket]

Agreed

Nobody wants to do that

[restive storm]

You’re literally making my point back to me lol

[brisk hill]

Thanks for not implementing the wilderness teleport changes. Please reach out to those who participate in PvP & don’t stream for a living for more productive feedback.

[silk thicket]

Ye I agree with u on a lot of stuff but if we’re looking long term at wildy health we gotta encourage new people to try it too

And if 6 ppl fall in on them every time they venture into wildy idk how long they’d keep trying for

But ye ofc many pkers left after pj timer

It’s a diff game basically

[ionic tartan]

I think "6 ppl fall in on them every time they venture into wildy" is a warped view of the pre-wildy PJ timer, that mostly only streamers experience (emphasis on every time).

It also goes both ways. A new player would go into the wildy with their friend to pk, which I personally saw more than a new player just venturing out as a solo pker. Ex: 2-3 people pking together, and you could easily tell 1 of them is the noobiest of the bunch.

[silk thicket]

Ye good counterpoint. I didn’t pk back then so my only experience is bh world pk and normally that’s very one sided

[restive storm]

Is 6 noobs attacking you with npcs hitting them off really any worse than Rhys hitting you wearing 1.2b worth of gear and there’s nothing you can do about it? Plus without the timer the 6 little noobs could be you! It’s how people get into pking lol, nobody is doing that now

[silk thicket]

But ya you could teach people more effectively with old pj timer

[brave hearth]

I think the only time I did something even remotely PK related- it's sitting at chaos altar with a dragon spear to stun PKers and protect some clan members running bones

[silk thicket]

Ye that’s the other thing as well, ppl can use insane setups to carry them through the fight (as long as they’re not incompetent)

With the current version

If u get caught in way worse gear it sucks

[silk thicket]

U should try it it’s the most fun you’ll ever have in the game

[brisk hill]

Yes try it. Understand you’ll die & that’s apart of the experience

[silk thicket]

Every pvm encounter is by design the exact same fight over and over

U try pvp and u realise there’s more than 1 episode to watch

Cuz every fight is diff

It’s great

[restive storm]

This is the biggest deterring factor currently, it isn’t possible to get into is because giga demons in max are gonna hit you like a freight train while you can’t do anything in your mystic set lol.

[brave hearth]

I like skilling so I don't think i'm the target audience.

[silk thicket]

So did I lmaooo that’s how I got into it

[restive storm]

Honestly I disagree, pking is more 1 dimensional than ever with the timer

[silk thicket]

Last April I started running wildy agility and wanted to help out a bit

[minor whale]

I'd rather 1 good player in max gear fight me than 6 people in shit gear just swapping who's attacking me

[silk thicket]

Now all I do is pk

[restive storm]

You’re either destroying them, getting destroyed, or about equal skill and someone is gonna freeze log

[silk thicket]

Mmm honestly nah

From experience

6 ppl fall in is nothing

[restive storm]

Yeah 6 ppl is not a hard tank in piss gear

[silk thicket]

I got a vid escaping 20 ppl

[minor whale]

Now with vw it's definitely not "nothing" anymore

[silk thicket]

Wearing no armour

I was wearing no armour and smiting entire fight

They tb and fell in on me idk why

I got the log

It’s rly not that bad

[restive storm]

Eliop released a video like two days ago tanking 20 people clans, it’s nothing, there’s still a spec trade timer people just aren’t that good at tanking

[minor whale]

VW, surge pot, light bearer
Drastically changes how pjing works compared to 2020

[restive storm]

It doesn’t lol

[silk thicket]

^

From experience it really doesn’t

[restive storm]

People used to just hit house and tele back with 100% spec

Those change literally nothing

[silk thicket]

Ye now ppl stand around and regen spec cuz of lightbearer