game-update

[winged mantle]

Not very cash money

[silk thicket]

Legit only effects raggers

[small anvil]

I mean if someone regularly makes bad arguments can we not call attention to that

[silk thicket]

And does so in singles and multi

[minor whale]

I mean
If someone constantly posts the same type of suggestion every time they mention their game mode it becomes quite a typical thing lol

[silk thicket]

Easy

[restive storm]

death to the snakeskin bandits

[small anvil]

Risk restriction sounds good

[silk thicket]

That’s what I’m saying

[winged mantle]

You can in a healthy way

[small anvil]

Maybe make it scale

[true talon]

I wasnt even making the suggestion.......

[brisk hill]

Please take this pm

[silk thicket]

It’s an issue in singles too

[brisk hill]

#game-update

[nocturne solstice]

Your suggestion is good and makes sense but I find it so annoying to have more weird conditions with wilderness.

[silk thicket]

That change fixed everything

[obsidian venture]

If you’ve been around it’s probably warranted unfortunately (not saying it has to be like this everytime)

[winged mantle]

People are entitled to options

[silk thicket]

Indeed but they’re already going to make weird conditions right?

[restive storm]

theyre literally proposing addding EVEN MORE weird restrictions for no reason rn lol

[small anvil]

Suggestion

[nocturne solstice]

It makes sense though but its just.... annoying that the wildy is so complicated with these rules.

[winged mantle]

I have been

[silk thicket]

Why not make the weird condition more effective

[winged mantle]

No

[minor whale]

And people are entitled to tell them those opinions are silly when they're silly

[true talon]

thats why those people are blocked as they never make any type of constructive argument, just go right on attacking

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[nocturne solstice]

Oh I think its annoying too dont get me wrong, it's only slightly better than this one from obfuscated because its a blanket "If skulled then 2m cd" rather than "If skulled, and if gp value 100k>, then 2m cd"

[brisk hill]

Please! This is game update channel. People already saying how jmods don’t read their comments in here

Why would they lol

[small anvil]

Tass talking to the room of blocked people

[nocturne solstice]

Let's just cool off on tass now

And move on from that topic

[obsidian venture]

True but some can be very bad. If you have a streak of bad ones, then folks will not look too kindly upon future ones. Think that’s pretty common

[silk thicket]

Technically the proposal is currently if skulled and in multi combat zone, which is even weirder

[brisk hill]

Yes! Back to PvP tele restriction nonsense

[nocturne solstice]

Agreed on that, even weirder.

I dont like these weird wildy rules

[restive storm]

it is dumb and i cant even believe someone came up with the idea

[winged mantle]

That's fair. Just not ok to dunk on someone for talking when their voice is valid

[small anvil]

Yeah more weird rules is kinda yuck

[brisk hill]

YouTubers

[silk thicket]

Ragging is a problem in singles and in multi. Better to address ragging directly and have it apply over the entire wilderness

[brisk hill]

Who do you think they actually asked from a multi clan?

[restive storm]

their voice can be valid, their take can also definitely be invalid

[silk thicket]

Rather than “u can rag at altar but not at gdz”

[winged mantle]

A take is subjective

[small anvil]

We addressed the specifics of the argument

[true talon]

I feel like when i make a suggestion, its attacked because i dont want to do it. yet i do do these things, i do everything but that doesnt mean it cant be improved for others. people who never look to improve anything have a mindset of medicority and acceptance with thats how things are.

[small anvil]

Didn't dismiss only off who said it

[restive storm]

this is how all updates are done these days, and why the only pvp discussion channel is content creator exclusive

[small anvil]

Just added a comment after that it falls in their typical pattern

[obsidian venture]

Depends imo. I think it’s fair game if someone is just wrong and sharing their thoughts on something they don’t understand. If they do understand but it’s just a hot take then so be it. There’s ways to differentiate it. In this case it’d be the former which is why it’s turned out to be like this sadly

[brisk hill]

Yet they allll do singles. Relevant players for relevant updates would be: relevant!

[silk thicket]

@merry smelt would this work for u

[obsidian venture]

Doubt any

[brisk hill]

Thanks but that has nothing to do with #game-update

Please take to pm

[true talon]

pvp cant be saved as long as clienters are allowed to roam free

[restive storm]

barely even do that these days, its just hop simulator as they all hop in 100m-1b sets and are annoyed theres no mystic andys to farm out there

[brisk hill]

True!

[obsidian venture]

Has a lot to do with the history here unfortunately so pms would be useless

[restive storm]

god forbid someone brings any more than 9 brews they have a full on mental breakdown

[obsidian venture]

People client pvm as well

Like what are we saying man

[minor whale]

No more pvm updates either

[brisk hill]

I’m sorry I don’t care about the history ego ppl have on RS discord I’m sorry. Just wanna advocate for the opposite of what Jagex are suggesting

[bright umbra]

where is my upgraded gem bag drop from zalcano smh

[silk thicket]

Also @brisk hill this version better for clan wars? Ancient staff black D’hide and ice sacks should get u to 100k

[restive storm]

its a bigger problem in pvm than it is in PvP anyway at this point, its just another non-factor they try to blame

[small anvil]

Upgraded herb sack after I finished salvaging grr

[obsidian venture]

That’s fine. But I’m still gonna share it. You can acknowledge or disregard or do whatever in between

[winged mantle]

Make a #1022203837265756231

[restive storm]

i wouldnt waste ur time

[obsidian venture]

Yeah pvm clienters are way more common

[restive storm]

cuz it aint gonna get read lol

[winged mantle]

They get read

[obsidian venture]

Only due to the amount of folks in pvm compared to pvp

[merry smelt]

Just add 100k payment like in BH or rev caves and wildy bosses

[obsidian venture]

But yeah saying client in pvp etc etc is just living in a bubble

[small anvil]

What's the cheat? Actual automation for praying against a boss?

[obsidian venture]

Stuff like that

[brisk hill]

I think this would work against pvmers though because of spaghetti code

[silk thicket]

To enter wildy?

[obsidian venture]

Switching

[merry smelt]

Yeah

[obsidian venture]

Etc etc

[small anvil]

Or like keybind a prayer switch

[merry smelt]

That's true

[restive storm]

the same "i would pvp if there werent clienters" are the same clowns that said "id pvp if it was singles+ and we have skull prevention"

[small anvil]

Or gear switch

[obsidian venture]

Coddled playerbase

[merry smelt]

I mean could restrict you from skilling if your risking under 100k

[obsidian venture]

All of the above and more

[small anvil]

Gotcha

[minor whale]

Risk levels in normal Wildy could work pretty great
90% of the time as a pvmer in the Wildy you get attacked by Billy and Bob the Black Dhide and Xeric's Robes Bandits, and you just slowly leave the Wildy with 0 risk of dying and have to go find your spot again
And if you kill them you still wasted supplies and have to leave anyway

Interesting idea to restrict people who are pking risking jack shit

[small anvil]

I'm unaware of these things cuz I'm just bad at game

[brisk hill]

Makes 4 item in all black d hide a ragger paradise

[merry smelt]

Mhmm

True

[brisk hill]

It’s a double edged sword

There is no 1 answer

But like what they are suggesting isn’t the way lol

It only benefits big clans

[merry smelt]

Yeah it's not

[restive storm]

there is one answer and its "remove the pj timer"

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[silk thicket]

Tele restriction based on risk I don’t see a downside ngl

[small anvil]

This is about multi pvp so that doesn't apply right squints

[merry smelt]

Yeah and makes it hard to find a decent fight

[silk thicket]

Only targets instareturn rag set and gear droppers

[restive storm]

tele restriction is basically as dumb as an update as the pj timer xD

[small anvil]

I know you have your pet issue lol

[merry smelt]

Like you clear a clan once and back to the world hopping simulator

[small anvil]

Is there anything actually worth fighting for in multi

[silk thicket]

But ye ig the upside to the 100k coffer thing is like, there’s a benefit to using ur brews to kill the raggers

[restive storm]

only each other

[silk thicket]

Whereas tele restriction slows them down but u still use ur brews

[brisk hill]

Plenty yea

[small anvil]

Like back in the days of fighting for control of Rev caves

I could see this mattering

[merry smelt]

Could do 100k coffer but you only lose it if you're skulled?

Still doesn't stop 4 item rag tho

[restive storm]

its just like a weird dumb restriction thats unnecessary even with that

like we arent solving any problems by implementing it lol

[small anvil]

Is a multi clan going to fight another multi group for control of anything?

[merry smelt]

Nah we fight to fight

[small anvil]

Yeah

[silk thicket]

Ngl I had no idea unskull ragging was such a big thing in multi

[obsidian venture]

Unless I misread, does the tele to wildy timer reset on death?

[silk thicket]

But makes sense lmao

[small anvil]

Feel like this restriction as is just makes the fight shorter

[obsidian venture]

Like it’s just 2 min no matter what?

[restive storm]

staff barragers

[silk thicket]

No the point is to stop u from insta returning

[obsidian venture]

Right

[merry smelt]

Skull prevention bowfa and crystal top bottom auto retaliate on lol

[glass fog]

No it does not seem to be the case. This would probably make things a little better tho.

[silk thicket]

We discussing ways to improve the change

[small anvil]

Like if the draw of the fight is just the fight, the proposed change just makes the fight fizzle

[restive storm]

no more toxic staff, ely black dhide and barrage spammers?

[obsidian venture]

Yeah would be ideal

[small anvil]

Risk based would definitely help

[obsidian venture]

I hate pking folks and then they return in a rag set when we are up

[merry smelt]

Yeah I mean a lot use ice sceptre auto retaliate

[obsidian venture]

If this would disallow that I’d be somewhat ok

[glass fog]

Is there issues with being able to teleport back in a rag war you don’t typically teleport to avoid dying

[chilly swan]

if u die to a bunch of raggers u deserve it for not knowing when to leave

pointless change, jagex just wants to bury the wildy for nothing

[obsidian venture]

Most of the time you end up teleing out but ragging in general is just cringe imo

It’s such victim gameplay

[small anvil]

More entries to the how wildy behaves differently encyclopedia

[merry smelt]

It's an issue but the fix jagex is doing is far worse than doing nothing

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah id prefer they hold off and do a big wildy rework

Throw out a couple of surveys

[restive storm]

please GOD no more surveys

[silk thicket]

Nah bandaid fix it

[winged mantle]

Wildy rework

[silk thicket]

Then rework

[restive storm]

we've had like 3 wildy surveys and theyve literally said nothing about any of them, nor have any updates come from them

[nocturne solstice]

Well either you get surveys or they dont hear anything you say

[chilly swan]

i'm a small time pker, can't say raggers are that big of a deal in my experience, just seems like a needless change

[small anvil]

Also I disliked the blurb about spell book reordering for the mini game tp

[nocturne solstice]

INCLUDING pj timer removal

[small anvil]

3rd party plugin exists is such a silly thing to put in official blog

[restive storm]

needs to be integrity change

[glass fog]

They could in the very least poll it and not make it a “QOL” update

[small anvil]

(also don't they not allow that in wildy)

[restive storm]

the carebear clown playerbase will never vote for it now that they killed off the pking community

[nocturne solstice]

Integrity changes are for people who know their suggestions wont pass

[silk thicket]

Trust you’d be surprised

[obsidian venture]

Tbh, with the new update to polls, it would kinda be in our favor

[nocturne solstice]

I can agree with that

[obsidian venture]

They can restrict whole groups

[restive storm]

we just need a group of like 2-3 jmods that actually care about the wilderness, we got like 40 jmods these days we gotta spare some

[restive storm]

theyll probably just do something stupid like they did last time and anybody with 1 lms kill is labelled as a "pker" in the survey results

[obsidian venture]

They could make the poll for above 1 kd for example and that would eliminate alts and a majority of players

Above 2 kd would eliminate a whole bunch more

And they don’t have to keep it consistent across future polls

[restive storm]

i agree these are things they COULD do, but given their track record i got no real hope of them doing it lol

their track record is pretty monkaS

[silk thicket]

Saw a guy recently with 1/2500 k/d

[nocturne solstice]

I think they do have like 2-3 jmods that care about the wilderness, they were the ones working on wrathmaw no?

[silk thicket]

Legitimate gameplay

[glass fog]

Rag warring is a nostalgic part of the game …… damage inc warred for months over mage bank

[silk thicket]

For sure

[obsidian venture]

Wtf

[restive storm]

if thats caring about the wildy we gotta shuffle around who was in charge, or get them out and actually get them pking cuz that idea was a disaster 🤦‍♂️

[nocturne solstice]

imo at this point any changes to the wildy will be considered "a disaster" from a section of the playerbase

[silk thicket]

Ye prob a rag bot or something tbf

No idea

[nocturne solstice]

no one is gunna be happy and either you upset pkers or pvmers

If no major rework, I'd just not touch the wildy if I was a dev

[restive storm]

thats fair, but i just want them to make the area work for the people that want to be there. Rn its literally just bad for everyone

the whiners are gonna whine regardless of what happens there

[minor whale]

And unfortunately
The group that thinks it's a disaster to make the Wildy better is far larger than the group who want to be in the Wildy more

They aught to just leave it alone for a while

[nocturne solstice]

Its good for pvmers rn I'd say, especially low level peeps wanting to make quick cash at the other content

[merry smelt]

Another depth to rev cave for multi revs would be nice

[nocturne solstice]

like wildy agility, rogue chests, zombie pirates

[restive storm]

so bots basically

[obsidian venture]

Well

Remember

This year would be wildy sailing?

Would include*

[restive storm]

im also not suggesting they make the gp bad in the wildy at all, so itd still be good for all those people

[true talon]

this content is all great for low lvl irons for starter money. but yea most people doing it is bots.

[oblique mesa]

wtfker

there are big communities for rogues chest and wildy agility

[merry smelt]

Zombie pirates just bots

Wildy agility and chests is good but pirates are dead outside bots

[oblique mesa]

Wildy Agility FC hits FC cap all the time

[nocturne solstice]

Sad but true

[true talon]

i made a new pure an went there to do a slayer task on zombies, straight up 10-15 bots a world.

[restive storm]

i do love the fact that the agility community uses the non-pj timer world and its literally the most active place in the entire wilderness, then u suggest removing pj timers and people freak out

[silk thicket]

Yeah pirate bots are out of control rn

5-9 per world and stuff

[merry smelt]

I don't even bother pking there on my pure anynore

[silk thicket]

Crazy

[true talon]

I was like what the hell do they even have the medium diary>

[restive storm]

yeah iits def a waste of time

[silk thicket]

Eh tbh I’d still not be against doing a zombie pirate style nerf to other wildy money makers

[restive storm]

i mean like where? lol rev caves or multi bosses?

[silk thicket]

Like 25/50/100 % loot no diary/easy/medium

[oblique mesa]

Zammy wines ofc

[silk thicket]

Rogues chest/agility course/callisto etc

[restive storm]

it also doesnt really do anything, the bots just do the diary

[silk thicket]

Yh but it rate limits them

Longer to train the accounts

[nocturne solstice]

I think it does restrict how soon they can access that content

yeah for sure

[true talon]

I like wildy i trained my iron's slayer and stuff there using blighted pots. its really great ecosystem.

[restive storm]

i mean all sorts of bots have 200m in skills, it aint really gonna make any difference

they run for thousands and thousands of hours

[nocturne solstice]

yeah but not 200m in all skills, if you make the wildy diary require different variety of skills then that'll do it

[rough frigate]

so in regards to the agility shortcut changes, one i use quite frequently is the stepping stones between draynor manor and the champion's guild, though i did not see it on the list, will that get the improvements too?

[nocturne solstice]

like rn it even needs that dwarf cannon quest done

[silk thicket]

There’s far more bots that just get the requirements and suicide bot for a bit

[nocturne solstice]

for that dang gold helm

[silk thicket]

Then get banned but they sold the gold first

[nocturne solstice]

inb4 gold bowls are made

[true talon]

I mean to beat bots you need to make it take more time to get to the botting content before its profitable to do so, the bot owners dont care they are running scripts to automated account creation training selling the gold everything.

[merry sail]

The wilderness returns update is complete dogshit. Wilderness return wars that go for hours even days on end have been a huge staple in multi pking since the early 2000’s. Love how it didn’t even get polled. Terrible thinking again jagex

[restive storm]

i guess.... idk after all this time like literally a full year and a half to get the ONLY discussion around the wildy being an idea to make it worse is just so demotivating

[true talon]

Its just not an issue you can tackle with today's technology scripting is very easy.

[silk thicket]

U gotta suggest ways to make it better they already said they are open to feedback

So how would you stop raggers but let clans war?

[restive storm]

remove pj timer.. then pkers are forced to fight each other EZ

[silk thicket]

Lololol

[true talon]

i was getting into SQL and doing basics and i asked Chat GPT to write me a SQL query with the conditions i gave it an it printed a fully functional code in seconds.

[restive storm]

multi is a cesspool and always has been, dont even bother trying to fix it, its the wild west out there

and some people like that, and thats ok

[silk thicket]

Pk on bh world if u want old pj timer

[restive storm]

go fight the one 50 man team? as a team of like 2-3?

thatll go over gr8

[silk thicket]

Ye but ur suggestion

Is to bring that to every world

[restive storm]

correct, but the 50 man team isnt on every world

[silk thicket]

Then ppl will complain “fight the 3 man team? As 1?”

[restive storm]

it gives you the opportunity to play in smaller groups

rather than rn, where there is 1 world and nowhere to hide

[silk thicket]

Tbh even at revs there’s like 10 man teams

[restive storm]

and i know this to be the case cuz thats literally how it was before lmao

[restive storm]

???????

[merry sail]

lol

[silk thicket]

Like u can fight em

[merry sail]

Homies been out of the wilderness for some time I see

[restive storm]

what are u talkin ab man

[silk thicket]

Obv the odds aren’t great as 3

Bh world revs?

[restive storm]

yeah its just 1 giant team

everywhere

[silk thicket]

I never seen 50 man team there

[restive storm]

theres only 1 world so they just farm whoever is there

then u werent risking enough for them to bother

[silk thicket]

Aight fair

Anyway

Don’t rly see how that stops ragging

Which is the point of the discussion

[glass fog]

So on pvp worlds are they going to disable all forms of teleportation for 2 mins ?

[silk thicket]

feedback on the proposed update to combat ragging but not affect normal wars

[silk thicket]

I think it’s only wilderness teles but ye another reason to base it on risk rather than being in multi

Cuz ig ppl rag in pvp worlds

[glass fog]

It’s not even about just ragging. It’s about how multi wars take place with people returning to keep fighting.

[brisk hill]

If everyone was returning in gear I don’t think it would be an issue

[silk thicket]

Yee ik but we’re here to give feedback on how to stop it affecting wars but stil stop raggers

[brisk hill]

That’s common sense imo. So clearly the feedback given was about ragging in multi

[silk thicket]

So base on risk imo

Not based on being in multi

[glass fog]

When you are doing a war it’s not about gaining gp. It’s about dominating and controlling the area.

[brisk hill]

If streamers are getting ns return ragged by 1 guy what’s a 2 min timer in the bank rly do

What if ragger has multiple accs lol

[glass fog]

It’s fast paced much like team death match in a fps game

[silk thicket]

Yeah but rag wars are kinda degen and spill over into singles

Make ppl return in some kind of gear

[brisk hill]

Or I just sit naked for 2 mins in between & go again

[silk thicket]

Ye better than insta return but maybe the 100k coffer things not so bad

Idk I just feel it should apply to entire wildy and I think it should target ppl 1 iteming or “technically not 1iteming” in 1 item with diary gear/snakeskin

[mortal narwhal]

The fact that this wasn't even polled is BS. They literally are killing multi pking

Fight, die, return, this has always been a thing, set pkris are dead too now, so freaking lame. There's a better way to handle 1 itemers, and if a clan wanted to avoid crashing, CWA already exists.

[restive storm]

maybe theyll actually consider talking to pkers and taking their thoughts into account w/ how poorly this ones going over

[merry sail]

Bruh ns wars have been around as long as teleporting to annakarl has been a thing. lol. Ns ragging isn’t new news. If anything leave the annakarl teleport alone.

[nocturne solstice]

Hmm i notice it doesnt say obelisks for the 2m no tele timer

wildy sword also not listed

[merry sail]

I mean there’s nothing wrong with wars at 50s, but it’s still under the assumption that it’s a wilderness teleport and it’s not clear

[restive storm]

prob just forgot they existed tbh

[merry smelt]

if this update goes through might need to dust off the cannons

[merry smelt]

they said teleports into wildy

so i'd asume obelisk in wildy is fine but POH is unknown

[brisk hill]

Tele to ferox

Step outside

Tele again

?

[merry smelt]

if that clears the 2 minute timer

[brisk hill]

[merry smelt]

they really didn't give us much on how it will work

timer resets everytime you attack someone in multi

can tele out of wildy fine

but not in

[merry sail]

Gonna plan on setting up illegal return wars in PvP worlds

L0l

[nocturne solstice]

They specifically said "Jewellery & Tab Wilderness Teleporting" so maybe they didnt

Here is a map of multi areas with obelisk teles, ferrox, and wildy sword tele marked.

[restive storm]

would somehow make this entire thing make even less sense

"all teleport methods" makes it sound like they just didnt include it all

[merry smelt]

yeah

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think they said all did they?

[merry smelt]

if they code it to block any teleport into wildy like how Tele Block works to tele out of wildy obelisk will be impacted as well

[nocturne solstice]

ah that

why is that sentence in the "what isn't affected" section

im more confused lmao

[restive storm]

who is writing this stuff anyway

[nocturne solstice]

No clue

[merry sail]

Extend the wildy beyond 50’s and move all the wildy bosses along with the new ones 😉 where it takes 2 minutes to return to so the pvm gods can have their way

[haughty anvil]

If this change is implemented I'd like to see it affect EVERYONE skulled or unskulled. 4 item unskulled ragging is already a problem and a pvmer wouldn't be heavily effected by a 2 minutes return.

[fading grail]

@carmine ferry where is the champions cape max cape cosmetic? Only been 10 years and still waiting

[quasi glade]

jagex just killed p2p main clanning,f2p main clanning,p2p pures and f2p pures in 1 update nice. Where have we seen this b4.....

[restive storm]

agreed, it should be ragging pvm'ers as well, if we gotta deal with it its only fair they do as well

[nocturne solstice]

Dont ping jmods for stuff like this man

[fading grail]

No one ever anwers anywhere

[quasi glade]

It's just like when Jagex closed 40 single teams in 1 update

They are going to do it again

For multi

[true talon]

Good

[nocturne solstice]

Maybe because they dont have an answer for you

[restive storm]

its kinda crazy they killed off singles so bad now theyre worried about killing multi too lol

[nocturne solstice]

It's not a "No" because its not forbidden, it's not a "Yes" because there's no plans for it.

[true talon]

you mean the singles team's who was spec trading people in high risk? yea nice that they are dead.

[haughty anvil]

The singles plus saved the wilderness.

[fading grail]

They have said numerous times it will be done and still hasn't, who else is to know rather than someone who works there?

[quasi glade]

Yup so did the removal of multi revs

[restive storm]

there was literally a spec timer man 🤦‍♂️

[nocturne solstice]

I dont remember them saying it was done, when was that?

[fading grail]

Not done, was going to be done/added

Two to three times in the past 😄

[nocturne solstice]

I vaguely recall them saying it wont be done

[quasi glade]

Jmods only listen to their friends when it comes to PVP

[nocturne solstice]

in a podcast a while ago or something

[quasi glade]

Which is why the PVP discussion discord was removed

[restive storm]

the only people who think this are 1. disingenuous people 2. streamers whose lives depend on them being able to bully people while in a bil of risk while not actually risking and 3. ironmemes

[true talon]

Just add a new BH crater that allows overheads and mage and then remove pvp outside of bounty hunter

[quasi glade]

and hasn't been a new 1 since

[true talon]

allows people to pvp each other

[restive storm]

this sounds awful

[true talon]

sounds like you want to go around killing people trying to pvm and not pvp

[quasi glade]

Sounds like you've never pvped ever

[restive storm]

actually quite the opposite, because of the pj timer i cant hit the pkers that are attacking the little pvmers

but agreed, i just dont really think you understand how the wildy works

[haughty anvil]

Or... People trying to have a 1 v 1 fight then getting falled in on by 30 people

Lol

[quasi glade]

I mean singles update is done and they aint ever changing that

Topic is the new wilderness changes

[restive storm]

worth sacriificing those ~10 people for the crazy amount of additional activity

[quasi glade]

Something that hasn't gone through

[haughty anvil]

They can just go to multi. Your argument holds no water.

[fading grail]

This is how most of the people who moan about the wilderness are, never done it/got involved, died once when doing a clue and caused uproar on reddit

Prob an ironman

[restive storm]

ye ok man, thats an outta pocket take

[quasi glade]

Want the entire update to be for them

And when that update comes for them

they still dont interact

and say its good that pvp scene is dying

[restive storm]

absolutely this lol, every single time

[meager flame]

he kind of is the singles clan champion lol

[quasi glade]

But when pvpers ask for something

we dont get it

so we quit

[meager flame]

like 99% of people agree that singles clans are the worst thing ever

[restive storm]

even now, they have a literal safe wildy where the only way you can die is turning your brain off, and people STILL complain about PvP being enabled there and want it gone

[meager flame]

but some dont i guess

[quasi glade]

I mean thats beside the point

PJ timer was good for streamers

thats it

and all jmods are friends for streamers

[restive storm]

thats the only real reason it exists

[quasi glade]

so it was never going to not pass

[meager flame]

pj timer is good for everyone that isn't trying to be a singles clan lol

[quasi glade]

Maybe find some friends in an mmo

lol

[restive storm]

not necessarily true

[meager flame]

see

right to the heart of it

[hard axle]

I wanna bulky folks though

[restive storm]

there's also instances in which if you got hit by a pker, as a pvmer, there was a chance more pkers would come hit the pker off you

[quasi glade]

So nice when you find the omega whale but he's attacking a pvmer

and you never see him again

So fun!

[restive storm]

yep!

[quasi glade]

Or he catches 1 freeze and escapes

[restive storm]

try hopping worlds 900 more times, maybe youll catch him for the 2s he's logged in and not in combat!

[meager flame]

tbf freeze escapes probably shouldn't even be a thing but the wilderness isn't serious so it is

[quasi glade]

And jagex wonders why people have scout bots

800 worlds

[meager flame]

what other game is hiding behind a tree and logging out the play

[fading grail]

Bring seeds

[meager flame]

its actually absurd lol

[restive storm]

didnt used to be rs sadly 🙁

[quasi glade]

Jagex wants to delete the wilderness

They are slowly going to that

[meager flame]

its just been that long that people have put up with it in osrs that they accept it

[quasi glade]

Remove any part of the MMO aspect of the wilderness

[meager flame]

but the gameplay is actually stupid

[minor whale]

Correct

[quasi glade]

Kill return fights which has been a staple of clanning since 2006

[minor whale]

They said specifically none of the JMods want to do it

[fading grail]

Shocker

[quasi glade]

But some jmod in 2026 has decided now

[minor whale]

And don't want purely cosmetic max cape variants and stuff

[quasi glade]

it's not healthy

[brisk hill]

Nah it actually screwed multi pking mechanics believe it or not

[restive storm]

which is kinda crazy cuz none of them do any sort of multi pking content lol

[fading grail]

Imagine grinding for the max level to get an extra lil cosmetic.. but slayer helm hood works fine

[meager flame]

i mean if it messed up multi then that should be addressed

[quasi glade]

DW the people he asked about this update was dino,purespam and odablock lol

[minor whale]

Champions Max Cape is just not on their list of things they care about (for valid reasons)

[meager flame]

since it was only supposed to matter for singles

[brisk hill]

Neither do the content creators who push this so gg no re

[quasi glade]

(people who can streamer mass 300 people)

[hard axle]

I really hate that higher end shit basically can only be cosmetic

[quasi glade]

and not worry

about ever being outnumbered

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah, I just say a Behe vid with Tasty saying Mod Nox was in his twitch chat saying they have a standard for Max capes. The variants were all BiS at some point.

They do not want to open the door to purely cosmetic Max capes as there's a LOT of just pure cosmetic back slot items.

[quasi glade]

But will say its a SKILL

[brisk hill]

That’s the point! The first topic addressing multi in a very long time = about teleporting

[quasi glade]

to streamer mass

400 people

[brisk hill]

It’s silly

[minor whale]

Max Cape variants are much more difficult for them than slayer helm and even slayer helm they've said is basically pushing the limits of how many more they can add

[brisk hill]

You have now made it to the plight of the multi pker

[quasi glade]

Dino : Update good!
Purespam: Update good!

(both can just streamer mass 300 people and not worry about quality)

[meager flame]

i actually think this is something they should spend (im assuming) engine dev time on

[fading grail]

https://tenor.com/view/mutiny-this-is-mutiny-captain-pirates-the-simpsons-gif-12977056

[meager flame]

since i have to imagine thats where the limits are coming from

[quasi glade]

Then those same people will cry about "raggers" when they can just avoid raggers lol

You dont have to fight them

[minor whale]

I really don't
Purely cosmetic max capes are silly and not worth all the art time imo

[meager flame]

yeah but its not purely cosmetics like

[minor whale]

I think fixing the tech behind it would be fine

But actually adding it nah not worth

[meager flame]

if jagex is running out of space/time/options for cosmetics when the cosmetics make sense

they should fix that

[nocturne solstice]

Wym? It definitely is purely cosmetic

I... dont think a max champion cape is a "makes sense" kinda thing. It's just a "would be nice" kinda thing.

[meager flame]

im not saying make everything people ask for

im just saying that should never be an excuse to not make a variant when it does make sense

and it currently will be

[minor whale]

I think they should spend whatever time is needed to fix the engines in whatever way they're busted just so down the line it's not an issue, but they've got a lot on their plate atm and it seems pretty minor

[fading grail]

It would have been and prob been the nicest looking max cape/flex looking one due to colours

[meager flame]

like we actually have bis capes right now

that do not have max cape variants

[nocturne solstice]

I disagree

Its all subjective anyway so let's not use that as justification.

[fading grail]

Each to our own opinion

[meager flame]

even though i'd say the max cape variant of the dmm mage capes would probably be like

some of the best max capes they've ever made

[fading grail]

^ true

Dmm capes are nice

[fading grail]

Maybe the million bots on every world aswell

[minor whale]

Wouldn't it be the only max cape variant that doesn't do... anything?
All other max cape variants are just the cape that looks like a max cape
And the max cape itself has the max cape options
A champions Max Cape would just be a useless cosmetic item that is neither max cape nor useful

[fading grail]

Any cosmetic can be seen as useless

[meager flame]

yeah it would be useless but fixing the tech behind that would open the door to us not having the temu version of the max cape

the original they took the idea from let you pick your colors within reason

[minor whale]

No thanks

[fading grail]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/8svpok/suggestion_champions_max_cape/ Look at that beauty

[meager flame]

i do think there should be different variants of the base max cape though

im not entirely sure what they should be related to because i wouldn't want to do it for no reason

[minor whale]

It looks good isn't really a justification for it existing
It's still a silly useless item that an extremely small subset of people would ever equip that doesn't seem really worth the dev time

[kind surge]

limiting max cape cosmetic variants to actual milestone capes is fair I think

[meager flame]

actually i do know one thing i'd like to see

[kind surge]

the only capes I can think of that fit that are champions' cape and princely monkey

[meager flame]

i would like to see a different color max cape based on the game mode you're playing

[vivid ruin]

It makes more sense than the holy moley slippers tbf

[meager flame]

so like if youre a uim its another color than for a main

i think thats meaningful enough to give them different color overrides

[fading grail]

Thats clearly worth the dev time though, alot of people will use them to stand at ge

[kind surge]

asking for a max team cape x variant would be unreasonable, for example

[meager flame]

since a uim max cape a main max cape and an iron max cape really aren't the same experience

[kind surge]

since you'd also have to do it for all other capes from clues

[meager flame]

theres probably some other suggestions out there that would be meaningful enough too

i just dunno what they would be

[fading grail]

Its ok, they dont want to do it. Would have been a nice addition, seeing someone sporting the cape would have made me want to do the grind to get it aswell

[vivid ruin]

The champ cape is pretty underwhelming for the grind required for it

[meager flame]

maybe one for things like hitting the final tier on the collection log

cape >>>>>>>>> weird staff

[idle rapids]

Im surprised mole slippers are still going up so much in price when the holy moleys would just be a worse devout boots p much

[idle rapids]

its only a weird staff if you dont have a lot of clogs 😛
gilded staff looks pretty good

[vivid ruin]

It makes no sense lmao. Pretty sure its just merchers preparing to prey on others

[meager flame]

yeah but its useless

imagine a basic max cape with that color scheme

way cooler and you can actually bring it with you to do things

[idle rapids]

You realize max cape transmogs don't get the effects of a max cape right?

[meager flame]

i think they kind of have been neglecting the actual max cape with some cool recolors

yeah thats what im talking about though

the max cape that functions as a max cape should probably have some recolors

you just have to come up with meaningfully cool things to give them for

[jagged marsh]

Kid named masori assembler max cape

[fading grail]

Champ cape holds no current stats so would/should just be classed as a recolour to hold the same effects of the max cape

[meager flame]

its just hard to get a long list of things that would work

[idle rapids]

It having no stats is why they haven't made a champ max cape in the first place

[meager flame]

but theres at least a few like one for each account type since the journey was different to max

[idle rapids]

Max cape transmogs have always historically been for BIS gear

[fading grail]

Ask the devs 😄

[idle rapids]

I mean I'm not complaining if they add champ max cape, it would be cool, but idk how many people would even wear it tbh

Is it that big a flex that you spent 50-100 hours killing trash mobs? Not really

[meager flame]

if they allowed it to continue being a max cape since the champions cape does nothing

i'd probably go get one

its just an extra flex for your max cape

[fading grail]

I would guarantee if was released more people would use it > do the grind rather than just having the red cape

[heavy coyote]

I'm still very new to the game so I think all the suggestions for the poll are good, can I just vote yes to all of them? 😆

[nocturne solstice]

You can indeed if you are a member

Poll aint active yet tho

[meager flame]

im not sure if getting a champions cape is enough of a grind to make that the first one though

[idle rapids]

Id rather have them work on a completionist cape tbh

[junior kettle]

Mo!

[meager flame]

the problem with comp cape is that we will get into an insane discussion where everyone tries to litigate exactly what counts and what doesn't and how to count

that will be never ending

[restive storm]

imagine the outcries when people wouldnt wanna do BH

[heavy coyote]

I'd like to see an ironman max cape variant. Give me even more reason to continue to progress my ironman than I already do

[tender harness]

they add the meme holy moleys
should add champion max cape

they opened the door at this point

[meager flame]

ya champions max cape is way cooler than the holy moleys

[icy relic]

this is really funny

[idle rapids]

You would just have a certain % of things that need to be done like how the gilded collection log staff works

[icy relic]

the HLC lost their minds over final boss

[idle rapids]

They've already proposed a design for it during a previous game jam

[icy relic]

imagine how mad people would get over zuk helm being included in comp

[meager flame]

i do think this is what would happen

and its how jagex would make it so you dont have to complete the col log tiers

or get zuk helm

to get comp cape

[idle rapids]

Yea

Thats pretty much what they pitched

It was just a game jam thing so it never came to be though

But I think itd be cool

[icy relic]

defeats the purpose then

[meager flame]

i mean it doesn't really defeat the purpose it just changes the finish line

like

[idle rapids]

Not rlly they could still have a trimmed one that makes you do everything

[meager flame]

even with that implementation its not going to be quick or easy

so its still gonna mean something

[idle rapids]

and actually give people who got quest cape for diary 5 years ago a reason to finish up every quest 😛

[icy relic]

I should re-comp in rs3...

it's been a while

[brisk hill]

How would pvmers feel is raids or content were restricted when they got a drop?

Pkers feeling the same rn

Maybe add 15 minute timer to raids

[nocturne solstice]

i dont understand that sentence

[meager flame]

i mean if they banned me when i got an arcane prayer scroll i might not argue for a few minutes at least

[nocturne solstice]

Also bruh it takes my teammates 15m to prep before we even start the raid

[brisk hill]

Sounds like your teammates are v slow idk lol

[meager flame]

lmao you should've seen my brain on 3 months of doing cox until tbow

[brisk hill]

It’s not supposed to be a good argument nor a good suggestion btw

😂

[meager flame]

i would space out and stand in front of the entrance to olm for like

20 minutes

[icy relic]

the hardest part about toa is mustering the willpower to pot that shit raid

[meager flame]

ya thats where it began

[icy relic]

remove both the wildy and toa

[meager flame]

i did toa until shadow and i was the biggest lobby warrior ever by the time i finished toa

[brisk hill]

Play rs3

[meager flame]

then i immediately started cox

[icy relic]

I do play rs3

[brisk hill]

Praying for you

[small anvil]

Mental health breaks

[hard axle]

The more apt comparison is if they added a 2 minute respawn timer if you died in a raid before you join back in.

News flash, most raids don’t let you run it back if you die until after the room is done

[brisk hill]

Like I said it’s not supposed to be a good suggestion

[hard axle]

olm is the only exception and is the most penalizing of all 3 raids in terms of point deaths

[brisk hill]

Just like what they are suggesting isn’t good for PvP

[hard axle]

It’s a dogshit comparison

[brisk hill]

: )

[nocturne solstice]

It mainly seems like multi-combat PVP is the problem

Since singles isnt affected

[meager flame]

well

its kind of bad game design

[icy relic]

At least you can finish the raid when you die at olm

[meager flame]

its jagex realizing there is a problem and inventing another quirky random wilderness only rule that people wont understand

[oblique mesa]

The issue is with the weirdos who rag.

PvM doesn't have anything you could really compare

[icy relic]

toa is just lol you wasted 30 mins of your life

[nocturne solstice]

Guess we better remove multicombat pvp and just stick all that in minigames then.

[meager flame]

instead of going at the heart of the problem

[hard axle]

I just gave an example

[meager flame]

things like

[hard axle]

Olm

[meager flame]

why is ragging so good

[fading grail]

https://tenor.com/view/take-that-back-drake-and-josh-gif-10978040

[meager flame]

why do we have free items that actually have decent stats so you can just run at people and lose 30 sets

and not care

[fading grail]

You already took multi revs

[meager flame]

etc

[hard axle]

Nah, singles are boring as shit

[oblique mesa]

An example that doesn't work at all

[small anvil]

Is ragging even good or is it just annoying

[brisk hill]

Both

[nocturne solstice]

It's just been nerf after nerf with pj timer, singles+, and this tele timer. There must be something going on there in multicombat pvp for em to nerf it over and over again.

[oblique mesa]

Yes

[hard axle]

Add a 2 minute respawn timer to olm deaths basically

[hard axle]

It’s both

[fading grail]

Ragging

1 iteming

[hard axle]

Cuz most fights last much longer than it takes to come back

[meager flame]

i mean it doesn't even have to be 1 item

[idle rapids]

Tradable TB Rum teleports would've been OP with the inifinite point glitch 😮

[fading grail]

Returning in 20 secs with a full invent of p necks

[brisk hill]

Add a coffee for entering wildy the same way there’s one for BH & Revs

[meager flame]

they can have a full gear set and swaps and lose like fucking lol

30k on death

[brisk hill]

Coffer*

[meager flame]

and not care

its insane

[hard axle]

We’ve killed folks and they got back before we killed the 2nd person

[idle rapids]

I'm surprised they even care about making the rum tradable because its a teleport you'd pretty much never ever use

[icy relic]

classic pvp was all ragging back when everyone considered the wildy good anyway

[nocturne solstice]

If you go BH its constant ragging
They go with VW double spec and run away, sometimes they get the kill which is why they do it.

[small anvil]

I should join the pk trips one day

[brisk hill]

True the “glory days” were double hides and dds

[meager flame]

i mean everyone was kind of ragging when i started pking lol like

sure we had whips and like rune and mystic with a berserker helm

so you didn't really care unless you got smited

[fading grail]

Was it at one point 100k per death coins taken from your bank?

[icy relic]

nobody actually wants to risk

[fading grail]

Or have i made that up

[brisk hill]

In rev caves

Currently

[meager flame]

in a way though thats kinda why those were the glory days or whatever

[brisk hill]

You pay the fee to enter & it goes to the pker who kills you

[meager flame]

people could play without taking a huge loss + everyone sucked

[icy relic]

exactly

there were no stakes

it was just fun

[fading grail]

No this different, was a while back i think

Cant remember but ye people can turn up in snake skin > 20 p necks

[dawn jackal]

i can't think of much worse for the game than a comp cape

[meager flame]

i mean some people did risk like

dming started back then too

some people would run barrows/fury/b ring

but not too many people were doing that

[icy relic]

staking/risking has always been a super minority crowd

[fading grail]

Yeah if you do that now, people in snakeskin/bally, lunar/sotd will out dps you

[brisk hill]

If they have more tha you sure. But you shouldn’t die in a 1v2 to 2 guys in snakeskin while in barrows max l0l

[meager flame]

yeah now you just show up in literal rags like you're homeless and drop some crazy shit on someone's head if you're lucky with the one item you brought that actually does something

[icy relic]

if you are asking people to risk, it will always be a hard sell and people will always look for minimal risk

[brisk hill]

Yes but restricting teleports into wildy to try and fix a ragging problem is ludacris lol

[fading grail]

Its unpolled as usual for PVP anyway so see when its released 😄

[meager flame]

jagex honestly just needs to profile the gear people use to rag and just either make the npcs that give it to you start charging

or remove the stats from those items

so that people have to at least have a minimum decent set

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think its to solve the ragging problem but to end the forever fighting between clans

[brisk hill]

But clans want that

[meager flame]

yeah but why solve that

[brisk hill]

Why take away something people actively participate in

[restive storm]

yeah i dont see why we're trying to end those?

[nocturne solstice]

I dunno since I dont engage in that, but Jagex seems to think its a problem

[silk thicket]

They mention returning in rag specifically

[brisk hill]

If clans didn’t want that wouldn’t they just… not?

[silk thicket]

As the thing they want to end

[fading grail]

Thats the purpose of clans, you want them to sit around a campfire at GDZ?

[meager flame]

yeah i mean if you didn't like it you'd just stop teleporting in with your rags

[restive storm]

its multi everyone is perma in rag

a "max" multi set is like a mil

[nocturne solstice]

Buddy there are clans that dont PVP

I dont know why you would say something so silly

[fading grail]

They are called PVM clans

[meager flame]

its not like the stakes are here for anything except basically talking shit to each other and trying to make them quit first

[silk thicket]

Yeah but black D’hide nezzy rag is diff to 1 item crystal bow rag

[meager flame]

and if they want to go at it let them lol

[brisk hill]

Black d hide & nezzy isn’t rag lol

[silk thicket]

Ye

[fading grail]

The wilderness is classed as a dangeous place and people moan about it being dangerous..

[brisk hill]

Snakeskin & salamander is rag

[silk thicket]

Yeah that’s what I mean

It’s not rag in multi it’s fine

[restive storm]

may as well be cuz ur gonna lose more money drinking brews than you get from them

[silk thicket]

In singles you’d call it rag

[nocturne solstice]

rag is rag

[silk thicket]

1 item crystal bow returning is what they wanna stop

[brisk hill]

That’s fair but for most it’s not about profit

[merry sail]

Come on a pk trip with us and see what multi is all about. It’s not dead. It’s actually the only reason I even play

[fading grail]

Team name

[merry sail]

Is my tag broza

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think its dead and id rather not but you have fun man 👍

[silk thicket]

Ya this is the other problem

[icy relic]

it's been years since I've done clan warring

[restive storm]

i miss singles pk trips so bad 😢

[meager flame]

i do think that multi clans are more fun than a lot of people realize

[icy relic]

always enjoyed f2p warring

[silk thicket]

The issue is way bigger than fast returns

[merry sail]

Go 304 or 305 altar lol

[meager flame]

its one of the last places you're allowed to kind of suck at pvp but still play and get things done with other people

[merry sail]

You can see the real sweaters in singles there

[haughty anvil]

Not everyone volunteers to be ragged. Although some wars seem to be specifically geared towards that.

[restive storm]

absolutely not

[icy relic]

shit was way more balanced and you could actually tank 20 people

[brisk hill]

If you’re getting ragged: leave?

I’m not sure I understand

[fading grail]

Run into team > nearly clear other team > other team returns in garbage

[brisk hill]

But if there is a fight that will only be a rag war, avoid it?

[silk thicket]

Playing the game to stop others playing the game is bad

That’s why ragging is bannable

[meager flame]

i mean they dont have to stop playing just go to another location like

lol

[dawn jackal]

i don't know much about pvp at all - why are the proposed teleport changes bad?

[meager flame]

you dont have to stand your ground and fight to the death when its just people from brazil flying in with crystal bows

you can just take what you've got and leave lol

[silk thicket]

Theyre too specific in some ways and not specific enough in others

[icy relic]

It just restricts legitimte gameplay to try to solve a niche problem

[silk thicket]

They don’t adequately address the problem

[restive storm]

just pointlessly wastes people's time, like if you hit someone at a multi boss and bank the kill, you just have to sit around for 2 minutes doing ntohing before teleing back up

[brisk hill]

Yes I agree. But if someone is there in rags you as an individual don’t have to stay

Kill it & leave?

[haughty anvil]

Thanks for stating exactly what jagex is trying to fix.

[merry sail]

Who can return the fastest to a war has and always will be a pride thing

[meager flame]

i just think its interesting because idk if its even a real problem

[silk thicket]

But if I wanna pk altar and I’m getting crystal bow ragged

They’re just gna return before I can bank for more brews

[meager flame]

although there is a discussion to be had about how powerful they are and if you cant get out of the wild

before the people in rags can kill you

that could be a real issue

[icy relic]

It's definitely a problem for non=organized warring

[meager flame]

but thats once again a moment for jagex to consider nerfing the items that are free

[silk thicket]

Or if im with a small group on a multi trip and a group follows us in 1 item

[icy relic]

back in the days we would handshake on wars to set the terms

[silk thicket]

Gz now I’m out of brews and I can’t multi pk

All cuz of some morons

[haughty anvil]

This is true as well and a whole other topic

[hard axle]

yeah like, the death timer isn’t abnormal lmao

Most games have it

[silk thicket]

It’s not about dying

[brisk hill]

It’s not about dying lol

[silk thicket]

It’s about being unable to do the thing u want - pk - and wasting ur supplies

[brisk hill]

If you tele with skull you cannot return

They haven’t expanded on if it resets on death

What people are talking about are rag wars where people in trash gear die over & over again

[meager flame]

i feel like they should just focus on how effective the people coming back in rags actually are

like it wouldn't really matter if they ran in with almost nothing and just died like idiots

[brisk hill]

They tried that. They nerfed moonclan

But weapons & items are OP

Who cares if I’m wearing snakeskin

[silk thicket]

Hmm how long does it take to run from Callisto cave to 30 line, tele, bank and resupply?

Prob close to 2mins

[brisk hill]

My korasi has guaranteed damage

[meager flame]

i mean the tele/bank/resupply part is seconds

its really just about how long the run is

[haughty anvil]

One item raggers are fuming right now and I love it.

[brisk hill]

You’re in a multi clan & think this is good for you?

[haughty anvil]

[brisk hill]

Sadge

[silk thicket]

Ye it prob all adds up

[hard axle]

If ur tellying out, you shouldn’t be able to regear and run back either

[silk thicket]

Doubt you’d have to afk for long honestly

[meager flame]

i dont think you'd really afk at all

most places in the wild are close enough that you'd just tele ferox and run there on foot

in about that much time

[merry sail]

If you can’t return in sub 45 seconds idk what to tell you :S even that’s an old standard

[meager flame]

since you'd bank in like 10 seconds

[quasi glade]

I mean what's the point of making pking more annoying

All these extra rules..?

[merry sail]

Well call it sub 60 for new players

[quasi glade]

For why

[meager flame]

so what would happen is you'd run to 30 tele out

[silk thicket]

Lmk what u think after u have 15 ppl in 1 item salamander following u around

[meager flame]

regear very quickly

go ferox

and probably run wherever

[quasi glade]

Ok they will do that anyway lmfao

You think this will stop them?

[silk thicket]

Slows em down

[meager flame]

maybe go edge and lever depending on exactly where you're going

[silk thicket]

Makes it more annoying

More boring

[meager flame]

probably faster than waiting out the timer

[silk thicket]

Naughty step

But I think the change could be improved

[quasi glade]

Just delete the wilderness at his point

The staple of clanning and the wilderness is gone with this update

[silk thicket]

It’s not live yet

Relax

[meager flame]

i mean i kinda do think they should do a big clan wars refresh where you can setup good wars with loot and people returning with agreed upon gear etc

[quasi glade]

It's going to be

Do you think they listen

[silk thicket]

They said they’re open to feedback

Yes

[minor whale]

This proposal definitely isn't "controversial" just going by the up/down ratio on the post and most comments on Reddit about it just not really existing
I think they'll minorly rework it but I'd wager if they polled it it'd pass with flying colors

[quasi glade]

They also said that with the pj timer

[silk thicket]

So how would u improve the change

[quasi glade]

Not implement it?

Or add a global skull fee of 100k to all skulled players

[silk thicket]

I’d be fine with this

But dunno how it’d work exactly

[quasi glade]

You have a coffer in your bank

[silk thicket]

Do u have to put 100k in to enter wildy? Or to skull?

[quasi glade]

That you put GP into

[meager flame]

same way they do rev cave entrance

[silk thicket]

If u got no money in coffee does it tell u u can’t attack the person? Etc

[quasi glade]

Wilderness coffer

[meager flame]

although it would be weird bc yeah

it would have to say you're too broke to attack

lmao

[quasi glade]

Yup

[silk thicket]

Ye

But

I’d be fine with it

And actually you’d profit or break even killing 1 item raggers that bring 15 brews

[quasi glade]

There would be ways better than impacting the entire wilderness for raggers

[minor whale]

Make a teleport while skulled fee of 200k
Money simply disappears

[silk thicket]

Instead of losing gp on brews

Works for me

[round lintel]

No, because pvmers going to rev will be 100k for skull + 100k for revs? never passsing that poll

[meager flame]

could just let people in for free if skulled

[silk thicket]

Ye agreed my first suggestion was the tele limit but only if u risk under 100k

[meager flame]

since they've got the 100k on the line just because of the skull anyways

[silk thicket]

But id be fine with just 100k fee to skull

[quasi glade]

There's alot they can do w.o killing

multi fights

[silk thicket]

Ye

Agreed

[quasi glade]

in every single scene

in the game

P2P wars, F2P wars, Pure wars

spontaneous fights

[silk thicket]

100k in coffer to skull
Goes to killer if u die
Ez

Might encourage ppl to bring more risk as well bcos diff between 200k and 300k risk feels less than diff between 100k and 200k

[quasi glade]

A fee to enter the wilderness for every1 so every1 needs to have atleast 100k in coffer but the fee is only taken when you die skulled

[meager flame]

honestly

that would go hard

[quasi glade]

Would be how it'd be developed probably

[silk thicket]

Idk if on entry would be good

[meager flame]

because it would absolutely shit on bot farms lol

[silk thicket]

Imagine the pain in the ass

[quasi glade]

Well if your not skulled its just once

[silk thicket]

Try to cross ditch
Press a tele

Constant interfaces and shit for noobs

Getting confused

[quasi glade]

Well jagex got enough interfaces in game anyway

whats 1 more

[silk thicket]

Also Ironman starting out and collecting steel plates isn’t gna skull or rag

Should prob let em enter wildy

[hard axle]

Turn the Wildy into a cave and an anti teleport area, with multiple safe zones

[silk thicket]

Just restrict skulling

[hard axle]

[meager flame]

this is one of those times where i think the early game ironman is an acceptable loss

can you imagine what would happen to the suicide bot farms if they just had to have 100k in cash for each death

to even be in the wild

[quasi glade]

Yes

It increases costs to bot farms

[meager flame]

lmao it would hurt them bad

[silk thicket]

But they aren’t skulling rly

[meager flame]

ya just change it to 100k to exist out there

rather than skulled

[quasi glade]

Well they should just add a hard diary req to wildy bosses

[silk thicket]

[quasi glade]

they already got

med diary

to single variants

but none for multi

which are more rewards?

[silk thicket]

Isn’t there a fee to enter boss caves

[quasi glade]

not the multi

variants

[silk thicket]

Ah

[quasi glade]

or single

its just

[silk thicket]

Nah I always see like

Ur fee has been reduced or something

[haughty anvil]

10 minute return timer 1m from coffer to enter wilderness.

[kind surge]

50k for singles, but the next time you pay if you die it gets reduced for every kc you do

10k each time

[silk thicket]

Nah we gotta encourage new pkers too

Else the wildy will die

[kind surge]

but that's basically 0 cost entry fee at that point

[haughty anvil]

If you die you get logged out of the game for the rest of the day

[quasi glade]

Just bring back multi revs with 200k entry fee

[silk thicket]

Mm yh I mean 100k fee to enter wildy and 75k goes to pker

U could farm bots on return

Make em lose money

Gold sink

Ez gp for pkers

[oblique mesa]

Would never pass, all the reddit clue doers who die for their spade would lose their minds

[quasi glade]

But they'll release an update that kills clanning unpolled?

[silk thicket]

Yeah then they should bring more than a spade and 10m of tele scrolls

[quasi glade]

Like if discord didnt exist

[haughty anvil]

[meager flame]

i mean tbf

[quasi glade]

They wouldnt even know

[silk thicket]

Maybe some freezes and D’hide

[meager flame]

they shouldn't be asking those people to go to the wild

[quasi glade]

That too

lol

[meager flame]

just take their clues out or make them optional

idk why jagex struggles so hard with making the wild good for the people who want to be there

but they're just all in on luring in people that hate it

lmao its why people hate the wild

[quasi glade]

It wants to make it good for people that never want to go in

So the people currently in the wilderness get nothing

so they eventually quit

and can delete the wilderness

[zenith pike]

Keep the clues in, fuck those people in particular

[restive storm]

why would they take clues out theyre fine lol

[meager flame]

because even though thats a very minor example of it

[silk thicket]

U don’t love doing lms and being flamed by ironmen

[meager flame]

the entire reason people hate pvp updates, the wild, pkers etc

is because jagex pushes people who hate the content

to go participate

[quasi glade]

yes lol

multi revs

[restive storm]

that isnt gonna change if you just keep taking things out lol

[quasi glade]

was the best update for pvp in years

and was removed for rwt

[silk thicket]

Loool

[quasi glade]

like RWT doesnt happen

everywhere in the game

It probably happens more in single revs now than it did in multi revs

[restive storm]

thank god revs is single so there isnt any rwt going on there now

https://tenor.com/view/nbc-world-of-dance-world-of-dance-gifs-cover-eyes-peek-a-boo-gif-9685400

[quasi glade]

lmfao

[meager flame]

did you ever see the bot busting streams

[quasi glade]

Just buncha rev bots

😂

[meager flame]

i remember one of them where they had like a bot tracking heat map

where they had all the bots on a special world

[restive storm]

every day i play the game its like my own personal bot busting stream

[brisk hill]

Thank god endgame pvm isn’t gatekept. Surely allll the gp stays in game lol

[meager flame]

and it was like the apocalypse running from ferox to rev caves

[quasi glade]

The only time they care about RWT is when its in the wilderness

ignore vorkath pnm toa tob zulrah

tho

The thousands of bots in there daily everyday

that nobody can see

[meager flame]

but thats just because jagex is big silly

that would be the average pvm boss too if it had 0 requirements

[quasi glade]

It's because of reddit

They only cry of whats on surface level

Lacking any critical thinking

[restive storm]

it already is the average pvm boss rn lol, theyre just all instanced so you dont see them

[meager flame]

nah they have bots at the bosses

[quasi glade]

omg rot is running multi revs

[restive storm]

the requirements arent stopping anything

[quasi glade]

remove multi revs

lool

[meager flame]

but rev cave suicide botting is like

orders of magnitude more problematic

because people dont have to prep accounts for it

they just fly in

[restive storm]

i mean it isnt even just suicide botting, theres bots out there with like 130m range xp

[meager flame]

its self sabotage from jagex for wilderness content

[restive storm]

lol

[quasi glade]

I mean you dont know how bad the situatuon is at the other bosses

no

like

we cant see

because its all instanced

[meager flame]

we can though they've done streams where they pull up heat maps of the bots

[brisk hill]

Why do you think ely is 500m

[meager flame]

and have all the bots on a special world

[quasi glade]

If the puts they've decided to pull

[brisk hill]

Do you think it’s because it’s useless or botted

[quasi glade]

not all the bots in the game

[meager flame]

there are a lot of bots not in the wild

[quasi glade]

Just the 1s they've decided to show us

There has been multiple corrupt jmods

[meager flame]

but the wild is the bot nations home world lol

[quasi glade]

Yes but

jagex makes it like that

safe content

[meager flame]

because its always going to be easy to just throw new accounts at stuff with no requirement

than to either steal accounts or prep them over time to do other stuff

[quasi glade]

Like the new wildy bosses are so safe

you can have a scout outside

[meager flame]

oh yeah like when i decided to get vw on my iron

[quasi glade]

and there are 5 exits you can choose to go to

[meager flame]

my deaths while completing it were 0

[quasi glade]

or the single variants

[meager flame]

scout too strong

[quasi glade]

you can insta tele