game-update

[chrome lantern]

Good loot

[silent shuttle]

Yeah actually i do remember liking blast mine for xp

Old blast mine tho shesh

[hasty shard]

a lot of mining is like that which is funny

[silent shuttle]

So shayzen only has the lizardmen right?

[hasty shard]

also has organised crime but thats uber niche

i cant remember if they kept the wounded soldiers minigame

oh combat ring for shayzien armour but thats part of the lizardman stuff imo

[silent shuttle]

The skilling update was highkey a blessing

[silent shuttle]

Yeah thats just kinda not something you come back for

So guess kourend only really needs lova and arceus to not have such thick walls and batch of nothingness huh

[chrome lantern]

The Advanced agility course is actually a lot better than Canifis

[hasty shard]

oml right it has an agility course lmao

[meager flame]

this is actually funny

jagex kinda murdered the old cave because it was exactly what they made the catacombs lol

[plucky roost]

I’m surprised how valuable wrath runes have become. Almost 400 gp each. It makes me wish other monsters had 100% elemental weakness, besides frost dragons.

[bronze kernel]

They did remove the Dark Beasts inside after SotE release.

And I think another issue with the old cave was they kept shoving everything inside it by default.

[analog crow]

Slayer caves in general are pretty lazy design imo. Caves should have a more consistent theme. The Fremennik cave is fine as it is now, but the catacombs are a bit strange. Maybe if the catacombs stuck to demons and dragons. Boost the (on-task) shard rates if that turns out to be an issue.

[ember token]

if I could change the catacombs:

• remove The Shallows (the dagannoth/dust devil/jelly area)
  • Warped jellies can stay
• remove all giants and cyclops (not counting the giant's den)
• With dust devils removed from the catacombs, add them somewhere else more fitting that also doesn't completely outclass the ones in the Smoke Dungeon, to get people killing them in the smoke dungeon again
• Increase the rate of shards and totem pieces when killing monsters on task in the catacombs, with the current rates being the off-task rates

[silent shuttle]

Im ngl but theyd have to make the new dust devil area pretty bad for me to go to dungeon because i gotta either get a sceptre, tp to ancients temple then walk a lot or go to al kharid, get a carpet then walk a lot

[bronze kernel]

There is a task only multi-spot in the Smoke Dungeon now BTW

[ember token]

indeed

2 spots actually

[bronze kernel]

They need an agility shortcut on that cliff

Not only good for clues, but also access to the dungeon

[silent shuttle]

Yeah

[ember token]

I'd make a new dust devil spot be about the same as the catacombs location, just located elsewhere, so it's 1 good spot that's closer to a teleport vs. 2 good task only spots in the Smoke Dungeon that are a bit farther to get to and therefore less competitive

[silent shuttle]

kinda contradicting saying "so people go to dungeon more" then giving reason why dungeons would still be less competed

[ember token]

yeah maybe most people are too dumb for that and would just choose to end up spending more time hopping than they would've lost by just... running a bit farther

but objectively even if both locations had the same popularity, the smoke dungeon location would be less competitive simply due to having 2 good spots per world

either way, the catacombs location currently completely invalidates the smoke dungeon

[hard axle]

Still mad about this

[meager flame]

tbh idk why they even have slayer caves

for zeah it i guess makes a small amount of sense because without it

idk how many people would really be there in general

its kind of a weird place because the content just isn't very dense so if you started removing the few things people might really be doing there

it would turn into the largest quest only area in the game quick lol

where for like varrock etc that never happens because the old content has so many different things overlapping that someone is around all the time for some reason

[minor whale]

They don't want to revamp old areas but those old areas suck for slayer rates

If they didn't have slayer caves and catacombs, slayer would be in such a worse state and would be way less popular. Most old areas are singles, far away from anywhere, and low numbers of mobs

[meager flame]

yeah but they wouldn't just delete the cave and have nothing

the point is more so that if they wanted aoe abyssal demons why wasn't that in the basement of the slayer tower when they added it

and so on for each npc

you could just put what we're currently doing somewhere else

so you didn't just tele to the same location to do everything

which is why they bombed the old slayer cave

and then turned around and remade it but this time its purple

sailing was actually a good chance to do a lot of that too

considering that they have several islands where you go get a schematic or lockpick a chest or whatever once and then its dead content for the rest of time

they probably could've made some spots to kill things

[ember token]

i was so baffled when i first went to minotaur's rest

i was actually excited because I saw they added a bunch of summoning models to the game cache

one of those being a minotaur

so I was like surely they'll be a dungeon with some minotaurs here, obviously no special drops but just some new stronger minotaurs you can fight

[chrome lantern]

I was hoping it would be somewhere that I could teleport to my boat for Turael skipping since it's mildly annoying to upkeep skull scepter charges on iron

[ember token]

i enter the dungeon and it's a sparse cave with a few uninteractable fortis minotaurs wandering around

there's nothing on the island except a low level hunter creature

[meager flame]

it just sort of confuses me that they clearly just

[ember token]

the island exists solely to explain where they keep the minotaurs when theyre not actively fighting in the colosseum

[meager flame]

didn't spend a lot of time on the sailing rewards

like the places you can actually go and the things you get for doing sailing are kind of just buffering lol

with us waiting to see what they'll actually be eventually

im kinda worried too because like zeah they might just

not ever really come back and instead make the sailing version of varlamore

and it makes an unfortunate amount of sense because like

if we're gonna make an update to get people excited are you gonna release new seas with new stuff or go back and actually make the islands that people can already go to meaningful

[icy relic]

I still say it was a missed opportunity to really meaningfully integrate slayer

Slaying mythical creatures on the oceans, a new endgame slayer master, actual boss slayer

[chrome lantern]

I think Sailing doesn't really integrate into skills but it sure does integrate a lot of skill requirements into it

[icy relic]

At the end of the day Jagex said they wanted the launch to be pretty conservative, no meta-breaking things added

And we already got some pretty good stuff

But they can't keep dodging around the issue forever

Which is skills needs to impact PvM or a lot of people won't engage with it

[meager flame]

tbh i think they were wrong to do this

not saying they should've just gone insane but like

its a new skill that is what it is supposed to do

pretty much every skill that doesn't integrate with others and open up new metas and ways to play your character when you're doing other things is seen as a failure

like firemaking

[icy relic]

I personally agree but that is the issue with new skills

every new skill in RS3 is just supremely impactful

and it's hard to square that with the controlled powercreep philosophy

I always think more power should come from skills and progressing your account and the gear should push that to the next level

but instead it's entirely the other way around, new accounts can just come in and kill yama/doom and get crazy power

barely having to work on the account at all to get to that point

[meager flame]

i mean i get not wanting too much power creep but its also an essential part of making worthwhile content

basically theres just a time and place for it

and making a new skill is the time and place

[icy relic]

the powercreep comes into the game one way or another, you can't even avoid it even if you solely churn out midgame content

because when you access that power matters as well

for all the crying people did about turms and overloads, those were gated by 94 herb and 95 prayer

pack yak was 98 summ, steel titan was 99

[austere mulch]

Late, but my biggest complaint is that while sailing interacts with the world - it doesn’t really integrate with it.

And as thin of a gray area that is, it’s important to the feel of the skill

And I don’t really see that changing outside of boat teleport locations

[icy relic]

you can walk into doom/yama with some easy ass midgame quests and immediately access endgame gear

this is why tying progression to skilling/overall account progress has to matter

you can't just say oh, 100 hour grind and everything is fair and balanced

[austere mulch]

Moons > Titans > Yama / doom

Is insane progression skip as far as gear goes

Like you’re already most of the way through gear progression at that point lol

[icy relic]

and that pathway basically covers every bit of content that does not require a 10 tile wep

[meager flame]

i just think their big flop is just that they made a skill you can train

they did not make anything you can do with the skill you trained

like we have islands but why are we going to them etc

[austere mulch]

I can now teleport to an island, that needlessly was added with no other teleport method, for a clue step

So there’s that

🤣

Create a problem so you can pitch a solution type deal

[meager flame]

i think it'll eventually get better but like

[icy relic]

I wouldn't even say it's a flop but rather they shipped it too early and are hoping we all forget about its launch state in 2 years

[meager flame]

i dont feel like they even really tried to get many useful islands out to us

in fact basically all of the actually useful ones are just useful because they give you something to build a boat with

[austere mulch]

FWIW launch was still much better than I expected it to be

[meager flame]

i just find it kind of weird because imo

if you're designing the skill and rewards

making islands with cool stuff you want to do and go get etc is the actual fun part

and they kinda just didnt

[austere mulch]

It’s also like, those islands are just content launches that require nothing from sailing at all.

Fossil island is an island that has a mining minigame with great xp, new farming supply (ultra compost), introduced new farming patches (hardwood and seaweed), new hunter methods (birdhouses and herbiboar), new WC method that’s great xp, new slayer cave and slayer creatures, eventually got rune dragons also added as an extension, new fishing method and new agility/thieving methods

So all the new content on islands, to me, have nothing to do with or credit to sailing

They’re just content expansions

[icy relic]

As long as there's a reason for you to revisit the content again and again, I would consider that a success

it just really made sense in my mind to add a new bis high level slayer master

or a dude who you have to manually sail out to who gives you boss tasks

with a new reward space there

[austere mulch]

Put him on a super remote island with no teleports and a tall slayer tower to climb

[icy relic]

dunno, just frustrated about random things

[small anvil]

Sailing was of course gonna lack integration

[icy relic]

like them taking the reddit suggestion that oh, it's not immersive enough to just drink the anti-bleed tonic

[small anvil]

They wanted it to exist and have a way to train it before making dependencies for it

[icy relic]

you have to apply it to cotton bandages to make the anti-bleed poultice

jumping through so many hoops to get mediocre shit

[small anvil]

This was meant to be a foundation but like people can't live without their max cape so they had to release 99

[icy relic]

then you look at inquisitors and SRA and how many limitations and caveats they have

[small anvil]

But it's obvious to me that they wanted the initial release to be more bare bones

[icy relic]

and then they just drop ayak/conflictions on us

just give magic mini fang on all attacks

[icy relic]

they were pretty forward with this so I already tempered my expectations

[small anvil]

That's more of the pendulum swinging on what is/isn't an acceptable level of progression vs power creep

[icy relic]

like the core gameplay is pretty fun, they did a good job with the systems

[small anvil]

I was against sailing in general because you don't need a new skill

[icy relic]

but I am just going to say

[small anvil]

Content that's on islands could obviously be just on land somewhere else

[icy relic]

a skill shipping in this state would NEVER be acceptable in rs3

and people need to hold jagex to some level of accountability for rushing it this hard

[small anvil]

And I'm not sure they would retcon fossil island to require sailing

Even tho it's an obvious candidate to do so

And to give sailing xp

I can't comment on what is/isn't acceptable in rs3 but there's a ton of players in osrs who would freak out at the lvl of power creep acceptable there

So like them slow walking actual upgrades being available via sailing is ok in my mind

If we needed to make a new skill I'd rather the slow roll out

Sailing combat sucks but like, we should be comparing it to greater demons being hit with dragon scims

Should dragon scims (dragon cannon for sailing) be as rare as they are? No not really but meh they'll release more drops for it or better/comparable replacements soon enough I feel, within the next year

[icy relic]

I've accepted that the endgame grinds are ridiculously long because we're not meant to finish them

they need to buy some time for themselves to make more content

which is fine, there's plenty of other stuff in the game to do

even something as basic as teleporting to your ship, you don't get from post-90 sailing. there's nothing to look forward in the skill after you unlock grimstone

you have to either grind krakens or go drop a fat stack of cash on bottled storms

and without teleport to boat you can't access the supposed main draw of sailing

which is easy access to the islands

[queen geode]

Hi all, not sure if there's a welcome or introduction lobby. I played RS many years ago until RS2 launched. I recently created a new OSRS character to start over and would love to play with anyone as I am a little lost and starting over it's a lot to re-learn. My username is urley111. Thank you!

[small anvil]

Yeah I kinda see the drop rates they released with as "keep them busy till the new content comes"

Dragon boat stuff isn't going to be the top of the upgrade tree I don't think, but it has to be hard to get as temporary bis. It keeps people busy (artificially) with the low drop rate

[austere mulch]

Assuming they aim to keep things linear, it’s hard for it not to be since the keel requires level 97

[small anvil]

I think they surely make a better keel as a later drop

[austere mulch]

If they’re planning for sidegrade type stuff so you have bis boats for different things, that could work

[small anvil]

I think they have room for better is all

Not necessary skill level higher

Just better to accommodate higher damage from things they release later

They're not tied to the anti creep sentiment of normal combat

They get to release big things if they want to

Though maybe they'll do it as upgrades to dragon

So things don't feel wasted

But yeah I think things are kinda artificially slow rn and they'll release more nails via drops in things you do anyway, even if they won't necessarily be better nails/hr than frost

[narrow folio]

really hit the nail right on the head there

[small anvil]

I just think we're at the dragon chain is bis stage of things lol

[austere mulch]

I personally don’t think the ship itself (hull, keel, etc) will see bigger general purpose upgrade because of the level requirement for the keel. If anything, I think they’ll be content specific side grades where it’s bis for a subset of sailing activities

Similar thoughts for facilities, but less sold on it

[tacit wharf]

like more content specific core boat parts

[narrow folio]

in that case there needs to be an easy hotswap feature

[dawn jackal]

delete fossil island

[meager flame]

idk if this strat even really makes sense

i feel like all they're doing is making sure to put the biggest magnifying glass on it ever lol since people are just kinda stuck doing stuff and asking things like

why does salvage even drop this

[small anvil]

have you see nthe rates they intended on things like ray barbs lol

[meager flame]

or like

why does jagex even want me to kill 20-30k frost dragons

[small anvil]

like salvage dropping a cannon barrel i kinda get

[meager flame]

and then they're just staring at it like wtf were they doing for weeks

[small anvil]

tho it shoulda been at mercenary to be on theme

[hasty shard]

half of it is like its kind of optional rn too lol

like im almost done with sailing combat without using dragon cannons

i feel like you only need nails rn for actually impactful upgrades

as in, idk i feel like dragon cannon/hook are useless lol

[meager flame]

i mean the dragon cannon isn't useless its just an upgrade to max hits

the hook though

i do feel like its actually just a waste of time

because the cannon matters later

the hook maybe matters never

[hasty shard]

if we assume future sailing pvm then cannon is useful

as it stands its just like one extra max cause who the fuck is using dragon balls 😭

im getting like 0.4 dragon cannonballs per vamp kraken kill

[meager flame]

i actually feel like their salvage design just sorta needs work

i feel like it probably should've been more than the "im at work and wanted free exp" method

[hasty shard]

^

[meager flame]

since now salvage is just doa post 99

[hasty shard]

just adding double spots everywhere is ??

[small anvil]

ya they just made it easier

4/6 too instead of 3/5

[meager flame]

its really mostly the drop tables of salvage

[small anvil]

some places have 2x double spots

[meager flame]

like

[hasty shard]

they're literally not allowed to touch salvaging anymore now i feel cause people went fucking rabid

[small anvil]

which makes it braindead

[meager flame]

it should probably give you more cannonballs/nails

just like port tasks should give you that as well

so you can go sail to be able to do sailing combat etc

or sail to be able to upgrade

and then you know it would probably start being a lot more okay to have sailing npcs dropping stuff you want for when you aren't on a boat

basically its just all part of how sailing only takes from other skills but doesn't really give anything back to the rest of the game

[chrome lantern]

Jagex said they probably were too generous with salvaging/afk before sailing even released

And they were right

[icy relic]

You can't really say things are 'optional' in this game as an excuse because basically everything is some degree of optional in a sandbox and the fact that it exists means people are going to go for it

clogging being the most egregious example

[meager flame]

well yeah playing the game is optional

its always a bad argument when that starts lol

[icy relic]

runescape especially

jagex knows better

if they put it in the game people will grind for it until they burn out

and at some point you can't just excuse them for putting unreasonable stuff in the game "because the game is meant to be unforgiving and hardcore"

it's the worst kind of cope

[meager flame]

yeah like regardless of how much you need to do whatever for whatever reason

some people are going to log in and want to upgrade their boat and progress through the game

if that sucks they'll tell you it sucks

[icy relic]

people just want to have the best stuff

that is like a very rational reason for grinding something in this game

versus all the other non-rational grinds people do anyway because they can

[chrome lantern]

Mod Husky be like

[meager flame]

its just like a million other things they've dealt with to varying degrees in the past

the nightmare drop rates? it sucks they've made it easier

and probably will again lol

[chrome lantern]

Still need 3x more inquis/staff rates and 5x orbs

[meager flame]

my greatest fear for sailing

is that we get the blood rune special

[chrome lantern]

The craziest part is that he told us exactly what it would be like and nobody really questioned it

[meager flame]

where we cope about finding the right way to buff cannonballs etc

for like

years

and end up just doing little to nothing while we wait

and it just sucks the entire time

[chrome lantern]

They still haven't done the enough anything to buff cannonballs

[narrow folio]

I really don't want to do 200 hours of frost dragons for the best boat parts...it's an annoying and lazy obstacle

[winged mantle]

i'm getting my dragon hooks and leaving

[chrome lantern]

It would be one thing if it were a boss or something

But it's not

[meager flame]

this is the worst part its not even content worth your time

[chrome lantern]

It's just a repeat of imbued heart except you don't have to be on task

Which thank goodness

[meager flame]

like its straight up woodcutting on water

[narrow folio]

generic boring afk monster

[meager flame]

where you're just checked

they did it to the cannons and the sheets/nails

[chrome lantern]

Maxing a ship is just like several mini imbued heart grinds layered

[meager flame]

like

i would actually rather grind pnm

than go do frost dragons

and i think the pnm rates are fucked lol

[winged mantle]

they could have made it so much better

introduce dragon bars - smelt dragon items into bars - rare hunts for the schematics which allow you to make the dragon items which you still have to put money into

[meager flame]

but at least its a boss and fun

[chrome lantern]

I would love to do pnm but the drop rates suck and I don't have an imbued heart

[icy relic]

also it's like they conveniently forgot irons exist in the game after years of being fairly mindful

go, go forth and get an indeterminate number of bottled storms and dragon cannons

[winged mantle]

their drop rates are so counter to what they normally do

[icy relic]

who knows if we will add more ship types in the future

or if the ship you upgrade will be useful in the future

[chrome lantern]

No, Husky intentionally did it that way because he enjoys playing the things that suck most on ironman

[winged mantle]

feels like they wanted to extend sailing rather than make it enjoyable to grind for

[chrome lantern]

He literally paralleled upgrading your ship with griding tens of thousands of demons for Radiant contracts

On stream live

[icy relic]

oh yeah I memory holed radiant contracts

[winged mantle]

tone deaf af

[icy relic]

another completely insane decision

[meager flame]

ya i think on some level they wanted to put hours on the board to say it takes a certain amount of time to complete and kind of just came to a crossroad where they had to choose doing that with content they shouldn't really be asking players to do for that many hours

[winged mantle]

the reason i havent gone for oathplate kit on my iron yet

[meager flame]

or just release it with fewer hours to complete

and just blew right past asking if it should be fun or if this content was worth someone spending that much time there

[winged mantle]

hours to "complete" sailing is actually insane

"get 2 visages for enough dragon metal sheets for 1 sloop"

[winged mantle]

very out of touch for what is healthy for the game

[chrome lantern]

Calling himself a gigachad is also pretty weird

[winged mantle]

cringe

[meager flame]

that stuff does make me feel kind of weird but i dont want to give them too hard of a time about it

but yeah like

it just sounds so terminally online

lmao

[chrome lantern]

Having a task-only rate also sucks

[meager flame]

i feel like the task rate would make more sense if you had like

[chrome lantern]

Because it just adds another layer of annoyance to me already hating slayer and having to do tasks I hate for an imbued heart while also going for sheets and nails in parallel

[meager flame]

basically more control over the odds of getting that task

with a new master or unlocks that let you really bump it up to be a common task

but its kind of almost mean spirited to give those task rates and then be like

[chrome lantern]

I've said it many times

[meager flame]

yeah but go turael skip 45 times or whatever on average to maybe see it

wiping out all time save/gain

[meager flame]

i just think they've got a fundamental issue going on where

nobody has ever wanted a task to have low weight unless they never wanted to do it to begin with

at some point it just kind of doesn't really make sense

[icy relic]

it's the RS3 problem

[meager flame]

does jagex want you to do that content or not

[icy relic]

there are now lots of task-only things you want now

before it was just hydra and barrageables for heart grind

[meager flame]

i think the biggest problem is just that they wont go up a level and add a new slayer master

so duradel gets this totally insane task list

[icy relic]

yup, RS3 has 3 higher slayer masters

[meager flame]

idk how slayer even ended up stuck in the past

lmao for years with osrs all they did was make slayer the most up to date skill with how people were playing the game

i guess people criticized that and then they just kind of started neglecting it somehow

[round lintel]

to be hnest idk why so many people are really bashing salvaging here. Take for example Runecrafting, nobody enjoys doing Lava Runes to 99 where max efficiency after full colossal pouch is what? 90k xp an hr? where at souls is 42-45k xp

[chrome lantern]

I do like lavas I did like 3m of my xp there

[meager flame]

i think the exp is fine i dont even care that people can afk some exp

[icy relic]

it's not about exp

[meager flame]

my main problem with salvage is that it doesn't actually do anything for the game besides be an outlet for idle exp

[icy relic]

all of sailing is just exp for exp's sake

the skill is incredibly fast but you get 99 and you complete none of the sailing content

unless you just start salvaging from 83 and then never leave until 99

[meager flame]

like why is there nowhere that i go to salvage because i want something

not like a unique drop but more like

i can go fish anglers because anglers are something helpful/good for my account while i do other content

[chrome lantern]

The loot tables are a bit too disparate I get what you're saying

Like if there were a salvage that focused on logs and planks etc

[icy relic]

for an entire new skill, "oh a better kurask slayer spot" isn't good enough

[chrome lantern]

Don't forget the uninteractable minotaurs

And the extra weight added to your task list at 87

The only significant things aded with sailing are farming patches and marlins

[icy relic]

which didn't even need to come from sailing

[chrome lantern]

Pretty much every use for the Bottled storm is just to get to a location that you wouldn't care at all about if not for sailing

Like new forced clue steps and stuff to upgrade your boat like teleporting to lava wyrms

[meager flame]

tbh farming patches are weird these days

like lol

[icy relic]

varlamore did more to shake up skilling metas than all of sailing

[meager flame]

they keep doing these big area expansions but they can't really add patches the way we're used to seeing them because like

are we just gonna have a 20 herb spot farm run

[chrome lantern]

Oh I forgot about rosewood blowpipe as a crab training weapon

[meager flame]

they added the perfectly named stab weapon

[icy relic]

you can't trade it

i can't buy camphor blowpipe on my alt

[meager flame]

the real folly was the content we decided to do all along

[chrome lantern]

I mean that's just because nobody's wasting a beak on the garbage tier ones

65 ranged is pretty low to be able to use rosewood

[meager flame]

im really curious what efficient maxing is going to look like for an iron like 2 years from now because of sailing

i feel like its just going to be the most disgusting opener to the account of all time where you're just skilling for like

who even knows how long lol

[icy relic]

no like you just can't trade them

so they don't really serve a good purpose as a crabbing weapon

[chrome lantern]

They are tradeable

[icy relic]

ok, you have to buy the beak and then fletch it

[chrome lantern]

Nope

All 3 tiers are fully just

Buyable

[icy relic]

huh...

ok guess I'm stupid

[chrome lantern]

If you're looking at the wiki you're probably looking at it charged

[icy relic]

gotcha

[jagged marsh]

This is true, sailing doesn't give back

[hasty shard]

there is some slayer stuff with sailing 🥺

[jagged marsh]

And even then, you need one boat per step

[hasty shard]

also a non desert sandstone/granite spot

ironwoods

uhhhh

non botted runite spots

trawling would be cool if it actually gave xp

[remote ruin]

cotton seems like a pretty decent method for 73+ crafting training, but getting the seeds is too tedious to do it consistently

[chrome lantern]

Yeah not to mention the [[Haemostatic dressing]] requiring Cotton yarn to complete makes most of the xp from elkhorn coral irrelevant

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Haemostatic_dressing

[round lintel]

Looks legit

[ember token]

thats my one 200m at a time account

working on mining rn

[true talon]

Rosewood feels like a wildy revs wep

Seems like a good upgrade to the msb

[blissful topaz]

Malformed login packet? After dc. Happens every day

Started happening 2 weeks ago and played 2-3 months before that and didnt have this issue.

[obsidian venture]

If you have the screenshot plugin (on top of the client): Right click to open folder -> Click on .runelite -> click on logs -> click on client (no date and top most one) -> look to see if there's any errors or warnings

[round lintel]

2 umbral corals from the patch xd

veery nice

[celest sail]

Was there any reason why the last two salvage spots don’t give any clues?

[dire mango]

Because the treasure is what you salvage along the way.

[obsidian venture]

[bronze kernel]

Too much of the Sailing content feels self contained

Iron and rosewood are only used right now for boats

Lead and nickel as well

[ember token]

[[rosewood blowpipe]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Rosewood_blowpipe

[bronze kernel]

I was talking about the planks

[round lintel]

i mean idk where they could add this to regular construction

as it is you can get 1m xp an hr using mahogany

imagine rosewood?

[tacit wharf]

con is already bloated with items to build and the xp is already absurdly high/hr

[hard axle]

You mention how it feels self contained, but that is entirely sailing's fault.

[round lintel]

yeah could have gone by with existing planks

[hard axle]

They could've used existing resources and new sailing uniques (not commons) that consumed a butt load of existing resources

I personally would've preferred 500 mahogany planks be used over 16 rosewood planks

[round lintel]

we could use the BF or GF to throw dragon items to make metal sheets

[hard axle]

This is what other MMOs do and it was a bad call because now u just have more useless commons

Even if you add more and more uses for cupernickel, they are inferior to rune/addy/mith since they're alch tied

It's the same reason why I don't want them to waste their time redoing smithing because you'll just end up with super rune bar instead of rune bar, push down rune bar items reqs, and nerf alch values for functionally the same thing

Ironically, as much people like to bitch about it, chromium ingots were a good next step

[round lintel]

imagine all those pvm bosses/monsters whose drop table are pretty much alchs aka cg

where a rune item alchs 20k-39k to 1-3k

hahaha

[hard axle]

yeah and xp rates that were previously decent get nerfed even harder

unless we plan to double the ceiling of smithing xp for super rune bar

[round lintel]

I think smithing will remain in its odd way

otherwise they have to revamp the whole game's drop trables

[hard axle]

Yep, and for what good reason? So some irons can make rune closer to 40-60?

Forget rune drops, you already can buy or get most dragon drops soon off of tutorial island.

[small anvil]

like smithing as a skill is a bit uh

there's 2 skills

processing materials

skill check for oath or quests or whatever

[hard axle]

i like just having a skill check for higher end gear

[small anvil]

processing materials is all that the higher lvl reqs matter for

[hard axle]

leave the other methods as training methods

[small anvil]

it's a way to turn drops into gp vial items that get alched

[hard axle]

said it before, but you don't mess with the mona lisa before you get experience fiddling with junk

same for woodworking

[small anvil]

unless you're creating an exit point for items

that isnt just alchs

[hard axle]

torvoath = torva platebody + oath platebody + 1000 runite bar

please

[small anvil]

you dont want things made in the course of training to be good

[winged mantle]

no way you called it that

[hard axle]

give me the 54 max @austere mulch

[round lintel]

id be down more if they add another yama fight type monster with a stab bonus just like oathplate, and then a megarare drop to combine all 3 specific armours (Oath, inq and the stab) with torva for a new set

requiring 1:1

just like treads

[small anvil]

3 megarares required?

[round lintel]

yea

the megarare coming from raids 4

[small anvil]

inq and justi too?

lol

[round lintel]

nah torva tanky

[small anvil]

lets prop up that justi value tho

[round lintel]

anyways treads like service where u add 1, 2 and 3 to make it max

per piece

[hard axle]

fuck it, why not

melee being split into three styles, no attack range, and then not compensated strength wise

[small anvil]

The balance used to be supply cost of food I guess?

Vs runes/arrows

New players love melee cuz no cost of going pew pew

There's def more melee content than others rn tho right?

[narrow folio]

The holy avernic plate 🔥

[round lintel]

am I crazy for asking this giga melee set with same str as torva but with the set bonuses from oathplate, inq and new stab if they add them?

I mean I dont see anything better to add in raids 4

specially how they are pitching it

[obsidian venture]

gatekeep future bis to some degree

[round lintel]

Thats the thing tho this is the future BIS

next future bis maybe higher str armour

[hard axle]

torvoath ideally should be max of oathplate and torva stats

torvinqoath should be max of all three

so yes

[austere mulch]

Give me 60 on salve and I’ll never complain again

[hard axle]

55 max rancour for 60 max salve right?

deal

[austere mulch]

Megarare is a weaker version of khopesh

[round lintel]

idk a spec weapon only be a megarare

[austere mulch]

There’s a megarare spec wep for mage and range too but I can’t leak

[round lintel]

id be down for an emperor ring type (ofc not with +30 everything)

[narrow folio]

zcb and volly

imo just combining all 4 dt2 rings is good enough

[round lintel]

and double stats on some of the wildy ones

aka dead content

[austere mulch]

Lightbearer + zerker would go nuclear

Lerker ring

Lerzerker. Berbearer

[narrow folio]

ooo yeah

[hasty shard]

give me eof

[quiet plank]

I feel like raids rewards can't be upgrades to items from other raids

Cuz it'd be lame to get a drop from one raid and then you need a drop from another raid to even use it

[narrow folio]

it can be a fortify type deal

or treads

like you can use and it's straightup better

but then u add the thing and its even better or u add defense

[hard axle]

they can drop like treads

and then older items get sacrificed to power it up further

preferably offensive stats over defensive

[round lintel]

yea

[hard axle]

most importantly, it has to be useable by itself

to prevent rangers situation

[round lintel]

lately every monster has 90-100% accuracy xd

[hard axle]

scurrius more accurate than verzik

technically

artio too

[round lintel]

look at yama if you miss a pray, doom never misses

is funny how doom if you miss a pray is 30-55

and from lvl 8 and on sometimes u cant even see the projectiles at all

[hasty shard]

doom melees feel like they dont

at least 😭

ive been licked a 0 enough times it feels weirdly humble in comparison to other bosses

[hard axle]

@warm storm did u know that scurrius has 100% accuracy off-pray melees

artio and shellbane too

[warm storm]

ahh specifically melee, that makes more sense. i was pretty sure i tanked a lot of ranged/mage hits when i was afking it

[next sky]

Where is the place to submit general suggestions? I only see the #game-update channel under Updates and Suggestions

[winged mantle]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1022203837265756231

[next sky]

Thanks!

[finite tapir]

vardoingus

[dire mango]

The new ranged styles open up some potential reward space. The blowpipe for example is one of the oldest weapons that is still BIS is several spaces. And one "natural" option could be to make it a 2t light range megarare to surpass the bp. Another option is to flesh out the heavy ranged weapons with an actual dps weapon.

A crush mega is also an option as the current crush bis is a slash megarare in most cases. There are definetly options for more megarare dps weapons still.

[fossil mural]

Mega rare cannon for boat would be A+ content

[fossil mural]

Or better yet, the Master Tool. A pickaxe, axe, harpoon all in one

[dire mango]

If i'm doing an end-game raid, fighting bosses with interesting PVM mechanics, i'd be fuming if the megarare reward is the osrs tool-equivalence of a spork.

[fossil mural]

Raids 4 could be a very challenging skilling raid though. A mining room, woodcutting room, fishing room, sailing way to get there etc. could be lots of fun

[dire mango]

🎣

[obsidian venture]

[thick beacon]

I like the idea of giga bp-not a fan of crush mrare though dont know where ud use that apart from nm its why inq also sucks cuz crush doesint matter

[dire mango]

Anywhere you currently put the scy on crush. Depending on the passive effect of the mega it could for example be made viable at Doom if it's given the same range as a halberd. Given that jagex usually tries to ensure that the mega is good where it comes from it would also see BIS use at the raid itself. They may also choose to flesh out the crush use cases with future bosses as they've done the past couple years with expanding the use cases of the scythe.

A crush raid would also be a very natural spot to put a reward that upgrades inq. Then you have at least "megarare+armour set"-part of the rewards like with the other raids.

[restive siren]

bro a 2h crush club with 2tile range as the mega

or morning star to go with the flail theme

[dire mango]

The inherent logic of not wanting a crush mega because current crush is bad is also somewhat of a self-fulfilling thought process imo. Crush won't become very good without it getting a good weapon that out-competes the scy at crush-weak bosses.

[thick beacon]

ive seen ppl say crush will finaly be good for past 30 content releases. I do think next megarare will prob have a quarter of the power of existing megas due to hm ground they cover. but I think that might be a bit low still. personalyl the most interesting thing about the crush megarare to me would be if it beat budget slash options and bridged gap between scy and no scy. concept of it maybe getting attack range just for it to be viable at doom and then only really interesting for raids 4 i think is pretty weak.

[dire mango]

Crush being bad currently is not something that is immutable. If Jagex made a crush mega then they would hopefully also tailor future releases to it so that it is made more relevant. The scythe was 300m a couple years ago, perhaps the least desirable megarare. But with upgrades to the slash style, the scythe, and more content where it's BIS, it was lifted to more general relevance.

That relevance is something that is player dependent as well. If players hadn't complained about the scythe's irrelevance then it might not have gotten the upgrades that it has these past couple years. The same would likely be the case for a fun crush-mega.

[obsidian venture]

Scythe was still good to use but people were able to cope with the “cost of it” and were justified in using whatever else. Since then we have had so much scythe content and slash buffs that scythe in now in a healthier place and justifies its megarare status

If they made raids 4 crush based, then crush and inq are in. Look at how stab was changed with the introduction of toa + fang

I just hope that the content is challenging to some degree and not as mundane as toa

[left wolf]

Just boosted to put the Gale catcher in

RIP

Can't use it now

[thick beacon]

i agree its something that can be improved on. but releasing a crush megarare when the current state of crush is bad imo is really forced. it definitely will have a postive impact but if they design a megarare around a item that wont have much use outside of its own content I think thats a design disaster. atleast it most likely wont have the mistake of ralos where u dont know what the hell its for. (and choose to make irrlevant even at its own content). but also scy fundamentally just was really strong. even when it was "bad" it was still good for just about everything. was always good for cox/tob.

im sure neutrally crush item can be very good and thats hard to tell without more information on the item. like olm isint in paticular weak to crush or slash but scy is bis because of its power. im sure even if its designed to be crush it will still have power to be good at content like that. the thing about scy though imo was that it was more so pitched as melee megarare rather then anything in particular. the competition that a crush megarare would have to go through esp in the current state of game I think is pretty tough.

[thick beacon]

I agree itd make crush more desirable (and I hope raids 4 is crush based just not mrare) but people dont care about shadow because of stab at all. the diffrence with toa imo is ur not limiting the mrare to that content shadow had obvious implication/uses in toa/outside

[austere mulch]

A concern with crush mega is that even if it ties scythe (or comes close to) on def type neutral targets, like olm, then it instantly becomes the preferred weapon just about in every single one of those cases because, assuming that’s with inq or a new crush armour, that will also benefit your elder / dwh specs

Any why do that to the mega that comes from the one good raid we’ve got 😭 (cox is good too, but still)

If we do get a mainhand mega, it’d seem to make the most sense for it to be ranged typing and repeat the cycle of range - melee - magic

[small anvil]

BP is too good to release a mega better than it

And crossbow you kinda have zcb

I guess you could have a mega with double proc chance to free fire with

But indexing more power into bolt procs is kinda bad balance imo

[idle rapids]

fuck it, add a jaw slot megarare

[small anvil]

Armor mega kinda can't ever be the sort of transformational thing that mega weapons are

Megarare weapons all have better scaling that guarantees they will be better

(and blowpipe has basically that same scaling lol)

The biggest set effect we have is tiny. Also if they did make a crazy set effect or passive effect on armor it's crazy power creep cuz you can use that armor plus existing mega weapons

So the safest thing to do is make the next thing also a mega weapon so you can't double dip.

Range the niches available that I see are like... Fill in the areas where tbow isn't great by having a scaling not dependent on magic

[dire mango]

Yea they'd have to come up with a good and balancable passive so that there is still some choice with melee on def-neutral targets.

[small anvil]

Heavy ranged weapon there's room maybe but it's kinda... The niche is already crossbow which is dominated by bolt procs (which is% HP scaling). Zcb spec exists so you have to avoid overlapping too much and do you really want rubies to matter even more

[idle rapids]

For a while Torva was p much a mega with how versatile and strong it was, but now its just a dinky lil sidegrade

[small anvil]

Torva was never a mega in effect only price

It was no more a mega than ultor ring

[hard axle]

Yep, Bandos but +more str bonus and very irrelevant defense increase

Oathplate is more of a mega than Torva ngl

[idle rapids]

I guess so, to me the stats were really important because more stats = more mvps = more profit, and it was nice being able to just use it for any melee encounter

[idle rapids]

tfw mid game boss power creeps nex out of existence 😩

[hard axle]

Yep

Base Yama is a joke

[small anvil]

I think sticking to mega rare weapons is the way to go

[idle rapids]

mega sally?

[small anvil]

Nah

[idle rapids]

let me launch a nuke out of my salamander right into all the barrows brothers

[small anvil]

High accuracy Range that isn't dependent on magic level maybe?

[idle rapids]

Yea I guess so, aren't you supposed to use bowfa in leviathan? Doesn't seem like something that should be BIS anywhere rlly

[small anvil]

Idk, logical place if we are looking at range weapon is a constant bolt proc I think

All bolts get a proportional effect, still can get full procs

[idle rapids]

a more consistent zcb? I'd hope that would at least require zcb as a component or else thats just another GG power scaling RIP bank value moment

[small anvil]

Zcb spec would still be valuable

Actually proportional would be good cuz Ruby would suck maybe lol

But other bolt procs might need a glow up

[idle rapids]

i guess megarare xbow would fill the 1h mega range niche

and give offhands some more purpose

[small anvil]

They could release a not garbage aquanite thing with it

They could also go for like an extra slow extra strong weapon but that kinda just has a niche for pvp kills lol

[idle rapids]

eh maybe as a small thing from raids 4 or something but that is just gonna be a coll log for most accounts so I dont think they should make it some big thing

Elder maul is prob decent for that right? Would need to outclass that

[chrome lantern]

Describing Elder maul for 7 years

[narrow folio]

I think a mega pvp weapon would just be imbalanced and promote even more gear differential

[minor whale]

I don't think they're gonna do another melee mainhand megarare

Mega pvp-focused weapon is also a non-starter

[narrow folio]

Crush is definitely missing a good weapon

Also if it wasnt useful for pvm it would be a bummer for raid popularity

[minor whale]

I think we're gonna see mega other-slot items
Mega offhands to promote other weapons to approaching mega-rare current weapons, mega blessing slot items that give small boosts to certain combats, etc

[idle rapids]

inq mace is no good?

also can't you use scythe on crush

or is it not rlly built for that

[restive sapphire]

if ranged is gonna have the next megarare since tbow was the first
i think we could get a megarare for light/fast or heavy ranged weapons

[minor whale]

I don't really see how we could have a megarare light/fast item when blowpipe is already at that level

[chrome lantern]

Blowpipe nerf v2

:p

[minor whale]

Maaaaybe a megarare heavy ranged but then we're talking about something better than zcb at places where zcb shines and zcb is already really good

Making something better than the item with a 6.6% chance of hitting 110 damage without any accuracy checks at all is a hard job

[round lintel]

I was saying itll be better to have all in one melee armour just like treads but an armour with all styles bonuses, str similar to torva and be upgraded with the other sets. (As well as gettting a stab set like oathplate)

[small anvil]

It's not that hard lol, you can always just pump the numbers

[round lintel]

That can be a megarare

And a megarare bp sounds bad to me, better off adding a new more powerful dart upgrade basing on dragon darts

[small anvil]

Super melee armor stuff isn't really mega rare worthy imo

[chrome lantern]

A consumable megarare sounds pretty awful

[small anvil]

Like it's nothing you could rebuild around

[chrome lantern]

Or what I really mean is tying megarare power to a rare consumable sounds awful

Whether you're a main or an iron

[round lintel]

I mean look kodai for example

Is a megarare

Is a cosumable itwm

Item

[small anvil]

I mean people think of the big 3 weapons

When they say mega rare

Not the actual rarity level lol

Also kodai isn't consumable, etube is reacting to the idea of better darts

[round lintel]

I wasnt suggesting a megarare should be something to add to darts I was saying if we want to improve bp will be better off if they just add new darts

Maybe with the rarity of Ancestral from cox

Is not the most common item in the raid

[small anvil]

Ancestral for the Omega combine melee sure

But it can't be the headliner imo

[narrow folio]

Thats part of the issue of the best crush being not crush weapons

[chrome lantern]

This reads like you're trying to add Barrows darts or something. That's what I was really reacting to

[round lintel]

My bad its a miscomunnication on my part

[small anvil]

Use oath plate shards to make darts

🙃

[narrow folio]

Oatharian ammunition

[chrome lantern]

Roll against the lower of light ranged and slash defense :p

[narrow folio]

Hybrid weapons that roll against lower of 2 styles would be cool

Like what they proposed for voidwaker

[round lintel]

Im fine with the big 3 as they currently are i dont think we should add a more powerful weapon to the equation

But melee has been pushed back a little compared to ranged

[narrow folio]

Then whats going to drive the raid pinnacle item or is it ok not to have one and have a balanced drop table?

[round lintel]

And mage really needs a new cape

[narrow folio]

Like nex

[round lintel]

Like almost every content relies on tbow on release until is not meta

Nobody takes scythe

[narrow folio]

Tbows getting its fair share now

Actual scythe catering for so long

[round lintel]

Now shadow is really good but people find it as a problem

[small anvil]

Shadows issue is scaling and breaking old content with it's accuracy

Raw DPS wise it's not insane (as evidenced by ayak)

[narrow folio]

Ayaks infringing way too close on it so it needs to be different situationally and having insane defense isnt it

[small anvil]

2 more mdmg releases and ayak would be significantly behind again I think

[narrow folio]

Well its good for high defense but thats not enough uses

[small anvil]

Like shadow working vs kq is just silly

That's kinda a kq issue too tho

They need to totally rebalance how much extra scaling shadow has and how little other mage things benefit from gear

[narrow folio]

Being good at kq and gwd is fine

[small anvil]

The % are tiny for everything besides shadow

[narrow folio]

Pump up the % in turn and ayak becomes destroyer of worlds

Cant have it both ways

[chrome lantern]

Jagex has already made statements on shadow and mage cape

[small anvil]

You would obviously adjust the base values

When you adjust armor

It's ignorant to pretend otherwise

[chrome lantern]

That mage cape will come from a wave minigame and that they promise to address shadow before making any significant new item that would buff it

[round lintel]

Even at max mage i still splash on olms claw

Xd

Or bandos

[narrow folio]

That kind of punishes those not bringing bigger switches

[small anvil]

I mean missing happens but shadow has really high accuracy vs things that weren't intended to be maged

[narrow folio]

If all the base items are getting nerfed

Thats its whole point, high accuracy

So if it doesnt have that then they need to invent a new identity

[chrome lantern]

I mean the converse of this is a good goal imo, rewarding more switches means that your gear actually matters more

[narrow folio]

And i dont think that parts getting nerfed because theyve said current power is fine

[small anvil]

Current max power is a fine spot

They're handcuffed from releasing new things cuz scaling on shadow is stupidly high

It's more than double the bonus scaling from scy or tbow

[narrow folio]

Needing another switch to reach current power on anything is still a nerf no matter how you look at it

[small anvil]

(esp when you take attack speed into account)

[narrow folio]

Uhh how does atk speed factor into anything since theyre all t

5t

[small anvil]

Shadow benefits just as much as ayak from gauntlets while missing an entire effect

Cuz attack speed matters for str of the weapon you compare vs

Scy scales 175% with str but on 5 ticks

[narrow folio]

Percent doesnt care about speed

Flat damage does

[small anvil]

Normalized to 4 tick (a inq mace) it's only scaling 40% better

The point is that shadow scales at 300%

And the fact that magic str is % not raw str

Means that it always scales 300% better

Attack speed moderates the actual scaling benefit of the other megas

They don't actually scale at 175%, it's 140% vs 4t

[chrome lantern]

%dmg is a band-aid system that originates from when spells only scaled from which spell you were casting e.g. spellbook spells and we didn't have powered staffs

[small anvil]

Vs blowpipe tbow is almost equal

[chrome lantern]

It evolved into so many balancing difficulties

[small anvil]

The % system makes shadow worse as a scaling offender

[hard axle]

Yep, it does

[small anvil]

Shadow has a really low base power that keeps it in check

[narrow folio]

I see what you mean now

[small anvil]

1 item shadow is trash

[hard axle]

If you know how math works, percent increases become more problematic when the numbers go up

[small anvil]

(1 item scy also sucky)

[hard axle]

Like 3% of 20 is nothing

But 3% of 200 becomes more of an issue

[chrome lantern]

It was fine when we had like 12% total magic damage%

[small anvil]

Scy is just like wayyyyyy healthier than shadow

[hard axle]

infinitely so

[small anvil]

For future releases

[hard axle]

Scythe has …

[narrow folio]

Shadows compensated by poor base stats compared to the rest which is why its raw dmg is pretty poor relatively

[hard axle]

4+ levers Jagex can choose to control

[small anvil]

Just run a calc if you hypothetically doubled all equipment stats

[hard axle]

Shadow has 2

[small anvil]

And see how crazy shadow would be vs ayak

Vs tbow against bp

[narrow folio]

It would get capped

[small anvil]

Or scy against inq

[narrow folio]

So actually it would scale worse past that

[small anvil]

(the cap is a lie)

[hard axle]

Defense, slash defense, defense cap, monster size, can’t melee distance, etc.

[small anvil]

And caps are an awful way of balancing

[chrome lantern]

Nah the cap does actually exist

[narrow folio]

It's capped in toa right now and yeah caps are shit

[small anvil]

"oh I don't want better gear I'm at cap"

Shadow is bad for balance

And magic scaling is shit

[chrome lantern]

Current max mage is cap +2%

In ToA

Well

+6% because shadow

[small anvil]

The inherent numbers are just so out of whack on shadow

When you look at scaling

[hard axle]

The cap is fine if you know it’s a problem

I’ve been saying that if you slapped on a 28-30 max hit cap on BP, it wouldn’t need to have been nerfed

[narrow folio]

Lame idea

Considering the dmg is past that now

[austere mulch]

Fine. I already leaked the melee spec weapon megarare, being the khopesh. I’ll also leak the range spec weapon megarare. It’s the handcannon

I am NOT leaking magic spec wep megarare though

[thick beacon]

tbow often can beat bp on 0 defence. if something is megarare calabur i think a bp themed item can be better personally

also alot of ppl forget light defence exists now

[austere mulch]

It got added I’m pretty sure. Max hit in toa should be 1 higher than it is otherwise

[chrome lantern]

On that note, it's neat that with Eye we finally have a magic spec weapon that isn't a megarare difficulty to get

[austere mulch]

At least I remember that discussion shortly after delve taking place

Not that I’d ever step back into toa myself

[small anvil]

It would feel so contrived if they made a high speed mega that wasn't light then they released content with higher light range armor to nerf bp

[round lintel]

lets make the next raid megarare the crystal blessing from leagues 5

LOL

[chrome lantern]

Been staying away from ToA since the update where they made Masori 20% rarer in 500s, still need chaps on my iron but I hate it there so much

[austere mulch]

Please lord. Not a blessing slot item 😭

[small anvil]

Keep making people do their diaries

[austere mulch]

Or if they’re going to do a blessing slot, at least have quiver work as it was polled

Tysm

[narrow folio]

Make it need diary cape as an ingredient

[round lintel]

I personally liked the crystal armour working with melee haha

I know is not realistic in the main game

[chrome lantern]

Yeah because the whole point of that was literally directly that you don't need any other gear :p

[narrow folio]

Would also be contrived to make crush content and a new crush weapon then stack on giga flat armor to nerf scythe

[chrome lantern]

Jagex has heard your request and will now make another ammo slot that is now so convoluted to use that it's not useful :^)

[narrow folio]

Makes me think of penny upgrade

[round lintel]

Id be fine if you could use quiver the atlatl and javs

that to me doesnt make sense

[chrome lantern]

It's an ammo slot but only if your other ammo slots don't contain both arrows and bolts, and not if your blessing gives 2 prayer

And the quiver bonus would only apply to one for some reason too

[round lintel]

at this point i think they have abandoned colo and all its content

[narrow folio]

I would just unlock the quiver to take any ammo + make the bonus available to all

And add accuracy bonus on ralos spec or increase the value of drain

[chrome lantern]

1/85 or whatever it is per full colo run is such a meme to get on an iron too

Over 3x rarer than a blessed quiver

[round lintel]

after 80kc total across my accts i shi my pants on a ralos wave 8 on my iron

🙁

[hard axle]

Poor base stats didn’t matter when you get 70-80% of the damage from cheap options

4-way shadow (occult, torm, ma2, and eternal) in mystics is still very nasty.

[round lintel]

no wait it was wave 11

and i died

LOL

[hard axle]

And back when it was a 3 way type of deal when occult was 10%

[narrow folio]

Its comparable to ayak at that point

Even at the top end its pretty close

[hard axle]

Kid named blowpipe:

[narrow folio]

Oh wow 10 accuracy and 1 str

[round lintel]

To be honest things we need from Colo:

• Fix quiver
• Improve Ralos also make it 4 or 5t
• Make sunfire armour have str bonus same as obsidian
• Improve the regular loot

[narrow folio]

We just got treads, surely a difficulty locked item like quiver can afford it

[round lintel]

Echo boots are a mem now with treads

[narrow folio]

If jagex was only intending to improve shadow by a certain amount each update, a rework is only a buff especially for those not in max gear, because theyd still improve it by the same amount but now the difference between gear is less

So in a sense its not really a nerf

[hard axle]

Treads also gave no accuracy increase over pegs

BP just scales atrociously well with accuracy, which is why majority of the nerf back then was on the accuracy, rather than the max hit. Due to the 2t attack speed, it has hyper scaling and will eventually catch back up with enough generic upgrades

[narrow folio]

They do give accuracy over pegs actually

[hard axle]

Don’t get me wrong, Treads were massive

Ah, I’m wrong, 3 more accuracy over pegs

15 over echos

[narrow folio]

But also most werent using pegs and 15 over nothing

[hard axle]

Actually wait

[narrow folio]

So its effectively a lot more than just 3

[hard axle]

18 over echos I think

16*

[minor whale]

Yeah most people were using prims, so treads becoming default while from much easier content than Quiver does is pretty wild

[narrow folio]

But this cape isnt easy to get and the value isnt that insane, and splinters need more use anyway

[hard axle]

Yeah, I don’t think we should be undoing the entire BP accuracy nerf in 2 updates

[narrow folio]

It was more than 2 updates but ok

[hard axle]

The accuracy was 28 less, no?

Treads + quiver

Is like 26

[narrow folio]

Masori has a lot

[hard axle]

If you allowed quiver to work

[narrow folio]

It would also work on bowfa, chins, ralos, etc

[hard axle]

Again, the issue is BP scales harder with stats than any of these, with exception of China on 2+ targets

[narrow folio]

We're well past the old power anyway, nothing says it cant exceed that

Dont know why you're dying on the hill of 10 accuracy of all things

[minor whale]

Masori + quiver already made bp back to pre-nerf accuracy before even talking about treads or charged quiver

Quiver gives +10 over ava's without being charged, and Masori gives +19 over Arma

[narrow folio]

Not quite since darts lost accuracy

But its not a big diff

[minor whale]

10 accuracy and 1 ranged strength from Quiver charge working on everything wouldn't be the end of the world

For an item that's considerably harder to get than Masori or Treads

[narrow folio]

Quivers just so convoluted and underwhelming for the difficulty and it not working full power on half the range options is crazy

And max gear back then was considerably easier to obtain

[hard axle]

fine, but we slap BP with a cap now

it’s like Pinocchio’s nose in a village of liars

[round lintel]

again id be more up for a new set of darts

[narrow folio]

Caps if not on specific monsters are lame

[hard axle]

But necessary

[round lintel]

base on ddarts

[narrow folio]

Also lame on specific monsters cough zulrah

[hard axle]

imagine shadow with 3x and no cap

No more mage upgrades

[narrow folio]

Whats lame is having new gear and it not doing anything

[round lintel]

I feel colo needs attention

[austere mulch]

New range weapon will be the exhaustpipe and only take obsidian (drag equivalent), crystal, or Oathplate darts

[hard axle]

oathplate darts

Howly

[round lintel]

Doom needs also attention, the boulder spamming is annoying, the acid being random also sucks

[austere mulch]

It will also heal you for 6x the damage dealt, spread over 15 ticks, and be a 2t attack speed regardless of attack style

[minor whale]

Colo is good content with absolutely 0 reason to do it anymore for any account after quiver lol
The prayer gear is useless, Ralos takes more time to obtain than it would ever save in thousands of kc of anywhere you'd use it, the echo boots are also useless, and the sunfire splinters are farmed to death

[narrow folio]

Oathplate adds slash bleeding to the dart effect so u have bleed and venom

[round lintel]

and regular loot from doom is weird

[narrow folio]

Echo boots having a limited aoe only around YOU makes it suck for zulrah on top of needing more of those crystals

[round lintel]

with the bones having an 8k value

xd

[narrow folio]

Instead of splinters to charge

Like bruh

[round lintel]

I mean with sailing i think they forgot to work on existing content we've been asking to be improved

hopefully now they somewhat got sailing out of the way

we finally see these improvements

[narrow folio]

Its just going to be more sailing stuff

More planned, fixes, buffs, etc

[oblique mesa]

Please no, I know its been 3 weeks but sailing needs help 🥺

[round lintel]

They also should allow us to use dragon items like chainbody, helms, etc to make metal sheets

I also feel dwh should be 1/1k if you are on task

and 1/3k off task

xD

[tacit wharf]

ya, no

[round lintel]

why not?

[tacit wharf]

doesnt need to be made even easier to get

fked up in making the new elder maul not req the dwh, to give it the special

[thick beacon]

ppl talking about pre nerf bp when tbow has gained 30max hits since then. reason why tbow been bis for all recent release. its really not that strong

[thick beacon]

they already have light defense to balance it just no point when tbow is always better and bp not being an issue

[tacit wharf]

i mean its also hurts when they dont lean into make a resistance actually being a resistance lately

like frost dragons have the higher def against normal range, yet bowfa does really good damage compared to fire blast/wave

like they get scared to just completely say no, u cant use these styles against a certain mob

[narrow folio]

Bowfas also a lot more expensive than wand setup

And the point of those styles isnt mainly to completely block off something

Options are good

[meager flame]

i just personally want them to address items directly

instead of like

hehe we made this new range quiver but only xyz effect works with this weapon but not that one because it might get too strong hehe who knows what our items will do depending on what you equip

[round lintel]

Jagex: "We are fine buffing tbow with +10 accuracy and 1 damage from quiver but bowfa would be too op if quiver works on it, eventhough tbow gets 2 max hits and bowfa none"

[narrow folio]

10 accuracy and 1 damage is too much from a hard wave based content but anyway lets release a purchasable item that gives everything 3 strength

[hard axle]

Fine fine, we need darts harder

[round lintel]

Fine fine add a blessing that gives 5% accuracy and damage to all crystal weapons

so blade becomes relevant

[hard axle]

Ever since we switched away from incremental increases, stuff like Rafa blessings 4 should be str bonus and big prayer bonus

[round lintel]

Masori should work as an arma item in gwd and torva as bandos and zaros

just like the staff of light works as sara and zammy item at the same time

[thick beacon]

the thing that bothers me is its not even consistent. ye quiver buffs bp to much also lets release threads/masori

[merry verge]

that is kind of a cool idea, but I would rather have this kind of huge buff for crystal equipment and weapons be a bit more restrictive.

For something like that to be balanced, I think it should be occupying some gear slot that adds more switches and does not work with magic as well. Maybe a set of hybrid (range/mage) Crystal Gloves?

[hard axle]

I’m not kidding when I say Rafa should be +10 prayer if no offensive

would love that ngl

[ember token]

ghommal's penny buff too thanks

[round lintel]

I once made a reddit post about letting enh crystal to make a crystal staff and gap between sang and shadow

i got downvoted by everyone saying it was enough to grind 2 enhanced

and now we have ayak

[narrow folio]

New content > piling on to old content thats already fine

[tacit wharf]

im still under the opinion that just because a weapon is BIS (scythe/shadow/tbow) doesnt mean it has to be BIS at everything

[narrow folio]

They arent

[merry verge]

I think crystal has a great niche being hybrid with ranged and magic only. It seperates it from Void for example which is tribrid

[round lintel]

I thought the same like you have a staff in cg

elves magic

like a magical city

but anyways no one thought it was a good idea to have another use to your enhanced

by them sang was second best power staff

no other power staff on the horizon

[narrow folio]

Overloading the content is where I have a problem, not there being a staff in between those

[round lintel]

and 87 slayer + zulrah to me was boring as an iron

[narrow folio]

Would crush a lot of irons mentally

[wispy current]

Just make it so saeldor can be converted to bow any time and vice versa 🤝

[round lintel]

they need a shard sink and its ok

they even improved the charging to corrupt it

which now u dont need the lvl to eventually corrupt it

[reef laurel]

Blade kind of is relevant. It’s niche. If it were op irons would be doomed. As it currently stands it’s just a nice item to get in place of needing permanent whips if you get spooned b4 armor seeds at cg

Make it too much stronger and dhl all of a sudden is ass

And at ToB for example blowpipe is somewhat similar to scythe on the rooms where you wouldn’t use a fang over saeldor

[round lintel]

nox hally is easier to get

and is just as good as blade + avernic

nox hally is better than blade + d defender

[reef laurel]

Yeah but nox is not that good of an item except in niche places where other niche items are already better

It’s also 5tick and has clunky mechanics

[round lintel]

nox hally is good at tob, zulrah (u can get gm time without any megarare or weird mechanics), vard (beats blade until u have avernic defender which makes blade 0.1% better)

[reef laurel]

I mean blade could definitely use a buff it’s just hard to fit it into progression and I don’t think anyone should feel forced into 800 cg let alone 400

[reef laurel]

Not good at ToB

[round lintel]

it is good if you are not melee role

for nylos

even so

u can bring swift blade

doesnt beat sra

but it is good

[reef laurel]

Zulrah yeah that’s an argument to be made and vard I mean a 5tick will always be better because it fits into the axe pattern better

[round lintel]

im at 1k with no enhaced 🙁

Last enhanced 464 kc, i quit and dropped everything to my main

I came back to the iron

and welp

here i am

almost 1k kc later

I only really need it for levi

i can do cox without it

[austere mulch]

Nox is not good at tob for reasons including and excluding raw dps numbers

Maiden = bp
Bloat = tent or blade is usually better in practice because you’re fixed to a number of attack ticks per down and by using a slower weapon, you more often find yourself missing available hits
Nylo = tent/blade is better (Nox is 5t, so the comparison is 2 tent + bp vs nox)
Sote = nox is good if you have full oathplate, otherwise use fang
Xarp = bp
Verz p2 = nox saves, best case, around 2 ticks per nox compared to tent/blade (less as you have more scythes in the raid) assuming you play perfectly. Problem is, you cannot deal with all crab spawns using Boak with nox like you can with tent/blade, so by default, you’re already losing >2 ticks (likely a full hit or more) on crabs by comparison
Verz p3 = good for webs and nados because of the 5t cycles

TLDR if you don’t have full oathplate, tent/blade + fang is your best option. If you do, tent/blade + nox is your best option

[round lintel]

Something being "good at" is not the same as "better than" I said nox is good as is easier to get than blade so if u dont have blade u can multi use nox and not feeling the need to go for blade as in most places nox beats blade with avernic on. Now tob has a variety on options for you to go with, like I did 10 hrs of lms for swift blade just for nylos but u can bring a whip like u said but in the end contribution at tob is less punishing than other raids in really you go for enjoyment not to sweat on the raid on an iron with worse gear than your friends.

many times people with 3 deaths get a scythe purple when u 0 deaths

[dire mango]

bad rng you shoud've spent a couple hours at naguas for sulphur blades to save more time both in and out of the raid

[round lintel]

I did tob on my iron around this time last year maybe Jan this year only content i tried from varlamore was quiver and hated moons, i did kill 1200 naguas and didnt get sulphur blades so i gave up

Did get unlucky

[icy relic]

3 pets zam

[dire mango]

you're not even on rate for a scy in your name. far from unlucky

[round lintel]

Lol why am i always misinterpreted? I didnt mean unlucky for a scythe

look at my kc and how many purps

[frail bough]

cause people don't know how to use context when reading

[round lintel]

like purp 1/50 for me in the pic but i did mostly trios and 4 men

which should have been 1/28 - 1/36

[icy relic]

one day

[dire mango]

posts log with no context other than "did get unlucky". Silly me for assuming he spoke about the one relevant item he still hasn't got ye.

[frail bough]

the log was context bruh

i know you know he's been talking in here for a while, i think its fair to make the assumption he's not a total idiot lol

dont be so obtuse

[round lintel]

almost a total one but thx for not saying a total...

[frail bough]

lol

[dire mango]

Nah that assumption is way off base. Plenty of people chat here regularly and have awful opinions about the game. And in general horrible math knowledge.

[frail bough]

surely

[dire mango]

Assume stupidity until proven otherwise.

[round lintel]

Yeah close but not quite there anymore

I didnt realize now it shows every boss kc

so pretty much i have no bosses i havent killed on my main

[tender peak]

Only 5 Obor? smh my head

gotta go get that Giant Club

[round lintel]

😛

[tender peak]

it's BiS for cool factor

so long as you think dead tree branches are cool

[pliant shard]

I posted this in the threads for update ideas but I really like the idea of using crates to store resources in from the unique islands rather than building a bank at each one. I get that it’s a gold sink or whatever for the magic stones but it would be super cool to be able to pack my cargo with logs, ore etc from my adventures just like the crates of fish

[round lintel]

the only island that has a bank and you can really get something useful is the sunbleak island

maybe deefin point dungeon where the bank chest is next to the runite ore

[pliant shard]

Seee that’s why I think being able to pack crates with one type of items would be cool

[narrow folio]

like the fish ones

[pliant shard]

Yea exactly!

That way it’s still a finite amount for the cargo hold

[icy relic]

They should do ore crates

But take 2 cargo slots for 1 ore

So you can hold max 120 on your ship but it's better than zilch

[pliant shard]

Oh yea I’m sure there’s a way to balance it

[round lintel]

Guys, I have talked to Oziach but my rng is still bad

what's yall secret to improve rng to streamer lvl?

[noble crow]

Hoping so bad Jagex is cooking with todays update. Still waiting to do Sailing combat/ trawling lol

[round lintel]

arent they on vacations already?

[noble crow]

Mine starts this Friday. But hey, if they are, well deserved. Hope they enjoy it

[hasty shard]

inb4 no update today

[dire mango]

Don't hope for too much. Would be silly to release a big update with a risk of it going wrong and having to fix things during christmas or leave it in a bad state over the holidays.

[noble crow]

Yeah idk. Maybe i expect too much. I just feel like we haven't really seen any big changes yet. And it has been 4 weeks. With other releases we got pretty big stuff within 1 -2 weeks. Now we just have safespot removal and a salvaging nerf then fix.

Don't think we need that big of an update for meaningful changes. Then a big update can come much later if they want to

I think they do prefer to do 1 big update though

[hasty shard]

jmods dont need christmas eve

[noble crow]

I think if they just did the following today, Sailing would already be in a much better spot:

• Make both cannons have 360 degree firing angels.
• Refund items when removing a ship facility.
• Loot crates for port tasks/ combat tasks. Gives some dragon nails/ sheets.
• Balance some drop rate numbers around. Mainly for dragon cannon barrel.

Can even just be a temporary thing until there's a bigger update. Like a real menu to swap facilities around and reworking the combat

[hasty shard]

imo they should reduce cannon firing angle but double their damage

[noble crow]

That'd just make it worth to build a single one though

[hasty shard]

you could attack two things at once

[restive siren]

thank you jagex

(that took too long to fix)

[scarlet willow]

Please could you clarify when handing in several port tasks at once, whether each task hand-in rolls independently for the soup pet? This is relevant for people doing Pandemonium/Port Sarim tasks for the pet, which typically come in pairs or triplets. Thank you!

[dire mango]

With the helm change does this make rune helms two clicks for crystals and dragon one click? Or is it two for both rune and dragon?

[frozen lion]

Nothing regarding lack of STASH on Brittle Isle??

[gritty sage]

Container consistency change W update

[frozen lion]

Yet still no option to unload fast equipped Forestry basket / Fish sack barrel

Which is asked for for ages

[gritty sage]

Having looting bag button also empty containers would be a very welcome change

[frozen lion]

True

[still sundial]

for stony basalt, why not give us both destinations in the portal nexus? Yanille/Watchtower and Varrock/GE teleports already add two entries

[frozen lion]

A lot of people would use equipped Forestry basket with loaded Woodcutting cape but it makes unloading so bad that Basket simply stays in inventory and Woodcutting cape is equipped..

Makes loading woodcutting cape pretty much useless design

[ancient ember]

I'll make sure to pass this on to the team

[ancient ember]

Just got it confirmed that two clicks for Rune, one click for Dragon 🙂

[frozen lion]

That sounds nice to have dragon keel now a bit more

[umbral coral]

are we back

[candid canyon]

Still no update to add pet drop rate from sorting salvage???

[restive siren]

omg1!!1!

[dense magnet]

Didn't fix the issue with open storage devices not auto storing herbs, gems, and seeds while sorting salvage🥲

[reef laurel]

is anything going to be done with ship combat or drop rates? it still feel likes grinding any boat upgrades is a long and tedious task that is only meant to be done or acquired if you plan on going beyond 99 sailing

[restive siren]

there will probably be questions about it in the survey

[elfin glade]

Speaking of Patchy, one of the Treasure Trail items he can sew together, the [[hat eyepatch]] (pirate hat from hard clues + right eye patch) CAN'T be stored in the POH treasure chest, even though everything else Patchy sews up can be.

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Hat_eyepatch

[jagged dawn]

Is this where we post bugs? Or ask questions about them. The gotr barrier is blocked after a game started on the official world

Nvm it was the first game and didnt have a minimum of 100 people in yet

[sour crescent]

With the new foods from sailing, can Bounty Hunter supply crates be updated to allow for more variety, please?

I am currently using bluefin as my main food while pking, but once I have to open a crate, it's just anglers or mantas. This would be a really nice thing for BH!

[odd ravine]

@ancient ember can you please help clarify? would like to know too haha

[ancient ember]

I've passed this on to the team for discussion