game-update

[obsidian venture]

You have to be blind and handless to die so much

[small anvil]

But also I think the design is fundamentally not great

[ionic tartan]

"Prey" implies way too much "helplessness". It's insane how much easier escaping (ending PvP encounters) are nowadays.

[obsidian venture]

The design COULD be worked on yes

[minor whale]

Please don't attack me for free money I just want to attack this mob that does 0 damage and drops infinite resources for free money 😭

[small anvil]

Pumping the rewards more isn't the way to fix the wildy

[obsidian venture]

LMAO

[small anvil]

The wildy is too big

[marsh oxide]

it's just a game terminology lol, it means they're not interested in ganking other players

[small anvil]

Across too many worlds

[marsh oxide]

its not that deep lol

[obsidian venture]

Right but you can escape in a lot of ways

You’re not that defenseless

[small anvil]

I just go pvm in rags and accept death cuz it's easier for me

[ionic tartan]

Why not just PvMer? Why "prey" when you can fight back with even less risk than the "predator"?

[small anvil]

It's guaranteed profit

[obsidian venture]

People sleep on anti pking 🥱

[sharp cave]

Its a wonderful gameplay loop

[ionic tartan]

Like you can't deny the word "prey" or "victim" has more than just some terminology of "not interested in ganking other players"

[minor whale]

Nah people absolutely use the "being prey feels bad" line outside of just terminology. You've had actual literal JMods liken being attacked in the wilderness to sexual assault. It's an absurd take where people try to moralize about being in a PVP enabled zone and being attacked by another player lmao

[obsidian venture]

I can bring so much good gear and risk 100k anti pking

[small anvil]

Like the incentive to actually pvp isn't enough for me

[minor whale]

That would require having thumbs and these poor defenseless pvmers just want to attack revs in peace 🙁

[small anvil]

The people who want to fight others who can fight back is spread out

And they can't find each other a lot of the time

[sharp cave]

While are are are it delete rev caves and all its content

[small anvil]

That's the big issue

[obsidian venture]

Even simply hitting back while running does a lot

[small anvil]

They're at ge in pvp worlds or at bh

Rev caves is like the most successful wildy content rn

[minor whale]

Sure, if we delete every bit of farmable content that's in the wilderness and don't put them back into the main game in any form I'd be down for opt-in PVP
It's not like any of the demi bosses have mechanics worth their loot lmao

[small anvil]

Cuz that's where people actually pvp

[marsh oxide]

100% down for this too

[minor whale]

Pvmers just want to kill their loot pinatas and cry if someone attacks them (also a loot pinata)

[small anvil]

Clans locking down revs was really cool if you look back at it

[obsidian venture]

Crybabies rs tbh

[obsidian venture]

Was fun yes

[minor whale]

But people won't actually vote for removing their bis moneymakers and bone saving and black chins and shit, so instead they'll just cry and ask for PVP to be removed instead

[small anvil]

People struggle to separate rot from the idea of clan pvp in wildy

[obsidian venture]

Yeah people do that with anything really

[marsh oxide]

Genuinely curious though would you vote yes to removing MA2, all hard clues in the wildy, and all demi bosses and just make wildy opt in?

[ionic tartan]

The irony is that Jagex feeding that "prey" narrative has made it harder for PvPers to fight each other in the wildy (gone are the days of small teams and pjing a pker bulling a pvmer).

[marsh oxide]

chaos altar too, wildy slayer, etc...

[minor whale]

If it's one question then sure, if they removed the wilderness and had pvp-only-rewards enabled (like bounty hunter crates but in the wider wilderness)

Can remove all the shit in the wildy

[marsh oxide]

sweet, glad we agree!

[minor whale]

I think wanting the wilderness to not exist is fine, it's how often people want the thing they don't like removed while wanting their own thing to stay

[small anvil]

I feel like shrinking the wildy and moving some content out of it would be the thing to do

Smaller wildy maybe also limit wildy to some number of worlds

[minor whale]

If you want pvp removed you should want all the attractions to the Wildy removed as well, but people want to have their cake and eat it too typically

And not just "removed and moved to somewhere else"

Just straight up deleted

[small anvil]

I'm saying keeping pvp

But make it easier to run into others

[obsidian venture]

Keep in mind that with sailing, they’d want to expand past the wildy volcano

[small anvil]

By making it smaller and upping the concentration of players

[minor whale]

Yeah I think the wilderness in its current form is extremely large for very little content

[small anvil]

I don't think more content helps

It's just geographically so large

[minor whale]

I do clues and shit without degearing and don't run into practically anyone, ever

[small anvil]

It's hard to hit all the hotspots so people just hop

[minor whale]

Everyone is just at chaos altar/bosses/revs

And outside of that it's empty

The empty doesn't need to be 94% of the wildy

[small anvil]

Pvpers need to be able to find other pvpers

Or anyone really

Easier

[minor whale]

Yeah when my clan goes on silly pk trips

We try to find other pkers

It's almost impossible

Unless you just wait at a hotspot for an hour

[obsidian venture]

Hopping sim

[small anvil]

That's why I think shrinking it would be good

[obsidian venture]

I believe they mentioned that yesterday

[small anvil]

And move like idk chaos fanatic out

[obsidian venture]

And that would be good

Would also like more anti bot mechanics

Via diaries or whatever

[small anvil]

I haven't put a ton of thoughts into exactly what a rework of wildy should look like

But ma2 could be moved out and I wouldn't care tbh

[obsidian venture]

You can buy ma2 capes off of Perdu nowadays

After completion

If there was a poll, I doubt people would want something so iconic removed

[small anvil]

Ya I guess

Crazed archeologist and chaos fanatic are so nothing

[obsidian venture]

I think one solution would be to have more safespots

And maybe remove the insta tele

[small anvil]

I saw that mentioned somewhere

Think Draco maybe

[obsidian venture]

That’d also impact the bot farms

[small anvil]

Tb would guarantee really long fights then

[obsidian venture]

Can reduce that per say

[small anvil]

Cuz you could fight til they're close to ferox or equivalent

Then tb

For an extra 2.5 min

Sorta thing

[sharp cave]

Thats because the majority of "pkers" aren't here for the fun of pking and just want gp/h

[obsidian venture]

If there was new safespots and no tele, would be fair to lessen the tb timer

[small anvil]

Pkers mostly do it for fun

[obsidian venture]

I doubt you know many that pk

[small anvil]

The gph sucks vs pvm

[obsidian venture]

It’s more for fun than gp lmao

[obsidian venture]

Not really no

Better than a decent amount of bosses

[small anvil]

I guess low requirements

[sharp cave]

Maybe im just dopamine drained but idk what possible fun u can get from killing easy targets

[obsidian venture]

It depends on if you can 1v1 to some degree

[obsidian venture]

Because you’re able to be in vc with friends and just laugh at shit

[sharp cave]

Besides ofc the power dynamic of running someone's day

[obsidian venture]

Crazy concept I know

It’s the thrill of finding someone whether it’s a pvmer/pvper

[sharp cave]

I find it hard to belive that the solo pkers thay drop in on my bosses are all sitting in discord

[obsidian venture]

Because you can always die

[obsidian venture]

You’d be surprised

Lots of people solo pk in vc with others doing the same or something else

There’s a big social aspect to it

[sharp cave]

I guess it isnt hard to fill a call with the 10 people doing it for fun

[obsidian venture]

I only pk for fun and if I die 10 times that’s ok

[minor whale]

This is just straight up victim mentality
You're there killing a boss or rev with essentially 0 mechanics and you're upset that you have to engage in the single part of the wilderness that presents any sort of risk or slowing down of your gp/hr
People aren't getting off on ruining your day, they're having fun killing a target that can fight back or switch prayers and run and eat, while sometimes making some gp

Grouping up with the boys and hopping around multi bosses is hella fun

[sharp cave]

Idc about the gp/h why would i fuck about eith this shit when i can just do doom or something

[minor whale]

You see some absolutely wild shit like logging on to 45 people all speaking Spanish in a massive clan war

Or people getting smited for their +1

Ok if you're just doing it for pet you're still going for thing that gives dopamine and so are the pkers

[sharp cave]

Yeah praying on the weak

Your dopamine shouldn't be contingent on my despair

[minor whale]

Lol

[sharp cave]

There's not even a comparison to make, as theres no elo

[minor whale]

PvMers have the advantage in nearly every single pk situation

[sharp cave]

So its not like a ranked moba where the sides are evenly matched

[minor whale]

You've got SO many more easy ass ways to not die than pkers have of killing you

Yet you just assume the role of "weak"

[sharp cave]

Ok? Idc about dying and losing 50k rags

[hard axle]

anti-pk > pvmer > skulled pker

[obsidian venture]

Because one’s strictly for fun and the other is for gp (doom)

[sharp cave]

Like who cares about losing 50k risk, the thr constant pestering every couple kills the just builds perpetual frustration

[obsidian venture]

One is predictable whereas the other isn’t

[sharp cave]

It pure and simple is not fun

[hard axle]

So many people “want Wildy removed”, but want the perks to remain and it’s just dumb af when 99% of content in wildy is only justified by risk

[obsidian venture]

Wildy for me is fun because it’s never consistent

[minor whale]

???
You don't care about dying and losing gp, you don't care that you're not actually the weaker side in an arrangement, you don't care about making gp, and you don't like that other people are having fun
You just want to get your little boss pets without someone forcing you to actually use your brain and thumbs during a boss fight?

[sharp cave]

Nah we can gut the wildy bosses drops and make the unique rarer then take them out of the wildy

I'd be over the moon

[marsh oxide]

This is a big thing that I don't think they will ever acknowledge. Like there could be a alt f4 macro that instantly logs you out and takes you out of the game to escape situations 100% of the time and I would still feel the exact same way

[obsidian venture]

Tbh a lot of players don’t have thumbs to begin with

So kinda makes sense

Have you seen this playerbase?

[hard axle]

This is never mentioned by those folks until I or someone else who isn’t as braindead brings it up

That’s the issue

[minor whale]

Yeah lol it's always after a big diatribe about removing pking that then concessions are made because the idea is ridiculous that it's ever brought up

[obsidian venture]

The fun part is subjective. You can dislike being pked, as I also do, but you can lower the chance of dying by a lot

[hard axle]

It’s like folks that bring up dry protection but them get REALLY mad when you suggest offsetting it with spoon protection, like DT2 rings or Muspah Shards.

[minor whale]

Yup

[marsh oxide]

Yep, it is subjective! I don't have fun with it, hence I want it removed and will vote to get rid of it 🙂 kinda the point of ap olling system

[sharp cave]

I wouldn't be opposed to some form of extreme bad luck protection

[obsidian venture]

Like getting pked is never fun I agree. But you can mitigate it and not feed into the toxic culture. If I plank while pvming, I’m annoyed but I drop a gf. This leads to folks either offing me sometimes

[sharp cave]

Like 10x over rate

At that point if the log isnt filled it should give you a boost till the log is filled

[hard axle]

Okay, no spooning until 3x either

[obsidian venture]

I wouldn’t as that’s lame in an rng game

Grind or delete account tbh

[minor whale]

Bad luck protection already exists (it's called playing a main)

Just buy it lmao

[hard axle]

Polling system is Jagex’s way to “officiate” what they want, not necessarily what the playerbase wants

[sharp cave]

It would still be rng, i wouldn't guarantee a drop

End of the day its an ironman issue

They should probably remove the last number of thr fraction when it alerts for a clog to soft remove the mentality that its even completable

[hard axle]

If Jagex never polls something players desperately want, polling system and 200 surveys ain’t gonna change that

Like goblins dropping a tbow at a 1/30m rate

[marsh oxide]

i usually like to make my opinions known in public forums such as the osrs discord that I would support and enjoy the wildy being removed 🙂

and they can act on that!

[obsidian venture]

That’s fine

I shall enjoy pking people in your honor

[hard axle]

idk, i think acting on opinions without some balance rationale is silly cuz you can have someone wanting tbow drop rate to 2-3x and be in line with shadow ehp is.

It should have some basis like people asking for soulflame horn to function as proposed and not nerfed on release when it isn’t that strong for the reason it was nerfed.

[slender vapor]

Every time I hear mains crying about irons crying. I remember what their BiS melee looks like and laugh

Wear the clown suit, nerd

[hard axle]

Not the TOO

God, what I would pay Jagex to let us fuse Blorva and Radiant…

Super Mega Melee Armor

On par with Masori for Melee

Fuck man, the dreams

[obsidian venture]

Ngl I like TOO

[hard axle]

The helm makes you look like a bobble head, which is one of my main dislike - seems very disjointed

And doesn’t work when black/red and white + white

[slender vapor]

I do too, but I'm also desensitized to clown suits

Seeing random elite pvmers losing their pants over it was great entertainment though

The hair ripping anger because their bis isn't a perfect set

[obsidian venture]

A good amount still hasn’t copped it

Unlike blorva

Which is interesting

[stuck mauve]

yeah

[hard axle]

OOO looks ugly as shit

They’re both bad

TOO, OOO are WTF are you doing art team

[stuck mauve]

how about OTT

[obsidian venture]

Shoutout to TOT

[hard axle]

Ur getting sent to Wakanda

[stuck mauve]

hehe

[odd stump]

TTT for life

[slender vapor]

The iron special, OTB

[still sundial]

still no Vyrewatch maid poll... what the fuck jagex...

[sacred skiff]

Clearly the players are un-heard

[median wing]

is it possible to make white armor look dope

[sacred skiff]

Like White armor, for fashionscape? Trimmed music cape or Dizana max look nice

[median wing]

i think oathplate is weird

the chest is too short

[sacred skiff]

Or white armor in general, in which case yeah, I think radiant oath looks good, although I could have done without the angry eyebrows on it lol

[median wing]

the legs are too big

yeah the legs have a very unique size

i think that's why they look weird

[hard axle]

Exactly..

[fair comet]

It looks fine with the rest of the equipment on imo

[austere mulch]

complaining works ig

[stuck mauve]

how did you feel when you got them

[austere mulch]

Like I need to find another elite clue source

[jagged marsh]

[[the grumbler]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Phantom_Muspah

[ornate smelt]

im sure this has been asked a bunch so sorry in advance but is jagex aware that loot keys arent being tracked in the loot tracker?

[nocturne solstice]

Are you talking about the loot tracker on the main client or runelite?

[ornate smelt]

well both i think, i noticed the issue on runelite so i tried to open a key on mobile & it didnt track on there either

[sacred skiff]

Finally, gz! What wave did you get them?

[austere mulch]

44, just barely had enough prayer (minimal flicking bc cba) to sneak in one more wave if needed too

[sacred skiff]

Damn lol

[small summit]

does anyone know if the lms worlds are changing back to australian worlds tonight?

[compact flicker]

You don't have to ask everywhere lol

Typically they announce it in #game-news so keep an eye on there

[small summit]

asking everywhere got me an answer

so thanks 😄

[compact flicker]

[pallid stratus]

is anyone else getting Jagex Launcher updates Daily? Very sus that i have to log in every day

two days in row it asks my email and password to log in and update launcher :/

[plain orbit]

Any update today?

[pallid stratus]

i got one yesterday & today for Launcher

[pallid stratus]

game update? no

''This Week's Update
To prepare for the launch of Grid Master on October 15th there will be no game update this week and instead, there will be reboot on Thursday 9th October for the standard changes to the PvP World Rota. Downtime will be minimal, just like a regular game update.''

[weak vector]

Anyone else keep getting server crashing? I'm constantly dcing and getting logged out, and logging back in with missing icons and unable to click etc.

[velvet orchid]

Did we ever get an eta when we will get the gp back from pet insurance?

[pallid stratus]

its in your bank already

[velvet orchid]

Mine is not.

[velvet orchid]

So they already started atleast thats pog

Im gonna be getting a fat refund prob takes longer

[pallid stratus]

im pretty sure they paid that few weeks ago, i think i had close to 30-40m cash pile on iron and it went to 70m? i might be wrong

lemme check update posts

[chrome lantern]

To be clear, it was only reclaims that you purchased with your own gp that got refunded

[velvet orchid]

Yeah i know

[chrome lantern]

If you are thinking you’ll get money for having gotten dupe pets just wanted to clarify you won’t

[velvet orchid]

Joe likes to run away when I plank that girl in ardy been robbing me blind

[sacred skiff]

Oh wow they’re refunded reclaims we bought and then used? I thought it was just reclaims you bought and then didn’t use

That’s nice then, I forget I have a pet before going into Colo or something all the time lol

[chrome lantern]

I’m pretty sure it was only unspent ones but not certain

[velvet orchid]

Originally it was everything you spent on reclaim tokens the only real question was if it would count money spent prior to the system change

Id be disappointed if they changed there mind. I know one guy who lost like 50m in pet reclaims the week prior be pretty troll for him id they changed their mind on that lol

[minor whale]

It was only ever "unused reclaim tokens purchased"

They never said it'd be for all prior reclaims and they'd absolutely not have the data for that

[velvet orchid]

Should be able to

[minor whale]

Pre-paid meaning unused

[velvet orchid]

Which is also concerning

Not wr are

That's depressing asf

Was looking forward to dropping 200m on some bank space lol

[smoky fjord]

surely if you actually spent 200m on pet reclaims you have enough money as is 🤣

[minor whale]

The blog about the update itself explicitly says they've already paid out everyone who had unused, purchased reclaim tokens

[velvet orchid]

Yeah i seen that

[minor whale]

They're done with it on their end, having done what they said from the beginning that they would do

[velvet orchid]

It didnt say that when I checked a week or 2 ago

They changed the wording also

[chrome lantern]

Yeah this is what they said they would be doing

[velvet orchid]

My entire clan ( small clan) took it as we are getting the gp we spent back and 1 guy as I said lost an extra 50m in pets atleast since the blog lol

[chrome lantern]

See that’s just dumb because they said from the very beginning that they weren’t sure if they’d be able to backtrack what people had spent on reclaims

[velvet orchid]

Just let irons use death coffer for bank space and problem will be solved

[chrome lantern]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1257421063218921513

[compact flicker]

Didn't know that was an ongoing topic :o thanks added my 2c

[velvet orchid]

Yeah the only real reason not to implement it is for the irons who alrdy spent gp on bank space but I hate this argument

( I spent 188m would be 388m if I got gp back from pets lol )

[frail bough]

unsure if this is fixable but there should for sure be a "prefer 3rd party"

[compact flicker]

That is a bit odd for sure, as surely most would select such option

While I kind of like it on both, I don't like how some of the "same" plugins differ between the clients

[velvet orchid]

Lmao thats one way to skew results

[bronze kernel]

Players not reading

And also should also be prefer third party

[compact flicker]

Like the clue scroll steps that you get the solution for some puzzles and you don't on the official/mobile

[bronze kernel]

As a 4th option

Official client clue helper does not have the puzzle helper

[compact flicker]

That's what I mean

[bronze kernel]

So you need to do those manually

[compact flicker]

It's cool that it got clue plugins for lots of steps, yet not all that we are used to

[bronze kernel]

(For the love of God, why are there puzzle box clues in the Wilderness too)

[compact flicker]

Why are clues steps in the wilderness we will never know

[still sundial]

wouldn't it make more sense for boss to be easier when skulled?

[nocturne solstice]

Maybe its to find out how many pvmers they can bait into the wildy with it to give pvper more targets 🤔

[compact flicker]

Should be like revs with the amulet for sure, fits the theme better

At the same time: new wilderness boss uniques that will probably be bis in many pvm situations 👎

[still sundial]

there's separate question for rewards that are useful only in wildy, and for rewards that are useful outside of wildy. you can vote accordingly!

[compact flicker]

Ah cool, happy to see them looking into options regarding that problem

[silver wing]

is grid master actually tomorrow?

[minor whale]

No, it's October 15th

Next week

[minor whale]

I think I've seen a few suggestions before thrown out for a boss that priority attacks skulled players in a group setting
So if everyone is unskulled it's normal, if someone begins to pk in the group they are focused more by the boss
Because PvMers need even more help against pkers I guess lmfao

[silver wing]

oooh okay, i misread the message

[sharp cave]

Would be a good change

[minor whale]

Lol

[limber briar]

they fixed it

[hard axle]

Yes, it would make more sense, but the Jagex AI broke

Still waiting for BH to be added to clog, Blorva Kit, Radiant Kit, etc.

[hasty shard]

nah skulling making it harder is how you get updates that reddit wont whine about

[thorny star]

what time do gridmaster reveals typically come out each day?

[torpid delta]

whenever they feel like and if they feel like doing one that day

[merry verge]

I'm a bit confused, what do they actually mean by QoL in this question?

[small anvil]

lol badly written question

i assume its just what do you want new stuff in most

[ember token]

I would guess QoL around that type of content? ex: would you rather see QoL added to solo bosses, or minigames, or gathering skills, etc

[small anvil]

and/or reworks

whats qol for gear tho

thats gonna be either buffing bad things or releasing new things

basically where do you want attention directed

[merry verge]

yeah it looks like they mean to refer to more than just QoL in the sentence below I guess "Please rank these where 1 is the theme you would most like to see addressed and 9 is the theme you would least like to see addressed"

well no actually they do mean QoL as they specify in the question after

I feel like all the options should have examples to clarify what kind of updates they had in mind when making these

[restive storm]

i'm so down bad with how lost jagex is with wilderness updates it makes me sad

[thick beacon]

feel like pvpers dont even know what they want

[restive storm]

i definitely do, but that survey question is legit just backwards thinking to the point that i don't actually even know if they understand what theyre asking anymore

and they also stopped all communication with the pvpers since last year 🙁

[thick beacon]

im not a pvper but i felt that it was decent for pvp commuty in the survey

[restive storm]

idk the "should it be better to do this boss unskulled" is just like, mindblowingly crazy with the lack of understanding what the current problems w/ the wilderness are lol

[thick beacon]

oh wtf lol ye i disagree wth that

[restive storm]

they gotta get whoever cooked that up outta the kitchen immediately

[thick beacon]

thought u were aganst the idea completely of bringing players into wildy more through other incentvies like skillng/pvm

[restive storm]

before the place burns down

oh no i mean thats fine

biggest current problem is no pkers are fighting each other because they dont have to w/ the pj timer

if someone is too good for you just freeze and log out even if you're tbed

which is why the wilderness is just hop simulator these days

[small anvil]

man removing freeze log would make people riot

[restive storm]

im not suggesting they do that

im suggesting removing the pj timer

entirely lol

[small anvil]

ya im just thinking through the implications

if the person's friend can just prevent you from logging

[restive storm]

its so lame seeing everyone running around in like 200m-1b sets

[small anvil]

idk, i've consistently thought the issue was that its just so unlikely to find someone cuz wildy so big

[restive storm]

that isnt the issue at all

[small anvil]

but you make a good point about pj timer meaning pvpers who fight other pvpers

[restive storm]

its that even if you find someone, theyre likely attacking someone already and you cant hit them

[small anvil]

can easily dodge the fight

[restive storm]

yeah idk, i used to have pker v pker fights all the time w/ my friends. Nowadays idk the last pker i actually fought

[small anvil]

as a not pvper its not at all something i've really considered

[restive storm]

yeah, i mean i pked a LOT through covid and stuff

and its just sad how much it died after the pj timer got implemented, so many friends quit

[small anvil]

like the pj timer was there to prevent being passed and just being jumped after you finish a fight right

[restive storm]

i cant keep up with the big dogs, so i pretty much just skull trick pvmers now

[small anvil]

but i guess it allows the communal aspect of pvp to last even in singles

[restive storm]

was better than we got now thats for sure, nowadays its like 100m-1b sets just farming any noobs that step out there lol

or you just farm pvmers as a pker

[small anvil]

yeah, i can see how thats an issue

it used to be pking had the risk of running into a more geared pker

though arguably pvmers these days are fatter targets than people in salad

I've consistently thought that an issue is the lack of density

of pvpers hitting each other

[restive storm]

its mostly cuz they cant

[small anvil]

but the stickiness of the interaction if they do encounter each other is certainly something that would affect things

thanks, this is a new perspective i hadn't at all considered

[restive storm]

yea, as for pvm'ers being fatter targets, its true to some extent. Though most of them require you to be in like a 500-600m set yourself to actually be able to kill if we're talking rev caves

and no problem, been trying to get jagex to talk about pvp a bit more and the root causes of issues, but its definitely like pulling teeth

[small anvil]

what if being skulled gave you a anti-log out mechanic and tp delay

and like getting a kill gets you a idk, 10s window to tp/log

that along with bank keys would basically solve the getting jumped after a fight while also making interactions btw pvpers more sticky i think?

[restive storm]

sounds awful to hop around worlds with lol

[hard axle]

The fact that anti-pker sentiment gets ranked up on reddit and they propose the dumbest shit is wild.

The length of Tele Block's effect needs to be drastically reduced so it becomes possible to outlast the effect. Tele Block's effect should be counted in seconds, not minutes. A 1 minute Tele Block is already a long time to survive, but it's still short enough to feel like I have a chance.

Fucking lmao

I've tanked a full tb easily

at Artio

[restive storm]

bro i dont understand how people cannot tank a 2.5 min tb

[hard axle]

ARTIO

[restive storm]

like your fingers basically have to fall off your hands

[small anvil]

yeah i guess that it doesn't help the density issue

[thick beacon]

2.5mins is easy 5mins is rough though

[small anvil]

but if you made the wildy smaller

[hard axle]

You should NEVER get tb'd at Artio with the mage method in the first place.

[small anvil]

or fewer worlds

along with that effect it might work

dunno

[restive storm]

the good news is you dont have to tank anything! You just freeze someone and log out lol

[obsidian venture]

Handless players wdym

[hard axle]

The Wilderness should have like 10-20 safe zones and then completely shut off teleports.

There's a reason why sub 30 wilderness is bot heaven,.

[restive storm]

theres a reason i have literally 0 sympathy for anyone whining about the wilderness rn, cuz level 53 wildy is as safe as level 1

[hard axle]

And it's the instant tp

[restive storm]

(this excludes multi, but multi sucks)

[hard axle]

This was the case for old rev caves where you were either below the 30 line or 4 steps from it

and new one is absically 70% below 30

its so stupid

Have people who actually understand wilderness and balance dynamics design the wilderness ffs

[restive storm]

and thats not even mentioning the 15 brew, dinny b andys

• d spear + ursine chainmace

[true talon]

This question should be reversed, but only if they make adjustments to the wildy weps or make the bosses killable without the need for the wildy weps.

[small anvil]

rewarding people for not pvping is a weird thing to propose

revs at least incentivises skulling w/ the drop rates

[velvet orchid]

Ive talked full tb several times lmal

Lmao

If you get every over head prayer wrong and bring monkfish thats on you.

[restive storm]

yall jsut tanking these for the love of the game? or were you like veng anti pking lol

[thick beacon]

idk why ppl dont pk with standard more tb is so much better imo

[small anvil]

big disadvantage vs someone with ancients i would imagine

[obsidian venture]

Both tbh

[restive storm]

i mean it depends, you only got a 15s freeze, and if they catch one before you do your tb is literally useless lol

[obsidian venture]

Mostly anti

But it’s not hard

[thick beacon]

oh ye u can log out

[obsidian venture]

And pkers sometimes off you if you keep hitting back

[velvet orchid]

If you pretend to anti pk a lot of pkers won't attack you

Even if you dont actually try to anti pk

[obsidian venture]

Ppl sleep on hitting back

[thick beacon]

if someone tbs me at chaos altar im probaly dead most likely mostly lookng at it from prey perspectve

[velvet orchid]

Hitting back is huge for even tanking a tb

[restive storm]

i mean thats kinda the nature of that content up at chaos altar lol

[small anvil]

bane whats your opinion on what squintz was saying above that freeze log is source of problems that reduces pvp vs pvp interactions

you actually pk

[restive storm]

but even thats easily tankable

[thick beacon]

i can bring freezes but ye u can counter that if they are usng anceints or standards as well

[restive storm]

not if the person trying to escape knows when to freeze lol

you just wait until like 3-4 seconds left on your own freeze, then you freeze them, and homef ree

[velvet orchid]

I mean the people who pk at chaos altar are absolutely terrible( ones that kill people running bones) I think i got away like 70% the time with no food lol

[obsidian venture]

Yeah it is a problem. I’ve lost so many kills because of that and it allows folks risking max to play extra safe. It dulls the encounters a lot when you’re pretty much relying on ko-ing them or hoping your freeze catches them at a spot when they can’t easily log

[small anvil]

squintz was poitning at the pj timer as a source of issues

[obsidian venture]

That also is another issue

[restive storm]

its definitely the source of that issue lol

[small anvil]

i hadnt ever heard anyone pointing to it as a problematic thing so it was kinda eye opening to me

[obsidian venture]

It was a skill set to coordinate folks to hit each other, but with this current implementation you lose more kills than not

[restive storm]

it also is the biggest factor in why pker v pker fights dont happen as often anymore, and pvm'ers are prey now moreoften than they were pre-pj timer

[obsidian venture]

If you have gap it’s cooked. If the wrong person hits someone running from multiple times to singles it’s cooked. If they freeze you and afk behind a tree it’s cooked

It gets really boring so yes we focus on pvmers more as squints said

Tbf I attack anyone as it is on sight if I can hit you

[thick beacon]

i think a big problem in general is theres no pipeline really of ppl becoming pvpers idk how they can do it either seems like this sort of stuff is only way to keep wildy actve imo

[small anvil]

i do think the UI changes are really anti-beginner

[obsidian venture]

In some aspect it’s alright for a newer pker as they can escape more. But as you learn and develop your skill set, it kinda becomes a hindrance

[small anvil]

spellbook specifcially

[restive storm]

this is also caused by the pj timer lol.... I'm still not any good at pvp but i can skull trick safely in my 500m set and have never died doing so. But when I learned to pk i was literally just in a rag pure set, tbing for other friends

who would let me hop on kills sometimes, and other times i learned to tank other teams when we got overwhelmed

[obsidian venture]

Piling folks was fun

[restive storm]

plus atm, most of the pkers out there are generally demons, you're not gonna go out there for your 2nd or 3rd pk trip and ever find someone the same skill set as you are

meaning, you're gonna get splacked by a good pker lol

[small anvil]

I do continue to think that wildy is just too low concentration of people

and jagex has failed at trying to lure people in via rewards

so the better solution is making it smaller or fewer worlds

to up the concentration of people

[restive storm]

adding another boss is only going to attempt the same thing they've tried 100 times and failed at

[small anvil]

yeah, upping the rewards is not the way

[thick beacon]

pvm is kinda the face of the game its just a diffrent era imo

[small anvil]

but thats the only play in their playbook it seems

[restive storm]

sorta, but it isnt like pvp wasnt very active before the update, and now is just like flat out dead lol

back in the pvp discord we'd asked and they said they had data to prove the PJ timer increased activity out there... But after like 4-5 years they never showed us anything meaning it was likely just more bots out there lol

[thick beacon]

ye i hope they improve it for sure but I dont think pvp will ever be crazy active again apart from dmm and whatnot

[obsidian venture]

Speaking of never showing us anything

[restive storm]

yea not until they actually face the real issues they need to, and atm they refuse to even talk about it

[obsidian venture]

Where’s the toa purple stats post patch

@final frigate !

[final frigate]

gotta ask ash or goblin smh

idk if goblin's still hanging around here

[restive storm]

what did they do to my mans

havent seen him since 'Nam

[bronze kernel]

Problem is the content in the Wilderness is a clash of interests

[small anvil]

i think if we want the hunters to hunt each other, you need to give them a reason to hit each other if they see them over easy pvmers

[restive storm]

which is why im confused when i mention removiing the pj timer to be the best way to get pkers to hit each other again, somehow the pvmers end up mad lol

[small anvil]

i think proportionally there's enough pvmers vs pvpers

incentivising people to go via more rewarding pvm content isnt the way

[hard axle]

Yes, it is and I think whatever AI they used to generate questions based on common complaints is having hallucinations.

[hard axle]

dude, most interactions only have 2 chances to KO you

and that's spec weapons

[ember token]

basically the question is asking if you think there should be a wilderness boss that prefers to target skulled players

[hard axle]

everything else is just pure rng and ramboing on/off-prayer hard

[bronze kernel]

We can just rework the Wilderness to be a safe zone and rebalance the content accordingly. And move the money content elsewhere where there is the risk

[hard axle]

You can't rebalance 90% of hte content

[thick beacon]

rs3 went that route idt osrs is that far off honestly

[small anvil]

making pvper vs pvper interactions more sticky and potentially rewarding is definitely a thing they should look at

[hard axle]

Some are just inherently unbalanced without risk of death lmao

[restive storm]

the rev boss already does this, or at least it hits skulled players harder by accident cuz pkers arent wearing rev bracelets

[hard axle]

Chaos Altar would never work. Agility Course would never work. Rev Caves and Zombie Pirates would never work.

[ember token]

hardly a proper boss though, guarantee most players have never killed it or even seen one

[hard axle]

You'd need to nerf it by 99.9999999%

[thick beacon]

honestly those meathods shouldint even exsit even now they are op imo

with the "risk"

[bronze kernel]

Or just have the opt-in feature. With opt-in having more lucative output.

[hard axle]

nah, opt-in is cancer

it just leads to swarms of people

[velvet orchid]

Wear a pneck and tour Gucci

[obsidian venture]

P neck my beloved

[restive storm]

opt in is super lame, at least im pretty sure theyd never consider that route which is good

[hard axle]

and without proper visual indicators of who is opt-in, u basically ahve to click through menus to figure out who ur hitting

[ember token]

opt-in is more realistic than them turning the whole wildy into a safezone

[hard axle]

fuck off with that dumb ass nonsense

[bronze kernel]

Make opt-in permaskull

That also adds and forces risk

[restive storm]

opt-in is just a bad idea period lol

itd never work

[bronze kernel]

Lock things like revs and Chaos Altar behind opt in

[hard axle]

I've died maybe 5 times in 8k wildy kc (NOT multi-callisto elite clue spamming) and people acting like it's hard to survive are

[ember token]

it only works if xp and loot is significantly nerfed when opted out

to the point where its not even worth opting out

[restive storm]

remove uniques as well

[hard axle]

It doesn't and people will still bitch about it

[restive storm]

pretty much anything worth doing would have to be removed

but for little weenie explorers i guess they could already watch a youtube video to explore the wildy

[hard axle]

"oh im locked out, why am i being forced to skull at revs when i previously didnt wahhhhhhhhhh"

[bronze kernel]

If anything, just remove all Wildly clues or something

[small anvil]

lol no

your suggestions are awful

[bronze kernel]

That's the only wildly content I ever interacted with aside from occasionally Chaos Altar and a few mass Wildly Boss trips

[small anvil]

and this is as a person who only goes to wildy in rags

[restive storm]

aint no way people are complaining about wildy clues

thats grazy

[small anvil]

and hasnt put in the work to learn how to run

[hard axle]

At some point, you just have to say stfu and deal with it.

It's like folks whining about nylos being boring and not max hitting everything.

There's more and more content now where you just max hit everything since pre-2017. Should we make everything max hit and just rebalance the game? No lmao.

[restive storm]

who is killin you at mage bank loool

[thick beacon]

if they did remove wildy risk itd be worse for the people that complain about wldy deaths

only reason those ppl go is to abuse op meathods

[merry verge]

This question is also a bit confusing to me. Is it implied here that when it would be harder for skulled players, it would also be more rewarding, or are they just suggesting to punish skulled players for no reason?

[hard axle]

I started seeing folks complain about dps variance and it makes me want to smack someone across the forehead.

"my tbow shouldn't be hitting 1s"

[ember token]

wildy clue steps just ruin the flow of doing clue scrolls by making you degear so you don't risk losing all your untradeable tp items in the wildy

[bronze kernel]

Buff diary gear please Jagex

[hard axle]

again, just fking deal with it

[bronze kernel]

Remove all negative bonuses

[hard axle]

that's my take

[restive storm]

just give us gear loadouts like people have been asking for for 10 years and call it a day imo

[ember token]

I do deal with it

[bronze kernel]

Make more positive bonuses

[hard axle]

not u specifically

but anyone asking for non-wildy clue steps

like christ

[ember token]

that doesn't mean it isn't still annoying

[restive storm]

whining about wildy steps is like crazy to me this day in age

[small anvil]

i think clues should have a bit of friction to them

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[restive storm]

you can tele within like 50 steps of any of them lol

[hard axle]

u know what this reminds me of? mfers complaining about baba when they're in dhide

[thick beacon]

people just never wanted to learn baba in the first place not that u need to anymore

[ember token]

the friction should've been stuff like remembering to bring a rope, or not having shortcuts like in the viyeldi cave, drakan's castle, etc

[small anvil]

well they got rid of that lol

[restive storm]

even if they EVER got rid of wildy steps, then theyd have to compensate w/ like wildy clues or somethin

then people would whine about those too

[bronze kernel]

Wildly only clues from Wildy content with better loot table sounds fine to me

[thick beacon]

"better loot table" probaly like 20x better then non wildy clue

[restive storm]

best jagex can do is make a new boss that 1 hits anybody with a skull

[ember token]

wildy steps going to a new type of wildy clue obtained by doing wilderness content is how I'd do it, an idea I had was making it so wilderness clues are technically endless, you can continue doing wilderness steps in the clue and choose when to cash out with the casket, but you can't teleport out of the wilderness or your progress is reset

world hopping/logging out should also reset progress, and if you get killed, the PKer gets the casket you wouldve gotten if you cashed out

[fair comet]

I think Wilderness Clue Steps are fair game. I even have to go into Rogues Castle with the Ghostspeak Amulet and talk to that guy from the Ghostly Robes quest. And from what I understand, he can be in numerous places that are less hostile.

[restive storm]

wildy clues are all well and fine, but i really want them to address the ACTUAL root issues of the wildy first before just slapping more content in there

[ionic tartan]

Opt-in wildy, and removing rewards reminds me of that guy doubleshine and some others. They fundamentally don't want to engage in the wildy.

[bronze kernel]

Speaking of Rogue's Castle, small QoL on the obelisk. Let "Set destination" also teleport you at the same time. So you don't need to open it up again

[ionic tartan]

So whether you nerf or remove everything wildy related, the conversation is fundamentally not about making the wildy better or having healthier dynamics like more Pker v Pker.

[merry verge]

what kind of troll suggestion is this

[bronze kernel]

And have it remember the last destination

[restive storm]

im being sarcastic, but unironically jagex would implement it in the game cuz the reddit carebears would vote yes

[merry verge]

haha yeah unironically it would pass a poll LOL

[restive storm]

thats the problem with their phrasing of the question on the survey lol

[merry verge]

dude this is some really cool idea, would you mind posting it in #1022203837265756231 ? Brilliant idea for a "minigame" clue hunting in wildy combined with needing to escape/anti-pk to survive for high risk high reward

[velvet orchid]

This is why 1 hour timer is goated

Drop all ur clues b4 you start and do all wildy steps when its the only step you have left

[ember token]

yeah thats what I do to minimize the regearing

[ember token]

i actually didnt think people would be a fan of it so i hadnt posted it but i will now

[restive storm]

beats the wildy content we've gotten in the last several years! (a 1x1 loot dispenser at an existing course, and pirates that got nerfed 3x so nobody does them anymore)

[true talon]

untouchable bot farms

[restive storm]

tbf jagex doesnt care about that, look @ brutal black drags, zulrah, pretty much any pvm in the game lol

[ember token]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1425548697818632354

[vivid ruin]

You only have to set it once. Unless im misunderstanding

[true talon]

I mean they do care, they cracked down massively on RWT and basically removing one of the key honeypots to draw in botting.

If no1 buys gold, there is no demand, if there is no demand, then there is no reason to make bots in mass.

Its how you tackle any issue if you go after the ones driving the demand.

[restive storm]

i mean they said they did that, but they also said the same thing like 3 years ago lol

[true talon]

Ive heard a lot of RWT bans for gold buying has happened and this deterent is having a real impact

Yea but untill now they have not touched gold buyers only sellers

they have cracked down on the buyers now which is having a big impact. i know of a few gold buyer friends who have been permmed as they used to joke about how they could get away with buying gold long as they never sold.

[restive storm]

i mean they also did a bot banwave which dropped avg players online by like 70k lol, so clearly before that they just werent banning them

[true talon]

They were banning them, just you need to understand its a never ending battle.

its just as easy to get them back up an running as it is to ban them

[bronze kernel]

We need to find which demographic RWT the most

And I feel there is definitely a specific one that we all know has the constant need for gold to keep flowing into the account

[vivid ruin]

Jagex keeping a whole country afloat

Who said that

[restive storm]

for a period they were absolutely not lol which is why playercount is down so much from that period, and even with bots back in plenty of places we're still nowhere close

[tight mauve]

this the right spot for suggestions? I think the pharaoh's sceptre shouldn't auto-deposit into the pyramid plunder stash unit when you have the from-worn box checked, unless the unit already has menaphite robes in it

otherwise imma be unchecking that box just to deposit into that unit, then re-checking, as there's no other way to put just the robes in

you can't even drop the sceptre, then pick it back up, since it has no drop option

[compact flicker]

No. Angery noises

[compact flicker]

Suggestions can go here for deeper discussions #1022203837265756231

[tight mauve]

❤️ ty!

[compact flicker]

[true talon]

Lol

[vivid ruin]

Are we getting a big cosmetic cup from gridmasters

[chrome lantern]

Nope

Not a competition per se except the no-lifers going for top hiscores and the reward for first 3 clears

Or what I really mean is just no tiers or trophies

Still has points and hiscores so it inherently has competition

[slender vapor]

"For fun" community events with cherry picked ideas from the aborted zanaris project seems like a really good idea for the company to salvage that trainwreck of a project

That seems to be what gridmaster worked out to be

[copper nimbus]

Any idea when jagex account recovery will be available. The mods have been sending me copy pasted messages in my support tickets about when this will come out

[nocturne solstice]

Are you asking about some kinda new service or do you need help with account recovery and Jagex hasnt given you assistance yet?

[fair comet]

This is the best document that we have available to us at the moment.

[copper nimbus]

jagex told me that my hacked jagex account cannot be returned to me as of right now and to check the news section of their website for when the feature will be available.

They said they locked it and I showed them proof of ownership but i was told there is nothing they can do and to wait for player support changes

There is membership active on the account that I am trying to get paused until i can get the account back, but they have ignored answering that question all together.

Just was hoping someone here maybe had more info on when theyd release account recoveries

[nocturne solstice]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/player-support-roadmap---september-check-in?oldschool=1

I dont see an exact date but this feels like the post they might be referring you to. The roadmap there makes me think they're working on it now and should be one of the next updates since Live Chat was "coming soon" and it's out now.

[copper nimbus]

well thanks for the help, thats kinda what i figured. Just hoping to get my almost 20 year old account back

everything probably gone but at this point just sentimental value

[nocturne solstice]

Fingers crossed

[copper nimbus]

lets hope, but at this point i have my doubts. Takes jmods a week or more to just give me a copy pasted message to my ticket.

They probably arent allowed to do anything by their managers, but its just frustrating that I havent been able to fix this problem

[earnest marsh]

"AI"

[copper nimbus]

naa i spoke with real pmods and the ai chatbot. The chatbot actually was so terrible. Jmods were understanding but I think they arent allowed to do anything for hijacked accounts

[meager flame]

i think what it really is

and this is what they should be using it for

they're going to probably take community events like gridmaster that require some work that can then be turned into a normal content update without too much additional effort

like the gridmaster to bingo pipeline

based on the yearly survey asking about region locks

you might see them do something like a future league is chunk locked and then they release an official chunk mode or something like that after

so they're double dipping on their work more or less

[chrome lantern]

I just really hope we don't do more region-locked leagues despite what they've said in the past

[meager flame]

did you do the new yearly survey

they're basically asking how to make area locking fun and suggesting several options

[nocturne solstice]

I think they said in the past that they'll build up from previous leagues instead of a new gimmick every time. The survey did mention new starting points for region locking though.

[meager flame]

the problem with the new starting areas is that i honestly think

there are pretty much just 3 alternatives

the rest of the areas would honestly suck as a starter area

its basically kourend kandarin and varlamore that would work well

[nocturne solstice]

We currently get 2 for free (Misthalin and Karamja) so if we get to pick our 2 free starting ones I think that'll open the door a lot more for viability.

[meager flame]

honestly now that they said it in their survey i'd rather they just do something crazy like try out chunk locking

its a league so you've gotta assume they would make unlocking additional chunks somewhat fast

[restive storm]

oh god man reddit is discussing the wilderness again someone hold me back pls

[chrome lantern]

Not yet but I saw it

[meager flame]

i think the biggest league problem though is that honestly

they're just not different enough

you see it happening right now with gridmaster

more updates getting revealed and it turns out

[chrome lantern]

Yeah it's just repeating the core gimmick with one or two new features and a bit of refinement

[meager flame]

it really is almost all stuff we've already had

[chrome lantern]

Which is the intent tbf

[meager flame]

like how many times can you ask me to kill sire 50 times in a new format

[minor whale]

I think Varlamore is probably a good new starter area tbh

[meager flame]

its not even just the method its the goal that needs to shift some

[minor whale]

It's got a lot of content for all ranges of account

Misthalin has extremely little

[chrome lantern]

I mean that's kinda the logic behind making Misthalin/Karamja free, because who would spend unlocks on them

[minor whale]

But yeah the formula of "do x 50 times" for the 5th time is stale

[meager flame]

im assuming you'd do kandarin varlamore or kourend with a free karamja

[minor whale]

It's still fun don't get me wrong

[meager flame]

if you were trying to run back trailblazer 75

but with a new starter area

[minor whale]

But every league I'm playing less than the last because it's just so repetitive so fast

[chrome lantern]

I had like 1/5th the fun in leagues 4/5 as leagues 2/3

[minor whale]

Also for such a long event as normal leagues, you scale in power way too fast

[meager flame]

and they all have ports to get to karamja

[minor whale]

They need a good balance

Maybe next league will be better with sailing having a shitload of content

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I see people saying they had all megas in 2 weeks and didn't really care

[meager flame]

i think the length of time for leagues is aimed at the average play time

they're not going to make you play the entire league if you're dropping 16 hour days

[minor whale]

Nah even people who were fairly casual

3 weeks in had all megas and combat relics

[meager flame]

i mean i finished dragon in 2 weeks and had everything

there was absolutely nothing remotely casual about doing that

most people probably never put that many hours into that league

they'd be insane to make it for someone like me and say yeah play for 2 months

dudes would be trapped in lumbridge a month in playing normal hours lol

[winged mantle]

I'm really glad it's just a month long. In the past this has been how long I've had interest in grinding leagues and then after the one month time the fatigue hits

[craggy radish]

12month league when

Jk relax

I've been working full time since just after leagues 3 so longer definitely suits those who can't no life :(

Might have to take off work and no life a week or 2

I'm feelin sick in about a week ;)

Ngl I'm sick of the pick 1 combat style tho

Should be able to buff all styles with griddy, in hopeful

[wintry stratus]

Anyone have any guesses as to the bottom right tile right above the meme tile? row 6 line 7 it says Blood Sweat and Tears

My guess for the completion reward is Diary unlocks because on the other side of the board it lists 5 characters with diaries in the game

[chrome lantern]

Just did the annual survey. It needed way more places to put text responses.

[true talon]

Very werid how many personal questions they ask. but seems fine if they want to know the type of players they have.

[nocturne solstice]

Do you think if pop ends up the majority fav music genre we'll get a pop theme for Venescula in the new vampyre quest? 🤔

[bronze kernel]

How about we make it not just pop

But kawaii desu J Pop

[nocturne solstice]

its what the people want

[icy relic]

That would go hard tbh

[bronze kernel]

Or K pop for the lulz

Vanescula doing K pop dances

Imagine how cursed that would be

[icy relic]

But I vote Victorian dubstep for Vanescula

Cuz why not

[bronze kernel]

Black metal

[nocturne solstice]

I hope you said that was your favourite in the survey then

[bronze kernel]

I personally prefer NWOTHM, melodic death, power, and thrash metal better

[meager flame]

i would be scared of what it would sound like if they tried to do any in game music related to what i listen to lol

[chrome lantern]

The “Other” category for music also didn’t have anywhere to type a response despite saying “Please specify”

[meager flame]

although i guess a lot of it is instrumental so you could probably give it a try but lol i just cant imagine how something like polyphia would sound if you tried to do something similar with osrs instruments in midi

[craggy radish]

Bloodstep

[meager flame]

i also kind of agree with this

im a bit tired of like lol

idk if youve ever noticed how with pvp theres always this like "how do we teach people how it works so they have fun" or "what if there was a tutorial" etc and im just sitting here like

what if i know exactly how it works for the most part and just think its not fun to begin with

im honestly curious how many people would be filling out one of these surveys that legitimately don't understand how pvp works/have never tried pking or whatever in their entire lives that would need a tutorial

[chrome lantern]

My biggest feedback on the survey:
-More text response options
-More elaboration (tf does “Melee/Mage/Ranged gear QoL” mean if it’s explicitly not rebalancing?)
-More response options than just “I like it” “Very like it” or “Dislike it” (Goes along with text response)

Overall I spent a lot less time on this annual survey than pretty much every blog survey because there just wasn’t anywhere to actually give feedback.

[meager flame]

plus idk what a pvp tutorial would even look like

like

do i have to explain combat to someone in its entirety so they understand it once i teach them about single double or triple eating

[chrome lantern]

I tried to put in some of the bigger #1022203837265756231 posts I’ve been wanting, and also referenced the fact that that entire forum feels useless when there’s absolutely 0 indication of review by Jagex staff or responses 99.9% of the time

[ember token]

i agree this survey was kinda ass compared to past surveys

[meager flame]

or so they get it when i explain how to for example spec instantly on a swap

by wearing a weapon with a spec bar

[chrome lantern]

Oh and also there wasn’t a ton of room for elaboration on plugins either

[meager flame]

like

[chrome lantern]

So I kinda hijacked the box a bit to write stuff and tried to elaborate just how useless the mobile/official minimenu swapping is

[meager flame]

the tutorial for me to really get all of that across would probably be quite long to even get to a place where i could then explain any of the pvp specific things

it would just be super hard i think to really get everything across because in any game where you can pvp

the fact that you're playing against other people is inherently complicated already and when you start adding in complex or obscure game mechanics on top of that

[ember token]

we don't need a pvp tutorial, we just need a good place for players to safely pvp

[meager flame]

it gets super out of control

[ember token]

LMS is filled with bots and PVP Arena is buggy and dead

[meager flame]

thats why most of the most watchable/played/popular pvp games tend to also be at their core very simple games

[chrome lantern]

Yeah idc about a pvp tutorial because I feel like anyone that actually wants to has plenty of resources to learn and anyone that doesn’t want to simply will complain about it being “required” and “baiting them into pvp”

But yeah any sort of feedback whatsoever on #1022203837265756231 would be great, they completely ignore the suggestions in there and stick to Reddit. I will never use Reddit so I guess my opinion in their official Discord forum is useless

There’s been highly-voted posts in there for literal years with zero feedback

Like choosing items lost on death

[ember token]

mod roq used to be more active in the suggestions channel

[chrome lantern]

Even when he was active it wasn’t all that much in there

Like I know that’s not his primary duty or even secondary tbh

[meager flame]

tbh

[chrome lantern]

But still feels completely ignored

[meager flame]

i think they need to engage more in general

i know they hired cms and stuff to do it for them and kinda disappeared

but they really lost most of their community engagement

[ember token]

idk if its because theres been nothing they felt like they needed to post but #1305858575385755678 has been pretty dead too

[chrome lantern]

It feels out of touch to ask for what QoL we want to see, include “gear” as QoL, and then ignore the fact that people have been constantly pitching ideas for the entire duration of this game

[chrome lantern]

True

It also used to feel like Mod Blossom engaged a lot more in this channel too and those blog threads

[meager flame]

i mean its been a slide towards less for a long time

i feel like im honestly beating a dead horse with this one but just go back and watch the weekly QA or if you're really dedicated to find older reddit posts from like

cox era or tob etc

jagex was just way way way way more present in general

[true talon]

Dangerous wildy is full of clienters and scout bots. pvp is so bad due to these things.

[chrome lantern]

I mean I’ll be frank, I answered in the survey that I’m enjoying this game significantly less than I did in the past and I think a large part of that is feeling like updates are moving generally in the wrong direction and that feedback/player input doesn’t matter

Every interface update we’ve gotten has introduced as many problems as good things

[meager flame]

tbh i think their lack of presence is part of why it feels like there is a disconnect

[chrome lantern]

Rebalancing has fallen astronomically short

[meager flame]

by being present and responding to things jagex gets to heavily influence the narrative and they also get a healthy dose of what the players think in the process

[chrome lantern]

Every update is fraught with the “abuse early and often” mentality like removing splinters

[meager flame]

by saying nothing they let things kind of spiral into whatever they will be

[true talon]

I feel updates are fine. I personally would like to see more QOL improved methods of obtaining things, dupe protection or use but this is all ironman bias things lol.

[chrome lantern]

Dupe protection isn’t QoL

[meager flame]

like

[true talon]

Just saying if i have 5 ancestral hats id much rather be making ancestral cloth and sacing it to make the other 2 pieces

[chrome lantern]

If you make content that you feel needs dupe protection that just means you designed the content so poorly that people want to do less of it.

[true talon]

So chambers XD

[chrome lantern]

CoX is notorious for low drop rates so I would say that’s valid but it’s definitely not QoL

[meager flame]

i think their most common answer from the past kind of highlights how different things have become

[chrome lantern]

Chambers is amazing content

[meager flame]

how many times did you hear them say "sure if the players want it"

[chrome lantern]

And in the context of its release the drop rates made a lot of sense

[meager flame]

and now how often do you actually hear something like that

[chrome lantern]

Every poll is a forgone conclusion, why would they say things like that

It shows with how baffled they were at the Wrathmaw negative reception

And they even tried to push it again

[meager flame]

they dont even get the chance since they don't discuss many if any player suggestions

or answer general questions

[chrome lantern]

Because they weren’t sure what to do when players said no

[meager flame]

like ever

[true talon]

TBh Wrathmaw was a good concept, the way they wanted it to be time gated limited space lock downable by clans and then also the time to even get 1 of the unlocks was like 100 years?

[chrome lantern]

I’ve seen a disheartening number of people literally just pull up a poll and blanket vote yes on everything

And it shows

[true talon]

Wrathmaw released as a massive wildy boss that you can take on solo with your own health bar like perilous moons an then other people can be there to kill boss or kill you. woulda been much better concept. you kill it an it digs underground and changes spot. so you go chase it to its next location. this happens at all times and on every world.

[chrome lantern]

Sometimes you get them pausing to say, “Is this PvP? Vote no!” but there’s usually not even that much thought

[meager flame]

i think they should just give it a trial run of like a month where they actually do a weekly QA with no particular topic and just answer and discuss the things their players want to talk to them about

[true talon]

The time gating is why wrathmaw failed

A giant wildy worm boss exists and i played its release. it was a very popular place for long time.

[meager flame]

i think the quality of player suggestions and discussion actually increases when they interact in that way too

[chrome lantern]

Sorry, they only have time to get to the pre-screened questions they want to answer

[true talon]

however it was not time gated

[meager flame]

people probably feel more encouraged to actually say things instead of just shit posting when they know someone is actually going to read it and maybe reply

[true talon]

Also those items wrathmaw was bringing woulda been godly unbroken for pvp

5 tick d bow with max hit increase?

whatever that empowered AGS was lol

[chrome lantern]

It’s okay because who tf was spending years of irl time and hundreds of hours getting two volatile staffs on an iron xd

[true talon]

Concept was cool, but the numbers and what they wanted to do with time gating is why it failed

[meager flame]

tbh the main reason i dont even do pnm is just silent protest at this point

[chrome lantern]

Not that volatile was for PvM

But the dark bow definitely had the stats for PvM usage

[meager flame]

i've been thinking about it because they caved a bit and they did make some improvements but

[true talon]

yea d bow woulda been sick for pvm

[chrome lantern]

Still waiting for 3x rates and 5x orb rates

[meager flame]

idk i still feel like that content has another level it needs to make it to

i'd like to see them really talk about corp too

[chrome lantern]

1/1600 for a specific orb is inane

[meager flame]

same type of game design slightly different problems

[true talon]

next update we get needs to be crush based with inquistor attaching to a new armor set

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I need a 1/170 elixir to make my ely

[true talon]

and scythe needs to lose its crush bonus

[meager flame]

they just need a come to jesus moment where they ask just how many hours is the ceiling for items intended for actual use

[chrome lantern]

Crush has the issues of 2/3 of the best crush being slash weapons, and the set being absurdly long to get, and now also the set relying on the mace so heavily if not scything

[true talon]

Yep

[meager flame]

theres really only so many of those items i can make myself go get

like tbow was crazy but its a tbow so i could do it

a nightmare orb?

come on jagex

[chrome lantern]

Just wait until you see tbow 2

:^)

Oh wait, jk shadow is absurdly easy to get

:p

[true talon]

Shadow also sucks

[meager flame]

tbow 2 will be crafted by using an item on an existing tbow

so its okay

[chrome lantern]

Evergreen

[true talon]

Shadow without supporting mage gear is garbage, missing 9-12% magic damage because i dont got ancestral is so fucking dumb

[meager flame]

ya its the only way to do that update unironically lol

[chrome lantern]

It’s okay everyone and their mother owns an imbued heart too, right?

[meager flame]

they kinda cant kill cox or basically disrespect the amount of effort people put into getting those things

[chrome lantern]

Oh wait

[meager flame]

they're pretty stuck on that one

[true talon]

Ya sat heart gives 8 max hits to shadow

which is more than all supporting gear combined

[chrome lantern]

Anyway back to the original point

Survey was limited and not great

Feedback and suggestions in this discord feel ignored

Votes don’t feel like they matter

General disconnect with Jagex staff

[ember token]

its time to retire the polling system

[narrow folio]

wdym all supporting gear combined

[chrome lantern]

Poor implementation of updates that make it seem like the people working on this game have no idea how it works and don’t actually test anything

[meager flame]

i dont think so lmao

[chrome lantern]

I end my major points

[meager flame]

its kinda more important than ever with a lack of communication both ways

its sort of the last line of defense for if they try to do something really insane

usually gnomonkey or someone will drop a video that enrages enough people before it gets that far

but its probably for the best it remains

[chrome lantern]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention that in spite of these problems, Jagex always seems to cater to the loudest content creators or trash reddit posts

While remaining wholly disconnected from everything else

[true talon]

He has saved a lot of stuff. Voidwaker woulda been trashcanned if not for his videos on it.

He also released a lot of videos with good info on the delve rewards blogs

[icy relic]

Post Yama release as well

[frozen lion]

Any downtime expected?

[nocturne solstice]

no

[thin pawn]

If this update doesn't remove agility, I don't want it.

[raw gale]

do we have a list of the new worlds?

wanna see if theres any new region yet

[keen oyster]

how long will the update be?

[thin pawn]

Apparently it'll be negligible downtime. Should be up fast

[nocturne solstice]

a few seconds probably

[knotty herald]

[rustic idol]

Where gaem

[nocturne solstice]

Its up, just close your client and open it again

[rustic idol]

Already did that no luck

[nocturne solstice]

im already in game so i dunno what to say man

you getting error messages or anything?

[rustic idol]

Failed to log in

[nocturne solstice]

did you try closing the client and the jagex launcher then starting it up again?

[fresh kraken]

Mine says to update. I don't know how to.

[nocturne solstice]

Close the client

start it again via jagex launcher

[fresh kraken]

I restarted my entire computer, it is still not working.

[nocturne solstice]

very strange since runelite should check for updates everytime it opens 🤔

try asking in #1391372405066301550 they might have a better idea

[fresh kraken]

I'm using the Official Client for personal preferences.

[nocturne solstice]

thats fine

[worldly valve]

Turael skipping is broken again apparently

[nocturne solstice]

Time to report that bug

[random pebble]

Yeah also ran into a bug... at blue moon my weapon wasn't frozen in the ice during that phase and I started taking unavoidable damage up to 16s. So maybe hardcore should avoid. Reported it. But weird we're having bugs when this was just supposed to be a pvp world rotation

[restive siren]

They probably did some background stuff too

[frail bough]

Prep for gridmasters

[random pebble]

That makes sense

[noble mural]

:( give back turael

[quaint oar]

I find it funny they rebroke turael skipping and moons when they fixed these exact problems last update lol

[worldly valve]

im guessing the hotfixed problems got reverted

bad merge or wrong branch deployed or some such nonsense

[graceful agate]

the spaghetti strikes again

[frozen lion]

HC players come Perilous moons if ur good

[deft tiger]

Is anybody else having lag on mobile? Was fine before the update

[vivid mural]

Yeah insane fps drop on mobile after update using old renderer

[deft tiger]

Just enabled new renderer, seems to be better

[vivid mural]

Be careful tho with new renderer, my game crashed 2 times now using it

[somber agate]

Almost unplayable on mobile unless zoomed right in

[deft tiger]

Yeah mine literally just crashed

Guess I’ll be bank standing until it’s fixed

[clever adder]

The loot drops, on official Client, now look weird, like somewhat diagonally raised above ground. And enemy hit sounds now sound kinda oversampled and bit wrong.

[nocturne solstice]

You can right click the red report button near the chatbox and select report game bug

[craggy spindle]

@vague viper I imagine Jagex is aware that the last week turreal skipping has been bugged?

It doesn’t skip the task

[vague viper]

we are yeah, the game status page is being updated with things we're aware of

[craggy spindle]

Thank you

[toxic canopy]

moons is bugged after update

eclipse: you dont get teleported into middle so you can run around but you can't damage the clones

and with the ball you cant move

[sacred skiff]

Moons is so cursed every update lol

[toxic canopy]

they said no update this week just pvp worlds change even

so how can anything change l0l

[nocturne solstice]

#game-news message
Moon issue is known and being investigated 👍

[stoic arch]

this grid master update is temporary or will it be forever in the game ?

[nocturne solstice]

temporary, 4 weeks

[idle rapids]

sounds like you could still dmg boss but it would be really annoying

if you use zombie hand emote then try to go a certain way your character will just turn cause it stalls you

[frail nebula]

Why does every single update break moons lol

[chrome lantern]

Bad content

[fickle shore]

Also not sure if this is the appropriate place but npc aggression isn't working the same as it used to. Was bursting in MM2 caves and newly spawned monkeys aren't drawing aggro unless I go like 10 tiles past the aggression area.

[small anvil]

You need to reset aggro

Every 10 minutes

[fathom silo]

On mobile and the frame rate and/or smoothing is off. The only thing that has changed was this mornings update and the app update.
Game is unplayable due to the lag cluncky movement

[frigid heath]

I’ve noticed it’s not too bad if I don’t zoom out much

[minor rune]

100% same problem for me

Only way to stop it for me is zooming in so far it’s still unplayable

[grim river]

because they're making engine updates in prep for sailing
they're not updating game scripts I'd guess

[sly estuary]

Has anyone else noticed the compressed little "ding" sound you hear when clicking the log in button now plays when clicking half the UI buttons?

Was that always a thing and I'm just deaf?

[frail bough]

always been a thing i think

[sly estuary]

I usually play with sound on and on god I don't think I've ever heard it until today

Even in the skill menus

[frail bough]

i usually only play with music on and sfx muted

having it on does feel not like what it was though

like submenu stuff having it doesnt feel normal

[round lintel]

Area sounds for skilling is awful, like u hear 3k different sounds when chopping, mining or fishing, but if u turn it off u wont hear yourself either.

[lyric oracle]

when sailing come out

[tacit wharf]

fall, most likely dates are either nov 19th or 26th

[lyric oracle]

hype

[sly estuary]

Apparently it's not just the menu sounds being weird. Various sounds across the game got messed up, including equipping armor and ice barrage. I wonder what they're changing behind the scenes to cause all these random issues today

[round lintel]

Yesterday I got the acb spec sound when i got a bird nest from woodcutting

[sacred skiff]

That’s actually intentional and is there solely to troll WCers who aren’t paying attention lol

[round lintel]

Nah I like chopping alone, and it was when i got the bird nest

at redwoods

[fathom silo]

Can there be some attention and/or recognition that mobile is screwed after this update?
Great Moons was fixed but the mobile app is unstable and keeps crashing. I am unable to get past the login screen.

[quaint burrow]

I get like 15-20 fps max on mobile (iphone) since the update

[cerulean ermine]

Same

Chats are even broken sometimes for me, not letting me chat in clan chat

[tacit wharf]

hate to be the bearer of bad news but this is not uncommon for pc games that get ported to mobile in general

[cerulean ermine]

Its had no problems for 7 years lmao

[tacit wharf]

that is news to me

have seen quite a few people that had to be redirected to on of the mobile #mobile-known-issues #1334483887451013120 channels in last year alone

[cerulean ermine]

It’s a serious issue, iPhone 14pro overheating while doing the most basic content like redwoods

Zoomed all the way in

[frail bough]

idk i updated and it seems fine, not using apple though so maybe thats part of the issue

[cerulean ermine]

Seems to be only iOS I talked to people with pixel and they said it’s fine

[late crown]

Seen a few Apple people say they are okay and a few android say they have a problem on Reddit

[vestal jetty]

Why so laggy???

Game seems very laggy

On mobile so laggy wtf charging us membership for this shitty lagg

[ember token]

lol

[brittle escarp]

game not playable on mobile since update

[vestal jetty]

Wow

[frail bough]

be sure to update app or maybe uninstall and reinstall

[scenic smelt]

No update available, uninstall and reinstall removed all tiles and interact-switches and fixed nothing btw I wouldn’t

Zooming all the way in fixes it, nice for some skills.

Experimental rendering also fixes the lag, but instead I crash every 60 seconds.

Best update ever

[tacit wharf]

#archived-mobile-help

[sacred aspen]

Is there issues with CA's right now? I just did perfect arraxor 2, didnt get a failed notification and no CA.

[chrome lantern]

Turn on repeat task failures, I think some of the failures flag under Perfect Araxxor 1

[sharp cave]

oh boy nothing i love more than spending 45 minutes to find a world where someone immediately doesnt jump down and interupt my wilderness boss kill!

[obsidian venture]

[twilit oracle]

Jesus brother calm down

[scenic smelt]

no brother we must rise up against the jagex overlords, i demand at least 5 dolla compensation for my struggles

[tacit wharf]

then play it on what it was intented, a pc

[scenic smelt]

i am now, but at work i need mobile lol, im leaving those mobile peasants behind

[chrome lantern]

Did you consider doing work

[true talon]

You think people do work at work XD

[chrome lantern]

I mean I don't even have access to my phone at work

[true talon]

I dont play mobile at work, but i during covid i did a lot of multi-task runescape + work

one thing games have taught me is how to be efficent with my time an multi-task lol

Transitioned really well to working a IT job

[scenic smelt]

i meant on my break and bird runs when i can multi task, the lag really didnt effect me i just wanted to riot

[drifting quiver]

this happens on an intel mac too and the game is pretty much unplayable now

what did they do to change the way the game works within like the last day cause i don't see anything in changelog?

[cyan prism]

Ever since the game update today all my letters and numbers have a red or white highlight behind them, then all of my items if i right click on them are colored in a orangish text, my xp drops arent readable because of the highlight etc, any ideas what i could do to fix this?

[nocturne solstice]

What are you playing on? PC? Runelite? Mobile?

[cyan prism]

pc runelite

ivv checked like colorblind settings etc, i cant figure out whats going on

[nocturne solstice]

Did you install any new plugins recently? Can you send a screenshot of the weird word and number coloring?

[cyan prism]

yeah ill dm you

[nocturne solstice]

Im not seeing anything wrong

[minor whale]

I think you possibly turned on HDR or another post processing thing on your GPU or monitor

[cyan prism]

any idea how i can check that?

its definitely one sided, like my screenshots show stuff normally

if i zoom in and out while in game, it will temporarily fix itself for a tick or 2

terror got me fixed close enough, adjusted ui scaling in gpu to xBR and that let me read chat and xp drops are clear enough to read again

[nocturne solstice]

Gunna say it here incase anyone gets this issue in the future and searches.

It seems like an issue that happens sometimes when you use GPU and Stretched mode. Changing the UI scaling in GPU plugin should fix it, apparently "nearest neighbour" should do it but if it doesnt then try the other options.

[sacred skiff]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Bird_nest yeah it’s literally a thing Jagex put in to occasionally troll people lol

[karmic blaze]

Does anyone know when the Valamore Diaries will come out?

[ember token]

eventually

[round lintel]

Hopefully they make it so you get more splinters when you turn in your quivers with the diaries xd

all that bs they said about doom crashing splinters and now they are back to the same price

they just need to make no rewards on wave 1

[meager flame]

that wont fix it either

[chrome lantern]

Wave 1 is kinda a nothing yeah

[meager flame]

simple fact is that we simply dont use as many splinters as we get in the game period like not even close

so the only thing that was holding the price up was the entire end game community needing to bless their quiver

and it dried up

they're extremely generous when it comes to using them for anything else

like the prayer training method that you'd expect to be sinking them forever

[chrome lantern]

Yeah it’s like 1 splinter per 1200 prayer xp or something

[round lintel]

To be honest Wave 1 bot farm is bad, most of the splinters come from it. Another thing is making Ralos better to main hand use it a 6 tick weapon and is that small? doesnt really make sense