game-update

[mild saddle]

don't think buffing cms is good

[sullen island]

you don't like cm's, we get that

[mild saddle]

i do like cms, cuz i have megas

cms pre megas is awful;

[sullen island]

cm's with ayak bofa lance are just fine

but nobody does it because cm's are terrible pts/hr with that setup

[mild saddle]

and CMs become good pts/hr once you have megas and they become fun

[sullen island]

and nobody would do buffed cm's with that setup because pts/hr would trump the slightly lower scroll rate

[mild saddle]

it's balanced pretty great right now

[sullen island]

if you're doing cms with megas you're trolling

currently

[obsidian venture]

Just run money s10 trio regs

[sullen island]

you should be soloing regs

[mild saddle]

you aren't, solo regs and solo CMs are very close

like 5k pts/hr or something

[obsidian venture]

This is a take

Megas cleave that time

[sullen island]

just using petros logic

[mild saddle]

people way underestimate how good CMs are with megas

they're really competitive

[sullen island]

if something is better pts/hr apparently everything else is trolling

[obsidian venture]

Like you should avging like 30m for solo cms if scuffed

[mild saddle]

no, i'm saying CMs are very close to the meta right now

too close that there's room to buff them

without forcing CMs to be meta for everyone all the time

[sullen island]

with tbow

yes

[obsidian venture]

Tbf if you want actual numbers to argue what’s what, you can ask in wdr

[sullen island]

for the majority of players without it

no

[mild saddle]

with tbow (really shadow) post-buff CMs would be insanely OP

and for anyone else, doing shitty pre-mega raids, they'd still be bis, there's just no room to buff unless you're making tbow like 1% more common

[sullen island]

shadow adds the same amount of power to a cm as it does in a reg

[mild saddle]

the common scroll reduction sugestion moves mountains

[sullen island]

tbow scales with cm

[mild saddle]

that's fair, tbow does scale more

but i do think shadow scales into cms too as the defense tank buster matters more

[sullen island]

in a reg you just shadow everything

in a cm you want to actually tribrid vanguards and range mutta

also nobody is saying to simply buff cm's and leave norms in the dust, i started off saying both need changes

[mild saddle]

all i'm saying is that make CMs clear everything else by a lot sounds like an annoying meta whereas right now you can choose what you like to do and it's all viable

reg solo, baby cms, cms, 3+12s, trio cms, 5 cms are all real conten

if you buff cms, i think you make all the regs not content anymore

they become 300 toa, just learning zones to go up asap

[sullen island]

efficient +12/13/14 blow all of the above out of the water

[mild saddle]

in pts/hr yeah

but they have obvious reasons you can't do them all the time

which is a balancing factor

see toa, team toa is marginally better

but it's not as common as solos

for team content to work, it needs to clear solos by a lot

and time commitment ofc

[sullen island]

I also think teams should be better than solo

[mild saddle]

if you want to buff team cms

i could get behidn that

[sullen island]

I want scrolls to not be 60% of the table in cox

cm or not

that's my basic take

[mild saddle]

yeah idk how to fix that tbf

should be a different color or soemthing

[sullen island]

me either, think if they reduce scroll rates, price of everything else crashes into the dirt

[mild saddle]

not white, not purple, just so you know it's money cool and pet roll cool, but not get hopes up

best solution feels like moving items off

but we tried with claws and that did not go well

[sullen island]

I think if they did that claws poll now it'd pass

[mild saddle]

maybe

[sullen island]

considering theyre dead content

[mild saddle]

well

c'mon lol

dclaws are still awesome

[sullen island]

good for tob but thats about it lol

[mild saddle]

i mean some of the most important content in the game

but yeah i get it

[sullen island]

so is chally and you get that from a store

[mild saddle]

i think claws will be ok

it's not hard for claws to good at content

[meager flame]

tbh i dont really think they're prepared to address the cox table

it seems like it would honestly take steps that are way bigger than the ones they typically will even go for

and honestly

looking at the value of everything and how often people do cox

im not convinced that they should actually do anything

people complain about it a lot but people also keep going back to cox lol so its a bit different than people complaining and nobody playing the content

[hard axle]

I personally don’t like megas existing (bingo biased experience), but that was inevitable when they let you scale to whatever scale you want to imo.

[meager flame]

if they want to look at raid loot and change some stuff

they should probably focus on something that would really matter like changing justi to be something that's worth being in your chest when you complete a raid

its a bit unhinged that they've got a whole set of gear from a raid and its actually just junk

[tacit wharf]

its not junk, what else would the bot and gold farmers wear at rune dragons

[meager flame]

like its one thing if the gear is good but its common so its not worth a lot

[round lintel]

I personally would want Cox like this:

• Remove door from the purples and move it to another content (even the examine option doesnt fit in like the other drops)
• Remove Kodai from the table and move it to another content that fits better (nowadays Kodai is kinda optional due to price vs ROI)
• Make tbow the only megarare (is the only megarare that shares drop rate with other 2 items)

[meager flame]

its really weird when the purple itself just can't be worth anything because its not actually useful

[hard axle]

I’ve said this before

But Justi not working on 80% of recent damage mechanics is why it’s so weak

You could make it Bandos str tier or slightly better, similar to what they did to Dinh’s, but that wouldn’t fix its tank identity.

[meager flame]

tbh i think the reason for that is like 1000% intentional

like if you think about what the game would be like if tanking gear was something we actively wanted and cared about

it would suck

[hard axle]

And you’d also have rework Torva if Jsuti becomes middleground.

[hard axle]

Eh, I think it’s fine if it offered damage reduction as implied

[meager flame]

they'd have to make the tank gear soak the damage to be useful and also make everything do enough unavoidable damage that you valued that

[round lintel]

Give it stab bonuses

[hard axle]

it doesn’t block mage damage

[meager flame]

and then you'd move into the like

[round lintel]

and see how good it becomes with fang

[meager flame]

"i just want to hit hard and do big numbers but instead im stacking defensive bonuses and just kinda watching myself noodle"

if i were them i just wouldn't do defensive gear

the actual gameplay probably isn't coming out of that clean unless you just come up with some way of making defensive stats basically translate directly to doing damage

[round lintel]

idc for the lack of str bonuses on the set but thematically if they give justiciar some stab accuracy it would become relevant

[meager flame]

which is possible but kind of a really convoluted way of doing it

like if they give you some stupid like

1 handed spear that does more damage the higher your defensive bonuses are so you wear it with justi and a shield

i guess that works but lol

thats just creating more content to solve the problems of the other content you created

and they do that a lot so i probably just leaked an update from 2029

[round lintel]

Problem is that Torva is almost as tanky as justi

[mild saddle]

this does make tbow by far the fastest mega in the game right?

i think this majorly tanks tbow price

atm iirc, tbow vs scythe vs shadow is less of gap than it seems

in terms of hours

iirc tbow is ~230 hrs max efficiency raiding or something and shadow i think is like 200(?) maybe less with the changes they made

[mild saddle]

make it bandos str and prossy prayer justi being completely ignored is kinda crazy

[narrow folio]

Give it flat armor

[sacred oracle]

I legitimately love flat armor as a mechanic

It's versatile and fun

[hard axle]

that's what I'm saying

it should've been flat armor for ALL damage

ideally

the way it scales already keeps it fair

mage gets the least damage reduction, if any

because its based on ur bonus defense

which justi is like -63021321

but the fact there's content from 2007 onward that ignores justi's passive is dumb

[true talon]

Could be a good armor to combat heavy chip damage content

Flat armor to allow you to negate chip damage in exchange for dps is a good niche

Such as wearing full justi would reduce like vards chip from 10 to 5 or something.

[vivid ruin]

You're a chat mod now huh?

[sacred oracle]

a mod trainee atm

a baby mod, if you will

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/tuskin-raider-sandpeople-starwars-lets-get-him-gif-14234025660803459291

Jk congrats bud

[hard axle]

it's not just chip damage

the fact that damage reduction doesn't reduce a bulk of damage in the game is ?

whats the point of this armor existing

[mild saddle]

can say that about most of tobs items

sang, rapier, justix3 are all nonsense items

[earnest marsh]

Should made blood vials being able to make super prayer potions

[tawny tide]

Why is Jagex so quiet rn...

[hasty shard]

sang is 100% a meme item currently

unless its like sub 10m rn

24.8m 😭 ???

[minor whale]

Flat armor and negative flat armor is the coolest mechanic they've added
Opens up a lot of levers
Imagine mega dps armor with negative flat armor
Or tank armor with flat armor against specific styles
Mage tank armor with anti mage flat armor

I really hope they iterate on it

Definitely reduces some of the power creep if we add new dps but now everything does 20% more dps against you or some shit

[hasty shard]

i think it should be a little more obvious if something has armour or not

if you just have a different max on everything its a bit of a headache

also why i dont like elemental changes tbh

[tawny tide]

Your name should be white

That is a very white name take

[narrow folio]

At least it's used sparingly

[minor whale]

Tbow has a different max hit on everything too tbf

[hasty shard]

a bit less accessible than moons imo

but yeah

[mild saddle]

i don't think that's a wild take

it's a bit hidden those mechanics

[hasty shard]

like i'd be a bit surprised if most people can name enemies with flat armour currently that aren't nex mages or naguas/moons

[mild saddle]

uhh

tbf

[hasty shard]

runite golems :clueless:

[mild saddle]

damn there's kind of a lot

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Flat_armour

elite black knight has 7 armor

[minor whale]

I don't think in pvm it's "that" big of a deal to have different max hits for different monsters
Gives some good variation in what gear is good

Pvp flat armor should never exist

[mild saddle]

he just means people knowing

it's hard to know

but it's also hard to know if something is weak to crush or stab so meh

[minor whale]

I think that argument falls flat when yeah other bonuses aren't visible either without looking them up for monster examining

[hasty shard]

theres some sensibility to monster stats

then theres mole with like 300 magic

[meager flame]

idk if thats really true though

like

at a super basic level is going slower and doing less dps so that you get hit less often passively

actually interesting gameplay

im kinda leaning towards no

like how do you make tanking in osrs actually fun and a positive gameplay experience

[hasty shard]

people would bitch so much if they actually had to grind out justi or dinhs or ely

i can only really see tank gear being useful in a like, soteg tick eating scenario but forced

think of the cosmetic hit you take after defeating a moons boss but you actually get hit

[true talon]

Is this any different from getting dps gear

Let’s say thwy make harm insane and now you need one

I don’t think subjective feelings of having to go get something. Should limit design.

The way you beat that issue is by making the content that drops the item fun and engaging.

Phosani is pretty good fight, but rewards are piss.

Fighting a boss for 6 mins with hyper focus and 1 mistake = death for 13 bass is not very rewarding and also when you get a unique it’s not worth a lot.

Not to mention orbs are still beyond rare

It’s your mental fortitude to grind being chipped away at by no reward to keep you moving along.

[small anvil]

People complaining about supply drops are silly

Bosses can't all shit out valuable stuff every kill

You gonna say cox loot sucks, I get saltpeter

Phosani had a whole phase removed

The time to complete went down by like 1/3 with that no?

[meager flame]

I think there is just a finite amount of like

[hasty shard]

supply drops can be bad supply drops

[meager flame]

Effort and focus you can ask for

[hasty shard]

phosanis just has normal nightmares which is not balanced for a solo encounter lol

[meager flame]

Like take me grinding the doom for the past week

[small anvil]

Like should it be sharks instead with same amount of healing sure

[hasty shard]

you're meant to share the bass suffering with other people

[small anvil]

But it's whatever

[meager flame]

Its starting to feel pretty heavy because you never really check out at doom

[hasty shard]

nope which is why people bitch about zcb for doom

[meager flame]

Luckily its relatively fast if you go on rate

[small anvil]

I got chili potatoes at sire and it's fine

[meager flame]

Toa has this problem too where you do have to have some level of focus no matter what

But

[small anvil]

If you use the drop you use it, if you don't need it whatever

[meager flame]

You can get trapped in toa for forever

[hasty shard]

like i dont mind supply drops if they're balanced to actually be helpful

its fine at vard

[meager flame]

And its really tough to play through that kind of feeling over time

[hasty shard]

wisp doesnt even need to drop food on the other hand, it should be more prayer doses

[meager flame]

Pnm is kind of one of those bosses

[small anvil]

Pnm and whisp

[hasty shard]

i feeel like duke could use an energy pot but idk after changes

[meager flame]

You have to maintain some level of focus at pnm but the drop table says youre gonna be here forever

So it drains people

[hasty shard]

levi really needs anglers merged into the supply drop why is its droptable so ass 😭

[meager flame]

I actually think that feeling is the most important part of why rates feel good or bad

Its how longer grinds feel shorter based on which boss it is youre doing

I guess it makes sense though the way osrs drops work in general is always mentally testing you

So when bosses require more focus it feels like you're in there longer

[stuck mauve]

how can you feel non physical things

[sacred skiff]

Sad

Happy

Next question

[tawny tide]

Damn bro are you a robot

[obsidian venture]

Only on their good days

[hard axle]

I'm still waiting for Awakened Bosses to be worth repeating

[hard axle]

Ayak should've been Sang imo

rn it's basically just a weapon you get on a baby iron accidentally while getting boosted by geared clannies

But I doubt you'll ever want to use it because it's 3 blood runes per cast

[sacred skiff]

Lmao I always forget how outrageously expensive it is

[chrome lantern]

More expensive than scythe yep

(To use)

[stuck mauve]

yeppers

[hard axle]

Ayak is 1 whole ass demon tear

dumbest balance choice i've seen in a while

[icy relic]

ToB was a different era

Sang and rapier lol

[sacred skiff]

Oh yeah lol I’ve been eatin’ good on my ultra-discount baby Shadow until ToA decides to spoon me

[hard axle]

rapier could've been fang, sang could've been ayak

and more balanced in both regards

[icy relic]

Jagex indexed sang's power into the heal

I think there is a place for that

But saeldor and rapier are unacceptable

[hard axle]

kinda disagree because the heal really isn't that good anywhere else when shadow + ayak exist imo

[icy relic]

The problem has always been the hypocrisy of megarares

[round lintel]

The heal is good but when you take it for example Cox, heal is almost non existent for some reason at olm

[icy relic]

Jagex was trying to be so careful with powercreep, can't let rapier be significantly better than a whip

[round lintel]

in ToA it never heals outside baboons

[icy relic]

And yet they let these monstrosities into the game

[hard axle]

it was a shift in balance methodology

from 2019 onward, when the game really started to blow up

they got way more careless

notice how scythe is and was never super OP?

tbow could be controlled and allow other ranged options to exist

[icy relic]

It's whatever, I just subscribe more to the RS2 philosophy of unlocking power through progressing your account and leveling your skills

And instead we will never have that beyond a certain point because stronger characters means megarares scale out of control

[hasty shard]

let sang passive heal off of manual casts :3c

[icy relic]

Port robes of subjugation

Then make them convert sang healing into damage

[chrome lantern]

I wish we would just never port anything

Still waiting for there to be a port that isn't mediocre or awful

[hasty shard]

true

[chrome lantern]

Actually, I'm not waiting, I just said I hope they just stop porting stuff

[hasty shard]

you WILL get chosen commander and you WILL like it

[chrome lantern]

Already disappointed at the quest ports we've already gotten

It's lazy nostaglia bait at best

Everything about WGS was horrendous other than introducing synapses (which weren't even a ported reward)

TDs were awful on release and still suck

[hasty shard]

guam leaves lol

[sacred oracle]

maybe it works better if you have no rs3 experience

i never played rs3, so wgs was great for me, i really enjoyed it

[chrome lantern]

I don't have RS3 experience either and that's why I can clearly see how awful of a quest it was

[sacred oracle]

especially the music: https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/images/The_Sound_of_Guthix.ogg?f7c37

[chrome lantern]

Entire plot was forced and contrived and we literally would've been better off not starting the quest

[minor whale]

That's half of all quests

[chrome lantern]

Not really at all

[minor whale]

We frequently fuck up and make things worse to advance the plot

[sacred oracle]

damn, that didn't embed it; let's try again

[minor whale]

Sins of the Father we literally get the entirety of the Vyrewatch killed and everyone leaves except you. And we get our super-powered assistant kidnapped. And our other one gets also kidnapped

[chrome lantern]

For one thing it was like very much disappointing that it was the latest of several major quests where literally the entire plot was just "Do everything for the bad guy and stand there as they take the reward"

At least in DT2 it made sense

[minor whale]

We fuck up so massively that by the end of the quest everyone thinks that we've basically handed the win to the Vyres

[sacred oracle]

we aren't even an anti-hero at this point, we're just a menace

i'm into it

[chrome lantern]

There's a significant difference between fighting when you know you can win and a large group of NPCs starting a literally unneeded fight and dying without doing literally anything

[sacred oracle]

i love this track btw, i wish there were some sort of activity we did where this was in the background

[chrome lantern]

Lucien finds you and guess what, you literally just teleport away with 0 issues whatsoever right after the cutscene, there was never any risk

[sacred oracle]

like how you get to have the aldarin music the whole time you're doing mixology

[chrome lantern]

Anyway all in all the WGS quest is pretty bad and TDs are just a significantly worse version of Demonic Gorillas

[minor whale]

Lucien is far more powerful than was expected, and you get directly saved by Hazelmere who then dies with the sacrifice being he used his seed pod on you

[chrome lantern]

How exactly are you directly saved at all

[minor whale]

WORSE version of Demonic Gorillas?

[chrome lantern]

He doesn't use the seed pod on you

That's Path

[chrome lantern]

Yes and it's not even remotely close

[sacred oracle]

interesting take: i think everyone i've ever talked to about tds is amazed how much better they are than demonic gorillas

[chrome lantern]

They're SO BAD

It's just a slow hp sponge

[minor whale]

They're so much better than Demonic Gorillas that's a laughable opinion

[sacred oracle]

they addressed all the pain points and made a strictly better mob

[minor whale]

I've never met anyone who prefers DGs to TDs

[sacred oracle]

with all kinds of little bits of nuance and strats

[minor whale]

Legitimately ever

[chrome lantern]

The punish is a neat mechanic but they're so so so slow

[sacred oracle]

people in deliveritems used to joke that tds have more mechanics than toa

[chrome lantern]

Add on top of that the damage reduction for non demonbane just making them suck doodoo before you get a synapse

I've seen a ton of people complain about TDs idk who y'all are talking to

[sacred oracle]

you're the first tbh

[chrome lantern]

The most common statements I see about TDs are people trying not to fall asleep

[sacred oracle]

guess we just talk to different sorts of people

[small anvil]

Tds are preferable because they're just easy

Demonics are more engaging

Tds are a snooze fest

So like from an engaging content pov demonics are way better

[sacred oracle]

i do like that demonics were recently improved so if you're using bis, you aren't doing a full swap every 1 or 2 attacks

[chrome lantern]

It's kinda the same reason I dislike ZMI tbh, you do activity for like 5 seconds then you sit there for a minute doing nothing

[small anvil]

Tds have a big XP multiplier and punish let's you hit a big numbers

[minor whale]

I've never seen anyone from hlc to noobs just starting out doing either of them say that DGs are better than TDs
DG's are a giant slog

[sacred oracle]

but otherwise, tds are a dramatic improvement

[chrome lantern]

I did gorillas with a 7 way tbow and emberlight and would rather kill 100 gorillas than 10 TDs

[small anvil]

I think demonics are a more fun fight

I don't camp them though

[chrome lantern]

Demonic Gorillas are one of the only slayer enemies I actually like killing lmao

[sacred oracle]

i've greenlogged both, and i found td much, much more fun

different strokes and all that

[chrome lantern]

Like it's not even remotely close

I would legit give TDs a 1/10 and gorillas a 9/10

[hasty shard]

i have killed tds more than gorillas

tds are just afk-ish

[minor whale]

I have a couple thousand kc in both and I'd rather shit in my hands and clap than kill another Demonic Gorilla tbh

[chrome lantern]

They're not AFK though

At all

[hasty shard]

i refuse to believe a single soul does the multi kill mechanic

[chrome lantern]

Just boring

[hasty shard]

as afk as araxxor

[chrome lantern]

Which I wouldn't call afk at all

Also Araxxor is more active than TDs

[hasty shard]

sorry more afk

[chrome lantern]

By a good amount

[hasty shard]

ehh

definitely periods where you are just autoing

[chrome lantern]

I have like 3k+ gorilla kc across accounts and 1.5k TD kc and it's not even remotely close

[hasty shard]

demonics are probably better now

[chrome lantern]

Getting a Greater Demon task at this point is like

I have that task and it stays in storage for 2 months angle

[icy relic]

This is how Guthix dies btw

[chrome lantern]

Because it's just that undesirable

[chrome lantern]

Not in OSRS

[minor whale]

You're welcome to the opinion, I just think it's genuinely terrible

[icy relic]

He's not going to die in OSRS

[chrome lantern]

I would agree that TDs are genuinely terrible

[icy relic]

But it happened

[chrome lantern]

I mean if it didn't happen in OSRS, then it didn't happen

People need to stop taking RS3 and even RS2 things for granted

"We used to have this thing!"

[hasty shard]

ghommal with a bronze scimitar

[chrome lantern]

Is a horribly bad reason to put something in

[hasty shard]

you literally dont need to bring anything up other than ghommal with a bronze scimitar

[icy relic]

Gorillas suck and I blocked black demons after finishing zenytes

[chrome lantern]

I kept doing them until I got green log because it was fun

7 zenytes on my iron

And that was before ballista had any uses

[icy relic]

Jagex changed them anyway because they suck

So it's a moot point

[marble root]

so we aren't getting a refund after all? only the people who used probita as a cash overflow get their money back? they updated the poll 85 changelog to show A few caveats: cats are not included as standard. **Any reclaim tokens you have bought and still have remaining will have been refunded.**

[tawny tide]

I kinda feel this

But I like how chill tds are

[icy relic]

I've had a Zuk task in storage for a few months now

[honest marsh]

bro jagex needs to refund me my cat

the servers dced as I was fighting hellcats

and it passed away

and now I have to go through the hassel of growing another

fuck that shit

[hallow flint]

Anyone know if there is going to be a summer summit this year?

[ember token]

probably not because runefest took the place of the winter summit and was delayed to march

plus the roadmap at runefest goes all the way to early 2026 so I don't think they have much to reveal atm

[meager flame]

they actually already talked about doing another summit sometime at the end of this year

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Summit#cite_note-1

[ember token]

yeah winter summit seems very likely

there we go yeah, kieren confirmed it

[meager flame]

although tbh

i wouldn't be super surprised if that actually gets pushed a couple months into 2026

but i assume they're probably going to want to go on a run about the vampire quest and so on

its just that they still have stuff to release this year

thats a big deal like sailing

so they're probably gonna do something like

release sailing then do a summit

have some stuff we know is coming at that point like maybe some sailing adjustments/dmm to put at the start of the roadmap graphics they'll use

then start filling it in with like big exciting vampire quest new raid and so on

since im assuming they're going to want to try to keep transferring momentum from one big announcement, anticipation then release cycle into another

[ember token]

yeah announce post-sailing launch plans for sailing

[icy relic]

Wonder if they're going to run into issues with PvM reward space soon, like within the next year or so

[meager flame]

probably not honestly

i could see another project rebalance also being in there

but as far as reward space they'll either create a niche or just move up to another tier for whatever items they want to add

[icy relic]

They probably feel like they're adding BiS upgrades a bit too quickly if they're not going to make a farmable boss for vampyrium

[ember token]

there is going to be a farmable boss

it's just not going to be lord drakan

well actually I guess thats not exactly what they said

We'll have more details later this year about what you might find in this inhospitable realm, but for now, we can confirm that we're planning one major piece of content and several smaller ones, covering both skilling and PvM.

im just assuming the major content isn't skilling

[sour kelp]

theyre downgrades at best but im not talking mechanically

theres some interesting things done mechanics wise like tds or the surok fight but consistently story and cutscenes feel like theyve been forgotten

[fathom silo]

Is this the place to suggest improvements?

[ember token]

#1022203837265756231

[upbeat ocean]

Don't know when this update happened, but when did the varrock teleport tab start crashing the game?

[ember token]

probably around the same time your PC started running out of memory

[upbeat ocean]

On mobile

Has over 100gb left

[ember token]

RAM != storage

100 gb of storage isnt helping you run runescape

do you have the new renderer enabled?

[upbeat ocean]

Nope. And have 6 gb left.

Always happens when I'm done doing tree runs.

Does it once then doesn't do it again

[ember token]

can try asking in one of the mobile channels like #archived-mobile-help

[upbeat ocean]

Okay, can do. Thank you Data, that one wasn't even on my list in discord

[ember token]

my guess still is that you're teleporting around loading a bunch of areas and you're just running out of memory so the game crashes

[upbeat ocean]

Ah. That would make sense as I do 7-10 tree patches and hespori when grown

[night wren]

Have you tried to force disable the new renderer on the login screen?

Wrong reply sorry Data

@upbeat ocean

[upbeat ocean]

Can definitely try

[icy relic]

EDs literally are OSRS raids minus ToB

[wooden gale]

Can we buy other leagues rewards with grid master points?

[ember token]

no?

if they wanted us to be able to do that with them, they would just give us league points from grid master

[wooden gale]

Are you sure?

Heard someone saying we can

[ember token]

nowhere did jagex say we can buy league rewards with grid master points

in the blog they've explicitly stated it as a separate thing similar to the leagues rewards shop

future community events will give the same points which you'll be able to use to buy past community event rewards

[wooden gale]

Ok thx

[pastel geyser]

I mean

[ember token]

you know what I mean

[meager flame]

tbh they probably should just use league points for everything imo

i can already see them starting their wow arc where they continue to add different currencies for no reason to each style of event until we just have a bunch of random points building up for various stuff

[rare grotto]

not even close

[upbeat ocean]

Tried and now it's doing it every time I teleport tab to the ge

[night wren]

Not sure what else sorry. Maybe reinstall it or clear cache. I've not experienced it myself, only minor freezes the other day but it started elsewhere

[novel osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/391660812206604289/1416699783212695562/image.png?ex=68c7cbfd&is=68c67a7d&hm=d6f16b09adafd6e37ec6cc90286122eaf8e79b2791d8baad96ae4673949b5d8c&

Was it an oversight to not include Cox/CMs in the grouped pb broadcasts?

[obsidian venture]

Would be odd ye

[jagged marsh]

daemomheim legacy one chunk over?

[finite tapir]

lmao

well it was moreso an idea

[jagged marsh]

I was thinking you'd need minimum reqs

[fleet relic]

wasnt jagex gonna announce the second chance appeal thingy today?

or did mod kevin troll us

[meager flame]

didn't he say next week

aka not exactly on monday

[drifting valley]

Maybe its out already

Is it?

I was only guessing

[fleet relic]

I get this message when i wanna see account status

Oops, something went wrong.

Please try again later

[median wing]

what is the update for wednesday

[tacit wharf]

more than likely qol things

[median wing]

quality of lide?

[tacit wharf]

quality of life, yes

[median wing]

oh that's pretty nice

[tacit wharf]

maybe a few things from polls that have passed

[median wing]

how can I find out about this information

[tacit wharf]

when they post it on wed

[median wing]

what is wed?

[tacit wharf]

wednesday

[median wing]

excellent

thank you

[round lintel]

is there any way to separate an acct from my jagex launcher? like I have 2 accts in the same launcher

[tacit wharf]

dont understand the question, why do u want to remove an account from yr jagex launcher?

[round lintel]

I made an acct i never used

dont like to see it there

[tacit wharf]

i mean can you, yes you have to contact jagex to do it, but why does it matter

[round lintel]

it bothers me

it was supposed to be a gim but my friends never played

so i just wanna get it out of my launcher

[minor whale]

I think they'll just straight up delete the account

They don't typically actually let you un-Jagex-account your accounts

[hard axle]

I don’t think they allow this just because you would be able hijack characters like this

[hard axle]

Yeah, ur getting unJagexed

[round lintel]

well the only progress i made was getting rune rank in leagues

ill think about deleting it

i got all my group death animations and teleports

for nothing xd

[round lintel]

oh i didnt know about this

thx alot

that'll help

[round lintel]

Does anyone know why at redwoods people come and shop next to you when the whole area has empty spots?

you say something but they never reply

near max acct, 2k total accts, 1750s, etc

are they botting? even in 2.2k total worlds?

[hard axle]

Cuz the timers are shared now

so they’re either too lazy to move

Or they have entity hider on

[chrome lantern]

Or both

[round lintel]

nah lets say im there

and they just go straight to where i am

instead of going the empty place

and im not in the front area

[chrome lantern]

Yes that's intentional

If you mean chopping on your tile

[round lintel]

yeah

[chrome lantern]

I hate it too tbh I always hop for an open world

But like he said above

[round lintel]

Like this guy

[chrome lantern]

It's because two people won't change how quickly it depletes (by much)

It just gets annoying because if they click it before you you're going off their timer now, and it also does deplete slightly sooner because it only depletes when someone gets a set of logs.

[round lintel]

or if you have area sounds to afk when its done

then you hear double the sounds

is annoying

but idk why they do it

like in the ss

where i am now is empty

was empty

but he crossed to where i was

look at his pet following him

it was stuck where i was, meaning he went to chop next to me

when you say something they never reply

The other day i reported one and i think it got banned cuz i got an email from jagex saying they took actions

[tacit wharf]

they send these out every thur, if you've reported someone during the week

also people are just lazy, have entity hider on, or just oblivious to the world around them

the number of times ive had people just come in and start killing dark beasts in prif while im killing with a cannon

[analog crow]

Many possibilities.
Entity hider, public off, mobile, ...

When I play on mobile you better believe I'm not using the chat box

[meager flame]

Ya typing anything on mobile is so bad that im shocked they even included the chat box

[warm storm]

you can always hop to get a section of redwoods to yourself if it bothers you

[round lintel]

broder i always look for an empty spot

and they always do the same thing

is annoying

[narrow folio]

I am a farm guild redwood truther

[round lintel]

xd

im just trying to get pet

[meager flame]

Just establish dominance if on mobile

Lmao people might try to argue or get mad or whatever but it doesn't matter its not like youre looking or efficient

[quick sonnet]

it's bad enough when the "news" feed for osrs is supposed to be about osrs and it's actually a game "update" about "buy our plushie merch" or "buy our books" but this has got to stop. It's the osrs game update feed not rs3. Stop using that space as an ad for irrelevant things. Remove it. People don't wanna play rs3 because it's trash, not because "we need more obnoxious ads to encourage players to play".

[tacit wharf]

had no problem at all that they posted that their, its a new feed, and as much as you might not of been keen on the rs3, other osrs players were and gave it a shot

they didnt overload the feed with the rs3 info, but gave it one simple post on the day of release

[kind surge]

yeah you're just complaining just for the sake of it

there's no way you're being upset because of a news feed in the launcher

and they didn't even ping anyone in this discord about it

[tacit wharf]

as for your 2nd point on merch, its merch of course when they add new things, ofc they're goin got post it on their newsfeed, cuz people like to buy merch

[kind surge]

(and it is osrs merch, so "supposed to be about osrs" is again just them complaining for no reason)

[tawny tide]

Quit bitching I'm gonna play rs3 (leagues) just ignore the post lmao

[round lintel]

If I had time Id probably would have played rs3 leagues

In the end it would be a nostalgia of what I remember from it before MTX

[tawny tide]

Ninja edit I will never play regular rs3 (probably)

[round lintel]

With boost rates and xp

[tawny tide]

The plushies are cool too just ignore things you don't like

[chrome lantern]

I'm ngl I've never looked at the Launcher announcements in any form

So idc what they say

[mild saddle]

no reason not to

they're not bots

they just know how to actually afk

[small anvil]

yeah honestly unless it's deserted you want to be on the same tree others are

otherwise you make it so that there's times when neither is up

[slender vapor]

The entire second floor of redwoods is free and available

Just cut some redwoods into shafts

Or burn them i guess

[chrome lantern]

I bank 100% of them

On iron at least

Main they get dropped

[mild saddle]

dropping is way too much apm unless you're coxie-ing

knife > log, alt-tab

[quick sonnet]

you give an inch and they'll take a mile

[worn wedge]

Anyone have any luck with the 2nd appeal system? It seems Jagex is sending out automated responses

No apparently its an auto rejection response 2 hours from them submitting a response. The auto reply are outside of UK working hour times too

[random crow]

It is with great pleasure that I see a post from Jagex getting rid of the gold buyers. I'm happy that after years of warnings they finally upping the anti. Imho they should be treated as harshly as the bots.

[tawny tide]

Hardly anarchic

[ember token]

so brave of you to be the last bastion between us and the jagex launcher's newsfeed showing blog posts that arent strictly game updates

i salute you

[meager flame]

i probably would've done the same thing if i were jagex but

its very predictable that some people wouldn't like it

that is the game that tons of osrs players hate because jagex yeeted all of their progression and time into an mtx infested wasteland of a game so they probably will be a little unreasonable if you even mention it

[ember token]

yeah no surprise some people wouldn't be able to handle the mere suggestion of trying the other game

[stuck mauve]

how do i able the mere suggestion

[sacred skiff]

Only some can able

[ember token]

discord is stealing my words

[quartz anchor]

Cant wait for all the "false RWT ban" posts on reddit in the coming weeks

[tawny tide]

Fuck em

[stark moss]

whoever proposed the idea of audio read for the updates, give that man a raise

[fleet inlet]

its about time they gave strict punishments to the people buying the gold and services. its the best way to reduce botting, no demand, = no supply

im purposely going to laugh react to every (ive been falsely banned for rwt) post i see, since i guarentee they just got caught

i vote for the following aswell, any account that has been flagged as rwt, should have their 1kc quivers and infernals removed

[tawny tide]

Don't want to be falsely accused of RWT? Don't use the GE.

[tacit wharf]

instead for cape/quiver buyers they get their cape/quiver removed and now cant wear anything but a dunce hat for the next 6 months

[fleet inlet]

omg ace, i love it

[tacit wharf]

6 months of in-game time

so they cant just not play the account for 6 months either

[obsidian venture]

[earnest marsh]

dont want to be falsely accused of rwt? dont play osrs

[tawny tide]

Call it bait all you want I will never be accused of RWT as an undoubtedly honest osrs enjoyer.

[tawny tide]

Would only be necessary if iron didn't exist ❤️

[earnest marsh]

i accuse you!

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/son-of-a-bitch-chris-farley-saturday-night-live-god-damn-it-aw-come-one-gif-18069882

[steep shadow]

remove free trade and the wilderness

[tacit wharf]

or or just ffa so u dont have to trade would be rwters

[minor whale]

Yeah irons never rwt

[lost tulip]

only dirty greenhelms

im one of the good ones tho

[obsidian venture]

Neither shall I and I use the ge!

Humble grinder

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-no-patrick-star-patrick-nope-gif-9473600452124631034

[minor whale]

Irons break the rules just as much as mains do
It's the same reason people buy capes or quivers
They want the prestige and to look cool, but don't want to put in effort
So they buy services, buy log-in completions of cas, buy log-in Cox mega scales, etc

[obsidian venture]

Yeah like it’s a pretty bad argument in any case

Lack of understanding basically

[stark moss]

I feel buying anything demerits teh achievement

[obsidian venture]

It does yes but people do so

They either want to expedite the process to get to juicer content or just cosplay like gamers because they genuinely suck

[tawny tide]

Raise your hand if you've bought a dragon warhammer

[obsidian venture]

Got mine off a shaman

[tawny tide]

Are you a bronzeman

Either way proud of you that's cool

[obsidian venture]

No main but I did a lot of cute noob stuff way back

[tawny tide]

You never stopped doing noob things, my friend. But I'm glad you enjoy the game ❤️

[obsidian venture]

Always enjoy it! Hence why I play

But tryna have a main vs iron argument in this case is silly

[tawny tide]

Contraception Vs abstinence argument, really. Both have the same goal in mind which is to not get banned for RWT.

Or get pregnant I guess

[hard axle]

Irons do get banned for rwt though

They act like they don’t, but plenty of them do

[tawny tide]

Sounds made up.

[deep crane]

https://tenor.com/view/cosplay-thor-costume-jack-black-gif-20281551

[obsidian venture]

It isn’t unfortunately but shows that you’re quite new to the game

[tawny tide]

I haven't played the game you play since 2008. So yeah not familiar at all you are right.

[small anvil]

such an ironic statement above

its trading off the GE that leads to RWT accusations

🙃

stick to the GE and dont mass buy random low volume items and you have no shot of being flagged for RWT

irons are more likely to be accused cuz they wealth transfer stuff to mains way more frequently

[tawny tide]

I'm just helping people to understand how to avoid false bans for rwt.

[small anvil]

ya you're just exposing ignorance if you actually believe what you said

¯_(ツ)_/¯

GE is the biggest shield from being flagged for RWT

[tawny tide]

I was talking to someone else anyway. No need to respond to me.

[small anvil]

if you're not doing like market manipulation

[obsidian venture]

If you have and you stand by what you have said, then that’s kinda sad

Clearly doesn’t know the difference

And is ignorant to what account make up the majority of services 🤐

[oblique mesa]

PKers with infernals?

[obsidian venture]

That’s one for sure

[sacred skiff]

It is allowed for me to PK my iron with my alt to turn dupes into cash for splits, right?

It always feels weird but I’m pretty sure it’s fine

[obsidian venture]

Ye

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/lips-are-sealed-not-saying-anything-dont-speak-mums-the-word-hush-hush-gif-22188525

[hard axle]

Yes, people are blowing this out of proportion.

If you want to be safe, don't interact with super low level accounts, stick to using GE for trades, etc.

RWT bans on irons/mains aren't from irons off-loading dupes to their main or splitting out from their main, unless it's a super low level main in F2P

[hard axle]

time to get pissy over this:

https://i.imgur.com/tejlIqF.png

[frail bough]

Nieve is revived!

[ember token]

ive actually seen rs3 players get a little annoyed over it because they're osrs figures

[rare grotto]

if u wanna be safe just dont rwt innit

have a rly hard time believing the avg billybob is going to get hit with a false ban

[junior mortar]

Wonder how swapping be handled RS3 Gp <-> Osrs

[hard axle]

(it wont and will still be ripe with rwt bans)

[sterile dust]

Explain how a streamer like Indica has been able to do 500/1b+ giveaways daily for over a year without any reprocussions from jagex. He uses same lvl 30 account to pay out prizes. He does reroll marbles thru twitch subs/bits, stream loot packs.

Also plays the game on a maxed account. No bans or anything from his gold buying

[summer wagon]

Meanwhile I just got a false RWT for returning a clan mate his torva set last week. Only trade I made on the account in the past 3 months

[hard axle]

Just fyi, there’s a plugin that makes it all the same name on stream, but could be different in game.

If not, you would think a Lv30 accounts would be easily smited without question lol…

[sterile dust]

ive seen him in game, reported him and everyone he traded with. He even amazed its never been banned yet trading out 300m+ worth of items on it every other day.

lIlAMlIRAT thats the rsn. Its like a lvl 37

[hard axle]

Not the 🐀

[tacit wharf]

maybe because it was the only interaction its had in 3 months and u unloaded a few hundred mils in gp

[true talon]

Problem is if hes doing marbles and other type of sub based giveaways, that is agaisnt the rules per the updated TOS to cover RWT guidelines.

They updated the RWT TOS to include subs, give aways, include paid advertising or sponsorships to endorse anything runescape service related in return for real money or gold would fall under RWT

[hard axle]

Ye, I know he’s breaking the rules and that it was updated. I was saying if it was a possibility that he was getting banned repeatedly and using different accounts with name change plugin on RuneLite, but the guy above said it was the same account.

[true talon]

oh right

[hard axle]

[sterile dust]

They need to hire people to do a better job with anti cheating. This guy goes live and does rwt content for an hour + almost every night.

its not rocket science to skim thru twitch

[tacit wharf]

well u should probably be reporting to their email with video evidence then, so they have more info to go off of

[hard axle]

It’s not hard, but also not that simple. Manual bans are also the least effective and most prone to corruption on a cost basis.

The streamer could name change to boaty or someone they don’t like and then get them banned otherwise.

[earnest marsh]

and if they check every manual report

would cost so muhc

[round lintel]

What I was saying at redwoods

[ember token]

if he was chopping the one next to you its justified

if he was chopping the same one as you then you're wrong

[round lintel]

there were 3 empty spots and he started shopping next to me

not in the same i was but the one next to me

then both of them will despawn at some point at the same time

[meager flame]

ngl

thats the kind of stuff where i'll just stand on someone until they leave just because its upsetting them

[sterile dust]

Ive sent tip off 100% proof it just gets overlooked because they are heavily understaffed

or lazy

[round lintel]

at night there are like 5-6 streams running in kick and twitch doing clan hall gamba

and they never get banned or ops down

not surprising they dont do anything to that stream you talked about

[hard axle]

Again, entity hider/login underneath you - it happens, Mobile folks especially.

[hasty shard]

but you can see the other side is cut usually

[hard axle]

Chop at farming guild if it’s such a big issue imo

[small anvil]

just go to 2nd floor and the farther tree

no way redwood is that crowded lol

[hard axle]

Ye, or go to dead worlds

Like Aussie worlds rn

[earnest marsh]

or pvp worlds 😮

[hard axle]

high risk worlds maybe, but def not pvp worlds

[solid briar]

I think we need a personal "stash/bank" where we can transfer items over to other characters on our jagex launcher . Obviously not to our ironmen but between main/alt/pures. They always say that they're fine with funding our alts but I've heard of many people getting banned by trading gold to their own alts. A shared stash of sorts would be amazing for this.

Or a shared tab in the bank with like 20 spaces

What ya'll think?

[tacit wharf]

i think them people be lying, especially if both accounts are on the same jagex launcher

[solid briar]

I've seen people with quashed bans on reddit complaining about it , they cant be lying if the ban was quashed

Idk i just think it would be a good option to definately get rid of any false bans and its a quality of life for us players with many alts

And it would make it easier for jagex to find rwters

[hard axle]

No, it's happened before. Trying to recall a streamer that basically got 1t'd in F2P because of it

[meager flame]

I do think something like this should ultimately happen one day

Maybe not for the reasons you listed but just like

There's no reason you shouldn't be able to send yourself stuff within a jagex account character type permitting

Also it would enable them to allow some other things to work better like what happens when your hc dies

Like maybe you could just send your bank to the stash and have the hc reset instead of needing a whole new account etc

Probably dreaming though that would require jagex coming off of the whole idea that you should have to sub every character individually and to stop being as difficult as possible when it comes to stuff like hc where they probably profit by doing nothing

[summer wagon]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Hoping someone looks into the appeal and sees that it was my clan mate, and it was originally his set in the first place

[round lintel]

whoever mod thought it was a nice idea to make a step where you need to score a skullball goal

i hope his cakes always taste salty instead of sweet

[compact flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/rin-blue-lock-goal-soccer-football-gif-27395208

It's honestly fun as step, not somewhere I'd level agility though

[solid trout]

can we atleast get the patchnotes already? pretty please?

[high shuttle]

eta until update??

[dim gust]

Any ideas what this update is gonna be? 😏

[median wing]

the update: when and what is it?

[dire mango]

Thank you servido

[median wing]

I hope we get answers

we did it

[split sentinel]

Oh, finally that bridge.

[median wing]

they must update the clue detail as well

[dire mural]

when are we getting the 10 rune pouch loadouts and 10 fav fairy rings

[sudden maple]

We want an ETA or a release date for sailing!!! We are approaching autumn/fall and it's been silent radio for a while now with the expected release to be in autumn/fall 2025

[timber drift]

open blog -> ctrl+f 'razmire' -> 0 results

(love the fixable shortcut tho more pls)

although rip telegrab tech

[ancient ember]

We don't have an ETA yet but the Interface Uplift changes are in the works already 🙏

[ancient ember]

I'm not on the Sailing team but you'll hear more on Sailing in the next week or so with the Part 3 blog release, so keep an eye on that ☺️

[timid sedge]

"or so" doing a lot of heavy lifting here

but apprecaite the response!

[heavy ledge]

Lol they just said they’re not on the team, why would they know the exact date?

[timid sedge]

appreciate*

true

[dire mural]

I just want the ui fixes, plz keep sailing out of the game as long as possible 🙂

[timber drift]

bit late for that

[dire mural]

unfortunately

[sudden maple]

i went on the sailing discord to ask that hopefully we have more details

[lament meteor]

Karambwan spot near fairy ring disappeared

[winged mantle]

they do this every update

[knotty herald]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Fishing_spot_(karambwan)#Trivia

[lament meteor]

TIL

Never noticed it before

[winged mantle]

Same with castle wars doors being closed

Lots of cool things not super noticeable

[tawdry acorn]

Anyone elses ground items not showing on mobile?

[void spire]

Yep, they’ve gone

[cerulean pasture]

Yeah is same problem to me

[meager flame]

lmao there are people that actually hop just to be the person to open those doors

[winged mantle]

It's basically the "first"

[ancient ember]

The team is aware and looking into this

[vague light]

these would be amazing!

[timber drift]

emirs arena gate

[mortal imp]

you guys will take more action against gold buyer, when will you guys take action against infernal cape / quiver / blorva / oatplates buyers...I know so many people who did buy theirs and nothing ever happen to them

[true talon]

Nice RWT crackdown. if you want to hit the ones responsible for the most gold being bought/sold its the service runners. they might not be the ones selling the gold, but they are def obtaining botted gold from their customers. all services which include pet alting, ess runners, CA's, ect need to be all be made illegal.

[mortal imp]

people who buys infernal and quiver, needs their items to be removed and temp banned with a warning

[true talon]

Yep they need to crack down more on blorva, radiant, fang kits, quivers, infernal capes

[left wolf]

New update timer to 30 mins not available on RL

[dire mango]

The people buying the gold should be the main focus. Beating around the bush by being lenient against buyers, but not sellers have been tried and tested. The demand for gold will remain as long as the punishment for buying is not severe.

[true talon]

yep you need to hit the demand, not really the supply.

we been telling them for years, you need to hit the demand by being harsher on the whales who buy gold.

[uneven kernel]

does the update being donea at a different time affect imp spawn despawn times?

[true talon]

Also i dont think banning is even that big, but what would really be big is deleting the gold.

if you dont ban the player, they will prob change their ways, esp if they just paid 500 dollars for gold and you just yeeted it out of existence lol.

[dire mango]

You're right, but it's not the root cause of the issue. Log-in services will (hopefully) become less common if the people buying gold are getting banned just because people can't afford it anymore due to not being able to buy gold.

[true talon]

Not even login services anymore, its mostly screen share an powerful remote tools. this isnt 1990 anymore

[mortal imp]

its share screen... i know some people who did it. and nothing ever happened to them

[echo wadi]

Official client and mobile client dont show text over valuable drops right now, is problem on official client and mobile for me

🙁

[winged mantle]

If there are actually consequences to players buying services and mass reports of people receiving bans from service enforcement, you will see a massive positive impact against rwt

[frozen lion]

Will the mobile icon be also visible on friends/clan list? It would be helpful.

[heavy ledge]

I'm p sure, yeah

[winged mantle]

I earnt my corrupted quiver, blorva, fang kit and inferno cape. Was such a great feeling to overcome and learn the content.

People that don't make the effort to learn should not have these items

[echo wadi]

Anyone else have same problem?

🙁

[uneven kernel]

any idea how i can calculate it/ find out exactly when servers restarted?

[true talon]

Deterrent is the best way to uphold rules. and enforcement. if you instill comfort into peoples minds that they will get away with this, they will do it. some people will do it just for the thrill of being able to get away with it. its a very common problem with rule breaking/crimes in general.

[uneven kernel]

try asking in #1334483887451013120 or one of the mobile channels

[echo wadi]

I was sent here by general tho

Oh welp im go there

[restive siren]

Yes other people have also reported it

[echo wadi]

Yeah just noticed

Glad im not alone

[heavy ledge]

They were back up within like a minute or 2 of the update, but they might've put something up on Twitter idk

[dire mango]

This is based on nothing concrete, but i doubt most gold buying/rwt goes toward services. The avg player is not one that looks to high lvl pvm achievements. I'd guess it's more to buy good gear or to be able to do faster skilling to "skip" something they find boring.

[winged mantle]

I know too many that have paid too much for services. Even ba boosting shouldn't be a thing

Corp boosting

Mega scales before nerf

You name it

[frozen lion]

This new bridge makes weird visual

[dire mango]

Although for all we know there might be a "whale situation" as it is with micro transactions in many other games. Where a small minority of people is responsible for buying most of the gold.

[frozen lion]

can't rotate camera until i go further south

[mortal imp]

it was always like that

[winged mantle]

We won't know till many people start "getting falsely banned" for buying services

[mortal imp]

i tried before the update

[frozen lion]

building it should remove crossing on all steps where it doesn't actually cross the bridge

just the tile with reinforced part where character jumps should have cross bridge after building it

[dire mango]

Boosting where you're paying in-game gold for other ppl to help you do content should not be under the same umbrella as where another player plays your account for you.
It's more in line with "emergent gameplay" imo like paying for rc runners.

[uneven kernel]

🙏

[winged mantle]

If thay gold goes to rwt then no it shouldn't be allowed

I get what you're saying tho

There's a fine line and jagex needs to clearly define what is and isn't ok

[dire mango]

Those are separate issues. BA boosting, corp boosting and megascales is not synonymous with RWT.

Some will use the money they get from that to RWT yes, but that does not mean the boosting service itself should be bannable.

[winged mantle]

*Real World trading (RWT) means buying or selling in the real world, for real money or in exchange for anything of value, things that relate to Jagex accounts. This includes:

In-game items
In-game Gold (GP)
Account names

In addition, paying someone to play your account for you is covered by this rule.*

Value is subjective

[restive siren]

If you pay for a Service with Gold, none of that applies

[winged mantle]

Would be interesting if they force all to convert to jagex account and have increased detection to crack down

[dire mango]

A noob buying a torso for 40m from BA-boosters does not fall under that definition.

[winged mantle]

Just running through potential scenarios that could be beneficial to nip this in the butt

If the in game gold never goes into rwt down the line then it's fine

If

[dire mango]

Jagex is nipping it at the bud with focusing on the gold buyers.

Although they could be even harsher on buyers than the newspost suggested imo.

[winged mantle]

I have a feeling they will be

Go full throttle

[true talon]

This is false, because services are the best money in the game. the only thing in this game that requires a drastic amount of gold is services and end game gear. you can get all bis gear for around 10b which would cost not all that much. the other side of the main demand is pking, risk fighting, ect. anywhere you need a drastic amount of gold. also splitting from an ironman on non dupe mega rares if you didnt happen to have a bank roll before raiding, there is no way to split that out quickly.

Gnomonkey even stated that the only people able to afford to do end game content like speed running awakened bosses, is ones who sold services and can bank roll the 15b+ you need for the attempts.

[dire mango]

You do not need service-amounts of gold to do high level speed running lol

[true talon]

if your spending 15b on it, you do lol

[dire mango]

The only content you could need that for is awakened bosses stuff. Which there is a handful of people doing.

[median wing]

what about 5 minute rc rec

[true talon]

Correct but its still a group who sells services in order to fund it. which their customers im sure are not all good samaritans lol

[median wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIe8RCB7BN8

[ionic tartan]

Not just manual servicing of accounts, there's also pet boosting which is easily 5B for some pets.

[true talon]

Thats like saying stakers are just making their billions back when they get cleaned XD

[ruby canopy]

that new bridge is confusing. I can't repair the rest of the bridge because I can't reach it, and I can't jump over to it, because it's not fully repaired

[dire mango]

And that is not neccessarily RWT. It's paying someone in-game gold to help them kill stuff faster.

[true talon]

the gold used is the RWT

[dire mango]

If it is the buyer should be banned, not the boosting service itself.

[true talon]

Its not the person selling the service who is rwting, its the service buyer who has a high probability to be funding their service with rwt botted gold

[median wing]

are u allowed to pay for essence runner with other favors like a cheese platter or a custom drawing

[ionic tartan]

A lot of that money goes to/comes from RWT, or did you think the booster/boostee just uses the money?

[true talon]

the incentive of having services is the reason rwt is existing, because its extremely profitable. those to lazy to do things the services are selling are the demand.

[dire mango]

Not everyone ofc, but many do. Cloggers often use that money to fund alts.

[ruby canopy]

how did you get to repair the other half

[true talon]

its not the service seller who is at fault. its their service that is drawing a large crowd and demand for GP.

[median wing]

u have to go through the experiment cave by opening one of the tombs to the east

[ruby canopy]

ooooooooooooooooooooooh

[ionic tartan]

I guess the point is, there's a ton of RWT connected to services (like account services and pet services).

And I believe when there's massive sums of money being paid (as in a lot of the services), most of that money is part of the RWT system.

[median wing]

nothing wrong with multilogging on 16 accounts and boosting corp

[dire mango]

No, it's the person buying the gold in the first place. There are many non RWT players that pay for torsos, pet boosts, CAs boosts just because they have the money to spend.

[median wing]

that's how the game was meant to be played imo

[true talon]

yes there is, however that stuff shouldnt be allowed. if i want a pet or a torso, i should have to go get it. same for CA's they should be made in a way that you shouldnt have to be forced to pay for it. (tob ones are extreme outliers to this)

[dire mango]

But that is again just treating a symptom, not the root cause. Jagex have gone after sellers for god knows how long. Cracking down harder on the buyers hasn't been done and it's good that it finally will be.

[median wing]

i doubt there is a lot of ppl who buy team ca's and don't buy the logins as well

[true talon]

And you can say oh your not forced to pay for group CA's however even content creators when they do a GM video pay for it, because the time it takes to find someone who is willing to do it with you, is not worth it.

[restive siren]

Its an mmo, getting boosted is part of it if you like it or not. You can never remove boosting for Gold without negatively impacting the very large group of people that just get help from a friend

[median wing]

"oh no I can't do perfect tob but I can totally do perfect doom"

[true talon]

Wrong, this is cope.

[restive siren]

Sure

[gaunt quail]

Rwt just gonna end up going through discord instead of websites as paid subscription services 😉

[restive siren]

Give me an example of an mmo that banned boosting and it worked

[dire mango]

It's an emergent gameplay economy. You are never forced to pay for it. You can choose to pay people to help you get it.

[true talon]

Sorry officer, i was just helping my friend when he asked if i can drive him down to mexico to carry this 100 kilos of cocaine across the border

[dire mango]

it's like essence running

[ionic tartan]

Cracking down on buyers, I agree. It's just that I'd want Jagex to not only look at bots but also cracking on servicers who offload money into RWT or servicees who RWT to pay for it.

[median wing]

is essence running even common anymore?

I totally get it before zeah and gotr

[true talon]

Probably for those who want to max or speed run fast and they got the bank roll for it.

[dire mango]

Yes, you can get 400k rc xp/hr with the new runes iirc

[median wing]

leeching gotr is too nice

oh, the aether runes?

[dire mango]

Yes

[median wing]

that's pretty dope

is that with daeyalt ?

oh I literally linked a video of it haha

[dire mango]

No, just regular essence i think. Odablock did it to max out rc recently i think.

[median wing]

I guess u don't use daeyalt

[true talon]

In order to combat rwt, you need to find what you need vast ammounts of GP to do in this game and no i dont mean a simple 10b to unlock full gear, i mean something that constantly costs extreme amounts of money to do.

1. risk fighting
2. pking
3. services (legal such as pet boosting, ca's, torso and then illegal login services, quivers, infernal capes ect)

[quaint oar]

Daeyalt isn't tradeable iirc so it's normal ess

[meager flame]

services in general should not exist

[dire mango]

they've tried to hit sellers multiple times. it doesn't work.

[meager flame]

jagex and some people in general are just mentally stuck

all they have to do is admit that the only reason people do organized boosting is ultimately for rwt and the casual sellers involved are just cover for the people selling the gp

it just simply shouldn't be allowed

[true talon]

Because sellers use accounts that are disposable, if they get banned, they still got the money in their bank acc an gold is offloaded into the economy, I can tell you right now if they delete someone's GP who purchased it on the spot and dont ban them, the person will not be buying anymore gp. they will learn.

[dire mango]

that's just wrong. Jagex have done this, and it's wayyy to lenient.

[meager flame]

i dont even understand why jagex supports it even in this big impossibly naive world where everyone was simply boosting for gp

[median wing]

just make max cape a requirement to trade

[dire mango]

People try again, hide gold in coffers, buy items etc

[meager flame]

you still ultimately have players paying for prestigious CAs and items

and thats just never a good thing no matter how you want to see it

and that also means they should reexamine their game design where they massively encouraged it

[true talon]

I will say from personal experience in lost ark, although it was false. i was banned for 6 months for rwt when all i did was boost some people an used a method to obtain the gold which is common by selling GEMS at high value on the market, they also removed all of my gold not just the bit i received from the boost. and even put me in negative gold to were i had to pay amazon on their market to get out of negative.

[meager flame]

for example

they should not have 8 man speed CAs where dudes go out and buy teammates

and shit like that

they can come up with something else that is still difficult

[median wing]

I disagree

[dire mango]

Jagex have issues short day-length bans or at most a couple weeks to buyers. They've been nowhere near as strict on buyers as what you describe.

[obsidian venture]

Jagex is ok with stuff such as BA Boosting. Cracking down on actual rwt is fine and folks found doing so should get permed. In regards to the “billions” you need for speeds or whatever, money is too easy to make nowadays and people have a shit ton of gp they’re sitting on. I know plenty of irons that split and just use their main to hold gp

[meager flame]

yeah they shouldn't be though

[true talon]

I didnt say it was jagex did i?

[median wing]

i doubt there is a lot of ppl who buy team ca's and don't also buy the solo ones

[meager flame]

they have an insane clown take when it comes to boosting and they just refuse to accept the reality of what it is

[true talon]

i gave example from the other MMO i used to play on how they were dealing with the rampant bots and rwt.

[obsidian venture]

That’s where we would disagree. I don’t care if folks want to spend gp for eff methods or for times, but I do care if folks do logins or have help doing inspirational content

[true talon]

they just deleted all your gold and put you in negative to were if you wanted to keep using the market, you had to buy gold from the company lol.

[dire mango]

No, but you used it as an example as to why it works. When what you describe is not anywhere close to how lenient jagex is on buyers.

[median wing]

is going to molgoatkirbys discord and posting that u want to join the team really that much more annoying than doing all the gwd kc?

[meager flame]

jagex should simply give people a negative balance for the price of the gold cost in bonds

and if they'd like to play osrs again they can pay hundreds of dollars

lmao

[dire mango]

Or... buy more RWT-gold to buy the bonds to offset the negative balance?

[true talon]

other games do this and it works, people dont RWT after they get put in negative XD

[meager flame]

no i mean a negative balance of real money

if they delete 1b and ban you just put a price of 1b in bonds on your account to log back in

[true talon]

Your account is now locked and will be unable to trade or interact with anyone outside of buying bonds of the ge, you will need to submit 10 bonds in order to re-gain access.

[meager flame]

jagex doesn't care if you buy gold from jagex

[dire mango]

Involving real-money like that makes it susceptible to a lot stricter real-world regulation i would guess. Not worth it.

[true talon]

it doesnt, because under their TOS they have full control of everything. your not entitlted to anything on your acc.

[meager flame]

but seriously boosting/services etc are never ever good

[dire mango]

You can't just say "you owe us $100 because you bought in-game gp"

[true talon]

they can lock your account behind a paywall if they so choose

[meager flame]

some people really think its legit and just for gold but ultimately it wont be

all they're doing is providing cover to make it harder to figure out who out there is selling the gp

and damaging the integrity of the game outright

[true talon]

If you never read a TOS, there is clauses in it that state, you are paying for a license to this product, you do not own this product, you are not entitlted to anything related to this product, all items, accounts, IP of this software belong to jagex.com or whatever their handle is.

[true talon]

they can lol

[median wing]

but what is the point of the discussion

just market guard defending ba boosting?

[dire mango]

If you can find examples of that being done with other subscription based services, games or not, i'd believe you.

[true talon]

If you are deemed to be breaking their rules and going agaisnt their TOS, they have the lawful authority to impose whatever punishment they deem necessary.

[dire mango]

what?

[meager flame]

nah just because its tos doesn't mean its legal

[obsidian venture]

That there’s a stark difference between using your earned gp and rwt for certain services. Unfortunately it falls under one umbrella but they are different

[meager flame]

tos is almost always something that wont hold up in court

[true talon]

It happens in lost ark, you get caught buying gold and verified they delete your gold and put you in negative.

only way out of negative is to use the cash shop

[dire mango]

But are you unable to play the game, or do you just have negative gold ingame?

[true talon]

you can play, but everything in the game costs gold. you cant generate gold till your out of the negative.

[median wing]

that's great but the person who said ba boosting shouldnt be a thing left an hour ago

[meager flame]

personally i would just hard delete accounts though

[dire mango]

So it's not an example at all of what whas mentioned?

[meager flame]

nothing like losing hundreds of days of gameplay to learn a lesson

[true talon]

I feel this is to harsh and it also causes people to quit. i think deleting their gold is a better approach, it teaches a lesson and keeps the customer.

[meager flame]

thats kinda the point

you want to break the buyers not the sellers

if they have nobody left to sell to its over

[dire mango]

The example was "jagex puts a negative real world money balance on your account that you have to pay with real world money to play the game again."

[true talon]

no they put a negative bond balance on your account

that you need to pay to unlock the ability to trade again

[dire mango]

#game-update message read

[meager flame]

but seriously boosting, services, rwt all end up linked no matter what you do at the end of the day

[true talon]

i did he said 1b in bonds debt to be added to your account if your caught buying 1b lol

[obsidian venture]

Tassili and reading

Brick

[meager flame]

and ultimately they should want people to actually play the game not seek methods to pay others to play the game

within the rules or not

its just not good

[median wing]

yes but that is how it's supposed to be

[true talon]

yep, just like staking.

[sharp cave]

Pog ban people for buying ba boosts

[dire mango]

the msg i linked was explaining further what he meant....

[true talon]

I dont think they should ban anyone, they should seek deterents like removal of items over removing customers.

[celest geyser]

Tell that those speedrunners on yt, giving their alts 250+ mil starter gp lol.

[meager flame]

honestly yeah assuming they give fair warning and ask everyone to stop paying for others to do things for them

[dire mango]

remove customers. it's time.

[meager flame]

if BA is really so terrible people feel the need to buy boosts

[true talon]

yes

[meager flame]

maybe instead of letting players turn it into a business

jagex should look at BA

[sharp cave]

Ba isnt terrible though

[meager flame]

etc

[true talon]

However torso is not really relvent anymore

[median wing]

ba boosting isn't a problem

[true talon]

the people buying ba boosts is for diary and pet rolls lol

[sharp cave]

If u allow ba boosting then u alos allow raid boosting

[median wing]

it's mostly fake customers like in saks fifth avenue

[dire mango]

Yeah, but that's different and more justified as you say. It'd be harder to argue that you owe jagex real money because you bought in-game gold off a third-party website.

[true talon]

Well they shouldnt allow any boosting, they should dismantle all services just like they did Death matching and staking, and mega scales.

[meager flame]

it is though this is the part people get stuck on

they think because people are doing it in game for gold only that its cool