game-update

[timber drift]

should be an update button

rip

[vague viper]

ah, perhaps uninstall and reinstall

[shut wadi]

Okay

[shut wadi]

Didn't help

[winged nova]

Mines done the same

[vague viper]

Are you on Andriod?

[shut wadi]

Still this

[shut wadi]

Yeah

[vague viper]

OK thanks I'll look into it, sorry!

[supple panther]

Same

[shut wadi]

Np thank you 🙂

[timber drift]

its 'the guidance of ralos' btw

[cunning bridge]

Same

[analog crow]

legend! tyvm!

[frozen lion]

On android shows no new update but wants to restart app

[idle seal]

thank you mod blossom!

[vague viper]

Hey yeah we're aware of Android being a little behind on picking up yesterday's client update 🙁 I think it's slowly starting to appear for people. Right now I recommend just keeping checking playstore for the update while we see if there's anything we can do on our end

[idle seal]

Im getting the same issue

@vague viper thank you so much 🙂

[shut wadi]

Question why don't you guys reach out to comments like this?

[untold flower]

❤️ tyty

[shut wadi]

Would help your app rating resolving issues like this for people.

[dim gust]

new renderer on mobile crashed a few times when i tried to go and reclaim my pet - there were loads of people in the building with pets 🤷‍♂️

[shut wadi]

Yay I got the update guy's check your app stores 🙂

[worn venture]

Yeah reddit going into meltdown atm over this too

No update for android for me either

[frozen lion]

Update just showed up for android, Poland

[shut wadi]

Remember to fully close your app store, so it refreshes properly

Nice to see the classic background back 🙂

[idle seal]

anyone having issue's of the game not loading now?

it wont load for me after updating

[cerulean pasture]

Is already showed update, u should be check

[worn venture]

Thanks Mods for the prompt settlement of this issue. You guys are legends ❤️

[idle seal]

game wont load for me

I updated the app also

[timber drift]

any word on harvestfilling btw

[cosmic light]

Im at revs and i can see other peoples drops that arent uniques, is this intended because its not in the patch notes? https://i.imgur.com/9VGdeEe.png

[vague viper]

Hey 🙂 looking into it now, can I double check this is definitely not a clan broadcast for you?

[sour kelp]

they shoudlve had the whole year have a themed one

[cosmic light]

100% not a clan broadcast, dont know who that person is and it was broadcasting my drops too

[shut wadi]

Lol random 🤣

[cosmic light]

i cant see their ingame character but could still see the broadcast for them

[vague viper]

Thanks!

[solid moss]

did anyone get their refund for pet claims?

i cant tell if i did

[vivid ruin]

They said it has to be done manually which can take weeks

[dusk monolith]

Can you define what constitutes as rare for clan broadcasts?

[ember knoll]

also happening for personal kills with hill/moss giants (but not fire giants for whatever reason) https://imgur.com/7Ut8HS1

[vague viper]

yeeeah we're having a look at it 🙁

[hollow shuttle]

spaghetti spaghettified

[delicate rampart]

Anyone know if theyre refunding unused tokens or all tokens bought for this pet update?

[midnight owl]

They are but it’s manual

Read the patch notes

[delicate rampart]

I did

Not sure what that means and theyre doing what exactly?

[nocturne solstice]

The patch notes say they will refund any reclaim tokens you bought. So ones from dupes arent gunna count.

It being manual means you dont instantly get money in your account. They have a guy checking people one by one.

[brave hearth]

I think it's only unused token purchased with GP but I could be wrong

[nocturne solstice]

Its not any tokens you have, its any unused tokens you bought.

[brave hearth]

rip my 2 tokens from my 2 heron dupes

[nocturne solstice]

I had like 4 from farming chompies

[delicate rampart]

Thats depressing, was hoping to get refunded my money lost via pets but oh well

[analog crow]

Hopefully at some point we can get a rework of the mechanics of old group bosses so not only the mvp gets kc

some kind of general contribution system

[meager flame]

they are weird in general

like

the loot/kc system is just inferior to things we have now on a lot of stuff like gwd, kq, kbd, dks, corp etc

they also all tend to have weird rules about irons that basically absolutely nothing adheres to

other than those

they just sort of dont fit in with how the game is designed now

[mild saddle]

which are the old group bosses? is it just corp?

[meager flame]

all of gwd

[mild saddle]

i'll say i don't love the idea of people boosting corp but i guess if it was an afk team boss, it'd be whatever anyway

[meager flame]

actually

that entire list

those were all group bosses

[mild saddle]

gwd is all instanced isn't it?

[meager flame]

only for irons because they created an insane set of rules

[mild saddle]

like we can't even go regular room anymoe

[meager flame]

where irons couldn't play with other people

which is something that they simply don't do anymore

[mild saddle]

yeah but in-game i think it's just corp

maybe you could count dks

[meager flame]

nah even without the instances all of those have the "haha someone else hit this so you can't play now" thing going on

like irons can go grief each other

its not great lol

[mild saddle]

is that true? never seen that

[meager flame]

ya

[mild saddle]

i thought the doors locked when the fire was on

[meager flame]

gwd is an iron instance not a private instance

those cost gp

you see it happen a lot at kq

because people run back so often they quit paying attention ignore the fire

and run in on accident

[mild saddle]

i kind of have my doubts on gwd tbh but idk haven't been there in a while

the kq thing was a mess idk why they did any of that

does anyone really care if some snowflake is safespotting kq?

[meager flame]

"All four God Wars Dungeon generals now have their own shared Ironman instances. If you’re an Ironman, upon entering one of the boss rooms, you’ll be transported to the shared Ironman instance. Regular players can’t enter this space, although other Iron players can, which means you have much less chance of being inconvenienced during your battle. "

from the update where they were added

[mild saddle]

interesting

i've never seen that come up

[meager flame]

maybe possible it was changed again but the other iron instances i can think of still let you do it

its because almost all of us aren't insane and don't want to start a battle for a random world

after getting kc

[mild saddle]

yeah but like surely someone would have tagged a minion at some point and i'd get the red icon

i guess the instance closes when you leave

[meager flame]

i think they probably reset or something if nobody is inside

[mild saddle]

so it'd only come up for ragging yeah

[meager flame]

at this point you'd think they would just pass through all of the old stuff and add modern drop mechanics so that people can play together in a reasonable way

since that's how everything is designed for the last several years

[stuck mauve]

does anyone else think that doom speedrunner ca is fine as it is? i got it without zcb so i dont think it needs changing, you can even get the time with scobow as your main weapon and no particularly good spec weapns so i don't think they need to change it

[mild saddle]

jagex does at least

whole update today was just "git gud"

[meager flame]

idk if its really fine or not

i have a tbow so i cant really say what its like to not have one

like

im sure its possible without tbow but how likely is that

im sure thats what would really matter

[mild saddle]

i wouldn't mind this, corp is the only boss really affected though

[stuck mauve]

if you have d knives then the odds arent too bad

[mild saddle]

i only know of jraze so far who's gotten it without tbow and zcb

[meager flame]

like if its a bit unrealistic but its close

[mild saddle]

but i also don't know if that's the end of the world either, it's not like anyone wants perma-zuk tasks if you don't have a tbow

[meager flame]

maybe they could just bump the time by like 15 seconds or something to fix it

[mild saddle]

15s is a pretty sizable nerf

[meager flame]

yeah but it is over 7 minutes

it would be different if it were like

a 55s kill or something

[mild saddle]

i mean in the context of a 7:15 kill, 15s is a still a pretty big nerf

i like seeing Jagex actually hold their ground here, they get push back every time on the speedrun times and they get figured out

i'm sure they were pretty deliberate with the time

[meager flame]

ya its like a 3.5% nerf

big enough to do something but also not like

too massive to consider

like if they folded and just said you know what its sub 8

that would be insane lol

[stuck mauve]

i wouldnt mind that as long as i dont have to do the time again

[meager flame]

realistically though i think its just about how likely someone is to actually succeed if they do the right thing and how much margin for error they have

[slim musk]

Anyone know of the pet reclaim funds previous bought tokens over the past years or is it just refunding tokens that people possibly bought in advance and have already with probita?

[stuck mauve]

i remember the dt2 boss speed ca's being kinda harsh but doable, then they got nerfed some

[meager flame]

yeah like if kirby drops a video on our heads and he's like yeah its 1/50 for the rng in this gear

they probably should look at changing it a little lol

[stuck mauve]

lol

[mild saddle]

1/50 without tbow or zcb would be fair idk

[stuck mauve]

this speed attempt will cost us 100 mokhaiotl waystones

[mild saddle]

cuz with would be guaranteed then

[meager flame]

with faster resets sure but resetting killing a boss multiple times is kinda

idk thats a big time sink

thats 400 floors

[mild saddle]

not necessarily, if you're just going for that you'd tap out if you aren't pacing

[meager flame]

i think the biggest issue is that the best gear is just like

really good

compared to the second best setup

[mild saddle]

that's fair, speed times will have that problem

but i also don't think it's crazy to say that "second best setup" is going to be painful, GM is designed around max gear

[jaunty granite]

Random question does anyone have a screenshot or have a copy of the text that pops up for the new clan broadcast in toa/tob? Currently the RL plugin that I develop uses clan chat messages, so I need to see if anything will need to be changed to accomodate this 🙂

[shell pine]

Is anyone else getting an extreme amount of audio popping and stuttering at Hueycoatl after the this morning's update on the new official client? If I have area sounds on getting within range of the mountain while there's fighting going on is causing my CPU usage to spike up to like 45%.

[vague viper]

ooh just to check you're not on the new renderer? I will raise this!

[shell pine]

I am not on the new renderer

[vague viper]

Thanks 🙂

[solid briar]

For the future update idea of having an icon to show you're on mobile i think its a great idea, I've been suggesting it for years. Also i think it would be really neat if we could show off our character type as well in the context menu that way ppl can stop naming their chars "Gim" or "hc" etc

[last onyx]

@vague viper - sorry for direct tag/hijack. I was wondering if we had any updates coming for the Plugin Guild? I'd love to get involved and start learning the APIs/testing them ready for release. My CC have a bunch of ideas and rather than build in Runelite and then migrate, it could be cool to know we can hit the ground running when the official plugin support drops for our mobile users too!

If you know anyone I might be able to reach out to for a chat that'd be cooool

[vague viper]

Hey! Nothing outside of the last blog we put out unfortunately. Really glad to hear you're excited! I'd actually be the one to reach out to to chat more haha feel free to DM 🙂

[thick beacon]

ppl were able to do whisp time without shadow pre eye i think its fine even if it has a more of gear check

im definitely not trying without a tbow personally though

[stuck mauve]

yeah tbow is good, when it doesnt hit so many 0s on delve

usually people that are severely undergeared don't really go for gm speed times anyway

but yeah its still doable

[last onyx]

Ace!! Ill DM now 🙂 thanks!

Ive had to send a friend request, sorry! Idk your server policies about adding mods D:

[hard axle]

yes

the entire problem is lazy folks don't want to bring 4-8-way melee switches for chally/scythe or change up their strategy

they wanted to not charge beam tank, they didnt want to bring masori for non-car phase

they didn't want to bp reset off of trees or grubs

It didn't help that genomemonkey was raging while doing some dumb setup trying to complete multiple CAs and it wasn't working out, so reddit piled on that, similar to how faux and sick nerd said dumb shit back then and jagex acted on it

[mild saddle]

gnome 😭

dude has way too much influence atm

he knows way more than me, but he shoots from the hip sometimes and everything he says these days catches fire and spreads

[hard axle]

boss is 90+300 vs slash, he not only chose oathplate emberlight, but also used dfs (25 less accuracy than avernic)

for melee task

[quaint osprey]

i reclaimed a pet recently thinking i would get refunded. F

[stuck mauve]

yeah if youre going to do the melee ca with a shield you probably will want an inq mace with inq set, i did melee ca with defender emberlight and it still felt meh

[merry verge]

@steel bobcat

[hard axle]

I most definitely can do it with dmace

shit was mega easy

[stuck mauve]

is that so, then how come you never pot duo hmt

or are you making it sound easier than it was, d mace delve would be how many sets of orb phases

[austere mulch]

Spray and pray baby

[meager flame]

the thing that i see a lot of people upset about is "doing it wrong" being how to do CAs and like

idk if i agree or not

sometimes i think doing the "wrong" thing is interesting depending on what it is

but at the same time

just not doing a phase so it blasts you and ends to go faster is probably

not very high on the interesting meter

that's one of those things where maybe they should've rewarded you more for completing the phase or something but just didn't think it through completely

[hard axle]

i have all my kits

[hard axle]

like... 3?

on wave 8

with inq mace, it was only 1-2 car phases

[meager flame]

like meleeing the boss is interesting and thats the wrong thing

[stuck mauve]

i had 3 with ember byeah im not sure how i used my dds specs, was trying not to plank to a silly mistake

[stuck mauve]

[hard axle]

I didnt dds once

[stuck mauve]

whar

[hard axle]

legit just maced it to death

I completely forgot

[stuck mauve]

gamer

i guess mace is just that good

[hard axle]

no

people refuse to eat the shockwave

refuse to use 2 brain cells to control where the car goes

I was basically macing it entirety of car phase

and flinched on a boulder with no tick loss or minimal tick loss

[meager flame]

i mean yeah you can make it not move very much so if you get it in an area with a decent amount of rocks

[hard axle]

no no

[meager flame]

you could probably basically bounce it around near a corner and beat it to death

[hard axle]

YOU plant the boulders

[meager flame]

phase would be shorter but like

melee uptime is probably better at that point

[hard axle]

u can triple carpark and mace throughout

like the old days

[meager flame]

also completely unrelated to doom but

wouldn't that cosmetic for the chapel be like 100x cooler if it was a cosmetic for the portal out of your house

probably make a lot more sense thematically too lol

[patent condor]

Can we get a clarification on what Jagex means as "rare" for the clog notifications?
Is a "rare" based off gp value or set above certain drop rate?
I would really love clarification on this update so I can make an educated decision to limit our cc spam notifications.

[marble root]

So are all previously bought pet reclaims being refunded or only the tokens you had available at the time of the update?

[steel dune]

Definitely better than a million per death, but there should be a one time fee.
Dosent make sense otherwise.

[narrow folio]

I would rather pets always be protected in the first place

[tired quail]

I just had an idea that could be a really cool suggestion. With Sailing coming in the future a minigame to make crafting cannonballs faster would be really awesome and potentially really cool/fun content.

[small anvil]

how are we getting the refund, is it gonna be cash appearing in the inv?

i think i insured like ~3 or 4 pets that i got before taking a 5 yr break

[vivid ruin]

Is it refunded all previous pet tokens or just what we already had?

[hard axle]

https://i.imgur.com/2kJksuT.png

pretty cool update

it tells you exactly what drops what now

[chrome lantern]

Technically Sire pet takes away loot

[warm epoch]

Same with Yama

Something about demon bosses hmm

[chrome lantern]

How truly demonic of them

[sacred oracle]

probita pet reclaim interface has a refund button now, so i imagine it would appear there

don't know for sure tho

[stuck mauve]

but how many uniques have you gotten from minions

[hard axle]

3

[stuck mauve]

i see, nice

[hard axle]

Okay, so while the pet change was good, I still think there should be an option to have pets go to Gravestone and let the player pay 100k for it, which restores the gp sink.

Not everyone wants to go back to Probita, even if it's free, and 100k is something I'd be willing to pay for the convenience of it being in gravestone

[small anvil]

just start having a tier list of pets you have with you, when one dies pull out the next

and when there's enough go claim em all back at once

[silent maple]

Just never die

[hard axle]

Let me sink my GP

[sacred oracle]

I heard from Pyro who heard from I-don't-know-where that it's a technical limitation preventing this

I would also prefer that

it's nice not automatically losing -1m for my pet, but hiking to probita to reclaim it is nonideal

[silent maple]

You guys are thinking so narrow minded here

Let us reclaim via NPC contact

[meager flame]

i swear they turned off drops at delve 8+

[stuck mauve]

they didnt its just 1/180

[meager flame]

lmao all of my uniques are from like wave 3-5 and im probably gonna hit 400 deep delves later

[stuck mauve]

yeah going 1k deep delves without unique can happen

unlucky, should've thought bigger

[meager flame]

ikr

[hard axle]

11 uniques from 2-7 yeah

1 from 8+

[stuck mauve]

but if you do 100+ deep delves in 1 trip then you should get unique in 1.8 trips on average

[meager flame]

see this is where the conspiracy comes from

i see this happen to so many people that it just seems impossible lmao

[stuck mauve]

its just orangeg

[hard axle]

I have 3 people in clan who appear to report the same

I also have 2 folks who basically reach 20+ deep delves every single time

they've seen less

This is the whole shark lure bug theory again.

[stuck mauve]

cumulative chance perhapsingly

[chrome lantern]

My pets are 7 and 12, my eye was 6, my boots were 9, and my cloth I just got on my GIM was 4 xd

This is my GIM's gear rn for magic

[stuck mauve]

what on earth are you wearing

[chrome lantern]

Enchanted

[meager flame]

Peak fashion

[chrome lantern]

It's mystic but from hard clues

[vivid ruin]

The mustache sells the gettup

[hasty shard]

make probita ardy diary master

or just add her to diary cape like how theres fifty different karamja teleports on it for no reason

[frail nebula]

Now that dupe pet drops don't do anything, it'd be hilarious if you could form a conga line of a pet up to the number of times it's dropped for you

[hard axle]

crashes the game with 250 beavers/chompies

[frail nebula]

do it

[hard axle]

West Stairs is on 201 beaver

[hasty shard]

how far along is the 'rock golem from every star location' guy

[bronze kernel]

This is peak fashion and I love it

[tired quail]

Another in game suggestion i have is. Clan Banks like in other MMO's. That would be cool to see. #ionlyplayanironman

[nocturne solstice]

Is that like, the clan coffer thats in game?

[icy relic]

Way too easily abused

[nocturne solstice]

In other games I know of, clans need actual item resources for upkeep or upgrades. If we had a clan expansion then it might make sense for a one way bank (clan members can deposit but only higher rank can withdraw for clan upgrades). But I dont think an item bank would make sense without that.

[hard axle]

I think they were working on it initially, since we have a clan coffer

but its like 5m cap atm

[hard axle]

I still think Clan POH + needing consistent sinks would be a fantastic addition

We already have free pools via Ferox, a clan pool costing 200m initially + constant maintenance charges would be very balanced

[meager flame]

I mean that's not very balanced thats spend 200m for nothing

Clans would just buy everyone 83 con at that point or just have no pool

[nocturne solstice]

i wouldnt be opposed to that 🤔

[hard axle]

new players could join clan hall for poh instead of having to trudge to clan wars or go to 330

[meager flame]

Constant upkeep is also one of the worst things about clan only buildings from rs3

Yeah but how many people are going to pay for that instead of having you buy a ring of dueling or hop

[hard axle]

if its a simple tp to home to home? I know several clans would do that

200m is nothing if it means we can flex

i have like 3b in random junk

[meager flame]

Same and I wouldn't pay 100k for random accounts that could just hop and do something for free lmao

[hard axle]

I can see the appeal of not having to hop

altar, poh, clan treasure storage, agility training

[meager flame]

i'd rather they just make the clan poh do things that support being a clan

like they could have simple teleports and stuff but like

you'd rather see it giving people ways to group up

[hard axle]

adding perks for people to join clans sounds good to me if balanced/costly

[meager flame]

they tried that in rs3 and it just got stupid in a way

like upkeep sucks because then clans start basically lol enslaving people to upkeep

[hard axle]

330 is more lame

[meager flame]

ya but given how 330 works it seems like you might as well just put some light requirements to use the clan hall and let people just build stuff the same way they do in their poh

to actually just replace 330

although my reqs would be something that would upset some people

because it would be a list of stuff like

must be using a jagex account

since you know bots love 330

[hard axle]

i wish ferox had a daily limit based on dairies

same for clan wars

[meager flame]

i'd probably put a cap on regular poh stuff too to actually get people out of 330 and into clan halls

like you just can't have xyz people inside of your house at once

it would bother some people but as long as you didn't make clans cost too much you'd basically just be pressuring people into better account security/getting involved in clans just slightly

[hard axle]

i never liked the idea of giving folks very powerful rewards with 0 reqs and that's what the full hp healing was

especially when its so close to a low req tp

kills a lot of reason to use low hp food

just bad balance overall

[meager flame]

other than stuff like that you'd probably want it to tie into bingo in some way where rewards etc could just automatically be distributed

and also locked in so nobody could like steal it before the end or something crazy

maybe some teleports to group bosses/raids that the clan unlocks by doing the content

stuff like that

basically just getting people to play together to unlock stuff would be a big improvement they dont necessarily have to charge people a lot

idk what their end game is with bots though tbh

theres tons of people that are playing the game right now without the email they made their account with lmao

so idk how they move over to jagex accounts without just like

clipping some people that would love to transition but cant

actually nvm apparently you don't even have to have email access to upgrade to a jagex account

[empty fulcrum]

Can we please get an official confirmation regarding the Heron drop rate. @winter hearth confirmed two and a half month ago that shark lure would make it easier to get Heron (#game-update message), specifically stating the denominator would be smaller, meanwhile Arcane is in dms saying it reduces the drop rate by 6x while using shark lure, making the pet more rare (#740356256727957554 message, imgur for those not in petcord: https://i.imgur.com/7tesLGk.jpeg). Quite the difference between one saying the drop rate is 1/<80k and the other saying it’s 1/480k, both seemingly being from official sources. @fading token, would you be able to ping someone who’d know? As I have no idea who’s on the developer team, which is who you told me to get on contact with last time this was brought up.

[ember token]

I would trust Arcane over Goblin on this

[winter hearth]

damn none taken

I've pinged the dev who worked on it, might be a misimplementation or just an initial miscommunication

Though I'd wager Arcane has checked under the hood and what he's said is correct, whether or not it's intended

[ember token]

lol I almost prefaced that with "no shade to Goblin" in case you were here

[ember token]

but yeah this was my reasoning

[empty fulcrum]

Thank you! Much appreciated 🫶🏼

[winter hearth]

Would appear there was a miscommunication initially. Intended behaviour is that the pet is less common with more shark lures, the intent being 'let's not make shark lures busted for pet hunting'. That'd be our bad on the initial chatter

[quartz kraken]

i'm so hapy my account might be unbanned soon! thank you jagex for giving us a second chance

can't wait to play osrs again

[restive siren]

rip to the people spending millions on shark lures lul

[proper knoll]

[restive siren]

aaaaand crash incoming

[meager flame]

ya i mean i expect them to get sent right back to the shadow realm of like 100gp each

im ngl

i think shark lures could be buffed somehow

not sure what exactly i'd do to them though they just seem like they're in a weird spot considering minnows exist

[ember token]

i thought they went up because of people using them to fish moon key halves

supposedly the best way to get the skilling half

[meager flame]

that might be the reason im just not sure the appetite for chasing moon key halves is going to exist like that long term

but maybe

i just cant help but notice that they sorta suck at the one thing they were supposed to be used for

like lol its not even slow its just

if you buy the lures you should honestly just buy the raw shark

if you want to catch sharks fast minnows are pretty good

you might think catching them even faster could be a training method but they killed the exp

it sorta feels like how when they added bonfires it was slower and reduced exp per log and it was just like

excessively bad

it would probably be fine if it were at least decent for something besides maybe hunting a half key in varlamore

[chrome lantern]

The biggest mistake of shark lures is that they’re not really food worth fishing in the first place

It might be a bit different if it were manta ray lure or super dark crab bait

But like 99% of the time I would rather use karambwans or brews over sharks and that’s not even considering the fact that mantas and anglers exist

Even on an iron I would usually rather go fish karambwanji and karambwans and cook those before I world use cooked sharks that I already have in the bank

To say even less about the shark lures

[meager flame]

ya

like i basically never fish shark and probably will never because its just inferior food

i do use the ones i get as drops occasionally

thats part of why i don't understand why these things are basically designed to suck at absolutely everything lol

tbh if they just wanted us to get less pvm shark drops they could've just deleted half of the amount

it seems like an overly elaborate way to remove sharks from the economy if that was the angle

[icy relic]

Hitting sharks was really weird

I don't know why it was such a big problem having Zulrah drop mantas

Sharks are already bad for training and as said not good food

[mild saddle]

shark lures being bis for cloggers was accidentally really good

will keep shark lures up in value and sharks down to nothing in value so good for new players who don't care for the 2hp

kinda worked out

[meager flame]

tbh i dont really think there is a world where sharks cost more than nothing

the game has moved on without them

its like worrying about the price of swordfish

funnily enough sailing is incoming to dig a deeper grave for them too

[mild saddle]

i agree that shark lures was very weird and not something i would've done, just the clog aspect of it is an interesting, happy accident

[earnest marsh]

Yep

Like you fish like 600-700karamb an hour, and with shark lures it's like 630 an hour?

And if you tick Mani cooking, it's x3 times faster cooking also

Or you can buy karamb for 2k an hour

Jagex, plz makes shark lures that you can fish up to 2-3k an hour

[oblique mesa]

Shark lures seem like a cool concept, hopefully the next implementations of it will be better

[still sundial]

when I read "shark lure" my mind first thought of using sharks as a lure... which would certainly be cool... what could you catch on sharks?

[analog crow]

I haven't tried the lures yet but do you get basically no xp from using them?

That makes them pretty useless imo, and I don't understand this design choice
just extra busy work to get your raw shark drop

[compact flicker]

Orcas

[hard axle]

whales

[silent maple]

shark lures goated

[minor whale]

You'd catch giant squid

Giant squid love shark and whale

New bis food when

Using sharks to catch mega karambwan

Heals 24, same karambwan mechanics

[hard axle]

can bite it 10 times?

hell yes

[minor whale]

One per leg

Chomp chomp

[hard axle]

good good...

we nede more reason for hard food

[minor whale]

We absolutely do

[hard axle]

endgame being brew, pre-angler, eat out of combat is

[sacred oracle]

brews are not fun to use

i am very brave for this opinion

[meager flame]

implying any food is fun

tbh

[hard axle]

can we get bandosian brews over armadyl brews

[meager flame]

i would say brews are more fun than the alternatives

more hitting stuff and playing the game less eat delays

[sacred oracle]

maybe I'm brewing wrong, because I miss hella attacks when I'm guzzling brews at the doom

[meager flame]

ya super wrong lol

[minor whale]

Make overloads be a thing but they're 1 click for all boosts and then they don't reboost stats if drained below base level
So they work with brews, but you'd have to brew super restore then the ovl reboosts, and hard food now suddenly is slightly more useful

[sacred oracle]

If you need to brew 4 times, I don't know how you don't miss attacks.

[minor whale]

Brew click boss

It doesn't put any eat delay but if you aren't clicking boss

It won't re-attack

[sacred oracle]

I thought you were supposed to guzzle the brews as fast as you can so you can restore and get stats back

[meager flame]

you just play around your attack timer

and no simply not attacking is a massive dps loss

[sacred oracle]

Am I supposed to be brewed down for like 4 attacks?

[meager flame]

doing 0 is going to impact the average

[minor whale]

There's an innate delay on potion drinking times

You'd rather be brewed down but do a few low stat hits

Than just doing no attacks during that time

Potions take 3 ticks to be able to drink another potion

So potion - 2 ticks to attack - potion - 2 ticks to attack - repeat etc

[hard axle]

You're not supposed to brew at all during the fight.

If you have to brew, brew on shield phase or orb phase if it's not likely to die.

[meager flame]

ya its just generally if you do have to brew you can keep attacking

definitely try not to miss attacks

[hard axle]

^this is the main benefit of brews

[sacred oracle]

Well, I definitely have to brew

[minor whale]

Ye that's why they're so strong

[hard axle]

and why people prefer it over hard food

[minor whale]

No attack delay but can heal, the only downside is slightly lower hits

[hard axle]

1t karambwan was actually pretty fun

during leagues

[meager flame]

if jagex wanted to get interesting

[sacred oracle]

I haaaatee brews because I have to guzzle them for tiny amounts of hp all the time, and then try to restore, and so I'm doing all this while struggling to survive

[hard axle]

moonlight moth mix is similar in that regard

[meager flame]

they would put some food that doesn't come in vials on the potion delay

[minor whale]

New hard food buff coming as a quest reward where you can simply eat faster

[sacred oracle]

So it's like 5 different sips and then repot after, all while trying not to die

they don't feel fun to me

but i guess ymmv

[meager flame]

tbh on doom assuming im not trying to like

[stuck mauve]

whats ymmv

[meager flame]

get a pb or something

[earnest marsh]

rather just fish karamb then sharks ngl

even with lures

[meager flame]

i just bring combo food for the moments where i decide im an idiot

[minor whale]

Your mom may vary

[stuck mauve]

i see

[sacred oracle]

do people not google any more smh my head

[meager flame]

since theres not really much else digging you out of the hole messing up on doom will put you in

[sacred oracle]

i should actually just get better at doom, but i don't like that idea as much

i'd rather complain about brews

[stuck mauve]

simply dont use brews

bloodfury carphase and shield phase to get hp back

and ancient godsword spec

[meager flame]

but yeah brews are goated especially if we have overloads because of the attack delay thing

[stuck mauve]

ok maybe dont do the first part

[meager flame]

and the amount of food it is per inventory slot of course

[stuck mauve]

if being series

[sacred oracle]

no, i'm definitely doing it now, it's tech

[stuck mauve]

true

[earnest marsh]

yep, complaining alwys works for me

[sacred oracle]

i will try that when i go back to doom today

i've actually died many, many, many times at doom guzzling brews instead of attacking

so i'll just attack instead

i won't kill it during car, but at least maybe i'll be able to kill it during earthen shield

[obsidian venture]

https://youtu.be/2BQkJYVY2B4

@sacred oracle

[sacred oracle]

is that THE irene?

[obsidian venture]

Ye

[sacred oracle]

that's kinda funny

okay i watch

[hasty shard]

you mean to tell me jraze has been irene this entire time

[obsidian venture]

No

Made a guide for Irene

During the tob days

Anyways, a really good guide in general that a lot players don’t know or do

[round lintel]

Can we get an update before sailing arrives to separate my max cape with the other capes, so I dont lose like 12m worth of max capes?

@vague viper

Im feeling im not the only one thinking about this

[frail bough]

doesnt it just get unequipped, why would it get deleted

[round lintel]

because they said they would give the option to separate your max cape with quiver and infernal cape

but they never confirmed if you will get the max cape back

in that particular scenerio

since it no longer serves the purpose of the max cape but is just cosmetic

[frail bough]

for how many max cape variants there are to buy, im going to really doubt they just poof the max cape when "disassembling"
also going to doubt anyone will actually struggle to have the money to rebuy the capes they disassemble if they do
don't think we really need confirmation on if players gp is getting straight deleted here

[meager flame]

im ngl

[round lintel]

Max cape will no longer cost 2277k

[meager flame]

i think it would be cool if they work on this but also

we're maxed if they delete 12m i wouldn't even know it

lmao

[round lintel]

that was confirmed

I dont mind if they do, but I dont like surprises

I like to know before hand whats going on

[frail bough]

I guess but I feel the most obvious solution is probably the most obvious solution

[meager flame]

i actually kinda remember reading an explanation at some point

that was written as if the max cape is actually just deleted

but i'd have to really dig to find them talking about it

I do think the games inflation is out of control though that I can sit here and be like who cares if they delete 12m like its 100k is concerning lol

unrelated but its cool that they send you messages to confirm that they banned people you reported

i can only assume some delve bots died recently lol

[round lintel]

mine were redwoods wc people

i reported several accts for botting cuz they would login on an empty w and they go to the exact same spot

I would call it out

but they never replied back

must be a bot, and guess what? they were

lvl 120+

[slow robin]

I'm hoping the vyre & gargoyle bots I've been reporting have been axed, I just got the inbox notification this morning

[small anvil]

hurry stock up on max capes now before sailing hits while its still cheap!

[tacit wharf]

they send it out every thur

[slow robin]

oh, that's disappointing

[vocal pine]

Poll 85 out yet?

[stuck mauve]

whats poll 85

[vocal pine]

Free pet revives

[stuck mauve]

yeah

[vocal pine]

Real?!?!

[restive siren]

#game-changelog

[stuck mauve]

true!

[restive siren]

sit

[stuck mauve]

at last

[vocal pine]

Rocky here I come!

[sacred oracle]

I'm pretty sure, as proposed, you lose the max cape

imo this is fine

The important part is keeping the untradable

And it's fine for it not to be just a totally free revert

max capes don't really cost that much, and you'd only really need to revert a few of them, because a lot of the items are cheap to get again (e.g., imbued mage capes) if you really don't want to pay the 2.2m for another max cape

basically you'd just revert inferno/quiver

This is the last information I can see Jagex published on it in June:

Many maxed players have combined their other special capes with the Max Cape. Don’t worry – you’ll be able to get your Infernal (or Fire) Capes back, even if you lose the Max Cape that goes with them. When Sailing launches, you’ll be able to dismantle any Max Cape variant to get the component pieces back. The Max Cape, of course, will not be returned – unless you’re level 99 Sailing, of course. If you’ve used a Trouver Parchment on your Max Cape, we’ll explore whether it’s possible to restore the same version back to you.

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/sailing-beta---available-now-on-desktop-or-mobile?oldschool=1

[meager flame]

I do think thats super weird tbh

Like i dont lose my quest cape when new quests come out I just cant use it

I can't really come up with a good reason for them to just delete the max cape part lol

[sacred oracle]

Maybe it's an engine issue and they don't have a way to disable it

Since max capes have never needed to be disabled before, unlike achievement diary cape or quest cape or music cape

Curious myself tbh

[hasty shard]

its the 'unless you have 99 sailing' that makes it weird imo

[sacred oracle]

I had kind of assumed deleting the max cape was just a choice they made, not a limitation, but the "unless you're 99 sailing" thing confuses me

[hasty shard]

like id understand if it was just always lost so you cant just disassemble it (vs just like only disassembling at bank which is more sensible)

but it sounds like they are just doing both things

[meager flame]

Who knows it might be the world's most petty gold sink

[sacred oracle]

oh yeah I hadn't thought of that: if you could disassemble and get it back anywhere, that's just a free max cape with you everywhere without losing invent slot

[meager flame]

Just dont allow disassembly if maxed

[hasty shard]

typa shit that comes through unpolled nowadays tbh

[sacred oracle]

i think i favor just destroying the cape, it feels simpler to me

[hasty shard]

im sneering at every update since snowy knight mixes

[sacred oracle]

the price of a cosmetic

[hasty shard]

when champion max cape

not having more cosmetic max capes is a piss take ever since the masori kit one ngl

seeing xeric/tob max capes running around would be 🔥

[idle rapids]

They made a masori cape cause it was BIS

There's no precedent for fully cosmetic max capes

Closest thing is the MA1 max capes

Also I dont think its super needed, champion cape is pretty fast to get compared to a lot of grinds

And the 2k CM or TOB capes are already impressive enough on their own

[meager flame]

Tbh they should do all kinds of cosmetic cool stuff with max capes

What we got is actually really lame considering the investment to get a max cape

Like they dont have to go too over the top but being able to pick your colors and stuff like that seems fair

Useful tech too so we can recolor other items in the future

If they cook something thats actually good

[idle rapids]

They'd have to actually add all the models in for different colors, although I wouldn't be against it

The clan capes/vexilliums are already highly customizable

So that's kinda the proof of concept to be able to customize your max cape

[last onyx]

I agree if they make agility and runecrafting better, it's so bad beyond any understanding. If not it's a big NO to any max cape additions.

[hasty shard]

how is a cosmetic bis

[small anvil]

its a cosmetic version of bis

i think is whats being said

[minor whale]

It's a cosmetic override of bis
Not like Champion's which is statless

[small anvil]

(before quiver)

[hasty shard]

ok wheres deadman mage max cape

[small anvil]

as in you'd actually wanna bring it to combat

all these people worried about max versions of their capes, and i havent made a max version of any cape

just use max as a tp cape

[mild saddle]

max cape kind of ugly

haven't overrid any of mine either

don't have max quiver though, i know people like that one

base max cape is ok

[small anvil]

ya i think max cape original looks fine

[idle rapids]

actually thatd be pretty cool they should do that

deadman item prices would shoot even more thru the roof

[hasty shard]

TRUE

[sacred oracle]

i usually like the max cape variant better than the original

i don't know how i feel about more max cape variants, though: there are already so many

14, in fact

[idle rapids]

What if they just let you transmog outside of wildy

Vanity equipment tab

Maybe you have to unlock it at raids 4 or w/e

[vestal cosmos]

I maxed on RS3 (where you can freely customize your max cape) last week and I'm still running around with the base red version. It's just super cool!

[idle rapids]

RS3 has the comp capes which are cooler

Comp capes got proposed years ago as a game jam thing but haven't made it in yet

Instead we just have the clog stuff which isnt as cool

[hasty shard]

i want comp cape just to annoy people

'unlock moon helm' awesome

'green log rax' insane

[idle rapids]

whatever the requirements would be, people would do it

Idc if its insanely tedious and hard

Max cape 2 easy

[vestal cosmos]

I'm nowhere close to RS3 comp cape lol, some of the reqs are just absurd

[idle rapids]

Well they have the regular and trimmed versions as like easy/hard version right?

Pretty cool concept, I like the base stat capes they added in like early 2010s too

[vestal cosmos]

Easy being a very relative term

[idle rapids]

I would always go for base levels and make those capes

[hasty shard]

timegated to ports

[idle rapids]

Do they throw on new requirements to it all the time or smth?

[hasty shard]

granted maybe thats easier since time runes idk

[vestal cosmos]

Honestly I never knew the milestone capes were a thing until the day after I maxed

[idle rapids]

I loved them when I played as a kid

Altho divination kinda ruined that

Such a boring skill it made me quit

[stuck mauve]

we have time runes now?

[[time runes]]

[[time rune]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Nonexistence

[hasty shard]

[[rs3: time rune]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Time_rune

[round lintel]

Can anyone help me find the conversation about the chance to appeal again on your banned accts?

I know I read it here in the last 24 hrs

but I cant seem to find it

[hard axle]

https://osrs.game/Player-Support-Roadmap

Under improved ban appeal access summer 2025

[round lintel]

Thank you

[weary copper]

for the pet change it would've been nice if pets were allowed in private boss instances, i still can't take my pet everywhere

or having your pet completely disappear (having to press the whistle) when using the fairy ring or portal nexus

[bronze kernel]

That's asking them to make a lasagna out of macaroni noodles, ketchup, and beef jerky.

[weary copper]

unlucky, my pet will be behind me for 5 whole seconds when i take it out to then never bee seen again cus im not pressing my whistle every minute, until i get the message that my non existant pet can't be taken into the instance

[round lintel]

I hate when you kill the last pillar at pnm the same tick it does Husk and you have to tp out

is so annoying

[meager flame]

comp cape in osrs would be pretty easy for them to make

just don't copy rs3 and take inspiration from clogs/CAs

they could dodge the whole "omg i don't want to do this one particular awful thing" easily by just making it so its maxing, questing, diaries and a combination of clog and CAs so that people are just shooting for a points threshold

instead of being expected to actually do every single thing

like if someone is a GM and otherwise maxed they don't also need gilded clogs

and vice versa

[chrome lantern]

I don't really like point thresholds tbh

Also how is it completionist if you don't require max or gm

At a minimum it should hard require both

[meager flame]

its far better than the alternative where jagex says okay just do everything and any time any update comes out that does anything whatsoever you have to do everything

because you're still expected to play the game for like 6k hours to get anywhere close to getting it

its just not doing actually every single thing in general

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I don't really like clog in general

[icy relic]

Comp isn't happening and thank goodness for it

[chrome lantern]

But a.) I don't think we need a completionist cape at all and b.) if we did it should 100% require max and GM

[tacit wharf]

sounds like you want comp cape, but dont wanna do the work to maintain it and its prestige

[meager flame]

because thats the single downfall of how rs3 tried to do it for so long

there was no flexibility

[icy relic]

Taking final boss out of comp was so stupid

[nocturne solstice]

If you cant complete then no completionist cape ez as

[chrome lantern]

Minimum reqs would definitely be max, gm, and quest cape

Probably diary as well

[meager flame]

theres no reason if you do it that way

[icy relic]

Condemned the entire high level community to no PvM because they cried about forcing people to do group bosses being unfair

[nocturne solstice]

oh diary for sure

[meager flame]

just say gm helm is comp cape and stop

[chrome lantern]

There's no reason for a completionist cape in the first place lmao

[meager flame]

yeah there is

[nocturne solstice]

also true

[chrome lantern]

Most GMs I know aren't even maxed though

[icy relic]

And too much drama about what qualifies for comp and what should be trimmed cape

[meager flame]

"there's no reason to give our players who maxed or got gm reason to do anything"

lol like come on

[chrome lantern]

?

[nocturne solstice]

Bro

[chrome lantern]

You can do things without a cape

People have for years

[meager flame]

there is obvious reason to give people additional goals to shoot for

[nocturne solstice]

Did the zuk helm and max cape just disappear or what

[meager flame]

you could say theres no reason to have clogs with the same logic

[chrome lantern]

I don't really think so

[meager flame]

or no reason to have gm

[chrome lantern]

Unironically

I think chasing clogs for clog number only is actively harmful to the game tbh

People care way more about the clog number than actually just doing stuff they like and not doing stuff they don't like

At best it's an addiction to chasing something that doesn't matter and doing things you don't like

[meager flame]

i dont think you actually want to follow that logic

[icy relic]

You can't dictate player behavior

[chrome lantern]

People have set their own goals for years on years and the more stuff you put in like 99 capes, max capes etc. the more people feel "forced" and entitled to getting those things

[icy relic]

It's what Blizzard did, actively resisting emergent gameplay at every step

[meager flame]

just because if you do follow it instead of selectively applying it when you feel like it

you'd realize that theres no point in 99 capes or any other in game achievement basically

because people could just play the game and set their own goal without any reward for anything

[chrome lantern]

I would agree though, I don't think we should really have 99 capes. The skills themselves should just have value all the way up.

[meager flame]

and i think we all know if the game actually worked that way

it wouldn't be nearly as fun or interesting

[icy relic]

Deciding what makes comp and what doesn't really is too much drama

[nocturne solstice]

better to not add it

[icy relic]

And people absolutely are going to cry to the high heavens once again if GM gets included in it

Yes

Highly doubt it would ever pass polling because of that divide

[meager flame]

thats why you just dont

just don't copy rs3

let people select from completing many of the things from across the entire game instead of trying to cook some list that nobody would be happy with

[nocturne solstice]

that sounds terrible

[meager flame]

yeah i think it sounds terrible to play osrs too

[tacit wharf]

imagine saying you completed the game, then not have gm...

[meager flame]

lmao

[nocturne solstice]

Maybe i misunderstood what you mean by "let people select" but that sounds super bad

[meager flame]

do you think the collection log is terrible

[icy relic]

Clog is great

[analog crow]

Clog is good
I get a dopamine hit when I hit a new unique

[meager flame]

same idea

[nocturne solstice]

I have absolutely 0 opinon on the collection log. It's just a counter that ticks up in the background as I play the game.

[meager flame]

tiered unlocks that do not require actually collecting every single item in the game

[icy relic]

Clog didn't need cosmetics

[meager flame]

the flexibility of being able to finish it without having to hunt down every little thing is an improvement

[icy relic]

The ability to track everything in one place is good enough

[nocturne solstice]

i woulda been fine if it didnt have cosmetics yeah

just the UI change was nice enough

[analog crow]

If you don’t grind out the dragon full helm you don’t deserve a comp cape

[nocturne solstice]

I just think its kind of a no brainer that a completionist cape should require you to "complete" the game.

[analog crow]

Yeah ofc

[nocturne solstice]

Right?

[meager flame]

i mean it still would

[analog crow]

It’s in the name

[nocturne solstice]

Why even bother adding it if its not that

[icy relic]

I mean they don't have to name it comp

To avoid that issue

[analog crow]

Midgame cape ?

[meager flame]

you seem to think that it would be free or super easy just because you didn't have to do every little thing on the entire list

[nocturne solstice]

"The nearly comp cape but only the content I like to do" cape

[chrome lantern]

I think clog cosmetics were a bad precedent because we see people asking for clog tiers to have actual rewards now

[nocturne solstice]

No I dont think it'll be free, I just think it'll be pointless and hypocritical if it doesnt do what its named for.

Making people complete the game

[icy relic]

They indeed were a bad precedent

[analog crow]

Ca rewards should be cosmetic too tbqh

[meager flame]

so just call it something else

[chrome lantern]

They were initially proposed to have little to no rewards past lamps

They then polled more rewards later

[round lintel]

I dont think anyone is even close to complete the game

[nocturne solstice]

True

[meager flame]

the point is just to give people an overall account progression goal and something to do

[nocturne solstice]

Blame the clog lmao

Im sure there's a good amount of players maxed, GM, and achievement diary completed

[analog crow]

Would you need the fishing ingot for comp cape?

[nocturne solstice]

but that clog man

[icy relic]

How many people even have every pet

[round lintel]

clog and completion are not even that close together, you have CAs, Diaries, quests, skilling...

look at rank 1 clog

[nocturne solstice]

I would much much much rather the devs spend their time on actual content rather than a silly cape that doesn't actually add anything to do.

Which they are doing right now so that's great

Everything you propose as "something to do" with the addition of the cape is still already in game.

[icy relic]

Also for every update in RS3 Jagex has to update comp reqs and give people a grace period to complete new grinds

It is just a total waste of dev time

[meager flame]

if we're being honest

[icy relic]

We have gotten so much new content lately

[meager flame]

that probably takes next to no time

[tacit wharf]

i mean its just checks, no real difference then any other cape like it

[meager flame]

it will take some obv but

adding another requirement to something that already exists likely isn't very costly

[icy relic]

It's just another layer of balancing and decision-making with each update

Do we make comp content? Do we make it trimmed comp?

How often should we make comp content etc

And those can conflict with just making cool stuff

[tacit wharf]

u dont make anything specially for it

[nocturne solstice]

If we were being honest we wouldnt have said the cope cape contributes to account progression and gives people something to do.

Since you know, everything required for it already is tracked and has its rewards. Those things already contribute to account progression and give people something to do.

The way you want it already exists in game with each thing you want to complete giving you its own reward for completing it.

[tacit wharf]

ask me comp cape would consist of:

1. quest cape
2. achievement dairy cape
3. music cape
4. gm
5. all clogs ( minus hard/elite/master rare clogs)
6. max cape

trimmed if all hard/elite/master rare clogs completed

[nocturne solstice]

oh yeah i forgot about the music cape, thats a good one

[mild saddle]

max cape of course

[nocturne solstice]

oh yeah that too

[tacit wharf]

ahh knew i forgot one

[mild saddle]

question what you want to do with 200m, probably nothing

[tacit wharf]

nothing

[mild saddle]

but there are people with both 200m and zuk helm working on clogs

[nocturne solstice]

i would also say nothing

They already get increased pet rate for some of em

[mild saddle]

nothing is totally fair, something is also fair imo

because it is content that is completed

extra effect, emote, trim, idk

[nocturne solstice]

id say you already completed it at 13m with 99

[mild saddle]

i understand that point of view

i also understand thinking that rewarding 200m is not great

[nocturne solstice]

i dont particularly want people to feel forced to get 200m

since if its a big boost then it feels obligated, if its a cosmetic then people will want it on the clog and not its also obligated

[mild saddle]

as long as it's minor tweak and cosmetic

oh it needs to be cosmetic

[nocturne solstice]

yeah then itll probably end up on the clog and now people feel they have to get 200m

[mild saddle]

"feel" "have to" idk

not buying it myself

[chrome lantern]

Max cape isn't on the clog either

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah i agree with that sentiment since I dont really care about those kinda things but other people do and they get pretty upset.

[chrome lantern]

I definitely think max cape, zuk helm, and basically everything should be on the clog

[mild saddle]

neither is zuk helm

and yeah

i kinda agree

blorva too isn't clog iirc

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that's another I was slipping my mind on

Radiant

[nocturne solstice]

We have threads now in game suggestion demanding huasca seeds be added to amox since it was recently added to the drop table

[chrome lantern]

Huasca should be removed from the clog

[mild saddle]

blorva redudant with zuk helm but yeah

[nocturne solstice]

Im just thinking its not that big of a deal

[chrome lantern]

It's an herb seed

[mild saddle]

yeah

[chrome lantern]

Especially because it has 5 sources now

[mild saddle]

defintely should be removed

when i got the clog at custodia whatevers i was confused for a sec

[chrome lantern]

Like on release it was Hueycoatl and hehe funny moon chest rare drops

[mild saddle]

did you know hepsori seed is a clog?

i had no idea and recently made an alt

[chrome lantern]

I did

[mild saddle]

thought i spiked tangleroot at 30 farm

[plain root]

Hey @fading token! Hope you're well good sir! Quick ask for ya. HC died in November and I haven't played since. The remake is now underway, and I just noticed that holding the spacebar isn't keeping my escape crystal from taking me to lumby? I know this is beneath you, but with you being a man of the people I figured I'd shoot my shot and see if you might be willing/able to whisper in someone's ear to take a look into getting it back to behaving like it used to? Either way, appreciate ya!

[round lintel]

Nice neck

[restive lark]

good morning, this morning i cannot seem to log in to OSRS on Samsung s23 ultra, ive wiped the phone and tried again, who can i contact to report, or see if its justme 🙂

when i click 'click here to play' it crashes and a bug report pops up

[nocturne solstice]

Try making a thread in #1391372405066301550 and they might be able to help you

[fading token]

Arcane is on the developer team, and I believe his interpretation of that code is correct.

[fading token]

That's been flagged to the team already - I see the notes mention a request from 'Witch Aileen'. However I'm not optimistic that the engineers will get to deliver it, especially after a previous change related to this led to a more serious bug from August's engine update. Sorry.

[plain root]

Oh no! 😬
Ahhh that’s a shame.. Ok well, very much appreciate the insight nonetheless, thank you for checking good sir!

[sullen island]

how has chambers been such a forgotten topic? 3x longer to complete than either tob or toa and not a single word about it from the team. (right column is hours to complete non-cosmetics)

[minor whale]

Hours to complete is so high because there's so many uniques, and each of them is quite useful

12 drops for CoX
7 for ToA
7 for ToB

Adding more rewards scales completion rates a LOT since chances of dupes increases with each extra unique on the table

[stuck mauve]

perchance you muted the wrong thing

or maybe you're tired and you're hearing things

[mild saddle]

hours to complete is a bit unfair imo

a good number of the rewards are super optional, that's also true for tob

[sacred skiff]

Time to complete for ToB is just “time to scythe and avernic” lol

[mild saddle]

tbh i did kind of forget for a sec that sang was useless

do wish they'd buff the 4t trio to relevance somehow but no idea how that's even possible

[stuck mauve]

cms should have better purp chances or adjusted weightings

[sullen island]

hours to complete cox is mostly tied to 3 1/34.5 drops, not the variety of drops

[mild saddle]

CMs are just about as good as fast solos

CoX is pretty balanced across all modes now outside of 4hr 100 scales

[sullen island]

3 1/34.5 drops with 2 1/3.45 drops is significantly longer than tob or toa

[mild saddle]

toa is probably the longest to useful items technically

cuz all the items are good

going off vibes tbf

[sullen island]

except a 400 is twice as easy as a solo cm with higher drop chance and lower time to complete

[mild saddle]

twice as easy?

i mean i guess

don't think eitehr is particularly hard

[sullen island]

warden doesn't hit you with a 45 that you can't pray against

[mild saddle]

CMs are just too gear dependent imho to be the forced meta

which buffing them at all would do considering how close they are to other methods of CoX

[sullen island]

tbowless cm's are 0 fun and just worse pts/hr than normals

[mild saddle]

idk if that's true

shadow is more important to CMs than tbow

but anyway, mega-less CM sucks

[obsidian venture]

Well yes. Unscaled regs are generally better

[mild saddle]

so making it meta seems lame

[obsidian venture]

If doing cms, you’d want to hit x time for it to compare

Depending on scale

Unscaled regs generally better than scaled as well

[mild saddle]

yeah if speedy unscaled regs are king

[obsidian venture]

Only thing that compares would be the megas which takes a while

[mild saddle]

but CMs with shadow / tbow are pretty close

[sullen island]

all of which are nowhere close to tob or toa

[obsidian venture]

If doing solo cms without megas, yes it’s ass

Not too bad in teams

[mild saddle]

CoX in general could use a look, i don't disagree

i just hate the suggestion to make CMs the meta by buffing them

[obsidian venture]

If cms reduced scroll chance, it’d help

[mild saddle]

that'd giga buff cms

[obsidian venture]

But I’d fully disagree with moving anything out

[sullen island]

harder content should be meta

[mild saddle]

and make you forced to do cms or you're trolling

even with bowfa

[obsidian venture]

Instead of 60%, could drop to like 40%

[mild saddle]

yes, let's make the more gear-checked, longform, more punishing version of the raid the only good way to do it did we learn nothingfrom ToA?

regs are fun

[sullen island]

or or or

[mild saddle]

don't make them ass

[obsidian venture]

Cms are way more fun than toa will ever be

[mild saddle]

don't disagree

[obsidian venture]

But that subjective either way

[mild saddle]

but making the gear-checked long version meta is crappy

[sullen island]

lets make the more gear checked, longform, more punishing version of the raid the best way to do it, while also making normals worthwile?

[obsidian venture]

Thing is

[mild saddle]

if you buff CMs at all, they'll be sooo much better than regs

they're already very close

[obsidian venture]

Hmt, while being pdf content, does that in regard to the avernic. So there’s precedent for Cms to maybe follow suit

[obsidian venture]

It still won’t be meta

[mild saddle]

they're already super close, unless you mean super megas then yeah

100 scale raids will always technically be bis

[sullen island]

thats like saying a 150 toa and 500 should have the same droprate

im not sure what youre getting at

[mild saddle]

don't hate it idk

[obsidian venture]

Like in terms of getting non scroll sure but again ttk would be better in unscaled raids regardless

[mild saddle]

have you done a 300 recently? if you go fast they're super fun

but they're trolling, it's a shame

[obsidian venture]

I find them boring now tbh

They made baba afk, akkha is piss

[mild saddle]

yeah

toa is a mess

[sullen island]

but why do you want bad loot to be the standard

[obsidian venture]

Running 500s just feelsbad

[mild saddle]

seems like the masses agree on that finally

[obsidian venture]

540s were fun for a bit

[mild saddle]

i'm ok with buffing all of cox

i just think forcing CMs to be meta is bad

[obsidian venture]

Idt it’ll force it

Playerbase still has massive skill issue

And people who already suck do mass cms

[mild saddle]

i think people really underestimate how close CMs are to regs

3s and 5s CMs are viable too, i don't hate that being better i guess

[sullen island]

they can reduce scroll rate in both to make cm's actually worth doing

cm's are solely for kits atm

[obsidian venture]

It’s only close if you’re hitting max raids per hour, and a small minority is able to do that

Very small

[mild saddle]

not necessarily true

CMs are very, very close to solo regs

[sullen island]

a full layout norm takes my gear 30 minutes, cm takes 40-42

[mild saddle]

like single digit percent worse

[sullen island]

they arent close at all

[mild saddle]

they are

pts/hr

they're close

[obsidian venture]

What

Wait what scale lmao

[sullen island]

wait

[mild saddle]

30min regs huh

[obsidian venture]

Yeah wtf

[sullen island]

full layout?

[obsidian venture]

?

[mild saddle]

you mean baby CMs?

[obsidian venture]

Full layout is dogshit pts/hr

LMAO

[mild saddle]

it's not that bad

but it's worse yeah

[sullen island]

100k/hr with no need to scout

[obsidian venture]

When I say regs, I mean 5 room layouts

[sullen island]

beats 105k/hr with needing to scout

[obsidian venture]

Unscaled

[sullen island]

yes

[mild saddle]

CMs are like 130k typically and i know that baby CMs are supposed to be a tad better than that

[sullen island]

cms should be better pts/hr than normals

always

[mild saddle]

i disagree

like massively

[obsidian venture]

Currently it isn’t

Hence unscaled regs bis

[hard axle]

3+12 and megascales are sipping tea

do I think CMs should be better? Absolutely

[mild saddle]

i really don't think they should

[sullen island]

well yeah I prefer 3+12 over all but finding a team is dreadful

[hard axle]

I will seal you in a barrel of petroleum

[sullen island]

unique take

harder content = better rewards is usually how it goes

[mild saddle]

CMs being by far the best would suck

[hard axle]

[sullen island]

cms being literally worse currently sucks

[mild saddle]

it's not just harder, it's also more gear-checked, longer, more intensely punishing

it's all the reasons ToA is ass

[sullen island]

all of which are fantastic reasons as to why it should have better rewards

[mild saddle]

sounds annoying idgi

[sullen island]

the most basic game design in any mmo

[mild saddle]

the 16min version of cox being bis is nice

[sullen island]

harder content = better rewards

[mild saddle]

don't think it would make the game better to force pre-mega people to do CMs

[sullen island]

they can do normals

we aren't saying to remove them from the game

[mild saddle]

why would they?

CMs are so much

better

people will do what's best

[sullen island]

theyre not.

[mild saddle]

they would be

if you buffed them at all like you're saying

[sullen island]

if people want to struggle through it that's on them

[mild saddle]

no, it's on you as the game designer

see everyone doing 380s with hasta for their fang

it's ass but you have to do it

cuz they designed the raid like shit

[sullen island]

the majority of players don't

[mild saddle]

people troll all the time

people spec their dummy in poh to afk bloodvelds longer

[sullen island]

most people don't play max efficiency

and the people who are STILL would benefit from cm's being better

[mild saddle]

but people who don't troll shouldn't be pushed towards unfun gameplay

which buffing CMs would do

[sullen island]

unfun gameplay... like running 2k cox?

[mild saddle]

ok with buffing cox